[Goanet] Re: Our Language Saga, Vowel Wars.
Thank you, Valmiki, have enjoyed your writing too ! I have much regard for Yorrick and irmao, but am not kin. Cardiology for me involves one's that have alas stopped beating - a registry of diseased specimens in jars, of special infection interest. Will try and get you a book on language/scripts, dont tell Cecil ! Eric. Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when have eminent cardiologists turned linguists? With such depth and humour, I've noticed over some time? Or am I mixing Yorrick's bro. for someone else? Whichever Eric, this IS great. Gimme more! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Fr. Jorda and Loyola High School
Thank you, Teo, much appreciate. 'Last link' Rev. Apolinario Pinto was my father's first cousin, and he may be linked to the School's loss of it's accreditation: all 7000 of us will keep that a secret ! He was a Rachol aluno, but had acquired english at some stage, unlike other priests in the family. You have now resolved the Fr. Jorda mystery for me, i did wonder about the dictionary, things did not fit, but fall into place now - Fr. Claude was the likely 'ghost-writer ! Fr. Jorda was Sodality Director at St. Xaviers' in Bombay in the 20's and my father remembered as a kindly soul. Thank you, again.Eric. Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Eric Here follow some more details to add to my earlier posting on Fr. Jorda as the first principal of Loyola High School, Margco. Its earlier name St. Theotonio Union High School was derived from its founder4s patron saint, namely of Patriarch-Archbishop of Goa, D. Theotonio Vieira de Castro. St. Theotonio is my patron saint as well, celebrated in the Portuguese liturgical calendar on 18th Feb. The school was earlier known as Union High School, and was founded by Roque Santana Gracias in 1899. He was a landlord from Loutolim, and was educated in Bombay. He was held in high esteem by his teachers and students. He died in 1923. The school was acquired by the archdiocese in 1932, and was renamed St. Theotonio Union High School. It was affiliated to Bombay University in 1933. The foundation-stone of its present building was laid in 1935. The patriarch D. Jose da Costa Nunes, called the Jesuits to take over the school in 1944. Goa Mission of the Jesuits had then been functioning under Fr. Joco Augusto de Miranda, as its superior. The last non-Jesuit link of that school was Fr. Apolinario da Cruz Pinto. The Goa Jesuits did not have any experienced principal to take up the responsibility for the new venture and obtained Fr. Andrew Jorda S.J. on loan from the Bombay Province of the Jesuits. He was loaned for 1 year, but was requested to stay on for another half year. He was then recalled by the Bombay Province. Goanetters may recall how the Goa Archdiocese invited more recently three Jesuits to start St. Xavier's College (Fr. Edward from Bombay, Fr. Carl from Gujerat, and Fr. Pallitanam from Kerala) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Our Language Saga, Vowel Wars.
A Barcelona Jesuit, Pe. Jorda, published a Konkanni-English in the 40's, perhaps a first for the language. He was transferred to Brazil in the 50's, where he served out his teaching career. I want to believe that he conducted Konkanni classes for children there, and he likely did ! Perhaps Teotonio can tell us more. I dined a few hours ago with a group of Hindu Goans in New Jersey - mostly professionals, inmany different fields: not a word of english was heard in the room, it really was heart warming. I noticed a small change, however - the language has acquired a shade of marathi. One can attrbute it to the lifting of physical barriers with India and the permeation of the dominant culture of 200 million people on the other side of a very porous border. I am acquainted that form of the language, it was spoken by Malvan/Ratnagiri Catholic friends. They are known as 'Bardeshkars' where they live, and they now have a new Goan bishop. I hope the man is up to his Devnagiri, because those expat Goans of many generations live and breathe marathi. They are loyal, but insist on sending their children to the two Anglican marathi language schools in Bombay, The Robert Money, for boys, and St. Columba School for Girls. Mannkikar was missing today: his usual jibe in college was let me here you say conn, it's the waywe mispronounce kohn, the word for who; but it is true about every other word, for that matter, an inevitable consequence of the introduction of an alien script to a language. With Roman, we speak alphabetic, as opposed to the Amhara-Sanskrit syllabic, so it rather pleases me to hear todays catholic young, raised on devnagiri, ask for chhe-kan when they mean chick-in ! 'Hav arr yoo, Pinta' is a daily greeting at work from Elena, a Russian. The Slavs use o when they mean to say a, a mix that gets fatal at a late night Kosovo ethnic ambush: Muslims say Kosovo, it is Kosova to the Serbs. We will never arrive at that, but one can expect to be treated indifferently, at the least, if one insists on being different, and if i sound grotesque to my friend, i fully understand. eric. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
RE: [Goanet] Portuguese Names.
Looking good, Alfred, say hi to them all for me ! I will look into mother's name: it is very popular with the Irish, and if you remember my early post on the subject, Keltic-Kaltik, Egyptian princess Skadda = Skodda=Scotta=Scott, and Kaliduniya=Caledonia. Mauritania is Berber, the language is Sindi-like, the Tunisian version is called Chellah, a link can be espoused. Mary is really Mari, we know it, you will find a town called Mari in Israel, Iran and Paki Punjab, that one becoming Murree to OxfordKiplings in the colonial ICS ! Enjoy your Murree beer, a Parsee owns the company, nice web site. Best, Eric.Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric,My eldest daughter's name is Alva Maura, but nothing oflevantine origin:We concocted it from Alfred and my wife, Eva.But Maura, my mother's name I believe has.Could you please inform?AlfredFrom: eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <GOANET@GOANET.ORG>To: goanet@goanet.orgSubject: [Goanet] Portuguese Names.Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:52:38 -0400I will sound like a broken record to many of you as i harp on Ugarit,again ! That mother of all kingdoms faded into history in 3000 BC, alongwith it's last kings - Ammit and Ammitappu. It covered what would become theeSyria Levant today, but it drew on the Nile Delta for its early peopleing,and furnished Turkey with the Hatti Kadesh. These "Hittites" were the stem-cells of todays Indo-Europeans who stretch from Norway to Naini Tal. Ourinterest is drawn to their southern cousins, the Amizai of the Maghreb. Theworld knows them as Berbers, their face to us today is socccer wiz Zindane ofFrance and Morocco. That their language is spoken in the Siva Oasis of lowerEgypt is very telling, to me. Gama, Alva, AL-Buqueir, Rahm and Qureia areextremely common names from Algeria to Alexandria: we only have to keepabreast of Indica to know that Gama, Alva and Moshi (Moses) are veryHindustani too ! I once informed you that our Lusitanian friends had begun life in Morocco,as Lazzitannis, which leaves Mario quite right in his views - we are easternLizzies ! eric._Do not post admin requests to the list.Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)_Do not post admin requests to the list.Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get Yahoo! Messenger with Voice_ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Portuguese Names.
I will sound like a broken record to many of you as i harp on Ugarit, again ! That mother of all kingdoms faded into history in 3000 BC, along with it's last kings - Ammit and Ammitappu. It covered what would become the eSyria Levant today, but it drew on the Nile Delta for its early peopleing, and furnished Turkey with the Hatti Kadesh. These Hittites were the stem- cells of todays Indo-Europeans who stretch from Norway to Naini Tal. Our interest is drawn to their southern cousins, the Amizai of the Maghreb. The world knows them as Berbers, their face to us today is socccer wiz Zindane of France and Morocco. That their language is spoken in the Siva Oasis of lower Egypt is very telling, to me. Gama, Alva, AL-Buqueir, Rahm and Qureia are extremely common names from Algeria to Alexandria: we only have to keep abreast of Indica to know that Gama, Alva and Moshi (Moses) are very Hindustani too ! I once informed you that our Lusitanian friends had begun life in Morocco, as Lazzitannis, which leaves Mario quite right in his views - we are eastern Lizzies ! eric. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: New Marine Lines.
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Also on New Marine - The Liberty Cinema, Bombay Hospital, St Xaviers Academy, Fatima's College - Nirmala Niketan, Annapoorna Restaurant ( it was women's co-op ), and The Blue Nile Nite Club ! Fatima: dinner there for two, or the Goa branch, soon as i find the street no. for Casal Gracias !eric. Herman D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can u give me more precise info which place u talking about. --- eric pinto wrote: Anyone out there remember the beautiful homes on the stretch from the Mirabelle Hotel to the US Inf. Svc. liabrary -- all replaced by office buildings in the 70's. Netter Gerson DaCunha lived in one of them !! eric. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] New Marine Lines.
Anyone out there remember the beautiful homes on the stretch from the Mirabelle Hotel to the US Inf. Svc. liabrary -- all replaced by office buildings in the 70's. Netter Gerson DaCunha lived in one of them !! eric. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] A Jumbo Tale !!
But first, i wonder if Joe can find me a moon rocket, i can no longer afford my daughter !! Here's a 747 story to swallow: This week, Andhraman Dr Paul made the NY Times twice, he claimed he had arranged for asylum in Ethiopia for a nice fellow named Charles Taylor. A self styled evangelist, he is said to control twenty seats from his state to parliament. His very personal cab in the sky was a gift, made possible by a call to bank in the US South by Sen. Jesse Helms, this after it had dunned the bankrupt Branniff Air. I have seen a picture of the bird, taken in a hangar in Pittsburg: standing on the wing, this is true, Bandra's Brian Mascarenhas, Paul's point man in the field. The Pitts outfit has the sole contract to maintain the forty odd aircraft that belong to a certain 'agency' of my government. Too ill now to return to work, Brian will train his replacement. I have it from trusted source that Peter D'Souza is in the running. Good Luck, Peter, it's Five Star, just 80 super luxury seats !! eric. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Viva Cecil !!
He did it again !! However, as an early investor in Cecil Inc., i get to keep the royalties !! And on a personal note, my soft corner for the name can be traced to an uncle, Cecil Pinto: his early (1955) act of double 'treason' meant splitting abodes - London and Lisbon. His children went 'Porto', but they speak a delightful variety of East London cockney that no longer survives in the India Dock stretch. Thanks for the laughs, Cess, as we switch our allegiance to your beloved Republic of Tequila !!eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] A Goan in Havana.
New Yorker Patricia Pereira, a Newsweek editor, single when her marriage of two decades ended, was on a special assignment to Cuba - interview the island's el Mighty. The story line could not have a more special ending: it's been five years now, and to keep her busy, he found her a very special job, she is now Foreign Ministry hostess to visiting dignitaries, much to the pleasure of Indian diplomats, recounts one i known. For those who may remember, her late father was the KEM surgeon who never failed a med student, when a university examiner in anatomy. eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] In the Victorian Raj, Some Took Their Gin With Integrity - NY Times
In the Victorian Raj, Some Took Their Gin With Integrity - NY Times By WILLIAM GRIMES Published: February 17, 2006 In the palmy days when the sun never set on the British Empire, India was, in Disraeli's famous phrase, the jewel in the crown. Its vast territory, encompassing modern India, Pakistan, Myanmar and Bangladesh, was home to more than 300 million people, speaking hundreds of languages and dialects, divided by caste and religion and separated into a profusion of princely states. What they all had in common, in the Victorian era, was Britain, their imperial ruler. And Britain, in practice, meant the Indian Civil Service, the 800 or so government employees who kept the jewel polished. In The Ruling Caste, David Gilmour takes a close look at this band of emissaries and the administrative machinery that made it possible for so few to rule so many. It is, in a way, a spinoff, or a series of outtakes, from Curzon, his biography of India's most famous viceroy. It is also his opportunity to challenge the picture of the British administrators in India as the boorish, gin-swilling clubmen described by E. M. Forster in A Passage to India. Read the rest at : http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/17/books/17book.html? ex=1141189200en=1e403f33c682d3edei=5070emc=eta1
[Goanet] Fwd: NYTimes.com: In the Victorian Raj, Some Took Their Gin With Integrity
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[Goanet] A PLANT NURSERY IN FLORIDA.
TOPTROPICALS.COM Click on fruit trees for interesting pictures of mango trees and the fruit. eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] NY Times: Curry, Unhurried
Curry, Unhurried By LESLIE LAND Published: January 19, 2006 Q. I have a young curry leaf tree that I plan to move outdoors in summer and back indoors in fall. Is there a way to keep it small so I don't have to keep giving it larger pots, making it too big to move? A. In this case, good care and good food go hand and hand. Fresh leaves from the curry leaf tree, Murraya koenigii, impart a warm, citrusy flavor to many classic Indian stews. And pruning your plant to keep its size in bounds should provide a good supply. If your main purpose is culinary, a multistemmed bush is best. Encourage branching by clipping off the top when the plant is about 30 inches tall. Then keep cutting back all branches each time they grow long enough to spare a couple of leaves. If spice harvest is incidental, prune to a single trunk. Let the lead shoot grow four or five feet, then clip the tip. Starting at ground level, gradually remove lower branches until you have a pleasing tree shape. After that, prune sparingly. It takes several months for the fragrant white flowers to develop at the branch tips. In the tropics, curry leaf trees grow robustly year round. As houseplants, they slow way down in winter. During the slow season, allow the soil to dry out two or three inches down before watering and do not feed. In summer, allow a bit more water. Feed monthly with a balanced fertilizer, following label directions. Murraya roots grow slowly and do not mind crowding. They would rather be dry than soggy, so repot only as size demands. A five-foot tree or a three-foot bush should be happy in a three-gallon container, which is small enough for most people to move without undue strain. Sources include Pacific Tropical Gardens, (808) 982-8338 or pctgardens.com, and (soon) Logee's, (888) 330-8038 or logees.com. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/19/garden/19qna.html
[Goanet] NYTimes.com: Milky Way and Neighbor Seen to Merge
-- | Wishing all Goanetters | | a Prosperous | | and | | Happy New Year - 2006 | |Goanet - http://www.goanet.org | -- This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SCIENCE / SPACE COSMOS | January 10, 2006 Milky Way and Neighbor Seen to Merge By WARREN E. LEARY A galaxy appears to be merging with the Milky Way, bringing hundreds of thousands of stars into our home galaxy that no one has noticed until now. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/10/science/space/10galaxy.html?emc=eta1 -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] NYTimes.com: From Bacteria to Us: What Went Right When Humans Started to Evolve?
-- | Wishing all Goanetters | | a Prosperous | | and | | Happy New Year - 2006 | |Goanet - http://www.goanet.org | -- This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SCIENCE | January 3, 2006 From Bacteria to Us: What Went Right When Humans Started to Evolve? By CARL ZIMMER A new research paper argues that eukaryotes' complexity may have gotten started by chance. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/03/science/03zimm.html?emc=eta1 -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] Victor Menezes, Retiree !!
-- | Wishing all Goanetters | | a Prosperous | | and | | Happy New Year - 2006 | |Goanet - http://www.goanet.org | -- Same Park Avenue, Manhattan office suite of 20 years, same lovely secretary of ten, chairs same Emerging Market Committee, but new winter digs - Palm Springs !! eric, also employed, bronx n.y. __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] Cheapest fares London - Goa and back
-- | Wishing all Goanetters | | a Prosperous | | and | | Happy New Year - 2006 | |Goanet - http://www.goanet.org | -- Hi Goanetters, It has been a pleasure to read what you all posted in 2005. I particularly remembered some very cheap airfares from London to Goa and back and I was recently telling my cousin who had come down that she could spend something like 100 Pounds for a one way trip , it seemed like something I had read in these columns. Could some Goanetter please enlighten me ? Wishing all A Happy New Year 2006. Eric Pinto -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] Goans Plot In New Jersey.
-- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | -- Over feni in a dimly lit cellar, with Agnelo Gomes in the chair, six former and present GOA Presidents worked on a plan to send Cuncolcar Joe Vaz to the US Congress, it's House of Reprsentatives. Joe is now Mayor of the city of Perth Amboy. The real goal is Joe for Defence, after Rumsfeld, so get set for streaks of red, white and blue from the USS Ronald Reagan over Panjim. Our hosts were Brian and Joyce Monteiro, Mangaloreman Brian's rendition of our mandos always leaves us teary eyed. Agnelo is still in his prime, and is known to deliver !!eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2005 Christmas Package - Flowers, Bubbles and Layers of Love. http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ ---
[Goanet] Humane Slaughter.
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- A move to require chickens to be gassed is being discussed in the US. I see little reason to exclude cattle and hogs from the measure. It would involve the use of halothane, the substance that replaced ether as a human anesthetic. A New York Managalorian tells me they dispatch pigs in a very happy state: a large pot of rice gruel that was allowed to ferment overnight was fed to the hapless thing, before a soft blow to the skull felled it. We are more fortunate, we have toddy, heck, i would even treat Peggy to Kingfisher beer ! It is sad, the methods used now are cruel and primitive. eric. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] JCA - Thank you , Theo.
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- For the kind and moving obituary: can i send you to the funeral ( US 718 767 3411 ). A little fact here about his father, Prof. Pedro Correia Afonso and Father John : both played a role in the India independence movement in Bombay, he as a student at the college in Bombay. They addressed meetings that were banned and risked their carreers. The professor was a stirring orator who wrote convincingly, both for the Church, and the popular Press. One cannot also leave out the contribution to the community and Bombay civic life of the extended Heredia clan. Fr. John's mother was the late Jimmy Heredia's sister, perhaps Irene would set modesty aside and and do a little piece for our benefit, in a tribute to family Patriarch Jose Heredia. RIP. Eric. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Re: amazing Goa corrections 2
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Hello Jose, I think they favour 'de Siqueira', last week his granddaughter Aisha, her mother Maureen and i ate dinner in Kannatakat, also present with us - Barbara McGrath, a great granddaughter of V.Paul D'Souza ( Sole Stockist of Dynamite !! ). Aisha made the Wall Street Journal this year, named a Morgan Stanley Managing Director. eric. --- jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | | | | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | | | | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- From: Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Only a minor correction to the above: The name of the Goan pioneer of Christian art ... is not Agnelo da Fonseca but Angelo da Fonseca (ANGelo, not AGNelo). and this one from me: re: Who led the United Goans Party during the historic Opinion Poll of 1967? Dr Jace Sequeira (Panjim) It must be a typo .. Jack not Jace i.e. Dr Jack Sequeira _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Thank you, George.
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Phil-Anthros, love of mankind, spend more time with my pets, actually, but will accept. I have my own heroes: the back-village share cropper who offered me a snack that was probably her next meal, a father who let his sons splurge but never spent on a vacation, the German Jesuits who arrived in 1860 in Bombay and Poona to build school houses, and knew they would never return. Vatican wealth, think again, most of it inner city Boston-Brooklyn-Baltimore Irish and Italian sweat, a dollar a day when you found the work, powered by banana sadwiches. They gave till it hurt, i was housed and fed for free, and paid, my first three years in the country: after they flew me in !! eric. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Agnelo Gomes, Good Buddy !!
I admit to not meeting one more genial than him, and generous to the core, besides. I am baffled by the other side he choses to display, but have decided that he entitled to his eccentricity. I chose to offer a friends counsel, i hope he accets it. India chose a direct solution to the political murders in the Punjab: some of the Canada based patriots have been missing for two decades now. Those who were extradited were treated to one meal and two daily whippings in a Bihar hell- hole. I continue to believe that there is more that binds us than cleaves, and feni has worked as an edible glue for Agnelo and me in the past. We have one more thing in common: both of us lost Clair !eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Visa Woes
I believe it is our Embassy in Germany. The reason is probable mischief on the part of the ex-Lisbon group who reside there. India knows the Khalistans, bred and brewed in the West, and are not likely to look the other way. A few a-holes are now responsible for what will affect us all. Think of this irony, soon after the jackass 'missile' post from the US, their F-18's shower Goa with rockets, in a joint defense exercise with our navy !! eric. --- Gulf International Promotions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone shed light on what this is all about? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Willie de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: [Goanet] Visa Woes Dear Dr. de Souza, I must have written at least four emails to you and they remain all unanswered but I'm sure they are all in your kind hands and awaiting your very best attention. While I know how busy and overloaded you must be with duties as Dy.Chief Minister, I cannot help but attempt just one more try before giving up completely in disturbing you, for I think that this is the only golden opportunity for us to find out what this whole matter about this visa business is and why I'm put to such difficulties to visit my homeland Goa. Like you said, I'm the son of the soil and such things should never happen to a Goan, more so, as I said so many times before, I am a peaceful citizen and have never committed a crime nor belonged to any extremist or anti-indian organisation. Hope that you will look into the matter to bring the whole thing to light, once and for all. With kind regards, I remain, Yours respectfully, Rodolfo de Sousa __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Boosting cashew production
This is something our Agriculture Minister and anyone else interested in Goa's development , must read and follow up.Tourism is a notoriously fickle industry. Instead if we were to concentrate more on value addition to our agriculture produce, the economy and people would benefit tremendously . Cocum juice, if marketed wisely, has tremendous scope . Goa's agricultural base has eroded because we have taken to the service sector where returns are higher and our hands are not soiled.Our fields rmain fallow and eyed by real estate lobbies. Perhaps we should opt for mechanisation where a machine could till, sow and also reap. I know the land holdings are small, but if the Agriculture Dept could hire out such a machine , I am sure it would boost our agricultural produce. What say, Miguel ? Eric Pinto
[Goanet] 'Lawless IT' only in Goa ?
When the Left CM Bhattarachaya went Far East he allegedly promised indusrty leaders there much more than what Rane is promising our IT companies here. And the Left strike paralysed the poor much more than the rich on 29th September. A poor, sick child headed for Bambolim hospital in a public transport bus could not leave the bus stand until after 10.45 AM.During the Ramponkar morchas of the eighties , their leaders like Matanhy, Christopher Fonseca (now a left leader ) and Braz Faleiro ensured that traffic , and the movement of people was never paralysed .It would do us all a lot of good if we wre more aware of what West Bengal's CM says and does to attract foreign investment. Would it make the reds turn redder or whiter ?
Re: [Goanet] Re; D D Kosambi
Upsaala - the very original Teutonic heaven, then the original University town in Sweden: Upsala Catholic University of the Diocese of Newark, New Jersey, actually closed its doors fifteen years ago. It had served us well, attracting priests from India who arrived there for grduate studies. eric. --- Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For anyone interested in D D Kosambi, a great Goan savant, the following link has useful information: http://www.kamat.com/kalranga/itihas/kosambi.htm Meera Kosambi, is his descendant and till recently was Director of Women's Study Center of SNDT Women's University in Mumbai. She studied at Upsala and specialized in urban history, with studies dedicated to Pune. Teotonio R. de Souza __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Agnelo, Tom -- and Goa.
Agnelo loves people, i know, i have experienced his largesse ! He and Maria have raised six lovely American children, all very accomplished. Agnelo, they would love to edit your prose, you only have to ask ! Tom belongs to the very first group to graduate from the very first College of Engineering built by Nehru in Goa. I would imagine that Agnelo got the benefit of the same facility to become an engineer, or perhaps another in Nehru's India. I paid Nehru ten dollars a year for a graduate school education, it is now 65,000 dollars a year in the United States. Pay back to that country can in no way include lethal missiles. Agnelo, the old English 1911 sedition laws kept Nehru in prison for 15 years. They are still in effect and have been upheld by our courts. The US is a military ally, not so hush-hush either The FBI would pick you up in a blink - Hemant had the same idea, he got 45 years in Federal Penitencia in your state - New Jersey, this week. He is 65, he will be cremated in prison, fueled by a rocket he wanted to sell Al Quaeda. We Goans are a very quaido conscious people, something our parents never stopped reminding us. The word's the same, propriety, pity that Arab got it so wrong from his mother. eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Any Goan in Cape Town?
20,000 Ratnagiri muslims, fifth generation expats in the Cape, told the 1990 census they spoke konkani. I am willing to bet they have little use for the Roman, Africaanar, Governor Durbao (Durban !!), or any other script that so alters and demeans an historical tongue. eric. --- Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Wilson Coelho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:14 AM Goans are indeed wide spread in the Globe. Any Goanetter based in (or who knows any Goan working/ based in) Cape Town, South Africa? Need a little info from that end. Would be obliged to have any contacts. VF __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Dabolim versus Mopa controversy
There is one way to check out whether the proposed Mopa airport will benefit Goa and Goans and that is through a cost- benefit analysis taking all costs into account including environmental costs .The 1000 crores could be better spent on rejuvenating our flagging agricultural base by importing labour saving agricultural machinery and training local boys to use them on hire basis to till, seed and crop the land. The prime cause of agricultural decline in Goa is the high cost of imported labour (mostly not available ) and our reluctance to do manual work. So investment in mechanisation should be a good idea. Eric Pinto
[Goanet] Dabolim versus Mopa controversy
There is one way to check out whether the proposed Mopa airport will benefit Goa and Goans and that is through a cost- benefit analysis taking all costs into account including environmental costs .The 1000 crores could be better spent on rejuvenating our flagging agricultural base by importing labour saving agricultural machinery and training local boys to use them on hire basis to till, seed and crop the land. The prime cause of agricultural decline in Goa is the high cost of imported labour (mostly not available ) and our reluctance to do manual work. So investment in mechanisation should be a good idea. Eric Pinto
[Goanet]Of Shrimp, and a Lobster 'Tale' .
Apologies in place for the post - it was meant for family. In the late 60's, we dissected lobster tops in college, the extra lab fee for each of them was half a rupee. I took home a bag of intact tails, only to hear my mother announce they were not kosher enough for her kitchen ! Our live in help was Poona Christian, the person who cleaned was Bombay Hindu - both women partied that evening. Five years later, i discovered that lobster was the most expensive way to dine in America - it still is ! eric. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]Dinesh D'Sousa -- Assagao !!
Socolvaddo !! Raised in family owned home, Dr. Peter Dias Road, St. Andrews - Bandra, steps from the home of Victor Goveia Pinto, across the street from netter/Sangolda social worker Edwin Pinto. His father Francis proudly displayed the family picture with big Ron, in the Oval Office. eric. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Goanet]Re: Re: Re: britain and immigrants
Sadly, very sadly, Freds' is a voice in the wilderness. It helps if one learns to laugh at one's self, i hear that frequently in the US, and they do follow that advise a great deal. eric. --- Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rene Barreto wrote: Mr. Nair , I believe You are TRYING to ridicule SOME our Goans , please stop doing that. Please stop being too smart. I am not too sure if other Goans feel the same or are they too scared to say so. Ridicule? In what sense? There are racist Goans too, the kind who hate people on the basis of place-of-birth, origin or religious background. Our skin colour may not be white/pink, but that doesn't stop us from feeling superior to others. This holds true of almost every society, but it was acutely felt in Goa in the 'eighties onwards. I think RKN is pointing to this reality. Unlike British society, which has its strong component of criticism-from-within, we in Goa (and the rest of India, probably) are very thin-skinned and averse to criticism. So, while the best studies of British imperialism come from the UK itself, we in Goa, on the contrary, are unwilling to look critically at our own society, warts and all. While we need to improve our self-image to become more positive about ourselves, we also need to be more open to criticism. Both goals are not mutually exclusive. FN __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]Deek !!
You broke the code, Alfredo, it is to be called Operation Sap: Mervyn was going to supply the Cuban rum, not any cheap Brazilian cane Caxaca as substitute, but sugar in any form will ferment, and Cecil's sap would run freely - as for sowing his oats in those bad Dakota lands --- eric. --- Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]Deek !! Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Sap, in both Konkanni and the Mohawk languages ! The maple tree, for the syrup, could probably be grown in Kashmir. eric. Eric dear, Pls rush a couple of sapplings to Cecil, before he leaves on on his dream-tour sponsored by you. More than one for facilitated polination. And, if he initially irrigates them with what is left of his Johny Walker a headier syrup might flush forth. AT Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]Deek !!
Sap, in both Konkanni and the Mohawk languages ! The maple tree, for the syrup, could probably be grown in Kashmir. eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]A call for ACTION to the leader of World Goa Day, Rene Barretto
Looking to trade ? make the grade ! --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/07/05, eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Divisive !! Try Canyon - none of the women in my life - my grandmother, my mother , my aunts, would let you, or Gabe, for that matter, past the front door, even as the men, certainly my dad, would solicit your company and that of Brahmin killjoys, in a taverna: more questions, Gabe ? eric. RESPONSE: Ayeee caramba! I was so looking forward to getting past your front door, thanks for warning me of the formidable women in your life! What about the wife? :-) Cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]A call for ACTION to the leader of World Goa Day, Rene Barretto
Divisive !! Try Canyon - none of the women in my life - my grandmother, my mother , my aunts, would let you, or Gabe, for that matter, past the front door, even as the men, certainly my dad, would solicit your company and that of Brahmin killjoys, in a taverna: more questions, Gabe ? eric. --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rene, Thanks for your courteous reply and question to me. What I want you to do for us many Goans in Goa and world wide is to take an important lead and simply say that, all Catholic Goans ought to renounce caste in its entirety as it is a divisive element within the community. Such a statement from you would be significant in promoting community solidarity, and hopefully, have some impact on, and after World Goa Day of which you are, thankfully, the founder and effective leader. Cornel - Original Message - From: rene barreto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet]My experience with your organization Hi Cornel , Thank you for your email , appreciate it very much. I am not too sure what it is that you want us to do for you , but whatever it is , please feel free to share your thoughts with us - I am sure you will get all the support we - the organizers of WORLD GOA DAY - world wide can give rene __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]RE: Graphic details
Pickled Prose !! He must treat friends to great tripe - chitterlings here in the US of A.eric. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Radhakrishnan, Wow! Are you serious? Carlos -Original Message- From: Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:26:51 +0530 Subject: [Goanet]RE: Graphic details (Veronica Fernandes: Local Pressmen came fully prepared and the next day Arab Times, the local daily brought in its front page as headline, photographic review of the funeral, my photo appeared at the very strategic place holding Francis Sister who was screaming and trying to rush to the coffin to open it in defiance of the instruction but I was holding her very tightly with the help of others too because inspite of my top physical fitness that time since I was still a top foot-baller in Kuwait amongst the Indians, I was totally subdued by the sudden mighty physical power of Francis sister) Wow! Great narrative! -- RKN _ Job hunting? Get the right one! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/timesjobs/hotmail_TOL.htm Log on to www.timesjobs.com TODAY Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Goanet]Wallflowers at a party
She 'Be' real, Cecil, Viv is from Manhattan's 'Clinton' neighbourhood, and Len Bernstein's role model for Maria in 'West Side Story': and by the way, just as lovely as Rita Moreno !! --- Viviana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Cecil, you're beginning to scare me. Viviana-GHE/RE/GHO Cecil Pinto wrote: ..I am not sure if you actually exist or are a fake ID created by the Admin Team to get some message across to us regular posters. It happens. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Bombay - Bremen Bright Lights !
Yes Mario, that i was, Bremen's back bay, but only because our Tom cat was out prowling, past Angeles time, and grandmother was firm on that rule !! Care to remember our happy triangle in Bombay - would you believe it was created by a Goan woman: Dr. Myrtle Noronha, a memmber of the City Council, drafted the law that resticted our geishas to the Foras road district. Her son did Leslie, a physician too, did theatre reviews for the Examiner. Poor Lord Foras, former Bombay governor ,his ashes have spun out to another galaxy, not to mention Lord Falkland and Sir Winny Bellassis, the other two namesakes of the red roads that confined the happy moments. Remember the tram line to Mazagon - what are those numbers in the windows, mummy, this little boy never failed to ask, its the , not sure if i was ever satisfied with the explanation !! Forty years later, i was being treated to free drinks in happy houses in Manhattan - one of my Health Deapartment assignments had me check on them. eric. Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Nocturnal Barks - Vixen Melody !
It would scare us, children then, but i miss the long, almost mournful call of the fox we heard from distant hills when growing up in Assagao. Grandmother did not care for the midnight raids on her chicken coop, but then she did not of the Croydon solution - Annie Lobo, 70, does a twenty minute bus ride every week, in Kent, to shop for cheaper beef for her backyard wards. I hope for the sake of sanity, and so Cecil and i can slumber in peace, that the bark from Kuwait loses its bite and perhaps even celebrates life as Annie does in her adopted home so far from our shores.eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Trustworthy surnames
Stop, Cecil, not even in jest, we should not pick on dear Veronica over pickled english - his is the real thing - Frisian, the Dutch coastal dialect that floated over the Channel to Britain. Near identical to english, its spoken by a quarter of a million people: the link to Veronica - he was raised in Goa on Frisian Girl condensed milk, shipped in during his 'decades of nostalgia'. For those who remember St.Pauli Girl beer - it is the name of Bremen's red light district! eric. --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A. Veronica Fernandes wrote: The Bhembros, the Mauzos, the Kelekars, the Shivdases and others are not to be trusted anymore. This is my firm opinion. -- Dear Veronica, 1) Should we stop trusting all people with these surnames? 2) Can you provide us with a list of surnames that identify trustworthy people? 3) Is it a coincidence that the surnames you mention are also the surnames of stalwarts of the Konkani movement? 4) Your attacks on the English language are well appreciated. But surely there must be some better way of advancing the Konkani cause rather than just by attacking English the way you do in your writings. Cheers! Cecil __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: Freedom Fighters.
The issue here is hate-speech, both Veronica and 'Bernardo' have vaulted that line. There are Christian states that would have stripped them of their citizenship, and i suspect Mr. Macao is not one to start with: to borrow from him - innit !! Veronica can worship in an Indian temple, he may not be present at 'Lebanese' Mass in a Kuwait church. Hitler was preceeded and backed by a vanguard of Goebbels, Doctor Mengellas and Speers. It is a tragedy that we are compelled to offer our fascists a forum they simply do not deserve.eric. --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- A. Veronica Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let it be known to everyone and to everywhere in the Goan World that for the good cause of Goa only the Christians worked and fought hard though the benefits of their hard work and hard fought battles were enjoyed by those who were watching from distance silently. The liberty to post on Goanet should not be treated as a license to post bigoted fiction based on religious chauvinism. Apologies to non-Christian members of this forum who had to read the post above. Regards, George __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]New York Goans.
Picnicked at a nice beach park last sunday around a large table topped with pulao and sorpotel and Indian treats and feni. There were guitars and old songs and a even a few games. They also elected a new Committee for the year: Peter D'Souza D.Phil. was proposed for President by Ramesh Mehta and Michelle Higgins, and was duly elected, unopposed. Peter's wife, Loretta will continue treating us to Bandra East- Indian vindaloo, and Michelle will sing cousin Tony Brent's songs. Paul Coutto will keep an eye on funds, and keep up supplies of free bebidas - Goan and Scottish. Tillie Udipi will stay on as legal advisor, and Nonna Pantaky is permanent catering consultant. Cabby and Molly will enforce. For those who remember, Peter's dad supplied three generations of music makers with sheet music at his Marine Lines store. He was hockey captain, St Xaviers School class of '62, and remembers Hillary, George Waites, Luis Ramos - all Toronto, Dinky Fialho - IAF, the late Captain Clement Coutto, Steve Pinto, and Brige Vora - IAS, who sadly passed away in Delhi last week.eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]What if Zubin's heart is in Goa?
The 'Chinese' in Merle Oberon was probably 'Assamese'
! Our North-East was more productive of Eurasians
than any other region of India - Calcutta was
Britain's first India capital, and Shillong's belles
made for a steamy pick of aphrodisia petals and Lipton
plantation camellia leaves: okay, Cecil, never mind,
we are going to stick to watermelon ! eric.
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rahul,
Your post reminds me of those expat Indians who
complain that they will never be accepted in their
country of choice, no matter how long they live
there.
Now, you have turned that illogic on it's head by
claiming that No, indeed, 'aapro' Zubin would not
qualify as being a Goan, not even if he owned a
sumptuous mansion in Arpora.
Arpora? Maybe I'm missing something, but I digress.
The last time I visited Goa a few short months ago,
I
couldn't help but notice the diversity of those who
consider themselves Goans, no matter where their
ancestors came from in India. Several speak fluetn
Konkani. Isn't this part of Gandhiji's dream, that
we
are all one.
No, I think we should consider Zubin a Goenkar but
only if he chooses to place his heart there.
--- Rahul Goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To return to the thread about Humperdinck and the
Indian claim (no, indeed, 'aapro' Zubin would not
qualify as being a Goenkar, not even if he owned a
sumptuous mansion in Arpora). Two names from the
talkies are what came to mind - Vivian Leigh and
Merle Oberon. Leigh ('Gone With The Wind' and 'A
Streetcar Named Desire') was certainly born in
India, though whether she was Anglo-Indian or
British Indian is unclear to me. In an earlier
generation was Oberon. She was Anglo-Indian,
claimed
to be from Tasmania, was said to have a family
there
that was part Chinese, and remained mysterious and
beautiful to the end.
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Re: [Goanet]Of Humperdinck, 'Indians' and Hollywood
Leigh was probably Anglo-Indian, as in let's say,
Anglo-Argentinian - there are 100,000 of them in
Argentina, full blooded Anglos who were born there.
Oberon was Eurasian: her mother could not pass for
white, so she told her friends she was her maid, the
only way to survive in 1950 America. Married to the
richest man in Mexico, she gave Prince Phillip the
choice of either leaving the airport in her Cadillac
and spending the night with her, or in the
Ambassador's Rolls, as demanded by protocol - and
spending the night with that prig ! I read this in
the New Yorker.eric.
--- Rahul Goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To return to the thread about Humperdinck and the
Indian claim (no, indeed, 'aapro' Zubin would not
qualify as being a Goenkar, not even if he owned a
sumptuous mansion in Arpora). Two names from the
talkies are what came to mind - Vivian Leigh and
Merle Oberon. Leigh ('Gone With The Wind' and 'A
Streetcar Named Desire') was certainly born in
India, though whether she was Anglo-Indian or
British Indian is unclear to me. In an earlier
generation was Oberon. She was Anglo-Indian, claimed
to be from Tasmania, was said to have a family there
that was part Chinese, and remained mysterious and
beautiful to the end.
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[Goanet]Masons today.
Always rich, usually older men, into a little bit of fun, to which they are entitled, and a much bigger bit of charity - very quietly, yes, they have come a long way over a thousand years: from a guild of craftsmen, to hired assassins, to Prime Ministers - socialist Attlee was the first 'taverner' to circumvent the Club's hold on privelege. Gwen and i should be lucky to be invited to membership! The Lodges in Bombay, Delhi, Calcutta and Madras are very impressive structures: Our Colonial Governors and the business elite managed their fiefs from around those bar rails, my dad often railed !eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Is Zubin Mehta really a Goan?
Zubin then went on to study at St.Xaviers College in Bombay, where he dropped out after the first year. His dad's goal for him was med-school, his public excuse was he disdained dissecting frogs, but it is known that he clashed with a Spanish Jesuit on staff, and has since turned down invitations to visit and offers of citations. St. Marys has more humble origins: an orphanage for the children of Irish sodiers. Mrs. Nesbitt(Nesbitt Road! ), who paid for the structures, did not want them raised in the Anglican Church. eric. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, Most boys of the early 50`s who attended the Jesuit school St Mary`s (Mazagaon) in Mumbai definitely know him as an alumni of that school and a member of the Parsi community.. After his music career shot him to conductorships in Europe ..he became conductor of the famed Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra. Any Parsee will soon disabuse you fot hat idea that he`s a goan While many Parsees like other wealthy Punjabis or Sindhis may have bought property in the othe form of old goan ancestral homes and even classy new bungalows on the mandovi or other villagesi`m sure that recent acquisition of real-estate in any village qualifies you to be called a true Goan twiga. Quoting Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Carlos, At the risk of starting a new urban legend, I have heard that Zubin Mehta is already a bhatkar from Sangolda (just kidding, folks). --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, I heard Zubin Mehta also wants to be a Goan. What qualifications are reqd to be a Goan? Carlos -Original Message- From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Goanet]Engelbert Humperdinck - where is Santosh when we need him Santosh, Would you please confirm or debunk these urban legends, please, before they get out of hand. Now Englebert who does not even acknowledge he is an Indian, as far as I know, and used to be an Anglo-Indian from Chennai, has become a Goan from Cuncolim. Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Engelbert Humperdinck...
Hello Alfred, Englebert - now 63, born Cecil Darcy i think, aunt a nun who survives in Goa; the Wall Street Journal placed him at 600 million dollars, all i hear is shud up when i sing in the shower ! eric. --- Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told, on good authority, that Engelbert Humperdinck, unlike Cliff Richard, Tony Brent, (who are also India-born, Bombay and Hubli resp.) also is an ethnic Goan, AVC, to the best of my belief, Cuncolim. Perhaps one Goan parent. Would be interesting if it could be ascertained. I wanted to ask him personally, during his tour of Sweden, last year, but had to be out of the country just then. Alfred From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Engelbert Humperdinck... Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:37:43 +0100 On 14/06/05, Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the other Indian-born star to make it big in the West was the late Freddy Mercury (who was originally a Parsi named Balsara). FN, Freddy Mercury was born in Zanzibar. Mervyn3.0 RESPONSE: Cliff Richard, who was Harry Webb was born in India too and is happy with his Indian roots! _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]NYTimes.com: Sage Advice in Archaeology: Think Like a Neanderthal
Early evidence, for Cornell !! About three years ago, Dr. Ana Pinto, an archaeologist at Arizona State University, was driving past a natural outcropping in northwest Spain and - screech! - she put the brake to her car. She had just spotted a limestone cave that she sensed might have once been settled by prehistoric humans. For the next six months, she excavated the cave by hand, pushing through animal waste, bones, mud and human artifacts. By the time she had dug some nine feet deep, she knew she had hit the archaeological jackpot. This cave at Sopeña is almost unique because it has signs of continuous hominid habitation for at least 60,000 years, she said. This is an incredibly rare find. Dr. Pinto, 45, who was born in Spain, came to New York City recently to receive an award from Wings WorldQuest, a foundation supporting women who make careers as explorers and scientists. For people in her field, she said, it often pays to think like a Neanderthal. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/07/science/07conv.html?
[Goanet]NYTimes.com: Jon Idígoras, 69, a Founder of the Herri Batasuna Basque Party, Is Dead
Hari - Hare - Hurree - Herri !! MADRID, June 5 - Jon Idígoras, a founder of the Basque separatist party that is considered the political arm of the militant group ETA, died Friday at the Vicente San Sebastián de Deusto Clinic in Bilbao, Spain. He was 69, and lived in nearby Amorebieta. The cause was complications from a respiratory illness, said Juan Petrikorena, a spokesman for the party. Mr. Idígoras began his political career in the underground workers groups that agitated against the authoritarian rule of Gen. Francisco Franco, who governed Spain from 1939 until his death in 1975. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/06/obituaries/06idigoras.html
Re: [Goanet]A certain Dr Willy!
I feel your pain, don't get me wrong, but this whole thing is a drag, you do make sense most of the times, but how far does this near Quixotic quest for vindication go, or is it really flagellation: i want to believe otherwise. eric. --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jose, I note that you passionately extolled the virtues of Dr. Willy de Souza as a surgeon and as your former academic/professional teacher. You seemed utterly intrigued and disappointed that such a 'learned' man could give up a lucrative medical professional career in the USA for engagement in political life in Goa. However, I recall a Goanet post indicating that the said Dr Willy believed strongly in caste, even though also professing to be a staunch Catholic and acting as an adviser to the Catholic Church at a recent Bishops' Conference. Therefore, the answer to your query is quite simple to my very humble logic. Had he gone abroad, the man would not have been able to swirl within the insidiousness of caste practice which is so plentifully available in Goa. Now combine this with caste ridden politics in Goa, about which so much has appeared on Goanet, as well as, the accommodation of caste by the Catholic Church in Goa, and surely, you have the perfect heady triple mixture of caste, Goan politics, and Catholicism. Surely, the man simply could not be, utterly, more at home in Goa than anywhere else! Also, as an aside, do remember Margaret Thatcher's advisory political 'dictum' that everybody needs a willy sometime! Cornel DaCosta, London, UK. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]British Indians.
That we wuz - until Enoch Powell cried foul !! P and O graciously ferried a million and a half Punjabies to the mother country until 1965 or so, when the Midlands raised Cain and went to war with Harold Wilson. The Caledonia, Circassia and Cilicia sailed out of Bombay's Mole Station every three weeks, to make the 20 day run to Southampton: it was steerage, for all of 600 rupees, and for most of our farm folk, an introduction to faucets, showers and flush commodes. It all came to an end when the '67 Sinai war shut the Suez Canal. Thank you, British India Steam Navigation Company - that was the P/O Asia operation. eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: [Goanet]Re: For Cecil, Holiday from Hedonland
Thank you, George, yes we all owe him one, but i dont mind if it's only on me this time around, i do however share your misgivings about those hills ! Eric. --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Cecil's Kashmir holiday request was in jest (is it safe to travel there now)? I know Eric is very serious in his offer. However, cybergoans have greatly benefitted from Cecil's humour and it is only fitting we collectively thank him. We should share in the cost of Cecil's holiday to a place of his choosing in India. Cecil, tell us the total cost of a family holiday and I will chip in. I am sure others will contribute too not because Cecil is in need (I have no idea of his personal finances and he could very well afford to send us on holidays), but because it is important Goans acknowledge the joy a fellow Goan has provided through his humourous postings. I also wish to add that offline he has been very helpful and generous with his time. Over to you Cecil... Regards, George P.S. We should also thank Dominic in some way for his 'nostalgia' postings. Perhaps, in his case, we should pledge to buy a few copies of his book when it comes out. --- eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because of my LARGE returns from an investment in a certain late evening business in Nevada, i will send Cecil and family to Kashmir before the rains - unless Mervyn beats my offer before sunset !! eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]For Cecil, Holiday from Hedonland.
Because of my LARGE returns from an investment in a certain late evening business in Nevada, i will send Cecil and family to Kashmir before the rains - unless Mervyn beats my offer before sunset !!eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Ismael Merchant Dies - Correction
Thank you Gabriel, Jennifer would settle for a little lane named for her in Baga, and if few others remember, at least the kites she fed mackerel in the mornings will; and here's hoping for a College corridor for Ismail, his cheque was for two and a half thousand dollars. Maciera ! shame on you !! Ok, Ok, here's an offer named for you - any visiting padre, or pandit, gets a free bottle in New York, sign up here !! eric. --- Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should have read as It was Jennifer that Sashi Kapoor got married to, I think, as Felicity Kendall was still in London in the 1980s acting in many a TV role ... Er.. the Macieira got the better of me ;-)) Gabriel. P.S. In case an early email of mine relating to GP/JC discussion did not reach goanet, the Kendalls came to Goa in the early 60s putting up excerpts from Shakespeare at Don Bosco's old refectory (The Shed), a place where many a free film was shown on Sunday evenings. This was in the days before the new buildings came up... --- Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, It was Jennifer that Sashi Kapoor got married to, I think, as Jennifer Kendall was still in London in the 1980s acting in many a TV role ... Cheers, Gabriel. --- eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 68, in London. His Shakespearwalla brought the revered Kendalls to India, introduced Sashi Kapoor to his beloved Felicity and made them all Goa lovers and residents. He told us of a big debt to St. Xavier's College in Bombay, wrote a large in New York to prove it. RIP.eric. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]NYTimes.com: Ismail Merchant, Producer of Sumptuous and Literate Films, Dies at 68
By WARREN HOGE Published: May 26, 2005 Ismail Merchant, whose filmmaking collaboration with James Ivory created a genre of films with visually sumptuous settings that told literate tales of individuals trying to adapt to shifting societal values, died yesterday in a London hospital. He was 68. Mr. Merchant's New York office said that the cause was undetermined, but that he had had surgery for abdominal ulcers on Tuesday. The Indian-born Mr. Merchant's carnival-barker personality contrasted dramatically with the artist's reserve of the Oregon-reared Mr. Ivory, but as producer and director respectively they achieved a personal and professional partnership that endured 44 years and produced award-winning films including A Room With a View, Howards End and The Remains of the Day. Impulsive, scheming and devoted to the deal in pushing his influence behind the scenes, Mr. Merchant was so unfailingly ingratiating up front that the actor Simon Callow once said the phrase to curry favor was invented for Mr. Merchant. At his death, he and Mr. Ivory were in London shooting The White Countess, from a script by Kazuo Ishiguro, starring Ralph Fiennes, Natasha Richardson, and Lynn and Vanessa Redgrave. Among the other notable films he produced were Shakespeare Wallah, The Europeans, Quartet, Heat and Dust, Mr. and Mrs. Bridge, Jefferson in Paris and The Golden Bowl. A Merchant-Ivory film set was always something of a family affair, with Mr. Merchant a more frequent visitor than producers generally are and the same crew members returning for service over decades. Once on the scene, Mr. Merchant was just as likely to be fetching tea for a company member or making one of his celebrated curries for the cast as pitching a fit about cost overruns or schedule snafus. Mr. Merchant traveled frequently between Europe and an apartment on the East Side of Manhattan, but he and Mr. Ivory centered their life in a 14-room manor house in Claverack, N.Y., built in 1805 and filled with enough elegant furniture, prints and paintings to be a setting for a Merchant-Ivory film. Born in 1936 in what was then Bombay, Mr. Merchant moved to New York in 1958 and earned a master's in business administration at New York University. His first film was a theatrical short, The Creation of Woman, which was a United States entry in the 1961 Cannes International Film Festival. En route to the festival, Mr. Merchant met Mr. Ivory, and they formed a partnership to make English-language features in India for the international market. Mr. Ivory survives him, as do four sisters: Saherbanu Kabadia and Ruksana Khan, both of Mumbai; Sahida Retiwala of Bergenfield, N.J.; and Rashida Bootwala of Pune, India. The first Merchant-Ivory project was The Householder, based on a book by Ruth Prawer Jhabvala, an author who grew up in Britain and married an Indian. She then became the team's writing collaborator in an agreement signed on a napkin in a Manhattan restaurant in 1963. When we first began, Ruth told us she had never written a screenplay, Mr. Merchant told The Associated Press. That was not a problem, since I had never produced a feature film and Jim had never directed one. Merchant-Ivory came to symbolize scenes of rich décor and period atmosphere, palaces and parade grounds of India, castles and country houses of Europe, and lavish dinners and drawing-room intrigue. The two men asserted that the opulent settings were essential to portraying the breadth and diversity of the culture clashes central to their screenplays, which often portrayed societies in jeopardy with individuals fighting to retain their ideals. Mr. Merchant's adventures included stealing props and bailing actors out of jail. One famous stunt was getting around a ban on filming The Proprietor inside the Trianon Palace Hotel in Versailles, France, by draping himself in robes and posing as the Maharajah of Jodhpur. His crew masqueraded as his entourage and, once inside, set up the shoot. Mr. Merchant believed that visual pageantry made narratives more accessible. Mr. Ivory took on the detractors who contended that the sumptuous surroundings overwhelmed the story lines. When the director Alan Parker once dismissed their oeuvre as the Laura Ashley school of filmmaking, Mr. Ivory shot back, The comment will be better remembered than any film he ever made. Asked to assess Mr. Merchant's strengths in an interview during the filming of The Golden Bowl in 1999, Mr. Ivory said: He's a natural showman, a great publicist, and he's just very, very good at getting his way. He's made some casting decisions by just going ahead and offering jobs to people on the spot. He shouldn't do it, but then, when it's people like James Mason and Maggie Smith, how can I complain? Commenting on Mr. Merchant's ability to finagle spectacle at bargain rates, Uma Thurman, a star of The Golden Bowl, looked out at the grounds and turreted mansion that he
Re: [Goanet]Ismael Merchant Dies.
Thank you, Gabriel, it was Jennifer. She went too soon, had asked that her ashes be spread over her beloved Baga bay. Will post the Times obit, and a note here, Ivory and Merchant were not gay. eric. --- Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, It was Jennifer that Sashi Kapoor got married to, I think, as Jennifer Kendall was still in London in the 1980s acting in many a TV role ... Cheers, Gabriel. --- eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 68, in London. His Shakespearwalla brought the revered Kendalls to India, introduced Sashi Kapoor to his beloved Felicity and made them all Goa lovers and residents. He told us of a big debt to St. Xavier's College in Bombay, wrote a large in New York to prove it. RIP.eric. __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/
[Goanet]Ugharit - Truth in Labelling !!
Thank you, Alfredo. Since the edict applies to merchandise, i am free to disclaim a connection and tell you my language is called 'Culture', if you get the picture: in much the same vein, the Oxford tome on lexicon claims a indo-european origin for precursor words that are so clearly sanskrit. Perhaps it is the frost, but the Finns are the only group who can bring themselves to say they speak Finno-Ugarit, not so the Hungarians, Esthonians(Asthanya!) or Latvians(Lahtvyaa!). Perhaps a primitive compass could only track the 40th longitude, they stayed in line from Erithrea on north: every last Finnish surname can be found in Asmara. Finn myth and lore revolves around their beloved 'Kalavalla', their version of a Gita - not to hurt feelings here. The related Karalia became extinct only in th 20th century after Russian encroachment on their eastern territory. eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Learn Tamil, Speak Basque !!
They call themselves the Uzkhaddi, it is Vasco locally, i have no idea of the Basque word origin, guess we can blame our Cecil again, and as the Spanish would say, Berry good. They have 400 words in common with Tamil, and not one with Sanskrit, so Indo-European eludes them. They are the sole survivors in Europe of the pre-Ugarithic diaspora, a post-Bantu people who dominated the Rift Valley, the Nile Valley, and lost the Indo-Gangetic plain to you can guess who ! Someday soon, i am convinced, Cornel will prevail, and Gilbert will be banished to his former lair: the the King Edward Memorial and Tata Cancer Surgical Consultancy !eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
[Goanet]Matthew 13 - Thank you, Cecil !
Not sure if i should accept the elevation, but mother would have been pleased ! I hope i live long enough, dont go to seed, and do my share of planting in Goa and the rest of India some day. An idea - backyard coffee, and even tea, make sense at our latitude.eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Free Seed !
--And pennies from Heaven ! Fred was right - i was cryptic, but dont blame me, i'm from the Bronx ! We do have have the famous Bronx Botanical Garden however, with Palms and banana trees under glass roofs - a Moidecar would be moved to tears ! I have told a few who inquired to send me a list, will shop and mail things back. We here have access to a variety of improved vegetable types, the Beefstake tomato has been around for a few, they are working still on the 'Cecil' watermelon ! Again, all of you welcome. Eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
Re: [Goanet](no subject)
If available here, will mail, send me a list of what you you would like to plant. Eric. --- celes fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: free seed how do i get it? Pls let me know Regards __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
[Goanet]NYTimes.com: DNA Study Yields Clues on First Migration of Early Humans
This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SCIENCE | May 13, 2005 DNA Study Yields Clues on First Migration of Early Humans By NICHOLAS WADE By studying the DNA of an ancient people in Malaysia, a team of geneticists says it has illuminated many aspects of how modern humans migrated from Africa. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/13/science/13migrate.html? ex=1117166400en=62b4e0afbe22627bei=5070
[Goanet]Kannan - Canan, Mr. Kannan take note !!
Kannan is what the Ugariths called the area of upper Egypt that came to seized from the Philistines by Avram's Yoddh bands from Iraq. The name was Anglicised to Cannan a little before Lawrence of Arabia arrived in the neighbourhood to remake geography. The Yodhs were relentless movers: we can take credit for welcoming them to Rajasthan and Gujerat before Morocco, Iberia and Germany put out the mat. I welcome the temple in Ayodhya, but not the Ayodhyans who trade government business licenses at the expense of the nation's financial health. eric. Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
[Goanet]Global Warming - It helped, but then - - - -
The journal Scientific American made a startling claim last month - that grain grows in Europe and North America at present courtesy of the warming that results from human activity, enough for now to neutralize a temperature drop expected just five years into this new ice-age, three degrees centigrade. In a strange new twist to foreign aid, Sujatha Biravan and Sudhir Rajan writing out of Boston in th New York Times on monday the 9th, for the Tellus Institue, make a forceful plea to the West and others to admit up to up to 200 million people they expect will be flooded out of their homes by the year 2080. They urge the US to admit twenty percent of them, starting now at the rate of up to half a million a year: Halur, Nasci, Macao Colaco - cheek to cheek in Oklahoma !! eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]It Was Port Wine !!
Actually Gilbert, George is just back home from Lisbon, where my cousin Alano treated him to a bunch of home made Porto. Alano is with Nato Intelligence at the Lisboa Naval Base, a three language cypher man, he has all the dope on our friends in Roma !!eric.
[Goanet]New Pope.
No friend of Pe. Jose Vaz !! Feni for George and me, a small quart for Cecil, will beat up on Gibert Lawrence i run into him next in prison town Attica !! eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide
Re: [Goanet]Goa's Stealth Transformation - by VM in Herald
Hi Cecil, sent Steve the article, he said it was 500 rupees, credit to your new account ! They think Rats was the one who poisoned John Paul 1. Eric. --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Below is the full text of the article by V.M. in Herald. it has been posted here with his permission. Any comments? Cecil Goa's Stealth Transformation by V. M. de Malar Our state is really hot right now, and we're not talking about the oppressively humid weather. Every second person you meet declares blithely that he's in real estate, and old houses and sleepy village vaddos are suddenly coming to life. We've become a retirement and investment destination of choice among those who used to head to the Algarve and the Costa del Sol. And seemingly overnight, in a time span that's a mere blink of the eye given our long history, our society is steadily being transformed. Real estate agents say that there has never been a period like this before. Middle-aged British couples aren't just tricking into Goa anymore, they now pound a steady drumbeat of demand for beach condos. Israelis no longer come to Anjuna just for a few months break after military service; they stay on in the thousands for most of the year and have created a closed economy that is for, by and of the settlement of Sabras. Italians, Swedes and Danes are no longer a novelty; you can scarcely throw a stone at Benaulim or Baga without clobbering two. A curious semi-cult of Taiwanese selling cheap chappals and expensive tofu lives on our soil, plus an immense number of Germans who all seem to either bird-watch or bake artisanal breads. You may think you've discovered the real, untouched, Goa when you drive through pastoral scenes to a far-flung beach, passing only traditional agriculturalists. But pay attention to the motorcycle riders zooming imperiously past on snorting Enfields those are small French families among the bullock-carts, and tattooed and nose-ringed Spanish girls riding pillion to purple-haired Japanese. Get to the coast and your completely typical village store and you'll see a sign advertising fresh feta cheese and organic rocket leaves right alongside the usual plastic buckets and sachets of cheap shampoo. The bhaile don't just come to visit anymore, they stay forever, start hydroponic farms, cure Danish-style bacon and become yoga instructors. How and why is this happening, and should we start to get worried? Let's address that last question first. The only reasonable answer is: no, not yet. It is irritating, lets admit it, that this huge influx of people has made Goans unwanted outsiders to whole localities and parts of the nightlife economy. But who among us particularly wants to ingest vast quantities of LSD and spend the night twitching involuntarily to inhumanly loud electronic noise? It's their thing, and if it produces even a small effect for our local economy then let these people do their thing without disturbance, as long as they don't disturb us egregiously either. And if this sudden craze for ancient ramshackle houses results in some of our charming architectural assets being renovated, can we really be too perturbed? Our whole culture is erected on a relaxed laizzez-faire ethic, why make an exception now? But look at the whys, and hows, and then we might really want to start monitoring what is underway. Because we Goans are scampering at high speed to sell off our limited property for a pittance, in an unseemly and often nauseating rush to make a quick buck. Most of the people who are buying here are doing so because you can buy mansions for the price of half a hovel virtually anywhere else. Should we continue to value our last precious assets so unbelievably cheaply? And should one of our unique selling propositions really be that our system is so broken and corrupt that you can get away with anything for a price? How it is happening can be summed up in two words like a lot else in Goa: total chaos. We don't know how many people have settled in our small state, and we don't really know whether they stay on and buy property legally. We don't know anything about the illegal parallel economy that used to be restricted to drugs and flea-bitten bazaars, but now includes every imaginable service and consumer item. We have no idea what the precise impact of this stealth invasion is on inflation, on health indices, on water tables, on green cover, on pollution. We know next to nothing other than it is happening in a big way, and these new Goans are everywhere. It's really is time to start paying attention. = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
[Goanet]Bombay Dock Explosion.
It claimed the lives of a hundred and forty odd firemen, a plaque at the Claire Road firehouse remembers them. A propeller blade, 300 pounds, landed on the hockey ground of St.Xaviers School, two miles as the crow flies - it was mounted on a pedestal and placed on our beloved 'marble' ground, with a plaque, naturally: Father Heras did not have to dig for this souvenir ! Twenty years later, in the 60's, dredgers continued to haul 20 pound gold ingots with harbour sludge - the lost outbound cargo was our 'loan' to the war effort !! eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide
[Goanet]Boomoi !!
Urb Prima of India, its the Goan's fond name for his second hometown of two centuries. Mumbadevi has been around for millenia, Bom Baim is now a footnote in history. Governor Pombal had refused to surrender it to King Charles, the new British Governor was held marooned on Anjediva - it took a year for him, his wife and two children, and the last of the ships company to starve to death. Valinkinni miracles were not made available to Protestant navies. eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
[Goanet]In Kosovo, not Goa.
From the New York Times, March 24 : Bajram Kosumi was sworn in as Prime Minister, replacing Ramush Haradinaj who has been arrested. Serb general Vinko Pandurevich has been taken into custody by the the Tribunal at the Hague. Since names are a now topic of discussion, i wondered about adding ones like these to our current Lusitanian repertory. Our new kitten is Bozzo, 'bright' in Albanian, i hope !eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
[Goanet]Language lesson for Francesca !
We share the word for Heaven - its Svorog in both Russian and Konkanni, but our Valhalla i am convinced is far superior, but when it comes to vodoka it's quite a different matter - we save ours for Cecil's watermelon patch ! Not to worry Ses, promise you a quart of the real thing, soon !! eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
[Goanet]My Quest For Shiva.
Its pronounced Sheev, said a New York Jew to me, sternly, one does not cross paths with Him who is both creator and destroyer, he continued : my friend is right i think, on all counts. Hindus revere him for much the same reason, and Jews invite friends to 'sit Shiva', a prayer gathering held a week in to a death in the family. This is probably the only vestige of the old Faith that survives in the in the ethos of that proto-Ugarithic group ( i dislike the label Semitic), for they can thank Abraham for introducing them to the the dubious pleasures of monotheism, just as Zarusthra did for our folk a little to the west in Sumerian country. Friend Shiva probably went to work early, in the Rift Valley, in the Gita Rama precincts, a city in Ruwanda. I lived in the region once, and i heard the same refrain when i asked - 'it was our religion we think, but no one seems to remember anymore'. Ethiopia has both, towns named Siva as well as Rama, but Egypt is the clincher: the Siva Oasis, where Alexander is buried. An Oracle had ordered it when he had inquired about the best route to to his Divinity on his death - it took the funeral caravan eighteen months to reach Siva from Macedonia. We then set sail a short breeze to Kriti(Crete), you get to see the island in the movie Zorba the Greek, Siva is their third town. On this barren outcrop, you are expected to believe, European civilization saw the light of day. Amen. There are Sivas in Afghanistan and Uzbekistan, bless them all, and someday soon i hope there will be lttle Catholic boys in Goa who will be baptized Siva, and why not !!eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]NYTIMES - How Planets are Born.
An interesting article, Watching as Dusky Disks Slowly Turn into Planets , NYTIMES.COM , Dec.21st., new abode for Cornel/Marlon !!eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Idol Worship
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Of the many Reformation led charges against the Church, the one that endured the longest was idol worshippers. It's all so moot now with no worshippers of any stripe left in formerly christian Europe, and here we are fighting their moribund battle for 'faith' on far away Asian shores. eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Kerry All The Way !!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Or so it appears for now, Clinton's second coming has produced a 2 point pop in the polls for Kerry in two days ! Twenty years ago, a puppy was born in a Goan home in America, and it lived out a full life, (un)burdened with a very special name - Ron Reagan. In a more circumspect mood, i settled for 'Bozzo' when our new kitten arrived six months ago, and now the dilemma: does it stay the same if the next occupant of the Oval Office is not a pathetic circus 'Bobo'. Perhaps all is not lost, after all bozzo is also a Goan term of endearment, and with fond respects to the two Johns in the White House, our fast growing bobo will continue to be Bozzo to all. eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
[Goanet]Recent Fundraiser.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Several years ago we did one, formally, for an individual, and then again, a recent call for help was issued on his behalf: my own response this time around was a new and very substantial gift - and once again there has been no message of appreciation, private or public. Times change, the old addage, but i wonder just the same. eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]What's In A Name !!
Sonya Maino, from Torino( Turin !!), heart of Atrusi(Etruscan!!) country that stretches west to Italia from Turkey, language whiz at Cambridge, meets Rajiv Feroze Gandhi, and history gets its postscript. Nehru found the son he never had when Feroze comforted him in prison, and when they were free, Feroze was a trusted curfew runner to him. 'Daruvalla', old Jan Sangh slander, he was not, his father was a merchant marine captain from catholic Khotachi Wadi in Bombay who sent the lonesome family to live with his sister in Allahabad: that family owned the town's only liquor store. Now what if Feroze Gandhi was Jamshed Daruvalla, and Sonya was another Maria Goretti, just how many of our people people would care to picture a Prime Minister Maria Daruvalla !! We are a Karma folk, and i guess it goes both ways, but one need not the leave the future of a nation to fate: a people as divided as we are will reap the whirlwind, more so if our prophets are an Advani or a male loon in Kuwait named Veronica !! eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Singapore Treat.
sunday morning service at the Anglican cathedral, coffee and sandwiches on the lawn, i missed the little old ladies even more !! The plaque on the front wall reminds visitors the edifice was completed with the use of 'penal labour from India'. In Malacca, the church inscription remembers a 'Pe. DaCosta, de Benaulim, Goa, as its builder, 1700's. eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Historical injustice... or revision?
Hows things, no wine till sunday! second thoughts, lest go to Shamra together!eric. --- Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As usual, Gilbert is again choosing to obfuscate the the fundamental issues at hand. When confronted with facts of catholic churches having being built on temples, the topic was changed to whether churches were built next to destroyed temples. Gilbert was asked to back up his allegations made against Tariq and he has yet again provided no clear answer to it. The revisionist campaign has now moved on to Tipu Sultan and the allegation of atrocities committed by his army against (the still large and thriving) Goan catholics in Manglore. The fact is that there is much in dispute on what Tipu Sultan did or did not do. Many belonging to the hindu right do share Gilbert's opinion of Tipu Sultan. The alternate opinion is that he was very tolerant of hindus and supported the reconstruction of old hindu temples and had many hindu princes in his goverment. One fact that is very clear is that Tipu Sultan's forces were heavily armed and supported by the (catholic) French. Without their support, it is questionable if Tipu would have been able to take on the British and the regional powers for as long as he did. For those who are not aware, the French were at that time competing with the British to establish themselves in India. With regards to the alleged massacre of the christians in Manglore, there is no doubt that he used force quell the christian community there. Manglore had been under his domain for a long time and was never subject to religious subjugation either by him or his father for many decades of their rule. The reason for his eventual attack was because it the catholics in Manglore sensed they could get special favors from the British and decided to switch sides. Kind of reminds me of the musical chair politics that takes place in Goa. Jokes aside, it is clear that his French backed army did not target them because of their religion. His response was therefore quite logical (though harsh) considering he was fighting for his very existance. In the end, he was defeated and killed by the British, which resulted in the door finally being opened to British rule in south. Marlon --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilbert Lawrence: All their (Manglorean former Goan Catholics) lands, goods and personal property were confiscated and given away to loyal subjects. Their churches were destroyed and many of the stones were used to build mosques and other monuments. Wonder how often Tariq has railed against this episode in Goan history - the ultimate revision of the history of Goans. Santosh: As far as I know, Tariq has never railed against anything in Goan history. There is no virtue in claiming that one's own religious bigots killed less number of people than someone else's religious bigots, let alone doing it by using unsubstantiated and fabricated facts. If one wants to revise history to feel good about one's past, one can certainly do it better by not taunting others. Gilbert Lawrence: Regards: As far as I know, Tariq has never railed against anything in Goan History. Your memory is either short and/or your historical facts are convenient. The point: there are all kinds of bigots including yours and mine. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]On Assimilating Gods.
Ancient Ugarit, 10,000 BC to 2000 BC, covered what today is Turkey, Syria and much of the Levant. It's last three kings were Ammitamru, Ammit and Ammurapi. Chief god EL shared the skies with Shaddei and Barith, with Baal, Ashera and Yam playing lesser roles. They posed a challenge to the newly arrived band of Abraham's Hebrews from Ur(Basra today!). The problem was solved by giving their own god, Yahweh, the titles of El, Shaddei and Barith: why eliminate the gods of Canaan when one could just as well assimilate !! The Prophets complained, the folk went further: Ashera was married off to Yahweh - even a god could use a consort ! A common slogan was whose land, his god, make it Baal; call it Co-existance! Ugaritic worship was essentially drunken orgies, the Hebrew response was predictable: women were barred from temples! Their capital was Shamra, Latakia in Syria, today; a word to Marlon - stick to Vagator !! eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Whats in a Name: Take Ten !
A blatant attempt on the part of this no- Angeleno to extort a thousand for Sudharop ! Should we let him get away with it - polls open, you on the line, George! eric, --- eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are nations and towns whose popular but Anglicised names bear no link to what their natives care to label themselves, and so, the first person who tells us what the Finns, Hungarians, Armenians and Moscovites call their homes makes ten US Dollars, cash or kind!! Reading up on the Irish, i discovered they believe they descend from an Egyptian princess, Skada, which lends to the very Keltic(Kaltic !!) Skodda, Scotta and Scott. Now a true Scottsman will not pass up on his beloved Caledonia, which still warms the cockles of the heart of this Kalidunyan who once surfed the Nile millenia ago. And yes, make that Neela to our friends in Egypt, all Arabs, and Indians too !! eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Whats in a Name: Take Ten !
There are nations and towns whose popular but Anglicised names bear no link to what their natives care to label themselves, and so, the first person who tells us what the Finns, Hungarians, Armenians and Moscovites call their homes makes ten US Dollars, cash or kind!! Reading up on the Irish, i discovered they believe they descend from an Egyptian princess, Skada, which lends to the very Keltic(Kaltic !!) Skodda, Scotta and Scott. Now a true Scottsman will not pass up on his beloved Caledonia, which still warms the cockles of the heart of this Kalidunyan who once surfed the Nile millenia ago. And yes, make that Neela to our friends in Egypt, all Arabs, and Indians too !! eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Vinegar -- Europe Only ??!!
Anytime, Cip, only i do not want to spark a debate that has silicon melt in poor Herman's mainframe ! A couple of points: some saraswats became Catholics, you can be sure that many of Ratnagiri's Konkanni speaking Moslems must have had Hindu Sarasvat antecedents. In 1990, twenty thousand of them in Cape Town claimed Konkanni as the language spoken at home in a census filing. WE, this time a deliberate emphasis on we, colonised Goa, settled on Pond-Manguesh as the new home of Tribe's Gods, then got the Nilotics who were there first to speak our tongue ! In fact, it is believed that those Southern cattle herdsmen gave Goa its name - Go-Man, or cow-people. From the Punjab, to the Central Provinces to Kerala(50,000), the Sarasvat, who typically has never made it to Goa, speaks Konkanni at home, even as he assimilates locally from nine to five. Disown it all after three thousand years, perhaps, but will leave it to the next generation.eric. --- C Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, Could you be kind enough to explain the meaning of i am sure we Saraswats ? With kind regards, Cip -Original Message- eric pinto, Sent: 08 September 2003 22:10 WE call it sheergo/sheerko, and it goes by the same label in Persia and Afghanistan. Given our Kandahari origins, i am sure we Saraswats were familiar with the liquid millenia before chef Vasco made port in Calicut ! eric. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Vinegar -- Europe Only ??!!
WE call it sheergo/sheerko, and it goes by the same label in Persia and Afghanistan. Given our Kandahari origins, i am sure we Saraswats were familiar with the liquid millenia before chef Vasco made port in Calicut !eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Tellis a Goan ?
If he is the Ashley Tellis who went to St. Xaviers School in the 60's, then he is the brother of Viv Tellis the Dentist, and a nephew of the venerable Dr. Stanley Patrao, the man who delivered half of south Bombays Goan babies: only they were dear Mangalorian friends of our family !! Ashley was younger than me, his brother Winston was older. AShley taught for several years at the Jesuit run Fairfield University in Connecticut( the state was renamed a hundred years ago, it was Kannatakat, until then ! ). eric. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
