[Goanet] Please do not open anything v on FB VOMINV FROM ME.

[Venantius J Pinto]

My FB and i instagram  has been compromised. Please do not respond to any
question from the person pretending to be me. Please share this information
.

Mi FB y mi instagram se han visto comprometidos. Por favor, no
responda a ninguna pregunta de la persona que se hace pasar por mí.
Por favor comparte esta información.

Re: [Goanet] Why India Abstained

[Venantius J Pinto]

Yes, Roland. A splendid reminder.
-V

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 10:47 AM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> In a recent move in the UN Security Council censuring Russia’s invasion of
> Ukraine, India abstained from the vote and it ended with Russia exercising
> their veto.
>
> Memories of countries don’t entirely die and besides the Soviet vetoes
> that helped to kill the several UN censures of Indian actions in Kashmir,
> here is one that  may account for the recent absentation.
>
> “50 years ago,  in December 1971,  USA threatened India to stop the 1971
> war. An alarmed India sent a SOS to the Soviet Union. A story that has been
> nearly erased from Indian history books.
>
> When Pakistan's defeat in the 1971 war seemed imminent, Kissinger spurred
> Nixon to send the US 7th Fleet’s Task Force, led by the nuclear-powered
> aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, to the Bay of Bengal. The USS Enterprise,
> at 75,000 ton, was the world's largest nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in
> the 1970s with more than 70 fighter aircraft. A monster. The Indian Navy’s
> fleet was led by the 20,000-ton aircraft carrier, Vikrant, with 20 light
> fighter aircraft.
>
> The USS Enterprise was being dispatched to secure American citizens in
> Bangladesh was the official American statement. Unofficially it was to
> threaten the Indian forces and prevent the liberation of East Pakistan.
> India soon got another bad news.
>
> Soviet intelligence reported to India that a powerful British naval group
> led by the aircraft carrier HMS Eagle with commando carrier HMS Albion,
> several destroyers and other ships were approaching India's territorial
> waters from the west, towards the Arabian Sea. The British and the
> Americans planned a coordinated pincer attack to intimidate India: the
> British ships in the Arabian Sea will target India's western coast, while
> the Americans would make a dash to Chittagong. Caught between the British &
> the American ships was the Indian Navy.
>
> The world’s two leading democracies were now threatening the world’s
> largest democracy. An SOS from Delhi was sent to Moscow. The Red Navy soon
> dispatched 16 Soviet naval units and six nuclear submarines from
> Vladivostok to block USS Enterprise.
>
> Admiral N. Krishnan, the chief of the Eastern Command of the Indian Navy,
> wrote in his book, 'No Way But Surrender' that he was afraid that the
> Americans will reach Chittagong. He mentions how they even thought of
> attacking Enterprise, in a do or die move, to slow it down.
>
> On December 2nd week 1971, the US 7th Fleet’s Task Force, led by the
> monstrous USS Enterprise arrived in the Bay of Bengal. The British fleet
> was arriving in the Arabian Sea. The world held its breath.
>
> But, unknown to the Americans, the submerged Soviet submarines had
> overtaken them.
>
> As USS Enterprise moved towards East Pakistan, the Soviet submarines
> surfaced without any warning. The Soviet subs were now standing between
> India and the US naval force.
>
> The Americans were shocked.
>
> Admiral Gordon told the 7th American Fleet Commander: "Sir, we are too
> late. The Soviets are here!"
>
> Both the American and British fleets backed off. Today, most Indians have
> forgotten about this colossal naval chess battle between the two
> superpowers in the Bay of Bengal.”
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>

Re: [Goanet] Italian POWs in India

[Venantius J Pinto]

I see.
vjp

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:50 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> The construction of the church started in 1954 and was completed in 1957.
> It was quite possible that Fr. Maschio brought in some Italian construction
> people for the work. The architecture, design and look definitely reflects
> a native Italian concept, but it would not have been the Italian POWs who
> worked on it, since the Brits left in 1947 and would not have been able to
> keep their human war baggage after that.
>
> Roland
>
> > On Feb 10, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Venantius J Pinto <
> venantius.pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I heard that they helped build the Shrine of Don Bosco in Matunga. I
> > believe Fr. Maschio gave each of them-a packet of cigarettes, daily.
> >
> > -Venantius j Pinto
>

Re: [Goanet] The Hijab Controversy - A College Professor Writes

[Venantius J Pinto]

A full hijab?!
Were those wearing hijabs covering their faces? Covering the hair is a
whole other thing, and likewise not revealing the contours of the body.
That goes if need be for any woman. And I am beyond radical. Someone should
write on purdah which was common with aristocratic and even common women.

vjp

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 1:08 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> I taught in a premier women's college in Bangalore for most of my teaching
> career.
>
> In my classroom, there were Hindu girls who wore their bindis, sacred ash,
> holy threads on their wrists etc. There were also Hindu girls in Western
> clothing who came out in all their ethnic beauty for Ethnic Day and the
> next day came to class in jeans and t-shirts.
>
> On Onam, the whole college campus was a sea of beautiful cream and gold
> saris and jasmine flowers and sandal paste tilaks. Even the non-Malyalis
> like myself looked forward to turning out in our saris and mundus and we
> would order in Onam Saadya and enjoy it in the department during lunch
> break.
>
> I have three beautiful Onam saris hanging in my wardrobe as reminders of
> those happy days of the past.
>
> It was the same during Sankranthi...the driveway and corridors would be
> decorated with beautiful rangolis. For Ugadi, one of my Department members,
> knowing my fondness for the traditional til- kadlai- jaggery- sugar candy
> mix, would make sure she brought an extra little packet of it for me.
>
> There were Muslim girls, many of them in jeans and kurtis / salwar-kameez
> etc and also many who wore the full hijab.
>
> Many of them who did not wear the hijab could be seen, especially during
> Ramzan namaaz,  covering their heads with their dupattas when they heard
> the call to prayer...right in the middle of a lecture.
>
> It was no big deal.
>
> In fact, if and when I did happen to notice it while teaching, something
> in me felt a deep respect for those small signs of reverence for their
> prayer time that they showed in just covering their heads.
> None of their fellow students, and, as far as I know, none of us teachers
> were disturbed by it.
> It was just the thing they did and we respected that.
>
> In the same classroom, student nuns could be seen wearing either the sari
> or the habit and veil, and all of them wearing a crucifix.
> Christian students often wore a cross or rosary around their necks.
>
> On Ash Wednesday you could tell who the Catholics were by the cross of
> ashes on their foreheads.
>
> And ...they/ we all shared the same space, the same laughter, the same
> exam stress, the same enjoyment of fests, the same boredom during boring
> lectures and the same interest during good ones.
>
> They / we all dived enthusiastically into each others' lunch boxes to
> sample different cuisines from different backgrounds.
> They/ we sat at the same tables in the cafeteria and simply enjoyed being
> together.
> From the happy, raucous laughter and palpable sense of youthful joy, I
> doubt many / any  were discussing religion.
>
> The food fests were the BEST.
> You would have the popular chaat stalls, the much sought after biryani
> counters, where mutton, chicken and veg biryani were available, the kaati
> roll counters were hugely popular too, as were the momo counters run by the
> sweet and gentle students from the North -East.
>
> With Hindus , Sikhs, Muslims, Christians,  Jains, and those who didn't
> specifically adhere to any religious belief or symbolism sharing the same
> benches, imbibing the same knowledge, while sporting their different
> traditional dresses and religious symbols (or no obvious symbol at all),
> our classrooms were mini melting-pots of Indian diversity.
> And it was WONDERFUL.
>
> Our teaching and non-teaching departments were made up of men and women
> who worked together as colleagues and team-mates, even as most of us wore
> some symbol of our personal religious beliefs, even if it were just a
> wedding ring on the left hand or a mangalsutra..
>
> So many non-Catholic and non-Christian lecturers and students would attend
> the Christian prayer service / Mass celebrated on campus for special
> occasions.
>
> And they attended by choice, and with great reverence, many even covering
> their heads with their dupattas/ saris while that was not and is not
> required even of those of us who were / are Christian.
> We simply respected each other.
>
> Why is all this becoming so important now...why are we marking each other
> by religion and caste etc?
>
> When did we stop respecting the fact that as Indians we are the same
> despite our differences of faith and ethnicity?
> When did we start taking offence more often than giving respect?
>
> I just posted this comment of mine on a public page which has carried a
> report on this ongoing, nonsensical non-issue of Muslim girls and their
> right to wear the headscarf/hijab to school.
> I copy-pasted it here.
>
> I expect to be trolled, on the other page, for this comment.
> And undoubtedly, 

Re: [Goanet] Italian POWs in India

[Venantius J Pinto]

I heard that they helped build the Shrine of Don Bosco in Matunga. I
believe Fr. Maschio gave each of them-a packet of cigarettes, daily.

-Venantius j pinto



On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 11:14 AM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> A post from Patrice which was probably wrongly addressed to Goanet Lists.
>
> > On Feb 10, 2022, at 5:53 AM, patrice riemens  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 11:33:34 -0500
> >> From: Roland Francis 
> >> To: goa...@goanet.org
> >> Cc: Dr Eric Pinto 
> >> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Italian POWs in India
> >> Message-ID: 
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >>
> >> What a fascinating tale of the wartime Italian connection to India.
> Wonder whether Bombay?s Monginis was the creation of a freed Italian POW
> who went on to open the cafe and restaurant which became present day
> Akbarallys whose specialty cakes are named after their Italian predecessors.
> >>
> >> I was struck by the fact that the Italian POWs went on to share their
> rations and provisions with the Indians in their neighbourhood. Does that
> mean that the Brits fed their European ?guests? better than than their
> colonial population?
> >>
> >> No surprise that the buildings and settlements they built are used by
> the Indian forces even today. The Italians are well known for their
> artisans.
> >>
> >> Roland.
> >> Toronto.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 11:08 AM, eric pinto 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> They left their legacy in Bombay, Dehradun, b, Bangalore . . .
> >>> https://www.livehistoryindia.com/story/people/italian-pows-in-india
> >>> - - -
> >
> > Fascinating story indeed, I'll pass it on to local friends!
> >
> > Everywhere where Italian POWs were transported to, they built (& left)
> some kind of buildings (mostly churches, or rather chapels). From (East)
> Africa to  Siberia!. There were always a few 'muratore' (masons) among
> Italian soldiers, pbly a higher percentage than among other nationalities'
> POWs.
> >
> > Cheers, p+7D!
>

Re: [Goanet] Abide with Me

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hello Mervyn!


*I copied the complete lyrics of the rendition of KARIBU NA WEWE, by Msanii
Records Choral, from the video at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlyogmgXAVg
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlyogmgXAVg>*

Karibu na wewe, Mungu wangu:
Karibu Zaidi Bwana wangu,
Siku zote niwe Karibu na Wewe,
Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.

Mimi nasafiri duniani,
Pa kupumzika sipaonio.,
Nilalapo niwe karibu na Weve,
Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.

Yote unipayo yanivuta
Pa kukaribia nitapata;
Na nielekezwe, karibu na Weve,
Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.

Ba kwa nguvu zangu nikusifu;
Mwamba, uwe maji ya wokovu
Mashakani niwe karibu na Weve;
Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.

Na nyumbani mwa juu, Baba yangu
Nikinyakunliwa toka huko,
Kwa furaha niwe pamoja na Weve,
Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.
+

Best all,
Venantius

On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 2:54 AM Mervyn Maciel <
mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Venantius,
>
> Thanks for this lovely rendition in Swahili by this African choir.
> Now it is a question of mastering the words and playing it on my harmonica.
> Thanks again.
>
>
> Mervyn
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 29 Jan 2022, at 01:27, Venantius J Pinto 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Adolfo, Hello Melwynm and all!
>
>
>
> *Consider this rendition KARIBU NA WEWE, by Msanii Records
> Choralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlyogmgXAVg
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlyogmgXAVg>*
>
> Karibu na wewe, Mungu wangu:
> Karibu Zaidi Bwana wangu,
> Siku zote niwe Karibu na Wewe,
> Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.
>
> Mimi nasafiri duniani,
> Pa kupumzika sipaonio.,
> Nilalapo niwe karibu na Weve,
>
> Venantius
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 4:51 AM Adolfo Mascarenhas 
> wrote:
>
>> Mervyn
>> Thank you very much for sharing your views on Nearer My God .I know
>> you
>> sing the Hymn at Funerals ...I can picture the scene and mood.  There must
>> be a Swahili Version.  The purpose of writing to you is to do us another
>> favour..Could you petition the Queen of GB  to give the Order of the
>> Great Boot *(OGB)* .to a certain Netters who would like to join the Modi
>> militants.
>>
>> As they say >>>>Let us not be harsh of this individual >>>>> We all know
>> what happened to  Saul when he was struck down from his horse..This
>> netter residing in White GB might even volunteer to go to El Salvador
>> Guatemala .
>> I am so grateful to Fr. Naik for putting us and especially me into the
>> broader picturewe as individuals do not have to praise Hitlers, the
>> Churchills and Enoch Powell or Mr Kim of North Korea
>>
>> Grandolfo
>> I am suddenly conscious that although I visited nearly all African and
>> European countries, many Asian Countries...from Japan to Singapore,
>> Thailand, Indonesia .my  exposure to Latin American countries is
>> zilch..only  Panama  !!!  It's a long story why I did not go to Chile .
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 11:29 PM Mervyn Maciel <
>> mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Bwana,
>> >
>> > All the controversy being stirred up over this lovely hymn which I love
>> > and have sung on many occasions - especially at funerals too.
>> >  Those who doubt the existence of God - and there are some among
>> > our own people should listen to these two love pieces.
>> > Kwaheri Bwana.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mzee Mervyn
>> >
>>
>

Re: [Goanet] Abide with Me

[Venantius J Pinto]

Awesome Melvyn. Write them large and keep the placards where you can see
them. Or more. The last lbs us the same in all the verses. A memory
technique. I am a few months over 60. IRock on.

On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 2:29 AM Mervyn Maciel <
mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for that,Venantius.
> Am now trying to memorise at least 2 verses -not easy @ nearly 93!
>
> Mervyn
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 30 Jan 2022, at 05:40, Venantius J Pinto 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Mervyn!
>
>
> *I copied the complete lyrics of the rendition of KARIBU NA WEWE, by
> Msanii Records Choral, from the video at:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlyogmgXAVg
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlyogmgXAVg>*
>
> Karibu na wewe, Mungu wangu:
> Karibu Zaidi Bwana wangu,
> Siku zote niwe Karibu na Wewe,
> Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.
>
> Mimi nasafiri duniani,
> Pa kupumzika sipaonio.,
> Nilalapo niwe karibu na Weve,
> Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.
>
> Yote unipayo yanivuta
> Pa kukaribia nitapata;
> Na nielekezwe, karibu na Weve,
> Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.
>
> Ba kwa nguvu zangu nikusifu;
> Mwamba, uwe maji ya wokovu
> Mashakani niwe karibu na Weve;
> Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.
>
> Na nyumbani mwa juu, Baba yangu
> Nikinyakunliwa toka huko,
> Kwa furaha niwe pamoja na Weve,
> Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.
> +
>
> Best all,
> Venantius
>
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 2:54 AM Mervyn Maciel <
> mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Venantius,
>>
>> Thanks for this lovely rendition in Swahili by this African choir.
>> Now it is a question of mastering the words and playing it on my
>> harmonica.
>> Thanks again.
>>
>>
>> Mervyn
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 29 Jan 2022, at 01:27, Venantius J Pinto 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Adolfo, Hello Melwynm and all!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Consider this rendition KARIBU NA WEWE, by Msanii Records
>> Choralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlyogmgXAVg
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlyogmgXAVg>*
>>
>> Karibu na wewe, Mungu wangu:
>> Karibu Zaidi Bwana wangu,
>> Siku zote niwe Karibu na Wewe,
>> Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.
>>
>> Mimi nasafiri duniani,
>> Pa kupumzika sipaonio.,
>> Nilalapo niwe karibu na Weve,
>>
>> Venantius
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 4:51 AM Adolfo Mascarenhas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mervyn
>>> Thank you very much for sharing your views on Nearer My God .I know
>>> you
>>> sing the Hymn at Funerals ...I can picture the scene and mood.  There
>>> must
>>> be a Swahili Version.  The purpose of writing to you is to do us another
>>> favour..Could you petition the Queen of GB  to give the Order of the
>>> Great Boot *(OGB)* .to a certain Netters who would like to join the Modi
>>> militants.
>>>
>>> As they say >>>>Let us not be harsh of this individual >>>>> We all know
>>> what happened to  Saul when he was struck down from his horse..This
>>> netter residing in White GB might even volunteer to go to El Salvador
>>> Guatemala .
>>> I am so grateful to Fr. Naik for putting us and especially me into the
>>> broader picturewe as individuals do not have to praise Hitlers, the
>>> Churchills and Enoch Powell or Mr Kim of North Korea
>>>
>>> Grandolfo
>>> I am suddenly conscious that although I visited nearly all African and
>>> European countries, many Asian Countries...from Japan to Singapore,
>>> Thailand, Indonesia .my  exposure to Latin American countries is
>>> zilch..only  Panama  !!!  It's a long story why I did not go to Chile .
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 11:29 PM Mervyn Maciel <
>>> mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Bwana,
>>> >
>>> > All the controversy being stirred up over this lovely hymn which I love
>>> > and have sung on many occasions - especially at funerals too.
>>> >  Those who doubt the existence of God - and there are some among
>>> > our own people should listen to these two love pieces.
>>> > Kwaheri Bwana.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Mzee Mervyn
>>> >
>>>
>>

Re: [Goanet] Abide with Me

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hello Adolfo, Hello Melwynm and all!



*Consider this rendition KARIBU NA WEWE, by Msanii Records
Choralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlyogmgXAVg
*

Karibu na wewe, Mungu wangu:
Karibu Zaidi Bwana wangu,
Siku zote niwe Karibu na Wewe,
Karibu zaidi, Mungu wangu.

Mimi nasafiri duniani,
Pa kupumzika sipaonio.,
Nilalapo niwe karibu na Weve,

Venantius



On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 4:51 AM Adolfo Mascarenhas 
wrote:

> Mervyn
> Thank you very much for sharing your views on Nearer My God .I know you
> sing the Hymn at Funerals ...I can picture the scene and mood.  There must
> be a Swahili Version.  The purpose of writing to you is to do us another
> favour..Could you petition the Queen of GB  to give the Order of the
> Great Boot *(OGB)* .to a certain Netters who would like to join the Modi
> militants.
>
> As they say Let us not be harsh of this individual > We all know
> what happened to  Saul when he was struck down from his horse..This
> netter residing in White GB might even volunteer to go to El Salvador
> Guatemala .
> I am so grateful to Fr. Naik for putting us and especially me into the
> broader picturewe as individuals do not have to praise Hitlers, the
> Churchills and Enoch Powell or Mr Kim of North Korea
>
> Grandolfo
> I am suddenly conscious that although I visited nearly all African and
> European countries, many Asian Countries...from Japan to Singapore,
> Thailand, Indonesia .my  exposure to Latin American countries is
> zilch..only  Panama  !!!  It's a long story why I did not go to Chile .
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 11:29 PM Mervyn Maciel <
> mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bwana,
> >
> > All the controversy being stirred up over this lovely hymn which I love
> > and have sung on many occasions - especially at funerals too.
> >  Those who doubt the existence of God - and there are some among
> > our own people should listen to these two love pieces.
> > Kwaheri Bwana.
> >
> >
> > Mzee Mervyn
> >
>

Re: [Goanet] Driving In Ice And Snow

[Venantius J Pinto]

No question if it working when there was no link in your previous post.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:53 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Sorry previous link didn’t work.
>
> https://youtu.be/LyX24moq-_0
>
> Roland.
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Roland Francis 
> wrote:
> >
> > How to react: Ice covered roads, 401 crash serves as reminder
> >
> > Click here to watch video
> >
> >
> > Roland.
> > Toronto.
> >
>

Re: [Goanet] Armed Forces Chief Dead

[Venantius J Pinto]

Interesting that was no mention of the Morarji Desai crash where the PM and
his son survived but the Goan pilot died. A strategic landing a decision
where the crew took the brunt of the impact. No honors either for the
commander from Pune. John Lobo carried the PMs son.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 1:49 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Gen Bipin Rawat and his wife along with 11 others were killed in a
> helicopter crash near Kurnool in the Nilgiris Hills of south India.
>
> For various silly reasons, the true reasons of crashes like this are never
> revealed and therefore lessons are never learnt, says the Hindu an old and
> leading national daily newspaper.
>
> Indian Air Force helicopter crash analysis | Will VIPs ever learn?
>
> https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/indian-air-force-helicopter-crash-analysis-will-vips-ever-learn/article37897292.ece
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>

Re: [Goanet] Catholic school in Vidisha attacked and vandalised

[Venantius J Pinto]

Brilliant strategic advice, Roland.

-vjp

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 2:01 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> In the politically charged communal environment that the Catholics in
> India find themselves where:
> 1. Bogus charges of ‘conversion’ are freely bandied.
> 2 The whole state apparatus including local police turn their heads the
> other way from events of violence.
> 3. The cat seems to have got the PMs tongue.
> 4. BJP party strategy pushes local goons to destroy Christian property,
>
> the bishops, metropolitans and cardinals of all denominations of
> Christians should be more active in countering the threats by:
>
> 1. Naming and shaming individual top police officers and local politicos.
> 2. Work closely with human rights advocates and sympathetic media.
> 3. Join up with groups of eminent lawyers from all levels of Courts who
> dislike what is happening.
> 4. Leak the Machiavellian intentions of lawbreakers to foreign watch
> groups and lobbyists.
> 5. Get smart in Intelligence gathering in areas where such criminal acts
> are known to happen.
>
> Christians in India are generally of the higher educated class and it’s a
> cop out of their leaders to take all this lying down, playing the victim
> card. This violence perpetrated on it are obviously criminal acts and the
> state should be made to recognize and act on it as such.
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>
> > On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:12 AM, Marshall Mendonza 
> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=598uvDNkegI
>

Re: [Goanet] Australian Asylum Policy

[Venantius J Pinto]

Clarity on tap. TY.
-vjp

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 5:18 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Here is the link Frederick meant to send.
>
>
> https://theconversation.com/australias-asylum-policy-has-been-a-disaster-its-deeply-disturbing-the-uk-wants-to-adopt-it-172141
>
> The UK is an Islamist-ruined landscape and the Guardian wants to criticize
> Australian refugee policy?
>
> Why didn’t they hold up Japan as a beacon instead.
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>

Re: [Goanet] 15. Goa Evades A Solution (Valmiki Faleiro)

[Venantius J Pinto]

Having heard the part about the roles played in the Conquest of Goa…should
I die soon… I shall in peace…knowing, as I sensed this f**kery ever since I
could put things together.

I have seen a lot working in Concessions as a BOH cook, for Levy at
Barclays Center; including seeing that few are concerned the stand could
stop functioning on account of their antics, stubbornness, nonchalance.
Meanwhile, on account of errors over time…I gave no choice, but provide
food at mind blowing pace. Many hear ghetto…I know ghetto in its
manifestations. Anyway. Anyhow.

I make relationships between actions/the lack thereof, and variables as
they materialize. And, hold on to the belief that something better will
happen. In all of this…I may only persevere. And, keep the artistic labor
going.

Excuse me for making such analogies, extrapolated as they be. A way of
seeing if you will. But, sooner than later the fangs would have been out
for Goa.

Thank you all-and above all wishing you peace; besides, the ability to hold
onto every shred of every kind of “faith!”

Venantius J Pinto



On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 1:14 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> There was treachery on both sides except for Nehru who seemed to be the
> only sincere person in the whole mess. On the Portuguese side, it was more
> stubbornness than actual treachery.
>
> Only a tiny minority in Goa actually wanted Indian rule. Except for the
> boisterous element of “freedom fighters” of the Goan population of Bombay,
> the rest of the Goans there couldn’t care one way or another. In fact if
> they could imagine how Goa would turn out 50 years laters, they would
> vehemently oppose Indian rule.
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>
> > On Dec 5, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Goanet Reader 
> wrote:
> >
> > By Valmiki Faleiro
> > valmi...@gmail.com
> >
> > Western countries tried and failed to move an intransigent
> > Portugal. But they kept pressurising India not to resort to
> > force in Goa. Nehru himself was opposed to war and hoped for
> > a peaceful solution.  None was emerging. Disquiet continued
> > in various forms in Goa.
> >
> >
>

Re: [Goanet] Let Your Mind Wander

[Venantius J Pinto]

Spot on. And, there’s consciousness.
-vjp

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 4:41 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> It’s not just your brain that makes you smart according to Annie Murphy
> Paul in this interesting podcast. She suggests also thinking outside the
> brain.
>
> “Intelligence is the domain of the mind, that much is obvious. What isn't
> obvious is what makes up the mind. Most people will say the brain, and
> there are hundreds of books that will endorse this.
>
> Science journalist Annie Murphy Paul, author of The Extended Mind, wants
> to dispel us of our brain fixation. It's not that the brain isn't
> important, or even critical, but it isn't acting alone. Paul explores how
> intelligence is tied to the rest of our bodies, to our circumstances and
> the company we keep.”
>
> https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-59/clip/15876815
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>

Re: [Goanet] Surevy on language (Konkani) via Facebook

[Venantius J Pinto]

I participated although for a qualitative survey it is barely so.
Venantius

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 2:41 PM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Melissa Gomes  · 18 August at 22:19  ·
> Hi everyone! My name is Melissa Gomes. I’m a Ph.D. student in Linguistics
> at the University of California in Davis. I’m a Goan-American studying the
> maintenance and/or loss of Konkani in America among Goan-Americans.
> I’m currently working on a project called Konkani in America and am looking
> for Goan-Americans 18 years of age and above to participate in a 5–8 minute
> survey. No knowledge of Konkani is required.
> I’m reaching out to you all because I think some of you might be eligible
> for the study. It would be a huge help to the field and for representation
> of Goan-Americans in the linguistics literature. I’ve attached a flyer with
> the pertinent information and a link to the online survey.
> I've also linked the survey here in case this is easier to access:
> https://tinyurl.com/3zbdzw5z
> Thank you so much for any help! Feel free to email me anytime with
> questions/concerns.
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Re: [Goanet] The True Face of India at its Best (Dhaka Tribune, 6/8/2021)

[Venantius J Pinto]

I am beginning to believe that, we Indians are an unfit society. In the
many doing so; it will help us see our frailties better - the extent to
which we turn a blind eye on most measures of sanity, our wanton hubrises,
as also, the lackadaisical concerns to be treated as human beings!

-venantius j pinto


On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 5:59 AM V M  wrote:

>
> https://www.dhakatribune.com/opinion/op-ed/2021/08/06/op-ed-the-true-face-of-india-at-its-best
>
> Every four years in predictable rotation, the Olympic Games become another
> pearl-clutching moment for India’s chattering classes.
>
> As every day passes, the nation of 1.3 billion continues to fall far down
> the medal standings. At the time of writing, it’s ranked 64th  in Tokyo,
> behind the four-way tie of Kyrgyzstan, Dominican Republic, Colombia and
> Armenia, whose combined population is less than that of Rajasthan.
>
> Zoom into those athletes who do win, and it’s apparent that genuinely
> world-class India is far removed from the images that are usually projected
> by its triumphalist majoritarians.
>
> This is the boxing champion Lovlina Borghoain from Golaghat in Assam, whose
> rural home is reached by a road that was only begun to be paved after she
> was guaranteed a medal.
>
> It is Saikhom Mirabai Chanu of Imphal in Manipur, whose weightlifting
> heroics have made her celebrated as “India’s daughter” by the same
> constituencies that usually treat her people with suspicion for being
> allegedly insufficiently patriotic.
>
> Most compelling is the relentlessly resilient women’s hockey team that
> pulled off one of the greatest upsets in the sport’s history, by holding
> off overwhelmingly favoured Australia to make it into the semi-finals.
>
> Here is the true face of India at its best: former child labourer Neha
> Goyal, Nikki Pradhan whose hometown in Jharkhand is controlled by Maoist
> militias, 21-year-old Lalremsiami of Mizoram, who didn’t speak Hindi or
> English at all when first selected. Their captain Rani Rampal’s father
> pulled handcarts to feed his family.
>
> All these are invisible Indians from the vast silent majority that serves
> the whims and fancies of the urban affluent (who comprise at best one-fifth
> of the country’s population). Once the Olympic Games are over, they will go
> back to being “the servant class.”
>
> In his Mint column this week, Manu Joseph (his 2010 *Serious Men* is one of
> the best novels of the 21st century) struck bullseye by pointing out “the
> very existence of Indian athletes of global calibre is not because of
> India, but in spite of India.”
>
> Joseph says “to be young in India and be talented in any sport other than
> cricket is among the great human misfortunes. The whole nation seems
> designed to treat every Indian as a poor person. Any comfort, even
> air-conditioning, is wrongly perceived by administrators as a luxury. If
> you have ever been on a school or college team, and participated in
> government-run competitions, you will know how gloomy the sports scene is.”
>
> Those responsible for this extraordinarily shabby state of affairs
> constantly make excuses for their incompetence and mismanagement.
>
> As Joseph says, “the talented poor do not know that they deserve better;
> that it is very easy for their nation to organize meets that start on time,
> provide bottled water for every athlete, offer hotel accommodation instead
> of lodging contestants in unused railway compartments, offer shelters so
> that athletes don’t wait for their events in the hot sun, ensure that girls
> are not harassed and no one has to endure the petty politics of sports
> administrators who use sporting federations as spring-boards to low-rung
> politics.”
>
> “Indian nationalism is chiefly about the rich recruiting the poor to do the
> difficult job of making India proud,” concludes Joseph. This leads to a
> grotesque situation, where “one of the most unfit societies in the world,
> with a majority who cannot sprint 50 metres [is] filled with strong
> opinions about athletes who have reached the global stage despite the
> mediocrity of their politicians and administrators.”
>
> That precise scenario has been playing out at length on social media all
> through these Olympics. One set of exchanges on Twitter involved the
> outstanding cricket all-rounder Shikha Pandey (she is the first Air Force
> officer to play for India), who has been posting infectiously enthusiastic
> messages of support to the Olympians.
>
> On July 31, she posted a meme that means “I’ve got my eyes on you” with the
> message: “Indian #olympics women athletes to patriarchy right now…and
> forever.”
>
> Amongst some messages of support came the predictable hate: “Stupid
> westernised bullshi

Re: [Goanet] Dear Stan... the Bombay Jesuits take to rap to make a point.

[Venantius J Pinto]

Thank you, Frederick!
-V

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 6:01 PM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Stan... the Bombay Jesuits take to rap to make a point. #StanSwamy
> https://youtu.be/Zx5VwwXXLPA
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Re: [Goanet] Pope Francis to Undergo Colon Surgery

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hi Frederick,

Truly appreciate your concern on Papal fecal matter/s. Kitem colon!?

Viva,

Venantius J Pinto 


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On 7/4/21, Frederick Noronha  wrote:
> Pope Francis to Undergo Colon Surgery
> It is the first time that Francis has been admitted to a hospital since
> becoming pope in 2013.
>
> Pope Francis delivering prayers on Sunday morning from the window of his
> study at the Vatican.Credit...Andreas Solaro/Agence France-Presse -- Getty
> Images
> By Elisabetta Povoledo
> July 4, 2021Updated 1:11 p.m. ET
>
> ROME — The Vatican announced on Sunday that Pope Francis had been admitted
> to a hospital in Rome for colon surgery.
>
> Matteo Bruni, a Vatican spokesman, said in a statement that Francis, 84,
> had been taken to the Gemelli hospital in the Italian capital. Mr. Bruni
> said the “scheduled surgery” would take place later on Sunday, and noted
> that a medical bulletin would be issued afterward. He said that the pope
> had “symptomatic diverticular stenosis of the colon.”
>
> The surgery would be performed by Dr. Sergio Alfieri, who heads the
> hospital’s complex operational unit for digestive surgery, the Vatican
> said.
>
> It is the first time that Francis has been admitted to a hospital since
> becoming pope in 2013. Unlike his predecessors, he has never left the
> Vatican for the cooler papal residence in Castel Gandolfo, near Rome,
> during the summer. He normally slows down his schedule in July.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/04/world/europe/pope-francis-surgery.html
>
>
>
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-- 
Venantius J Pinto

Re: [Goanet] My Tribute to Lambert Mascarenhas (Anish Esteves)

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hello Anish,
Very graciously written. Thank you.
-Venantius J Pinto

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 3:14 AM Anish Esteves 
wrote:

> A Tribute to Lambert Mascarenhas: Journalist par Excellence
>
>Today, at a time when journalism is passing through turbulent times,
> when media houses are facing huge losses, journalists are being laid off
> and when governments are stifling dissent, the death of Lambert Mascarenhas
> is a huge blow to journalism. Lambert symbolised an era of journalism that
> was intellectual, and in which journalists fearlessly spoke truth to power.
>Born to an illustrious doctor in the quaint sleepy village of Colva in
> Salcete, Goa, Lambert began his early education in Poona. Later, he
> graduated from the prestigious St. Xavier's College, Mumbai in English
> Literature. He began his career reporting for Bombay Standard, after which
> he joined 'Bombay Sentinel' and 'Onlooker'. All hell broke loose in the
> year 1948, when on a visit to Goa, he wrote columns on the political
> situation in Portuguese Goa. Soon, the government took notice of his
> writings and he was sentenced and put in prison.
>One of the crowning moments of his career came in 1956, when he became
> editor of the 'Goan Tribune', succeeding Prof. Aloysius Soares. The Goan
> Tribune espoused the cause of Goa's freedom and Lambert was very passionate
> about this cause. In fact, he vowed not to get married until Goa was
> liberated! Later after Goa's Liberation, Lambert co- founded the 'Navhind
> Times'. As Editor, he was very accommodative and listened to the views of
> his colleagues. In 1966, he founded the monthly magazine 'Goa Today' and
> became its first editor.
>An author of numerous publications, Lambert's most famous work is
> 'Sorrowing Lies my Land'. In this work, he wrote about the so- called
> 'Exodus' of people from Goa, due to unbearable curbs on people's rights and
> of course the
> availability of better life. Ironically, Goa faces an almost similar
> situation even today- migration of people abroad, the defections of elected
> representatives, corruption, false promises, neglect et cetera. Overall,
> his articles revealed a deep understanding of issues that plagued Goa and
> provided for good insights.
>A recipient of myriad awards, Lambert was awarded the Laxmidas Borkar
> Memorial Award for journalism in 2004. He has also been awarded Goa's
> highest civilian award, the Gomant Vibhushan, besides, the Padma Shri, the
> fourth highest civilian award of India, in the year 2015.
>Mascarenhas leaves behind a rich legacy of journalism that very few
> people can match. May his soul rest in peace!
>
> Anish Esteves
>

Re: [Goanet] Wake Up India, Smell The Kenyan Coffee

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hello Tony,

Splendid interjection of the Descartes quote.

Rock on baby!

-Venantius

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 2:53 AM Tony de Sa  wrote:

> Roland Francis: << A few facts you otherwise wouldn?t believe;>>
>
> I used to follow Shekhar Gupta but gave up after finding that he is
> increasingly becoming pro Establishment.
>
> Tony de Sa
>
> Conquer yourself rather than the world
>
> Rene Descartes
>

Re: [Goanet] Unmasking The Death Count

[Venantius J Pinto]

Emotionally sick dastards. Lovelorn in their pride to wipe away any and all
forms of opposition. Even whores have prides; and, not even cannibals eat
their own.

Venantius J Pinto


On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 10:26 AM Aloysius D'Souza 
wrote:

> Thanks Roland
>
> The same thing is happening here in India --  probably in Goa also  --  but
> there was a news video showing cremations taking place in Delhi  --  one
> pyre against another with little space to walk between -- far more that the
> fixed steel cradles permanently fixed for cremations
>
> The government officials were registering the deaths as being due to
> "fever" not "covid"
>
> Our P M and our CM have a lot to answer !!!
>
> To whom !!
>
> Regards
>
> Aloysius
>
> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:51 PM Roland Francis 
> wrote:
>
> > When will Indian experts do what the two Mexicans did?
> >
> > How two young math geeks solved the mystery of Mexico City’s covid-19
> dead
> > Everyone suspected Mexico City's coronavirus death count was too low. Two
> > citizen sleuths unearthed the startling truth.
> > By Mary Beth Sheridan
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/03/mexico-coronavirus-excess-death/
> >
> > Roland
> > Toronto.
> >
> >
>

Re: [Goanet] Americans die younger...

[Venantius J Pinto]

I am one among the Americans! To also mean, the facts are true; and
furthermore to suggest that all consider ardently reach out to the Maker
for blessings and mercies.

Those who live under extenuating circumstances have a lot to contend with.
Others not so, or not as much.

Many have the whole package - to mean: life’s journeys, children, success,
trips and all the more. They deserve all and more. All good.

Rock on!

Venantius J Pinto


On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 2:18 PM Gabe Menezes  wrote:

>
> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/04/why-do-americans-die-earlier-than-europeans
>

Re: [Goanet] Bohemian Rhapsody Played by 100+ year old fairground organ

[Venantius J Pinto]

Thank you, Fred!

-V

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 10:46 AM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://youtu.be/JTnGI6Knw5Q?list=RDP_df0ecSGh8
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Re: [Goanet] 40% percent of Blacks unemployed.

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hello Gabes,

Reflections are a mainstay of our being. Snd helpful to reset our errant
selves! Yet, screw the stats. Do they truly matter?! We are past that
point.

You made a life in the UK. Kids and all. Let all else subside. Most of yohh
UN are sharp! Pointing out the US merely amounts to a soft pay on the back.
If that matters, then,  well ok.

Venantius


On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:53 PM Gabe Menezes  wrote:

> I wonder what the stats for Blacks in USABetter to be unemployed than
> shot dead. USA gives me the creeps, Police draw their guns at will. Having
> seen on the News channels how the Police in the USA opetate is scary. Both
> my wife and I are glad we didn't take up the offer of a job in NYK.!
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/11/black-youth-unemployment-rate-brixton-riots-covid
>

Re: [Goanet] Konkani Basic Word List (Translated by Isidore Dantas)

[Venantius J Pinto]

Good on Isidore Dantas for putting together a list of Konkani vocabulary.
Sadly, there is no way to escape grammar, and the ability to conjugate.
Best all. -V


On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 3:33 PM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a Konkani Basic Word List (PDF) attached... and would like to
> experiment if this could make language learning easier. Konkani is a
> language spoken on the west coast of India.
> https://archive.org/details/konkani-basic-word-list
> (CLICK ON THE PDF format at the right, and download in this version. Open
> as a PDF file.)
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>

Re: [Goanet] With new OCI notification, India has ended its experiment with dual citizenship

[Venantius J Pinto]

Never a dull moment! It appears that the cannibals have gone/are going
after their own too—the lack of love would affect them too! (?)
-vjp


On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 4:50 PM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> https://scroll.in/global/988721/with-new-oci-notification-india-has-ended-its-experiment-with-dual-citizenship
> (Thanks to Lui for drawing attention to the link)
> --
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>
>
> - *"Debt is how the rich extract wealth from the rest of us, at home and
> abroad." David Graeber*
>

Re: [Goanet] BABUSH MONSERRATE MUST STOP LYING AND START INTROSPECTING

[Venantius J Pinto]

For the longest time barring some caveats I appreciate Adv. Aires'
perspective and opinions; although I do not say so. Those misgivings do not
suggest anything more than some degree of my artistic iconoclasm.

In my opinion, it's best to avoid sharing such knowledge as an imperative.
Besides, to root such thoughts in Goan minds it would be helpful that they
are posted in Konkani in Konkani fora. I hope that is happening. Even
perhaps posted on Village bulletin boards (if they exist). Who does that?
Well, that needs a measure of concern; and I have always pointed out that
it's easy to talk from afar, as I am doing. Still, a decent idea is just
that, it's a decent idea which someone may/ could capitalize upon. People
are desperate, including artists.

Sogle khuxil munis aplem ani apleachem mund (root) ghott korpa' aaxen, aplo
nangor (anchor) devointa. Vavurtat zoxxe Vauraddea aplo cruz khandear gheun
dispotto-igraz choloitat. Khuinch nodrent dovornem disonam!
<https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01IeD6_s4Y2sQTAqLODv1agi2FasA:1614542216558=univ=isch=Vauraddeanche+Ixtt=firefox-b-1-d=X=2ahUKEwiitqu6ro3vAhUMnFkKHUr1AuQQjJkEegQIAhAB>As
I learnt the hard way that work, including artistic labor has to be
supported with remuneration. Not pats on the back, not usal/ misal, or
choris pav, a fancy meal, liquor, nor a free F**K either. Almost always it
is the trickster who wins; besides they come in many guises. And keep
pushing goalposts. I was told: But how can we pay you in Indian rates. But
the Fkers cannot ask, cannot offer -- their modus operandi (look at those
words very closely and more of the today shall be revealed). Modu + randi,
and I respect randi. Having fun, Goenkarano?

They prepare the desired victim towards the altar.. Designers should stop
painting, hold on to their work, and obtain advance money for scanning
etc.; and at the very least give say a few days a week, a set number of
hours per week; yet benefit if not monetarily then by materials, and
specific opportunities. The driver has to be the artists. No, couldha,
woulda, shoudha!

Ask if it's unclear, and I shall share my thoughts on the process. It is
better to sell misal pav as my seniors are doing then allows one's skills
to be manipulated.

"It's better to light a candle than curse the darkness."


Venantius J Pinto
New York



On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 1:50 AM Aires Rodrigues 
wrote:

> Babush Monserrate’s statement that he changed his candidate in Ward no 29
> in Ribandar as Shailesh Salgaonkar was busy with his art profession is an
> absolute lie. Our dear friend Shailesh is a self employed very good artist
> who has dedicatedly campaigned for Babush Monserrate vigorously in the last
> two CCP elections.
>
> Babush Monserrate promised to make him a candidate and after officially
> announcing his name conveniently dumped him like a hot potato. This comes
> as no surprise as Babush Monserrate in known to use and abandon people.
> Just three days ago Babush Monserrate had falsely told a Marathi newspaper
> that Shailesh Salgaonkar had decided not to contest for health reasons.
>
> And will Babush Monserrate please tell us that if  a self employed Shailesh
> Salgaonkar would not find time to serve the people, how will his other
> candidate in Ward No 30 do justice to her ward who being a school teacher
> at Navelim in South Goa leaving early morning and returning late evening?
>
> Babush Monserrate seems to be forgetting what he speaks. Just a few weeks
> ago he had vowed that the outgoing Mayor Uday Madkaikar would not be given
> a ticket.
>
> The Panaji MLA must come to terms with the fact that the now inevitable
> defeat of his complete panel will start in Ward No 1at Dona Paula and the
> mission will complete at Ward No 30 in Ribandar.
>
> Aires Rodrigues
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com
>
>  Or
>
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>
> You can also reach me on
>
> Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues
>
> Twitter@rodrigues_aires
>
>
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>

Re: [Goanet] POLITICIANS SHOULD DELIVER ON PROMISES OR QUIT

[Venantius J Pinto]

Excuse typos and and grammatical error. I meant to say “against” not
“alongside!” Saiba pav.

On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 3:39 AM Venantius J Pinto 
wrote:

> Hi Roland!
>
> You are spot on. Getting elected and serving faithfully are entirely
> opposite constructs; besides, more often than not antithetical to their
> lived aesthetics of being. A sick existentialism we may truthfully say.
>
> It is pointless and dispares to Goan sensibilities to keep sounding the
> same damru. Screw should. Or Thought thought it had farted but realized it
> had shat. Osli ghott!
>
> No one thus far has quit on being made aware by any means, that he/she
> lied.
>
> Moving on, I truly believe that had Goans rooted for the AAP and pushed
> Goa Suraj to form an alliance with the former--it would have created an
> intriguing conundrum. It would have created a "Loka," which in Sanskrit
> etymologically means 'a field for experiencing,' but often the poor English
> translation "the world" prevails. Truth needs entry points. Sometimes one
> has to share space and this was the time, but to do that awareness must be
> sought. Strategically it was worth bringing in the hard nosed bhaiyyas**
> (and please no one tell me to be PC) on your side to fight alongside the
> dastards who keep dicking Goans around, including those who were earlier in
> power.
>
> They won because many of our guys were singing pointless praises/ cozying
> up to politicians who were in the initial process to turn Goa in a lab
> without the gore. Really, did they even look at those eyes. Blind
> christians?
>
> But ot do I know, me poor intuit! :)
>
>
> Venantius J Pinto
> New York
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 3:52 PM Roland Francis 
> wrote:
>
>> You take the word of criminals and hoodlums and live on their promises
>> for however short a time?
>>
>> Roland.
>> Toronto.
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 21, 2021, at 2:17 PM, Aires Rodrigues 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > In what has now become a ritual, it’s another six months extension for
>> > those Casinos which, with political patronage are well established and
>> > rooted in the River Mandovi. In May 2019 during that Panaji by-election
>> > Babush Monserrate had solemnly promised that if elected he would move
>> the
>> > Casinos out of the River Mandovi within 100 days. In an expected U-turn
>> the
>> > Panaji MLA now says that he has studied the Casino issue and that the
>> > Casinos are here to stay. So did Babush Monserrate make that promise
>> > without any application of mind? Why should anyone trust any other
>> promise
>> > that he makes. It was also very unfair on his part to blame the Traffic
>> > Police for the mayhem the Casino vehicles create in the city. The CCP
>> which
>> > is controlled by him is responsible for the organized chaos that Goa’s
>> > capital city finds itself enveloped in.
>> >
>> > If Vishwajit Rane could move that proposed mega IIT project out of
>> Melauli,
>> > so could Babush Monserrate if he was truly committed to send the Casinos
>> > for a sixer in 100 days. But that assurance of his was to fool the
>> voters
>> > of Panaji and fetch votes while he never ever intended to fulfill that
>> > promise.
>> >
>> > It was announced recently that one Casino was being moved to the other
>> side
>> > of the River and that the Casino offices in the city would all be
>> relocated
>> > to the Santa Monica Jetty. All this too is a fairy tale that will
>> hoodwink
>> > no one.  Panaji’s entire D.B.Bandodkar Marg is a no parking zone, except
>> > for the privileged Casino vehicles.
>> >
>> > When he was the Leader of the Opposition Manohar Parrikar had
>> consistently
>> > and vehemently opposed Casinos while branding them as a ‘social evil’
>> and
>> > had vowed to throw them out if he came to power. Manohar Parrikar had
>> > branded Casinos as "dens of vice” and had even led an agitation to
>> demand
>> > their closure.
>> >
>> > But after coming to Power the BJP has since fallen in love with the
>> Casino
>> > brigade which is now getting the government’s total patronage and
>> profuse
>> > support. While the BJP is feasting and making merry with the abundant
>> funds
>> > flowing from the Casinos, Goa has sadly become the country’s gambling
>> hub
>> > with the allied vices of prostitution and narcotics trade also
>> flourishing
>> > by the day while the crime graph is also 

Re: [Goanet] Texas plight

[Venantius J Pinto]

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-vjp


-vjp

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 4:02 PM Venantius J Pinto 
wrote:

> Isn’t Texas the only state that is not on the Federal grid. There is a lot
> of analysis spelling out on what transpired over the years, including when
> Governor Bush was in office; and continues. Worth looking at least at
> Democracy Now, with Amy Goodman .
>
> -vjp
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:28 PM Gabe Menezes 
> wrote:
>
>> Power slowly coming back but  water shortages.  The Republican  Governor
>> blamed the power shortages on iced up turbines. Actually poor maintenance
>> of gas and coal. Another Republican said: Texans would rather suffer than
>> surrender to the Federal government. In the meantime the Governor asked
>> for
>> Federal aid!
>>
>> DEV BOREM KORUM.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021, 18:18 Frederick Noronha, <
>> fredericknoron...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Just heard a report about the Texas weather on the BBC. While the worst
>> of
>> > the cold is over, the impact will be around for some time to come, says
>> the
>> > radio station. Looks pretty bleak. Any reports from there? FN
>> > --
>> > FN* फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا‎ +91-9822122436  Just
>> >
>>
>

Re: [Goanet] Texas plight

[Venantius J Pinto]

Isn’t Texas the only state that is not on the Federal grid. There is a lot
of analysis spelling out on what transpired over the years, including when
Governor Bush was in office; and continues. Worth looking at least at
Democracy Now, with Amy Goodman .

-vjp


On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:28 PM Gabe Menezes  wrote:

> Power slowly coming back but  water shortages.  The Republican  Governor
> blamed the power shortages on iced up turbines. Actually poor maintenance
> of gas and coal. Another Republican said: Texans would rather suffer than
> surrender to the Federal government. In the meantime the Governor asked for
> Federal aid!
>
> DEV BOREM KORUM.
>
>
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021, 18:18 Frederick Noronha,  >
> wrote:
>
> > Just heard a report about the Texas weather on the BBC. While the worst
> of
> > the cold is over, the impact will be around for some time to come, says
> the
> > radio station. Looks pretty bleak. Any reports from there? FN
> > --
> > FN* फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا‎ +91-9822122436  Just
> >
>

[Goanet] Press note issued in the press conference at New Delhi on 19th February 2021

[Venantius J Pinto]

All India Kisan Sabha
36 Pt. Ravi Shankar Shukla Lane (Canning Lane)
New Delhi-1, email- kisansa...@gmail.com

Press note issued in the press conference at New Delhi on 19th February 2021

Repeal Pro-Corporate Farm Acts
Ensure Legal Guarantee for MSP
Enact Alternative Laws to Protect Farmers’ Interest

The success of the 6th February Chakka Jam and 18th February Rail Roko has
effectively manifested the pan India character of the ongoing farmers’
struggle and sounds a warning to the Modi-led BJP Government. AIKS demands
that the Modi Government should give up its arrogance, repeal the 3 Farm
Acts, withdraw the amendments to the Electricity Act, make MSP@C2+50% a
legal right with guaranteed procurement for all crops across the country
and amend the anti-farmer clauses in the Pollution Ordinance 2020
immediately. All cases foisted on farmers and leaders of farmers
organizations, journalists and others must be unconditionally withdrawn to
resolve the genuine issues raised by the farmers struggle.

The PM while speaking in both the Rajya Sabha and the Lok Sabha had accused
the protesting farmers of not being ready for reforms and standing for
maintaining the status quo. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Farmers are opposing the pro-corporate reforms and stand for pro-farmer
reforms. The PM is deliberately trying to misguide the people due to his
adamant pro-corporate bias.

The Prime Ministers comment that ‘MSP was there, is there and will remain
there is part of a deliberate campaign to misguide the people. Narendra
Modi and the BJP had promised MSP by ensuring 50% profit above cost of
production in the 2014 Lok Sabha election manifesto, as per the
recommendation of the National Commission for Farmers that was headed by Dr
M S Swaminathan. During the last 7 years in power, the PM did not implement
this promise and is hence directly responsible for the ongoing farmers
struggle.

The existing rate of MSP based on A2+FL calculation is not remunerative and
according to reports only 6% of the farm produce based on the estimate of
Gross Value Added (GVA) has been procured by the Government by providing
this meager MSP. Hence huge majority of the farmers are forced to sell far
below the announced rate of MSP, making MSP only notional for the vast
majority. For example the rate of MSP for paddy is Rs 1868 per quintal but
farmers in Bihar, Jharkhand and many other states get only Rs 800 to Rs
1200 per quintal. It is significant that the LDF Government in Kerala
provides Rs 2850 per quintal for paddy with assured procurement with the
support of the cooperative sector.

The benefit of surplus created out of value addition of farm produce is
amassed by the corporate companies. For example, the farmers receive price
at the range of Rs 18 to Rs 30 per kilo from the intermediaries for Basmati
paddy while the branded Fortune Special Basmati Rice of the Adani group is
being sold at the price of Rs.208 per kilo.  Some of the brands are sold in
the range of Rs 700 to Rs 2200 per kilo. Likewise, in the coffee belt the
farmers get Rs 120 to Rs 130 per kilo for coffee beans while the corporate
sector sells instant coffee powder at an average of Rs 3000 per kilo.
Certain brands of coffee like Nestle Blend 37 and Nescafe Gold Organic were
being sold at around 12,000/Kg a few months back and even now are being
sold at Rs.8,000/- to about Rs.10,000/Kg.

This sort of loot and exploitation by the corporate sector and their
intermediaries in the market is one of the main reasons for the widespread
indebtedness of the peasant households and the resultant massive peasant
suicides. Every hour two farmers are committing suicide in India and 2468
peasants per day are forced to give up agriculture.

In the context of the ongoing farmers struggle, AIKS demands that the Union
Government consider the following

The Union Government after consulting all the State Governments must bring
the law for MSP@C2+50% for all crops across the country with guaranteed
procurement to ensure MSP as the right of the farmers.
The primary responsibility to provide MSP@C2+50% lies on those entities
that procure the produce from the farmers. These entities earn income and
profit and sustain out of the trading and processing of farm produce and
marketing of value added consumer products. The MSP law must make them
liable to share certain percentage of the surplus with the primary
producers. Hence, the State Governments should enact a law with the clauses
that make it essential for the agro processing industries, trade and market
enterprises in the private, public and cooperative sectors  to share the
surplus they acquire through trade and value addition with the respective
farmers to ensure MSP@C2+50% . Noncompliance shall be treated as an
offence.
The state legislation should include clauses to promote non-profitable
social cooperative institutions of peasants and workers to promote
collective cultivation, procure and trade stock, undertake agro-processing

[Goanet] Indian Christian Women’s Movement stand with the farmers

[Venantius J Pinto]

ICWM stands with the farmers

 Indian Christian Women's Movement (ICWM)
Email: icwmja...@gmail.com; Website: www.icwmindia.org
Twitter: @icwm_india, Tel: +91 9445567405, +91 9820448542
4th February, 2021

To
Shri Narendra Modi
Prime Minister of India

Dear Sir,
We watched with shock the unfolding events in New Delhi on 26th January
2021.  And now we gaze in horror at the barbed wire and cemented barricades
at the Ghazipur and Tikri borders and at the steel lathis that have
replaced the wooden lathis in the hands of the police. Are we fighting
India’s enemies with such a display of power or the citizens of this
country who are trying in vain to reach out to their government?
In fact, the 26th Jan clash between the farmers and the police took place
in the context of the almost two-month long peaceful protests by farmers.
Their demand? A repeal of three new farm laws passed hurriedly by the
government without due constitutional and democratic procedure. The farmers
on Delhi’s borders protested peacefully, braving the bitter cold through
December 2020 and January 2021. The Delhi police had agreed to an alternate
celebration of people’s nationalism with a tractor display by the farmers,
immediately after the government display of India’s military power in the
official Republic Day celebration! The tractor rally was also peaceful
until miscreants were let loose upon them on 26th Jan to tarnish their
reputation for exemplary non-violent resistance.
Our farmers are the back bone of our economy. No farmers, no food. It’s
extremely critical that we listen to our farmers as they share their
concerns on how the 3 laws will affect them, as well as all of us, who rely
on them for our staple diet.
Several rounds of talks have failed. Is it too much to ask our Prime
Minister to meet the people who till the land and feed the country, listen
to their grievances and consider a roll-back? The confrontation could have
easily been resolved and the nation saved from this Republic day show down.
The farmers expected nothing less than understanding and sensitivity from
their government. At the end of the day the law is made for humanity and
not humanity for the law.  The farmers with dignity have continued to
insist that their protest will be sustained till the laws are repealed.
As a Christian women’s group, we would like to highlight the innumerable
hardships faced by women farmers who are working shoulder to shoulder in
the farm sector, facing many challenges and equally demanding repeal of the
laws. Today as the barricades deny them basic access to clean water for
cooking, bathing and their basic needs, these women face intense hardships
merely for exercising their democratic right to protest.
In this context, we the women representing all the Protestant and Catholic
churches, demand:
• That the three contested Farm laws are repealed and new laws formulated
in consultation with the representatives of the farmers.
• That the protesting farmers be compensated for the time lost from
agricultural activity.
• A fair and impartial investigation into the collapse of law and order in
the national capital on Republic Day.
• That all false cases registered against the protestors and journalists be
dropped forthwith.
• That problems are resolved by breaking barriers rather than by building
new ones.
Our farmers have never failed our nation through the last 71 years. Please
do not fail them now.
Seeking justice,

Dr Aruna Gnanadason, ICWM National Convener,
National Team Members: Dr Kochurani Abraham, Marcia D'Cunha, Rev Dr
Jayachitra Lalitha, Dr Joycia Thorat, Dr Lalnghakthuami, Sushma Ramswami,
Sr Julie George & members of the Indian Christian Women’s Movement

Re: [Goanet] To Konkani & English Experts

[Venantius J Pinto]

Heard, Sonia.

Just before the road turns to enter Batim, on the way towards Agacaim,
there is a  roofed 'chapel'/shrine, I have seen a few similar others. I
guess the word sanctuario is not used in Goa, or never was?!

I believe and not to argue but gotto perhaps was unwittingly employed
homonymously. Still, I take your point about grotto, and it being new.

I am aware that you are a writer, and it logically follows - an expert;
which I respect.
I keep improving my Konkani by speaking to myself. : )

vjp

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On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 4:07 AM Sonia Gomes  wrote:

> Thank you Venantius, it is just a small intervention. As I said small
> roadside shrines in our village are called Khuris, regardless of which
> saint is in the small niche. I think it is all over Salcete. Grotto is very
> new and called grotto no translation!
>
> Warm wishes
>
> Sonia
>
> On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 03:14, Venantius J Pinto 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Sonia,
> > Appreciate your intervention. All helps when done in grace.
> > vjp
> >
> > <
> >
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> >
> > On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 12:21 PM Sonia Gomes  wrote:
> >
> > > The Konkani word for chapel as we know is kopel (NOT Kopal),
> previously/
> > > "copel."
> > > Kopal is the forehead!
> > >
> > > Chapel > Portuguese Capela > Capilla Spanish.
> > >
> > > There a large chapels too. For example Capela de Livramento Benaulim,
> In
> > > Benaulim most of the Chapels are large.
> > > Roadside chapels would be shrines, they are not Kopellam but Khuris.
> > >
> > > Grotto in Konkani, is quite possibly Grotto in Konkani too.
> > > Gotto (the same word as for a cowshed,
> > > crib, or as we grew up hearing: stable).
> > >
> > > This is how it is in my part.
> > >
> > > Warm wishes
> > >
> > > Sonia
> > >
> > > +
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 at 13:06, Venantius J Pinto <
> > venantius.pi...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Worth interacting with Vavraddeancho Ixtt, Pilar, or TSKK, Porvorim!
> > > >
> > > > The Konkani word for chapel as we know is kopel (NOT Kopal),
> > previously/
> > > > "copel." In the earlier orthography there was no "k," along with a
> > couple
> > > > of other letters. In any case Kopal is a first for me. Perhaps gone
> > under
> > > > my radar. Indeed, bring in the experts! There are many who have to be
> > > > approached.
> > > >
> > > > Chapel > Portuguese, Capilla > Konkani Copel/ now Kopel. A chapel
> small
> > > as
> > > > it is, a smaller one would be an oratory but there is no specific
> > > dimension
> > > > other than what it is attached to, or whether it is stand alone on
> the
> > > > narrow village paths. now, roads or leading into villages. In Goa
> it's
> > > all
> > > > small > Just perhaps somewhere such distinctions are made.
> > > >
> > > > Grotto in Konkani, is quite possibly gotto (the same word as for a
> > > cowshed,
> > > > crib, or as we grew up hearing: stable). Hopefully this will inspire
> > > > someone to contribute from their largesse  indeed, of knowledge.
> > > >
> > > > +
> > > > My mother always referred to the grotto at the OL of Dolors Church,
> > > Wadala,
> > > > as gotto. Very little education due to extenuating circumstances,
> yet,
> > > the
> > > > old gal knew a thing or two about words, as I do in other areas and
> > > > languages. She may have been wrong, and anyway passed away last year
> > > > stumped short of 90. Loved my cribs and the backdrops I painted in
> the
> > > > smaller of the two spaces. Worlds lost, little worlds that assisted
> me
> > in
> > > > my visual magic. And proverbs a

Re: [Goanet] From Grotto to Copel to Gotto or the Manger

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hello Sonia!

Although I know a thing or two — I really appreciate you for your gracious
intervention. There are some interesting pages, wikis, articles on
Portuguese orthography including as in the former Portuguese colonies.

I personally use the ‘c’ for copel.

Btw, a few times while living in Bombay I recollect distinctly hearing
Goans also say Hampri. And that diminutive of sorts ka/ hapullo (spelling?!)

Cafre if I recollect is coffee which I’d order on my one trip to Lisbon for
the Goan conference. Perhaps also used to convey blackness.

Consider a Konkani abecedary with such unique or rather unusual words. At
the risk of sounding daft, Let me mention that I am a very good
illustrator/artist ... for design visual organs likd book covers, etc.

‘Mhoje-xim Uloila’/m mhun tujem borem zanv!

Venantius


On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 4:07 AM Sonia Gomes  wrote:

> Another tiny intervention. The K is not used only C. Even now Portuguese
> use only C; K is for words of foreign origin. Kapri comes from Cafre which
> is Black.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sonia
>
> On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 02:46, Venantius J Pinto 
> wrote:
>
> > She was my mother, who made it to a few months short of 90. Perhaps I
> > erred!  All cool.
> >
> > Certainly, await the real experts, besides it’s good academic form. In
> the
> > meanwhile if worth the while - consider other dimensions that I pointed
> > out, including to look into the orthographic changes which happened in
> the
> > early part of the nineteenth century. Different tongues had their
> > abecedarian variants. Slight but significant to the nuanced ear. By then
> it
> > goes the way of the mass. The crispness so to speak in certain langu
> >
> > Those who knew English had seen a “k,”and by knowing it, were in all
> > probability not shy in employing it. Others would have been less
> eclectic,
> > read errant too, and more fastidious in avoiding its usage. Some never
> knew
> > that changes had occurred nor were told way later. Yet others had private
> > tutors, family chapels and other accoutrements on their plane of
> existence.
> > Zoi zoi, to that!
> >
> > We have a small ivory baby Jesu with tiny gold lacing around its wrists,
> > ankles, neck and waist. Perhaps others have one two. I think of it often,
> > never of owning works by our famous and celebrated artists. To my mind we
> > were nobodies, other than having a Grand Uncle priest who delivered
> sermons
> > on radio. But I can own sounds, a few words, inflections, snippets of
> life
> > - and make them my own.
> >
> > Extrapolation from the original topic which had its own streams of
> > thought?! Yes and no. And it’s Khapri/ also Kappiri. In fairness this
> > awareness is on tap.
> >
> > What St. Francis built would have been referred by him in his native
> > tongue. Our ancestors accordingly could have used the Portuguese word
> > “capela” for whatever length of time and on account of whatever
> inclination
> > before arriving at “copel.” Perhaps even momentarily  “deul.” Researchers
> > make correlations. Even a freaking bone found may things in another
> > direction. Everything adds to someone’s living. We simply must observe
> and
> > age gracefully. I am indeed trying.
> >
> > I could be imaging things. The decent unto death may have begun! Lots to
> > say but 
> >
> > Best all.
> >
> >
> > Venantius J Pinto
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 1:53 PM Adolfo Mascarenhas 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >  Message: 4   Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 02:06:15 -0500
> > > From: Venantius J Pinto 
> > >
> > > Dear Venantius thank you for the  detailed explanation extending all
> the
> > > way to your 95 years old Grandmother Even for people who have not
> > gone
> > > to school, they used their God Given brains.
> > >
> > > There were so many dimensions to your response, like no K but C
> .(so
> > > where did the Word Kapri in Konkoni originate If off the cuff you could
> > > tell me so much I am wondering what the real experts will tell me
> > > including a fellow who just has added Dr...to his name
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > In a sense my question was related to the Estate with Quepem and
> > > Outside Denisha sent me a picture of the  intended Gatto  ..
> > >
> > > :But it does not stop there what did St Francis build in Kilwa
> > > .a Copel ..I  know that the Moslems build Two huge mosques
> > >
> > > Thank you for your patience  may you be saved from evil mayors
> > > and that friend of Trump called Dinesh
> > >
> > >
> > > Grandolfo
> > >
> > > In safe Makongo Juu ...Dar es Salaam
> > >
> > >  To: "Goa's premiere m. 1994!"  Cc:
> > "To:
> > > Goanet Org" , Frederick Noronha   <
> > > fredericknoron...@gmail.com>,  Roland Francis<
> > > roland.fran...@gmail.com>, Lorraine Dias 
> > > Subject: Re: [Goanet] To Konkani & English Experts
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <
> > > caoy3ljnanqdnoeucxmh7hlv-kt0nmypc6owbuqcoye5ulnl...@mail.gmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Goanet] From Grotto to Copel to Gotto or the Manger

[Venantius J Pinto]

And for what it is worth on the Manger :: stable!
The following article is 6 years old. Helps to a tad open, soaking in the
ginyaan/ gnyan!
Somzovnni!

Jesus was not born in a stable, says theologian
Rev Ian Paul writes on his blog that birth of Christ story is based on a
misreading of the New Testament
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/23/jesus-christ-not-born-in-stable-theologian-new-testament

+++
Extrapolation ALERT.
Voi, Saiba bhogos!
My visual focus and understanding for three decades has stemmed from
looking at religion, sexuality and consciousness. I didn't know then, I was
overreaching; Still, looking down these ways and within them has afforded
moments of insight. I look around now, somebody shares thoughts or a book
(although the days of buying are over). Yet, I stand and watch through my
understanding of Jeremiah 6:16.
16 Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old
paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for
your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Rev Ian Paul's blog Psephizo
https://www.psephizo.com/biblical-studies/jesus-really-wasnt-born-in-a-stable/
"My blog is called *Psephizo*, using the Greek verb meaning ‘to calculate’,
‘work out’ or ‘reckon’—my American friends might translate this as ‘go
figure’ or ‘do the math’. The word only occurs twice in the New Testament,
once in Luke 14.28 <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%2014.28> in his
version of Jesus’ warning to reckon the cost of discipleship before
embarking on it, and in Rev 13.18 <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rev%2013.18>
(seen here in Codex Sinaiticus <http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/>)
perhaps the most notorious verse in the Bible! It is related to the word
*psephos* meaning ‘pebble’, which would have been used to do such
calculations, and also occurs only in Luke and Revelation (suggesting a
surprising link between the two texts, supported by other links), being the
‘white stone with a new name’ in Rev 2.17
<https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rev%202.17>"
https://www.psephizo.com/about/
+++

And, nothing should stop anyone from thinking of their next crib.


Venantius J Pinto




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Re: [Goanet] To Konkani & English Experts

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hello Sonia,
Appreciate your intervention. All helps when done in grace.
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On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 12:21 PM Sonia Gomes  wrote:

> The Konkani word for chapel as we know is kopel (NOT Kopal), previously/
> "copel."
> Kopal is the forehead!
>
> Chapel > Portuguese Capela > Capilla Spanish.
>
> There a large chapels too. For example Capela de Livramento Benaulim, In
> Benaulim most of the Chapels are large.
> Roadside chapels would be shrines, they are not Kopellam but Khuris.
>
> Grotto in Konkani, is quite possibly Grotto in Konkani too.
> Gotto (the same word as for a cowshed,
> crib, or as we grew up hearing: stable).
>
> This is how it is in my part.
>
> Warm wishes
>
> Sonia
>
> +
>
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 at 13:06, Venantius J Pinto 
> wrote:
>
> > Worth interacting with Vavraddeancho Ixtt, Pilar, or TSKK, Porvorim!
> >
> > The Konkani word for chapel as we know is kopel (NOT Kopal), previously/
> > "copel." In the earlier orthography there was no "k," along with a couple
> > of other letters. In any case Kopal is a first for me. Perhaps gone under
> > my radar. Indeed, bring in the experts! There are many who have to be
> > approached.
> >
> > Chapel > Portuguese, Capilla > Konkani Copel/ now Kopel. A chapel small
> as
> > it is, a smaller one would be an oratory but there is no specific
> dimension
> > other than what it is attached to, or whether it is stand alone on the
> > narrow village paths. now, roads or leading into villages. In Goa it's
> all
> > small > Just perhaps somewhere such distinctions are made.
> >
> > Grotto in Konkani, is quite possibly gotto (the same word as for a
> cowshed,
> > crib, or as we grew up hearing: stable). Hopefully this will inspire
> > someone to contribute from their largesse  indeed, of knowledge.
> >
> > +
> > My mother always referred to the grotto at the OL of Dolors Church,
> Wadala,
> > as gotto. Very little education due to extenuating circumstances, yet,
> the
> > old gal knew a thing or two about words, as I do in other areas and
> > languages. She may have been wrong, and anyway passed away last year
> > stumped short of 90. Loved my cribs and the backdrops I painted in the
> > smaller of the two spaces. Worlds lost, little worlds that assisted me in
> > my visual magic. And proverbs abounded in our home. Yeah!
> >
> > An aside and tangential here: Very few words are directly cognate (Many
> > thousands from English into Spanish) - and many others sound close but
> mean
> > different.
> > +
> >
> > Anyway!
> >
> > Venantius J Pinto
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:25 PM Adolfo Mascarenhas 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I need help. I do not want to cross swords with the Clergy in Goaland.
> > > The Clergy can have a big say about a Kopal .the edifice can also
> be
> > > used to collect funds.
> > >
> > > There is a great deal of difference between a Chapel or KOPAL and what
> in
> > > English is called a Grotto  .I have no idea what the Konkoni word is
> for
> > > GROTTO
> > > Even an individual family. ;like in  .BRAZ VILLA, in Upanga Dar es
> > Salaam,
> > > in the Garden the garden of the Dias family, they have built a
> Grotto.  I
> > > have not heard that there was ever a Ladahin said .
> > > Stay Safe
> > >
> > > Grandolfo
> > > In Makongo Juu
> > >
> > > In Fatima ...Our Lady appeared in a dry land, a Grotto was built
> > > subsequently I think /
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Goanet] Goan Clubs in Bombay

[Venantius J Pinto]

Thank you, Maria Fatima!
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On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 2:16 PM Maria Fatima Pais 
wrote:

> A Documentary on Goan Clubs in Bombay
>
> https://youtu.be/YTYE1WGcTdI
>
> Regards
>
> Maria Fatima Pais
>

Re: [Goanet] From Grotto to Copel to Gotto or the Manger

[Venantius J Pinto]

She was my mother, who made it to a few months short of 90. Perhaps I
erred!  All cool.

Certainly, await the real experts, besides it’s good academic form. In the
meanwhile if worth the while - consider other dimensions that I pointed
out, including to look into the orthographic changes which happened in the
early part of the nineteenth century. Different tongues had their
abecedarian variants. Slight but significant to the nuanced ear. By then it
goes the way of the mass. The crispness so to speak in certain langu

Those who knew English had seen a “k,”and by knowing it, were in all
probability not shy in employing it. Others would have been less eclectic,
read errant too, and more fastidious in avoiding its usage. Some never knew
that changes had occurred nor were told way later. Yet others had private
tutors, family chapels and other accoutrements on their plane of existence.
Zoi zoi, to that!

We have a small ivory baby Jesu with tiny gold lacing around its wrists,
ankles, neck and waist. Perhaps others have one two. I think of it often,
never of owning works by our famous and celebrated artists. To my mind we
were nobodies, other than having a Grand Uncle priest who delivered sermons
on radio. But I can own sounds, a few words, inflections, snippets of life
- and make them my own.

Extrapolation from the original topic which had its own streams of
thought?! Yes and no. And it’s Khapri/ also Kappiri. In fairness this
awareness is on tap.

What St. Francis built would have been referred by him in his native
tongue. Our ancestors accordingly could have used the Portuguese word
“capela” for whatever length of time and on account of whatever inclination
before arriving at “copel.” Perhaps even momentarily  “deul.” Researchers
make correlations. Even a freaking bone found may things in another
direction. Everything adds to someone’s living. We simply must observe and
age gracefully. I am indeed trying.

I could be imaging things. The decent unto death may have begun! Lots to
say but 

Best all.


Venantius J Pinto


On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 1:53 PM Adolfo Mascarenhas  wrote:

>  Message: 4   Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 02:06:15 -0500
> From: Venantius J Pinto 
>
> Dear Venantius thank you for the  detailed explanation extending all the
> way to your 95 years old Grandmother Even for people who have not gone
> to school, they used their God Given brains.
>
> There were so many dimensions to your response, like no K but C .(so
> where did the Word Kapri in Konkoni originate If off the cuff you could
> tell me so much I am wondering what the real experts will tell me
> including a fellow who just has added Dr...to his name
>
> .
>
> In a sense my question was related to the Estate with Quepem and
> Outside Denisha sent me a picture of the  intended Gatto  ..
>
> :But it does not stop there what did St Francis build in Kilwa
> .a Copel ..I  know that the Moslems build Two huge mosques
>
> Thank you for your patience  may you be saved from evil mayors
> and that friend of Trump called Dinesh
>
>
> Grandolfo
>
> In safe Makongo Juu ...Dar es Salaam
>
>  To: "Goa's premiere m. 1994!"  Cc: "To:
> Goanet Org" , Frederick Noronha   <
> fredericknoron...@gmail.com>,  Roland Francis<
> roland.fran...@gmail.com>, Lorraine Dias 
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] To Konkani & English Experts
> Message-ID:
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>
>
>

Re: [Goanet] To Konkani & English Experts

[Venantius J Pinto]

Worth interacting with Vavraddeancho Ixtt, Pilar, or TSKK, Porvorim!

The Konkani word for chapel as we know is kopel (NOT Kopal), previously/
"copel." In the earlier orthography there was no "k," along with a couple
of other letters. In any case Kopal is a first for me. Perhaps gone under
my radar. Indeed, bring in the experts! There are many who have to be
approached.

Chapel > Portuguese, Capilla > Konkani Copel/ now Kopel. A chapel small as
it is, a smaller one would be an oratory but there is no specific dimension
other than what it is attached to, or whether it is stand alone on the
narrow village paths. now, roads or leading into villages. In Goa it's all
small > Just perhaps somewhere such distinctions are made.

Grotto in Konkani, is quite possibly gotto (the same word as for a cowshed,
crib, or as we grew up hearing: stable). Hopefully this will inspire
someone to contribute from their largesse  indeed, of knowledge.

+
My mother always referred to the grotto at the OL of Dolors Church, Wadala,
as gotto. Very little education due to extenuating circumstances, yet, the
old gal knew a thing or two about words, as I do in other areas and
languages. She may have been wrong, and anyway passed away last year
stumped short of 90. Loved my cribs and the backdrops I painted in the
smaller of the two spaces. Worlds lost, little worlds that assisted me in
my visual magic. And proverbs abounded in our home. Yeah!

An aside and tangential here: Very few words are directly cognate (Many
thousands from English into Spanish) - and many others sound close but mean
different.
+

Anyway!

Venantius J Pinto



On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:25 PM Adolfo Mascarenhas 
wrote:

> I need help. I do not want to cross swords with the Clergy in Goaland.
> The Clergy can have a big say about a Kopal .the edifice can also be
> used to collect funds.
>
> There is a great deal of difference between a Chapel or KOPAL and what in
> English is called a Grotto  .I have no idea what the Konkoni word is for
> GROTTO
> Even an individual family. ;like in  .BRAZ VILLA, in Upanga Dar es Salaam,
> in the Garden the garden of the Dias family, they have built a Grotto.  I
> have not heard that there was ever a Ladahin said .
> Stay Safe
>
> Grandolfo
> In Makongo Juu
>
> In Fatima ...Our Lady appeared in a dry land, a Grotto was built
> subsequently I think /
>

[Goanet] Chris Hedges: How Republicans, Democrats, and the Media Have Weakened US Democracy

[Venantius J Pinto]

A worthy listen to those attempting linkages of the logics in play; and how
those like Trump may continue to win. It may sufficiently answer some
pertinent questions that have surfaced here, mostly relating to the
"incomprehensibility" to how Trump won.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2jyzp09_g8

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Re: [Goanet] FN Souza by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro

[Venantius J Pinto]

Heard,** Frederick. And, thank you.

I accept the subjective bit but it’s not quite that simple. And besides, I
am not looking for an in into Goa anymore; which, in any case nothing
should have prevented, given all realities including my idealism, and
skills. A couple of things did happen! Anyway, enough credentials on my
proverbial chest, although not from the NYT. C’est la vie. And, in some
respects I regard  myself, a slow learner, albeit sharp.

For sure, I hate Goan fokannam! And shit eating grins.
+
One of these days, I plan on writing my subjective opinion on the notion of
Labor of Love. Something that I have done a lot, but not always for the
right causes or indeed individuals.

Each of us brings our process/es to the generally presumed idea or process
through which we make our contribution. Later however, it may suggest to
us/ dawn upon us, that we had unwittingly paid a tribute to somebody, of it
was an extraction. But, life must continue as is obvious. These are but
mere halts on at least on path, laying my minds reflection on the
donvornnem, before heaving it on my back and hauling my butt away.

Now, would I have loved to handle this  project. Indeed yes and for good
reason. Would things have changed in my life. No.

Which brings to mind my asking Prof Teotonio that I’d like to design the
cover of his book (something on trade, but I forget the specifics). His
response was in the lines of: tgat as an artist I would not “understand”
the material. That and another interaction with him in Boston gave me
another perspective on seeing!! He had no idea of who I was, what my
training has been, my acumen. That to read those texts is nothing worthy of
dread. Straight forward material with well researched insights!

But, he was comfortable asking for one of my works, and besides on my dime
to Lisbon. I obliged the good man with a large digital print. Btw, he
funnily reminds me of Ortega y Gasset.

I have a feeling that I am being prepared for death. Things have been
passing in front of my eyes! Perhaps a part of this text should be posted
on my blog, which had been silent for too long.

Much appreciation, and cheers to all!

Venantius
** commonly heard in kitchens

\\\

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 4:47 PM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Venantius,
> Neither did I think I was being attacked!
> Just mentioned my opinion that I felt my original photo was made to look
> better than it was. It's an opinion, an unstudied one, based on my belief
> that in this field a lot of judgements are subjective. FN
>
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 02:27, Venantius J Pinto  >
> wrote:
>
> > Let me spell it out so you understand the neither you nor the designer
> WERE
> > being attacked!
>
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Re: [Goanet] Dsouza: Guest James Okeefe project veritas

[Venantius J Pinto]

A ahole loved by many of our Goans. All those faces look the same, and
reveal their core values, but they write well. Conservatives who cannot
have enough of the good times.

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:45 PM Frederick Dsouza 
wrote:

> https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qy_sQv0uhmA=share
>

Re: [Goanet] Centre for Post-Graduate Instruction and Research (Goa)

[Venantius J Pinto]

 Fred,
Truly great to know.
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Re: [Goanet] FN Souza by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro

[Venantius J Pinto]

 Hi Fred! If possible retract the precious. Here is tcorrected!

I am referring to the design, given the elements used. Nothing more needed,
other than a rethink. Nothing against your photograph. Geddit?! I never go
after people, but point when things could be better. Yes, as designer we
finagle with smidgens of space; although I do not get the opportunity to
design these days.

Let me spell it out so you understand the neither you nor the designer WERE
being attacked!

You have seen a lot in your time, and besides in your own right as a
publisher; so your "dunno" is pointless. But in a way it is what it is.
Designers take decades to mature unless one is gifted, or mentored.

To reiterate: nothing against your photograph! Wake up, read. I made
specific comments and pointed out that with those elements a better job
could have been realized.

In my stoopid way I try to point things out, but should stop. Woe is me.

Later!!!

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 12:40 PM Venantius J Pinto <
venantius.pi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am referring to the design, given the elements used. Nothing more
> needed, other than a rethink. Nothing against your photograph. Geddit?! I
> never go after people, but point when things could be better. Yes, as
> designer we finagle with smidgens of space; although I do not get the
> opportunity to design these days.
>
> Let me spell it out so you understand the neither you nor the designer
> were not being attacked! You have seen a lot in your time, and besides in
> your own right as a publisher; so your "dunno" is pointless. But in a way
> it is what it is. Designers take decades to mature unless one is gifted, or
> mentored.
>
> To reiterate: nothing against your photograph! Wake up, read. I made
> specific comments and pointed out that with those elements a better job
> could have been realized.
>
> In my stoopid way I try to point things out, but should stop. Woe is me.
>
> Later!!!
>
> Venantius
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> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 5:01 AM Frederick Noronha <
> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dunno about that, since it's not my field. I only clicked the photo during
>> a chance encounter with Souza a few weeks before his death. Actually, I
>> was
>> quite pleasantly surprised by the way the photo was edited and
>> displayed...
>> but again, it's not my specialisation so I could be wrong :-) FN
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 13:49, Venantius J Pinto <
>> venantius.pi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Please do not take offense, but surely the cover with those same
>> elements
>> > could have been more visually appealing!
>> >
>> > Tweaking space, visual dynamics, placement of elements, pt size.
>> >
>> > No point in saying more., besides that, it behooves designers to observe
>> > whatever examples they (may) spring off of, very clinically.
>> >
>> > Venantius J Pinto
>>
>>
>>
>> > --
>>
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>>
>>
>> - *"The first 90% of the code accounts for the first 90% of the
>> development
>> time. The remaining 10% of the code accounts for the other 90% of the
>> development time." - Tom Cargill, Creator of the Ninety-ninety rule
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-ninety_rule>*
>>
>

Re: [Goanet] FN Souza by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro

[Venantius J Pinto]

Please do not take offense, but surely the cover with those same elements
could have been more visually appealing!

Tweaking space, visual dynamics, placement of elements, pt size.

No point in saying more., besides that, it behooves designers to observe
whatever examples they (may) spring off of, very clinically.

Venantius J Pinto

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 5:23 AM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> New, released in Dec 2020, available from Sunaparanta (Altinho) for Rs 500
> https://archive.org/details/vrr-fnsouza
>

Re: [Goanet] Recalling, the art of crochet in Goa....

[Venantius J Pinto]

Look beyond crochet for sure. Tatting, macrame and lace making, which was
very much a thing in Goa.
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On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 7:41 PM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pass this link on to someone who might be interest.  Keep crochet alive and
> active in Goa (and elsewhere): https://www.facebook.com/groups/goacorchet/
> Also see some details here:
> https://issuu.com/heta_shah/docs/craft_document
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Re: [Goanet] Bigger Than Coke, Bigger Than Diageo

[Venantius J Pinto]

Brilliant analogy.
Thank you,
vjp

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 1:26 AM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> It’s 53% alcohol product is only sold in China, it sells for $207 for
> 500ml, it tastes like liquid razor blades, and it disappears in a trice
> from store shelves. The company in China that makes it is valued at 421
> billion dollars.
>
> Takers anyone?
>
> It's 53% alcohol and tastes like fire. Here's how this liquor brand took
> over China
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/business/kweichow-moutai-chinese-liquor-intl-hnk/index.html
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>

Re: [Goanet] THEY HAD to be Goans? Highest combined age of 12 living siblings

[Venantius J Pinto]

Awesome!
vjp

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 3:33 PM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *THEY HAD to be Goans? Highest combined age of 12 living siblings*
>
> https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/107026-highest-combined-age-12-living-siblings
>
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Re: [Goanet] Traditional weights and measures... elsewhere and in Goa

[Venantius J Pinto]

Appreciate it Tony!
+
A fine example of the manner by which a response may be proffered. Q>a kind
response!
No need for pointless xanneaponn/a, as is needlessly de rigueur for many
Goans.

Venantius

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 4:53 PM Tony de Sa  wrote:

> I seem to recall hazily...
>
> 2 vonnati = 1 ginatti - sounds nice in Konkani, don vonatti ek ginatti ...
>
> 2 ginatti = 1 solgem
>
> 2 solgem = I podd
>
> 4 podd = 1 kudov
>
> 4 Kuddov = 1 maund
>
> My apologies if I have got the measures in the wrong order or if the
> quantities are wrong. I shall be happy to be corrected.
>
> Tony de Sa
>
> Wishing you a very happy new year 2021
>

Re: [Goanet] Archdiocese of Ranchi . An innovative way of celebrating Christmas

[Venantius J Pinto]

Thank you, Frederick!

Venantius

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 1:09 AM Frederick Dsouza 
wrote:

> I have been celebrating catholic events with jharkhand and chhatisgarh
> states catholic for 20 years in New York City. They send me this video
>
> Archdiocese of Ranchi . An innovative way of celebrating Christmas
> https://youtu.be/K9mrx3S2TFY
>

Re: [Goanet] Goencho Avaaz Press Note

[Venantius J Pinto]

The Conquest takes on a new manifestation. And this happened on private
property. Police seeking novim fittan (ribbons)?!

Venantius J Pinto

On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 12:26 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> All strength and power to the voice of Goencho Avaaz.
>
> You speak for us.
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>
> > On Dec 24, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Edwin/Diana Pinto 
> wrote:
> >
> > For the first time in the state’s history, Goa Liberation Day 2020 was
> > marred by the shocking and unprecedented rounding up of innocent youth
> and
> > citizens by the Goa police. By now, not only Goa, but the rest of the
> > nation are aware and conversant with the distasteful and highly
> condemnable
> > incidents that occurred. Citizens and youth seeking to celebrate
> Liberation
> > Day on a private property were at the receiving end of heavy handed,
> > tyrannical and unwarranted police repression, that included an
> unbelievable
> > hijacking of buses to multiple and undisclosed locations across Goa.
> >
> > These incidents, which succeeded in turning Goa Liberation Day 2020 into
> a
> > dark chapter of Goa’s history, also shed light upon the following
> > unpalatable truths :
> >
> > 1. Based on the predictable Gujarat model of governance, where a wall was
> > constructed to conceal the squalor of a slum on the path of a Trump-Modi
> > roadshow, the Goa Government sought to sanitize the capital city of all
> > citizens that they feared might mar the carefully crafted illusion of
> model
> > governance and contented populace.
> >
> >
>

Re: [Goanet] Salaam e Daar

[Venantius J Pinto]

Arabic scholars?

Anyway, "Dar" as used in Dar es Salaam, means a place/haven of peace.
At the link below the root meaning is "villa"; and showcases examples where
"Dar"
is prefixed to express among other "spaces," a creche, a publishing house
an infirmary, and so forth.
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of/arabic-word-a8ce3fb214e806ded2db25e94bc80fa99663e0c1.html

Dar es Salaam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_es_Salaam

Salaam is a stand alone greeting/ salutation, or more specific greeting!

As-*Salaam*-Alaikumm

* wa alaikum as salaam wa alaikum salaam *

etc

Kitan as-Salam (The Book on Salutations and Greetings)

https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/026_smt.html
Venantius J Pinto

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 1:36 AM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> ‘Dar’ even in Konkani means ‘door’. Probably entered Goa through Arabic
> via Portugal.
>
> Salaam is also a Hindi/Urdu word entering India from the Persian also
> originating from Arabic, although the Persian word for peace when not used
> for greeting is ‘pes’.
>
> Roland
>
>
>
> > On Dec 16, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Gabe Menezes 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 20:11, Adolfo Mascarenhas 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> :
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In a Safe Haven  called Dar es Salaam (Arabic scholars please translate
> )
> >>
> >
> > RESPONSE: Dar is a big gate or door. Es Salaamof peace. 7 years in
> > SaudiJeddah and then Riyadh!
> >
> >
> > --
> > DEV BOREM KORUM
> >
> > Gabe Menezes.
>

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Re: [Goanet] Goa's Green Generation Next, (Mint, 4/12/2020)

[Venantius J Pinto]

Brutal. In my sad opinion, Goa is truly being regarded as a Conquest.

Venantius


On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 7:15 AM V M  wrote:

>
> https://www.livemint.com/news/india/inside-the-race-to-save-mollem/amp-11607008178992.html
>
> On 7 April and again on 15 April, even as “the world’s strictest
> lockdown" shuttered India behind closed doors, the National Board for
> Wildlife proceeded with two highly consequential meetings via
> videoconferencing at the direction of the Union environment minister
> Prakash Javadekar (he also holds the seemingly contradictory portfolio
> for heavy industries).
>
> This is how—while their fellow citizens were distracted by
> pandemic-related anxieties—the board’s standing committee, and then
> its expert appraisal committee, successively rubberstamped approvals
> for an astonishing 16 proposals impinging on ostensibly sacrosanct
> national parks and wildlife sanctuaries. They comprise an ominous
> litany of destruction: stone mining in Kota; railways through a tiger
> corridor in Telangana; roadworks in the Gangotri national park in
> Uttarakhand.
>
> The biggest loser was India’s smallest state. Goa woke up to find that
> there were now three projects targeting its Bhagwan Mahaveer Wildlife
> Sanctuary and Mollem National Park, which spills across 240 square
> kilometres up the Western Ghats. In December 2019, Javadekar’s board
> had accepted a proposal to double the existing railway track through
> the jungle. Now, it piled on an additional four-lane highway
> expansion, as well as a 400KV electricity transmission line.
>
> The treble threat targets 250 hectares of old-growth forests,
> including some 60,000 trees, all of which are integral to one of only
> 36 surviving biodiversity hotspots in the world. They are home to
> tigers and gaur, and at least 70 other species of mammals, as well as
> 235 species of birds. This is the watershed of Goa, as well as the
> ultimate guarantor of its food security. At a time when the entire
> world is paralyzed by a zoonotic virus, which passed from animals to
> humans due to habitat destruction, the move quickly galvanized
> resistance in Goa that has steadily mushroomed towards the national
> and international arenas.
>
> “This is an extraordinary state in more ways than one" wrote justice
> Gautam Patel of the Bombay High Court’s bench in Panjim in 2017 in his
> landmark judgement against moving the western zone of the National
> Green Tribunal from Pune to New Delhi. He noted, “If the NGT has so
> very many cases from Goa, it is not because—or not just because—the
> people of Goa are litigious. It is because they perceive that there is
> something of value here to protect… For this is something none can
> deny: This is a land truly worth fighting for."
>
> It is certainly true that Goa has seen many strong environmental
> movements over recent decades: The rejection of Thapar DuPont’s Nylon
> 6.6 plant in the 1990s; the cancellation of special economic zones in
> 2007; and the scrapping of the 2011 regional plan. But what has
> happened in the case of Mollem—as covid-19 raged unabated in Goa—is
> nonetheless entirely unprecedented.
>
> Right through the height of the pandemic which kept most of their
> parents’ generation pre-occupied, an emergent wave of millennials put
> together an astonishingly agile and resilient campaign to raise
> awareness about what’s at stake, and directly combat the three Mollem
> projects. Over the past few weeks and months, protestors have held
> all-night vigils, art competitions and even blocked railway lines in
> an unfolding saga of new age environmental activism. Their sheer
> vitality, and host of innovative strategies spanning the public sphere
> and social media, has thoroughly shaken the state government, and
> drawn huge attention.
>
> “A campaign of this nature has been a long time coming," says
> 28-year-old Gabriella D’Cruz, one of the members of the core group of
> the #SaveMollem movement. She told me her decision to study
> biodiversity conservation and management at Oxford (where she
> completed her MA in 2018) had been motivated by her experiences in
> Goa, where “young people have grown up being witness to flawed policy
> decisions that have destroyed large sections of our precious natural
> heritage for many years."
>
> D’Cruz said, “I used to feel an immense sense of helplessness when I
> heard about various environmentally destructive projects being passed
> by the government, and a lot of my friends felt the same way. The
> success of our campaign is that we are able to transform our
> collective feelings of helplessness and anger, along with our
> individual capacities, into a powerful force for good. I really
> believe this is the start of a series of youth-led movements that will
> come. As young people, we see this campaign as an investment of our
> time and energy in our collective future."
>
> Save Mollem began its work soon after the monsoons started pounding in
> June. The 

Re: [Goanet] Something Must Be Wrong

[Venantius J Pinto]

Are you OK in your perception?! The Emperors have been in a state of
deshabille for at least forty years! This f**ker is mouthing off through
both his sphincters.

Venantius J Pinto

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:59 AM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> From today’s Washington Post, no less.
>
> 1. One in four American students contemplate suicide according to the CDC.
>
> 2. More and more Americans are going hungry during the pandemic.
>
> What happened to the nation that made dreams come true? Where has all
> their happiness gone?
>
> What happened to the nation that had such a surplus of food from their
> hardworking farmers that India used to go to it every year for grain to
> feed their starving masses under a generous plan called PL480 that allowed
> it to pay in worthless Indian currency.
>
> It’s like seeing an Emperor with no clothes.
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>

Re: [Goanet] Quitting The Office

[Venantius J Pinto]

Brilliant and true. A splendid analogy.

A personal example: I was spared this treatment m, when I simply pointed
out a few of my traits in rapid succession. And how long I had been there
in a toll that kept changing. Earlier I told my boss that he did not need
to be with me in the HR office. I said this within twenty seconds of us
sitting there. Then on my return, I told my boss that I would settle all
files and did just that over the next few days. I was given a fine lunch at
a bar. But I simply did not have it in me to dive into coding! And to
corral my expectations. I crumbled!

In a few days I was brought on a project in a much coveted studio at
Ogilvy. They were impressed with my pace and accuracy. Then HR called
saying that I should return the monies given to me, since I was working at
the same place. Basically, I would not be paid. I did not have it me,
feeling so alone and stunned. i think it was that same day that I told the
new boss that I would walk and that to save his face for hiring me, that he
should not carry the ignominy of me refusing payment for the time worked.

I rose, looked around kindly, smiled and walked away! No guards. It was a
decent chunk of change. $2,750, perhaps even more if I remember.

At the end of the day, we are all formed different on account of various
ways of seeing, and being.

Venantius J Pinto


On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:49 AM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> It was sneaky corporate America (which was later copied by the rest of the
> world under its influence) that started the despicable process of
> ignominiously marching out to the door accompanied by security, a laid-off
> or terminated employee.
>
> They projected their inbred sneakiness onto this action which they
> justified as preventing unpleasantness or worse still data sabotage.
>
> So there you could witness a person who had given more than a few years of
> his or her life and loyalty, only to be rewarded with this despicable exit
> strategy.
>
> But karma has a habit of running full circles and here is a President who
> in his own time must have practised this hateful ‘throwing out the door’ in
> his Trump organization, doing the very same  feared harm (multiplied many
> times) to his own country.
>
> In normal circumstances I would have mourned for America. Now, I laugh at
> it because they cannot ‘exit’ their President in the way they exited many a
> poor, working-for-his-living individual.
>
> World braced for more bombshells from furious Donald Trump after election
> defeat
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/world/donald-trump-foreign-policy-election-intl/index.html
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>

[Goanet] Venantius

[Venantius J Pinto]

 Diane Frank, a San Francisco poet, writer and musician wrote the following
poem, which will appear in her next book of poetry!

A gift of Light. [image: 珞] The beat goes on.
No, "kator re bhajji"! No bouyas either.
 Just flicking my damru.

vjp

+

Venantius

He was the crazy man
singing the blues between cars
on the A Train –
levitating to the moon
on a painted trail of light.

At the Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey Circus,
he released the baby alligators from their cages,
during the high wire act,
with lions jumping through feathered hoops
below. Around him, women riding horses
wore pink feathered plumes.
Hawkers sold cotton candy and crackerjacks.

He asked for a photograph
of me playing the cello,
my arm drawing the bow into a long, low note.
I was wearing silk, concert black,
my fingers breathing the music
I played that night.

Around the cello, he drew images
of bears, rivers, waterfalls,
Himalayan peaks,
where elephants, butterflies, fractals
dream in swirling colors
on a mountain trail.

He painted sacred syllables
in Sanskrit, Hebrew, Tibetan
and an ancient Kanji calligraphy –
what he heard inside the music.

After weeks of painting,
he tiptoed over the border
where his amigos from Mexico,
put his painting in a mailing tube
and sent it to San Francisco.

Inside his meditation, a sanctuary
where the colors swirl and blend.
Outside his window, a river of humanity.
New York City is always a circus.

Diane Frank


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[Goanet] Some of my artistic labor on Behance

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hello all,

Taking the liberty to share my Behance profile with you. All illustrations.
Also, on the page are three links: two interviews and a short essay about
my way of "seeing." I will keep populating, with old and never projects.

https://www.behance.net/venantiuspinto

Thank you,

Venantius J Pinto

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Re: [Goanet] The Banana Republic of The United States

[Venantius J Pinto]

Roland Francis:
"For us in the rest of the world, it’ll be a rough time to see who fills
the vacuum."

And what fills the "vacuum!" Considering that Biden assured all and sundry
that "nothing would fundamentally change," it may well be aside from a
little realignment--perhaps, even more of an unfettered Wall Street, the
Military Industrial complex, Goldman Sachs, Health Insurance CEOs,
inequality, and indeed corruption too, of the neo-liberal kind and kindness
with a smarmy smile.

Venantius J Pinto.

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On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:18 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> First it took a major pandemic, then it took a Lying, Cheating and
> Dishonest President but finally what clinched it was that half the country
> wanted such a rotten human being to be re-elected to head them for another
> 4 years.
>
> There’s no other way to say this except in this way: the reputation of the
> United States, never good at the best of times, is now in tatters.
>
> For us in the rest of the world, it’ll be a rough time to see who fills
> the vacuum.
>
> Roland.
>
>
>

[Goanet] Understanding Systemic Racism: Race, Caste, and Democracy

[Venantius J Pinto]

 *The Institute for Comparative Literature and Society at Columbia
University presents in conjunction with our Ambedkar Initiative*

*Understanding Systemic Racism:* *Race, Caste, and Democracy*


Date: November 6, 2020
Time: 12:30 pm – 2:00 pm

Nico Slate 
(Carnegie Mellon University)
response by Sonali Perera
 (Hunter
College)
moderated by Anupama Rao, ICLS Associate Director

Register for this event here


About the Series:

The Institute for Comparative Literature and Society is committed to the
goal of social justice through education and critical scholarship. To
address the urgent need to combat racism in our times, we introduce a new
2020-2021 conversation/lecture series called "Understanding Systemic
Racism" to reflect on the roots of racial discrimination, class oppression,
colonial injustice, and other institutionalized oppression and sanction for
violence against Black people and peoples of color. We stress the
importance of opening the U.S. centered conversations surrounding race and
identity toward a broad and comparative reckoning with racism and its
violent histories around the world. This webinar series is programmed in
conjunction with our Ambedkar Initiative that links Columbia University
with the anti-caste legacy of B. R. Ambedkar to reflect on his continued
relevance to discussions about social justice, affirmative action, and
democratic thinking in a global frame.

[Goanet] A book discussion on "Social Theory from the Global South"

[Venantius J Pinto]

 *A book discussion on "Social Theory from the Global South" with Durba
Mitra (Harvard-Radcliffe) and Andrew Liu (Villanova)*
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/social-theory-from-the-global-south-tickets-123941356935

FREE. Register for your ticket by Nov 6.

Venantius J Pinto

Re: [Goanet] What will President Joe Biden mean for South Asia? (Dhaka Tribune, 29/10/2020)

[Venantius J Pinto]

Likewise brilliant, Roland.
Many of my schoolmates in India have turned zealots. No matter what I
shared - for one vocal MoF** it was fake this and fake that.

Venantius

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 2:25 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Well said Naguesh.
> Better to be allied with a friend who sometimes questions your actions
> than a madman who can never have any relationship with you.
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Naguesh Bhatcar 
> wrote:
> >
> > There has been no other unpredictable US President than Trump, in recent
> memory.
> > Many Indians in the US are supporting Trump, only because of his
> anti-Muslim stance. And Trump coddles up to the rich Saudis, as they have
> helped his business interests!
> > He has not said a word about the Khashoggi murder.
> >
> > If we believe that he is forever going to support India, they are
> mistaken. All he wants is business opportunities in India for him and his
> family.
> > He is ready to bury anyone that does not help/support him, as can be
> seen from his vindictive actions against the likes of Jeff Sessions.
> > Jeff Sessions, the first Republican Senator to support him in 2016,
> refused to defend him as the Attorney General of the US and he
> unceremoniously booted him out.
> > And legally, no Attorney General can defend the President, like a
> private lawyer.
> >
> > I have received WhatsApp messages and writeups, with concerns on how a
> Biden-Harris administration could be detrimental to India, just because
> they questioned some of the
> > happenings in India and more particularly related to Kashmir. It is as
> if the US is only focused on India!
> > In general, no US Administration has ever been anti-India, with perhaps
> Nixon being an exception. Indira Gandhi at times foolishly crossed swords
> with the US, in the
> > name of Non-Alignment and support of Muslim nations and her anti-Israel
> stance. And look at where India is now, with excellent relations with not
> just Israel, but even other
> > Muslim nations of the Middle East.
> >
> > Shashi Tharoor's assertions/hopes about Biden-Harris raising the Kashmir
> and CAA issues, might simply be a dream.
> >
> > NB
> >
> > 
> > From: Goanet  on behalf of V M <
> vmin...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 9:44 AM
> > To: V M 
> > Subject: [Goanet] What will President Joe Biden mean for South Asia?
> (Dhaka Tribune, 29/10/2020)
> >
> >
> https://www.dhakatribune.com/opinion/op-ed/2020/10/29/op-ed-what-will-president-joe-biden-mean-for-south-asia
> >
> > Polls have been wrong before, but it’s looking increasingly certain
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Goanet] Welcome to the New World of Journalism (Scroll.in, 28/10/2020)

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hi Vivek

Thoughts and ideas well formulated, as also by Banergee! For sure those who
hope—cannot access patronage from European Cultural orgs. He is quite
correct in his reasoning, but control is not easily shared nor
relinquished. What I see from my narrow perspective is that Our Internal
words and realities Often do not coincide. The differentials across the
board between the Easy and in the West, including are very different.
Perhaps the idea of huge profitS is an integral factor?! Also some
undergirding notions of what matters and what not as much. India, I feel
does not care to emulate say, SKorea, also does not quite know how to do
so, not is concerned.

Example it will be a long time coming for India to send our best pianists
to represent our affirmation of the creative prowess, and forms embraced by
an Indian being. Perhaps this has hsppend!

The day after Pablo Casals played at the White House, telegrams began
pouting in From various countries congratulating the decision. It signaled
JFK cultural credentials and an acceptance among the arbiters, so to speak,
of culture, and furthermore what it can lead to, suggests.

In all of this, I have no clue what journalists think of the graphic
novels. Perhaps a good topic for writers to broach with art schools.


Venantius

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 7:50 AM V M  wrote:

>
> https://scroll.in/article/976965/in-welcome-to-the-new-world-a-glimpse-of-an-inclusive-usa-and-the-power-of-graphic-journalism
>
> Midway through *Welcome to the New World: Waking Up in Trump’s America*,
> the powerful, poignant new graphic novel based on the true-life story of
> the Aldabaan family from Syria trying to find peace and stability in
> resettlement as refugees in Connecticut, a single frame leaps away from
> rigorous documentation, and takes us into the imagination of teenaged Naji.
>
> The elderly Eleanor informs her young neighbour she lives alone, with her
> family “usually too busy to check on me” but on her wrist is an emergency
> bracelet that will bring help whenever needed. Naji muses, “Wow! Nothing
> like that back home” and the rest of the page is a wordless image of
> distressed Syrians fleeing a ruined cityscape, each one trying to summon
> help via their own emergency bracelets.
>
> It is moments of inspired interpretation and carefully measured artistic
> license like this that elevate Jake Halpern and Michael Sloan’s otherwise
> rigorously factual graphic journalism to spellbindingly effective. From its
> inception as a series of strips in *The New York Times*, their project
> distinguished itself with its viscerally personal approach to the Aldabaan
> family’s experience in America. Then, in 2018, it was awarded the Pulitzer
> Prize for editorial cartooning, only the second-ever long-form graphic
> narrative to win after Art Spiegelman’s landmark 1992 citation for the
> extraordinary cats-and-mice Holocaust memoir, *Maus*. Last month, *Welcome
> to the New World* was launched in expanded book format for the first time.
>
> Halpern (he is an acclaimed reporter, while Sloan is described as “the
> illustrator”) explains in an appended chapter entitled “Methodology” that
> he was approached by the newspaper “to create a graphic narrative that
> would chronicle the arrival and experience of a single family [of refugees
> from Syria], with a particular focus on the perspective of the children.”
> Then, “on November 8 – Election Day – I met the Aldabaan family, just hours
> after they landed.”
>
> With the help of a copy of *Persepolis*, Marjane Satrapi’s graphic novel
> masterpiece about growing up in revolutionary Iran, Halpern won the
> collaboration of two brothers and their families, who had survived the
> siege of their hometown of Homs, and subsequently fled to Jordan, before
> successfully petitioning for relocation in the US. He says, “because this
> book is not a memoir, but rather a work of journalism, the story also
> needed context and fact checking, beyond the family’s own accounts and
> experiences…I did everything possible to probe for the truth and resisted
> the temptation to take anyone’s account at face value.”
>
> That effort pays terrific dividends, because *Welcome to the New World*
> comes at its story from several angles at once. Halpern admits, “I retained
> editorial control over everything – the authority of “final cut” if you
> will – but this project simply demanded a level of collaboration that I had
> never considered in any of my previous journalistic projects.” The result
> is seriously compelling: a portrait of a family in desperate transition, as
> well as a country going in different directions at the same time. It is
> also an outstanding example of the seemingly endless potential of comic
> books and graphic novels (the terms are largely interchangeable) in
> journalism.
>
> To be sure, this book does benefit from an immensely likeable cast of
> characters, expanding from the family at its heart to allies and supporters
> who 

Re: [Goanet] Goanet... down memory lane (2001)

[Venantius J Pinto]

A great reminder how many of us could stay in touch, and get to know
others; including engaging with inane and assorted bat-s**t insanities. Of
course, mine included.
Giggle mugho, Google murre! Fuloi, kator Baba!
Thank you!
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>
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Re: [Goanet] Venantius_J_Pinto_My interview with The Big Draw, UK

[Venantius J Pinto]

It has never truly mattered to me pry out what people think-West or East,
and includes Goanet. Truly, my awareness certainly falls short, at relating
to humor as practiced by a broad swath of Goans. Perhaps it was that I was
born in Mumbai and not among Goans. Perhaps too much biting the lower lip.

In this vein, I have often mused whether a large number of Goans read
Goanet?! I hope I am not Coming across as molesting a sacred cow. And,
surely not to seek validation of my path in artistic labor.

Oh, the needle on the compass Just might nod quite unlike the bulls, them
Nandi’s, who’d visit us at BPT Quarters! 珞

Venantius



On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:20 PM Venantius J Pinto 
wrote:

> Appreciate you giving credit to my interviewer, Devon Turner. Indeed, it’s
> a craft. And it was a long interview.
>
> Venantius
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:10 PM Roland Francis 
> wrote:
>
>> Very good article.
>> Excellently crafted by the interviewer and writer, highlighting your
>> worldview and practice in a very fine manner.
>>
>> Roland.
>> Toronto.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:01 PM Venantius J Pinto <
>> venantius.pi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  Dear Goanetters,,
>> >
>> > I would like to share my recent interview with The Big Draw, UK. It
>> > showcases my involvement with the practice of Drawing.
>> >
>> > https://thebigdraw.org/interview-with-venantius-j-pinto
>> >
>> > Stay safe, and take good care of yourself, and yours!
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> >
>> > Venantius J Pinto
>> >
>> --
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>> 416-453-3371
>>
>

Re: [Goanet] Venantius_J_Pinto_My interview with The Big Draw, UK

[Venantius J Pinto]

Appreciate you giving credit to my interviewer, Devon Turner. Indeed, it’s
a craft. And it was a long interview.

Venantius

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:10 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Very good article.
> Excellently crafted by the interviewer and writer, highlighting your
> worldview and practice in a very fine manner.
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:01 PM Venantius J Pinto <
> venantius.pi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >  Dear Goanetters,,
> >
> > I would like to share my recent interview with The Big Draw, UK. It
> > showcases my involvement with the practice of Drawing.
> >
> > https://thebigdraw.org/interview-with-venantius-j-pinto
> >
> > Stay safe, and take good care of yourself, and yours!
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Venantius J Pinto
> >
> --
> Roland Francis
> 416-453-3371
>

[Goanet] Venantius_J_Pinto_My interview with The Big Draw, UK

[Venantius J Pinto]

 Dear Goanetters,,

I would like to share my recent interview with The Big Draw, UK. It
showcases my involvement with the practice of Drawing.

https://thebigdraw.org/interview-with-venantius-j-pinto

Stay safe, and take good care of yourself, and yours!

Thank you,

Venantius J Pinto

Re: [Goanet] Gordon Lightfoot, Sundown

[Venantius J Pinto]

Thank you for this post.
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Re: [Goanet] Red Light, Red Alert

[Venantius J Pinto]

A lovely phrase: bible thumpers, which got me to spending a "happy" hour
imaging different versions having their own thump! I mean the one I have:
Douay Rheims, the KJV, and a few others, including the Kristupurana. This
may elicit a chuckle and be easily misread, but that is nothing if chuckles
and cackles, and wry ones too materialize on Goan countenances. Worldwide,
really?!

Thump and ye shall receive! Besides the thumping, El supra horny zealous
love their humping too, but those "humpers" are living life in their image
of a humpin' god!

Moving on, and speaking only about myself: I know the texts to an
appreciable degree (equal parts awareness, and faith) given that I reflect
on religion (various), sexuality and consciousness. But, I am no
gatekeeper, nor do I take issues with anyone who steps in this forum to
spread creed. Stoicism is not so hard. One can learn so over time. Besides
I am no saint, and thankfully am child-free! However, I do appreciate
baseline grace **in forms like sharing one's motivation, a testimonial, a
moving story, heck, while we are at it, analysis, as also, a deeper
understanding of someone's life and work that dealt/s with sheer logic, and
speaks to some. Never all, and get that straight.
** I know its pretty archaic in most societies, today, but one can chose to
live a little peculiarly

In the current issue #138 of Philosophy Now, in the small section labeled
Philosophical Haiku, Terrence Green talks about Theresa of Avila 1515-1582
(Teresa Sanchez de Cepeda y Ahumada), and copied here is the haiku; indeed
in 5-7-5 syllable structure..

I walk through my soul,
demon-blinded eyes seek truth.
>From faith comes reason).

Hem soglem fokot ded xhanneak!
Hanv konna voir thopina, pun moji dhrustint polloun, vavurta sangonk - zoxi
ti maka dakoita.
Ki, Sot tem Sot. Ani aplo otmo heo vatteo koloita.
Tem thopouvp dusrea vidhwannak “outsource” kelam!
Ani maka dissonam zaite Goanekar vangddi ingsor yeun ginyaan meloitat.
Pun tori'ui mhunya: II Sovostkaint aaple mendu posho-yat II


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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:33 AM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> All the bible thumpers must be praising the glory of god and the downfall
> of all the Jezebels, Salomés and Magdalenes.
>
> I hope they will help them “find opportunities to gain new skills in lower
> risk jobs” as recommended by the study.
>
> If India's red-light districts reopen, there could be a staggering 400,000
> infections and 12,000 Covid-19 deathsin a yearamong sex workers and people
> living in those neighbourhoods in India, per projections by experts at
> Harvard Medical School and Yale School of Medicine. The study made
> projections for 21 red-light areas, spanning across Maharashtra, Delhi,
> Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh and West Bengal. And the experts have
> urged the government to keep the areas shut as they could emerge as India's
> biggest hotspots.
> Maharashtra would be one of the worst-affected states with 9,956 cases
> projected — in Pune's Budhwar Peth, 4,795 cumulative cases, 688
> hospitalisations, and 162 deaths. In Mumbai's Red-Light Area of
> Kamathipura, Grant Road, and Faulkland Road, 3,494 cases, 486
> hospitalisations, and 114 deaths. The GB Road area in the national Capital
> could experience 2,774 cases, 386 hospitalisations and 91 deaths in such a
> scenario.
> "The combined features of a high volume of visitors, high contact rates,
> potentially higher infectivity of sex workers, and long-distance travel of
> clients across India may make the reopening of red-light areas a
> significant risk... Moreover, visitors to red-light areas include many
> truck drivers and migrant workers, who not only live locally but travel
> long-distances and can potentially spread the virus more broadly," stated
> the website of Code Red Coalition (CRC), where the key findings of the
> study were published. (CRC is a global group of doctors and researchers
> that is advising governments on how to prevent Covid-19 spread.)
> Dr Sahayakan, a CRC member, added: "None of the protection measures like
> distancing, masks, or sanitising can effectively stop Covid-19 transmission
> during sex work. Sex work cannot be safely practiced in red light areas in
> India given their nature."
> The study also recommended that sex workers need opportunities to gain
> skills that provide employment in lower-risk jobs.
>
> Roland Francis
> 416-453-3371
>
>

[Goanet] "You don't have to turn this into something. It doesn't have to upset you."

[Venantius J Pinto]

Vo ghoran, O ghoran!

Time and again, we come across unpalatable topics. Subjects, and ideas,
indeed even notions that get our goat, stick in the craw, or blindside us.
We have our education, years of it, but rarely in the areas of what could
rattled us! But for real, they ostensibly suggest things and values about
ourselves, our strengths, our biases, and quite possibly our weaknesses.

Life is not, and cannot be about building meaningless consensus with like
minded others, including those engaged in obtuse zealotry, or with those
thoroughly antagonistic -- to name but two phalanxes of mind
space/"metascapes." Indeed, we should possess that ability to embrace the
other, even if they stay intransigent in their manner of conducting
themselves. But never with those who alter frames of reasoning, kick the
can down the road, move goalposts! That is some "massa" attitude. A simple
example is by intentionally interjecting vapid humor in an otherwise
pointed and precise thought. What is worse is those who back off rather
than provide some measure of commiseration. Silence is not always golden;
particularly when, that silence is conveniently settled into. A shunning!
Unless of course, where one is comfortable in writing off certain worthy
thoughts, as in. they do not count, or never existed, never came by us.

  "We do not come by our thoughts; they come to us." vjp, through an
intermittent series in my artistic labor

 How does one do so? If not instilled in us, then it's by being mentored,
or by having the "zeal" from within to change away from one's proclivities;
that snorting, towards mindless banality death. And I know for sure, that
it's never too late. Aurelius, Seneca and others could help too.

"You don't have to turn this into something. It doesn't have to upset you.
Things can't shape our decisions by themselves."
— Marcus Aurelius

Moving on, some certainly may be celebrated or viewed as polymaths, while
others believe so, merely and ardently! So be it, if that's your strand of
belief! And here, I am reminded of a rank thought, that I heard in a Goan
family:
*Thought, thought he had farted but he had shat! *
I presume I was wrong in believing we are an earthy people; but surely
sterile, and antiseptic. I presume it's about survival. Emotional survival,
that is.

Moving on, as I regard these thoughts from my singular vantage, I sincerely
believe that unless we maintain a vigil of consistently inspecting
ourselves, our pfaffings may remain mere engagements in poor rhetoric, with
gnarls galore. What is worse is that it shows.!

At this point I am reverting to Angak sukh, Potak bukh! [The body is at
peace, the stomach empty (hungry, growls)]. Do not read too much into the
latter part.

Tathata / Suchness [Btw, still Christian]

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[Goanet] Sharing my Instagram page

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hope all of you and yours are doing well. I am hanging on in NY and
continue doing some challenging work; and frankly thankful for going up
many notches. Who would have thought this was possible -- surely not me?!
Serious painting starts at 60. :)

https://www.instagram.com/venantiuspinto/

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Re: [Goanet] Bible verse for the Day

[Venantius J Pinto]

Pardon my errors!
I am nobody to you Goans, other than being ONE of yours in left field, BUT
know a thing OR two ABOUT design.

vjp

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:43 AM Venantius J Pinto <
venantius.pi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Arghan,
>
> Suggestion: Consider doing a better job on interlinear spacing of your
> posts, quoting from the Bible! Forget the "fouwhee" (culverts taking inland
> water to the "touvem." And why place periods in the word BIBLE/Bible?!
> People are not weak in the head!
>
> +
>
> B.I.B.L.E. - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth
>
> Matthew 6:14-15
> 14 If you forgive others their transgressions, your heavenly Father will
> forgive you.
> 15 But if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your
> transgressions.
>
> +
>
> At the most, like suggested above. Delete the underlining for real. I am
> nobody to you Goans, other than being opne of yours in left field, biut
> know a thing ort two of design. Of don't get me off on Tiatr posters, and
> other design organs, including those for Goan events on every continent
> which one can just take a look at against the cultures the Goan "culture"
> is situated in.
>
> Talk to me if you like, and directly voi this forum!
>
>
> Venantius J Pinto
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:41 PM Devak Argham 
> wrote:
>
>> B.I.B.L.E. - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth
>> 
>>
>>
>> Matthew 6:14-15
>> ===
>>
>>
>> 14 If you forgive others their transgressions, your heavenly Father will
>> forgive you.
>>
>>
>> 15 But if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your
>> transgressions.
>>
>

Re: [Goanet] Is it true that India has never invaded any foreign country?

[Venantius J Pinto]

Ot happen.. now? All boy fall down, or go away?!

vjp

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 4:26 PM Venantius J Pinto 
wrote:

> "Indians" did go outside to attack.
> From (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajendra_Chola_I
> <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRajendra_Chola_I%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2xzRpnCPAlUeBENvbDUWLinrtWbBqC9cIlsg_62URhH-PtYny1f0IwGEk=AT3lV9SdLOfHNtCOFp5v0Gu5uxcQQ717TBopo6JwHlIjMoyMaSUyqyxYK5WskKPNbdvQFi9E0DVIOwJprww1hlMJRsWW5aH3avgNtMrmtOAWFLzeGDYxntBbwbz8iyXCzc51hQ>
> )
> Before the fourteenth year of Rajendra (Chola I)'s reign c. 1025, the
> Chola Navy crossed the ocean and attacked the Srivijaya kingdom of Sangrama
> Vijayatungavarman. Kadaram, the capital of the powerful maritime kingdom,
> was sacked and the king taken captive. Along with Kadaram, Pannai in
> present day Sumatra and Malaiyur in the Malayan peninsula were attacked.
> Kedah (now in modern Malaysia) too was occupied.
>
>  Across the kala pani
> By: Michael Pearson
> https://www.himalmag.com/across-the-kala-pani/
>
> My accompanying suite of five drawings (2010) appeared in for HIMAL
> Southasian's, Our Ocean: The forgotten Southasia issue (Septeber 2010
> issue).
>
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> fredericknoro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-India-has-never-invaded-any-foreign-country
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Re: [Goanet] Is it true that India has never invaded any foreign country?

[Venantius J Pinto]

"Indians" did go outside to attack.
>From (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajendra_Chola_I
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)
Before the fourteenth year of Rajendra (Chola I)'s reign c. 1025, the Chola
Navy crossed the ocean and attacked the Srivijaya kingdom of Sangrama
Vijayatungavarman. Kadaram, the capital of the powerful maritime kingdom,
was sacked and the king taken captive. Along with Kadaram, Pannai in
present day Sumatra and Malaiyur in the Malayan peninsula were attacked.
Kedah (now in modern Malaysia) too was occupied.

 Across the kala pani
By: Michael Pearson
https://www.himalmag.com/across-the-kala-pani/

My accompanying suite of five drawings (2010) appeared in for HIMAL
Southasian's, Our Ocean: The forgotten Southasia issue (Septeber 2010
issue).
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>
> https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-India-has-never-invaded-any-foreign-country
>
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Re: [Goanet] All about the WORD

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hi Eddie!

I agree that you'd like to know from Argham's mouth, or from Archie. Most
people have a cursory understanding of the esoteric as also the exoteric -
very much, ideas that are common constructs.

But it appears you are keen on massaging your mind, and in  that regard
there is online support, which I am sure you would have found, or did, but
it helps to engage I guess directly* - I tap into, to pick or reject
options.
 *as in participatory design.
Consider:
https://www.godswordforyou.com/bible-studies/the-gospel-of-john/425-study-1.html

I am not guaranteeing its proof-Catholic, but it is catholic in framing.

Btw, lest my slip be showing; I appreciate Jeremiah 6:16, which surely has
helped massage my mind, to the extent a lone ranger may expect.
Thus saith the Lord: Stand ye on the ways, and see, and ask for the old
paths, which is the good way, and walk ye in it: and you shall find
refreshment for your souls. And they said: We will not walk.

So, rock on.

Although illustrating for Philosophy Now, based in the UK, on quite heavy
shit - I am no Bertrand Russell :)
https://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/whynot.html *
"*Bertrand Russell, *Why I Am Not a Christian*, Watts & Co., for the
Rationalist Press Association Limited, 1927  First published as a pamphlet
and reissued many times since then  Why I am not a christian, share for
all simply for his logic and articulation! "


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On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:17 AM Eddie D'Sa  wrote:

> Mr Argham continues to regale and confuse us with gems from his Bible, the
> alleged inspired word of the Christian God.
> Here are his recent quotes from John 1:1-4 & 14:
>
> 1 In the beginning was the Word,  and the Word was with God, and the Word
> was God.
> 2 He was in the beginning with God.
> 3 All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be.
> 4. What came to be through him was life,  and this life was the light of
> the human race;
> 14 And the Word became flesh and  dwelt among us,...
> ===
> It reads like a lot of garbage and Mr Argham does not elucidate. When a
> message is posted, it is meant to educate, enlighten, edify.
> But Mr Argham does not explain. Perhaps as a traditional Goan, he fears to
> offend the Euro clerics who composed & authorised the text.
> So what to do? He could ask a knowledgeable person, perhaps a senior local
> cleric. How about Goa’s good Bishop? Will he engage with mere laymen?
>
> More than once, I had tried to elicit some comment and had copied a post
> to the Bishop. HE never responded.
> May be he fears he cannot offer his own views without consulting the
> Vatican.
> I am trying again.
>
> So dear Archbishop (or your assistant), could you kindly explain the four
> above verses?
>
> Eddie
>
>
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> Windows 10
>
>

Re: [Goanet] IS GOA LOSING THE COVID BATTLE?

[Venantius J Pinto]

But is not Aires’ questioning of the CMs lackluster approach, imagination
and will - clearly makes people think. mean
Those with reasonable analytical chops?!

Venantius J Pinto


On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 2:36 AM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Easier to point to flaws in government policy, but this vlogger from New
> Delhi gives a good warning of what the problems are -- lack of speedy
> testing, delays in getting the reports, and starting treatment. Can the
> media (and the social media) set the agenda on the need for adequate
> testing? See https://youtu.be/ZHRniRXxwYk
>
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 11:15, Aires Rodrigues 
> wrote:
>
> > The manner in which Chief Minister Pramod Sawant has been merrily
> > oscillating on the Standard Operating Procedure (SOP), it seems he has
> lost
> > his way in leading the State in its battle against that viciousCorona
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Re: [Goanet] L'Etrangere (The Stranger)

[Venantius J Pinto]

The royal “we!”

Perhaps inadvertent, perhaps a choice -  which I relate to, and appropriate
if one is aware of their many natures. Besides in India, of comporting a
certain elan. Nawabi, er, other royals too.

Still, I have believed that there is a court of Goans congregating
somewhere, In Goa - having a blast at the proclivities of various Goans,
including, those overseas.

Rock on!

vjp


On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 9:09 AM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We enjoy many of your forwards too, Gabe. Even if we don't say it...FN
>
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 16:12, Gabe Menezes  wrote:
>
> > I enjoyed that!
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 02:15 E DeSousa,  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >  "Teolinda Joaquina de Sousa Lança better known as Linda de Suza (born
> 22
> > > February 1948 in Beringel, Beja, Portugal) is a Lusophone and
> > Francophone"
> > > .
> > >
> > > She moved to France in the 1970s where she recorded a few music albums.
> > > L'Etrangere is one of her much appreciated works.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpEiTbd9QTY
> > >
> > > Beautiful song and a beautiful singer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: [Goanet] Biblical Lines but and Bards

[Venantius J Pinto]

Very interesting! Jeremiah 33:3.

Do consider Jeremiah 6:16! I quoted it in a paper on Drawing which I
presented at the AUD, the American University in Dubai.
Thus saith the Lord: Stand ye on the ways, and see and ask for the old
paths which is the good way, and walk ye in it: and you shall find
refreshment for your souls. And they said: we will not walk.
The above from  the *Douay-Rheims Bible*. Not sure whether I used KJV.

Thank you,

Venantius J Pinto

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:38 AM Adolfo Mascarenhas  wrote:

> Here is a biblical line it says  Call to me and I will answer you and
> tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.'
> Apparently this guy known as Jeremy lives in Apartment 6:16 (floor) He has
> got direct connection to White House, The Boss  knows  quite a few things
> about survival during and after CONVIR 19, and even Surviving for over
> 8:Min after a heavy Cops foot squashes you.
>
> Adolfo
> Quepem
>

Re: [Goanet] Renaming India Bharat

[Venantius J Pinto]

My response to someone on a Facebook (G Awaaz ? ) page on the same topic.
with miniscule changes:
+
If you guys wish that it be so, then consider naming our nation, Bharat
Mata. A complete integral concept. Think of it. Then remember all the
stellar women whose skirts we have held onto to take our first steps.

Avoid changing the other symbols. After the name change is achieved, be
more swadeshi and provide such “suvidha.” Be leery of any politician who
talks with forked tongue. Buy an Indian made car, wear Indian materials,
skip Victoria’s Secret, etc. Perhaps we, or at least some have it in us to
rise high and to true heights?!

Reinforce a real and sustainable pride. Do not excuse the leaders who
promise but deliver more of the same crass development while lining their
pockets incessantly.

Understand what it is about the nature of the development thrust upon Goa,
that many cannot do without. Does everyone have to add their nail to the
coffin?!

Change your ways in all matters. Attempt egalitarianism.

Do not go the way of: Lokas shikve Bramadnyan aapnas korde paashand. Or:
Lokank shikoita Brahmachem ginyaan Aapun fat’ra  bhaxen/sarko thombo.

Understand matru, maitri, matrutva in the core sensibility of Bharat Mata.
Be benevolent. Try, try harder. Avoid a Kunti or Kaikeyi reality. Avoid
playing Krishna to Karna. There will surely be no residual “krodh” but
“kriya” in such a mindful reality.

Treat women and daughters fairly. Help prosecute rapists, and in Goa atone
for all those rapes of children. Make sure the gross filth had nothing to
do with the precious vote banks.

Finally give the putative flag design project to someone worthy. And btw, I
am around, an Indian by birth to design the flag. Do not as apparently
happening give it to an outside design company. Have some pride.

Ok, back to my cave now.

Venantius J Pinto

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 10:15 AM Eddie D'Sa  wrote:

> I am not surprised that John Gomes was disturbed by some nationalist
> attempt to rename India Bharat.
> This name ‘Bharat’  taken from the hero of a Hindu epic may appease the
> Hindu majority but mean nothing to the minorities (some 200m Muslims,
> Christians). This lack of sensitivity to non-Hindu sentiment is
> characteristic of the BJPwalas & their coarse leader Modi.
> When Hindu nationalists want to demonstrate transformation, they can only
> do so at a crude level, typically by changing names of towns or streets or
> erecting tall statues to mediocrities. One such a statue was intended for
> Sardar Patel but the Hindus did not have the technical skills and had to
> call in the Chinese to build it.
>
> To expand on this issue, it’s worth noting that historically Hindustan has
> never excelled in the  intellectual domain: high level discourse, critical
> thinking, innovation or invention. [What a difference Shashi Tharoor as PM
> would make.]
> Way back in the 11th century (c.1020), Persian scholar Al-Biruni who
> accompanied the first major Muslim invader Mahmud of Ghazni, made a study
> of Hindu society and he was not impressed. He wrote: “The scientific ideas
> of the Hindus are utterly confused and devoid of any logical order...they
> do  not seem to understand the methods of a strictly scientific deduction.”
> [See Islamic Civilisation in South Asia by Burjor Avari, Routledge 2013]
> Some five centuries later, the first Mughal Emperor Babur revealed in his
> famous Memoirs c.1530 that he too found Hindustan backward in most respects.
>
> Intellectual production remains poor to this day and more so under the BJP
> regime. In the absence of creativity, BJP officials have succumbed to the
> temptation to plagiarise even foreign material into Indian government
> documents & journals and pass it as one’s own. The brilliant watchdog site
> Altnews.in has discovered several BJP transgressions.
> Examples:
>
>   1.  The Union Ministry of Road Transport & Highways website has been
> shamelessly using pictures of US and Canadian roadways!
>   2.  The Home Ministry Annual Report 2016-17 copied the image of the
> Spain-Morocco floodlit border to pass off as the India-Pak border.
> [Pity that images cannot be shown on GoaNet.]
> Eddie
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>
>

Re: [Goanet] Have an extra book? Want a special title?

[Venantius J Pinto]

I have. Would people be willing to pay reasonable prices on books.

Shipping via courier from the US?

Venantius J Pinto

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fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Re: [Goanet] Bible verse for the Day

[Venantius J Pinto]

Argham Bhakt,

Present more meaningful texts. Ex: II Corinthians 4: 8-10; instead of
attempting to convince people about the veracity of God's word. Screw the
veracity! Are you some lapsed Bamon?

Or something on the lines of Jeremiah 6:16.

What are giving choris pau to the chorus?!

Wake up!

Venantius J Pinto


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On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:18 PM Devak Argham  wrote:

> B.I.B.L.E - Behold I Bring Life Eternal
> ---
>
>
> 2 Timothy 3:16-17
> =
>
> 16 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for
> refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
>
> 17 so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good
> work.
>

Re: [Goanet] What does Joao want to say?

[Venantius J Pinto]

Brilliant, and incisive.
Thank you,
vjp

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:30 PM Joao Barros-Pereira <
joaobarrospere...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In
>
> the Age
>
> of
>
> Corona Virus
>
>
> Goans
>
> excel
>
> at politics
>
>
> real life
>
> snakes
>
> and ladders
>
>
> after
>
> election
>
>
> independent
>
> elected MLA
>
>
> jump from
>
> one side of fence
>
> to another
>
>
> no need
>
> training
>
>
> game
>
> now change
>
> from old days
>
>
> several politicians
>
> jump from
>
> one side of fence
>
> to another
>
>
> together
>
> and at the
>
> same time
>
>
> no need
>
> training
>
>
> politicians
>
> are cheaper
>
> by the dozen
>
> nowadays
>
>
> elected
>
> independent
>
> MLA
>
> think sadly
>
>
> no understand
>
>
> what is
>
> going on?
>
>
> need course
>
> in Vedic
>
> mathematics
>
>
> What does Joao want to say?
>

Re: [Goanet] Café Bleu (The Blue Cafe)

[Venantius J Pinto]

But here we have an accent! Success, Woohoo!
vjp

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:48 AM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Soha, the French Algerian singer tells her lover-boy that eternal is for
> lovers and paradise for happy people so she asks him just to come for a
> cigarette or two, a dance or two, at the Café Bleu.
>
> Café Bleu
> https://youtu.be/KzY8rtFeIJw
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>

Re: [Goanet] A few stray thoughts on a gloomy day after Goa Statehood Day

[Venantius J Pinto]

Consider letting it go.

vjp

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:06 PM Tony de Sa  wrote:

> BC Wrote:
> >>> My family lived in Taleigao, therefore there was an extension to do the
> job, and the pigs cleared it faithfully. Today the Mapusa market looks like
> your countenance with all the bharat development Xri S?.?
> BC>>>
>
> Ola Bernardo, rankles no? To know your so called civilized Pork and Geese
> peed and sh@t in kerosene tins and that was the best they could do for
> their overseas province of Goa.
>
> People who have visited Portugal, including some of my relatives tell me
> that rural Portugal is no better than what Goa was in the sixties.
>
> And by the way, when I was coming to Goa in 1962, by train from Bombay, I
> saw all those armoured cars and vehicles with NATO markings with the
> wrapping still on some of them, which the superior white race abandoned
> when they ran like rats deserting a sinking ship. They didn't even make a
> token stand against the Indians.
>
> The best they could do was knock off the compound wall of the Mapusa police
> station, blow up a few culverts in Guirim and knock down the Mapusa Tar
> bridge, which was a blessing to us Bardezcars as we got a new bridge.
>
> Anyway, what are you doing in Macau? Can't Portugal give you a better life?
> Or perhaps migrate to Madeira, I believe you have relations there.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tony de Sa
> ♦Technical Editor   ♦ Graphics  ♦ IT Stuff
>
> ♦ DTP
>

Re: [Goanet] History or Religious Politics - www.goainquisition.info (Epifanio Valadares)

[Venantius J Pinto]

All, Skip accents, or diacritics. I thought most knew.
The little French that may spill over here would be understood without
accent marks.
Almost gone are the days of Mapuca - the correct intonation, and the
cedilla, if I remember correctly while remembering letters from Goa.

One closet bizarro, I joked with even promised to f**k my happiness. There
was arse involved. Khorench, erstwhile pappia, or are you a papaya.
Bereft of kindness, and grace? Xamai, ot is grace?! Born in Mumbai, went
abroad - so I am softee? I was trained by the worst in the other community.

Bottom line loafers: Never f**k with an artist, at least not a decent one.

Certainly no umlaut will be seen in these parts either.

Konkani speakers, phonetically I mean, of Bardez and Saxxti have done a
good job, others a more splendid job of holding on to the pronunciation,
via handed-down speech patterns and memory.


Chortle, chortle,

Venantius J Pinto

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On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 1:39 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Augusto-bab, Goanet text didn’t treat the graves and circumflexes very
> well.
>
> It was ‘tres drole’ meaning Augusto you were quite funny (specially with
> the deft use of ‘concern’.
>
> Roland.
>
> > On Jun 1, 2020, at 1:02 PM, augusto pinto  wrote:
> >
> > Roland wrote on this thread:
> > "Augusto, you were tr?s dr?le"
> > Roland-bab,
> >
> > Hem tum kitem sangunk sodtai re? Hanv dotor (dr) nhoi.
> >
> > Puzzled,
> > Augusto
>

Re: [Goanet] The Art Of Headlining

[Venantius J Pinto]

RF:  It all this continues, one can expect Goanet to be seen as a
discussion board of people with disordered thoughts and even worse
penmanship.

vjp: Where have you been? It has been that for a long time, and I am guilty
to some degree.

VJP

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 12:52 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Very few practise the art of headlining when posting on
> Goanet.
>
> A short and effective headline grabs attention. A long boring headline
> puts off a reader. Talking of long boring headlines I see some running into
> several rows which is absolutely disgusting. It tells me the poster has not
> used the gift of thinking or respecting the effort of the reader in
> determining whether he or she should read the post.
>
> While some people are chronic defaulters in this respect, others have in
> the recent past put their entire post in the headline itself. Still others
> put their post all in capital letters. This not only screams at the reader,
> it shows a complete lack of sensitivity.
>
> It all this continues, one can expect Goanet to be seen as a discussion
> board of people with disordered thoughts and even worse penmanship.
>
> Come on folks. Please enhance the quality of Goanet at least in this
> little way.
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>

Re: [Goanet] What Does Johnny Have to Say?

[Venantius J Pinto]

And she moans corona corona, ergo cuckolding him across the seas?!

Conniving men in their sleek culottes prance saying: I, and my all
represents God!

The righteous In their assorted indignation shriek: Oxxig, pozdeapon.

The seers have it.
Angak sukh potak bukh.


Venantius J Pinto


On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 2:15 AM augusto pinto  wrote:

> In the age of
>
> Covid-19
>
> Meekness
>
> and
>
> Murkiness
>
> Became
>
> Men
>
> with
>
> Muddled
>
> Minds
>
> But
>
> without
>
> Balls;
>
> while
>
> Women
>
> Wore
>
> the Pants
>
> and
>
> Waded
>
> into
>
> Battle
>
> against
>
> Pestilences
>
> Called
>
> Cupidity
>
> and
>
> Corruption
>
> that'll
>
> Continue
>
> to
>
> Plague
>
> Us
>
> Long after
>
> Corona
>
> Has
>
> Gone away.
>
> What does Johnny have to say?
>
> Augusto Pinto
>

Re: [Goanet] A few stray thoughts on a gloomy day after Goa Statehood Day

[Venantius J Pinto]

I believe you Tony, having see a tiny bit as a four year old.

And also later Raibandar. Yes, deoploment without the Deo, Deu, Dev to of
course mean caritas, and an egalitarian framework. Many of our Screechxians
got fooled by their peers. The bhatkars, a few who worked at the
Secretariat with their Tripos degrees showed off to their colleagues and
got conned. In the deolopment mold our boys/Bonny boys found mates spouses
among non-Christian women and thrived yo varying degrees. Some rebelled in
perversions. Many took off to other places. All worthy of art.

vjp

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 4:15 AM Tony de Sa  wrote:

> A few stray thoughts on a gloomy day after Goa Statehood Day
>
> My family was perhaps among the early repatriates to Goa in June 1962.
> Panjim of those days was not what it is now.
>
> In those days, Panjim was a clean city. It was sparsely populated, the
> residents being few, but it had a large transient population of Government
> servants and workers in commercial houses. People came to Panim by ferry
> boat from Betim, by launch from Britona, Pomburpa, ecoxim and even Aldona.
> There were launch services from Divar, Chorao and Naroa. The incoming bus
> services were restricted to the island of Ilhas as it was too cumbersome to
> bring the buses across the ferry points.
>
> The buildings in Panjim too were interesting. They were mostly bungalows or
> ground plus one. It was only later on that the building boom started.
> Living in Panim was difficult because of the perennial mosquito problem.
> This was sorted out when Goa was connected to he national grid and there
> was 24 x 7 electricity. Prior to that electricity was available only for a
> few hours in the evenings from diesel generators. With steady electricity,
> people were able to install fans and this alleviated the mosquito problem.
> Incidentally, on a side note, in those days, elephantiasis was endemic in
> Betim.
>
> There was no sewage system to speak of. Those houses which had the space
> had Goa's great recycling machine, the piggy to take care of their excreta.
> Others plooped into a bucket or a kerosene tin which was then carried way
> by the scavenger on his/ her head. Perhaps BC who tom toms  the great
> benefits the Portuguese brought to Goa was privileged to squat over a gold
> bucket.
>
> All the well developed places that we see in Panjim today, Miramar, Gaspar
> Dias, Dona Paula, Altinho, etc were hardly developed.
>
> Yes Panjim has seen 'deolopment', great deolopment today, but with it has
> come the filth, the squalour. the overcrowding, the slums, the casinos, the
> tourist boats, etc.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Tony de Sa
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>
> ♦ DTP
>

Re: [Goanet] What Does Johnny Have to Say?

[Venantius J Pinto]

Finally,  Goans are turning in decent poets, er, worthy of the form. Now,
now do not give me some pathetic jive debating this thought.

Venantius J Pinto

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 8:51 PM augusto pinto  wrote:

> In the age of
>
> Covid-19
>
> Fastidious
>
> Ferdinand
>
> Forsook
>
> Feni
>
> during the
>
> First
>
> Lockdown
>
> and Fell for
>
> Friendly
>
> Fanny
>
> from the Flat
>
> on the
>
> First Floor.
>
>
> Fast forward:
>
> He now finds himself
>
> Flying
>
> Towards
>
> Fatherhood
>
> Fearful
>
> of the
>
> Future.
>
> What does Johnny have to say?
>
> Augusto
>
> On Fri, 29 May, 2020, 5:56 AM augusto pinto,  wrote:
>
> > In the age
> >
> > of Covid-19
> >
> > Anonymous
> >
> > Preachers
> >
> > Prattle
> >
> > on Mailing Lists
> >
> > whilst their Gods
> >
> > like Fleas
> >
> > in a Morgue
> >
> > Feast
> >
> > on Corpses.
> >
> > What does Johnny have to say?
> >
> > Augusto Pinto
> >
> > On Thu, 28 May, 2020, 6:13 AM augusto pinto,  wrote:
> >
> >> In the age
> >>
> >> of Covid-19
> >>
> >> Teachers
> >>
> >> have become
> >>
> >> Warriors.
> >>
> >> like Soldiers
> >>
> >> with 7th Pay
> >>
> >> Incomes
> >>
> >> they must do
> >>
> >> as they're told -
> >>
> >> and Not
> >>
> >> ask Questions.
> >>
> >> What does Johnny have to say?
> >>
> >> Augusto Pinto
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>

Re: [Goanet] The Lord's hand & ears; our sins & iniquities

[Venantius J Pinto]

That is all one can do for sure for anyone painted as a skeptic (a few
layers, here),
whether or not anyone else's perspective contemplates the efficacy of
prayer. All GOOD!
All is fair, and besides, the caveat being that, it helps when dissent is
presented in a
cordial and constructive manner; which is the absolute least that anyone
reasonable
should expect.

It is then that we understand the other, and could lead to specific
fruition. The obverse
is to be smarmy, banal, and churlish. Goans are exceedingly good at that.
Basically dukrapon!

It is always good to self-identify. But that takes courage, or is that
called stupidity?!

Venantius J Pinto



On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 3:32 AM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We are praying for the conversion of the sceptical. At the moment, they are
> self-identifying :-) FN
>
> On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 02:36, gipsport  wrote:
>
> > Can we please refrain from criticising Religion on the Goanet
> posts?Thanks
> > and be safe
>
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Re: [Goanet] The Lord's hand & ears; our sins & iniquities

[Venantius J Pinto]

Corrected!

But they were criticizing a perspective, not necessarily the religion. I
personally believe, only take it on if it hurts someone’s sensibility as in
ones religious feeling being abused, otherwise, simply leave it alone.
Besides anyone lackluster in the practice of Being obediently agnostic
should simply not let someone’s zeal get in their craw.

And it is a whole other thing to debate someone’s apologetics. So grab a
choris pau, or hump the one of your choice and ilk! But the latter does not
come easy. So the quasi/intellectual sniffing gets transposed onto such
feelings of ire. Ja! Saiba bhogos.

Venantius J Pinto

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:31 PM Venantius J Pinto 
wrote:

> But they were criticizing a perspective, not necessarily Thecreligion . I
> personally believe, take it on if it hurts someone’s sensibility as in
> abuses it, or simply leave it alone. Besides anyone lackluster in practice
> of obediently agnostic should simply not let someone’s zeal get in their
> craw.
>
> It is a whole other thing to debate someone’s apologetics. Just grab a
> choris pau, or hump the one of your choice! But the latter does not come
> easy. So the quasi/intellectual sniffing gets transposed. Saiba bhogos.
>
> Venantius J Pinto
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:06 PM gipsport  wrote:
>
>> Can we please refrain from criticising Religion on the Goanet
>> posts?Thanks and be safe Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>  Original message From: Eddie D'Sa 
>> Date: 27/05/2020  21:14  (GMT+00:00) To: GoaNet 
>> Cc: devakarg...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] The Lord's hand & ears; our
>> sins & iniquities More quotes from Mr Argham,1 Behold, the Lord's hand is
>> not shortened, that it cannot save, or his ear dull, that it cannot hear;2
>> but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and
>> your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear.Mr Arghan,
>> what language is this? Can you translate in today’s English please? Or ask
>> the guys in frocks at the Vatican.And why the constant focus on sins? Why
>> is your God so easily offended?And why do you hesitate to offer your own
>> views, instead of hiding behind the printed word??EddieFrom: Eddie
>> D'Sa<mailto:edsa0...@outlook.com>Sent: 27 May 2020 14:56To:
>> GoaNet<mailto:goanet@lists.goanet.org>Cc: devakarg...@gmail.com> devakarg...@gmail.com>Subject: "Rejoice", says the LordDear Mr Argham:In
>> your latest quote, Your Lord advises his followers  to rejoice always, no
>> matter what.He seems unaware that the corona pandemic is raging and has
>> killed thousands of people the world over.Your Lord seems to be a pretty
>> heartless fellow but you of course wouldn’t know.You mechanically select
>> passages from the Bible, constructed and  authorized by the holy white guys
>> of the Vatican. And of course, as a good Catholic, you wouldn’t dare
>> challenge any passage or make comments of your own.EddieSent from Mail<
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>
>

Re: [Goanet] "Rejoice", says the Lord

[Venantius J Pinto]

You either mean to ask:
You MEAN:
Is not Devak Argham a pseudonym?
OR
Is Devak Argham a pseudonym?

YES!YES!
Devak Argham would be a pseudonym if you regard And use it as such; as also
the use of Voznadik Vojem following, Abhar.

Pappia, a reasonable approach is to not ask a reverse or a rhetorical
question. Be direct. Grace brings clarity. Try to seek it. But I do not
understand why it would matter to you. Just live in the Spirit and avoid
dousing people with smarmy righteousness! And you will find   Peace.

Best,

Venantius

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:15 PM Voznadik Vojem 
wrote:

> Is it not Devak Argham a pseudonym?
> Abhar
> Voznadik Vojem
>

Re: [Goanet] What does Joao want to say?

[Venantius J Pinto]

You said it, João! That, it comes from the inner core of the poet.
I would know having illustrated a lot of poetry, and philosophical essays
among other things.
Besides having read a lot of poetry.

But truly, ot do I know?!
Still, pardon my digression.

Rock on!

Venantius J Pinto

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On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 3:52 AM Joao Barros-Pereira <
joaobarrospere...@gmail.com> wrote:

> real
> poetry
>
> always
>
> never
> belongs
>
> to the
> poet
>
> he
> or
> she
>
> is
> only
>
> a
> note taker
>
> taking
> notes
>
> What does Joao want to say?
>

Re: [Goanet] The Lockdown Alphabet by Goa Writers (Scroll.in, 23/5/2020)

[Venantius J Pinto]

Never a dull moment.

Venantius J Pinto


On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:06 AM V M  wrote:

> *Duxkallant teravo mhoino* said our elders in Konkani, “a thirteenth month
> in times of famine.” That earthy pragmatism girds the Goa Writers group’s
> response to the coronavirus emergency. We redoubled communication amongst
> ourselves, with its unbouded mutual support and encouragement, then created
> The Lockdown Journals (https://thelockdownjournals.wordpress.com), where
> the full range of our members from twenty-something neophytes to the
> 94-year-old novelist Victor Rangel-Ribeiro have all their voices to the
> mix.
>
> Founded in 2006, Goa Writers is a vibrant creative community of just over
> 50 members with strong connections to India’s smallest state, including
> several in Australia, UK, USA and Canada. We published the bestselling 2011
> anthology *Inside/Out: New Writing from Goa*, and since 2009 have co-hosted
> the acclaimed Goa Arts + Literature Festival, along with International
> Centre Goa.
>
> This lockdown alphabet – written exclusively for Scroll.in – reflects the
> remarkable diversity of our group, as well as the uncommon universality of
> the lockdown experience.
>
>
> https://scroll.in/article/962688/a-is-for-arrey-b-is-for-bafflement-a-lockdown-alphabet-by-26-goa-writers-from-around-the-world
>

Re: [Goanet] Happy Birthday Venantius

[Venantius J Pinto]

I would appreciate hearing any comments on that interview. But really, I am
shirting the edges of specialized knowledge and practice. And that is true.

V

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:52 AM Venantius J Pinto 
wrote:

> Roland,
>
> Thank you, but other than what I see, the artist Bohemian but very little
> of the pointers apply to me. Yet it is all nostalgic. But I genuinely
> appreciate your kindness. Very few people know about it, but it got leaked
> year last year. Its just that when you inquired about me I was steered to
> saying in response:  Overall good. Today, I have come a year closer to 60.
> Hoping that I get a chance to go to work, all things considered of
> course. The operative marker was the 60, and heck, no regrets! I am really
> a laborer, an artistic laborer who engages with thoughts at intersection of
> three vast areas, and could not be more happy at that grace.
>
> Basically a basket case and a good one (basket and case) or so I believe;
> biding my time without any anger (finally, final). I may start painting in
> oils (have done so decades ago), and feel there will be enough time 'fore I
> meet the worms. No lead up will be necessary. Meaning, I would not have to
> do 50-100 painting to get feel I am ready. :) And that is not being
> arrogant. We are all built differently.
>
> What some have seen are my illustrations, more recently, over the past
> year for Philosophy Now, UK. I am at the point where I wanted to be, but
> was unable to on account of my uncertainties, which have thankfully
> dissipated now. And there was no angst. I never wanted even a dot of mine
> to come from any angst-ridden corner. And I must mention that I am proud
> that so it has transpired.
>
> I am thankful not to have been trained as a painter; and am not being
> cocky. Illustratively, I do not work in one style but regard the text very
> conscientiously. Even as I skirt the edges of painting, I will not sell
> myself short. I respect opinions, but also as we say in Konkani: Tel lait
> gele! And respectfully that is the least I can gift myself being someone
> who has entirely picked up certain areas and brought other influences as
> also skills into my usual work. Well, slowly forging. No worries if I am
> called to give up the ghost. I have to stay on the path I chose, and move
> accordingly, as I feel we all should to keep going.
>
> Sharing an interview of mine in the Kyoto Journal, May 22, 2018:
> https://kyotojournal.org/blog-highlights/kj-staff-contributor-interviews-venantius-pinto/
>
>
>
> Much appreciation,
>
> Venantius J Pinto
>
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> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:32 AM Roland Francis 
> wrote:
>
>> To the Bohemian-Souza artist in New York who does mean paintings with oil
>> colours from paradise with a style all his own, our best wishes for a Happy
>> Birthday.
>>
>> Covid, Fovid, let your plate overflow with Xacuti and Sorpotel and your
>> glass with Madeira!
>>
>> Roland.
>> Toronto.
>>
>>

Re: [Goanet] Happy Birthday Venantius

[Venantius J Pinto]

skirting*

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 4:30 PM Venantius J Pinto 
wrote:

> I would appreciate hearing any comments on that interview. But really, I
> am shirting the edges of specialized knowledge and practice. And that is
> true.
> 
> V
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:52 AM Venantius J Pinto <
> venantius.pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Roland,
>>
>> Thank you, but other than what I see, the artist Bohemian but very little
>> of the pointers apply to me. Yet it is all nostalgic. But I genuinely
>> appreciate your kindness. Very few people know about it, but it got leaked
>> year last year. Its just that when you inquired about me I was steered to
>> saying in response:  Overall good. Today, I have come a year closer to 60.
>> Hoping that I get a chance to go to work, all things considered of
>> course. The operative marker was the 60, and heck, no regrets! I am really
>> a laborer, an artistic laborer who engages with thoughts at intersection of
>> three vast areas, and could not be more happy at that grace.
>>
>> Basically a basket case and a good one (basket and case) or so I believe;
>> biding my time without any anger (finally, final). I may start painting in
>> oils (have done so decades ago), and feel there will be enough time 'fore I
>> meet the worms. No lead up will be necessary. Meaning, I would not have to
>> do 50-100 painting to get feel I am ready. :) And that is not being
>> arrogant. We are all built differently.
>>
>> What some have seen are my illustrations, more recently, over the past
>> year for Philosophy Now, UK. I am at the point where I wanted to be, but
>> was unable to on account of my uncertainties, which have thankfully
>> dissipated now. And there was no angst. I never wanted even a dot of mine
>> to come from any angst-ridden corner. And I must mention that I am proud
>> that so it has transpired.
>>
>> I am thankful not to have been trained as a painter; and am not being
>> cocky. Illustratively, I do not work in one style but regard the text very
>> conscientiously. Even as I skirt the edges of painting, I will not sell
>> myself short. I respect opinions, but also as we say in Konkani: Tel lait
>> gele! And respectfully that is the least I can gift myself being someone
>> who has entirely picked up certain areas and brought other influences as
>> also skills into my usual work. Well, slowly forging. No worries if I am
>> called to give up the ghost. I have to stay on the path I chose, and move
>> accordingly, as I feel we all should to keep going.
>>
>> Sharing an interview of mine in the Kyoto Journal, May 22, 2018:
>> https://kyotojournal.org/blog-highlights/kj-staff-contributor-interviews-venantius-pinto/
>>
>>
>>
>> Much appreciation,
>>
>> Venantius J Pinto
>>
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>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:32 AM Roland Francis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To the Bohemian-Souza artist in New York who does mean paintings with
>>> oil colours from paradise with a style all his own, our best wishes for a
>>> Happy Birthday.
>>>
>>> Covid, Fovid, let your plate overflow with Xacuti and Sorpotel and your
>>> glass with Madeira!
>>>
>>> Roland.
>>> Toronto.
>>>
>>>

Re: [Goanet] Happy Birthday Venantius

[Venantius J Pinto]

Roland,

Thank you, but other than what I see, the artist Bohemian but very little
of the pointers apply to me. Yet it is all nostalgic. But I genuinely
appreciate your kindness. Very few people know about it, but it got leaked
year last year. Its just that when you inquired about me I was steered to
saying in response:  Overall good. Today, I have come a year closer to 60.
Hoping that I get a chance to go to work, all things considered of
course. The operative marker was the 60, and heck, no regrets! I am really
a laborer, an artistic laborer who engages with thoughts at intersection of
three vast areas, and could not be more happy at that grace.

Basically a basket case and a good one (basket and case) or so I believe;
biding my time without any anger (finally, final). I may start painting in
oils (have done so decades ago), and feel there will be enough time 'fore I
meet the worms. No lead up will be necessary. Meaning, I would not have to
do 50-100 painting to get feel I am ready. :) And that is not being
arrogant. We are all built differently.

What some have seen are my illustrations, more recently, over the past year
for Philosophy Now, UK. I am at the point where I wanted to be, but was
unable to on account of my uncertainties, which have thankfully dissipated
now. And there was no angst. I never wanted even a dot of mine to come from
any angst-ridden corner. And I must mention that I am proud that so it has
transpired.

I am thankful not to have been trained as a painter; and am not being
cocky. Illustratively, I do not work in one style but regard the text very
conscientiously. Even as I skirt the edges of painting, I will not sell
myself short. I respect opinions, but also as we say in Konkani: Tel lait
gele! And respectfully that is the least I can gift myself being someone
who has entirely picked up certain areas and brought other influences as
also skills into my usual work. Well, slowly forging. No worries if I am
called to give up the ghost. I have to stay on the path I chose, and move
accordingly, as I feel we all should to keep going.

Sharing an interview of mine in the Kyoto Journal, May 22, 2018:
https://kyotojournal.org/blog-highlights/kj-staff-contributor-interviews-venantius-pinto/



Much appreciation,

Venantius J Pinto

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On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 2:32 AM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> To the Bohemian-Souza artist in New York who does mean paintings with oil
> colours from paradise with a style all his own, our best wishes for a Happy
> Birthday.
>
> Covid, Fovid, let your plate overflow with Xacuti and Sorpotel and your
> glass with Madeira!
>
> Roland.
> Toronto.
>
>

Re: [Goanet] When did East Africans come to Goa?

[Venantius J Pinto]

As a child growing up in Bombay I heard  on and off about the Habshis/
Khapris fleeing into the jungles.

Could someone say what was their fears?

I presume by “Abhar” you mean to say thank you.

Thank you,

Venantius J Pinto


On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 3:46 AM Voznadik Vojem 
wrote:

> The answer may lie hidden and buried deep inside North Canara in
> Karnataka.  To say that East African came to Goa is an understatement. In
> fact, majority of East Africans were brought to Goa as slaves.
> To understand we have to go back 6th or 7th century when Arabs took control
> of Swahili Coast(much of East Africa), and captured Bantu (Janz)people to
> be traded as slaves to Persian Gulf and as far away as to China and India.
> Ostensibly, slave trade from the East African coast to Goa  existed long
> before Portuguese and English mastered it. Much changed after the slavery
> was abolished by Indian Slavery Act of 1843.
> Fearing for their safety, the Bantus in Goa, took refuge deep in the
> jungles bordering Goa.   In some villages in Goa, the Bantus were
> colloquially referred to  as "Habshis".  Nowadays, the Bantu people are
> known as "Siddis".  The Siddis of Goa are mainly concentrated in Uttara
> Kanada and till today speak in Konkani.
>
> Abhar,
> Voznadik Vojem
>

Re: [Goanet] migrant labour

[Venantius J Pinto]

GOANS simply must learn basic skills and learn to work for themselves to
the extent possible. No one walks into the house of through it. Period.
Deals must to be clear cut. Get your Christianity in order.

Ball sandlo!!! Attan chedvam sandunk toyar assay. No one dare say I’m being
xenophobic!

Be kind, still pit them against the other no matter what! Besides, you do
not know the level of their skills. So, test them for between 1-3 days. Let
them know the plan. Stay firm. Stay kind. But do not be dumb. No need to
get to know anyone!

If GOANS are not equally invested in speaking with one voice you are beyond
screwed.

All this pandering to politicians who talking about ancient culture is
F**kall.

Venantius J Pinto

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 10:04 AM Nelson Lopes  wrote:

> Migrant  labour
>
> It has suddenly dawned on the administrations in the states, Centre   the
> magnitude of migrant work force. Soon awareness will be realized as to how
> dependent we can be on migrant workers. The labour day pays verbal tribute
> to their contributions in moving the wheels of progress and development, It
>  endeavors to recognize the dignity of such labour and treat  them with
> respect and honour. The observation or celebration of Labour Day has had
> not much effect on their lives or their standard of living .The labour in
> industries has some say, bargaining power due to Union presence. The
> agriculture , daily and casual labourers  are  not impacted much.. The
> minimum wages  are enforced by law , but  they are forced to accept at much
> below the prevailing market rates. The pathetic conditions of their living
> conditions, water, sanitation, electricity, access to health, education are
> of sub human conditions. The contractors exploit them and often do not pay
> the minimum wages in time. Hence it must be incumbent on the employers
> compulsorily to provide basic living conditions in tune with human dignity
> and such basic  living conditions  must be rigorously enforced by labour
> departments with  provision for heavy penalties for violators.
>
> In Goa too,  the place is considered heaven for migrants pouring from
> Maharashtra, Karnataka,, Orissa, Bihar, Rajasthan etc .The migrants are
> absorbed in Road construction, railway lines and maintenance laying of
> service lines, electricity, water, telephone   seasonal agriculture
> ,sewage, garbage , etc by municipalities.  Many have comparably decent
> accommodation with reasonably good facilities. But it is way expensive for
> expenditure on food  alone  for their earnings. The migrants are named as
> Ghantis, a derogatory  term usually  assigned to   those  descending from
> from Ghats .It  now encompasses  all irrespective from place of origin
> .There is a huge gap of demand and supply in the state .They find openings
> in fishing industry, retail trade like fish, vegetables, fruits, street
> food, house maids etc. There is shortage of fitters , electricians, masons,
>  cooks and waiters in hotel industry, tourism related activities,
> carpenters, bakers, technicians, tailors. Goans are slowly moving away from
> these traditional occupations and due too outer migrations, careers at sea,
> and children being educated are looking for white colored jobs ,Hence,
> there is absolute shortage of labour. Painting, plastering, helpers in
> buildings etc are contracted to migrants. The construction of bridges in
> the State , has no skilled labour   available at all
>
> The politicians have also taken advantage of vote banks and have allowed
> mushrooming of legalized shanties on Communidade land. They are easily
> provided with ration, Aadhhar .voting, health cards , free health
> facilities and care ,assuring  them of permanent resident status. Many are
> also being given Govt land to build houses too.
>
> The migrant labour is exploiting the situation to the hilt. The roof
> carpenters, masons,  , , helpers, painters,  electrician, plumbers charge
> anything between Rs 800 to Rs 1000 per day of working between 5/6 hrs like
> office  goers . Fruit pickers charge as per contracts between Rs 1000 to
> R1500 FOR 2  hrs work and also demand  fruits. Coconut pluckers charge  Rs
> 100 per  tree, Agriculture labour too charges Rs  500= to Rs800 =perday of
> less than  eight hours. They demand refreshments too, part of our Goan
>  hospitality  custom . Backers, carpenters, tailors, sausage productions
> have taken over by migrants  , Shops dealing with electric goods, medicines
> are  monopolized  by migrants and also contract labour
>
> The Goans are aghast at being exploited by these migrants and there is no
> alternative, as many of our traditional workers have given up .There is
> resentment at this exploitative situation, but there is no way out. This is
> the price of developmen

Re: [Goanet] Democracy Dies in Darkness (Dhaka Tribune, 23/4/2020)

[Venantius J Pinto]

Splendid narrative, practically allegorical!

Thank you

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:21 PM V M  wrote:

>
> https://www.dhakatribune.com/opinion/op-ed/2020/04/23/democracy-dies-in-darkness
>
> Long before the Washington Post adopted ‘Democracy Dies in Darkness’
> as its first official slogan in 140 years, the powerful phrase was
> associated with government skullduggery. It originated during
> Watergate, the stunning 1970s political scandal which resulted in the
> resignation of president Richard Nixon. Five decades later,
> resuscitated on the masthead of Jeff Bezos’s newspaper, it’s an
> enduring reminder that vigilance – and the sustaining transparency of
> daylight - is the eternal price for liberty.
>
> Immensely worrying then, with authoritarianism already on the rise,
> that the coronavirus emergency has plunged the world into virtual
> darkness. With checks and balances in disarray, alarming power grabs
> are underway in several countries.
>
> Hungary’s prime minister Viktor Orban has secured emergency powers
> giving him the right to rule indefinitely. A few days ago, the Israeli
> newspaper Haaretz accused Benjamin Netanyahu of perpetrating “a
> coronavirus coup” and editorialized that “Americans should beware a
> Trump who decides to emulate Netanyahu. The U.S. president, who now
> fancies himself a “Wartime President” with all the emergency powers
> that accompany the title, will go farther and more radical than
> Netanyahu would ever dare.”
>
> In Brazil and Chile, and closer to home in Thailand and the
> Philippines, there are inescapable indications of the emergence of
> autocracy. As Fionnuala Ni Aolain, the United Nations Special
> Rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights recently warned, “We
> could have a parallel epidemic of authoritarian and repressive
> measures following close if not on the heels of a health epidemic.”
>
> In India, there are many disconcerting developments under cover of
> lockdown. The outspoken author and conservationist Prerna Bindra told
> me, “during the current crisis, there have been a number of official
> decisions which are of great concern, that undermine democracy.” She
> pointed out the government published its highly contentious draft
> environmental impact assessment notification to dilute its crucial
> public hearing component after the WHO confirmed that Covid-19 was a
> pandemic. Many environmentalists fear this is the backdoor
> regularization of massive violations.
>
> Bindra says, “while the country is caught in crisis mode, projects
> have been approved in and around sanctuaries, and crucial tiger
> habitats, including the pristine Western Ghats. Calling for public
> comments in this situation seems to be a mockery. How do the people in
> remote regions who are going to be impacted even know this process is
> going on? Where is the democracy in this? In my view, to prioritize
> these kinds of ecologically damaging projects, even as we know
> definitively that the root cause of such pandemics is the destruction
> of natural ecosystems, demonstrates dismal disregard for consultative
> processes as well as public health.”
>
> Earlier this week, the New York Times carried a trenchant opinion
> piece entitled, “In India, a Pandemic of Prejudice and Repression.”
> Its author, Siddharth Varadarajan, is an editor of The Wire, an
> independent-minded news website, about which he says, “At one point,
> we faced 14 defamation cases, all of them frivolous, seeking damages
> totaling $1.3 billion. The cases were filed by people who are either a
> part of the ruling establishment or considered close to it.”
>
> Even though state borders are closed, Varadarajan writes, “policemen
> were dispatched from Ayodhya to my home in New Delhi, 435 miles away,
> to summon me” even though, “they knew I would never be able to make it
> across state lines. They also knew I would be unable to approach the
> courts because of the lockdown, making me potentially liable to
> arrest.”
>
> The Editors Guild of India responded sharply, “No democracy anywhere
> in the world is fighting the pandemic by gagging the media” and
> Varadarajan notes “civil society outcry over this intimidation forced
> the police to backtrack.” But immediately afterwards, “the human
> rights activist Gautam Navlakha and Anand Teltumbde, a management
> professor and leading intellectual, were taken into custody last week
> under a draconian antiterrorism law on the flimsiest of evidence.”
>
> Just this week, the Editor’s Guild was forced to react again, as the
> acclaimed Kashmiri journalists Gowhar Geelani and Peerzada Ashiq were
> charged by the police in the normal course of their daily work, with
> their colleague, the brilliant 26-year-old photojournalist Masrat
> Zahra facing the  extraordinary accusation of “activities against the
> integrity and sovereignty of India” under the oppressive Unlawful
> Activities (Prevention) Act.
>
> This time, the apex journalist’s body said “Any recourse to 

Re: [Goanet] Irresponsible and Unethical Horrible Poetry

[Venantius J Pinto]

Grandolfo,

My words were in jest to Joao Barros, although they may have sounded terse:
or even, crude.
But where does the expressed "controlled anger" stem from"? Is it plain
good ole Goan fun. Or, valid righteous anger.

Now respectfully, although this too may comes as terse and pointed! I will
do not best not to however inadvertently mislead you in sharing my thoughts
and questions.
Do not forget I am saying EVERYTHING WITH RESPECT!

So, moving on, why the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" argumentation?
Is it baseline fokannam/bankass/joke yaart?
What is the attempt in saying following:
This horrible poet, (I won[t name him lets call him White Portuguese Pear+
does not understand ethics...He thinks that the conditions to go to Heaven
and Hell are the same   and have all who do care for you?

 Meaning, why label this "said" poet a White Portuguese Pear? It may not
matter, but why allow the mind to make such a connection. How does it serve
your readers and surely admirers, to piggy back atop my post, the thoughts
leading from "This horrible poet" Is it a variant of leading on? Pied
Pipergiri, perhaps, I cannot believe it has anything possibly to do with
the proverbial Goan bamtyaponn?! Nascent or otherwise!

Moving on!
vjp: Did you study Rhetorics at the Sorbonne? (addressed facetiously to
Joao Barros)
Grandolfo: My foot Sorbonne more like Sarajevo. Not only did it lead to
the
conflagration of World War I.

Are we supposed to receive some awareness from "My foot ..."; to my
facetious question (see above)?

Moving on, Sarajevo has a rich rhetorical and literary tradition, including
beyond rhetoric and poetry.
Try just a few:
Skender Kulenovic
Karim Zaimovic, who described the war without mentioning it in The Secrets
of Raspberry Jam
Semezdin Memedinovic

Also, consider the University of Sarajevo. Any university is so much as the
quality of the disciplines practiced in rigor by the the departments, its
professors, and its students

I continue to watch all of you my Goan brethren from separate shores; and
celebrate. But ot do I know, being that I am an artistic laborer of Goan
origin, born in, saiba bhogos, Bombay.

Rest easy; and with much affection!

+

Doxi lavnno bukul Zonvnno!


Venantius J Pinto


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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:56 PM Adolfo Mascarenhas 
wrote:

> --
>   Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 05:20:25 -0400  Message: 4
>
> In your message Message-ID:
> <
> caoy3ljp5zaybmfsh9tqsujsshtz8guyncmb7zgzm-pw3oka...@mail.gmail.com
> >of  dated  22 April on  on the Subject: Re: [Goanet] What does Joao want
> to say?
>
>
>
> You said it! Goenkar, why the rhetorical flourish at the end? Or is it a
> mere device/desi ornamentation?
>
> Did you study Rhetorics at the Sorbonne?
>  My foot Sorbonne more like Sarajevo. Not only did it lead to the
> conflagration of World War I.
>
>
> This horrible poet, (I won[t name him lets call him White Portuguese Pear+
> does not understand ethics...He thinks that the conditions to go to Heaven
> and Hell are the same
>
>
> Can you imagine the fate of Goanet, if we all decided to Imitated the WPP
>  Ug.
>
>
> Please desist from horrible poems.Has anybody  bothered to respond.
>
>
> Grandolfo
>
> In a controlled anger
>
> .
>