Re: [Hardhats-members] Laptop, VISTA and M
Laptops and linux... I have a humble recommendation if you are going the linux laptop route Make sure you get one with an nvidia card... the ati support is weak. Having said that, Nancy's advice is dead on! I have a habit of buying the coolest hardware I can find (or someone gives me) and shoehorning linux onto it. Whether it is a good match or not (and so far only a few complaints). But, if you are going the laptop linux route. And, you want cprs to work right (completely right) then you may want a large one (memory) and a fast one (cpu), because you are probably going to need to run a virtual machine running windows in which you will run cprs. *blech* my .02 euros Emmanuel On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 11:27 -0400, Nancy Anthracite wrote: I have to say that it is not quite as easy as putting in the Knoppix CD. We did that with a laptop I purchased not too long ago and it detected the USB ports just fine. However, my son, who is no novice at this, could never get them to function nor could a guru who was posting online about it. He was a kernel hacker sort. It turned out the bios software in this particular machine was the problem. It worked with an older bios but the newer machines were sold with a different bios that appears on first blush to work with the USB ports, but does not work and the company refused to give us a copy of the bios software. Raymond (my son) usually investigates the chip sets of the components in the machine online and matches them up with what he discovers about the hardware after checking the System-Hardware for what the hardware is on a display model in the store. I is a tedious job, but it works. The other suggestion he has is to buy a model that is advertised as sold with Linux loaded in one of the Linux mags, or look online to see if someone else has everything working on that model. It is far and away best to have components that work with open source drivers because the experience of many has been that it things are not working, it is often a closed source driver causing the problem. Video board and modem drivers have been the two we have had trouble with that straightened out with open source drivers. I believe Raymond was successful within the last month at getting the low end Toshiba tablet PC that is being sold with a rebate lately to work, including the touch screen. If anyone is interested in that, I would suggest you contact me off list and I will try to get him to send you the details. On Thursday 25 August 2005 09:31 am, Bhaskar, KS wrote: Ron -- I have a few minutes while a file uploads, so even though this is not my area of expertise, here goes... There is no *best* laptop. Models and prices change every day. Also, if you buy a bleeding edge model, there is no guarantee that you will have a good video driver with either XP or Linux (a friend, who, ironically subsequently took a job with Microsoft, bought a Dell laptop for which the XP driver had not been released yet, and had to return it and buy an older model). I would not buy a laptop over the Internet unless you can buy it with something like a 30-day money back (less possibly a restocking fee). Try a local store, or a computer show in your area (the latter is where I bought my home laptop). I would look for a laptop with USB 2 ports, rather than USB 1.1 ports. Built-in Wifi is desirable, as is Bluetooth if you use it (I avoid Bluetooth because of security concerns). Also, make sure that the display is physically capable of better than 1024x768 resolution - 1400x1050 may be a nice compromise between resolution and price. If you want to use dial-up Internet access or fax, make sure the (software) modem is Linux compatible. Also, make sure that built-in Wifi is Linux compatible. It's easy to test hardware compatibility with Linux. Download a current Knoppix live CD from http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html or the latest OpenVistA VivA FOIA Gold live DVD from http://sourceforge.net/projects/worldvista and boot it. If it boots and runs successfully, the hardware is compatible. You can press F2 at the splash screen to explore boot options for higher screen resolutions, etc. It's not so easy to test hardware compatibility with XP and technical support is flaky - my friend was asked by tech support to reinstall Win XP from the CD before they concluded that there was a video driver problem. But I suppose you can play with the machine at the store. http://tuxmobil.org has information on Linux laptop hardware compatibility. Good luck - and be sure to share your experience and advice with the list. -- Bhaskar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Ron Ponto Sent: Thu 8/25/2005 7:19 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Subject:[Hardhats-members] Laptop, VISTA and M What would be
Re: [Hardhats-members] Re: MUMPS and VistA ( more M read questions)
OHOHOHOH! I got this one! Call it paramyxovirus or... maybe... live attenuated mumps that way people know it isn't as virulent!!! Or... maybe I will just be quiet again BTW... Kevin... can you call external routines or system functions in mumps? If so... well... why don't you do the reads that way. Ok.. .now I am bowing out... On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 13:44 -0400, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: how about M# or MOOL?:-) On 8/23/05, Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 12:15, Greg Woodhouse wrote: ANYTHING but M++! Call it longhorn Ruben --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] MUMPS features
Heh... ok... I know that I am not a MUMPS guru.. or even n00b but I have written both compilers and interpreters in the dim dim dim dim dim dim recesses of time... And I can't help but think, that it isn't the best thought out feature (reads mistake) of the language. I think that operator precedence is valid even in math and not only in computer languages. The only reason I can think of left to right is because it was easy and doesn't require any heavy parsing. But... then again... I accept that I could be totally and completely wrong... it has happened before. um... at least I think it has. :) On Sat, 2005-08-20 at 17:26 -0400, smcphelan wrote: For this esoteric message, is left-to-right really easier for all people, e.g., Israelis or anyone else who native language is to read right to left? M was developed in the US so it is natural that that language adopted a Western perspective. - Original Message - From: Holloway, Thomas (EDS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] MUMPS features Maybe it's a case of reductio ad absurdum but if I have a long arithmetic list like: 5+9+33+87-92+28+77*4-15-61+88+342 why in the world would I go into the middle to multiply 4*77 before starting on the rest of the math? That makes no sense at all. Multiplication trumps addition? Are we playing bridge here? And yes, having studied other languages I'm aware of their weird operator precedence and, much like Jim, can't remember which does what. Left to right, what could be simpler? Just like reading. Can you imagine reading a line of code where For and Do took precedence over If and Write? I vote left-to-right (as if this were a decision that had to be made.) Thom H. --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA GPL
YAY!! oh wait... I don't think I am supposed to cheer just yet. :/ Emmanuel. On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 14:26 -0700, Fred Trotter wrote: Hi, I remember listening in on a Hardhats con-call recently about using the GPL for more and more parts of VistA. Given Stallmans appearance on the last call I wondered if this might be an appropriate time to bring the issue up. For me this is a central issue. The GPL provides the medical community with protection from software vendors that it simply cannot get elsewhere. I have started a site, GPLmedicine.org where I argue that the GPL is the only moral license for medical software. The keep-it-free nature of the GPL is central to forward progress in healthcare. I think the relatively unclear position of Medspheres version of VistA is a pretty good example of why it is important to keep-it-free. I personally think the people who have been working on improving VistA for most of their adult lives might resent Medsphere hoarding its improvements to their life work. Am I wrong? I am definitely a peripheral member of this community, but I am think this is a critical issue for everyone in Open Source software. Is there any consensus about this issue within the VistA community? Please feel free to simply point me to a prior discussion. Regards, Fred Trotter --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Hello All,
This is Emmanuel, I am back from my whirlwind tour of the states to find that my email server has puked. If anyone, had tried to reach me... well it should work now :) ? Um what is the status of vista :) Anyway, hello all! --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Languishing Wikki . . . What's up?
blush... and I am one who said he was going to put something up. but it isn't done yet. not that it is that good to begin with Sorry Kevin, et all.. On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 19:15 -0700, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: I just looked at the change log at the WorldVistA Wikki. Mark Street and I are the only people who have put anything there in the last 30 days. SoapBox Shame on you all. Are we a community or what? Does everyone have everything figured out and are happy with the way things are? How are we ever going to be able to welcome newcomers to our ranks--especially when VistA Office comes out? This is not esoteric documentation. It is simply recording real-life solution to problems encountered, so others can avoid our mistakes. /SoapBox Contributions would be appreciated... http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=Main_Page Kevin __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393alloc_id=16281op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393alloc_id=16281op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Orthopedic Users of VistA
I haven't actually used it yet... I am still trying to get everything converted and going. But, I am interested in orthopedics, and there are several aspects of vista that seem specifically tailored toward orthopods (sounds like a bug :). Manolis On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 08:04 -0600, Don Donigan wrote: Dear friends, I am a consultant in New Mexico, USA. I have a client that is a group of Orthopedic surgeons who are looking hard at EMR. I am trying to get them to look at VistA as a potential solution to their needs. They would like to speak to other orthopods who are using the system currently in a non-VA setting. Are any of you on this list? Best regards, Donald R. Donigan donigan technology, LLC dba Desert CODE Works [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Runnig CPRS client on XP on European computer
I think it has to do with decimal places. , are used for decimals in Greece at least and . denotes thousands. I don't remember where the problem cropt (sp?) up. But I had the same problem I don't remember what I did either... sorry... I think I changed the localization to accept . for a decimal place. Also make sure he isn't using unicode :) Manolis On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 13:12 -0400, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: A non-English colleague is having difficulty running CPRS ... he is on Win XP... I have a hunch it is the date format that is the problem as the default date order is different in Europe than in NA I saw the same problem last fall on the list but can't find the solution in the archivecould someone please shed some light on this the default order in NA is day/month/year and I suppose needs to be set to that in the Windows XP system if it is different. The error is 3050428.182442 is not a valid floating point value Thanks Joseph --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] OpenVistA_VivA_0.4
Hi Jason ! I am Manolis, I only recently realized I had a problem. Have some coffee, look at some of the pamphlets on the wiki sight. http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=Main_Page Remember the first step is to admit you have a problem. Hey everybody, say Hi to Jason. Manolis On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 00:04 +0800, Boon Teck Tan wrote: Hi, my name is Jason ... and I'm a VistAholic ... :-) Newbie here and I may need some help on and off, if you don't mind. I've followed the steps laid out on: http://openforum.worldvista.org/~forum/index.php?title=Introducing_OpenVistA_VivA_0.1 I've installed the database for the OpenVistA VivA v0.4 Live CD and am able to launch VistA. I typed D ^XUP and was prompted with Setting up programmer environment Access Code: I understand that the VivA version is a *demo* and am expecting some sample data. What am I supposed to do next after getting the prompt above. May I know what documentation I should read next to proceed? Thank you in advance. Jason Tan Boon Teck --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id5hix ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Trademark openvista
A so there is a warm and fuzzy explanation... Thought so glad I didn't insert foot down throat.merely in mouth. ;) On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 06:52 -0400, Nancy Anthracite wrote: As I understand it, the Hui uses Hui OpenVistA, WorldVistA was going to use OpenVistA and Medsphere would use Medsphere OpenVistA, and at one time the story I heard was that they had applied for the TM to protect it and it would be given to WorldVistA. However, so far that has not happened. Until it does, I am waiting before I make more buttons. On Monday 25 April 2005 12:20 am, JohnLeo Zimmer wrote: Nancy Anthracite wrote: Trademark web site of OpenVistA http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=docstate=4fule4.2.1 Nancy, can always be trusted add to the discussion. I'm just a country doctor here on the west coast of Iowa, but Medsphere's application says Filing Date: November 26, 2003 A press release (dated July 31, 2003) from the Pacific Telehealth and Technology Hui seems pertinent: http://www.pacifichui.org/media/press_releases/HuiOpenVistaInterest.pdf Quoting Steve Shreeve's words at that time: The Hui has served as a catalyst in the creation and dissemination of OpenVista as the first open-source, enterprise healthcare information system available in the healthcare market, said Steve Shreeve, Medsphere CEO, Funding the development and technology transfer of OpenVista has opened the door to multiple opportunities for our company, the open-source community and healthcare organizations worldwide. Steve seems to be saying that the Hui funded the creation and dissemination of OpenVista in which his nascent corporation participated... so how does that lead to his owning the name OpenVista? I would expect exactly the opposite. regards, jlz exclusive owner of Gra'paZ OpenVistA --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista-Office - ..worldvista..openvista...opensource... off-topic eh?
Yes, you can argue about licenses from now until Sunday (in fact today :) I admit arguing about licenses is a bit like a religious argument. However, from what Mark says the issue of the license is completely moot. Because, Vista is NOT opensource. In fact it isn't even really free. It is a free copy of something closed. And just like you can make an origami bird from a copy of the bill of rights, if you did such to the original people would be quite miffed, and rightly so (actually they would probably be miffed if you did it to a copy too... but not as miffed). My main reason for being a proponent of GPL.. even though, as you point out there are issues with it.. Is because it DOES foster a unified development, despite the other issues surrounding it. For instance, how many people/companies have developed Gynecology or Pediatrics or modules for vista, and not released them as opensource to the comunity? So the wheel has to be reinvented time and time again. Who exactly, defines clearly distinct? What does that mean? Does it need VistA to run? Yours, mine, and ours... are not really community sentiments. Oh.. and even, if something is opensourced you can still sell it. Ah... whatever... (DAMN soapbox broke) Manolis P.S. I joined the mailing list, but it doesn't seem like there is too much action lately. On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 17:56 -0500, Maury Pepper wrote: Drs Kevin Bones (alias Rosanne Rosanneadanna, alias Emily Litella) Yes, the line must have been staticky. WorldVistA will definitely be putting an open source license on OpenVistA. Which license it will be is under discussion. GPL has both fans and critics, and in the fine print, it's not exactly clear where the boundaries are that separate what's yours from what's ours when it comes to packages bundled like VistA, written in code like M[UMPS]. Kevin's comment is correct, and that is why it's important to pick a license that will allow add-ons that are clearly distinct from VistA. That said, we also want a license that will foster a strong central repository -- not a fragmented one. A reminder: comments regarding this topic are welcome on the discussion list vista-open-source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vista-open-source -maury- - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista-Office - ..worldvista..openvista...opensource... off-topic eh? The understanding I got was that we wanted to allow companies to be able to develop modules that work with VistA, and have them be propriatary. Even on Linux, one can make a commercial program that makes use of open source technology. Kevin Doctor Bones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize, that I am doing nothing but muckraking at the moment... and, I know that I am NOT by any means a core vista person or personality. BUT... I am offended that we call openvista, openvista... it isn't covered by the GPL or another license that ensures development happens in the open. HENCE the open for the OPEN source. I realize I may be going off half cocked here and the connection was bad but from the meeting in Boston... I remember someone from world vista saying that they want to ensure that developers who develop code are not bound to release it as open source. ALTHOUGH it is a really good idea and we really appreciate it. This to me just sounds extremely wrong. You are just asking for a fragmented code base... and you are ensuring that NO major new developments happen from anyone outside the VA, unless out of some personal or corporate guiding principle decide to release it as open source. Thank you Sanchez and your new owners. I can assure you that whatever development I may/will/probably do will be opensourced and GPL'd... Does this mean that I don't want money... NO But, this does mean that I don't want money for making whatever changes I make to a FREE Software product. I know that no matter what I do will not equal the work done by one of the many hero's
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista-Office - ..worldvista..openvista...opensource... off-topic eh?
Several people (as in more than one but less than a billion) have written to me and said that a big reason that they do not participate, even though they are interested in VistA is the lack of an open license. In my previous post I mentioned something about wheels... we should be flying by now... I am still writing the documentation that I said would be done yesterday. I already know it is going to suck... but it will be released GNU FDL which means that you can modify it and make it better :P Manolis On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 02:19 +0300, Doctor Bones wrote: BLAH BLAH BLAH --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista-Office - ..worldvista..openvista...opensource... off-topic eh?
Perhaps I am wrong... wait... I know... hard to believe :) BUT My point about FOIA's freeness is that it is free, not open. That is why people take it modify it and make other products from it. If it where open...it would foster more development. Several people I know are interested in Peds, and Gyne... which are notably absent. Several groups from my understanding have developed peds and gyne. But, have not shared them, simply because they don't have to. Now, if someone else develops peds and shares it to the community with a gpl'd vista then everyone can use it. And, the people who wanted to develop peds, now can focus their energies on other aspects. Let's say then that Kevin writes a completely new imaging system for vista because all the time he would have devoted to replicating a peds module is freed for him to work on imaging. He can horde it, but if he uses the gpl'd vista and the peds module that has been added then he is ethically and legally bound to release it gpl. Kevin's name was chosen at random but, the example wasn't. By saying that people will not use GPL until someone makes a GPL contribution is in my mind the exactly wrong way to look at it. You make it GPL and people will grow it to the point were companies will actually prefer to use a much modified GPLd VistA than the FOIA which of course will still be incorporated into the GPLd product. The idea isn't leading the horse to water and trying to make him drink... It is rather ... you lead the horse to water... there is an overhanging rock formation that nearly bridges the water. The overhang has been built by years of water erosion due to some beavers upstream diverting water into this particular channel. Now... the horse with his MIT doctorate in civil engineering takes leftover wood from the beavers dam building and completes the small portion remaining of this bridge He then claims the bridge is his and requires toll to pass. Oh... and he won't tell you how he made the remaining portion of the bridge. But, you are free to go find your own overhang.. or perhaps just to go hang. Or something like that. Manolis The Opensource mother goose On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 09:48 -0400, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: There is nothing preventing anyone from working with VistA as an open source code base. As far as licensing is concernec, there is an old saying you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drinkwith emphasis on the make. What is more of a challenge is opening the mindset of those who have built businesses with or have bought into the legacy paradigms that we are all familiar with. An appropriate license is necessary but it is not sufficient to stimulate open source behaviouruntil there is a compatible and significantly more valuable alternative to FOIA VistA there is no incentive to seriously consider and understand the open source process. The interesting thing is that there will always be a FOIA alternative so companies will be free to continue pursuing whatever approach they prefer with that code base. Joseph --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing.
Exactly, it couldn't, but the install routines, the additional modules, the documentation (non-VA) all of that could. My little attempt at getting greek to work even though it isn't much more than a hack and a hack explained to me by others could. And that could aid other Greek or foreign language implementers work on other things that are more important. So, if you use the modules, if you use the routines, if you use gpl software than you should gpl your source. By the way... VistA isn't exactly public domain either, because the VA will not allow external modifications to find it's way back to the codestream. It is a public domain copy. Which you can do with what you want, except alter the original. And, because Vista FOIA is released every so often, that would also have to be incorporated into the GPL modifications... We ( well not me per ce) are kind of doing that now (but without the license)... with viva .x instead of the foia. ... And NO, it isn't a perfect way to do GPL, but I don't really see the Government GPL'ing Vista, so it is up to us to GPL the modifications we make. ... I notice that I use GPL a lot... nothing wrong with the BSD license either... In fact I am even a Berkeley grad. On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 14:09 -0700, Gregory Woodhouse wrote: I can understand how new modules (a.k.a packages) built on top of VistA infrastructure could be licensed under GPL, but I cannot believe that software obtained via FOIA could simply declared to be open source. Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 24, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Roy Gaber wrote: VistA is Public Domain, not Open Source, always has been, always (at least should) will be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ignacio Valdes Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:38 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing. I would suspect that the license would have to come down to either GNU GPL or FreeBSD type-license. Now, deciding between the two: let the games begin! :-) -- IV --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista-Office - ..worldvista..openvista...opensource... off-topic eh?
I realize, that I am doing nothing but muckraking at the moment... and, I know that I am NOT by any means a core vista person or personality. BUT... I am offended that we call openvista, openvista... it isn't covered by the GPL or another license that ensures development happens in the open. HENCE the open for the OPEN source. I realize I may be going off half cocked here and the connection was bad but from the meeting in Boston... I remember someone from world vista saying that they want to ensure that developers who develop code are not bound to release it as open source. ALTHOUGH it is a really good idea and we really appreciate it. This to me just sounds extremely wrong. You are just asking for a fragmented code base... and you are ensuring that NO major new developments happen from anyone outside the VA, unless out of some personal or corporate guiding principle decide to release it as open source. Thank you Sanchez and your new owners. I can assure you that whatever development I may/will/probably do will be opensourced and GPL'd... Does this mean that I don't want money... NO But, this does mean that I don't want money for making whatever changes I make to a FREE Software product. I know that no matter what I do will not equal the work done by one of the many hero's of this program (of which I know many are on this list) If I were you, I would be outraged that other people are taking your code adding parts to it and privatizing it. Even, if it is a company that you yourself work for, or code that you yourself are adding. You have given us, and the world a gift. A gift that has the potential to transform medical care and research throughout the world PROFIT is important, and for a company the most important...but, profit can be made and should be made while ensuring that the codebase that you started with grows and matures for all. Of course, the line was staticky, and I may have misheard the meeting :P SO, if that is the case. . Nevermind . This has been Rosanna Danna Danna for Manolis On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 13:21 -0700, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Now here's an interesting paragraph from the link below: Although VistA is not open-source software, at least one vendor, Medsphere Systems Corp., is marketing an open-source version of it. However, the Aliso Viejo, Calif., company is selling its product only to hospitals at this time, said Scott Shreeve, MD, chief medical officer and a co-founder of Medsphere ;-) Kevin --- Mark Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2005/04/11/bisa0411.htm Is his last statement valid? Will or can we get an early peak at the codebase for VistA-Office? Any resources for what is going in and what is being taken out? The VA is modifying its VistA software for physician offices, and that version is expected to become available in July, said Mike Ginsburg, project manager for the VistA-Office EHR at the Iowa Foundation for Medical Care, which is managing the conversion of VistA from an inpatient to outpatient setting as part of a contract with the Centers for Medicare Medicaid Services. .. VistA-Office EHR would be made available free over the Internet, but doctors won't be able to run the application unless they license MUMPS, a database programming language from third-party vendors, Ginsburg said. That cost will vary depending on who is selling the license, the size of the implementation and number of users. Ginsburg estimated the cost to small and medium-sized practices would run in the four figures. Open-source versions of MUMPS are available, and theoretically will work with VistA, Ginsburg said. -- Mark Street, RHCE http://www.oswizards.com -- Key fingerprint = 3949 39E4 6317 7C3C 023E 2B1F 6FB3 06E7 D109 56C0 GPG key http://www.oswizards.com/pubkey.asc --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click
Re: [Hardhats-members] After a nice nap... I have a proposal for documentation....
I started with a fresh install last night... then realized that I didn't like the format of the document... so I am starting again today. Once I finish through to the end of Nancy and Marks Documentation. I will post it on the wiki... then... I would like to distribute accounts so that others can add on to what I have started. Let me nail this down and see how it looks I think it should be up by this weekend. Mano On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 07:07 -0700, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: --- Doctor Bones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course Kevin beat me to it :P I haven't beat you to it. I just documented some of what I did. Now if you document what you are doing (which is different than mine), we can perhaps combine them and be even better off. But here is my proposal anyway To create an open document (via wiki of course) of a single full rollout of a virtual hospital. In my overweening hubris (I believe hubris is already overweening so just more so) I have started said document (although I haven't put it up yet). What I wanted to do was define the hospital in a virtual way and make an installation. I have been documenting every step as I go... not particularly well but at least attempting to put something together. The idea is that I will put the document on the wiki and open up my machine to the net as well... allowing people to set up whatever portion of vista they would like to... documenting it along the way. Um... by people... I mean hard hatters. What do you all think? I like it! Kevin Manolis On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 13:47 -0700, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Well, I have spent the better part of all day today creating a run book for our office. I tried to go through the basics of what they would need to get the server up etc. I have put it on my old website because I don't know how I would get all the links to work right if I put it on the Wikki. Here is the link http://www.geocities.com/kdtop3/VistAHowTo.htm Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI. Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime info, new features, or free trial, at: http://www.businessobjects.com/devxi/728 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI. Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime info, new features, or free trial, at: http://www.businessobjects.com/devxi/728 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI. Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime info, new features, or free trial, at: http://www.businessobjects.com/devxi/728 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI. Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime info, new features, or free trial, at: http://www.businessobjects.com/devxi/728 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] He isn't heavy he is VistA and lots of whats... a rant... and a song...
I have been reading the comments and letters... And, there is some wisdom I wish to Question... Please forgive me... If I make anyone upset. It is not my intent at all. In fact you can skip my entire RANT and go to my questions and non-RANT observations. *RANT MODE* I am irked by the wisdom that no one person can set up a hospital with ViSTA. Not necessarily because I don't believe it is true... After having vista use me as a punching bag for a couple of months I sort of believe it :). However this... I don't think is a problem with the complexity of the software or the system in General... I think this is a problem with DOCUMENTATION!!! Even the configuration stuff of Kevin's, Mark's, Nancy's, OpenHui et all... DOESN'T REALLY EXPLAIN WHAT IS GOING ON. Notice I didn't mention the VA's stuff... that is coming up. I want to know what specific fields mean... what am I entering... why isn't it allowing me to enter a specific field. What combination of field entries will do the thing I want. The VA documentation though quite hefty by page count... assumes either you already know how everything works (and is not cross referenced BTW), OR is so sparse that it tantalizes you like a smile from a beautiful woman as she passes you on the train (... or man.. I guess...actually my original analogy was rather crude... you should be happy). There seems to be no rhyme or reason (that I can find... again I am probably looking in the wrong places) as to which order the documentation should be read or what you can get out of them... There are times I will simply open up a document at random to see what is going on. EVEN MEDICINE. was not like this to study *** RANT MODE OFF *** Now... that is done deep breathsigh Some things that I would like to know... What was done to make the Egyptian Vista system What was done in Finland (thank you Hellevi :) or in Germany or in India... What would it take to get an entire hospital rollout documented from admissions to payroll to something that starts with a Z What difficulties has Mr. Self gotten into putting Davis on the Vista What is up with the IHS and is this like a Catholic/Protestant split or can we all just get along? And maybe even share code? What about GPLing whatever changes we make to VistA? What order should I do things? Which documentation comes first and which comes last Which packages come first... etc... -- Ok and now a song.. Dave... would you like me to sing you a song? No Hal. oh. Once again, I am sorry to have offended Mano P.S. I think VistA is one of the coolest packages out there... I would really like it to get used by ... well everyone. P.P.S. I think there is a lot... A LOT... of experience and talent on this list... I really wish that dumb questions where a little more clearly documented... so I wouldn't have to ask them more than 3 times. P.P.S. I am trying to Document what I am doing... but it is really difficult, when you have NO EARTHLY CLUE exactly what it is that you are doing :) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI. Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime info, new features, or free trial, at: http://www.businessobjects.com/devxi/728 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] After a nice nap... I have a proposal for documentation....
Of course Kevin beat me to it :P But here is my proposal anyway To create an open document (via wiki of course) of a single full rollout of a virtual hospital. In my overweening hubris (I believe hubris is already overweening so just more so) I have started said document (although I haven't put it up yet). What I wanted to do was define the hospital in a virtual way and make an installation. I have been documenting every step as I go... not particularly well but at least attempting to put something together. The idea is that I will put the document on the wiki and open up my machine to the net as well... allowing people to set up whatever portion of vista they would like to... documenting it along the way. Um... by people... I mean hard hatters. What do you all think? Manolis On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 13:47 -0700, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Well, I have spent the better part of all day today creating a run book for our office. I tried to go through the basics of what they would need to get the server up etc. I have put it on my old website because I don't know how I would get all the links to work right if I put it on the Wikki. Here is the link http://www.geocities.com/kdtop3/VistAHowTo.htm Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI. Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime info, new features, or free trial, at: http://www.businessobjects.com/devxi/728 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI. Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime info, new features, or free trial, at: http://www.businessobjects.com/devxi/728 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] He isn't heavy he is VistA and lots of whats... a rant... and a song...
More comments On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 13:31 -0700, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Comments below... Much of the database documentation is put into the database itself. If you enter ?? etc it will tell you what it wants. I often find myself scratching my head at their explanations. If you haven't done so yet, get and install VPE. It makes learning about the database MUCH easier. OK TASK #1 ! When I worked as a programmer in college, I decided that I would go into medicine because I was tired of banging my head against a wall. The designer of the body has better fail-safes than modern software ;-) My main concern is the way I learned computers was by breaking them. And then figuring out what I did... That doesn't work on Humans... :P What would it take to get an entire hospital rollout documented from admissions to payroll to something that starts with a Z Um, probably about $40,000 Heh... that's kind of like what's a greek urn? Oh about 4.50 an hour... Keep up the good fight :-) Kevin Peace! Manolis --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI. Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime info, new features, or free trial, at: http://www.businessobjects.com/devxi/728 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Configurability of fields in FileMan
I guess a better question... and one that I am thinking of... is there a way to set up defaults... so that certain questions aren't even asked... Such as Veteran status ... etc. I may be wrong... (and please correct me..) Is the proper way to do this: To create a template in Fileman? And then to call said template to enter data... Also... once template is done... is there anyway to verify entered data so that the rest of vista doesn't puke it's guts out? nabikus (whoops shift right hand left one key) Manolis On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 06:30 -0700, Robert M. Witkop wrote: is how easy it is to configure Vista tables; for example, we would not need SSN, VA numbers, combat service location etc for patients but we might need other fields which aren't present in the system 'off the shelf'. Would we need to 'redesign' the patient table(s) - this is likely to impact on many areas of other tables/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI. Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime info, new features, or free trial, at: http://www.businessobjects.com/devxi/728 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine
I am sure that Kevin in his wisdom makes backups like bunnys make bunnys and then I am sure he looked at the code researched it... and then made a well researched decision . Either that or he flipped a coin :) I have a two headed coin particularly for these situations. mano On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 17:57 -0400, Nancy Anthracite wrote: To this day I think Kevin was nuts to try using this with his production database before more testing. But, men do have * and women have discretion! ;-) On Friday 15 April 2005 07:18 am, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Usha, 1. The fixed version of CrossOver office wouldn't be sold on their web site. You would probably need to e-mail them. The programmer from them that worked on it was Aric Stewart. 2. If you will give me a ip address and a login/password, then I will scp it to you. Be aware that Nancy is convinced that it somehow damaged her server database. However, I have been using it on my production site with no problems. :-) Kevin --- Usha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the 'fixed version of CrossOver Office from the CodeWeaver's company' mean? I couldn't find it on the site www.codeweavers.com. Would be great if you could give me the link to download it and the 'wine-enabled CPRS'? Thanks Usha - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine Usha, I can send you the version of wine-enabled CPRS that is working on my linux server. But you will need to get the fixed version of CrossOver Office from the CodeWeaver's company. Let me know if you want the file. It would be best if you could private mail me with the address of your linux machine, and a login/password. I can then scp it to you. Attaching files as email attachements doesn't work with my Yahoo account (I think) Kevin --- Usha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine Are you able to connect to that server with a windows-based CPRS? Kevin --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just trying to get the CPRS to work on Linux (seeing many of you do it successfully). I installed the Crossover trial version and tried to connect to the server using the command: ./wine CPRSChart.exe CCOW=DISABLE s=IndiaVistA p=9200 But it didn't connect to it, so I tried installing the RPC Broker Client and tried to run CPRS again. Now the error message I get is Error with Listen - CLAGENT will close. And the CPRS demo does not work too. I used the command ./wine CPRSChart.exe CCOW=DISABLE s=CPRSdemo.va.go p=23 But this doesn't seem to work too. It says there is some access voilation in both cases. Have any idea what the problem might be? Usha mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list
Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine
A fooey I almost uploaded my entire movie collection :P Mano On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 05:38 -0700, Chris Richardson wrote: Aaah, Usha, you might want to change your paassword and send this communique just to Kevin and not to the list. Just a thought. I would change your password now. - Original Message - From: Usha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine Hi Kevin, I will try to contact the programmer, if you could provide their mail id. And our present VistA server is not on the net right now, so I really can't give you anything. But we have an ftp site. Site : ftp://ftp.etipl.com Username : vista Password : vista123 Thanks Usha - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine Usha, 1. The fixed version of CrossOver office wouldn't be sold on their web site. You would probably need to e-mail them. The programmer from them that worked on it was Aric Stewart. 2. If you will give me a ip address and a login/password, then I will scp it to you. Be aware that Nancy is convinced that it somehow damaged her server database. However, I have been using it on my production site with no problems. :-) Kevin --- Usha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the 'fixed version of CrossOver Office from the CodeWeaver's company' mean? I couldn't find it on the site www.codeweavers.com. Would be great if you could give me the link to download it and the 'wine-enabled CPRS'? Thanks Usha - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine Usha, I can send you the version of wine-enabled CPRS that is working on my linux server. But you will need to get the fixed version of CrossOver Office from the CodeWeaver's company. Let me know if you want the file. It would be best if you could private mail me with the address of your linux machine, and a login/password. I can then scp it to you. Attaching files as email attachements doesn't work with my Yahoo account (I think) Kevin --- Usha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Problem while connecting to server using crossover/wine Are you able to connect to that server with a windows-based CPRS? Kevin --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just trying to get the CPRS to work on Linux (seeing many of you do it successfully). I installed the Crossover trial version and tried to connect to the server using the command: ./wine CPRSChart.exe CCOW=DISABLE s=IndiaVistA p=9200 But it didn't connect to it, so I tried installing the RPC Broker Client and tried to run CPRS again. Now the error message I get is Error with Listen - CLAGENT will close. And the CPRS demo does not work too. I used the command ./wine CPRSChart.exe CCOW=DISABLE s=CPRSdemo.va.go p=23 But this doesn't seem to work too. It says there is some access voilation in both cases. Have any idea what the problem might be? Usha mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
[Hardhats-members] I hate to clutter the list... But if someone at the conference could check teamspeak
It doesn't seam to be working. address 66.28.218.45 Thanks --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Connecting teamspeak to the convention.
I was just wondering how it is going. I sent an email to Nancy, and have tried to skype her but I think she must be very busy. If anyone knows what is going on please send me a message. Also, if there is anyway I can help let me know. \\Mano --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Installation Summary/Questions or there and back a newbies journey and partial FAQ
Kevin asked me a very difficult question(s) Where am I in my install/config process and what are my goals. My first goal is getting a ward up on vista. My ultimate goal is getting an entire university hospital up on vista. And in a foreign language no less :) ! Minor goals um understand Vista and contribute to the community. So far this is what I have learned and what probably everyone here already knows but ... I am going to say it anyway. 1. What is Vista An unruley complicated mass of routines amd programs that run hospitals ... beautifully. It so configureable that according to DSM-r IV it considered to have a personality disorder. 2. Where to Begin hardhats.org, www.va.gov/vista, www.geocities.com/kdtop3, the hui site that I can't remember off hand. Download vista from source forge follow the instructions on the Wiki for a linux install (You can find the wiki through the hardhats site... I can't remember where that is either) SEND AN EMAIL TO NANCY ASKING NICELY FOR HER HELP !!! The above was a key step for me. Go to # 34 on the Getting CPRS working document part #1 Then... GTM D STOP^ZTMKU GTM K ^%ZTSCH(MON),^(STOP),^(SUB) GTM D ^ZTMB Then when you are at the point when you are supposed to send a letter to the administrator, do this first : GTM D ^XUP Select OPTION NAME: XMMGR-START-BACKGROUND-FILER Finish off with the install. Oh... and if things still don't work go back and check all the places where UCI and VOL are set (the HUI configuration document is good for that) 3. Go to Kevin's site www.geocities.com/kdtop3 to figure out how to register a patient and create a ward. 4. Get CPRS to work on linux using Crossover Office (dropping firewalls :) and copying riche*.dll to the fake_windows/windows/system folder. 5. Realize that you still know nothing go to ftp://ftp.va.gov/VistA/VistAdocs/ and download everything you can get your hands on which unfortunately is an unwielfly amount. 6. Start reading and searching much like reading about how to write comedy. 7. Give up and ask hardhats mailing list for help. 8. Modify Bhaskar's script so that it doesn't have any xdialog boxes in it... sorry sir, I have great respect... but I couldn't deal with it anymore :) QUESTIONS I HAVE LEFT... 1 Why don't we have a FAQ! 2 I want to know how to write in Greek (um... I mean enter data in Greek). 3 I have activated electronic signatures but have no idea how to define one. I can't use it. 4 How can I reduce the number of options available... say for instance in the patient registration section. 5 Which order should I read the VA. Documentation. 6 I want to change the questions to Greek (Nancy told me to ask Mark about that sometime ago... :) ) 7 I want to know how to configure mailman to work with pop3 and smtp... I know it is possible... but I was dizzy by the time I got to that part of the documentation. Also what does mailman mailbox translate to? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? 8 And much much more. I know I didn't have to write this all down... but I wanted to have a kind of guideline of what I have done so far. Minus asking Nancy and Kevin dozens of questions. Ok... that was my attempt at a newbies diary/faq/where I got/am stuck letter. Thanks for your time, and I will gladly take any help I can get :) ! Thanks, Mano --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Unicode, Non-english characters
Thanks, My last patch is SEQ 121 from march 2, 2004 I appreciate the help. Manolis P.S. It is so hard to go from zero on this software! --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] CPRS on SuSe linux with crossover works over network
Ok, the problem I was having with the CPRS not communicating with my other linux box has been solved. I am actually very embarrased to tell you all how UM... The firewall was on, on the CPRS client machine DOH! It is a good thing I don't have a twenty plus year history with computers to say I should have looked at that first. Oh... wait a minute... I do Your honor.. I would like to plead permenant insanity. Manolis --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] EUREKA...I think..CPRS Working Under Wine (was)
Hi I was studying until I saw this letter :P ... I have CPRS working with cxoffice ... but... I installed vista on my laptop so, I could play with it at work ...cough... And... I was able to get cprs working with cxoffice. With the richdll error.. which I am pretty sure is easily fixed. I also edited the registry file which is in .cxoffce/system.reg so that it will open the correct machine. Now... upon arriving home... I notice that it doesnt work on a vista installation on another system. Has anyone gotten it to work on another system? P.S I was going through dumps to figure out how to make it work, I am glad someone beat me to it :)) - As for Pascal Kevin... I am not knocking pascal... I would use it again but only if I HAD to. Unlike Cobol... which I removed from my Resume... because I was getting ridiculously tempting offers to work with Cobol. And... while the while the faith is strong... the flesh is weak :) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] CPRS and Linux and wine
I realize that everyone pretty much has written off CPRS and wine with linux. Well, I decided to give a try for grins and giggles And guess what! It doesn't work. But... I have been thinking about it and I think I might be able to get it to work.What is the farthest anyone has gotten it to work? I have gotten up to a point where it is making a nasty winsock call WSASetBlockingHook. Which is not used in the current version of winsock. And there is a fix for it. I have more than used up my free time for this week I am studying to take Step 2 of the USMLE... so... must study more. But, I am hoping to put some time into this each week. Should I continue along this line, is this a valid helpful thing to do? Has anyone else gotten past the WSASetBlockingHook Error? Manolis --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Unicode, Non-english characters and VistA and other ID means than Social Security
This applies to SemiViva .4 on Linux I was trying to enter some information in Greek. I was trying to make a Ward. And it would not let me use Greek Characters. It told me that control characters are illegal. Select ADT System Definition Menu Option: WArd Definition Entry/Edit Select WARD LOCATION NAME: The input value contains contro l characters. Is there anyway around this? --- I know not more than one issue per email but it is related. I don't want to use Social Security Numbers as ID's In Greece they use ID Cards which are usualy like 43242 Or, say I want to use something else entirely. --- oh yeah... Study Manolis --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Retrieving in Background (in CPRS) and solution
Hello, On the recommendation of Nancy, I am sending this. Problem: a couple of CPRS windows would display Retrieving in Background and would not ever retrieve. Installation: Linux SemiViva 0.4 I followed the instructions in http://www.hardhats.org/projects/VistA_Install/Vista_Install.html#Vista_Setup from item 34 skipping 37,38,39 In the end the following worked GTM D STOP^ZTMKU GTM K ^%ZTSCH(MON),^(STOP),^(SUB) (from the installation information in : OpenVista On GT.M On LINUX Version 1.0 release 2.5 Installation and Configuration Manual ) Then when I started everything up it worked again. I will later on try this on a clean install to see if this was in fact the solution :) Good Luck! Manolis --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Frustrated in Crete :)
Hi all, I wanted to come to the Boston meeting, but sadly... it won't happen :P Soo That means I am going to try to go from Nancy's help getting CPRS working (everlasting gratitude)... to getting a clinic working. Hah... you say... well... um... you are right. Oh well... Is there anyway... someone with a camcorder could broadcast the meeting maybe save it somewhere online? On an unrelated note... I made a presentation for Vista... I was wondering if anyone was interested in vetting it. I also, plan on putting it somewhere online. Thanks, Mano --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Linux and emulators
Hi :) As for linux, or co-linux, or vmware Have you all thought about qemu? It is supposed to be pretty good. The only thing is I really don't want to run windows at all. My personal belief... is that it is a security hole, rather than has security holes. Also... is there anyway to put the seminar on how to set all this up online... streaming video, or divx, or even... gasp... windows media...(NO NO NO forget I said that). Not just for me... I am going to try to attend... but it would be a really nice archive for future setter uppers. Mano --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Gnashing and howling ... now just grinding and cursing :)
Thanks for the welcome! I found all your all's help very helpfull. I will try to document exactly what I am doing and writing it up. I still haven't got the faintest clue %) ... but that's ok. Ok.. on to names I hate having my name googled so it is an alias :D I bet none of you all figured it out! But my name is Emmanuel... so I go by Mano ( Mah-no ) Again, Thanks! --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Linux or hatred of windows...
Well... not actually hatred... But... I would really like to use a linux only environment. So, I can control security better. Is there a gui for X. From my searches the answer seems to be no. I hope I am wrong. Thanks in advance, Mano --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Sounds of howling and gnashing of teeth
I have been a member of your list for three days. I have been interested in EMRs for years... I am both a programmer (unix, c, fortran, oracle, whatever) and a doctor... This Vista stuff is making me nuts HELP ME PLEASE!!! I try to install SemiViva .4 and get all the way to the end where it pops up with the delightful GTM and I think wonderful! Except, I don't have any real instructions on where to go from there. So... I use the only instructions I can find... the pacifichui instructions which I know aren't totally applicable/inapplicable. Can someone please help me go from the GTM prompt... to something usefull. Please... forgive the newbie question. I really have looked everywhere I could (I am sure I am missing something completely obvious) I feel my head spinning like a top. yours, Manos P.S. sorry for the ranting :P --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
