Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINs and MRINs
I still would like to renumber my RINs and MRINs without myself as #1. I switched from Legacy 6.0 deluxe (on a Mac in Virtual PC) to Legacy 7.0 (to a Dell computer) deluxe last week but didn't see a prompt to renumber. I also lost all of my sources too in the transfer. I couldn't figure out how to get the files off of Virtual PC and my husband finally did it by accident. I'm wondering if we should try to make a GEDCOM file of my 6.0 info, figure out how to get that out of the Mac which was the problem in the first place, and then put that into 7.0. Would that retain the sources and also give me the prompt to renumber? We have LOTS of genealogists in one name I am working on. The first ancestor began researching it over 100 years ago and people have been working on it ever since. I was elected the new Family Historian of that side and want to work with others in a more cooperative manner. It is just like me not to have myself as #1 but also it might show a little family solidarity if I have our line organized with someone more likely as #1. The family is so large there are 21 lines with thousands of people in each line. There have been marriages between the lines etc and we need things computerized. Most is in typed or professionally printed books. I'm working on locating who has lines in genealogy software to make it easier to import into one large system for reference and each line separate for more manageable publication etc. The other person who was interested in being Family Historian wants to publish a 3-ring binder book which is what I already began. It might be a computer disk instead of a book, but so far there's so much info and so many people working on it that (and some very possessive of it) but no one yet that I know of has any filing system for it but me. It wouldn't be that tough for me to redo at this time. So should I retransfer or what? I already deleted the messages about the loss of sources. Would this correct that as well? Is everyone losing sources when they upgrade or is it just transferring between computers or what? Is it always best to load from a GEDCOM into a new version? I want to figure out what I did wrong so I can be of help to others in the family that I am influencing to switch to Legacy. God bless, Ellen Kramer On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Kramer wrote: Mike, there are probably various ways to do this depending on the situation. However, I would: 1. put in initially her under the Steinway family and note the adoption at the bottom of the screen where you enter her personal info. I would use that name as if it were the maiden name due to the amount of time it would have been used by her. 2. add in the biological parents kind of like you would if a divorce and remarriage took place. 3. I would add her Cassebeer as an alias, not change it under her biological parents. Depending on when she was adopted, she may never have used that name except on adoption papers. God bless, Ellen Kramer On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:23 PM, michael barberi wrote: I have an ancestor with the surname CASSEBEER. However she was adopted by a STEINWAY family as a child. I recorded her surname as Cassebeer. Some questions: 1. Do I record her surname as CASSEBEER followed by a parenthesis (Steinway)? 2. Do I record her surname as CASSEBEER but create and Event/Fact describing her adoption and new surname STEINWAY? If so, any tree charts will not show her name as STEINWAY. 3. He marriage record says that a STEINWAY (not a CASSEBEER) got married. Do I include notes about her adoption in the Event/Fact MARRIAGE, etc. Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINs and MRINs
Oops! My 6.0 version is gone in my Mac. I guess that's how my hubby go it accidentally transferred. Now how do I proceed? God bless, Ellen Kramer On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Kramer wrote: I still would like to renumber my RINs and MRINs without myself as #1. I switched from Legacy 6.0 deluxe (on a Mac in Virtual PC) to Legacy 7.0 (to a Dell computer) deluxe last week but didn't see a prompt to renumber. I also lost all of my sources too in the transfer. I couldn't figure out how to get the files off of Virtual PC and my husband finally did it by accident. I'm wondering if we should try to make a GEDCOM file of my 6.0 info, figure out how to get that out of the Mac which was the problem in the first place, and then put that into 7.0. Would that retain the sources and also give me the prompt to renumber? We have LOTS of genealogists in one name I am working on. The first ancestor began researching it over 100 years ago and people have been working on it ever since. I was elected the new Family Historian of that side and want to work with others in a more cooperative manner. It is just like me not to have myself as #1 but also it might show a little family solidarity if I have our line organized with someone more likely as #1. The family is so large there are 21 lines with thousands of people in each line. There have been marriages between the lines etc and we need things computerized. Most is in typed or professionally printed books. I'm working on locating who has lines in genealogy software to make it easier to import into one large system for reference and each line separate for more manageable publication etc. The other person who was interested in being Family Historian wants to publish a 3- ring binder book which is what I already began. It might be a computer disk instead of a book, but so far there's so much info and so many people working on it that (and some very possessive of it) but no one yet that I know of has any filing system for it but me. It wouldn't be that tough for me to redo at this time. So should I retransfer or what? I already deleted the messages about the loss of sources. Would this correct that as well? Is everyone losing sources when they upgrade or is it just transferring between computers or what? Is it always best to load from a GEDCOM into a new version? I want to figure out what I did wrong so I can be of help to others in the family that I am influencing to switch to Legacy. God bless, Ellen Kramer Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINs and MRINs
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:00:45 -0400, Kramer kramer...@comcast.net wrote: Oops! My 6.0 version is gone in my Mac. I guess that's how my hubby go it accidentally transferred. Now how do I proceed? You mean version 6 of the program? Or your version 6 family file (*.fdb)? I don't know why your sources disappeared. The only way I know that sources can disappear is if you transfer your file via GEDCOM and either fail to export your sources or fail to import your sources. If you still have your V6 database (.fbd) or a backup (.zip) around somewhere, you stand a good chance of being able to recover your sources. As far as renumbering is concerned, in a GEDCOM import you have the option of specifying a starting RIN/MRIN that the import process will use. You could use that to assign your entire database to RINs above a certain number ... say 1. This would free up anything below 1 for you to *MANUALLY* change an individual's RIN to. It will still be a 99% manual process. [[ Please post to the LUG in plain text! ]] -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINs and MRINs
If I understand what you are trying to do, you would like each section of the family to have RIN numbers within some range, say Name1 from 10,000 to 20,000, Name2 from 20,000 to . . . . I would suggest using GEDCOMs for each section, and on import tell it where to begin the numbers. You will still have some merging to do where the lines intermarried, and new additions will be numbered from the stack of unused RINs, so keeping the RINs in proper place may be a problem. I hope it works for you! Carl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINs
Hi John, It's a mystery to me why you'd bother to Renumber RINs :-) - it's just a computer number to keep track of individuals and their relationships to each other. Seems to me there are many more important jobs to do in genealogy. I guess it's helpful to have key people at an easily remembered RIN. I was lucky perhaps. One of my great great grandfather's landed on 300 though I still usually have him as a Quick Bookmark. I certainly only know 3 RINs and who they belong to. His, mine and one of my grandfathers who is RIN 1 as I first computerised the family tree of my aunt and she started with her father. If you have deleted lots of people and are bothered by the holes in the RINs, then you can use the Compact RINs option in the Renumber RINs. Renumbering RINs is not expected to be a common procedure so that's why the box is always checked and the right click menus are not cluttered with Renumber RIN. Some messages can be turned off in Options Customise - Other Tab but this doesn't appear to be one of them. Cathy At 05:28 AM 10/04/2008, you wrote: I'm in the process of renumbering RINS 1) Each time I select a record to change a RIN the BOX Log all changes to a text file is checked If I previously unchecked this box, I would assume that the next time I go to make a RIN change the box would not be checked, but it's always checked when I go to make another change. Is this happening because I need to change a global parameter somewhere? 2) In fact I wouldn't mind it being the default but each time it is checked, but I'm always prompted --- Would you like to view the report of the changes that were made? Is there a way for me to turn this message off? 3) Is there an easier way than? Select an Individual Menu- Tools - Renumber RINs it would be nice to rick click on an Individual and select Renumber RINS, to help minimize mouse movement. thanks, john Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINs
John, I cannot see how one can stop the pop-up for the Log File and nor do I know of a faster way of changing the RINs. But why are you doing it? It is the experience of many of us that if eg. one is trying to keep family groups together it simply won't work, births will alter the sequence and also the finding of new relatives. One further point should be taken into consideration by those with Pedigree Web pages and it is that the file names are the same as the RINs. Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:28:53 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINs I'm in the process of renumbering RINS 1) Each time I select a record to change a RIN the BOX Log all changes to a text file is checked If I previously unchecked this box, I would assume that the next time I go to make a RIN change the box would not be checked, but it's always checked when I go to make another change. Is this happening because I need to change a global parameter somewhere? 2) In fact I wouldn't mind it being the default but each time it is checked, but I'm always prompted --- Would you like to view the report of the changes that were made? Is there a way for me to turn this message off? 3) Is there an easier way than? Select an Individual Menu- Tools - Renumber RINs it would be nice to rick click on an Individual and select Renumber RINS, to help minimize mouse movement. thanks, john _ Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
Carl, The reason I do not reuse RINs is basically because Legacy's html coding is very buggy. The Pedigree pages comprise a series of nested tables and generally this causes no problems. However if one nests the Legacy produced html inside another table then the a serious problem arises in that the details on the screen become off-centre. There are two occasions when this arises: 1) When the headers and footers are linked (as in my website) 2) If one incorporates a side panel. In these cases one has to correct the html manually on every page. To avoid work when updating then one can use software, such as CSDiff which identifies the pages which have been changed or are new/deleted, and hence it is only necessary to change and upload these pages when updating. If one allows abandoned RINs to be reused then it is quite possible for a new page to show up as an amended page, and for reasons other than those given above my treatment of the two has to be different. This being because of one of my enhancements. From this it follows that reusing abandoned RINs is (for me) a no-no; although I would not wish to reuse them in any event as I prefer to keep new and amended pages separate in CSDiff. _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:42:33 -0600 abandoned RINs to ensure that no problems arise and to ease updating. It does mean that I have a load of gaps. But who cares? On the contrary, I try to keep all gaps filled. I often import GEDCOMs from cousins, then merge like people which leaves gaps. The next GEDCOM I import will fill those gaps, then leave more in the new addition. But I always merge to the lower number RIN. If Legacy did not merge in a consistent way I could often merge to a higher number, thus changing an established RIN. But my use of Legacy here is not your standard usage (if there is such a thing.) My web site is set up as a way for our related youngsters to find out what their ancestors went through 200 years ago, so I want all descendants. -- http://oscox.org Pioneer histories and descendants of Jonathan Upham Cox. Includes Orville Sutherland Cox, Frederick Walter Cox, Mary Elizabeth Cox Whiting and their siblings. Carl [EMAIL PROTECTED],net _ Telly addicts unite! http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
This is not just an expert genealogy thing. Engineers and researchers of other professions have used similar filing methods as well. This method of filing is called a Random Filing System and has been in existence for a very long time. Not unlike computer filing systems, (hence the convenience) as items are received they are simply placed into the next available numbered file, folder, box or whatever. The newly filed items are added to an index which references the item and its filed location. This way filing and re-filing doesnt become another chore. You just reference your index to find the item. Of course anyone is free to follow or devise any method of filing they like and there are many that Legacy will accommodate with its ID fields. Its simply a matter of preference and what fits their personal style. But this method has helped many who couldnt find a good fit with other methods and spent too much time re-filing thus taking away from their research. From: Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:15:26 -0600 Hear. Hear. I would never consider a filing system other than document (item) numbered. Any other way is fraught with problems and extra work. I am surprised by the number of people who follow an MRIN filing system. Perhaps because an expert genealogist suggested itbut not an expert librarian. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather Stovold Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Just want to say that I personally would never use a filing system that uses MRIN's or RIN's as the basis. The reason? Several years ago, I did (MRINs) - and then something happened, and all my MRINs got changed. Fortunately, I had on all my file folders the Surname, Firstname, so was able to rearrange them. And even though Legacy is fantastic software, From having done computer genealogy for 20 years now, I realize that the likelyhood is that at some point, there may be a reason that I will need or decide to change software - and my MRIN's and RIN's could get messed up then. As I also got sick of duplicates being required for more than one family, I now use a document numbered system. Has advantages, and of course some disadvantages too. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
Does anyone know of a web site that details all of the different filing systems (or at least several of them) so that I can compare and constrast to what I am doing now? missy - Original Message - From: Timothy K. Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:36 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS This is not just an expert genealogy thing. Engineers and researchers of other professions have used similar filing methods as well. This method of filing is called a Random Filing System and has been in existence for a very long time. Not unlike computer filing systems, (hence the convenience) as items are received they are simply placed into the next available numbered file, folder, box or whatever. The newly filed items are added to an 'index' which references the item and its filed location. This way filing and re-filing doesn't become another chore. You just reference your index to find the item. Of course anyone is free to follow or devise any method of filing they like and there are many that Legacy will accommodate with its ID fields. It's simply a matter of preference and what fits their personal style. But this method has helped many who couldn't find a good fit with other methods and spent too much time re-filing thus taking away from their research. From: Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:15:26 -0600 Hear. Hear. I would never consider a filing system other than document (item) numbered. Any other way is fraught with problems and extra work. I am surprised by the number of people who follow an MRIN filing system. Perhaps because an expert genealogist suggested itbut not an expert librarian. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather Stovold Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Just want to say that I personally would never use a filing system that uses MRIN's or RIN's as the basis. The reason? Several years ago, I did (MRINs) - and then something happened, and all my MRINs got changed. Fortunately, I had on all my file folders the Surname, Firstname, so was able to rearrange them. And even though Legacy is fantastic software, From having done computer genealogy for 20 years now, I realize that the likelyhood is that at some point, there may be a reason that I will need or decide to change software - and my MRIN's and RIN's could get messed up then. As I also got sick of duplicates being required for more than one family, I now use a document numbered system. Has advantages, and of course some disadvantages too. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
Legacy News' Organization category outlines 4 separate systems. http://legacynews.typepad.com/legacy_news/organization/index.html Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:42 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Does anyone know of a web site that details all of the different filing systems (or at least several of them) so that I can compare and constrast to what I am doing now? missy - Original Message - From: Timothy K. Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:36 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS This is not just an expert genealogy thing. Engineers and researchers of other professions have used similar filing methods as well. This method of filing is called a Random Filing System and has been in existence for a very long time. Not unlike computer filing systems, (hence the convenience) as items are received they are simply placed into the next available numbered file, folder, box or whatever. The newly filed items are added to an 'index' which references the item and its filed location. This way filing and re-filing doesn't become another chore. You just reference your index to find the item. Of course anyone is free to follow or devise any method of filing they like and there are many that Legacy will accommodate with its ID fields. It's simply a matter of preference and what fits their personal style. But this method has helped many who couldn't find a good fit with other methods and spent too much time re-filing thus taking away from their research. From: Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:15:26 -0600 Hear. Hear. I would never consider a filing system other than document (item) numbered. Any other way is fraught with problems and extra work. I am surprised by the number of people who follow an MRIN filing system. Perhaps because an expert genealogist suggested itbut not an expert librarian. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather Stovold Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Just want to say that I personally would never use a filing system that uses MRIN's or RIN's as the basis. The reason? Several years ago, I did (MRINs) - and then something happened, and all my MRINs got changed. Fortunately, I had on all my file folders the Surname, Firstname, so was able to rearrange them. And even though Legacy is fantastic software, From having done computer genealogy for 20 years now, I realize that the likelyhood is that at some point, there may be a reason that I will need or decide to change software - and my MRIN's and RIN's could get messed up then. As I also got sick of duplicates being required for more than one family, I now use a document numbered system. Has advantages, and of course some disadvantages too. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
Ron: The reason I do not reuse RINs is basically because Legacy's html coding is very buggy. But I don't let Legacy make my web pages. I use the IGM system. (Another thread is discussing programs for the web - I have TNG but have not used it because I like the IGM better.) All I do is upload a GEDCOM, then initiate IGM on my web site, so I don't have to make any pages manually. I looked at how Legacy makes the pages, but I like dynamic pages that lets me show pedigree and descendancy as well as family groups and notes. I find it difficult to move around in Legacy, but with IGM I can go up or down several generations as I wish. Anyone who would like to see the source for IGM can look at the reference at the bottom of the pages on my web site. The program is on Rootsweb, and is free. It also loads fast, so that slow web sites do not have to wait. Each of us has their own idea of what makes a good program. As I put stories and pictures elsewhere on the site, I do not need a program for that. Also, there are hundreds of sources in my database, and they do not display well on the web, so they are not put there. --http://oscox.org Pioneer histories and descendants of Jonathan Upham Cox. Includes Orville Sutherland Cox, Frederick Walter Cox, Mary Elizabeth Cox Whiting and their siblings. Carl[EMAIL PROTECTED],net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
Michele, There is no way to quickly/automatically renumber all your RINs in the manner you want (closest relatives, lowest RINs). You will have to do it one RIN at a time. (To renumber RINs, click on Tools on the menu bar and select Renumber RINs.) Jim Terry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:21 AM To: Legacy E-Mail List Subject: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Is there any way to totally renumber the RINS starting from scratch? I imported two seperate files from two FTM files and they are now in Legacy. The problem is, the RIN numbers are sort of scattered all around. I would expect my closest relatives to have the lowest number RIN (direct line) but they don't necessarily have the RINs I think they should have Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
Yowser! That really isn't an option since I have 3000 total in my file :( michele - Original Message - From: Jim Terry/Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Michele, There is no way to quickly/automatically renumber all your RINs in the manner you want (closest relatives, lowest RINs). You will have to do it one RIN at a time. (To renumber RINs, click on Tools on the menu bar and select Renumber RINs.) Jim Terry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:21 AM To: Legacy E-Mail List Subject: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Is there any way to totally renumber the RINS starting from scratch? I imported two seperate files from two FTM files and they are now in Legacy. The problem is, the RIN numbers are sort of scattered all around. I would expect my closest relatives to have the lowest number RIN (direct line) but they don't necessarily have the RINs I think they should have Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
I was wondering about the file ID number. I was wondering how I could make use of that. missy - Original Message - From: Sherry/Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Missy, Just to add to Jim's comments, RINs and MRINs aren't as random as you think. They're assigned in sequential order as you enter individuals and marriages in the program. The first import you did most likely retained the RINs and MRINs that were in the original file, possibly filling in any blanks that were left if you had deleted individuals or marriages in FTM. The second import obviously couldn't duplicate those numbers so if there was a conflict, new numbers were assigned to the individuals and marriages as the file was being imported. The numbers for the existing file remained as they were. That's another reason why relying on RINs and MRINs can cause problems and for permanent numbers, those should be entered in the User ID field for the individuals and marriages - although I don't know if other programs have that option. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Terry/Support Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Michele, There is no way to quickly/automatically renumber all your RINs in the manner you want (closest relatives, lowest RINs). You will have to do it one RIN at a time. (To renumber RINs, click on Tools on the menu bar and select Renumber RINs.) Jim Terry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:21 AM To: Legacy E-Mail List Subject: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Is there any way to totally renumber the RINS starting from scratch? I imported two seperate files from two FTM files and they are now in Legacy. The problem is, the RIN numbers are sort of scattered all around. I would expect my closest relatives to have the lowest number RIN (direct line) but they don't necessarily have the RINs I think they should have Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
Missy, Just to add to Jim's comments, RINs and MRINs aren't as random as you think. They're assigned in sequential order as you enter individuals and marriages in the program. The first import you did most likely retained the RINs and MRINs that were in the original file, possibly filling in any blanks that were left if you had deleted individuals or marriages in FTM. The second import obviously couldn't duplicate those numbers so if there was a conflict, new numbers were assigned to the individuals and marriages as the file was being imported. The numbers for the existing file remained as they were. That's another reason why relying on RINs and MRINs can cause problems and for permanent numbers, those should be entered in the User ID field for the individuals and marriages - although I don't know if other programs have that option. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Terry/Support Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Michele, There is no way to quickly/automatically renumber all your RINs in the manner you want (closest relatives, lowest RINs). You will have to do it one RIN at a time. (To renumber RINs, click on Tools on the menu bar and select Renumber RINs.) Jim Terry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:21 AM To: Legacy E-Mail List Subject: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Is there any way to totally renumber the RINS starting from scratch? I imported two seperate files from two FTM files and they are now in Legacy. The problem is, the RIN numbers are sort of scattered all around. I would expect my closest relatives to have the lowest number RIN (direct line) but they don't necessarily have the RINs I think they should have Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
If you are mostly concerned about the closest two or three generations, one way is to start a new file beginning with yourself, which will be saved as RIN #1 Then do a few sequential exports from the original file and import into the new file, for example export your parents (with or without their other children depending on on whether you want the grandparents lower numbered than your brothers and sisters). Then do the grandparents and so on. With each import, Legacy will use the lowest numbers available so you can group the RINS differently based on the order you import. Personally, I never use RINs or MRINS for anything other than as a temporary bookmark when doing other activities. Gary Templeman -- Original message -- From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wondering about the file ID number. I was wondering how I could make use of that. missy - Original Message - From: Sherry/Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:56 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Missy, Just to add to Jim's comments, RINs and MRINs aren't as random as you think. They're assigned in sequential order as you enter individuals and marriages in the program. The first import you did most likely retained the RINs and MRINs that were in the original file, possibly filling in any blanks that were left if you had deleted individuals or marriages in FTM. The second import obviously couldn't duplicate those numbers so if there was a conflict, new numbers were assigned to the individuals and marriages as the file was being imported. The numbers for the existing file remained as they were. That's another reason why relying on RINs and MRINs can cause problems and for permanent numbers, those should be entered in the User ID field for the individuals and marriages - although I don't know if other programs have that option. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Terry/Support Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Michele, There is no way to quickly/automatically renumber all your RINs in the manner you want (closest relatives, lowest RINs). You will have to do it one RIN at a time. (To renumber RINs, click on Tools on the menu bar and select Renumber RINs.) Jim Terry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:21 AM To: Legacy E-Mail List Subject: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Is there any way to totally renumber the RINS starting from scratch? I imported two seperate files from two FTM files and they are now in Legacy. The problem is, the RIN numbers are sort of scattered all around. I would expect my closest relatives to have the lowest number RIN (direct line) but they don't necessarily have the RINs I think they should have Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
There is no way to quickly/automatically renumber all your RINs in the manner you want (closest relatives, lowest RINs). You will have to do it one RIN at a time. (To renumber RINs, click on Tools on the menu bar and select Renumber RINs.) You can export the close relatives to another file, then you can automatically renumber them all so they have low RIN numbers. Then add the rest of the original file, and all those numbers will be higher. You can even enter them in small groups, and thus set the range of numbers for each input. However, RIN numbers are entirely reference for the computer, so why bother? --http://oscox.org Pioneer histories and descendants of Jonathan Upham Cox. Includes Orville Sutherland Cox, Frederick Walter Cox, Mary Elizabeth Cox Whiting and their siblings. Carl[EMAIL PROTECTED],net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:56:21 -0600 There is no way to quickly/automatically renumber all your RINs in the manner you want (closest relatives, lowest RINs). You will have to do it one RIN at a time. (To renumber RINs, click on Tools on the menu bar and select Renumber RINs.) You can export the close relatives to another file, then you can automatically renumber them all so they have low RIN numbers. Then add the rest of the original file, and all those numbers will be higher. You can even enter them in small groups, and thus set the range of numbers for each input. However, RIN numbers are entirely reference for the computer, so why bother? -- http://oscox.org Pioneer histories and descendants of Jonathan Upham Cox. Includes Orville Sutherland Cox, Frederick Walter Cox, Mary Elizabeth Cox Whiting and their siblings. Carl [EMAIL PROTECTED],net Carl, Whilst I do not wish to be pedantic, I guess that I'm going to be! You say However, RIN numbers are entirely reference for the computer, so why bother? I totally agree with the not bothering bit, but to say that the RINs are entirely for the computer is not entirely accurate. If you have a look at Individual Record, tblID in Access or Open Office, you will see that the first two columns are headed ID and IDIR the first being the unique identity number of the record (the individual) and the second the RIN. It is usually the first which is exclusively used by the computer and cannot, therefore, be adulterated by the touch of human hand. When an individual is deleted the number in the first column is also deleted - never to be used again. It increases by 1 everytime an individual is added. To illustrate this I have a file called Casuals.fdb in which I keep some details of people who may be connected to my tree but where I do not know. Currently the ID column ranges from number 1 (used to hold RIN 0) then 391 to 402, whilst the IDIR contains 0 to 12 (RINs) - I have just had a clearout of this file! Thus, in column 1 it is not possible to rearrange the numbers, fill unused numbers, etc. functions which are possible in column 2. BTW as the User ID I use the RIN number with the prefix P (which has no function other than to remind me it is the User ID). Ron Ferguson For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
Ron wrote: You say However, RIN numbers are entirely reference for the computer, so why bother? Thanks for that extra information. I did not know how Legacy handled the RIN numbers. I also use the RIN numbers from time to time, and my web site requires that those numbers do not change. The program I use there uses RIN numbers to locate the individuals, and I reference many relatives with their URL including the RIN. I hate to think what would happen if they got scrambled! --http://oscox.org Pioneer histories and descendants of Jonathan Upham Cox. Includes Orville Sutherland Cox, Frederick Walter Cox, Mary Elizabeth Cox Whiting and their siblings. Carl[EMAIL PROTECTED],net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
Carl, No worry there - unless Legacy changes its way of working and I am sure the potential outcry would be far too great for them to risk that! I, and I expect yourself also, have set the option never to reuse abandoned RINs to ensure that no problems arise and to ease updating. It does mean that I have a load of gaps. But who cares? Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:07:42 -0600 Ron wrote: computer, so why bother? Thanks for that extra information. I did not know how Legacy handled the RIN numbers. I also use the RIN numbers from time to time, and my web site requires that those numbers do not change. The program I use there uses RIN numbers to locate the individuals, and I reference many relatives with their URL including the RIN. I hate to think what would happen if they got scrambled! -- http://oscox.org Pioneer histories and descendants of Jonathan Upham Cox. Includes Orville Sutherland Cox, Frederick Walter Cox, Mary Elizabeth Cox Whiting and their siblings. Carl [EMAIL PROTECTED],net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
Just want to say that I personally would never use a filing system that uses MRIN's or RIN's as the basis. The reason? Several years ago, I did (MRINs) - and then something happened, and all my MRINs got changed. Fortunately, I had on all my file folders the Surname, Firstname, so was able to rearrange them. And even though Legacy is fantastic software, From having done computer genealogy for 20 years now, I realize that the likelyhood is that at some point, there may be a reason that I will need or decide to change software - and my MRIN's and RIN's could get messed up then. As I also got sick of duplicates being required for more than one family, I now use a document numbered system. Has advantages, and of course some disadvantages too. Just a thought to keep in mind though Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
I, and I expect yourself also, have set the option never to reuse abandoned RINs to ensure that no problems arise and to ease updating. It does mean that I have a load of gaps. But who cares? On the contrary, I try to keep all gaps filled. I often import GEDCOMs from cousins, then merge like people which leaves gaps. The next GEDCOM I import will fill those gaps, then leave more in the new addition. But I always merge to the lower number RIN. If Legacy did not merge in a consistent way I could often merge to a higher number, thus changing an established RIN. But my use of Legacy here is not your standard usage (if there is such a thing.) My web site is set up as a way for our related youngsters to find out what their ancestors went through 200 years ago, so I want all descendants. --http://oscox.org Pioneer histories and descendants of Jonathan Upham Cox. Includes Orville Sutherland Cox, Frederick Walter Cox, Mary Elizabeth Cox Whiting and their siblings. Carl[EMAIL PROTECTED],net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
Hear. Hear. I would never consider a filing system other than document (item) numbered. Any other way is fraught with problems and extra work. I am surprised by the number of people who follow an MRIN filing system. Perhaps because an expert genealogist suggested itbut not an expert librarian. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather Stovold Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Just want to say that I personally would never use a filing system that uses MRIN's or RIN's as the basis. The reason? Several years ago, I did (MRINs) - and then something happened, and all my MRINs got changed. Fortunately, I had on all my file folders the Surname, Firstname, so was able to rearrange them. And even though Legacy is fantastic software, From having done computer genealogy for 20 years now, I realize that the likelyhood is that at some point, there may be a reason that I will need or decide to change software - and my MRIN's and RIN's could get messed up then. As I also got sick of duplicates being required for more than one family, I now use a document numbered system. Has advantages, and of course some disadvantages too. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
We use the MRIN Filing System because we LOVE it. It takes about 5 seconds to print a report from the marriage list showing all names and MRIN's in whatever order you'd like. Granted, having to re-insert them into a database gone awry could be a real pain. I guess we trust Legacy to not bring us to that point. Exporting and importing your database into other software 'should' keep your numbering intact. Having said all that, perhaps you could enlighten us about what a 'document numbered' system is? JL Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara wrote: Hear. Hear. I would never consider a filing system other than document (item) numbered. Any other way is fraught with problems and extra work. I am surprised by the number of people who follow an MRIN filing system. Perhaps because an expert genealogist suggested itbut not an expert librarian. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather Stovold Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:49 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS Just want to say that I personally would never use a filing system that uses MRIN's or RIN's as the basis. The reason? Several years ago, I did (MRINs) - and then something happened, and all my MRINs got changed. Fortunately, I had on all my file folders the Surname, Firstname, so was able to rearrange them. And even though Legacy is fantastic software, From having done computer genealogy for 20 years now, I realize that the likelyhood is that at some point, there may be a reason that I will need or decide to change software - and my MRIN's and RIN's could get messed up then. As I also got sick of duplicates being required for more than one family, I now use a document numbered system. Has advantages, and of course some disadvantages too. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS
A numbering system by document has been addressed several times in the past. A key word search on 'file system' or 'organizing files' should bring up a number of comments. Suffice to say, visit a library in your local city/town---the cataloging/numbering system by document (item) has been in place for a couple hundred+ years. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JLB Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:58 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS We use the MRIN Filing System because we LOVE it. It takes about 5 seconds to print a report from the marriage list showing all names and MRIN's in whatever order you'd like. Granted, having to re-insert them into a database gone awry could be a real pain. I guess we trust Legacy to not bring us to that point. Exporting and importing your database into other software 'should' keep your numbering intact. Having said all that, perhaps you could enlighten us about what a 'document numbered' system is? JL Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS.....error 3021
After doing changes like that, I run File maintenance before being sure it is good. Don't lose the backup until after that. Rich --- Darlene Hicks Don Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Yesterday, I decided to renumber all rins above a certain number. When I had finished, everything looked very nice. Now, today, as I try to add additional children, of a family, I am getting error 3021: no current record and would I like to try it again? I am adding a NEW child, so, of course, there wouldn't be a previous record. I have the box ticked that says I want to reuse unused rins. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? Darlene [EMAIL PROTECTED] DARLENE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Renumbering RINS.....error 3021
Hi Darlene, The solutions for Error 3021 can be found at: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp Cathy At 05:37 AM 29/06/2007, you wrote: Hi, Yesterday, I decided to renumber all rins above a certain number. When I had finished, everything looked very nice. Now, today, as I try to add additional children, of a family, I am getting error 3021: no current record and would I like to try it again? I am adding a NEW child, so, of course, there wouldn't be a previous record. I have the box ticked that says I want to reuse unused rins. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? Darlene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
