Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
did you train the filter by flagging all those slipped messages as junk? iF you just delete them, the filter would not be improved! I've been using Moz Firebird as my only email for quite some time now. And have been somewhat disappointed in the filters. It catches alot of the junk right away, but it doesn't seem to be learning. I get the same spam from the same scammers every day and no matter how many times I flag it as junk it continues to show up. But it is a 0.7 Beta so I don't want to be critical of it, just hope they flesh it out in the near future. -- .~.Might, Courage, Vision. In Linux We Trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.22-xfs ^ ^11:26pm up 5 days, 12:19, 1 user, load average: 0.99, 0.97, 0.96 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
M.W. Chang wrote: did you train the filter by flagging all those slipped messages as junk? iF you just delete them, the filter would not be improved! Yes. I always hit the 'Junk' button which promptly gets them out of my sight and into the Junk folder. This seemed to work great on Mozilla but I suspect something is unfinished in Thunderbird. The same messages just keep getting thru. Likely it will be working in a later beta release. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
I had that problem with spam-assassin' Bayesian filter. I actually tried using the Junk folder of mozilla to train SA (sa-learn --mbox --spam Junk). Until now, there are still some Chinese junk messages passing through the sanity check of SA. Michael Hipp wrote: Yes. I always hit the 'Junk' button which promptly gets them out of my sight and into the Junk folder. This seemed to work great on Mozilla but I suspect something is unfinished in Thunderbird. The same messages just keep getting thru. Likely it will be working in a later beta release. -- .~.Might, Courage, Vision. In Linux We Trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.22-xfs ^ ^1:04am up 5 days, 13:57, 0 users, load average: 0.99, 0.97, 0.98 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
It seems that mozilla's built-in bayesian filter works better than SpamAssassin. Until now, SA failed to identify many Chinese spam while mozilla can correctly move them into the Junk folder on reception. It's not *really* Bayesian - I don't think any of them are. They all ignore the cross-correlation. That is, they don't correct for the fact that enlarge and p...s frequently occur together, and sum the probabilities. To do it right is hard. I used to run a Bayesian filter at work, until they disabled Unix e-mail at the end of October, and it worked fairly well. -- .~.Might, Courage, Vision. In Linux We Trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.22-xfs ^ ^7:46pm up 4 days, 8:39, 1 user, load average: 1.02, 1.04, 1.04 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
M.W. Chang wrote: It seems that mozilla's built-in bayesian filter works better than SpamAssassin. Until now, SA failed to identify many Chinese spam while mozilla can correctly move them into the Junk folder on reception. I've been using Moz Firebird as my only email for quite some time now. And have been somewhat disappointed in the filters. It catches alot of the junk right away, but it doesn't seem to be learning. I get the same spam from the same scammers every day and no matter how many times I flag it as junk it continues to show up. But it is a 0.7 Beta so I don't want to be critical of it, just hope they flesh it out in the near future. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On 11/14/2003 8:34 AM, I believe that Michael Hipp wrote: M.W. Chang wrote: It seems that mozilla's built-in bayesian filter works better than SpamAssassin. Until now, SA failed to identify many Chinese spam while mozilla can correctly move them into the Junk folder on reception. I've been using Moz Firebird as my only email for quite some time now. You have? How did you get the stand alone browser product to do e-mail? Perhaps you mean Thunderbird. ;-) And have been somewhat disappointed in the filters. It catches alot of the junk right away, but it doesn't seem to be learning. I get the same spam from the same scammers every day and no matter how many times I flag it as junk it continues to show up. But it is a 0.7 Beta so I don't want to be critical of it, just hope they flesh it out in the near future. FWIW, Mozilla's intergrated MUA is still better than the stand alone Thunderbird. I suspect it's gonna take longer than they originally thought to get it up to speed. Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Friday 14 November 2003 9:09 am, Collins Richey wrote: Agrred. Since Mozilla have indicated that Firebird is the once-and-future-browser, it would seem that improvements are to be expected. I've been using Firebird since it's early days, and it's quite good. Nevertheless, 0.7 has more of a propensity to just go poof (TM) than earlier versions; segfault I presume. Perhaps I should resume the practice of getting the CVS versions. Hmmm I don't think I've ever seen .7 go poof Perhaps it's your . naw I won't go there... :-) But it's been rock solid here. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/14/03 09:18 + ++ Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist after he grows up. - Pablo Picasso ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:34:36 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M.W. Chang wrote: It seems that mozilla's built-in bayesian filter works better than SpamAssassin. Until now, SA failed to identify many Chinese spam while mozilla can correctly move them into the Junk folder on reception. I've been using Moz Firebird as my only email for quite some time now. And have been somewhat disappointed in the filters. It catches alot of the junk right away, but it doesn't seem to be learning. I get the same spam from the same scammers every day and no matter how many times I flag it as junk it continues to show up. But it is a 0.7 Beta so I don't want to be critical of it, just hope they flesh it out in the near future. Agrred. Since Mozilla have indicated that Firebird is the once-and-future-browser, it would seem that improvements are to be expected. I've been using Firebird since it's early days, and it's quite good. Nevertheless, 0.7 has more of a propensity to just go poof (TM) than earlier versions; segfault I presume. Perhaps I should resume the practice of getting the CVS versions. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
Tim Wunder wrote: I've been using Moz Firebird as my only email for quite some time now. You have? How did you get the stand alone browser product to do e-mail? Perhaps you mean Thunderbird. ;-) Hehe. I still think of them as one. FWIW, Mozilla's intergrated MUA is still better than the stand alone Thunderbird. I suspect it's gonna take longer than they originally thought to get it up to speed. Yes, tho they seem to be making great speed. But even as a 0.3 Beta it's a better prog than either of the Outlooks. Overall, I give the Moz team a High Five for their work on Thunder/Firebird. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
Collins Richey wrote: Agrred. Since Mozilla have indicated that Firebird is the once-and-future-browser, it would seem that improvements are to be expected. I've been using Firebird since it's early days, and it's quite good. Nevertheless, 0.7 has more of a propensity to just go poof (TM) than earlier versions; segfault I presume. Perhaps I should resume the practice of getting the CVS versions. I've had zero stability problems with Firebird (browser). This on both Win and Linux. And I've always used the release beta versions and the binaries from the T-Bird site. Thunderbird (email) has occasionally hung on me, but a kill restart always fixed it. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 09:19:45AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Friday 14 November 2003 9:09 am, Collins Richey wrote: Agrred. Since Mozilla have indicated that Firebird is the once-and-future-browser, it would seem that improvements are to be expected. I've been using Firebird since it's early days, and it's quite good. Nevertheless, 0.7 has more of a propensity to just go poof (TM) than earlier versions; segfault I presume. Perhaps I should resume the practice of getting the CVS versions. Hmmm I don't think I've ever seen .7 go poof Perhaps it's your . naw I won't go there... :-) But it's been rock solid here. I've been getting the same problem as Collins myself (on Slackware 9.1). Being too lazy to build it myself, I've been using the pre-built version with xft enabled. I just attributed it to that fact. Did you build your own by any chance? HAND Myles -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED], Calgary, AB, Canada eh? Slackware-9.1 + CLI + Mutt-1.4.1i + Lynx|Links|eLinks With all that power, who needs a bloated GUI ?? Alberta Mirror for Linux-SxS.Org: http://linux-sxs.org/ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Friday 14 November 2003 10:13 am, Myles Green wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 09:19:45AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Friday 14 November 2003 9:09 am, Collins Richey wrote: Agrred. Since Mozilla have indicated that Firebird is the once-and-future-browser, it would seem that improvements are to be expected. I've been using Firebird since it's early days, and it's quite good. Nevertheless, 0.7 has more of a propensity to just go poof (TM) than earlier versions; segfault I presume. Perhaps I should resume the practice of getting the CVS versions. Hmmm I don't think I've ever seen .7 go poof Perhaps it's your . naw I won't go there... :-) But it's been rock solid here. I've been getting the same problem as Collins myself (on Slackware 9.1). Being too lazy to build it myself, I've been using the pre-built version with xft enabled. I just attributed it to that fact. Did you build your own by any chance? HAND Myles Nope... just downloaded the tarball.. Running it on both SuSE 9.0 and 8.2 -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/14/03 10:22 + ++ The decision doesn't have to be logical, it was unanimous. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 10:23:16AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: Hmmm I don't think I've ever seen .7 go poof Perhaps it's your . naw I won't go there... :-) But it's been rock solid here. I've been getting the same problem as Collins myself (on Slackware 9.1). Being too lazy to build it myself, I've been using the pre-built version with xft enabled. I just attributed it to that fact. Did you build your own by any chance? HAND Myles Nope... just downloaded the tarball.. Running it on both SuSE 9.0 and 8.2 Hmmm... then it must be something else that Collins and I have in common. My hardware: Athlon 1800+ 1.5GB PC2700 DDR RAM (Samsung) nVidia Geforce2 MX 400 (using nvidia drivers) PS/2 keyboard USB wheel mouse (Logitech) using IMPS/2 protocol I've run Memtest86 on the RAM, one stick at a time and all three at once, with no errors - even after 48 hours. FWIW, I'm not running a 2.6 kernel yet. My symptoms are that X keeps crashing with no errors showing in the logs. It's gotten so bad I gave up using X several days ago and gone back to the basics as my signature suggests. -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED], Calgary, AB, Canada eh? Slackware-9.1 + CLI + Mutt-1.4.1i + Lynx|Links|eLinks With all that power, who needs a bloated GUI ?? Alberta Mirror for Linux-SxS.Org: http://linux-sxs.org/ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Myles Green wrote: My hardware: Athlon 1800+ 1.5GB PC2700 DDR RAM (Samsung) nVidia Geforce2 MX 400 (using nvidia drivers) PS/2 keyboard USB wheel mouse (Logitech) using IMPS/2 protocol I've run Memtest86 on the RAM, one stick at a time and all three at once, with no errors - even after 48 hours. FWIW, I'm not running a 2.6 kernel yet. My symptoms are that X keeps crashing with no errors showing in the logs. It's gotten so bad I gave up using X several days ago and gone back to the basics as my signature suggests. What version of X? Define 'crashing'. Are we talking about locking up the box so that you can't even ping it, or just X going toes up? You might want to try running CTCS (search freshmeat) on the box. It stresses (and tests) all the hardware far better than memtest86. Have you verified that this isn't an overheating problem, or dust bunnies? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:51:20 -0700 Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 10:23:16AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: Hmmm I don't think I've ever seen .7 go poof Perhaps it's your . naw I won't go there... :-) But it's been rock solid here. I've been getting the same problem as Collins myself (on Slackware 9.1). Being too lazy to build it myself, I've been using the pre-built version with xft enabled. I just attributed it to that fact. Did you build your own by any chance? HAND Myles Nope... just downloaded the tarball.. Running it on both SuSE 9.0 and 8.2 Hmmm... then it must be something else that Collins and I have in common. My hardware: Athlon 1800+ 1.5GB PC2700 DDR RAM (Samsung) nVidia Geforce2 MX 400 (using nvidia drivers) PS/2 keyboard USB wheel mouse (Logitech) using IMPS/2 protocol I've run Memtest86 on the RAM, one stick at a time and all three at once, with no errors - even after 48 hours. FWIW, I'm not running a 2.6 kernel yet. My symptoms are that X keeps crashing with no errors showing in the logs. It's gotten so bad I gave up using X several days ago and gone back to the basics as my signature suggests. My hardware is similar but PC133 ram, only PS/2 stuff, no USB at present, using the nvidia 4496 drivers, Kernel 2.6.test8. The kernel frequently logs some non-critical errors generated by the nvidia crap, but X never dies, nor do any apps fail for the most part. When I say poof, I should be more specific - maybe 3 times in 3 months. The failures are random - once after a download completed; the other times retreiving a new page with several tabs open. I'm using a binary installed via a standard gentoo package. Other than this I can give Firebird 0.7 a clean bill of health, well almost. I do encounter the occasional url with a webpage that doesn't format very well, but that's probably due to some ie6-specific stuff in the page. In your case, Myles, I would suspect nvidia drivers, USB mouse, combination of all of the above with acpi, or ???, probably nothing to do with Firebird. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 12:20:41PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: In your case, Myles, I would suspect nvidia drivers, USB mouse, combination of all of the above with acpi, or ???, probably nothing to do with Firebird. I thought about the drivers too but this has been happening with the nv driver and the fbdev driver as well. I also took out apm and have tried both a PS/2 and USB mouse (no, not at the same time ;). It's, and I'm guessing here, probably my video card slowly dyeing. It got pretty warm in here over the summer and I know my CPU hit 67 deg. C on one day in particular, despite the 5 case fans and $$$ CPU cooler. The vid card just has the stock heat-sink and fan. The X crashes started out at perhaps 2 or 3 a month and have gradually increased to 2 or 3 an hour. -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED], Calgary, AB, Canada eh? Slackware-9.1 + CLI + Mutt-1.4.1i + Lynx|Links|eLinks With all that power, who needs a bloated GUI ?? Alberta Mirror for Linux-SxS.Org: http://linux-sxs.org/ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:08:00PM -0500, Net Llama! wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Myles Green wrote: My hardware: Athlon 1800+ 1.5GB PC2700 DDR RAM (Samsung) nVidia Geforce2 MX 400 (using nvidia drivers) PS/2 keyboard USB wheel mouse (Logitech) using IMPS/2 protocol I've run Memtest86 on the RAM, one stick at a time and all three at once, with no errors - even after 48 hours. FWIW, I'm not running a 2.6 kernel yet. My symptoms are that X keeps crashing with no errors showing in the logs. It's gotten so bad I gave up using X several days ago and gone back to the basics as my signature suggests. What version of X? Define 'crashing'. Are we talking about locking up the box so that you can't even ping it, or just X going toes up? XFree86-4.3.0, no lock-ups just toes up. You might want to try running CTCS (search freshmeat) on the box. It stresses (and tests) all the hardware far better than memtest86. Have you verified that this isn't an overheating problem, or dust bunnies? No dust bunnies but this is one of the warmest houses I've seen in a while, it faces south and gets the sun all day long. (great for house plants, not so for 'puters). See my reply to Collins for a bit more detail on the heat. Right now, the CPU is 50.5 C and the mobo is 29 C with a ~20 C ambient temp in this room. I'd crank down the thermostat but then I'd catch it from the other occupants. I move out the end of this month into a much cooler environment... too late for the vid card in this box. Much too late for the box that was running the sxs mirror unfortunately. Thanks for the tip (CTCS), I'll have to give it a go. Myles -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED], Calgary, AB, Canada eh? Slackware-9.1 + CLI + Mutt-1.4.1i + Lynx|Links|eLinks With all that power, who needs a bloated GUI ?? Alberta Mirror for Linux-SxS.Org: http://linux-sxs.org/ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:47:21 -0600 Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:09:16 +0800 M.W. Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you ever toyed with the Bayesian learner? I wonder where SA stores her rules. It's not *really* Bayesian - I don't think any of them are. They all ignore the cross-correlation. That is, they don't correct for the fact that enlarge and p...s frequently occur together, and sum the probabilities. To do it right is hard. Most of the e-mail that gets to me uses . scattered throughout the text. Like th.is so the fi.lte.rs don't see th.is as a co.mple.te wor.d. They need to remove the . sprinkled throughout the text. I used to run a Bayesian filter at work, until they disabled Unix e-mail at the end of October, and it worked fairly well. At home I run a homebrew. First I run a whitelist of known good addresses, then I look for e-mail lists, then spamassassin, and then I run my UniqIP filter. I keep a little database of every IP I have seen in the handoff to my ISPs, and if I have never seen it before, I drop it into a special folder. I also note spam IP's in the database as well. About 95% of my spam currently comes from unique IP's. Apparently the blacklists are effective enough that the big time spammers now use a Hedy Lamar style multiplexing technology, and blast small loads from many compromised systems. Some use much lower technology strategies like this one (an e-mail I received): /* begin e-mail: Hello, I need 2 dedicated windows 2000 servers with at least 2,000 ip addresses. These servers will be used to run my email campaign and send bulk email in direct mode with my own optin mailing software. If you are in a position, and have a dedicated network setup to deal with the complaints generated from my email advertising I would be willing to pay $2,000 a month for the 2 servers. I need a reliable provider to set me up immediately. If you can offer me such service please call me at: xxx-xxx-xxx, Leave me a message and I will get back to you right away. Please dont reply back to this email, only call me. Thanks Bob end e-mail */ There are probably stupid ISPs out there that will do this. Can't believe he only offered a measley 2k/month. For this kind of headache, I'd need a couple more zeroes added to that number. Wonder if he got any takers? I'm also working on a spam detector utilizing DNA sequencing technology. Seriously! Start by sequencing lower life forms, since that's what spammers seem to be. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:09:16 +0800 M.W. Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you ever toyed with the Bayesian learner? I wonder where SA stores her rules. It's not *really* Bayesian - I don't think any of them are. They all ignore the cross-correlation. That is, they don't correct for the fact that enlarge and p...s frequently occur together, and sum the probabilities. To do it right is hard. I used to run a Bayesian filter at work, until they disabled Unix e-mail at the end of October, and it worked fairly well. At home I run a homebrew. First I run a whitelist of known good addresses, then I look for e-mail lists, then spamassassin, and then I run my UniqIP filter. I keep a little database of every IP I have seen in the handoff to my ISPs, and if I have never seen it before, I drop it into a special folder. I also note spam IP's in the database as well. About 95% of my spam currently comes from unique IP's. Apparently the blacklists are effective enough that the big time spammers now use a Hedy Lamar style multiplexing technology, and blast small loads from many compromised systems. I'm also working on a spam detector utilizing DNA sequencing technology. Seriously! -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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have you ever toyed with the Bayesian learner? I wonder where SA stores her rules. -- .~.Might, Courage, Vision. In Linux We Trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.22-xfs ^ ^6:06pm up 1 day, 6:59, 1 user, load average: 1.10, 1.04, 1.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
sorry, I found it in the doc. it's in users' home directories or be specified by bayes_path in site config file local.cf. M.W. Chang wrote: have you ever toyed with the Bayesian learner? I wonder where SA stores her rules. -- .~.Might, Courage, Vision. In Linux We Trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.22-xfs ^ ^8:28pm up 1 day, 9:21, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
