Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi Alex. Ooo nice. :-) I love my little MacBook but it needs more USBs. Although I'm afraid I'd be giving up my firewire port and I use that a lot too. I am going to look into getting a new keyboard. Had to get this wireless one as one of the VO keys on macbook's keyboard stopped working a few weeks ago. Thanks for the info. : smile : Best Wishes. Jenny On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > Genny, > > I have the BT Apple one without numpad, but there is also stand alone > numpads that may come in bt versions. > > For USB hubs, I have a bus powered four-port hub that is about three > inches by three inches if that. > > Cost: Apple BT keyboard: CAD $80; BT numpad: CAD $70-150; USB hub: CAD > $1.00-4.00; > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 9-Jul-09, at 4:09 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Oh goodness. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to cause confusion. No. I >> thought I had read someplace on this list that soneone had thought num >> pad commander was getting scrapped. >> It isn't. Thank goodness because that's what I use now that I have a >> wireless keyboard connected to the macbook... >> >> This leads me to a question though. If SL is going to support >> bluetooth braille displays, would they or is there even, a bluetooth >> keyboard to buy? I'm thinking something along the lines of a small >> desktop sort of bluetooth keyboard. I like the wireless one but it >> takes up one of my two USB ports and my t-drive takes up the other >> when I'm in the bedroom... I need more usb ports and if I could >> scruntch my USB requirements I wouldn't have to look for such a large >> usb hub. >> Best wishes >> Jenny >> >> On 7/9/09, James & Nash wrote: >>> >>> Ah ok i understand now tahnk you >>> >>> James >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Alex Jurgensen" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>>> >>>> HI, >>>> >>>> No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The >>>> external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in >>>> Leopard. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook >>>>> and i >>>>> attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the >>>>> numpad >>>>> commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Alex Jurgensen" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> HI, >>>>>> >>>>>> They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as >>>>>> anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Alex, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad >>>>>>> Commander. >>>>>>> There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you >>>>>>> read >>>>>>> this somewhere or did someone tell you this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was >>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting >>>>>>>> scrapped. >>>>>>>> But I don't think it is. >>>>>>>> I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it >>>>>>>> easy. >>>>>>>> I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just >>>>>>>> like
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi, Genny, I have the BT Apple one without numpad, but there is also stand alone numpads that may come in bt versions. For USB hubs, I have a bus powered four-port hub that is about three inches by three inches if that. Cost: Apple BT keyboard: CAD $80; BT numpad: CAD $70-150; USB hub: CAD $1.00-4.00; Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 4:09 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Oh goodness. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to cause confusion. No. I > thought I had read someplace on this list that soneone had thought num > pad commander was getting scrapped. > It isn't. Thank goodness because that's what I use now that I have a > wireless keyboard connected to the macbook... > > This leads me to a question though. If SL is going to support > bluetooth braille displays, would they or is there even, a bluetooth > keyboard to buy? I'm thinking something along the lines of a small > desktop sort of bluetooth keyboard. I like the wireless one but it > takes up one of my two USB ports and my t-drive takes up the other > when I'm in the bedroom... I need more usb ports and if I could > scruntch my USB requirements I wouldn't have to look for such a large > usb hub. > Best wishes > Jenny > > On 7/9/09, James & Nash wrote: >> >> Ah ok i understand now tahnk you >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Alex Jurgensen" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >>> >>> HI, >>> >>> No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The >>> external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in >>> Leopard. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James & Nash wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook >>>> and i >>>> attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the >>>> numpad >>>> commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> James >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Alex Jurgensen" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> HI, >>>>> >>>>> They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as >>>>> anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Alex, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad >>>>>> Commander. >>>>>> There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you >>>>>> read >>>>>> this somewhere or did someone tell you this? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was >>>>>>> going to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting >>>>>>> scrapped. >>>>>>> But I don't think it is. >>>>>>> I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it >>>>>>> easy. >>>>>>> I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> made >>>>>>> that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access >>>>>>> demos. >>>>>>> But >>>>>>> understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> interest is out there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The windows access providers offer demos because that is their >>>>>>> main >>>>>>
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Oh goodness. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to cause confusion. No. I thought I had read someplace on this list that soneone had thought num pad commander was getting scrapped. It isn't. Thank goodness because that's what I use now that I have a wireless keyboard connected to the macbook... This leads me to a question though. If SL is going to support bluetooth braille displays, would they or is there even, a bluetooth keyboard to buy? I'm thinking something along the lines of a small desktop sort of bluetooth keyboard. I like the wireless one but it takes up one of my two USB ports and my t-drive takes up the other when I'm in the bedroom... I need more usb ports and if I could scruntch my USB requirements I wouldn't have to look for such a large usb hub. Best wishes Jenny On 7/9/09, James & Nash wrote: > > Ah ok i understand now tahnk you > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Jurgensen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> HI, >> >> No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The >> external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in Leopard. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook >>> and i >>> attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad >>> commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> James >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Alex Jurgensen" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>>> >>>> HI, >>>> >>>> They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as >>>> anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. >>>>> There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you >>>>> read >>>>> this somewhere or did someone tell you this? >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to >>>>>> be >>>>>> in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. >>>>>> But I don't think it is. >>>>>> I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it >>>>>> easy. >>>>>> I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just >>>>>> like >>>>>> the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been >>>>>> made >>>>>> that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there >>>>>> in >>>>>> are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. >>>>>> But >>>>>> understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware >>>>>> the >>>>>> interest is out there. >>>>>> >>>>>> The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main >>>>>> thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. >>>>>> Apple >>>>>> has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put >>>>>> in a >>>>>> lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple >>>>>> has >>>>>> not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they >>>>>> have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do >>>>>> the >>>>>> developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to >>>>>> cut >>>>>> them a little slack. >>>>>> Best wishes. >>>>>> Jenny >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the >>>>>>> general &
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Ah ok i understand now tahnk you James - Original Message - From: "Alex Jurgensen" To: Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > HI, > > No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The > external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in Leopard. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook >> and i >> attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad >> commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? >> >> Thanks >> >> James >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Alex Jurgensen" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >>> >>> HI, >>> >>> They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as >>> anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. >>>> There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you >>>> read >>>> this somewhere or did someone tell you this? >>>> >>>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to >>>>> be >>>>> in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. >>>>> But I don't think it is. >>>>> I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it >>>>> easy. >>>>> I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just >>>>> like >>>>> the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been >>>>> made >>>>> that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there >>>>> in >>>>> are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. >>>>> But >>>>> understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware >>>>> the >>>>> interest is out there. >>>>> >>>>> The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main >>>>> thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. >>>>> Apple >>>>> has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put >>>>> in a >>>>> lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple >>>>> has >>>>> not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they >>>>> have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do >>>>> the >>>>> developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to >>>>> cut >>>>> them a little slack. >>>>> Best wishes. >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the >>>>>> general >>>>>> public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's >>>>>> primarily >>>>>> intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of >>>>>> WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the >>>>>> other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. >>>>>> Marsh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I >>>>>>> won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not >>>>>>> considered >>>>>>> this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> insure the enhancemen
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
HI, No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in Leopard. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook > and i > attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad > commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? > > Thanks > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Jurgensen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> HI, >> >> They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as >> anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. >>> There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you >>> read >>> this somewhere or did someone tell you this? >>> >>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to >>>> be >>>> in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. >>>> But I don't think it is. >>>> I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it >>>> easy. >>>> I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just >>>> like >>>> the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been >>>> made >>>> that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there >>>> in >>>> are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. >>>> But >>>> understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware >>>> the >>>> interest is out there. >>>> >>>> The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main >>>> thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. >>>> Apple >>>> has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put >>>> in a >>>> lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple >>>> has >>>> not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they >>>> have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do >>>> the >>>> developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to >>>> cut >>>> them a little slack. >>>> Best wishes. >>>> Jenny >>>> >>>> On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the >>>>> general >>>>> public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's >>>>> primarily >>>>> intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of >>>>> WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the >>>>> other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. >>>>> Marsh >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I >>>>>> won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features >>>>>> would >>>>>> not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com >>>>>> and >>>>>> make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not >>>>>> considered >>>>>> this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve >>>>>> and >>>>>> insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be >>>>>> time >>>>>> to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply >>>>>> not >>>>>> enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly >>>>>> the >>>>>> number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and >>>>>> apps, >>>>>> but >>>>>> it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be >>>>>> nice >>>>>&
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook and i attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? Thanks James - Original Message - From: "Alex Jurgensen" To: Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > HI, > > They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as > anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. >> There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you read >> this somewhere or did someone tell you this? >> >> On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to >>> be >>> in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. >>> But I don't think it is. >>> I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it easy. >>> I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just like >>> the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been >>> made >>> that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there in >>> are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. >>> But >>> understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware the >>> interest is out there. >>> >>> The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main >>> thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. >>> Apple >>> has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put >>> in a >>> lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple has >>> not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they >>> have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do the >>> developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to >>> cut >>> them a little slack. >>> Best wishes. >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott wrote: >>>> >>>> Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the >>>> general >>>> public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's primarily >>>> intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of >>>> WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the >>>> other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. >>>> Marsh >>>> >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I >>>>> won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features >>>>> would >>>>> not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and >>>>> make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered >>>>> this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve >>>>> and >>>>> insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be >>>>> time >>>>> to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply >>>>> not >>>>> enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the >>>>> number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, >>>>> but >>>>> it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice >>>>> to >>>>> see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features >>>>> of >>>>> the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an >>>>> entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I >>>>> can >>>>> understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all >>>>> want to >>>>> know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it >>>>> has >>>>> not happen. >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all >>>>>> >>>>>> I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am >>>&g
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ll >>>>> me >>>>> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >>>>> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most >>>>> certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause >>>>> my >>>>> conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those >>>>> around >>>>> me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in >>>>> perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this >>>>> error. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Justin Harford >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know >>>>>> anything >>>>>> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more >>>>>> than >>>>>> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information >>>>>> about >>>>>> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or >>>>>> not >>>>>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >>>>>> does >>>>>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA >>>>>> that >>>>>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple >>>>>> or >>>>>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >>>>>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>>>>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, >>>>>> you >>>>>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> be included in my view >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> Red flag, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA >>>>>>>> compliant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha >>>>>>>>>>> scritto: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>
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t come forward and tell >>>>> me >>>>> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >>>>> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most >>>>> certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause >>>>> my >>>>> conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those >>>>> around >>>>> me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in >>>>> perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this >>>>> error. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Justin Harford >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know >>>>>> anything >>>>>> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more >>>>>> than >>>>>> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information >>>>>> about >>>>>> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or >>>>>> not >>>>>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >>>>>> does >>>>>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA >>>>>> that >>>>>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple >>>>>> or >>>>>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >>>>>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>>>>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, >>>>>> you >>>>>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> be included in my view >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> Red flag, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA >>>>>>>> compliant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha >>>>>>>>>>> scritto: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>
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;> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or >>>>> not >>>>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >>>>> does >>>>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA >>>>> that >>>>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple >>>>> or >>>>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >>>>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>>>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, >>>>> you >>>>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>>>>> will >>>>>> be included in my view >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> Red flag, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA >>>>>>> compliant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha >>>>>>>>>> scritto: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>
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;>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do >>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding >>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other >>>>>>>>>>>>> languages. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us >>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving >&g
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the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure that >> I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on >> apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility >> improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements in >> speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't feel >> the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally listen >> to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. >> Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future >> apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that their >> sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at times >> hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues to >> elude me. >> >> This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is >> becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common >> consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me >> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most >> certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause my >> conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those around >> me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in >> perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this >> error. >> >> Best regards >> Justin Harford >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything >>> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more >>> than >>> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about >>> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not >>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >>> does >>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA >>> that >>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or >>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you >>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>>> will >>>> be included in my view >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Red flag, >>>>> >>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Alex, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It will. >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>>> ship >>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>>> whether >>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendis
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and all will be revealed in less than a month On 8 Jul 2009, at 10:10, James & Nash wrote: > > Justin relax, it sounds as if you're geting upset. There's really no > need. > No-one has said that you are wrong, just that there are different > possibilities. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Justin Harford" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:33 AM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > > > > Alex wrote: > >> anyways in the >> ipod iand the IPhone, t is that of nuance > > Umm. is this English that you are writing to me? > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Justin relax, it sounds as if you're geting upset. There's really no need. No-one has said that you are wrong, just that there are different possibilities. Take care James - Original Message - From: "Justin Harford" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Alex wrote: > anyways in the > ipod iand the IPhone, t is that of nuance Umm. is this English that you are writing to me? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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We are not discriminated against. Being blind does not and should not give us the right to see features in advance, but yes it would be nice to see some demos.Perhaps if we E Mail Apple Accessibility and offer some suggestions perhaps this will happen. - Original Message - From: "Justin Harford" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > Exactly. I am not going to trouble myself feeling discriminated > against over this, and particularly against the only computer/ > electronics company in the world that produces mainstream products > which we can use. But still, you have to admit that we aren't really > in the same boat as the customers who can see. And I still can't > suppress the sympathy that I feel for people who discuss future > features of VO or for those who post demos of snow-leopard > accessibility. If only the matter were as simple as the difference > between equal treatment and a bunch of insolent blind who think they > deserve special treatment for being blind. > > I personally am not under contract with apple to not discuss these > things, nor have I acquired a beta copy of mac os x 10.6; my comments > were solely educated common sense speculations that someone who has > been with apple since the days of the Tiger would make. > > Regards > Justin Harford > On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >> >> Well, you make some valid and well articulated points. However, I >> personally am not ready to feel discriminated against because they're >> not showing accessibility features. I'm happy so long as they're >> putting that suff in. I have to say though that I think it is a >> stretch to claim that this discussion violated any ndas. The Ndas >> apply to paying members of Apple's dev center and have inside >> information on the inner workings of Snow Leopard. Maybe someone in >> this thread is a member. I don't know. But I seriously doubt that >> Apple is too concerned about people discussing features of interest. >> They've allreay posted allot of stuff so why not this? What you >> probably dont want to post is something about how open cl works. >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am >>> ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal >>> responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder >>> if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the >>> proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of >>> upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to >>> explain >>> myself. >>> >>> Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as >>> blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one >>> is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us >>> to listen to. Scott you said >>> >>> "You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted >>> counterpart." >>> >>> I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live >>> demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their >>> money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard >>> came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's >>> website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration >>> on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again >>> offered >>> a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the >>> exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if >>> you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of >>> VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should >>> give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an >>> audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, >>> but >>> is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility >>> page >>> really too much to ask? >>> >>> It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted >>> counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The >>> sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, just >>> as >>> I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to >>> watch >>> movies through finder icons, just as the
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In the IPod and the IPhone the voices that are used, originate from Nuance. On 8 Jul 2009, at 08:33, Justin Harford wrote: > > > Alex wrote: > >> anyways in the >> ipod iand the IPhone, t is that of nuance > > Umm… is this English that you are writing to me? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Alex wrote: > anyways in the > ipod iand the IPhone, t is that of nuance Umm… is this English that you are writing to me? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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the synthesizer technology they use is not their own anyways in the ipod iand the IPhone, t is that of nuance On 8 Jul 2009, at 06:48, Justin Harford wrote: > > > Alex wrote: > >> What I meant is that I felt that someone made a comment of something >> that only insiders would know. It was not something that Apple made >> public. > > OK OK fair enough. I suppose there is a marginal possibility that > apple will defy all logic and not introduce the synthesizer technology > that they have developed into their next version of mac os x. > Honestly such a speculation could hardly be "insider knowledge", but > as I stated, common sense. But you're right, it's marginally > possible, like a 1% chance that I am wrong. > > Feel free to rub it in my face if such a peculiar happening should > come to fruition. > J > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Alex wrote: > What I meant is that I felt that someone made a comment of something > that only insiders would know. It was not something that Apple made > public. OK OK fair enough. I suppose there is a marginal possibility that apple will defy all logic and not introduce the synthesizer technology that they have developed into their next version of mac os x. Honestly such a speculation could hardly be "insider knowledge", but as I stated, common sense. But you're right, it's marginally possible, like a 1% chance that I am wrong. Feel free to rub it in my face if such a peculiar happening should come to fruition. J --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Alex wrote: > There was Snow Leopard and Leopard accessibility > demonstrations at WWDC both years according to Apple. They just > weren't in the main keynote I guess. You guess? I just watched a WWDC on snowleopard and saw zero (0) accessibility demonstration. Sure they mentioned it regarding the iPhone 3gs and that was most appreciated, but was there a demonstration, absolutely not. This is a blatently false assertion. Why don't you back it up with proof? Regards Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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treatment, but as consumers >> spending money on apple products. >> >> I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure that >> I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on >> apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility >> improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements in >> speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't feel >> the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally listen >> to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. >> Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future >> apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that their >> sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at times >> hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues to >> elude me. >> >> This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is >> becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common >> consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me >> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most >> certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause my >> conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those around >> me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in >> perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this >> error. >> >> Best regards >> Justin Harford >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything >>> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more >>> than >>> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about >>> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not >>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >>> does >>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA >>> that >>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or >>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you >>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>>> will >>>> be included in my view >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Red flag, >>>>> >>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Alex, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It will. >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>>> ship >>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>>> whether >>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>> voices >>&g
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lem. >> Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future >> apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that their >> sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at times >> hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues to >> elude me. >> >> This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is >> becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common >> consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me >> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most >> certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause my >> conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those around >> me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in >> perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this >> error. >> >> Best regards >> Justin Harford >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything >>> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more >>> than >>> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about >>> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not >>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >>> does >>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA >>> that >>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or >>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you >>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>>> will >>>> be included in my view >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Red flag, >>>>> >>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Alex, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It will. >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>>> ship >>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>>> whether >>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets swit
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ontinue in this > error. > > Best regards > Justin Harford > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything >> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more >> than >> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about >> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not >> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >> does >> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA that >> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or >> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you >> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>> will >>> be included in my view >>> >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Red flag, >>>> >>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It will. >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>> ship >>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>> whether >>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>> rk >>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do >>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subj
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ow those. In our case, we care about >> accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people >> looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers >> spending money on apple products. >> >> I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure that >> I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on >> apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility >> improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements in >> speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't feel >> the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally listen >> to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. >> Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future >> apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that their >> sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at times >> hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues to >> elude me. >> >> This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is >> becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common >> consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me >> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most >> certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause my >> conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those around >> me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in >> perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this >> error. >> >> Best regards >> Justin Harford >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything >>> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more >>> than >>> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about >>> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not >>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >>> does >>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA >>> that >>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or >>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you >>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>>> will >>>> be included in my view >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Red flag, >>>>> >>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Alex, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It will. >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>>> ship >>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>>> whether >>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>> but
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ues to > elude me. > > This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is > becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common > consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me > why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life > profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most > certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause my > conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those around > me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in > perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this > error. > > Best regards > Justin Harford > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything >> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more >> than >> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about >> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not >> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >> does >> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA that >> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or >> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you >> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>> will >>> be included in my view >>> >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Red flag, >>>> >>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It will. >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>> ship >>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>> whether >>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>> rk >>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>
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> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most > certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause my > conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those around > me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in > perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this > error. > > Best regards > Justin Harford > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything >> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more >> than >> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about >> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not >> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >> does >> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA that >> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or >> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you >> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>> will >>> be included in my view >>> >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Red flag, >>>> >>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It will. >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>> ship >>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>> whether >>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>> rk >>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do >>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>>> why I'm going t
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We did however get a sample of Alex back when Leopard first came out. - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > i agree, even a small five minute demo of what is to come, or what > will be implemented would compel the customers to buy. the sighted > counterparts get previews, photos etc. we get nothing > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:41, Justin Harford wrote: > >> >> Hi all >> >> I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am >> ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal >> responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder >> if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the >> proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of >> upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain >> myself. >> >> Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as >> blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one >> is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us >> to listen to. Scott you said >> >> "You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart." >> >> I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live >> demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their >> money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard >> came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's >> website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration >> on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered >> a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the >> exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if >> you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of >> VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should >> give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an >> audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, but >> is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility page >> really too much to ask? >> >> It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted >> counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The >> sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, just as >> I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to watch >> movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The average >> sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just as I >> don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just seems >> wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. >> >> I think that apple customers should be shown the things they care >> about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show them. >> Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, so they >> show it. Some people want to be productive in a business setting on >> their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about the >> development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care about >> accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people >> looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers >> spending money on apple products. >> >> I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure that >> I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on >> apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility >> improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements in >> speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't feel >> the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally listen >> to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. >> Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future >> apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that their >> sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at times >> hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues to >> elude me. >> >> This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is >> becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common >> consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me >> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most
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I agree with you totally Justin Take care James - Original Message - From: "Justin Harford" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > Hi all > > I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am > ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal > responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder > if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the > proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of > upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain > myself. > > Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as > blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one > is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us > to listen to. Scott you said > > "You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart." > > I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live > demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their > money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard > came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's > website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration > on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered > a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the > exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if > you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of > VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should > give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an > audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, but > is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility page > really too much to ask? > > It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted > counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The > sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, just as > I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to watch > movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The average > sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just as I > don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just seems > wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. > > I think that apple customers should be shown the things they care > about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show them. > Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, so they > show it. Some people want to be productive in a business setting on > their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about the > development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care about > accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people > looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers > spending money on apple products. > > I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure that > I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on > apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility > improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements in > speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't feel > the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally listen > to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. > Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future > apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that their > sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at times > hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues to > elude me. > > This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is > becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common > consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me > why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life > profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most > certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause my > conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those around > me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in > perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this error. > > Best regards > Justin Harford > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything >> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more t
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else. You are not entitled to know any more >> than >> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about >> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not >> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >> does >> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA that >> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or >> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you >> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>> will >>> be included in my view >>> >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Red flag, >>>> >>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It will. >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>> ship >>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>> whether >>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>> rk >>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do >>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility
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Point is you agreed to a > contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you > are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. > > > > >> >> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >> will >> be included in my view >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> Red flag, >>> >>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> It will. >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>> ship >>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>> whether >>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>> rk >>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>> languages >>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>> own >>>>>>> languages >>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >>>>>>> voices >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do >>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding >>>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving >>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
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all will be revealed i am sure in september :) On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:17, James & Nash wrote: > > We will just have to wait and see, but if they are not, at least we > can get > the Accapella voices. Although I wonder if we will be able to switch > between > voices in a single user session. Will we need to create two separate > accounts? One for French and one for English? > > James > > > - Original Message - > From: "william lomas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> we don't even know if they are to be included. if and i mean if they >> were, they will be i assume the ones that are on the ipod shuffle and >> the i phone >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:09, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Justin, >>> >>> Is there anywhere that I can hear a sample of these synthesizers >>> please? >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Justin Harford" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Hmm, I just went over the snow leopard description and it is true >>>> that >>>> it makes no mention of other synthesizers, though it does mention >>>> that >>>> the quick-start tutorial is localized in a number of languages. >>>> Nevertheless, I hardly think supposing that it will have other >>>> language synthesizers is a terribly outrageous postulation. I mean >>>> just look at the technology we have in the iPhone. It is now >>>> possible >>>> to go through the languages menu, and hear a number of languages >>>> including french, portuguese both brazilian and portugal, Spanish, >>>> Chinese, italian etc all spoken. We know that the iPod shuffle >>>> also >>>> has the ability to pronounce the names of songs in other languages. >>>> >>>> Yes I feel safe, without having tried it for myself, in asserting >>>> that >>>> the next version of Mac OS X will not only have language >>>> localization, >>>> but the synthesizers to hear that language spoken. Granted it >>>> won't >>>> be as nice as Alex. It certainly would be crazy to think that Alex >>>> is >>>> going to be speaking anything more than English. The synthesizers >>>> will be like those on the iPhone. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Justin Harford >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are >>>>> fantastic >>>>> voices >>>>> but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic >>>>> languages >>>>> etc included by default. >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "william lomas" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>>>>> will >>>>>> be included in my view >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> Red flag, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA >>>>>>> compliant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>&g
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We will just have to wait and see, but if they are not, at least we can get the Accapella voices. Although I wonder if we will be able to switch between voices in a single user session. Will we need to create two separate accounts? One for French and one for English? James - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > we don't even know if they are to be included. if and i mean if they > were, they will be i assume the ones that are on the ipod shuffle and > the i phone > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:09, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi Justin, >> >> Is there anywhere that I can hear a sample of these synthesizers >> please? >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Justin Harford" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:42 PM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >>> >>> Hmm, I just went over the snow leopard description and it is true >>> that >>> it makes no mention of other synthesizers, though it does mention >>> that >>> the quick-start tutorial is localized in a number of languages. >>> Nevertheless, I hardly think supposing that it will have other >>> language synthesizers is a terribly outrageous postulation. I mean >>> just look at the technology we have in the iPhone. It is now >>> possible >>> to go through the languages menu, and hear a number of languages >>> including french, portuguese both brazilian and portugal, Spanish, >>> Chinese, italian etc all spoken. We know that the iPod shuffle also >>> has the ability to pronounce the names of songs in other languages. >>> >>> Yes I feel safe, without having tried it for myself, in asserting >>> that >>> the next version of Mac OS X will not only have language >>> localization, >>> but the synthesizers to hear that language spoken. Granted it won't >>> be as nice as Alex. It certainly would be crazy to think that Alex >>> is >>> going to be speaking anything more than English. The synthesizers >>> will be like those on the iPhone. >>> >>> Regards >>> Justin Harford >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, James & Nash wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are fantastic >>>> voices >>>> but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic >>>> languages >>>> etc included by default. >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "william lomas" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>>>> will >>>>> be included in my view >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> Red flag, >>>>>> >>>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Alex, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
we don't even know if they are to be included. if and i mean if they were, they will be i assume the ones that are on the ipod shuffle and the i phone On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:09, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi Justin, > > Is there anywhere that I can hear a sample of these synthesizers > please? > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Justin Harford" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:42 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> Hmm, I just went over the snow leopard description and it is true >> that >> it makes no mention of other synthesizers, though it does mention >> that >> the quick-start tutorial is localized in a number of languages. >> Nevertheless, I hardly think supposing that it will have other >> language synthesizers is a terribly outrageous postulation. I mean >> just look at the technology we have in the iPhone. It is now >> possible >> to go through the languages menu, and hear a number of languages >> including french, portuguese both brazilian and portugal, Spanish, >> Chinese, italian etc all spoken. We know that the iPod shuffle also >> has the ability to pronounce the names of songs in other languages. >> >> Yes I feel safe, without having tried it for myself, in asserting >> that >> the next version of Mac OS X will not only have language >> localization, >> but the synthesizers to hear that language spoken. Granted it won't >> be as nice as Alex. It certainly would be crazy to think that Alex >> is >> going to be speaking anything more than English. The synthesizers >> will be like those on the iPhone. >> >> Regards >> Justin Harford >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are fantastic >>> voices >>> but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic >>> languages >>> etc included by default. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "william lomas" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>>> >>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>>> will >>>> be included in my view >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Red flag, >>>>> >>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Alex, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It will. >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>>> ship >>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>>> whether >>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>&g
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Hi Justin, Is there anywhere that I can hear a sample of these synthesizers please? Take care James - Original Message - From: "Justin Harford" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > Hmm, I just went over the snow leopard description and it is true that > it makes no mention of other synthesizers, though it does mention that > the quick-start tutorial is localized in a number of languages. > Nevertheless, I hardly think supposing that it will have other > language synthesizers is a terribly outrageous postulation. I mean > just look at the technology we have in the iPhone. It is now possible > to go through the languages menu, and hear a number of languages > including french, portuguese both brazilian and portugal, Spanish, > Chinese, italian etc all spoken. We know that the iPod shuffle also > has the ability to pronounce the names of songs in other languages. > > Yes I feel safe, without having tried it for myself, in asserting that > the next version of Mac OS X will not only have language localization, > but the synthesizers to hear that language spoken. Granted it won't > be as nice as Alex. It certainly would be crazy to think that Alex is > going to be speaking anything more than English. The synthesizers > will be like those on the iPhone. > > Regards > Justin Harford > On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are fantastic >> voices >> but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic >> languages >> etc included by default. >> ----- Original Message - >> From: "william lomas" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >>> >>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >>> will >>> be included in my view >>> >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Red flag, >>>> >>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It will. >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>>> ship >>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>>> whether >>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>> rk >>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>&
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hmm, I just went over the snow leopard description and it is true that it makes no mention of other synthesizers, though it does mention that the quick-start tutorial is localized in a number of languages. Nevertheless, I hardly think supposing that it will have other language synthesizers is a terribly outrageous postulation. I mean just look at the technology we have in the iPhone. It is now possible to go through the languages menu, and hear a number of languages including french, portuguese both brazilian and portugal, Spanish, Chinese, italian etc all spoken. We know that the iPod shuffle also has the ability to pronounce the names of songs in other languages. Yes I feel safe, without having tried it for myself, in asserting that the next version of Mac OS X will not only have language localization, but the synthesizers to hear that language spoken. Granted it won't be as nice as Alex. It certainly would be crazy to think that Alex is going to be speaking anything more than English. The synthesizers will be like those on the iPhone. Regards Justin Harford On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are fantastic > voices > but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic > languages > etc included by default. > - Original Message - > From: "william lomas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >> will >> be included in my view >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> Red flag, >>> >>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> It will. >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>> ship >>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>> whether >>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>> rk >>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>> languages >>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>> own >>>>>>> languages >>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >>>>>>> voices >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do >>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish"
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
hey guys, i read about the language staff on the apple link, it's all there : multi language but voices have to be bought separately. let's not discuss... i will find the paragraph and send it. at first i read only the multi language sentence but then some friends pointed out about the voices sold by third parties, i was a little upset until i did not hear the news of the iphone. now i am very sodisfied , prefer my iphone in italian ! and i know that apple wont forget about the languages ... perhaps it is all part of a progect and we will have it soon. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 21:21, Scott Howell ha scritto: > > Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything > different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more than > your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about > Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not > you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind does > not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA that > was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or > whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes > future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a > contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you > are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. > > > > >> >> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >> will >> be included in my view >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> Red flag, >>> >>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> It will. >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>> ship >>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>> whether >>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>> rk >>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>> languages >>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>> own >>>>>>> languages >>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >>>>>>> voices >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do >>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
It is absolutely right, Scott. I don't understand why we are having these conversations here and on other lists. We have to wait to know the details when the company releases them whether we like it or not. Best wishes, and reamin patient, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:21, Scott Howell wrote: > > Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything > different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more than > your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about > Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not > you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind does > not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA that > was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or > whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes > future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a > contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you > are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. > > > > >> >> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what >> will >> be included in my view >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> Red flag, >>> >>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> It will. >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>>> ship >>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>>> whether >>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>> rk >>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>> languages >>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>>> own >>>>>>> languages >>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >>>>>>> voices >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do >>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding >>>>>>>>>> providing a >&g
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind does not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA that was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. > > fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will > be included in my view > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> Red flag, >> >> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >> >>> >>> It will. >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will >>>> ship >>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>> whether >>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>> rk >>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>> languages >>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your >>>>>> own >>>>>> languages >>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >>>>>> voices >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss >>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding >>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving >>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wro
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
No one has the "right" to break the law. We will all know what to expect in Snow Leopard when all the information is made public. Being blind is also not an excuse for breaking the law. This is just a matter of breaking NDA contracts because of a few people's impatience. No one is making you upgrade to Snow Leopard before you know what's included. It doesn't even come out for nearly three more months. On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:15 AM, william lomas wrote: > > fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will > be included in my view --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are fantastic voices but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic languages etc included by default. - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will > be included in my view > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> Red flag, >> >> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >> >>> >>> It will. >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship >>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>>> whether >>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>> rk >>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>> languages >>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own >>>>>> languages >>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >>>>>> voices >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss >>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a >>>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving >>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different >>>>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been >>>>>>>>>> Voice >>>>>>>>>> Over - was >>>>>>>>>> l
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will be included in my view On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > Red flag, > > We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: > >> >> It will. >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship >>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >>> whether >>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>> >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> i did not understand this post. >>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>> rk >>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>> languages >>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own >>>>> languages >>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >>>>> voices >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, >>>>>> and >>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! >>>>>> >>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>>> always >>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss >>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>> That's >>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a >>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving >>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different >>>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been >>>>>>>>> Voice >>>>>>>>> Over - was >>>>>>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask >>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>> to do so >>>>>>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think >>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Take car
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi, Red flag, We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. Thanks, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: > > It will. > On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship >> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or >> whether >> we are still locked down to using acapella >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >> >>> >>> i did not understand this post. >>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>> rk >>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >>> >>>> >>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>> languages >>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own >>>> languages >>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >>>> voices >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, >>>>> and >>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! >>>>> >>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>>> always >>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>>> can. I >>>>>> still >>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss >>>>>> Mac. >>>>>> That's >>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a >>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do >>>>>>> hope >>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving >>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different >>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been >>>>>>>> Voice >>>>>>>> Over - was >>>>>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask >>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>> to do so >>>>>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think >>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>> From: "william lomas" >>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>>>
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
It will. On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: > > what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship > with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or whether > we are still locked down to using acapella > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: > >> >> i did not understand this post. >> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >> rk >> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: >> >>> >>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>> languages >>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own >>> languages >>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >>> voices >>> >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, >>>> and >>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! >>>> >>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>>> always >>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they >>>>> can. I >>>>> still >>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss >>>>> Mac. >>>>> That's >>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a >>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do >>>>>> hope >>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who >>>>>> would >>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows >>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>> >>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>> >>>>>> Simon >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different >>>>>>> features. >>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice >>>>>>> Over - was >>>>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask >>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>> to do so >>>>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think >>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>> >>>>>>> James >>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>> From: "william lomas" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>>>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>>>>> etc >>>>>>> i guess we will not know these details really until the product >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It sounds like Snow L
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or whether we are still locked down to using acapella On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: > > i did not understand this post. > i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. > rk > Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: > >> >> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages >> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own >> languages >> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign >> voices >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >> >>> >>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and >>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! >>> >>> With best wishes, Simon >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have >>>> always >>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I >>>> still >>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss >>>> Mac. >>>> That's >>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a >>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do >>>>> hope >>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who >>>>> would >>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows >>>>> behind altogether. >>>>> >>>>> With best wishes >>>>> >>>>> Simon >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different >>>>>> features. >>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice >>>>>> Over - was >>>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about >>>>>> Braille >>>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask >>>>>> Apple >>>>>> to do so >>>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple >>>>>> is >>>>>> Linux >>>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> ----- Original Message - >>>>>> From: "william lomas" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>>>> etc >>>>>> i guess we will not know these details really until the product >>>>>> is >>>>>> out >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >>>>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>> be any problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>> >>>>>>> James >>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>> From: "Scott Howell" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
i did not understand this post. i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: > > it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages > with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own > languages > but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign > voices > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: > >> >> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and >> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! >> >> With best wishes, Simon >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always >>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I >>> still >>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. >>> That's >>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a >>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do >>>> hope >>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would >>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows >>>> behind altogether. >>>> >>>> With best wishes >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different >>>>> features. >>>>> Yes, I >>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice >>>>> Over - was >>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about >>>>> Braille >>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask >>>>> Apple >>>>> to do so >>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple >>>>> is >>>>> Linux >>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>> >>>>> Take care >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "william lomas" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>>> etc >>>>> i guess we will not know these details really until the product is >>>>> out >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >>>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>> be any problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Scott Howell" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so >>>>>>> unreal, >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>>>>>> reasons >>>>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 >>>>>>> is a >>>>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which >>>>>>> you >>>&
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I remember reading about new suported braille displays, including some bluetooth ones. I don't think they delved into specific details of actual supported models. On 7/7/09, william lomas wrote: > > it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages > with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own > languages > but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: > >> >> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and >> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I >> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! >> >> With best wishes, Simon >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always >>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I >>> still >>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. >>> That's >>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a >>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do >>>> hope >>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would >>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows >>>> behind altogether. >>>> >>>> With best wishes >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different >>>>> features. >>>>> Yes, I >>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice >>>>> Over - was >>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about >>>>> Braille >>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple >>>>> to do so >>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple >>>>> is >>>>> Linux >>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>> >>>>> Take care >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "william lomas" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>>> etc >>>>> i guess we will not know these details really until the product is >>>>> out >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >>>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>> be any problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Scott Howell" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so >>>>>>> unreal, >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>>>>>> reasons >>>>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 >>>>>>> is a >>>>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which >>>>>&g
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and > I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I > wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! > > With best wishes, Simon > On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always >> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I >> still >> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. >> That's >> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Simon Cavendish" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >>> >>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a >>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do >>> hope >>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would >>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows >>> behind altogether. >>> >>> With best wishes >>> >>> Simon >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different >>>> features. >>>> Yes, I >>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice >>>> Over - was >>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about >>>> Braille >>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple >>>> to do so >>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple >>>> is >>>> Linux >>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>> >>>> Take care >>>> >>>> James >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "william lomas" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>> etc >>>> i guess we will not know these details really until the product is >>>> out >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >>>>> shouldn't >>>>> be any problem. >>>>> >>>>> Take care >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Scott Howell" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so >>>>>> unreal, >>>>>> it >>>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>>>>> reasons >>>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 >>>>>> is a >>>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which >>>>>> you >>>>>> may >>>>>> not have considered or realized. >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works >>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so >>>>>>> no >>>
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: > > I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always > acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I > still > like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. > That's > why I'm going to purchase a new one. > - Original Message - > From: "Simon Cavendish" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a >> broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope >> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would >> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows >> behind altogether. >> >> With best wishes >> >> Simon >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. >>> Yes, I >>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice >>> Over - was >>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about >>> Braille >>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple >>> to do so >>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is >>> Linux >>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "william lomas" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>> >>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>> etc >>> i guess we will not know these details really until the product is >>> out >>> >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >>>> Fortunately, I >>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >>>> shouldn't >>>> be any problem. >>>> >>>> Take care >>>> >>>> James >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Scott Howell" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so >>>>> unreal, >>>>> it >>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>>>> reasons >>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a >>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you >>>>> may >>>>> not have considered or realized. >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>>>>> phone. >>>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works >>>>>> fine. >>>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so >>>>>> no >>>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >>>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the >>>>>> safari or >>>>>> other web browsers >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>>>>>> bummed I >>>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone >>>>>>> demos >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up >&
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: "Simon Cavendish" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a > broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope > Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would > benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows > behind altogether. > > With best wishes > > Simon > On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. >> Yes, I >> think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice >> Over - was >> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about >> Braille >> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple >> to do so >> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is >> Linux >> based, so this should not be too difficult. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "william lomas" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >> >> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >> .do we get new language voices i wonder >> . new braille support in other alnguages? >> etc >> i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >>> Fortunately, I >>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >>> shouldn't >>> be any problem. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Scott Howell" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, >>>> it >>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>>> reasons >>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a >>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you >>>> may >>>> not have considered or realized. >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>>>> phone. >>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. >>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no >>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or >>>>> other web browsers >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>>>>> bummed I >>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos >>>>>> and >>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up >>>>>> with >>>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be >>>>>> happy >>>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook >>>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. >>>>>> Who >>>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook >>>>>> they'll of >>>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >>>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It >>>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always >>>>>> liked >>>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK ve
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: > > Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. > Yes, I > think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice > Over - was > localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about > Braille > support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple > to do so > we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is > Linux > based, so this should not be too difficult. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "william lomas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > > > is there a complete list of new features? i.e. > .do we get new language voices i wonder > . new braille support in other alnguages? > etc > i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >> Fortunately, I >> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >> shouldn't >> be any problem. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Howell" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >>> >>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, >>> it >>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>> reasons >>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a >>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you >>> may >>> not have considered or realized. >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>>> phone. >>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. >>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no >>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or >>>> other web browsers >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>>>> bummed I >>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos >>>>> and >>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up >>>>> with >>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be >>>>> happy >>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook >>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. >>>>> Who >>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook >>>>> they'll of >>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It >>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always >>>>> liked >>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with >>>>> the >>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does >>>>> that. >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch >>>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the >>>>>> aluminum >>>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will >>>>>> work >>>>>> fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must >>>>>> be >>>>>> an >>>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chip
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Thank You James! On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:51 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi Barry, > > Not being a low vision user, this is not something I've looked for. > However, > I don't remember reading anything like this. It might be best if you > E Mail > accessibil...@aple.com and asked them. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Barry Lipscomb" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> I am a low vision user and I was wondering if anyone has heard if >> there will be an upgrade to the full screen magnifier. I know in >> windows when you are using a program like "Zoomtext" that the >> resolution on the magnifier is much better. It has crisper sharper >> text. I would like to see this added to the OSX magnifier. I >> think a >> couple years ago they were talking about adding something they called >> "resolution scaling" for other reasons but stated it would be a boon >> for the visually impaired. Does anyone know anything about this and >> will it be in Snow Leopard? Thanks! >> >> Barry >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> James, the Mac os is based on BSD, not Linux, but it is possible >>> to do >>> what you say. Just wait and see, it won't be much longer. >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:50 AM, James & Nash wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different >>>> features. >>>> Yes, I >>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice >>>> Over - was >>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about >>>> Braille >>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple >>>> to do so >>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple >>>> is >>>> Linux >>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>> >>>> Take care >>>> >>>> James >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "william lomas" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>> etc >>>> i guess we will not know these details really until the product is >>>> out >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >>>>> shouldn't >>>>> be any problem. >>>>> >>>>> Take care >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Scott Howell" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so >>>>>> unreal, >>>>>> it >>>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>>>>> reasons >>>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 >>>>>> is a >>>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which >>>>>> you >>>>>> may >>>>>> not have considered or realized. >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works >>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content >>>>>>> so no >>>>>>> point in me upgrading since a
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi Barry, Not being a low vision user, this is not something I've looked for. However, I don't remember reading anything like this. It might be best if you E Mail accessibil...@aple.com and asked them. Take care James - Original Message - From: "Barry Lipscomb" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > I am a low vision user and I was wondering if anyone has heard if > there will be an upgrade to the full screen magnifier. I know in > windows when you are using a program like "Zoomtext" that the > resolution on the magnifier is much better. It has crisper sharper > text. I would like to see this added to the OSX magnifier. I think a > couple years ago they were talking about adding something they called > "resolution scaling" for other reasons but stated it would be a boon > for the visually impaired. Does anyone know anything about this and > will it be in Snow Leopard? Thanks! > > Barry > > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> James, the Mac os is based on BSD, not Linux, but it is possible to do >> what you say. Just wait and see, it won't be much longer. >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:50 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. >>> Yes, I >>> think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice >>> Over - was >>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about >>> Braille >>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple >>> to do so >>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is >>> Linux >>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "william lomas" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>> >>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>> etc >>> i guess we will not know these details really until the product is >>> out >>> >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >>>> Fortunately, I >>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >>>> shouldn't >>>> be any problem. >>>> >>>> Take care >>>> >>>> James >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Scott Howell" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, >>>>> it >>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>>>> reasons >>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a >>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you >>>>> may >>>>> not have considered or realized. >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>>>>> phone. >>>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. >>>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no >>>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >>>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari >>>>>> or >>>>>> other web browsers >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>>>>>> bummed I >>>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone >>>>>>> demos >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I am a low vision user and I was wondering if anyone has heard if there will be an upgrade to the full screen magnifier. I know in windows when you are using a program like "Zoomtext" that the resolution on the magnifier is much better. It has crisper sharper text. I would like to see this added to the OSX magnifier. I think a couple years ago they were talking about adding something they called "resolution scaling" for other reasons but stated it would be a boon for the visually impaired. Does anyone know anything about this and will it be in Snow Leopard? Thanks! Barry On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > > James, the Mac os is based on BSD, not Linux, but it is possible to do > what you say. Just wait and see, it won't be much longer. > On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:50 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. >> Yes, I >> think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice >> Over - was >> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about >> Braille >> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple >> to do so >> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is >> Linux >> based, so this should not be too difficult. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "william lomas" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >> >> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >> .do we get new language voices i wonder >> . new braille support in other alnguages? >> etc >> i guess we will not know these details really until the product is >> out >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >>> Fortunately, I >>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >>> shouldn't >>> be any problem. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Scott Howell" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, >>>> it >>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>>> reasons >>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a >>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you >>>> may >>>> not have considered or realized. >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>>>> phone. >>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. >>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no >>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari >>>>> or >>>>> other web browsers >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>>>>> bummed I >>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone >>>>>> demos >>>>>> and >>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up >>>>>> with >>>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be >>>>>> happy >>>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new >>>>>> macbook >>>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. >>>>>> Who >>>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook >>>>>> they'll of >>>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >>>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It >>>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
James, the Mac os is based on BSD, not Linux, but it is possible to do what you say. Just wait and see, it won't be much longer. On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:50 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. > Yes, I > think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice > Over - was > localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about > Braille > support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple > to do so > we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is > Linux > based, so this should not be too difficult. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "william lomas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > > > is there a complete list of new features? i.e. > .do we get new language voices i wonder > . new braille support in other alnguages? > etc > i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >> Fortunately, I >> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >> shouldn't >> be any problem. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Howell" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >>> >>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, >>> it >>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>> reasons >>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a >>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you >>> may >>> not have considered or realized. >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>>> phone. >>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. >>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no >>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or >>>> other web browsers >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>>>> bummed I >>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos >>>>> and >>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up >>>>> with >>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be >>>>> happy >>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook >>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. >>>>> Who >>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook >>>>> they'll of >>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It >>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always >>>>> liked >>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with >>>>> the >>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does >>>>> that. >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch >>>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the >>>>>> aluminum >>>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will >>>>>> work >>>>>> fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must >>>>>> be >>>>>> an >>>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the >>>>>> G4/G5 >>>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at >>>>>> least >&
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Oh if you do a little searching on Google, I think you can get a general idea of what is to be expected. On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:39 AM, william lomas wrote: > > is there a complete list of new features? i.e. > •do we get new language voices i wonder > • new braille support in other alnguages? > etc > i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >> Fortunately, I >> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >> shouldn't >> be any problem. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Howell" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >>> >>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, >>> it >>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>> reasons >>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a >>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you >>> may >>> not have considered or realized. >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>>> phone. >>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. >>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no >>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or >>>> other web browsers >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>>>> bummed I >>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos >>>>> and >>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up >>>>> with >>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be >>>>> happy >>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook >>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. >>>>> Who >>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook >>>>> they'll of >>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It >>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always >>>>> liked >>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with >>>>> the >>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does >>>>> that. >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch >>>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the >>>>>> aluminum >>>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will >>>>>> work >>>>>> fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must >>>>>> be >>>>>> an >>>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the >>>>>> G4/G5 >>>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at >>>>>> least >>>>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are >>>>>> issued >>>>>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently >>>>>> with >>>>>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it >>>>>> is >>>>>> hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The >>>>>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an >>>>>> idea >>>>>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might >>>>>> lead >>>>>> you to speculate what Apple could
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
James, as best I understand, it is not going to be an upgrade disc, but a full version. When reading the info that is available, it does not state that you must have an existing copy of Leopard. On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:29 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi, > > It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? > Fortunately, I > have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there > shouldn't > be any problem. > > Take care > > James > - Ori --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
From what I have read, all the keyboard functionality will be available in snow-leopard the same ways you have access in leopard, but you probably won't have access to the touchpad commander. On 6-Jul-09, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line > that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 > and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for > SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh > I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that > fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is > doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for > any answers > best wishes > Jenny > > On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud wrote: >> >> Hello James, >> >> >> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >> >> JN> Hi everyone, >> >> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. >> >> Where di you read this please ? >> >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> >> Claude Renaud >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I wouldn't be surprised if VO was in other languages for Snow Leopard though. It might be a good idea to E Mail Apple Accessibility. - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > voiceover for the i pods and i phones are in other languages but > didn't read it in snowleopard > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. >> Yes, I >> think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice >> Over - was >> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about >> Braille >> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple >> to do so >> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is >> Linux >> based, so this should not be too difficult. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "william lomas" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >> >> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >> .do we get new language voices i wonder >> . new braille support in other alnguages? >> etc >> i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >>> Fortunately, I >>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >>> shouldn't >>> be any problem. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Scott Howell" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, >>>> it >>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>>> reasons >>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a >>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you >>>> may >>>> not have considered or realized. >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>>>> phone. >>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. >>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no >>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or >>>>> other web browsers >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>>>>> bummed I >>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos >>>>>> and >>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up >>>>>> with >>>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be >>>>>> happy >>>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook >>>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. >>>>>> Who >>>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook >>>>>> they'll of >>>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >>>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It >>>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always >>>>>> liked >>>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with >>>>>> the >>>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does >>>>>> that. >>>>>> Jenny >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminu
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
voiceover for the i pods and i phones are in other languages but didn't read it in snowleopard On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: > > Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. > Yes, I > think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice > Over - was > localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about > Braille > support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple > to do so > we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is > Linux > based, so this should not be too difficult. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "william lomas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > > > is there a complete list of new features? i.e. > .do we get new language voices i wonder > . new braille support in other alnguages? > etc > i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? >> Fortunately, I >> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there >> shouldn't >> be any problem. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Howell" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >> >> >>> >>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, >>> it >>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other >>> reasons >>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a >>> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you >>> may >>> not have considered or realized. >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>>> phone. >>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. >>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no >>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or >>>> other web browsers >>>> >>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>>>> bummed I >>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos >>>>> and >>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up >>>>> with >>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be >>>>> happy >>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook >>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. >>>>> Who >>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook >>>>> they'll of >>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It >>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always >>>>> liked >>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with >>>>> the >>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does >>>>> that. >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch >>>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the >>>>>> aluminum >>>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will >>>>>> work >>>>>> fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must >>>>>> be >>>>>> an >>>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the >>>>>> G4/G5 >>>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at >>>>>> least >>>>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb wil
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi, > > It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? > Fortunately, I > have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there > shouldn't > be any problem. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Howell" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, >> it >> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons >> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a >> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you >> may >> not have considered or realized. >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>> phone. >>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. >>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no >>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or >>> other web browsers >>> >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>>> bummed I >>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos >>>> and >>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up >>>> with >>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be >>>> happy >>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook >>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. >>>> Who >>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook >>>> they'll of >>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It >>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always >>>> liked >>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with >>>> the >>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does >>>> that. >>>> Jenny >>>> >>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch >>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the >>>>> aluminum >>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will >>>>> work >>>>> fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be >>>>> an >>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the >>>>> G4/G5 >>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at >>>>> least >>>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are >>>>> issued >>>>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently >>>>> with >>>>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is >>>>> hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The >>>>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an >>>>> idea >>>>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might >>>>> lead >>>>> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the futu
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
is there a complete list of new features? i.e. •do we get new language voices i wonder • new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi, > > It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? > Fortunately, I > have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there > shouldn't > be any problem. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Howell" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, >> it >> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons >> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a >> very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you >> may >> not have considered or realized. >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i >>> phone. >>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. >>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no >>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or >>> other web browsers >>> >>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>>> bummed I >>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos >>>> and >>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up >>>> with >>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be >>>> happy >>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook >>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. >>>> Who >>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook >>>> they'll of >>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It >>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always >>>> liked >>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with >>>> the >>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does >>>> that. >>>> Jenny >>>> >>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch >>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the >>>>> aluminum >>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will >>>>> work >>>>> fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be >>>>> an >>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the >>>>> G4/G5 >>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at >>>>> least >>>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are >>>>> issued >>>>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently >>>>> with >>>>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is >>>>> hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The >>>>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an >>>>> idea >>>>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might >>>>> lead >>>>> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. >>>>> So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only >>>>>> line >>>>>> that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April >>>>>> of 08 >>>>>> and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waitin
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: "Scott Howell" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it > doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons > beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a > very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may > not have considered or realized. > On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. >> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. >> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no >> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash >> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or >> other web browsers >> >> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >>> bummed I >>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos >>> and >>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with >>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy >>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook >>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who >>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of >>> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It >>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked >>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the >>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does >>> that. >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch >>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the >>>> aluminum >>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work >>>> fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be >>>> an >>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 >>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at >>>> least >>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are >>>> issued >>>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with >>>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is >>>> hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The >>>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an >>>> idea >>>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead >>>> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. >>>> So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. >>>> >>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only >>>>> line >>>>> that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 >>>>> and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting >>>>> for >>>>> SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? >>>>> Oh >>>>> I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that >>>>> fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever >>>>> is >>>>> doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks >>>>> for >>>>> any answers >>>>> best wishes >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello James, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> JN> Hi everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. >>>>>> >>>>>> Where di you read this please ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Claude Renaud >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: > > i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. > I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. > UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no > point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash > navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or > other web browsers > > On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little >> bummed I >> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos >> and >> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with >> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy >> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook >> happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who >> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of >> come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : >> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It >> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked >> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the >> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does >> that. >> Jenny >> >> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch >>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the >>> aluminum >>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work >>> fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be >>> an >>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 >>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at >>> least >>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are >>> issued >>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with >>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is >>> hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The >>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an >>> idea >>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead >>> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. >>> So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. >>> >>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud wrote: > > Hello James, > > > Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: > > JN> Hi everyone, > > JN> I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. > > Where di you read this please ? > > > Regards, > > -- > > Claude Renaud > > >> > > >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I > don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and > gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with > old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy > to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook > happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who > know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of > come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : > Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It > sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked > the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the > breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does > that. > Jenny > > On 7/6/09, Scott Howell wrote: >> >> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch >> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum >> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work >> fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an >> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 >> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least >> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are >> issued >> from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with >> VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is >> hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The >> point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea >> of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead >> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. >> So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. >> >> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only >>> line >>> that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 >>> and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for >>> SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? >>> Oh >>> I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that >>> fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is >>> doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks >>> for >>> any answers >>> best wishes >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud wrote: Hello James, Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: JN> Hi everyone, JN> I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. Where di you read this please ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud > >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell wrote: > > Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch > trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum > models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work > fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an > Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 > machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least > 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued > from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with > VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is > hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The > point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea > of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead > you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. > So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. > > On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line >> that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 >> and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for >> SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh >> I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that >> fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is >> doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for >> any answers >> best wishes >> Jenny >> >> On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud wrote: >>> >>> Hello James, >>> >>> >>> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >>> >>> JN> Hi everyone, >>> >>> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. >>> >>> Where di you read this please ? >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Claude Renaud >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line > that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 > and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for > SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh > I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that > fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is > doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for > any answers > best wishes > Jenny > > On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud wrote: >> >> Hello James, >> >> >> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >> >> JN> Hi everyone, >> >> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. >> >> Where di you read this please ? >> >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> >> Claude Renaud >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi, Snow Leopard will work quite nicely on any Intel Mac, including any MacBook, white or Al. And, how quickly we forget. The most powerful Macs out there are the desktop MacPros that don't have the little trackpad "thingy". So yes, VO will work via the old stand by, tethered technology of the keyboard and mouse. Fret not; it's my G5 tower that will not be happy when the snow arrives. Best, Scott >Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line >that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 >and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for >SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh >I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that >fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is >doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for >any answers >best wishes >Jenny > >On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud wrote: >> >> Hello James, >> >> >> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >> >> JN> Hi everyone, >> >> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. >> >> Where di you read this please ? >> >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> >> Claude Renaud >> >> >> > >> > > -- --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud wrote: > > Hello James, > > > Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: > > JN> Hi everyone, > > JN> I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. > > Where di you read this please ? > > > Regards, > > -- > > Claude Renaud > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hello James, Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: JN> Hi everyone, JN> I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. Where di you read this please ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Thank you Scoptt, maybe I will go for an MBP then. I have or should i say had a 1st gen Macbook and I had a few hardware issues but that was a few years ago. Perhaps I will go the MBP route. Thanks for the info Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard James, only in MacBooks with the multi-touch trackpad, which at this point is the Pro line. I wouldn't worry to much about the battery honestly. If you have a store or authorized service center near you, it is very easy to change the battery if necessary. Actually you could replace it yourself if you can get the battery. One of the reasons Apple went this route is do to the fact they can save space and weight by using this type of cell, which is packaged differently than how the removable packs are constructed. THis means less packaging to house the battery cells, means greater ability to offer more quantity of juice with less weight. Thus the cells are not housed in a package that is as durable to consumer consumption. I think you will slowly, but surely see more manufacturers going this route. Dell in fact has gone the non-replaceable battery in its top-of-the-line notebook offering. Just thought I'd give some info on the rationale for this type of battery. On Jul 5, 2009, at 6:31 AM, James & Nash wrote: Hi everyone, I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. However, I've heard that the new gestures feature only works on a MacBook Pro is this true? Does anyone have any idea how many of the new VO features will work on a MacBook as I don't really like the idea of an in-built battery were if anything goes wrong the entire laptop will need to be sent back to the store. Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
James, only in MacBooks with the multi-touch trackpad, which at this point is the Pro line. I wouldn't worry to much about the battery honestly. If you have a store or authorized service center near you, it is very easy to change the battery if necessary. Actually you could replace it yourself if you can get the battery. One of the reasons Apple went this route is do to the fact they can save space and weight by using this type of cell, which is packaged differently than how the removable packs are constructed. THis means less packaging to house the battery cells, means greater ability to offer more quantity of juice with less weight. Thus the cells are not housed in a package that is as durable to consumer consumption. I think you will slowly, but surely see more manufacturers going this route. Dell in fact has gone the non-replaceable battery in its top-of-the-line notebook offering. Just thought I'd give some info on the rationale for this type of battery. On Jul 5, 2009, at 6:31 AM, James & Nash wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. However, I've > heard that the new gestures feature only works on a MacBook Pro is > this true? Does anyone have any idea how many of the new VO features > will work on a MacBook as I don't really like the idea of an in- > built battery were if anything goes wrong the entire laptop will > need to be sent back to the store. > > Thanks > > Take care > > James > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi everyone, I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. However, I've heard that the new gestures feature only works on a MacBook Pro is this true? Does anyone have any idea how many of the new VO features will work on a MacBook as I don't really like the idea of an in-built battery were if anything goes wrong the entire laptop will need to be sent back to the store. Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
