Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
No that's not it at all. In this case the choice of buying new calipers at over $225 each, or remans for less than $100. We're not talking about a bag of Doritos that is 5 cents cheaper at Wal Mart, and sorry but Mom and Pop was not a business model that could survive selling commodities like that. Yeah I miss the local Imported Auto Parts that we had in town 15 years ago, that sold good quality parts for european cars, but AutoZone and PepBoys put them out of business. But ironically if I had a good local store for my MB parts I would not be buying from you and Rusty. We have a Wal-Mart in town, and any number of smaller locally owned businesses and they are all coexisting. Allan On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:08 -0400, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that mom pop are not being abandoned for 5x but for 5 cents. and you aren't even getting the nickel for the most part, but just getting confused on the bait and switch and the issue is much bigger than money. it is more about destroying a fine way of life for a really crappy one. some people care more about the kind of world they live in than they do about the illusion of having another nickel. alas, most people don't. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.netwrote: Theres a limit. 15 years ago I needed a starter for my kids POS Ford Escort. $150 Rebuilt from local parts store, owed by a friend. Same friend had wanted to retire and sell me the store. I read the writing on the wall, had no interest. I pulled starter, it was cooked. Local MotorMart sold me one for $29. My friend told me it was POS starter, maybe but it was warenteed for Life which ended up being about 2 years. I cannot pay a X5 factor to support the little guy. -- Pete Arnold This e-mail from Peter Arnold and any attachments to it are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be uncensored. If you have received it in error please consult your religious adviser. If you are not the intended recipient, why have you read this far? Please do not staple, spindle or otherwise mutilate this document, doing so may damage your screen. All communications may be subject to interception or monitoring by the men in black helicopters for security purposes. Please rely on your own swine flu virus checking as the sender cannot accept any liability for any damage arising from any bug or virus infection. Rick Knoble wrote: -- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that really made the internet so charming in earlier days. IMHO, the destruction of mom and pop downtown shops was a top down deal, not bottom up. The solution is to shop local, meaning locally owned businesses, not corporate mega-chains. Here on this list, it means buying from Rusty (and you) for new parts and K'leb for used stuff. Rick Off to the farmers market this afternoon, to shop local ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/6a5467f8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
keep telling yourself these stories On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: No that's not it at all. In this case the choice of buying new calipers at over $225 each, or remans for less than $100. We're not talking about a bag of Doritos that is 5 cents cheaper at Wal Mart, and sorry but Mom and Pop was not a business model that could survive selling commodities like that. Yeah I miss the local Imported Auto Parts that we had in town 15 years ago, that sold good quality parts for european cars, but AutoZone and PepBoys put them out of business. But ironically if I had a good local store for my MB parts I would not be buying from you and Rusty. We have a Wal-Mart in town, and any number of smaller locally owned businesses and they are all coexisting. Allan On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:08 -0400, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that mom pop are not being abandoned for 5x but for 5 cents. and you aren't even getting the nickel for the most part, but just getting confused on the bait and switch and the issue is much bigger than money. it is more about destroying a fine way of life for a really crappy one. some people care more about the kind of world they live in than they do about the illusion of having another nickel. alas, most people don't. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.netwrote: Theres a limit. 15 years ago I needed a starter for my kids POS Ford Escort. $150 Rebuilt from local parts store, owed by a friend. Same friend had wanted to retire and sell me the store. I read the writing on the wall, had no interest. I pulled starter, it was cooked. Local MotorMart sold me one for $29. My friend told me it was POS starter, maybe but it was warenteed for Life which ended up being about 2 years. I cannot pay a X5 factor to support the little guy. -- Pete Arnold This e-mail from Peter Arnold and any attachments to it are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be uncensored. If you have received it in error please consult your religious adviser. If you are not the intended recipient, why have you read this far? Please do not staple, spindle or otherwise mutilate this document, doing so may damage your screen. All communications may be subject to interception or monitoring by the men in black helicopters for security purposes. Please rely on your own swine flu virus checking as the sender cannot accept any liability for any damage arising from any bug or virus infection. Rick Knoble wrote: -- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that really made the internet so charming in earlier days. IMHO, the destruction of mom and pop downtown shops was a top down deal, not bottom up. The solution is to shop local, meaning locally owned businesses, not corporate mega-chains. Here on this list, it means buying from Rusty (and you) for new parts and K'leb for used stuff. Rick Off to the farmers market this afternoon, to shop local ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/6a5467f8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090914/115dadcc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
The remans on my 240D were around $80 each at Autozone and they came in the next day which was a Sunday so I could be on the road Monday morning... One leaked, I got them to order another. I swapped the new one in and brought back the failed one and they credited me... I can't complain. $5 difference, I'll buy the better item. $150 difference on a $400 car, I'll buy the cheap one. -Curt Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:00:58 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1252936858.6354.1334728...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No that's not it at all. In this case the choice of buying new calipers at over $225 each, or remans for less than $100. We're not talking about a bag of Doritos that is 5 cents cheaper at Wal Mart, and sorry but Mom and Pop was not a business model that could survive selling commodities like that. Yeah I miss the local Imported Auto Parts that we had in town 15 years ago, that sold good quality parts for european cars, but AutoZone and PepBoys put them out of business. But ironically if I had a good local store for my MB parts I would not be buying from you and Rusty. We have a Wal-Mart in town, and any number of smaller locally owned businesses and they are all coexisting. Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090914/399bfde6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Maybe I've been lucky - but I've never had any problems with rebuilds - neither the ones I rebuilt or the ones bought rebuilt. I'm surprised so many have had problems (maybe not so many?). Anyway, a friend worked at a company that rebuilt starters, alternators and such - he said they could machine the rotating parts in a way that they'd fail after the warranty had run out. Don't know if that's true or urban legend but I can see machining something that would have a certain lifespan. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net writes: HIgh quality OEM hydraulic parts can be rebuilt, every airplane you've flown in has them. Got to be: cleaned, honed, inspected for pits, reassembled with high quality seals, tested and appropriately stored. After all of that, they have to be properly installed bleed. I bought Reman calipers from Rusty and they were 100% The ones I just bought, and the ones I bought before that, were remans from Rusty. If these only last two years, I'll buy new next time. I bled the system today and it seems to all be working well after grinding down the left front pads. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
-- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that really made the internet so charming in earlier days. IMHO, the destruction of mom and pop downtown shops was a top down deal, not bottom up. The solution is to shop local, meaning locally owned businesses, not corporate mega-chains. Here on this list, it means buying from Rusty (and you) for new parts and K'leb for used stuff. Rick Off to the farmers market this afternoon, to shop local ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
what i'm saying is that it compromises our ability to fully commit to quality. a place like autohausaz shows up selling bosch at roughly their cost, which, as a bosch distributor, is lower than any mom and pop can buy it for. they have access to millions of dollars in financing, so they can spread the word on their great prices. everyone sees they are telling the truth as that alternator that seems to sell for about $140 is there for $110. This is all true and nothing can be done by mom pop about it. But then comes the sleight for hand that transforms the deal. AZ can't stay in business, obviously, selling everything at cost, but they still always have to support the notion that they are selling cheap. So rather than sell a quality part that wholesales for $55 and sells for $75, which makes them look ordinary, they simply sub a cheap chinese part they buy for $10 and sell it for $40. The consumer, now confident that AZ is cheaper can see that they are selling the same part people want $75 to for $40. In reality, AZ is only cheaper on bosch (basically because bosch lets them violate their TOS, if you will, by selling wholesale to the retail public) and has no advantage at all when comparing like with like. their solution is to convince you to compare like with unlike and conclude that AZ is cheaper mom pop are now put in the position where the customer now thinks that part X should cost him $40, which is below the wholesale cost of $55 for the quality part. at this point, what can mom pop do other than to find some kind of chinese part that costs less than $40 to sell for that $40 price? where this ends though is walmart. mom pop rapidly disappear as their customers all flock to cheaper AZ for woeful chinese parts sold by people who were working at burger king last week. AZ can now raise the prices on their chinese junk to $65, which is almost as much as the customer could have gotten a quality part for when mom pop were still around. At the end of the day, we all end up losers, except for an elite few large companies and we look back wondering what happened to the good old days. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote: -- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that really made the internet so charming in earlier days. IMHO, the destruction of mom and pop downtown shops was a top down deal, not bottom up. The solution is to shop local, meaning locally owned businesses, not corporate mega-chains. Here on this list, it means buying from Rusty (and you) for new parts and K'leb for used stuff. Rick Off to the farmers market this afternoon, to shop local ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/cecd342b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Right on-I too am off to local farmers. Destruction of mom and pos was diabolical plot by evil W's and other big boxes. Conspiracy rant off. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rick Knoble Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare -- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that really made the internet so charming in earlier days. IMHO, the destruction of mom and pop downtown shops was a top down deal, not bottom up. The solution is to shop local, meaning locally owned businesses, not corporate mega-chains. Here on this list, it means buying from Rusty (and you) for new parts and K'leb for used stuff. Rick Off to the farmers market this afternoon, to shop local ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Right on again. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare what i'm saying is that it compromises our ability to fully commit to quality. a place like autohausaz shows up selling bosch at roughly their cost, which, as a bosch distributor, is lower than any mom and pop can buy it for. they have access to millions of dollars in financing, so they can spread the word on their great prices. everyone sees they are telling the truth as that alternator that seems to sell for about $140 is there for $110. This is all true and nothing can be done by mom pop about it. But then comes the sleight for hand that transforms the deal. AZ can't stay in business, obviously, selling everything at cost, but they still always have to support the notion that they are selling cheap. So rather than sell a quality part that wholesales for $55 and sells for $75, which makes them look ordinary, they simply sub a cheap chinese part they buy for $10 and sell it for $40. The consumer, now confident that AZ is cheaper can see that they are selling the same part people want $75 to for $40. In reality, AZ is only cheaper on bosch (basically because bosch lets them violate their TOS, if you will, by selling wholesale to the retail public) and has no advantage at all when comparing like with like. their solution is to convince you to compare like with unlike and conclude that AZ is cheaper mom pop are now put in the position where the customer now thinks that part X should cost him $40, which is below the wholesale cost of $55 for the quality part. at this point, what can mom pop do other than to find some kind of chinese part that costs less than $40 to sell for that $40 price? where this ends though is walmart. mom pop rapidly disappear as their customers all flock to cheaper AZ for woeful chinese parts sold by people who were working at burger king last week. AZ can now raise the prices on their chinese junk to $65, which is almost as much as the customer could have gotten a quality part for when mom pop were still around. At the end of the day, we all end up losers, except for an elite few large companies and we look back wondering what happened to the good old days. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote: -- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that really made the internet so charming in earlier days. IMHO, the destruction of mom and pop downtown shops was a top down deal, not bottom up. The solution is to shop local, meaning locally owned businesses, not corporate mega-chains. Here on this list, it means buying from Rusty (and you) for new parts and K'leb for used stuff. Rick Off to the farmers market this afternoon, to shop local ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/ce cd342b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Theres a limit. 15 years ago I needed a starter for my kids POS Ford Escort. $150 Rebuilt from local parts store, owed by a friend. Same friend had wanted to retire and sell me the store. I read the writing on the wall, had no interest. I pulled starter, it was cooked. Local MotorMart sold me one for $29. My friend told me it was POS starter, maybe but it was warenteed for Life which ended up being about 2 years. I cannot pay a X5 factor to support the little guy. -- Pete Arnold This e-mail from Peter Arnold and any attachments to it are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be uncensored. If you have received it in error please consult your religious adviser. If you are not the intended recipient, why have you read this far? Please do not staple, spindle or otherwise mutilate this document, doing so may damage your screen. All communications may be subject to interception or monitoring by the men in black helicopters for security purposes. Please rely on your own swine flu virus checking as the sender cannot accept any liability for any damage arising from any bug or virus infection. Rick Knoble wrote: -- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that really made the internet so charming in earlier days. IMHO, the destruction of mom and pop downtown shops was a top down deal, not bottom up. The solution is to shop local, meaning locally owned businesses, not corporate mega-chains. Here on this list, it means buying from Rusty (and you) for new parts and K'leb for used stuff. Rick Off to the farmers market this afternoon, to shop local ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Dwight wrote: Right on-I too am off to local farmers. Destruction of mom and pos was diabolical plot by evil W's and other big boxes. Conspiracy rant off. The term we tried to invent 8 years ago (on banned) is wallyrigged. Maybe it can stick this time. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
the problem is that mom pop are not being abandoned for 5x but for 5 cents. and you aren't even getting the nickel for the most part, but just getting confused on the bait and switch and the issue is much bigger than money. it is more about destroying a fine way of life for a really crappy one. some people care more about the kind of world they live in than they do about the illusion of having another nickel. alas, most people don't. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.netwrote: Theres a limit. 15 years ago I needed a starter for my kids POS Ford Escort. $150 Rebuilt from local parts store, owed by a friend. Same friend had wanted to retire and sell me the store. I read the writing on the wall, had no interest. I pulled starter, it was cooked. Local MotorMart sold me one for $29. My friend told me it was POS starter, maybe but it was warenteed for Life which ended up being about 2 years. I cannot pay a X5 factor to support the little guy. -- Pete Arnold This e-mail from Peter Arnold and any attachments to it are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be uncensored. If you have received it in error please consult your religious adviser. If you are not the intended recipient, why have you read this far? Please do not staple, spindle or otherwise mutilate this document, doing so may damage your screen. All communications may be subject to interception or monitoring by the men in black helicopters for security purposes. Please rely on your own swine flu virus checking as the sender cannot accept any liability for any damage arising from any bug or virus infection. Rick Knoble wrote: -- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that really made the internet so charming in earlier days. IMHO, the destruction of mom and pop downtown shops was a top down deal, not bottom up. The solution is to shop local, meaning locally owned businesses, not corporate mega-chains. Here on this list, it means buying from Rusty (and you) for new parts and K'leb for used stuff. Rick Off to the farmers market this afternoon, to shop local ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/6a5467f8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
I have expressed my opinion about the wallyworld plague before, and how it literally destroyed the economy and culture of the small town I lived in in Wisconsin. Suffice to say that I patently refuse to buy anything from WalMart and will continue to do so. I know my actions have little effect, but it's the only way I can express my opinion and have an effect, albeit a small one. FWIW, we sometimes have the same thing happen selling generator parts. Some things are easily sourced from others, and when people do so, they often end up coming back to buy the good part from us. In a lot of cases it's dealers who sell stuff on eBay and online for next to nothing. How they do it, I don't know, but they can't be making enough money to be profitable, I believe. Poos --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 1:08 PM the problem is that mom pop are not being abandoned for 5x but for 5 cents. and you aren't even getting the nickel for the most part, but just getting confused on the bait and switch and the issue is much bigger than money. it is more about destroying a fine way of life for a really crappy one. some people care more about the kind of world they live in than they do about the illusion of having another nickel. alas, most people don't. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.netwrote: Theres a limit. 15 years ago I needed a starter for my kids POS Ford Escort. $150 Rebuilt from local parts store, owed by a friend. Same friend had wanted to retire and sell me the store. I read the writing on the wall, had no interest. I pulled starter, it was cooked. Local MotorMart sold me one for $29. My friend told me it was POS starter, maybe but it was warenteed for Life which ended up being about 2 years. I cannot pay a X5 factor to support the little guy. -- Pete Arnold This e-mail from Peter Arnold and any attachments to it are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be uncensored. If you have received it in error please consult your religious adviser. If you are not the intended recipient, why have you read this far? Please do not staple, spindle or otherwise mutilate this document, doing so may damage your screen. All communications may be subject to interception or monitoring by the men in black helicopters for security purposes. Please rely on your own swine flu virus checking as the sender cannot accept any liability for any damage arising from any bug or virus infection. Rick Knoble wrote: -- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that really made the internet so charming in earlier days. IMHO, the destruction of mom and pop downtown shops was a top down deal, not bottom up. The solution is to shop local, meaning locally owned businesses, not corporate mega-chains. Here on this list, it means buying from Rusty (and you) for new parts and K'leb for used stuff. Rick Off to the farmers market this afternoon, to shop local ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/6a5467f8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'd have to think about it for a while. what would you say was your original definition of the term? there is a woman up the street who is crazy. previously, she went to war against the snakes in the neighborhood. the snakes frighten her, so she called the police everyday in an effort to eradicate them . then when the police seemed to lose interest, she tried to get everyone on the block to kill the snakes on their property. sanity prevailed, however, as these snakes eat rats and we'd rather have snakes that just lie around all day digesting rat than having the rats alive. now she is calling the police about dogs. teh dogs are barking. this means they are in distress. animal control must investigate and all the dogs in distress must be confiscated by the government. so there is a swat team of animal control on my corner right now investigating this dog torture ring. so now i have to get dressed and go up the block and cuss everyone out. this doesn't relate to anything, but it just popped up on me and i figured i'd share :) On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dwight wrote: Right on-I too am off to local farmers. Destruction of mom and pos was diabolical plot by evil W's and other big boxes. Conspiracy rant off. The term we tried to invent 8 years ago (on banned) is wallyrigged. Maybe it can stick this time. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/29837361/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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AND - those employeed by Wal-Mart are receiving food stamps (SNAP now) to be able to feed their families On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the problem is that mom pop are not being abandoned for 5x but for 5 cents. and you aren't even getting the nickel for the most part, but just getting confused on the bait and switch and the issue is much bigger than money. it is more about destroying a fine way of life for a really crappy one. some people care more about the kind of world they live in than they do about the illusion of having another nickel. alas, most people don't. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/481a5d6c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks for sharing - if she succeeds in getting rid of the dogs, let us know. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd have to think about it for a while. what would you say was your original definition of the term? there is a woman up the street who is crazy. previously, she went to war against the snakes in the neighborhood. the snakes frighten her, so she called the police everyday in an effort to eradicate them . then when the police seemed to lose interest, she tried to get everyone on the block to kill the snakes on their property. sanity prevailed, however, as these snakes eat rats and we'd rather have snakes that just lie around all day digesting rat than having the rats alive. now she is calling the police about dogs. teh dogs are barking. this means they are in distress. animal control must investigate and all the dogs in distress must be confiscated by the government. so there is a swat team of animal control on my corner right now investigating this dog torture ring. so now i have to get dressed and go up the block and cuss everyone out. this doesn't relate to anything, but it just popped up on me and i figured i'd share :) -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/c3a2bd4a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i think all we can do is try to support the few locals who remain and try to educate others into the error of their ways. but, as i've said, they don't care as they think they got a free nickel, when they got nothing but reamed and made the world a vastly inferior place. in some older neighborhoods you can find some of the old businesses still alive, but they are fading fast. in the town rusty grew up in, sandy springs, you can still find a few such places but most of them are long gone. i still sometimes go there to actually deal with dedicated people trying to do a quality job. last week my cellphone broke, so i took it this ship where a father and son just fix phones all day long rather than just chuck it and get the latest and greatest. the kid fixed it in about 10 minutes. when he refused payment as he really didn't do anything i tried to offer him $20 as a tip for being helpful to me. he refused that as well, saying that all he wants from me is to tell people about their service. how much longer before the only place to go is the idiots at the verizon store? On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:16 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I have expressed my opinion about the wallyworld plague before, and how it literally destroyed the economy and culture of the small town I lived in in Wisconsin. Suffice to say that I patently refuse to buy anything from WalMart and will continue to do so. I know my actions have little effect, but it's the only way I can express my opinion and have an effect, albeit a small one. FWIW, we sometimes have the same thing happen selling generator parts. Some things are easily sourced from others, and when people do so, they often end up coming back to buy the good part from us. In a lot of cases it's dealers who sell stuff on eBay and online for next to nothing. How they do it, I don't know, but they can't be making enough money to be profitable, I believe. Poos --- On Sun, 9/13/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 1:08 PM the problem is that mom pop are not being abandoned for 5x but for 5 cents. and you aren't even getting the nickel for the most part, but just getting confused on the bait and switch and the issue is much bigger than money. it is more about destroying a fine way of life for a really crappy one. some people care more about the kind of world they live in than they do about the illusion of having another nickel. alas, most people don't. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Theres a limit. 15 years ago I needed a starter for my kids POS Ford Escort. $150 Rebuilt from local parts store, owed by a friend. Same friend had wanted to retire and sell me the store. I read the writing on the wall, had no interest. I pulled starter, it was cooked. Local MotorMart sold me one for $29. My friend told me it was POS starter, maybe but it was warenteed for Life which ended up being about 2 years. I cannot pay a X5 factor to support the little guy. -- Pete Arnold This e-mail from Peter Arnold and any attachments to it are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be uncensored. If you have received it in error please consult your religious adviser. If you are not the intended recipient, why have you read this far? Please do not staple, spindle or otherwise mutilate this document, doing so may damage your screen. All communications may be subject to interception or monitoring by the men in black helicopters for security purposes. Please rely on your own swine flu virus checking as the sender cannot accept any liability for any damage arising from any bug or virus infection. Rick Knoble wrote: -- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that really made the internet so charming in earlier days. IMHO, the destruction of mom and pop downtown shops was a top down deal, not bottom up. The solution is to shop local, meaning locally owned businesses, not corporate mega-chains. Here on this list, it means buying from Rusty (and you) for new parts and K'leb for used stuff. Rick Off to the farmers market this afternoon, to shop local ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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no, the police will probably not help her much and then she will ask us to help her and we wont' either. then next week it will start all over again with something else. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:21 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing - if she succeeds in getting rid of the dogs, let us know. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd have to think about it for a while. what would you say was your original definition of the term? there is a woman up the street who is crazy. previously, she went to war against the snakes in the neighborhood. the snakes frighten her, so she called the police everyday in an effort to eradicate them . then when the police seemed to lose interest, she tried to get everyone on the block to kill the snakes on their property. sanity prevailed, however, as these snakes eat rats and we'd rather have snakes that just lie around all day digesting rat than having the rats alive. now she is calling the police about dogs. teh dogs are barking. this means they are in distress. animal control must investigate and all the dogs in distress must be confiscated by the government. so there is a swat team of animal control on my corner right now investigating this dog torture ring. so now i have to get dressed and go up the block and cuss everyone out. this doesn't relate to anything, but it just popped up on me and i figured i'd share :) -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/c3a2bd4a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/12f873c1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sadly it only takes on lunatic to ruin the peace and quiet. We are very lucky, we have had good neighbors next door for many, many years. I guess that house attracts reasonable, stable people (plain colonial with lots of knotty pine panelling). Not a pretentious house. The current folks are the best neighbors one could as for. The new house in the 'burg next door doesn't draw such nice people, being and upscale sort of place, but everyone that has lived there has been perfectly pleasant, if somewhat obsessed with lawn care. The first two got into financial trouble and had to move, luckily actually selling the house so they didn't go bankrupt, but you know what I mean. One horse's backside can make the whole place a strain Somebody needs to tell this woman about nuisance reporting -- it's at least a misdemeanor and if she keeps it up, not only could she do jail time and get a record, someday she's going to convince everyone she's just making things up and then something real will come up, and no one will respond. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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jabba wrote: and you aren't even getting the nickel for the most part, but just getting confused on the bait and switch I like the text on the Florida's Natural co-op premium not-from-concentrate OJ we purchase. Speaks to the same issue. Other mega-national corporations put juice in the carton from Brazil or other less expensive source - skrew the laws that do not govern there like they do here in USA. So, now we need some better health care system to cover up the cost saving from some inferior product coming in cartons of OJ. It is not only the nickel saved and bait/switch - it is all of our products sourced out of our area. Buy local as often as possible. Pay as much as possible for items you need. My son wrenches every day on cars - well, not every day now, as biz has evaporated - but he says you can notice difference in OE rotors, OE exhaust parts - they last, whereas aftermarket does not last. Whatever the difference - pay it and you will be ahead, instead of behind. Only we can affect business practices, since the bozos in DC are not capable of even collecting taxes. Eliminate DC and we could be much better. They accomplish nothing, anywhere. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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jabba wrote: but, as i've said, they don't care as they think they got a free nickel, when they got nothing but reamed and made the world a vastly inferior place. annihilate the education system also, as they are the system that has indoctrinated all of us of the value of a nickel. there is no need to be indoctrinated like this. I did not like it when I heard Tim Worth and Gary Hart speak it 30 years ago - I don't like it now. Our advanced kulture of service economy is good enuf to shove in the sewer. Save a nickel does not come down the line enuf to be of any use to the people in the country. Annihilate DC. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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jabba wrote: i'd have to think about it for a while. what would you say was your original definition of the term? original definition? - exactly what you are speaking about. no nickel saved, no nickel earned, mere rape by mega-national corporation skrewing with every last one of their suppliers to get the lowest prices. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd also like to see congress take a few years off - I'd even be willing to pay for their vacation - they'd do far less damage like that than when they are creating all kinds of new laws that are un-necessary at best and socialist at worst. We'd never miss them and the country would likely be better off the longer they remain on vacation. Of course, they'd never go for it (the vacation) because the population would see how little they (congress) are needed. For that matter, the federal laws passed in the last 40 years could be declared null and void with little or no consequence. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare jabba wrote: but, as i've said, they don't care as they think they got a free nickel, when they got nothing but reamed and made the world a vastly inferior place. annihilate the education system also, as they are the system that has indoctrinated all of us of the value of a nickel. there is no need to be indoctrinated like this. I did not like it when I heard Tim Worth and Gary Hart speak it 30 years ago - I don't like it now. Our advanced kulture of service economy is good enuf to shove in the sewer. Save a nickel does not come down the line enuf to be of any use to the people in the country. Annihilate DC. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote: For that matter, the federal laws passed in the last 40 years could be declared null and void with little or no consequence. We're off topic for this list, but I've always thought it should be 100 years. (until the 100th birthday of the Federal Reserve Act, then it should be more than 100 years). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a draft email in my Yahoo account for that purpose... It used to be that if I just clicked out of Rusty's site my purchases would remain, musta been a cookie or something. Was pretty handy although a bit of a privacy concern. Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:32:00 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980909111832y61ec75a0g46d608c4611cb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That's what post-it notes on the side of the monitor are for On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:31 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I wish Rustys site had a Wish List that lasted even when we log out! I often have a few small things to order the next time I need something big but always forget about them! -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/09ccd3ab/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I actually have several ideas on this front. #1. Congressional layoffs. The money saved is not just in having too many legislators (which we do) but that each legislator has too much staff... #2. No paid congressional travel anywhere other than from their home district to Washington and back. Ever. #3. All legislators will work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week for 1 month at a time. Then they go home for a month. Then another month in DC, then home. Missing votes is not an option without a berevement or medical release. In Washington all legislators will be housed in dormitory style housing. In Washington all legislators will be issued a 10'x6' office. It will have a desk, a computer a phone and 3 chairs. Connected will be one staff office, it will be 10'x10', it will have 2 desks, 2 computers, 2 phones, 6 chairs. There will be no carpet, no windows, no art. Offices are to work in. I could go on all night with this. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:19:21 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 6ebcdf75cb334ff9902a4dce28db6...@toshibalaptop Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I'd also like to see congress take a few years off - I'd even be willing to pay for their vacation - they'd do far less damage like that than when they are creating all kinds of new laws that are un-necessary at best and socialist at worst. We'd never miss them and the country would likely be better off the longer they remain on vacation. Of course, they'd never go for it (the vacation) because the population would see how little they (congress) are needed. For that matter, the federal laws passed in the last 40 years could be declared null and void with little or no consequence. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/58640d9f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I could go for that - actually the Va legislature works kind of like that - The General Assembly meets annually, beginning on the second Wednesday in January, for 60 days in even-numbered years and for 30 days in odd-numbered years, with an option to extend annual sessions for a maximum of 30 days.. There are usually 1000+ bills to consider but because of the time frame many are tossed out. The gov can call a special session if there are severe budget/economic problems but it doesn't happen often Also, the Gov serves for a single 4 year term, then he's gone. I really like your ideas about the fed legislature - especially the austere offices - just like Walmart actually! But for slightly different reasons - Mr Walton said his managers were supposed to be on the road and not in a fancy office. Limiting their travel to once a year would save gobs of money. Also, they should fly commercial, business class - no exceptions. No limos, they can be driven to the office in a Taurus. Count their lucky stars I'd allow a chauffer - but there's no reason they can all ride together in a few buses from the dorm! The temps in their offices must be on 78 in the summer and 62 in the winter. Work fast and you stay warm! I'd also limit their pay drastically. Can't tie it to minimum wage because they'd increase min wage, but to make it equal to what, ... say an engineer makes fresh out of college - $65 or $70k per year IIRC. I'd also (as long as we're dreaming because that's what this is) I'd say no lawyers! Only people with business degrees, engineering, scientific or economic degree's can be elected. May as well require them to have worked 5 years at some point after high school but running a business would count. Oh yeah, about campaign promises - if they don't make a concerted effort to do what they promise within the 1st 2 sessions then they must leave. Resign and find another job. Also, they take an OATH to observe protect the Constitution. If they introduce things that undermine this country (like leaving our borders open) bring them up on charges. You know? I bet we could pick the top 10 and start to push for this.. Without congress it cannot go anywhere but maybe we could get the American people behind it and require every legislature running must declare they will work within these guidelines and work to change them to the LAW! In the meantime they still adhere to them. It'd be a great vote getter for those running who choose to endorse our ideas IMO. Oh well, enuf dreamin' LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:53 PM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare I actually have several ideas on this front. #1. Congressional layoffs. The money saved is not just in having too many legislators (which we do) but that each legislator has too much staff... #2. No paid congressional travel anywhere other than from their home district to Washington and back. Ever. #3. All legislators will work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week for 1 month at a time. Then they go home for a month. Then another month in DC, then home. Missing votes is not an option without a berevement or medical release. In Washington all legislators will be housed in dormitory style housing. In Washington all legislators will be issued a 10'x6' office. It will have a desk, a computer a phone and 3 chairs. Connected will be one staff office, it will be 10'x10', it will have 2 desks, 2 computers, 2 phones, 6 chairs. There will be no carpet, no windows, no art. Offices are to work in. I could go on all night with this. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:19:21 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 6ebcdf75cb334ff9902a4dce28db6...@toshibalaptop Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I'd also like to see congress take a few years off - I'd even be willing to pay for their vacation - they'd do far less damage like that than when they are creating all kinds of new laws that are un-necessary at best and socialist at worst. We'd never miss them and the country would likely be better off the longer they remain on vacation. Of course, they'd never go for it (the vacation) because the population would see how little they (congress) are needed. For that matter, the federal laws passed in the last 40 years could be declared null and void with little or no consequence. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/58640d9f/attachment.html
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On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a draft email in my Yahoo account for that purpose... It used to be that if I just clicked out of Rusty's site my purchases would remain, musta been a cookie or something. Was pretty handy although a bit of a privacy concern. Actually, a cookie is something on YOUR computer ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: #1. Congressional layoffs. The money saved is not just in having too many legislators (which we do) but that each legislator has too much staff... Don't forget all the money put to decent use in the ekonomy - no lobbyists allowed, since they are all layed off. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote: If they introduce things that undermine this country (like leaving our borders open) bring them up on charges. I have followed this rationale for years, but am beginning to not like the borders element of borders, language, culture (Michael Savage). Very few of us are indigenous peoples - most of us have loong history of past immigration, some more recent. I am rethinking the borders thing, as it seems a sham strawman that should be dropped. What to do with some of the issues open borders brings - I don't know, but I am growing to reject the closed border thing. It sounds more like a boondoggle that is becoming a federal program that never ends, doesn't do any of what it set out to accomplish, and costs more and more dollars. Me? - I'm ready to scrap the closed borders option. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
I know but cookies can be tracked. If you were in the tinfoil hat set you'd be worried about that... -Curt Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:44:11 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090913184411.76ea8916.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a draft email in my Yahoo account for that purpose... It used to be that if I just clicked out of Rusty's site my purchases would remain, musta been a cookie or something. Was pretty handy although a bit of a privacy concern. Actually, a cookie is something on YOUR computer ... Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/5599d00b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just downloaded Rainlendar from filehippo.com. It's supposed to have a place where you can put stuff you want to do when you get around to it, but I haven't had time to play with it yet. Downloaded it some time ago but it wasn't very user friendly then. Seems to be much better now. Its free and not too big. Gerry From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com I have a draft email in my Yahoo account for that purpose... It used to be that if I just clicked out of Rusty's site my purchases would remain, musta been a cookie or something. Was pretty handy although a bit of a privacy concern. From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com That's what post-it notes on the side of the monitor are for On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:31 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I wish Rustys site had a Wish List that lasted even when we log out! I often have a few small things to order the next time I need something big but always forget about them! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/c8df8b3d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Are you sure that the borders aren't being closed to keep us in??? I have followed this rationale for years, but am beginning to not like the borders element of borders, language, culture (Michael Savage). Very few of us are indigenous peoples - most of us have loong history of past immigration, some more recent. I am rethinking the borders thing, as it seems a sham strawman that should be dropped. What to do with some of the issues open borders brings - I don't know, but I am growing to reject the closed border thing. It sounds more like a boondoggle that is becoming a federal program that never ends, doesn't do any of what it set out to accomplish, and costs more and more dollars. Me? - I'm ready to scrap the closed borders option. mao -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/673f86cd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I know but cookies can be tracked. If you were in the tinfoil hat set you'd be worried about that... Or you delete all your cookies either at browser close or with a manual effort. And you clean out your .macromedia flash folders. Like I do. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
HIgh quality OEM hydraulic parts can be rebuilt, every airplane you've flown in has them. Got to be: cleaned, honed, inspected for pits, reassembled with high quality seals, tested and appropriately stored. After all of that, they have to be properly installed bleed. I bought Reman calipers from Rusty and they were 100% -- Pete Arnold This e-mail from Peter Arnold and any attachments to it are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be uncensored. If you have received it in error please consult your religious adviser. If you are not the intended recipient, why have you read this far? Please do not staple, spindle or otherwise mutilate this document, doing so may damage your screen. All communications may be subject to interception or monitoring by the men in black helicopters for security purposes. Please rely on your own swine flu virus checking as the sender cannot accept any liability for any damage arising from any bug or virus infection. Gary Hurst wrote: i'm very careful when i mess with rebuilt calipers and generally don't like to buy or sell them. back in the day, before benzbin and, particularly, autohausaz walmarted a receptive public with cheap indian and chinese crap, rusty and i wouldn't even sell rebuilt calipers unless our arms were twisted severely. today, however, there is no way to sell a brand new ate unit for $200 when the garbage merchants have convinced that public that some absolute garbage rebuilt in a sweat shop by an 8 year old chinese kid is the same thing for $40 the public has absolutely rejected quality in favor of cheap. it puts us in the troubling position of either selling the junk you people absolutely and unequivocally insist on despite our personal beliefs or simply closing up shop and finding another livelihood. it's not too late for y'all to repent your evil ways and prevent the total annihilation of quality. not that i'm really hopeful that any of you will, but it's really not too late. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps get a rebuild kit for the old caliper from Rusty - now that you've bought some time. It might be better than the one you bought. It's not that hard to rebuild one. There's a 50 core refund I'd give up. Plus the cost of the kit. Not worth it. They were rebuilds too. Only lasted 2 years. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090911/f4064842/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Pete- I like your new signature. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare HIgh quality OEM hydraulic parts can be rebuilt, every airplane you've flown in has them. Got to be: cleaned, honed, inspected for pits, reassembled with high quality seals, tested and appropriately stored. After all of that, they have to be properly installed bleed. I bought Reman calipers from Rusty and they were 100% -- Pete Arnold This e-mail from Peter Arnold and any attachments to it are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be uncensored. If you have received it in error please consult your religious adviser. If you are not the intended recipient, why have you read this far? Please do not staple, spindle or otherwise mutilate this document, doing so may damage your screen. All communications may be subject to interception or monitoring by the men in black helicopters for security purposes. Please rely on your own swine flu virus checking as the sender cannot accept any liability for any damage arising from any bug or virus infection. Gary Hurst wrote: i'm very careful when i mess with rebuilt calipers and generally don't like to buy or sell them. back in the day, before benzbin and, particularly, autohausaz walmarted a receptive public with cheap indian and chinese crap, rusty and i wouldn't even sell rebuilt calipers unless our arms were twisted severely. today, however, there is no way to sell a brand new ate unit for $200 when the garbage merchants have convinced that public that some absolute garbage rebuilt in a sweat shop by an 8 year old chinese kid is the same thing for $40 the public has absolutely rejected quality in favor of cheap. it puts us in the troubling position of either selling the junk you people absolutely and unequivocally insist on despite our personal beliefs or simply closing up shop and finding another livelihood. it's not too late for y'all to repent your evil ways and prevent the total annihilation of quality. not that i'm really hopeful that any of you will, but it's really not too late. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps get a rebuild kit for the old caliper from Rusty - now that you've bought some time. It might be better than the one you bought. It's not that hard to rebuild one. There's a 50 core refund I'd give up. Plus the cost of the kit. Not worth it. They were rebuilds too. Only lasted 2 years. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090911/f4 064842/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Gary You should have been a televangelist. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare i'm very careful when i mess with rebuilt calipers and generally don't like to buy or sell them. back in the day, before benzbin and, particularly, autohausaz walmarted a receptive public with cheap indian and chinese crap, rusty and i wouldn't even sell rebuilt calipers unless our arms were twisted severely. today, however, there is no way to sell a brand new ate unit for $200 when the garbage merchants have convinced that public that some absolute garbage rebuilt in a sweat shop by an 8 year old chinese kid is the same thing for $40 the public has absolutely rejected quality in favor of cheap. it puts us in the troubling position of either selling the junk you people absolutely and unequivocally insist on despite our personal beliefs or simply closing up shop and finding another livelihood. it's not too late for y'all to repent your evil ways and prevent the total annihilation of quality. not that i'm really hopeful that any of you will, but it's really not too late. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps get a rebuild kit for the old caliper from Rusty - now that you've bought some time. It might be better than the one you bought. It's not that hard to rebuild one. There's a 50 core refund I'd give up. Plus the cost of the kit. Not worth it. They were rebuilds too. Only lasted 2 years. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090911/f4 064842/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net writes: HIgh quality OEM hydraulic parts can be rebuilt, every airplane you've flown in has them. Got to be: cleaned, honed, inspected for pits, reassembled with high quality seals, tested and appropriately stored. After all of that, they have to be properly installed bleed. I bought Reman calipers from Rusty and they were 100% The ones I just bought, and the ones I bought before that, were remans from Rusty. If these only last two years, I'll buy new next time. I bled the system today and it seems to all be working well after grinding down the left front pads. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
peter misses the point. some 8 year old chinese kids can do a better job in 12 minutes than others can. or maybe the kid can have good days or bad days? it is a dicey process and not conducive to an overall quality experience. this has absolutely nothing at all to do with rusty. it is about how the consumer has created the walmartization of america, in fact, insisted on it against all other possibilities, but then he complains about it. there is something distasteful to me about people who get what they beg for and insist on and then cry about how they don't like it. if you seek to make everything into walmart, you ought to rejoice in your success at it. i personally am horrified by walmartization and will continue to fight against it. you will continue to fight for walmartization because you want an extra nickel in your pocket come hell or high water (which you will probably just give over to your government anyway in the end). based on how things are going, you will win and i will lose. then you can wax nostalgic for the good old days that you had brought to an end. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net writes: HIgh quality OEM hydraulic parts can be rebuilt, every airplane you've flown in has them. Got to be: cleaned, honed, inspected for pits, reassembled with high quality seals, tested and appropriately stored. After all of that, they have to be properly installed bleed. I bought Reman calipers from Rusty and they were 100% The ones I just bought, and the ones I bought before that, were remans from Rusty. If these only last two years, I'll buy new next time. I bled the system today and it seems to all be working well after grinding down the left front pads. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090912/7c4a2fcc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Having just come across this evil stuff, I cleaned one rotor and then found a little note in the ATE box to say that stuff does not need to be removed. The instructions which I read beforehand did say to remove the gunk if your rotors are not high performance (ie drilled and cross cut). Using gasoline to clean the gunk is not a good idea because it is oil based and will leave a residue. I found that fitting the rotor and then using fine sandpaper whilst spinning the rotor. Hendrik Allan Streib wrote: The new front rotors are coated with what looks like varnish. Brake cleaner doesn't touch it. Gasoline takes it off, slowly. Spend about an hour cleaning the rotors. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Using gasoline to clean the gunk is not a good idea because it is oil based and will leave a residue. I cleaned the rotors with brake cleaner after the gasoline treatment. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, Peter said that remanufacturing can be done properly and result in a serviceable product. He additionally said that he got quality remans from Rusty. You seem to be saying that the only choices are some slave-child-labor, questionable quality reman, or new. Allan Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com writes: peter misses the point. some 8 year old chinese kids can do a better job in 12 minutes than others can. or maybe the kid can have good days or bad days? it is a dicey process and not conducive to an overall quality experience. this has absolutely nothing at all to do with rusty. it is about how the consumer has created the walmartization of america, in fact, insisted on it against all other possibilities, but then he complains about it. there is something distasteful to me about people who get what they beg for and insist on and then cry about how they don't like it. if you seek to make everything into walmart, you ought to rejoice in your success at it. i personally am horrified by walmartization and will continue to fight against it. you will continue to fight for walmartization because you want an extra nickel in your pocket come hell or high water (which you will probably just give over to your government anyway in the end). based on how things are going, you will win and i will lose. then you can wax nostalgic for the good old days that you had brought to an end. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net writes: HIgh quality OEM hydraulic parts can be rebuilt, every airplane you've flown in has them. Got to be: cleaned, honed, inspected for pits, reassembled with high quality seals, tested and appropriately stored. After all of that, they have to be properly installed bleed. I bought Reman calipers from Rusty and they were 100% ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
no, i'm saying that continued focus on the cost bottom line will end you up in a world where you cannot get any quality either in product or service. the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that really made the internet so charming in earlier days. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: No, Peter said that remanufacturing can be done properly and result in a serviceable product. He additionally said that he got quality remans from Rusty. You seem to be saying that the only choices are some slave-child-labor, questionable quality reman, or new. Allan Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com writes: peter misses the point. some 8 year old chinese kids can do a better job in 12 minutes than others can. or maybe the kid can have good days or bad days? it is a dicey process and not conducive to an overall quality experience. this has absolutely nothing at all to do with rusty. it is about how the consumer has created the walmartization of america, in fact, insisted on it against all other possibilities, but then he complains about it. there is something distasteful to me about people who get what they beg for and insist on and then cry about how they don't like it. if you seek to make everything into walmart, you ought to rejoice in your success at it. i personally am horrified by walmartization and will continue to fight against it. you will continue to fight for walmartization because you want an extra nickel in your pocket come hell or high water (which you will probably just give over to your government anyway in the end). based on how things are going, you will win and i will lose. then you can wax nostalgic for the good old days that you had brought to an end. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net writes: HIgh quality OEM hydraulic parts can be rebuilt, every airplane you've flown in has them. Got to be: cleaned, honed, inspected for pits, reassembled with high quality seals, tested and appropriately stored. After all of that, they have to be properly installed bleed. I bought Reman calipers from Rusty and they were 100% ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090913/d611d2cb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Hi Allan, You wrote Only lasted 2 years How did they fail? I'm rebuilding a pair of front W123 calipers right now and they are very simple. A metal cover that pries off, rubber seal and rubber o-ring - put new ones in (after coating with brake fluid) and everything falls into place. Will do the passenger side today which will hopefully be as easy as the other was. I have a pair of 124 calipers needing a rebuild. I shoud have ordered kits for them when I bought the 123 kits and pads! I wish Rustys site had a Wish List that lasted even when we log out! I often have a few small things to order the next time I need something big but always forget about them! Later ya'll - LarryT '78 240D/'91 300D 2.5T OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps get a rebuild kit for the old caliper from Rusty - now that you've bought some time. It might be better than the one you bought. It's not that hard to rebuild one. There's a 50 core refund I'd give up. Plus the cost of the kit. Not worth it. They were rebuilds too. Only lasted 2 years. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Pistons rusted and siezed in the bore. Won't move. It was the inside piston on all four calipers. Never seen anything like it. Allan On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:31 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Allan, You wrote Only lasted 2 years How did they fail? I'm rebuilding a pair of front W123 calipers right now and they are very simple. A metal cover that pries off, rubber seal and rubber o-ring - put new ones in (after coating with brake fluid) and everything falls into place. Will do the passenger side today which will hopefully be as easy as the other was. I have a pair of 124 calipers needing a rebuild. I shoud have ordered kits for them when I bought the 123 kits and pads! I wish Rustys site had a Wish List that lasted even when we log out! I often have a few small things to order the next time I need something big but always forget about them! Later ya'll - LarryT '78 240D/'91 300D 2.5T OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
That's what post-it notes on the side of the monitor are for On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:31 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I wish Rustys site had a Wish List that lasted even when we log out! I often have a few small things to order the next time I need something big but always forget about them! -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090911/7c3082a8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Hmmm I haven't seen those - are they on Rusty's site or are you saying I should put post-its on my screen? Unfortunately, they might block the view of the White-Out. ;-) LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare That's what post-it notes on the side of the monitor are for On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:31 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I wish Rustys site had a Wish List that lasted even when we log out! I often have a few small things to order the next time I need something big but always forget about them! -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090911/7c3082a8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'm very careful when i mess with rebuilt calipers and generally don't like to buy or sell them. back in the day, before benzbin and, particularly, autohausaz walmarted a receptive public with cheap indian and chinese crap, rusty and i wouldn't even sell rebuilt calipers unless our arms were twisted severely. today, however, there is no way to sell a brand new ate unit for $200 when the garbage merchants have convinced that public that some absolute garbage rebuilt in a sweat shop by an 8 year old chinese kid is the same thing for $40 the public has absolutely rejected quality in favor of cheap. it puts us in the troubling position of either selling the junk you people absolutely and unequivocally insist on despite our personal beliefs or simply closing up shop and finding another livelihood. it's not too late for y'all to repent your evil ways and prevent the total annihilation of quality. not that i'm really hopeful that any of you will, but it's really not too late. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps get a rebuild kit for the old caliper from Rusty - now that you've bought some time. It might be better than the one you bought. It's not that hard to rebuild one. There's a 50 core refund I'd give up. Plus the cost of the kit. Not worth it. They were rebuilds too. Only lasted 2 years. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090911/f4064842/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C clamp... they are definitely fully retracted. Allan -- 1983 300D On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:19 -0400, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers. Stuck a large screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper. After that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8 breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a crescent wrench. It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get the pad in. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did you bevel the edge a bit to get them started in there? Just with a file or coarse sandpaper. --R Allan Streib wrote: Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C clamp... they are definitely fully retracted. Allan -- 1983 300D On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:19 -0400, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers. Stuck a large screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper. After that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8 breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a crescent wrench. It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get the pad in. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090910/58f5bdbc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On the earlier question about right pad vs. left, each box of front pads has one for the right side of the rotor and one for the left side, but these should be interchangeable between left side of car and right side. Take a second look at all the dimensions like rotor thickness, pad thickness, differences between left and right side of car, piston retraction into the caliper (are both calipers the same brand?), the shims on the back of the pad. Sing as you work One of these brakes is not like the others, one of these brakes just doesn't belong... Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C clamp... they are definitely fully retracted. Allan -- 1983 300D On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:19 -0400, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers. Stuck a large screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper. After that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8 breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a crescent wrench. It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get the pad in. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
The Akebono pads are beveled out of the box... Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:08 -0400, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did you bevel the edge a bit to get them started in there? Just with a file or coarse sandpaper. --R Allan Streib wrote: Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C clamp... they are definitely fully retracted. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
For the rear pads, they were shrink-wrapped as two pairs of pads. The fronts were four pads loose in the box. I've had a look at the pads and don't see any distinguishing marks like direction arrows, L vs. R markings, etc. I will measure the rotors; however both are new and appeared to be identical out of the box. Calipers are likewise both new (rebuilt) but appear to be identical at a glance. Allan On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:15 -0400, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: On the earlier question about right pad vs. left, each box of front pads has one for the right side of the rotor and one for the left side, but these should be interchangeable between left side of car and right side. Take a second look at all the dimensions like rotor thickness, pad thickness, differences between left and right side of car, piston retraction into the caliper (are both calipers the same brand?), the shims on the back of the pad. Sing as you work One of these brakes is not like the others, one of these brakes just doesn't belong... Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C clamp... they are definitely fully retracted. Allan -- 1983 300D On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:19 -0400, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers. Stuck a large screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper. After that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8 breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a crescent wrench. It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get the pad in. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hmmm, I am thinking that if you bevel them more, then they will fit! I had to do that on some pads I put on some vehicle, can't remember which, but that gave them enough bite to then be shoved on in. The Akebono pads must be a bit higher quality. --R Allan Streib wrote: The Akebono pads are beveled out of the box... Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:08 -0400, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did you bevel the edge a bit to get them started in there? Just with a file or coarse sandpaper. --R Allan Streib wrote: Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C clamp... they are definitely fully retracted. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090910/086e883a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:28 -0400, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Hmmm, I am thinking that if you bevel them more, then they will fit! I had to do that on some pads I put on some vehicle, can't remember which, but that gave them enough bite to then be shoved on in. The Akebono pads must be a bit higher quality. They supposedly are; they certainly are more expensive. That's why I really don't want to grind them down if I don't have to. But if I ground about 1/32 or less off each side they'd probably fit. It's close, but even tapping with a hammer I can't get them to slide on; I just start gouging the pads on the rotor edge. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Can you swap pads from the other caliper to see if they fit into the problem caliper? Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare For the rear pads, they were shrink-wrapped as two pairs of pads. The fronts were four pads loose in the box. I've had a look at the pads and don't see any distinguishing marks like direction arrows, L vs. R markings, etc. I will measure the rotors; however both are new and appeared to be identical out of the box. Calipers are likewise both new (rebuilt) but appear to be identical at a glance. Allan On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:15 -0400, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: On the earlier question about right pad vs. left, each box of front pads has one for the right side of the rotor and one for the left side, but these should be interchangeable between left side of car and right side. Take a second look at all the dimensions like rotor thickness, pad thickness, differences between left and right side of car, piston retraction into the caliper (are both calipers the same brand?), the shims on the back of the pad. Sing as you work One of these brakes is not like the others, one of these brakes just doesn't belong... Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C clamp... they are definitely fully retracted. Allan -- 1983 300D On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:19 -0400, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers. Stuck a large screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper. After that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8 breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a crescent wrench. It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get the pad in. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Do the rotors have a lip on them from wear? I didn't believe that high strength metal would flow except when heated with a torch until a front stub axle on the '83 300D that had overheated obviously flowed enough to prevent a new bearing race being installed. (The problem was solved by using a Chinese bearing race that was a looser fit.) If there is a lip that makes the disc thicker than normal, that could be the problem although it's probably a far-fetched possibility. One thing you might do is mike the new pads, take the micrometer to Autozone and mike their cheapest set. If the cheap set is significantly thinner, you might try installing them until you have more time to solve the problem. Gerry --- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Had the pads out again and was on the pistons with a pry bar and a C clamp... they are definitely fully retracted. Allan 1983 300D arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers. Stuck a large screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper. After that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8 breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a crescent wrench. It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get the pad in. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well the rotors and pads measured identical. So must be the caliper. I ground the pads a bit and got the whole assembly to slide over the rotor. It's still dragging -- much tighter than the passenger side. Once I get the system bled and a few start-stops I'll see how much it still drags. I think it's the inside pad that's too close. What a pain in the a** Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Perhaps get a rebuild kit for the old caliper from Rusty - now that you've bought some time. It might be better than the one you bought. It's not that hard to rebuild one. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Well the rotors and pads measured identical. So must be the caliper. I ground the pads a bit and got the whole assembly to slide over the rotor. It's still dragging -- much tighter than the passenger side. Once I get the system bled and a few start-stops I'll see how much it still drags. I think it's the inside pad that's too close. What a pain in the a** Allan -- -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090910/d16cc303/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps get a rebuild kit for the old caliper from Rusty - now that you've bought some time. It might be better than the one you bought. It's not that hard to rebuild one. There's a 50 core refund I'd give up. Plus the cost of the kit. Not worth it. They were rebuilds too. Only lasted 2 years. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just got to wondering, are there inside and outside pads? I did not pay any attention to which two pads I grabbed for the right side, could it be that they are different thicknesses? Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes: regreased and back together with new rotor. Trying to install the new caliper and pads, they will not slip over the rotor. Caliper pucks not fully retracted? These are rebuilts? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not that I've ever seen --- I' betting on a defect reman caliper, or a disk that's too thick. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Just got to wondering, are there inside and outside pads? I did not pay any attention to which two pads I grabbed for the right side, could it be that they are different thicknesses? -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090909/7f120b11/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: Not that I've ever seen --- I' betting on a defect reman caliper, or a disk that's too thick. Well I've got to get back on the road... guess in the morning I'll grind the pads a little. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Thought I had the same problem on 123 calipers. Stuck a large screwdriver in and levered the piston further into the caliper. After that the pad on that side was tight but it went in with a little tapping and repositioning. The other side seemed to be stuck and didn't want to move with the screwdriver so; IIRC I stuck in a 3/8 breakover handle with the end cocked 90 degrees and twisted it with a crescent wrench. It broke loose and retracted and I was able to get the pad in. Gerry . From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Not that I've ever seen --- I' betting on a defect reman caliper, or a disk that's too thick. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Just got to wondering, are there inside and outside pads? I did not pay any attention to which two pads I grabbed for the right side, could it be that they are different thicknesses? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] brake job nightmare
Well my brake replacement has turned into an all-day nightmare. First I realized I didn't get the grease and wheel bearing seals I thought I otdered. I checked the invoice and they weren't listed. Somebody messed up, not sure who.. Calling around on Labor day to see who has seals. Autozone has them. Go and get them and a tub of Mobil 1 grease. One hour + gasoline wasted. Rear calipers, pads, and rotors go on without issue. The new front rotors are coated with what looks like varnish. Brake cleaner doesn't touch it. Gasoline takes it off, slowly. Spend about an hour cleaning the rotors. As I'm torquing down the bolts that hold the rotor and hub together, my 10mm hex head socket (Craftsman) breaks. Off to Sears to get another. Another hour + more gasoline wasted. As I get back from Sears, a thunderstorm rolls in and it pours rain for about an hour (I'm working in the driveway). The right hub, bearings, new (reman) caliper and pads go back together OK. Thinking I'm nearly done, I get the left hub and bearings cleaned, regreased and back together with new rotor. Trying to install the new caliper and pads, they will not slip over the rotor. Arrrgh! Frustrated, I call it a night. Is it sometimes necessary to grind down the pads a little to get them to fit? These are the expensive Akebono pads, don't really want to grind them down if I don't have to. My other option would be to remove the noise reduction plates, I think that would give me enough clearance but not sure if it's a good idea. The right hand side did not have any problems, why would the left? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes: regreased and back together with new rotor. Trying to install the new caliper and pads, they will not slip over the rotor. Caliper pucks not fully retracted? These are rebuilts? They are rebuilts. I think they are fully retracted but that is worth checking again. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
regreased and back together with new rotor. Trying to install the new caliper and pads, they will not slip over the rotor. Caliper pucks not fully retracted? These are rebuilts? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com