Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics
Bruce, The photos you show here have been outstanding. More often than not, I wish I could be half as good as you show. I wouldn't let the Pentax Gallery influence how you feel about your work. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I did the unpardonable - I took down all 53 of my photos. I had two in the collection. I have been slowly resubmitting my shots with the new voting in place. So far, the two that were in collection have been accepted, but not in collection. 9 that were in the gallery have been rejected. Most of those rejections have come on the peer voting - maybe 2 or 3 were rejected by the judges. In a weird sort of way, I feel better having almost all my work rejected. Before, I'm thinking that I had 53 in there and now everything is rejected. Now, I can just think that almost everything of mine is rejected, so at least it is consistent. I still haven't quite figured out the voting yet - it appears that if there is a huge wow factor, it might make it, but anything else, is very iffy. In some respects, this seems to be following a larger trend. One in which art is transcending photography. Try looking at all the photos on photo.net galleries based on popularity. Almost all the shots are s dramatic that they just don't hardly look like our planet - even people shots have heavy doctoring of lighting. Extreme skies and wild, saturated colors are the norm these days - even though where I live, I see that kind of thing maybe once every few years. I seem to be rambling...must be one of those days. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, February 29, 2008, 10:50:35 AM, you wrote: JD 'prox 4000 images divided by 1900 photogs = 2 images ea. JD '680= 6 (seems more JD logical). JD If there are some 4000 voters, the yes/no vote should be considered on JD the basis of the ratio and not the count, as was initially stated. JD May help explain the high reject level. JD Jack JD --- AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of observations: Bunnell writes: 1900 photographers. Photographers list in gallery counts 680. Which means there are more than 1200 *unpublished* photographers casting votes. Interesting. Bunnell writes: max submitted photos from one photographer: 133 No photographer in the gallery have that many published. Some guy has at least 70 photos in the voting queue, and I'm dead certain it's not me... (yeah, I've got one of those days again... too much time and too little to do...) Jostein 2008/2/28, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just noticed that Ned Bunnell has posted some statistics (pdf files) about the gallery on his Blog. http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2008/02/pentax-photo-gallery.html One file shows a break down of contributors by Country. Not surprisingly, the USA is well out in front but Oz contributors are doing well and bringing up third place. The other file lists the most popular lenses used. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ JD -- Get a free email account with anti spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. JD JD JD Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. JD http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics
Thanks for your thoughts. It's not so much that I think my work is crap as that I had so many accepted to the gallery and then pretty much nothing after that. Just a huge disconnect between what was acceptable and what is now acceptable. I do think the bar has been raised partly because of the number of submissions, but I also tend to think that the voting masses have different tastes than the judges and therefore some images are being rejected that might have been accepted by the final judges. So at this point, my gallery (what little there is) is at least consistent with the current bar. I still see a few photos get accepted that rather surprise me - almost like the bar was lowered quite a bit for just a picture or two. Anyway, thanks for your 2 cents. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, February 29, 2008, 1:31:16 PM, you wrote: BS Bruce, BS The photos you show here have been outstanding. BS More often than not, I wish I could be half as good as you show. BS I wouldn't let the Pentax Gallery influence how you feel about your work. BS Regards, Bob S. BS On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Bruce Dayton BS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I did the unpardonable - I took down all 53 of my photos. I had two in the collection. I have been slowly resubmitting my shots with the new voting in place. So far, the two that were in collection have been accepted, but not in collection. 9 that were in the gallery have been rejected. Most of those rejections have come on the peer voting - maybe 2 or 3 were rejected by the judges. In a weird sort of way, I feel better having almost all my work rejected. Before, I'm thinking that I had 53 in there and now everything is rejected. Now, I can just think that almost everything of mine is rejected, so at least it is consistent. I still haven't quite figured out the voting yet - it appears that if there is a huge wow factor, it might make it, but anything else, is very iffy. In some respects, this seems to be following a larger trend. One in which art is transcending photography. Try looking at all the photos on photo.net galleries based on popularity. Almost all the shots are s dramatic that they just don't hardly look like our planet - even people shots have heavy doctoring of lighting. Extreme skies and wild, saturated colors are the norm these days - even though where I live, I see that kind of thing maybe once every few years. I seem to be rambling...must be one of those days. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, February 29, 2008, 10:50:35 AM, you wrote: JD 'prox 4000 images divided by 1900 photogs = 2 images ea. JD '680= 6 (seems more JD logical). JD If there are some 4000 voters, the yes/no vote should be considered on JD the basis of the ratio and not the count, as was initially stated. JD May help explain the high reject level. JD Jack JD --- AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of observations: Bunnell writes: 1900 photographers. Photographers list in gallery counts 680. Which means there are more than 1200 *unpublished* photographers casting votes. Interesting. Bunnell writes: max submitted photos from one photographer: 133 No photographer in the gallery have that many published. Some guy has at least 70 photos in the voting queue, and I'm dead certain it's not me... (yeah, I've got one of those days again... too much time and too little to do...) Jostein 2008/2/28, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just noticed that Ned Bunnell has posted some statistics (pdf files) about the gallery on his Blog. http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2008/02/pentax-photo-gallery.html One file shows a break down of contributors by Country. Not surprisingly, the USA is well out in front but Oz contributors are doing well and bringing up third place. The other file lists the most popular lenses used. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ JD -- Get a free email account with anti spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. JD JD JD Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. JD http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics
Nobody seems to have picked up on: Lens Series Name Lens Name Count unknown unknown610 Early on, Some of the lenses I used were not listed - I chose unknown to be able to submit. I thought it was supposed to be all Pentax? Their submission rules only state the image must be shot with a Pentax SLR. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/02/29 Fri PM 03:57:21 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics Most amazing to me is that there 10 artists from Israel. I may have to embark on a quest, you know... Boris Nobody seems to have picked up on: Lens Series Name Lens Name Count unknown unknown610 I thought it was supposed to be all Pentax? Brian Walters wrote: Just noticed that Ned Bunnell has posted some statistics (pdf files) about the gallery on his Blog. http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2008/02/pentax-photo-gallery.html One file shows a break down of contributors by Country. Not surprisingly, the USA is well out in front but Oz contributors are doing well and bringing up third place. The other file lists the most popular lenses used. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- Get a free email account with anti spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics
On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:14 AM, AlunFoto wrote: Bunnell writes: max submitted photos from one photographer: 133 At last count, I submitted about that number and have 24 accepteds in the gallery. All of them were submitted after the voting system was put in place. I haven't submitted any in quite a while due to the amount of time it takes to complete a submission and the awkwardness of the submission process. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics
Ken Waller wrote: Nobody seems to have picked up on: Lens Series Name Lens Name Count unknown unknown610 Early on, Some of the lenses I used were not listed - I chose unknown to be able to submit. I thought it was supposed to be all Pentax? Their submission rules only state the image must be shot with a Pentax SLR. It's interesting to look through the lens popularity list (I've converted it into Excel format to make it easy to sort in various different ways). Looking at the top 3 most popular lenses: smc DA 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 AL smc DA 16-45mm f4 ED AL smc DA 50-200mm f4-5.6 ED ...leads me to suspect that the judges are now favoring shots taken with more recent gear. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics
Bruce, In need of self validation? The comfort you will feel if the majority are accepted upon re-submission will be easily worth the risk. They certainly don't deserve the fate the eleven re-submitter images have experienced. How are you able to determine if an image is accepted/declined by peer voting vs the judges? I gather you have many more images to re-submit.(?) Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I did the unpardonable - I took down all 53 of my photos. I had two in the collection. I have been slowly resubmitting my shots with the new voting in place. So far, the two that were in collection have been accepted, but not in collection. 9 that were in the gallery have been rejected. Most of those rejections have come on the peer voting - maybe 2 or 3 were rejected by the judges. In a weird sort of way, I feel better having almost all my work rejected. Before, I'm thinking that I had 53 in there and now everything is rejected. Now, I can just think that almost everything of mine is rejected, so at least it is consistent. I still haven't quite figured out the voting yet - it appears that if there is a huge wow factor, it might make it, but anything else, is very iffy. In some respects, this seems to be following a larger trend. One in which art is transcending photography. Try looking at all the photos on photo.net galleries based on popularity. Almost all the shots are s dramatic that they just don't hardly look like our planet - even people shots have heavy doctoring of lighting. Extreme skies and wild, saturated colors are the norm these days - even though where I live, I see that kind of thing maybe once every few years. I seem to be rambling...must be one of those days. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, February 29, 2008, 10:50:35 AM, you wrote: JD 'prox 4000 images divided by 1900 photogs = 2 images ea. JD '680= 6 (seems more JD logical). JD If there are some 4000 voters, the yes/no vote should be considered on JD the basis of the ratio and not the count, as was initially stated. JD May help explain the high reject level. JD Jack JD --- AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of observations: Bunnell writes: 1900 photographers. Photographers list in gallery counts 680. Which means there are more than 1200 *unpublished* photographers casting votes. Interesting. Bunnell writes: max submitted photos from one photographer: 133 No photographer in the gallery have that many published. Some guy has at least 70 photos in the voting queue, and I'm dead certain it's not me... (yeah, I've got one of those days again... too much time and too little to do...) Jostein 2008/2/28, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just noticed that Ned Bunnell has posted some statistics (pdf files) about the gallery on his Blog. http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2008/02/pentax-photo-gallery.html One file shows a break down of contributors by Country. Not surprisingly, the USA is well out in front but Oz contributors are doing well and bringing up third place. The other file lists the most popular lenses used. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ JD -- Get a free email account with anti spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. JD JD JD Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. JD http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics
Judges favoring anything would have to assume that they look at rejects, because the peer voting bumps lots of photos out. There has been no instructions to vote based on equipment to us, so I really doubt a significant portion would be voting that way - enough to impact the vote. Certainly one could make an argument that expensive lenses are most often purchased by more accomplished photographers and therefore shots taken with those lenses may have a better acceptance rate. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, February 29, 2008, 2:59:15 PM, you wrote: MR Ken Waller wrote: Nobody seems to have picked up on: Lens Series Name Lens Name Count unknown unknown610 Early on, Some of the lenses I used were not listed - I chose unknown to be able to submit. I thought it was supposed to be all Pentax? Their submission rules only state the image must be shot with a Pentax SLR. MR It's interesting to look through the lens popularity list (I've MR converted it into Excel format to make it easy to sort in various MR different ways). MR Looking at the top 3 most popular lenses: MR smc DA 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 AL MR smc DA 16-45mm f4 ED AL MR smc DA 50-200mm f4-5.6 ED MR ...leads me to suspect that the judges are now favoring shots taken with MR more recent gear. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics
From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/02/29 Fri PM 07:39:27 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics 2008/2/29, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nobody seems to have picked up on: Lens Series Name Lens Name Count unknown unknown610 I thought it was supposed to be all Pentax? They began accepting off-brand lenses around august-september, I think. They had to have those categories anyway, for people scanning old gelatine and not having notes of which lens they had used... :-) Or using those damned silly old lenses on their spanking (sorry Bill, Cotty, Christine) new bodies. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Short Attention Spans (was Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics)
Bruce, This larger trend is also reflected in the U.S. wine industry. The Robert Parker scale is really to blame. Parker tastes zillions of wines each year, so each wine has just a few seconds to make an impression. If it is subtle rather than big, and not hot (high in alcohol), it doesn't get a high (90+) score. I think that photo.net has exactly the same problem. Delicate, subtle images just don't have a big immediate impact, so they get overlooked. Probably comes with the short attention span endemic to American culture these days, too --Mark Bruce Dayton wrote: [cut, snip] In some respects, this seems to be following a larger trend. One in which art is transcending photography. Try looking at all the photos on photo.net galleries based on popularity. Almost all the shots are s dramatic that they just don't hardly look like our planet - even people shots have heavy doctoring of lighting. Extreme skies and wild, saturated colors are the norm these days - even though where I live, I see that kind of thing maybe once every few years. I seem to be rambling...must be one of those days. -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Short Attention Spans (was Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics)
I agree...and its not really confined to photos, wine or the American culture either. I'm going through a book by Richard Lanham (Economics of Attention, Univ of Chicago Press) where in the IT age, the commodity is not information (we have too much of it) but attention. So whether in the media, politics or religion, truth may ultimately be defined by those who can get or control people's attention... ...and the new priesthood is Google (if it is not yet the god of this age)... On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, This larger trend is also reflected in the U.S. wine industry. The Robert Parker scale is really to blame. Parker tastes zillions of wines each year, so each wine has just a few seconds to make an impression. If it is subtle rather than big, and not hot (high in alcohol), it doesn't get a high (90+) score. I think that photo.net has exactly the same problem. Delicate, subtle images just don't have a big immediate impact, so they get overlooked. Probably comes with the short attention span endemic to American culture these days, too --Mark Bruce Dayton wrote: [cut, snip] In some respects, this seems to be following a larger trend. One in which art is transcending photography. Try looking at all the photos on photo.net galleries based on popularity. Almost all the shots are s dramatic that they just don't hardly look like our planet - even people shots have heavy doctoring of lighting. Extreme skies and wild, saturated colors are the norm these days - even though where I live, I see that kind of thing maybe once every few years. I seem to be rambling...must be one of those days. -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Short Attention Spans (was Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics)
An excellent observation on the part of Mr. Lanham. That's the culture of advertising. Grab them and don't let go. It's my stock in trade. Paul (University of Chicago, MA '73) On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:54 PM, Bong Manayon wrote: I agree...and its not really confined to photos, wine or the American culture either. I'm going through a book by Richard Lanham (Economics of Attention, Univ of Chicago Press) where in the IT age, the commodity is not information (we have too much of it) but attention. So whether in the media, politics or religion, truth may ultimately be defined by those who can get or control people's attention... ...and the new priesthood is Google (if it is not yet the god of this age)... On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, This larger trend is also reflected in the U.S. wine industry. The Robert Parker scale is really to blame. Parker tastes zillions of wines each year, so each wine has just a few seconds to make an impression. If it is subtle rather than big, and not hot (high in alcohol), it doesn't get a high (90+) score. I think that photo.net has exactly the same problem. Delicate, subtle images just don't have a big immediate impact, so they get overlooked. Probably comes with the short attention span endemic to American culture these days, too --Mark Bruce Dayton wrote: [cut, snip] In some respects, this seems to be following a larger trend. One in which art is transcending photography. Try looking at all the photos on photo.net galleries based on popularity. Almost all the shots are s dramatic that they just don't hardly look like our planet - even people shots have heavy doctoring of lighting. Extreme skies and wild, saturated colors are the norm these days - even though where I live, I see that kind of thing maybe once every few years. I seem to be rambling...must be one of those days. -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Short Attention Spans (was Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics)
Mark you're so full of... ...err...ah...sorry, what were we talking about? Dave On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, This larger trend is also reflected in the U.S. wine industry. The Robert Parker scale is really to blame. Parker tastes zillions of wines each year, so each wine has just a few seconds to make an impression. If it is subtle rather than big, and not hot (high in alcohol), it doesn't get a high (90+) score. I think that photo.net has exactly the same problem. Delicate, subtle images just don't have a big immediate impact, so they get overlooked. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Advertising (was Re: Short Attention Spans (was Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Statistics))
Interesting discussion this afternoon on NPR about the Striesand effect. Striesand filed a lawsuit objecting to a web-publication of an image of her house. Nobody had seen or paid attention to the image, but once the lawsuit was know, millions went to the site to see the image. Many other examples. Including the guy who was trying to sell an alcohol inhaler, getting no attention until he had a lawmaker file a bill to outlaw his device, at which point his sales started to go way up. To grab attention, titillate, make it forbidden fruit. Back in the 70's there was some research involving college students. They showed up for an experiment, were left in a waiting room with some file folders jumbled on the table. Most students leafed through the pages in the file folders. For some students, one of the folders was marked confidential but the contents were identical. Subsequent testing showed that they were far more likely to read and remember the information that was confidential. stan On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:15 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: An excellent observation on the part of Mr. Lanham. That's the culture of advertising. Grab them and don't let go. It's my stock in trade. Paul (University of Chicago, MA '73) On Feb 29, 2008, at 10:54 PM, Bong Manayon wrote: I agree...and its not really confined to photos, wine or the American culture either. I'm going through a book by Richard Lanham (Economics of Attention, Univ of Chicago Press) where in the IT age, the commodity is not information (we have too much of it) but attention. So whether in the media, politics or religion, truth may ultimately be defined by those who can get or control people's attention... ...and the new priesthood is Google (if it is not yet the god of this age)... On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, This larger trend is also reflected in the U.S. wine industry. The Robert Parker scale is really to blame. Parker tastes zillions of wines each year, so each wine has just a few seconds to make an impression. If it is subtle rather than big, and not hot (high in alcohol), it doesn't get a high (90+) score. I think that photo.net has exactly the same problem. Delicate, subtle images just don't have a big immediate impact, so they get overlooked. Probably comes with the short attention span endemic to American culture these days, too --Mark Bruce Dayton wrote: [cut, snip] In some respects, this seems to be following a larger trend. One in which art is transcending photography. Try looking at all the photos on photo.net galleries based on popularity. Almost all the shots are s dramatic that they just don't hardly look like our planet - even people shots have heavy doctoring of lighting. Extreme skies and wild, saturated colors are the norm these days - even though where I live, I see that kind of thing maybe once every few years. I seem to be rambling...must be one of those days. -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hello Jack, The method of determination of peer rejection vs. judges is based on speed of rejection. For the past couple of months, the judges have been taking 1-3 weeks to reject. Peer rejections are mostly within a few days. So if something has sat there for a long time (more than a week) and eventually gets rejected, that is most likely a judge. It is also easier to tell if there are several submissions. So an example would be that 10 are submitted. 7 of the are rejected within two days. The remaining 3 sit there for 3 weeks and then are all rejected at once. This would indicate that the 7 were peer rejections and the 3 were judge rejections. Makes sense, no? -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, February 29, 2008, 3:25:00 PM, you wrote: JD Bruce, JD In need of self validation? The comfort you will feel if the majority JD are accepted upon re-submission will be easily worth the risk. They JD certainly don't deserve the fate the eleven re-submitter images have JD experienced. JD How are you able to determine if an image is accepted/declined by peer JD voting vs the judges? JD I gather you have many more images to re-submit.(?) JD Jack JD --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I did the unpardonable - I took down all 53 of my photos. I had two in the collection. I have been slowly resubmitting my shots with the new voting in place. So far, the two that were in collection have been accepted, but not in collection. 9 that were in the gallery have been rejected. Most of those rejections have come on the peer voting - maybe 2 or 3 were rejected by the judges. In a weird sort of way, I feel better having almost all my work rejected. Before, I'm thinking that I had 53 in there and now everything is rejected. Now, I can just think that almost everything of mine is rejected, so at least it is consistent. I still haven't quite figured out the voting yet - it appears that if there is a huge wow factor, it might make it, but anything else, is very iffy. In some respects, this seems to be following a larger trend. One in which art is transcending photography. Try looking at all the photos on photo.net galleries based on popularity. Almost all the shots are s dramatic that they just don't hardly look like our planet - even people shots have heavy doctoring of lighting. Extreme skies and wild, saturated colors are the norm these days - even though where I live, I see that kind of thing maybe once every few years. I seem to be rambling...must be one of those days. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, February 29, 2008, 10:50:35 AM, you wrote: JD 'prox 4000 images divided by 1900 photogs = 2 images ea. JD '680= 6 (seems more JD logical). JD If there are some 4000 voters, the yes/no vote should be considered on JD the basis of the ratio and not the count, as was initially stated. JD May help explain the high reject level. JD Jack JD --- AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of observations: Bunnell writes: 1900 photographers. Photographers list in gallery counts 680. Which means there are more than 1200 *unpublished* photographers casting votes. Interesting. Bunnell writes: max submitted photos from one photographer: 133 No photographer in the gallery have that many published. Some guy has at least 70 photos in the voting queue, and I'm dead certain it's not me... (yeah, I've got one of those days again... too much time and too little to do...) Jostein 2008/2/28, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just noticed that Ned Bunnell has posted some statistics (pdf files) about the gallery on his Blog. http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2008/02/pentax-photo-gallery.html One file shows a break down of contributors by Country. Not surprisingly, the USA is well out in front but Oz contributors are doing well and bringing up third place. The other file lists the most popular lenses used. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ JD JD -- Get a free email account with anti spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. JD JD JD JD Never miss a
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Hmm, very interesting, thanks for sharing :) rg2 On 2/28/08, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just noticed that Ned Bunnell has posted some statistics (pdf files) about the gallery on his Blog. http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2008/02/pentax-photo-gallery.html One file shows a break down of contributors by Country. Not surprisingly, the USA is well out in front but Oz contributors are doing well and bringing up third place. The other file lists the most popular lenses used. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- Get a free email account with anti spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I haven't voted for my portion for at least two weeks... I wonder if I ever am going to see the light at the end of the tunnel ;-) Jostein, I think you're a bit too preoccupied with numbers and stats... Boris AlunFoto wrote: Conclusion: The minimum estimate of throughput must be about a thousand photos per fortnight. No wonder Pentax couldn't cope with the volume of submissions... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 11, 2007 1:09 PM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jostein, I think you're a bit too preoccupied with numbers and stats... 5% of about 20-30 of us are, which leaves 79% or 100-200 of us to , oh you know..:-) Dave Boris AlunFoto wrote: Conclusion: The minimum estimate of throughput must be about a thousand photos per fortnight. No wonder Pentax couldn't cope with the volume of submissions... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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71 votes every day! Thats what I would call Noblesse oblige. What's the average of your 71 votes in thumbs up and down? On Dec 10, 2007 9:47 AM, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the last fifteen days, I've kept track of my voting in the Gallery. The rules were simple; log on once a day and vote until the queue is empty. On average, I cast 71 votes per day. Then to the fun bit... :-) Assumptions: - A photo needs at least 40 votes before being presented to the Pentax jury. - The Pentax jury make decisions roughly once every fortnight (two weeks). Question for speculation: How many photos are going through the voting procedure in two weeks? Speculation: If exactly 40 photographers are doing the voting, it means that each of them get to see all the submitted photos. Then, the throughput must be 71 x 14 = 994 photos per fortnight. If 80 photographers are doing the voting, it means that they only get to see 50% of the photos. Then, the throughput must be 71 x 14 x 2 = 1988 photos per fortnight. Conclusion: The minimum estimate of throughput must be about a thousand photos per fortnight. No wonder Pentax couldn't cope with the volume of submissions... Best, Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Toine http://www.repiuk.nl -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Toine wrote: 71 votes every day! Thats what I would call Noblesse oblige. What's the average of your 71 votes in thumbs up and down? It was 71 votes _on average_ over 15 days. The highest number of votes was about 135, and the lowest about 20. For some reason, both Tuesdays had much higher numbers than the other days. I didn't make notes of yeas and nays, I'm sorry. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John, The requirements seem a bit peculiar at first, but not really very complicated. Size: Max heigth is 600 pixels. It is a good idea to use 600 pixels to get the most out of the presentation interface. Due to limitations in the same interface (which is Flash-based), they don't want panoramic images. anything between 3:2 and 3:2 aspect ratio looks best... :-) EXIF: When uploading, the server checks the EXIF for presence of the value PENTAX CORPORATION in the camera mfg. tag. If there is EXIF information and this tag is unpopulated or contains a different value, the photo is declined. The server is very picky. It will not accept eg. Pentax. This can be an issue with some raw file converters. I have experienced it with older versions of PhaseOne's C1 (v3.4 and older, I think), and all versions of LightZone. Adobe Camera Raw plug-in for Photoshop seem to work in all versions. If you experience rejects based on EXIF, your only option is to resave the file without any EXIF tags at all (PS: save for web) and upload that. Just ticking the this is a scanned image will not work if there are any camera make specific EXIF tags in the file. Watermarks, borders, visible signatures etc. Don't use them. You may also consult the guidelines for the finer points, but I think that about covers it. Oh, and you CAN upload pictures taken with other-brand lenses as long as the SLR is Pentax. Cottyesque variants, however, are not allowed. Jostein 2007/11/20, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Only slightly related to the topic: When submitting photos, do the images have to have EXIF data or anything else like that included? Also, do they have size requirements (pixels, not megabytes)? John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bruce Dayton has more than 30 as well. -- Original message -- From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, I'll share what I've found out. Data as of a couple of days ago. Number of published photographers: 500 (exactly!) Total no. of pictures: 3377 Average no. of pics per photographer: 6.75 To the statistically minded, it might also be interesting to know that the median is 3. There are 89 photographers with more than 10 images. Those 89 people contribute 62 % of the total number of pictures. 139 photographers have 1 pic each. 23 have more than 30. The latter group contains prominent PDML'ers like Mark Roberts, Mark Cassino, Ken Waller and Paul Stenquist. Okay, that's it for the number crunching. Then to the claim of 40 votes per image. Below is a quoted mail from Cathy Tarter at Pentax. It says currently 40 or more. Jack Davis and I have discussed this off-list before, and I got the impression that his info referred to the number of nays needed to produce a reject. His number was 20 votes. Sometimes there are very fast rejects, usually after around 4-5 days. I therefore believe that there is a threshold number of nays that trigger an automatic reject, and that this number is precisely 20 based on Jack's info. Another observation is that if my photos stays in the awaiting review pool for more than a week, they seem to have significantly more than 50% likelihood of acceptance. So who exactly do the voting? Just can't help my curiosity. :-) Jostein - Original Message - From: photogallery___PAIC_MKT To: =[My email removed] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: RE: PENTAX Photogallery Contact Us Form Hello Jostein, We are using the voting process to help limit the number of images we have to review. As for a timeframe, it's difficult to say. Pentax looks to the artists to vote on images - we take this tallied vote (currently 40 or more votes per image) into consideration when we accept or decline an image: [screendump of voting criteria skipped] Cathy Tarter Pentax Imaging Company 600 12th Street, Suite 300 Golden, CO 80401 -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jostein, you don't consider me a prominent PDML'er? (I have 33..big deal) ;-)) I've lost track of the criteria numbers I professed in the past. I may have to bother some Pentax type and ask.(?) I do vote and feel a smidgen guilty if I don't support the effort. Once I start voting, I generally continue to do so 'til there are no more..for the moment. I may have mentioned this before, but awhile back I had an image declined in about 48 hours. I asked Carolyn (Incidentally, I noticed recently that she had one image in the gallery and may have added to it by now). Thanks for taking the time to scope out and post the gallery count activity. Jack --- AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I'll share what I've found out. Data as of a couple of days ago. Number of published photographers: 500 (exactly!) Total no. of pictures: 3377 Average no. of pics per photographer: 6.75 To the statistically minded, it might also be interesting to know that the median is 3. There are 89 photographers with more than 10 images. Those 89 people contribute 62 % of the total number of pictures. 139 photographers have 1 pic each. 23 have more than 30. The latter group contains prominent PDML'ers like Mark Roberts, Mark Cassino, Ken Waller and Paul Stenquist. Okay, that's it for the number crunching. Then to the claim of 40 votes per image. Below is a quoted mail from Cathy Tarter at Pentax. It says currently 40 or more. Jack Davis and I have discussed this off-list before, and I got the impression that his info referred to the number of nays needed to produce a reject. His number was 20 votes. Sometimes there are very fast rejects, usually after around 4-5 days. I therefore believe that there is a threshold number of nays that trigger an automatic reject, and that this number is precisely 20 based on Jack's info. Another observation is that if my photos stays in the awaiting review pool for more than a week, they seem to have significantly more than 50% likelihood of acceptance. So who exactly do the voting? Just can't help my curiosity. :-) Jostein - Original Message - From: photogallery___PAIC_MKT To: =[My email removed] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: RE: PENTAX Photogallery Contact Us Form Hello Jostein, We are using the voting process to help limit the number of images we have to review. As for a timeframe, it's difficult to say. Pentax looks to the artists to vote on images - we take this tallied vote (currently 40 or more votes per image) into consideration when we accept or decline an image: [screendump of voting criteria skipped] Cathy Tarter Pentax Imaging Company 600 12th Street, Suite 300 Golden, CO 80401 -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jack Davis wrote: Once I start voting, I generally continue to do so 'til there are no more..for the moment. I vote until the web-app that they use for the voting pukes and dies. My record is 5 batches, I think. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And so has Dario and Bong, and probably others too. I just mentioned the first names that dropped into my head. :-) Jostein 2007/11/19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bruce Dayton has more than 30 as well. -- Original message -- From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, I'll share what I've found out. Data as of a couple of days ago. Number of published photographers: 500 (exactly!) Total no. of pictures: 3377 Average no. of pics per photographer: 6.75 To the statistically minded, it might also be interesting to know that the median is 3. There are 89 photographers with more than 10 images. Those 89 people contribute 62 % of the total number of pictures. 139 photographers have 1 pic each. 23 have more than 30. The latter group contains prominent PDML'ers like Mark Roberts, Mark Cassino, Ken Waller and Paul Stenquist. Okay, that's it for the number crunching. Then to the claim of 40 votes per image. Below is a quoted mail from Cathy Tarter at Pentax. It says currently 40 or more. Jack Davis and I have discussed this off-list before, and I got the impression that his info referred to the number of nays needed to produce a reject. His number was 20 votes. Sometimes there are very fast rejects, usually after around 4-5 days. I therefore believe that there is a threshold number of nays that trigger an automatic reject, and that this number is precisely 20 based on Jack's info. Another observation is that if my photos stays in the awaiting review pool for more than a week, they seem to have significantly more than 50% likelihood of acceptance. So who exactly do the voting? Just can't help my curiosity. :-) Jostein - Original Message - From: photogallery___PAIC_MKT To: =[My email removed] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: RE: PENTAX Photogallery Contact Us Form Hello Jostein, We are using the voting process to help limit the number of images we have to review. As for a timeframe, it's difficult to say. Pentax looks to the artists to vote on images - we take this tallied vote (currently 40 or more votes per image) into consideration when we accept or decline an image: [screendump of voting criteria skipped] Cathy Tarter Pentax Imaging Company 600 12th Street, Suite 300 Golden, CO 80401 -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto wrote: And so has Dario and Bong, and probably others too. Yes, and they both have some awesome shots. Plus, Bong Manayon has the coolest name of anyone on the PDML :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto wrote: And so has Dario and Bong, and probably others too. I just mentioned the first names that dropped into my head. :-) Jostein Yes, but Dario is not so prominent ;-) Dario 30+ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: AlunFoto wrote: And so has Dario and Bong, and probably others too. Yes, and they both have some awesome shots. Plus, Bong Manayon has the coolest name of anyone on the PDML :) I fully agree to your second statement ;-) Dario 30+ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Every once in awhile we are all reminded that it's a vein world. This time, it was my job. ;) Jack --- AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And so has Dario and Bong, and probably others too. I just mentioned the first names that dropped into my head. :-) Jostein 2007/11/19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bruce Dayton has more than 30 as well. -- Original message -- From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, I'll share what I've found out. Data as of a couple of days ago. Number of published photographers: 500 (exactly!) Total no. of pictures: 3377 Average no. of pics per photographer: 6.75 To the statistically minded, it might also be interesting to know that the median is 3. There are 89 photographers with more than 10 images. Those 89 people contribute 62 % of the total number of pictures. 139 photographers have 1 pic each. 23 have more than 30. The latter group contains prominent PDML'ers like Mark Roberts, Mark Cassino, Ken Waller and Paul Stenquist. Okay, that's it for the number crunching. Then to the claim of 40 votes per image. Below is a quoted mail from Cathy Tarter at Pentax. It says currently 40 or more. Jack Davis and I have discussed this off-list before, and I got the impression that his info referred to the number of nays needed to produce a reject. His number was 20 votes. Sometimes there are very fast rejects, usually after around 4-5 days. I therefore believe that there is a threshold number of nays that trigger an automatic reject, and that this number is precisely 20 based on Jack's info. Another observation is that if my photos stays in the awaiting review pool for more than a week, they seem to have significantly more than 50% likelihood of acceptance. So who exactly do the voting? Just can't help my curiosity. :-) Jostein - Original Message - From: photogallery___PAIC_MKT To: =[My email removed] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: RE: PENTAX Photogallery Contact Us Form Hello Jostein, We are using the voting process to help limit the number of images we have to review. As for a timeframe, it's difficult to say. Pentax looks to the artists to vote on images - we take this tallied vote (currently 40 or more votes per image) into consideration when we accept or decline an image: [screendump of voting criteria skipped] Cathy Tarter Pentax Imaging Company 600 12th Street, Suite 300 Golden, CO 80401 -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Only slightly related to the topic: When submitting photos, do the images have to have EXIF data or anything else like that included? Also, do they have size requirements (pixels, not megabytes)? John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There's an uploading FAQ on the site. Basically, leave the EXIF data in and size them to be 600 pixels tall. G On Nov 19, 2007, at 4:33 PM, John Celio wrote: Only slightly related to the topic: When submitting photos, do the images have to have EXIF data or anything else like that included? Also, do they have size requirements (pixels, not megabytes)? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Does that have anything to do with the fact every time I google my name I get all these marijuana related websites? :-D On Nov 20, 2007 4:43 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AlunFoto wrote: And so has Dario and Bong, and probably others too. Yes, and they both have some awesome shots. Plus, Bong Manayon has the coolest name of anyone on the PDML :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 09:33 AM 20/11/2007, John Celio wrote: Only slightly related to the topic: When submitting photos, do the images have to have EXIF data or anything else like that included? Yes. Otherwise you'll have to mark it as scanned. Also, do they have size requirements (pixels, not megabytes)? 600 pixels high is the only limit. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hello John, I found out the hard way that if they have exif data, they better be from a Pentax DSLR. Basically the uploading program searches the exif data for pentax cameras (probably just the Pentax part). So the way I do it, is make sure the exif has that information - otherwise use the good old Save for Web option and strip all exif data. In that case you need to indicate that it was scanned during upload. Size requirement is 600 pixels high - width doesn't matter. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, November 19, 2007, 4:33:38 PM, you wrote: JC Only slightly related to the topic: JC When submitting photos, do the images have to have EXIF data or anything JC else like that included? Also, do they have size requirements (pixels, not JC megabytes)? JC John JC -- JC http://www.neovenator.com JC http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/16/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say what you will about how they choose their photos, but browsing the Pentax Gallery for an hour or so (while your students take a mid-term exam) is a fine way to generate some enthusiasm for photography and inspiration for your own shooting. So, you missed mine again eh.;-0 Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Say what you will about how they choose their photos, but browsing the Pentax Gallery for an hour or so (while your students take a mid-term exam) is a fine way to generate some enthusiasm for photography and inspiration for your own shooting. Quiet, you! We'd like to gripe in peace. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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oh yeah, my one photo there is SO impressive ;) no, I know what you mean, I browse through it when I'm bored and it always makes me feel very eager to run out with my camera. Some of the pictures there are downright magnificent. rg2 On 10/16/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Say what you will about how they choose their photos, but browsing the Pentax Gallery for an hour or so (while your students take a mid-term exam) is a fine way to generate some enthusiasm for photography and inspiration for your own shooting. Quiet, you! We'd like to gripe in peace. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It depends on which browser you are using, I think. Last night I had the same page up in IE v6 and FireFox 2.0 simultaneously, and the extra radiobuttons were only present in FireFox. Jostein 2007/7/12, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just got back on and found they have changed the rating system a little bit. There is no longer any radio buttons on the far right side - just up/down arrows. It also seemed to only show me new photos to rate. Went pretty well until the end. The end had only two - after clicking submit I got a screenful of text like the program dumped. Anyway, they seem to be improving it. -- Bruce Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 2:18:17 PM, you wrote: A Yup, A I got it wrong. A But I do have a couple of suggestions to improve the workflow for the A reviewing photographer, though. :-) A Jostein A 2007/7/11, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade through 50-60 images like Jack did. Did I miss something? No one is obliged to wade thru the images. You opt in if you wish. Kenneth Waller Original Message - From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site? It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details. However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was. :-) You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring up a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with is selected by random. I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade through 50-60 images like Jack did. Jostein 2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the moment. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I found the same thing. I went ahead and voted on all the photos that were presented to me. It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones were shown again allowing me to vote on them. Doesn't seem like the system is foolproof yet. -- Bruce Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote: A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was A met with the below text. A Anyone picked up news about this before? A Jostein A === Quote start = A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can A participate in the voting process. A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed A by the photographer. A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of A the image. A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. A === Quote end = -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net A -- A http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ A http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details. However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was. :-) You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring up a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with is selected by random. I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade through 50-60 images like Jack did. Jostein 2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the moment. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I found the same thing. I went ahead and voted on all the photos that were presented to me. It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones were shown again allowing me to vote on them. Doesn't seem like the system is foolproof yet. -- Bruce Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote: A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was A met with the below text. A Anyone picked up news about this before? A Jostein A === Quote start = A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can A participate in the voting process. A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed A by the photographer. A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of A the image. A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. A === Quote end = A -- A http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ A http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:23:43 -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote: Yes, I found the same thing. I went ahead and voted on all the photos that were presented to me. So did I, quite a bunch ... It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones were shown again allowing me to vote on them. Doesn't seem like the system is foolproof yet. Hmm, I got them in groups of five, the first one always the same one :-) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul Stenquist wrote: Yes, enough is enough. And if the photo.net model of peer evaluation is any indication of how well this might work. Well, it won't. Not a good idea in my estimation. From the way I read it, they seem to be asking for input from gallery contributors, but not choosing photos by that means exclusively. In other words, their judges will still have some (I'd guess, final) say. No telling for certain but if this is the case but I'd say it's a good idea: Get gallery members to separate the wheat from the chaff and then have the official judges make the final cut. They certainly need to do *something* to reduce their turnaround time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Kenneth Waller wrote: So the Pentax Photo Gallery will become a self selecting clique, Not my take on what was presented. Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the selection process Kenneth Waller I think you're reading it the same way I am, Ken: We're overloaded by the popularity of the Gallery and need help narrowing the field before our judges make the final decisions -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: Kenneth Waller wrote: So the Pentax Photo Gallery will become a self selecting clique, Not my take on what was presented. Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the selection process Kenneth Waller I think you're reading it the same way I am, Ken: We're overloaded by the popularity of the Gallery and need help narrowing the field before our judges make the final decisions Unless I'm missing something obvious, other than a brand name there is nothing to separate the critiquing abilities of Pentax users vs. those people in the deleteme flickr group. With their new peer review system the judges might not even see an HCB photo because it's too blurry, or miss out on a wonderful photograph because a few site users don't appreciate its content. I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs. I don't want my photos shot down by some other equally unqualified user who's allowed to rate a photo simply because he lucked out and shot something decent once. It's easy enough for me to not pass judgement on another's photograph. Avoiding the other half of my gripe is just as easy - I'll take my ball and go play somewhere else. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It was news to me. I haven't submitted anything or checked on the site in a couple of months. I just voted on a few, and guess what I came across, a shot taken from the car park at GFM. I wonder who's shot it was? Cheers, Dave On 7/11/07, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was met with the below text. Anyone picked up news about this before? Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 7/11/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs. I don't want my photos shot down by some other equally unqualified user who's allowed to rate a photo simply because he lucked out and shot something decent once. What makes you think the Pentax galleries judges are any more qualified than you or I? I'm not qualified to judge other peoples photos, but I gave it a go anyway. :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I appreciate that way of reading it too. Now, due to a cancelled meeting at work I got an extended lunchbreak today, and spent some time voting for photos. Think I've been through about 140-150 by now. Three things have occured to me in the process. The first was that the page is pretty slow to load. The second was that it should have been possible to go from one large pic to the next directly, without going back to thumbnails. The third was that I have already recognised some images previously submitted as PESOs or parts of GESOs to this list. I'm not at all sure if, or in what way, this will bias my judgement... Jostein 2007/7/11, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kenneth Waller wrote: So the Pentax Photo Gallery will become a self selecting clique, Not my take on what was presented. Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the selection process Kenneth Waller I think you're reading it the same way I am, Ken: We're overloaded by the popularity of the Gallery and need help narrowing the field before our judges make the final decisions -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Jostine, I think that decision is up to the individual. No reason I couldn't have ended it any time I wished, but I was curious as to what images might come up. I did recognize a couple of them from previously being seen as list PESO's. Jack --- AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details. However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was. :-) You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring up a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with is selected by random. I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade through 50-60 images like Jack did. Jostein 2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the moment. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I found the same thing. I went ahead and voted on all the photos that were presented to me. It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones were shown again allowing me to vote on them. Doesn't seem like the system is foolproof yet. -- Bruce Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote: A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was A met with the below text. A Anyone picked up news about this before? A Jostein A === Quote start = A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can A participate in the voting process. A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed A by the photographer. A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of A the image. A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. A === Quote end = A -- A http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ A http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Reads to me like that's exactly the intent. They clearly state that the final decision on those images ultimately offered to their judges, will be that of Pentax. Jack --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Yes, enough is enough. And if the photo.net model of peer evaluation is any indication of how well this might work. Well, it won't. Not a good idea in my estimation. From the way I read it, they seem to be asking for input from gallery contributors, but not choosing photos by that means exclusively. In other words, their judges will still have some (I'd guess, final) say. No telling for certain but if this is the case but I'd say it's a good idea: Get gallery members to separate the wheat from the chaff and then have the official judges make the final cut. They certainly need to do *something* to reduce their turnaround time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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David Savage wrote: It was news to me. I haven't submitted anything or checked on the site in a couple of months. I just voted on a few, and guess what I came across, a shot taken from the car park at GFM. I wonder who's shot it was? Not mine. I've only sent them one GFM Car Park shot and that was accepted months ago. I do have one GFM shot in the queue, but it's a shot from Watauga View, which is three miles out on the trail - about as far out as you can get before you start getting closer to roads instead of farther away! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Scott Loveless wrote: Unless I'm missing something obvious, other than a brand name there is nothing to separate the critiquing abilities of Pentax users vs. those people in the deleteme flickr group. With their new peer review system the judges might not even see an HCB photo because it's too blurry, or miss out on a wonderful photograph because a few site users don't appreciate its content. That's true, but you're making an awful lot of assumptions on how the system works. For all we know, they may be using the member votes as simply an advisory and allowing the official judges to still pick anything they like. That's certainly how I'd do it - for exactly the reasons you note, but we simply don't know. I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs. I definitely disagree with you on that one ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Doug Franklin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] if the photo.net model of peer evaluation is any indication of how well this might work. Well, it won't. Not a good idea in my estimation. The Average Idiot got that name for a reason. Boy, am I glad I didn't put any effort into that... smugmug has a very annoying feature of thumbs up and thumbs down for comments that if you switch it on you get into the most popular page - I deliberately turned that off... for one thing, there is a bar that comes out with the thumbs on it in front of the image you are viewing.. for another, most of the heavy hits on the most popular page seem to be photos of the photographers friends and family being looked at over and over by them and while there are occasionally excellent photos there, I really think it is a bit tacky. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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David Savage wrote: On 7/11/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs. I don't want my photos shot down by some other equally unqualified user who's allowed to rate a photo simply because he lucked out and shot something decent once. What makes you think the Pentax galleries judges are any more qualified than you or I? That's a good question. Assuming that the official judges are employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to operate the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that meet Pentax's criteria. One could also assume that Pentax is interested in displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax camera. Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their job per Pentax's instructions - employment. I have no idea what qualifies the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in photography. Lots of assumptions, huh? I don't think they're too far fetched, though. I'm not qualified to judge other peoples photos, but I gave it a go anyway. :-) Cheers, Dave -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: Unless I'm missing something obvious, other than a brand name there is nothing to separate the critiquing abilities of Pentax users vs. those people in the deleteme flickr group. With their new peer review system the judges might not even see an HCB photo because it's too blurry, or miss out on a wonderful photograph because a few site users don't appreciate its content. That's true, but you're making an awful lot of assumptions on how the system works. For all we know, they may be using the member votes as simply an advisory and allowing the official judges to still pick anything they like. That's certainly how I'd do it - for exactly the reasons you note, but we simply don't know. You could be right, and I hope you are. But I really think they're using the voting system to weed out the bad photos so the judges only have to look at the good ones. There is probably nothing to prevent them from looking at the pictures that were voted down. How does one decide which bad photos to look at? And if they're going to look at them at all, what's the point of having the users vote? It certainly won't save them much time. From the FAQ: *How does my vote influence what images appear on the Photo Gallery?* Your vote determines what images are presented to the selection committee. The Photo Gallery artist community makes sure the best images are presented for acceptance. *What happens to my votes?* Your votes are used to sort the images so that the best are presented to the acceptance committee. PENTAX makes the final determination of which images will appear in the Gallery. Sounds to me that once our peers vote down a photo it's most likely gone and forgotten. I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs. I definitely disagree with you on that one ;-) Next time you show us an unbelievably good print at GFM I'm going to say it's crap. g -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Scott Loveless wrote: Assuming that the official judges are employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to operate the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that meet Pentax's criteria. One could also assume that Pentax is interested in displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax camera. Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their job per Pentax's instructions - employment. I have no idea what qualifies the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in photography. Lots of assumptions, huh? I don't think they're too far fetched, though. From the feedback we've received from people at the Gallery, I'm pretty sure the official judges do have a good background in photography. The rate at which submitted images have been getting approved (or not!) has been getting slower and slower (I'd almost given up on submitting because of it). They're clearly unable to keep pace. Since there is no fee for participating in the Gallery, it's safe to assume they don't have the budget to simply hire more staff. It seems to me they've found a very reasonable way to deal with the situation: Leave final say with the official Judges but give the Gallery members an initial say in what makes the cut. It may not be perfect, but it seems like an excellent compromise given the constraints they're under. I just did some browsing through the Gallery and was pretty much knocked out by the quality of photographs on display. I have no problem at all with my work being judged by the people who produced such work (especially as they're just providing a first-level filter for the official judges). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Me too! Jack --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: Assuming that the official judges are employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to operate the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that meet Pentax's criteria. One could also assume that Pentax is interested in displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax camera. Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their job per Pentax's instructions - employment. I have no idea what qualifies the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in photography. Lots of assumptions, huh? I don't think they're too far fetched, though. From the feedback we've received from people at the Gallery, I'm pretty sure the official judges do have a good background in photography. The rate at which submitted images have been getting approved (or not!) has been getting slower and slower (I'd almost given up on submitting because of it). They're clearly unable to keep pace. Since there is no fee for participating in the Gallery, it's safe to assume they don't have the budget to simply hire more staff. It seems to me they've found a very reasonable way to deal with the situation: Leave final say with the official Judges but give the Gallery members an initial say in what makes the cut. It may not be perfect, but it seems like an excellent compromise given the constraints they're under. I just did some browsing through the Gallery and was pretty much knocked out by the quality of photographs on display. I have no problem at all with my work being judged by the people who produced such work (especially as they're just providing a first-level filter for the official judges). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Well said, Mark. I kinda regret the title I put on this thread. Jostein 2007/7/11, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Scott Loveless wrote: Assuming that the official judges are employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to operate the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that meet Pentax's criteria. One could also assume that Pentax is interested in displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax camera. Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their job per Pentax's instructions - employment. I have no idea what qualifies the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in photography. Lots of assumptions, huh? I don't think they're too far fetched, though. From the feedback we've received from people at the Gallery, I'm pretty sure the official judges do have a good background in photography. The rate at which submitted images have been getting approved (or not!) has been getting slower and slower (I'd almost given up on submitting because of it). They're clearly unable to keep pace. Since there is no fee for participating in the Gallery, it's safe to assume they don't have the budget to simply hire more staff. It seems to me they've found a very reasonable way to deal with the situation: Leave final say with the official Judges but give the Gallery members an initial say in what makes the cut. It may not be perfect, but it seems like an excellent compromise given the constraints they're under. I just did some browsing through the Gallery and was pretty much knocked out by the quality of photographs on display. I have no problem at all with my work being judged by the people who produced such work (especially as they're just providing a first-level filter for the official judges). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade through 50-60 images like Jack did. Did I miss something? No one is obliged to wade thru the images. You opt in if you wish. Kenneth Waller Original Message - From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site? It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details. However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was. :-) You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring up a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with is selected by random. I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade through 50-60 images like Jack did. Jostein 2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the moment. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I found the same thing. I went ahead and voted on all the photos that were presented to me. It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones were shown again allowing me to vote on them. Doesn't seem like the system is foolproof yet. -- Bruce Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote: A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was A met with the below text. A Anyone picked up news about this before? A Jostein A === Quote start = A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can A participate in the voting process. A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed A by the photographer. A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of A the image. A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. A === Quote end = -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yup, I got it wrong. But I do have a couple of suggestions to improve the workflow for the reviewing photographer, though. :-) Jostein 2007/7/11, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade through 50-60 images like Jack did. Did I miss something? No one is obliged to wade thru the images. You opt in if you wish. Kenneth Waller Original Message - From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site? It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details. However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was. :-) You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring up a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with is selected by random. I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade through 50-60 images like Jack did. Jostein 2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the moment. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I found the same thing. I went ahead and voted on all the photos that were presented to me. It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones were shown again allowing me to vote on them. Doesn't seem like the system is foolproof yet. -- Bruce Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote: A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was A met with the below text. A Anyone picked up news about this before? A Jostein A === Quote start = A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can A participate in the voting process. A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed A by the photographer. A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of A the image. A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. A === Quote end = -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Just got back on and found they have changed the rating system a little bit. There is no longer any radio buttons on the far right side - just up/down arrows. It also seemed to only show me new photos to rate. Went pretty well until the end. The end had only two - after clicking submit I got a screenful of text like the program dumped. Anyway, they seem to be improving it. -- Bruce Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 2:18:17 PM, you wrote: A Yup, A I got it wrong. A But I do have a couple of suggestions to improve the workflow for the A reviewing photographer, though. :-) A Jostein A 2007/7/11, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade through 50-60 images like Jack did. Did I miss something? No one is obliged to wade thru the images. You opt in if you wish. Kenneth Waller Original Message - From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site? It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details. However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was. :-) You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring up a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with is selected by random. I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade through 50-60 images like Jack did. Jostein 2007/7/11, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the moment. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I found the same thing. I went ahead and voted on all the photos that were presented to me. It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones were shown again allowing me to vote on them. Doesn't seem like the system is foolproof yet. -- Bruce Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote: A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was A met with the below text. A Anyone picked up news about this before? A Jostein A === Quote start = A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can A participate in the voting process. A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed A by the photographer. A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of A the image. A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. A === Quote end = -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net A -- A http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ A http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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So the Pentax Photo Gallery will become a self selecting clique, well none of that for me...Umm, wait a minute. forget I said that. AlunFoto wrote: Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was met with the below text. Anyone picked up news about this before? Jostein === Quote start = As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can participate in the voting process. Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed by the photographer. PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of the image. Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. === Quote end = -- All dogs have four legs; my cat has four legs. Therefore, my cat is a dog. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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AlunFoto wrote: Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was met with the below text. Anyone picked up news about this before? Very interesting. But I'm more concerned with when the damn page is ever going to gt out of beta and go official. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yes. Early on, it was mentioned that accepted artists would possibly be invited to participate in the voting. Can't say just when that was announced. Jack --- AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was met with the below text. Anyone picked up news about this before? Jostein === Quote start = As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can participate in the voting process. Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed by the photographer. PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of the image. Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. === Quote end = -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yes, I found the same thing. I went ahead and voted on all the photos that were presented to me. It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones were shown again allowing me to vote on them. Doesn't seem like the system is foolproof yet. -- Bruce Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote: A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was A met with the below text. A Anyone picked up news about this before? A Jostein A === Quote start = A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can A participate in the voting process. A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed A by the photographer. A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of A the image. A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. A === Quote end = A -- A http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ A http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the moment. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I found the same thing. I went ahead and voted on all the photos that were presented to me. It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones were shown again allowing me to vote on them. Doesn't seem like the system is foolproof yet. -- Bruce Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote: A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was A met with the below text. A Anyone picked up news about this before? A Jostein A === Quote start = A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can A participate in the voting process. A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed A by the photographer. A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of A the image. A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. A === Quote end = A -- A http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ A http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Okay, now I understand why it takes so long to review the photos...that was hard work! Bong On 7/11/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the moment. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I found the same thing. I went ahead and voted on all the photos that were presented to me. It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones were shown again allowing me to vote on them. Doesn't seem like the system is foolproof yet. -- Bruce Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote: A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was A met with the below text. A Anyone picked up news about this before? A Jostein A === Quote start = A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can A participate in the voting process. A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed A by the photographer. A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of A the image. A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. A === Quote end = A -- A http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ A http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You overloaded it Jack. :-) Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:37:17 -0700 (PDT) I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the moment. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I found the same thing. I went ahead and voted on all the photos that were presented to me. It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones were shown again allowing me to vote on them. Doesn't seem like the system is foolproof yet. -- Bruce Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote: A Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was A met with the below text. A Anyone picked up news about this before? A Jostein A === Quote start = A As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability A to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can A participate in the voting process. A Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the A selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote A on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for A voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect A the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed A by the photographer. A PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, A your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves A the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has A received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, A but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the A inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of A the image. A Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. A When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject A matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. A === Quote end = A -- A http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ A http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yes, enough is enough. And if the photo.net model of peer evaluation is any indication of how well this might work. Well, it won't. Not a good idea in my estimation. Paul On Jul 10, 2007, at 6:20 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: AlunFoto wrote: Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was met with the below text. Anyone picked up news about this before? Very interesting. But I'm more concerned with when the damn page is ever going to gt out of beta and go official. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?
Agreed. I just deleted my photo from pentaxphotogallery.com. There is no option to delete an account, so I clicked the contact link and asked them, politely, to do so for me. Probably a bit drastic, but I don't really like that sort of thing and don't want to be a part of it - reviewer or reviewed. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/ Paul Stenquist wrote: Yes, enough is enough. And if the photo.net model of peer evaluation is any indication of how well this might work. Well, it won't. Not a good idea in my estimation. Paul On Jul 10, 2007, at 6:20 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: AlunFoto wrote: Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was met with the below text. Anyone picked up news about this before? Very interesting. But I'm more concerned with when the damn page is ever going to gt out of beta and go official. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?
So the Pentax Photo Gallery will become a self selecting clique, Not my take on what was presented. Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the selection process Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site? So the Pentax Photo Gallery will become a self selecting clique, well none of that for me...Umm, wait a minute. forget I said that. AlunFoto wrote: Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and was met with the below text. Anyone picked up news about this before? Jostein === Quote start = As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the ability to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can participate in the voting process. Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot vote on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further protect the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be viewed by the photographer. PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however, your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX reserves the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons including, but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios, the inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality of the image. Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each image. When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure, subject matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:57:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, enough is enough. And if the photo.net model of peer evaluation is any indication of how well this might work. Well, it won't. Not a good idea in my estimation. Paul === Ditto. Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] if the photo.net model of peer evaluation is any indication of how well this might work. Well, it won't. Not a good idea in my estimation. The Average Idiot got that name for a reason. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response
Who said horny? I was expressing a deaper, more mature, non physical love ;-) (Note smilie) Tim Typo¨ Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/05 Tue PM 10:46:03 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response On 5/6/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. A few more have their harts in their mouths ;-)) Oh, deer. Is this going to be another pun thread? Let's not get stuck in a rut this time. Bob I know. It gets pretty STAGnant sometimes. Tom c. Yes, things of that elk do. Bob better be careful, or he'll have Tim feeling all horny again. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 05.06.2007 14:38 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/08 Fri PM 12:09:42 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Who said horny? I was expressing a deaper, more mature, non physical love ;-) What's the ASCII art for complete bafflement? Tim Typo¨ Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/05 Tue PM 10:46:03 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response On 5/6/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. A few more have their harts in their mouths ;-)) Oh, deer. Is this going to be another pun thread? Let's not get stuck in a rut this time. Bob I know. It gets pretty STAGnant sometimes. Tom c. Yes, things of that elk do. Bob better be careful, or he'll have Tim feeling all horny again. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 05.06.2007 14:38 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jun 8, 2007, at 6:05 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/08 Fri PM 12:09:42 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Who said horny? I was expressing a deaper, more mature, non physical love ;-) What's the ASCII art for complete bafflement? =*^O G Tim Typo¨ Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/05 Tue PM 10:46:03 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response On 5/6/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. A few more have their harts in their mouths ;-)) Oh, deer. Is this going to be another pun thread? Let's not get stuck in a rut this time. Bob I know. It gets pretty STAGnant sometimes. Tom c. Yes, things of that elk do. Bob better be careful, or he'll have Tim feeling all horny again. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 05.06.2007 14:38 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'd better stop there. Somebody might take me seriously. Just for the record: I was only expresing my gratitude towards a helpfull list member in a humourous way. Had absolutely no intentions beyond that. I rest my case. Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/08 Fri PM 12:09:42 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Who said horny? I was expressing a deaper, more mature, non physical love ;-) What's the ASCII art for complete bafflement? Tim Typo¨ Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/05 Tue PM 10:46:03 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response On 5/6/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. A few more have their harts in their mouths ;-)) Oh, deer. Is this going to be another pun thread? Let's not get stuck in a rut this time. Bob I know. It gets pretty STAGnant sometimes. Tom c. Yes, things of that elk do. Bob better be careful, or he'll have Tim feeling all horny again. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 05.06.2007 14:38 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07.06.2007 14:21 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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What do you mean 'might take me seriously'? Does this mean you were only toying with me, and all those promises were lies? I hate you, you bastard, do you hear? I hate you and I'll never speak to you again as long as I live! -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby Sent: 08 June 2007 18:02 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response I'd better stop there. Somebody might take me seriously. Just for the record: I was only expresing my gratitude towards a helpfull list member in a humourous way. Had absolutely no intentions beyond that. I rest my case. Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/08 Fri PM 12:09:42 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Who said horny? I was expressing a deaper, more mature, non physical love ;-) What's the ASCII art for complete bafflement? Tim Typo¨ Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/05 Tue PM 10:46:03 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response On 5/6/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. A few more have their harts in their mouths ;-)) Oh, deer. Is this going to be another pun thread? Let's not get stuck in a rut this time. Bob I know. It gets pretty STAGnant sometimes. Tom c. Yes, things of that elk do. Bob better be careful, or he'll have Tim feeling all horny again. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 05.06.2007 14:38 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07.06.2007 14:21 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Sorry bout that, but I'm just a tease. But I AM greateful. You saved my day. Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response What do you mean 'might take me seriously'? Does this mean you were only toying with me, and all those promises were lies? I hate you, you bastard, do you hear? I hate you and I'll never speak to you again as long as I live! -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby Sent: 08 June 2007 18:02 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response I'd better stop there. Somebody might take me seriously. Just for the record: I was only expresing my gratitude towards a helpfull list member in a humourous way. Had absolutely no intentions beyond that. I rest my case. Tim Typo Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/08 Fri PM 12:09:42 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Who said horny? I was expressing a deaper, more mature, non physical love ;-) What's the ASCII art for complete bafflement? Tim Typo¨ Mostly Harmless - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/05 Tue PM 10:46:03 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response On 5/6/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. A few more have their harts in their mouths ;-)) Oh, deer. Is this going to be another pun thread? Let's not get stuck in a rut this time. Bob I know. It gets pretty STAGnant sometimes. Tom c. Yes, things of that elk do. Bob better be careful, or he'll have Tim feeling all horny again. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 05.06.2007 14:38 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 07.06.2007 14:21 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/840 - Release Date: 08.06.2007 15:15 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response
From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/05 Tue PM 10:46:03 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response On 5/6/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. A few more have their harts in their mouths ;-)) Oh, deer. Is this going to be another pun thread? Let's not get stuck in a rut this time. Bob I know. It gets pretty STAGnant sometimes. Tom c. Yes, things of that elk do. Bob better be careful, or he'll have Tim feeling all horny again. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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There are still a few of us on this list John that appreciate your support. Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. Dave On 6/4/07, Carlson, John___PAIC_SO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To maybe clear the air, one of the judges was in Hawaii for a photo shoot for some upcoming advertising the week before last (difficult job, but someone had to do it), and the other was at a Pentax sponsored college championship sailing event last week (also a difficult job, but we all make sacrifices:). Thanks for your support. John -Original Message- From: Jack Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:14 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Thanks, John. Actually, you may have even noticed yourself that there has been a bit of speculation about why it now seems to be taking longer for images to be reviewed. In fact, there are some who feel it has ceased altogether. That is really what prompted my contact. I honestly didn't think the Pentax/Hoya thing was having any bearing on the gallery schedule, but we are an insecure group. The primary reason I passed along your comments was because of the gallery activity plans being considered. Your response was considerate very much appreciated. Jack --- Carlson, John___PAIC_SO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I typical art gallery can sometimes take months to consider a piece for inclusion. With that in mind, the Photo Gallery selection process is relatively fast. And, as we have said many times in various discussion groups and forums, the Photo Gallery is a work in progress, is still under development, and still in beta form. Additionally, we are still getting a large volume of submissions and we take the time to review each picture. We know this volume will only increase when the gallery is released publicly, so we are taking steps to streamline the selection process. We do check in on the forums from time to time, and to be honest, some of the speculation, rumors and conspiracy theories give a pretty good chuckle. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: AlunFoto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:08 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response I agree, Jack. Here's a quote from the FAQ: Q: How will I know if my photos have been accepted for display? How long will it take to find out? A: After you have submitted your photos, please re-visit your account over the next 7 days to be alerted of photo submission status. So they actually promise a review within 7 days. If they can't keep their own deadlines, then what I need is accurate information. Without having to ask. I wouldn't mind if they had longer deadlines, actually, as long as the messages they send are loud and clear. Jostein 2007/6/4, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Their response is not in any way a reassurance. Is provided only for its human interest value. Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you received the obvious answer. Don't worry, everything's going fine, no anticipated changes here, though apparently attention has been diverted. That may well be the case. I would guess the gallery was never anyone's fulll time job. Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) I asked the obvious question of Pentax and received the following response: Jack, I can assure you that the delay in images accepted or on hold as nothing to do with Pentax and Hoya activities in Japan. It is business as usual for us here in the US and we do not anticipate any changes. The judges for the photo gallery have had very busy schedules and haven't had the time to look at some of the more recent submissions. Additionally, the Photo Gallery is still under development and not in its full working version. We are currently in the process of adding a artist voting function. This will give the accepted artists in the gallery the opportunity to vote on submissions by other artists to determine if their images will make it to the final gallery. Also, we are working on skinning the site in other languages so it is truly and international community. Thank you for your concern, but everything is going well here. We look forward to receiving more images. John Carlson Product Manager PENTAX Imaging Company Direct: (303) 728-0187 Fax: (303) 728-0187 [EMAIL PROTECTED
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On 5/6/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. A few more have their harts in their mouths ;-)) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 05 June 2007 22:04 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response On 5/6/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. A few more have their harts in their mouths ;-)) Oh, deer. Is this going to be another pun thread? Let's not get stuck in a rut this time. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response On 5/6/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. A few more have their harts in their mouths ;-)) Oh, deer. Is this going to be another pun thread? Let's not get stuck in a rut this time. Bob I know. It gets pretty STAGnant sometimes. Tom c. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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--- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response On 5/6/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Only a few have their harthats on waiting for the sky to fall. A few more have their harts in their mouths ;-)) Oh, deer. Is this going to be another pun thread? Let's not get stuck in a rut this time. Bob I know. It gets pretty STAGnant sometimes. Tom c. Yes, things of that elk do. Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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And you received the obvious answer. Don't worry, everything's going fine, no anticipated changes here, though apparently attention has been diverted. That may well be the case. I would guess the gallery was never anyone's fulll time job. Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) I asked the obvious question of Pentax and received the following response: Jack, I can assure you that the delay in images accepted or on hold as nothing to do with Pentax and Hoya activities in Japan. It is business as usual for us here in the US and we do not anticipate any changes. The judges for the photo gallery have had very busy schedules and haven't had the time to look at some of the more recent submissions. Additionally, the Photo Gallery is still under development and not in its full working version. We are currently in the process of adding a artist voting function. This will give the accepted artists in the gallery the opportunity to vote on submissions by other artists to determine if their images will make it to the final gallery. Also, we are working on skinning the site in other languages so it is truly and international community. Thank you for your concern, but everything is going well here. We look forward to receiving more images. John Carlson Product Manager PENTAX Imaging Company Direct: (303) 728-0187 Fax: (303) 728-0187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Their response is not in any way a reassurance. Is provided only for its human interest value. Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you received the obvious answer. Don't worry, everything's going fine, no anticipated changes here, though apparently attention has been diverted. That may well be the case. I would guess the gallery was never anyone's fulll time job. Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) I asked the obvious question of Pentax and received the following response: Jack, I can assure you that the delay in images accepted or on hold as nothing to do with Pentax and Hoya activities in Japan. It is business as usual for us here in the US and we do not anticipate any changes. The judges for the photo gallery have had very busy schedules and haven't had the time to look at some of the more recent submissions. Additionally, the Photo Gallery is still under development and not in its full working version. We are currently in the process of adding a artist voting function. This will give the accepted artists in the gallery the opportunity to vote on submissions by other artists to determine if their images will make it to the final gallery. Also, we are working on skinning the site in other languages so it is truly and international community. Thank you for your concern, but everything is going well here. We look forward to receiving more images. John Carlson Product Manager PENTAX Imaging Company Direct: (303) 728-0187 Fax: (303) 728-0187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I agree, Jack. Here's a quote from the FAQ: Q: How will I know if my photos have been accepted for display? How long will it take to find out? A: After you have submitted your photos, please re-visit your account over the next 7 days to be alerted of photo submission status. So they actually promise a review within 7 days. If they can't keep their own deadlines, then what I need is accurate information. Without having to ask. I wouldn't mind if they had longer deadlines, actually, as long as the messages they send are loud and clear. Jostein 2007/6/4, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Their response is not in any way a reassurance. Is provided only for its human interest value. Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you received the obvious answer. Don't worry, everything's going fine, no anticipated changes here, though apparently attention has been diverted. That may well be the case. I would guess the gallery was never anyone's fulll time job. Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) I asked the obvious question of Pentax and received the following response: Jack, I can assure you that the delay in images accepted or on hold as nothing to do with Pentax and Hoya activities in Japan. It is business as usual for us here in the US and we do not anticipate any changes. The judges for the photo gallery have had very busy schedules and haven't had the time to look at some of the more recent submissions. Additionally, the Photo Gallery is still under development and not in its full working version. We are currently in the process of adding a artist voting function. This will give the accepted artists in the gallery the opportunity to vote on submissions by other artists to determine if their images will make it to the final gallery. Also, we are working on skinning the site in other languages so it is truly and international community. Thank you for your concern, but everything is going well here. We look forward to receiving more images. John Carlson Product Manager PENTAX Imaging Company Direct: (303) 728-0187 Fax: (303) 728-0187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I typical art gallery can sometimes take months to consider a piece for inclusion. With that in mind, the Photo Gallery selection process is relatively fast. And, as we have said many times in various discussion groups and forums, the Photo Gallery is a work in progress, is still under development, and still in beta form. Additionally, we are still getting a large volume of submissions and we take the time to review each picture. We know this volume will only increase when the gallery is released publicly, so we are taking steps to streamline the selection process. We do check in on the forums from time to time, and to be honest, some of the speculation, rumors and conspiracy theories give a pretty good chuckle. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: AlunFoto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:08 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response I agree, Jack. Here's a quote from the FAQ: Q: How will I know if my photos have been accepted for display? How long will it take to find out? A: After you have submitted your photos, please re-visit your account over the next 7 days to be alerted of photo submission status. So they actually promise a review within 7 days. If they can't keep their own deadlines, then what I need is accurate information. Without having to ask. I wouldn't mind if they had longer deadlines, actually, as long as the messages they send are loud and clear. Jostein 2007/6/4, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Their response is not in any way a reassurance. Is provided only for its human interest value. Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you received the obvious answer. Don't worry, everything's going fine, no anticipated changes here, though apparently attention has been diverted. That may well be the case. I would guess the gallery was never anyone's fulll time job. Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) I asked the obvious question of Pentax and received the following response: Jack, I can assure you that the delay in images accepted or on hold as nothing to do with Pentax and Hoya activities in Japan. It is business as usual for us here in the US and we do not anticipate any changes. The judges for the photo gallery have had very busy schedules and haven't had the time to look at some of the more recent submissions. Additionally, the Photo Gallery is still under development and not in its full working version. We are currently in the process of adding a artist voting function. This will give the accepted artists in the gallery the opportunity to vote on submissions by other artists to determine if their images will make it to the final gallery. Also, we are working on skinning the site in other languages so it is truly and international community. Thank you for your concern, but everything is going well here. We look forward to receiving more images. John Carlson Product Manager PENTAX Imaging Company Direct: (303) 728-0187 Fax: (303) 728-0187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ __ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks for responding here, John. Much appreciated. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no http://alunfoto.blogspot.com 2007/6/4, Carlson, John___PAIC_SO [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I typical art gallery can sometimes take months to consider a piece for inclusion. With that in mind, the Photo Gallery selection process is relatively fast. And, as we have said many times in various discussion groups and forums, the Photo Gallery is a work in progress, is still under development, and still in beta form. Additionally, we are still getting a large volume of submissions and we take the time to review each picture. We know this volume will only increase when the gallery is released publicly, so we are taking steps to streamline the selection process. We do check in on the forums from time to time, and to be honest, some of the speculation, rumors and conspiracy theories give a pretty good chuckle. Thanks, John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks, John. Actually, you may have even noticed yourself that there has been a bit of speculation about why it now seems to be taking longer for images to be reviewed. In fact, there are some who feel it has ceased altogether. That is really what prompted my contact. I honestly didn't think the Pentax/Hoya thing was having any bearing on the gallery schedule, but we are an insecure group. The primary reason I passed along your comments was because of the gallery activity plans being considered. Your response was considerate very much appreciated. Jack --- Carlson, John___PAIC_SO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I typical art gallery can sometimes take months to consider a piece for inclusion. With that in mind, the Photo Gallery selection process is relatively fast. And, as we have said many times in various discussion groups and forums, the Photo Gallery is a work in progress, is still under development, and still in beta form. Additionally, we are still getting a large volume of submissions and we take the time to review each picture. We know this volume will only increase when the gallery is released publicly, so we are taking steps to streamline the selection process. We do check in on the forums from time to time, and to be honest, some of the speculation, rumors and conspiracy theories give a pretty good chuckle. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: AlunFoto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:08 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response I agree, Jack. Here's a quote from the FAQ: Q: How will I know if my photos have been accepted for display? How long will it take to find out? A: After you have submitted your photos, please re-visit your account over the next 7 days to be alerted of photo submission status. So they actually promise a review within 7 days. If they can't keep their own deadlines, then what I need is accurate information. Without having to ask. I wouldn't mind if they had longer deadlines, actually, as long as the messages they send are loud and clear. Jostein 2007/6/4, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Their response is not in any way a reassurance. Is provided only for its human interest value. Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you received the obvious answer. Don't worry, everything's going fine, no anticipated changes here, though apparently attention has been diverted. That may well be the case. I would guess the gallery was never anyone's fulll time job. Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) I asked the obvious question of Pentax and received the following response: Jack, I can assure you that the delay in images accepted or on hold as nothing to do with Pentax and Hoya activities in Japan. It is business as usual for us here in the US and we do not anticipate any changes. The judges for the photo gallery have had very busy schedules and haven't had the time to look at some of the more recent submissions. Additionally, the Photo Gallery is still under development and not in its full working version. We are currently in the process of adding a artist voting function. This will give the accepted artists in the gallery the opportunity to vote on submissions by other artists to determine if their images will make it to the final gallery. Also, we are working on skinning the site in other languages so it is truly and international community. Thank you for your concern, but everything is going well here. We look forward to receiving more images. John Carlson Product Manager PENTAX Imaging Company Direct: (303) 728-0187 Fax: (303) 728-0187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ __ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- http://www.alunfoto.no http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http
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That's EXACTLY what he would say if there REALLY WAS a conspiracy. :-) Tom C. We do check in on the forums from time to time, and to be honest, some of the speculation, rumors and conspiracy theories give a pretty good chuckle. Thanks, John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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To maybe clear the air, one of the judges was in Hawaii for a photo shoot for some upcoming advertising the week before last (difficult job, but someone had to do it), and the other was at a Pentax sponsored college championship sailing event last week (also a difficult job, but we all make sacrifices:). Thanks for your support. John -Original Message- From: Jack Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:14 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Thanks, John. Actually, you may have even noticed yourself that there has been a bit of speculation about why it now seems to be taking longer for images to be reviewed. In fact, there are some who feel it has ceased altogether. That is really what prompted my contact. I honestly didn't think the Pentax/Hoya thing was having any bearing on the gallery schedule, but we are an insecure group. The primary reason I passed along your comments was because of the gallery activity plans being considered. Your response was considerate very much appreciated. Jack --- Carlson, John___PAIC_SO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I typical art gallery can sometimes take months to consider a piece for inclusion. With that in mind, the Photo Gallery selection process is relatively fast. And, as we have said many times in various discussion groups and forums, the Photo Gallery is a work in progress, is still under development, and still in beta form. Additionally, we are still getting a large volume of submissions and we take the time to review each picture. We know this volume will only increase when the gallery is released publicly, so we are taking steps to streamline the selection process. We do check in on the forums from time to time, and to be honest, some of the speculation, rumors and conspiracy theories give a pretty good chuckle. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: AlunFoto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:08 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response I agree, Jack. Here's a quote from the FAQ: Q: How will I know if my photos have been accepted for display? How long will it take to find out? A: After you have submitted your photos, please re-visit your account over the next 7 days to be alerted of photo submission status. So they actually promise a review within 7 days. If they can't keep their own deadlines, then what I need is accurate information. Without having to ask. I wouldn't mind if they had longer deadlines, actually, as long as the messages they send are loud and clear. Jostein 2007/6/4, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Their response is not in any way a reassurance. Is provided only for its human interest value. Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you received the obvious answer. Don't worry, everything's going fine, no anticipated changes here, though apparently attention has been diverted. That may well be the case. I would guess the gallery was never anyone's fulll time job. Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) I asked the obvious question of Pentax and received the following response: Jack, I can assure you that the delay in images accepted or on hold as nothing to do with Pentax and Hoya activities in Japan. It is business as usual for us here in the US and we do not anticipate any changes. The judges for the photo gallery have had very busy schedules and haven't had the time to look at some of the more recent submissions. Additionally, the Photo Gallery is still under development and not in its full working version. We are currently in the process of adding a artist voting function. This will give the accepted artists in the gallery the opportunity to vote on submissions by other artists to determine if their images will make it to the final gallery. Also, we are working on skinning the site in other languages so it is truly and international community. Thank you for your concern, but everything is going well here. We look forward to receiving more images. John Carlson Product Manager PENTAX Imaging Company Direct: (303) 728-0187 Fax: (303) 728-0187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
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Now I'm ashamed for having asked. Poor things..my sympathies. :) Jack --- Carlson, John___PAIC_SO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To maybe clear the air, one of the judges was in Hawaii for a photo shoot for some upcoming advertising the week before last (difficult job, but someone had to do it), and the other was at a Pentax sponsored college championship sailing event last week (also a difficult job, but we all make sacrifices:). Thanks for your support. John -Original Message- From: Jack Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:14 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Thanks, John. Actually, you may have even noticed yourself that there has been a bit of speculation about why it now seems to be taking longer for images to be reviewed. In fact, there are some who feel it has ceased altogether. That is really what prompted my contact. I honestly didn't think the Pentax/Hoya thing was having any bearing on the gallery schedule, but we are an insecure group. The primary reason I passed along your comments was because of the gallery activity plans being considered. Your response was considerate very much appreciated. Jack --- Carlson, John___PAIC_SO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I typical art gallery can sometimes take months to consider a piece for inclusion. With that in mind, the Photo Gallery selection process is relatively fast. And, as we have said many times in various discussion groups and forums, the Photo Gallery is a work in progress, is still under development, and still in beta form. Additionally, we are still getting a large volume of submissions and we take the time to review each picture. We know this volume will only increase when the gallery is released publicly, so we are taking steps to streamline the selection process. We do check in on the forums from time to time, and to be honest, some of the speculation, rumors and conspiracy theories give a pretty good chuckle. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: AlunFoto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:08 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Photo Gallery Response I agree, Jack. Here's a quote from the FAQ: Q: How will I know if my photos have been accepted for display? How long will it take to find out? A: After you have submitted your photos, please re-visit your account over the next 7 days to be alerted of photo submission status. So they actually promise a review within 7 days. If they can't keep their own deadlines, then what I need is accurate information. Without having to ask. I wouldn't mind if they had longer deadlines, actually, as long as the messages they send are loud and clear. Jostein 2007/6/4, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Their response is not in any way a reassurance. Is provided only for its human interest value. Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you received the obvious answer. Don't worry, everything's going fine, no anticipated changes here, though apparently attention has been diverted. That may well be the case. I would guess the gallery was never anyone's fulll time job. Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax Photo Gallery Response Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:40:02 -0700 (PDT) I asked the obvious question of Pentax and received the following response: Jack, I can assure you that the delay in images accepted or on hold as nothing to do with Pentax and Hoya activities in Japan. It is business as usual for us here in the US and we do not anticipate any changes. The judges for the photo gallery have had very busy schedules and haven't had the time to look at some of the more recent submissions. Additionally, the Photo Gallery is still under development and not in its full working version. We are currently in the process of adding a artist voting function. This will give the accepted artists in the gallery the opportunity to vote on submissions by other artists to determine if their images will make it to the final gallery. Also, we are working on skinning the site in other languages so it is truly and international community. Thank you for your concern, but everything is going well here. We look forward to receiving more images. John Carlson Product Manager PENTAX Imaging Company Direct: (303) 728-0187 Fax: (303) 728-0187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ Don't get
Re: Pentax Photo gallery ratio?
I've submitted something like 20 in total and had 14 accepted into the gallery. I suspect that given the overwhelming response they're getting more selective. I doubt mine would have made it in if it weren't for the fact that I submitted mine early. Cheers, Dave On 4/18/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got four images approved now but it's taken fourteen submissions to get there. Mind you, these are all images I see as keepers. I do understand though that it's pretty much a subjective grading system. It feels good to have one's images judged and approved but I'm trying not to get too wrapped-up in it I'm just wondering what sort of in/out ratio you guys whit LOTS of approved images are seeing. I wish they'd put some quick comments in when they decline images. Even canned ones like not sharp or too much noise or even Too Orange http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist/galleryimages/gallery_image_175549.jpgCW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Good shot - was the vehicle really that orange color that I see? Maris cbwaters wrote: I've got four images approved now but it's taken fourteen submissions to get there. Mind you, these are all images I see as keepers. I do understand though that it's pretty much a subjective grading system. It feels good to have one's images judged and approved but I'm trying not to get too wrapped-up in it I'm just wondering what sort of in/out ratio you guys whit LOTS of approved images are seeing. I wish they'd put some quick comments in when they decline images. Even canned ones like not sharp or too much noise or even Too Orange http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist/galleryimages/gallery_image_175549.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I've submitted 10 and got 8 accepted, though none in premier gallery yet. Frankly, I wouldn't care about that. After all, this process is not deterministic, is it? Cheers. On 4/18/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got four images approved now but it's taken fourteen submissions to get there. Mind you, these are all images I see as keepers. I do understand though that it's pretty much a subjective grading system. It feels good to have one's images judged and approved but I'm trying not to get too wrapped-up in it I'm just wondering what sort of in/out ratio you guys whit LOTS of approved images are seeing. I wish they'd put some quick comments in when they decline images. Even canned ones like not sharp or too much noise or even Too Orange http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist/galleryimages/gallery_image_175549.jpgCW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I submitted 5 and 4 were accepted. My best picture of all 5 was they one they didi not like. Dave On 4/18/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've submitted 10 and got 8 accepted, though none in premier gallery yet. Frankly, I wouldn't care about that. After all, this process is not deterministic, is it? Cheers. On 4/18/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got four images approved now but it's taken fourteen submissions to get there. Mind you, these are all images I see as keepers. I do understand though that it's pretty much a subjective grading system. It feels good to have one's images judged and approved but I'm trying not to get too wrapped-up in it I'm just wondering what sort of in/out ratio you guys whit LOTS of approved images are seeing. I wish they'd put some quick comments in when they decline images. Even canned ones like not sharp or too much noise or even Too Orange http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist/galleryimages/gallery_image_175549.jpgCW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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They're actually starting a Who Was gallery. Like in Who was Pentax? Tom C. From: Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Photo gallery ratio? Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:56:12 +0800 On 4/18/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've submitted 10 and got 8 accepted, though none in premier gallery yet. Hi, I posted a message related to this thread that seem to have gotten lost in cyberlimbo...but in case, here's a repeat: I submitted a friend's portrait a while back that got declined. After looking through the gallery an idea hit me and I resubmitted *her* photo again but this time under GLAMOUR/FASHION instead of PORTRAITS ...it got accepted! Bong -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I had one declined with the comment; Scan too soft. That was the only explanation of those declined. In that case, I'd sent two images of the same scene which were shot under different conditions. It may have been that they simply felt like explaining they're reason for having chosen the less dramatic of the two.(?) Really haven't logged the offered vs accepted ratio. Acceptance was high in the beginning, but has dropped of dramatically. It may be partially due to the high influx of offerings and they're QC method of slowing the train. Wouldn't doubt that there would come a time when offerings would be cut off, at least for awhile. Jack --- cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got four images approved now but it's taken fourteen submissions to get there. Mind you, these are all images I see as keepers. I do understand though that it's pretty much a subjective grading system. It feels good to have one's images judged and approved but I'm trying not to get too wrapped-up in it I'm just wondering what sort of in/out ratio you guys whit LOTS of approved images are seeing. I wish they'd put some quick comments in when they decline images. Even canned ones like not sharp or too much noise or even Too Orange http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist/galleryimages/gallery_image_175549.jpgCW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yes, it is really that orange. Here's another shot of it from another photographer. Oddly enough, I didn't take a photo of the whole car :) CW - Original Message - From: Maris V. Lidaka Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Photo gallery ratio? Good shot - was the vehicle really that orange color that I see? Maris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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How do you submit photos to the gallery? When I visit http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com I see only coming soon page with no links... Pawel cbwaters wrote: I've got four images approved now but it's taken fourteen submissions to get there. Mind you, these are all images I see as keepers. I do understand though that it's pretty much a subjective grading system. It feels good to have one's images judged and approved but I'm trying not to get too wrapped-up in it I'm just wondering what sort of in/out ratio you guys whit LOTS of approved images are seeing. I wish they'd put some quick comments in when they decline images. Even canned ones like not sharp or too much noise or even Too Orange http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist/galleryimages/gallery_image_175549.jpgCW .com = 9,90, .pl = 29,90 www.nazwa.pl -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'm just wondering what sort of in/out ratio you guys whit LOTS of approved images are seeing FWIW - I've had around 75% of my submitted images selected. No reason given for any image rejected. 10% of my accepted images have made it to the Premier Collection. As of a few weeks ago I was getting more rejections than earlier when the gallery first went online. I suspect the response has been somewhat more than Pentax anticipated. I too, can not see any rhyme/reason for the images they rejected. Although recently I haven't been able to add the appropriate image data to get any images submitted (when I click on enter data the web page darkens locks up - I have to cancel out of ! E 6 to free up. I emailed Pentax got a quick response that an outside firm (TextureMedia) would handle the issue. I've had further dialog with them but so far no cure for the issue. I wonder if Pentax may have given image selection duties to an outside firm also. I've give the site info out to a lot of no photographers their response has been very position as to the web presentation. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax Photo gallery ratio? I've got four images approved now but it's taken fourteen submissions to get there. Mind you, these are all images I see as keepers. I do understand though that it's pretty much a subjective grading system. It feels good to have one's images judged and approved but I'm trying not to get too wrapped-up in it I'm just wondering what sort of in/out ratio you guys whit LOTS of approved images are seeing. I wish they'd put some quick comments in when they decline images. Even canned ones like not sharp or too much noise or even Too Orange http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist/galleryimages/gallery_image_175549.jpgCW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
