Re: PESO: Fallen

[John]

Yeah, funny that. But I'm probably the only one who hasn't.

On 5/8/2021 19:36:15, P. J. Alling wrote:

any yet you didn't forget it.

On 5/8/2021 6:22 PM, John wrote:
My first thought was an eminently forgettable 1981 movie starring Chevy Chase 
& Carrie Fisher - "Under the Rainbow" ...


"The pearl is in the liver".


On 5/8/2021 05:22:17, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 08.05.21 um 01:01 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:

The blossoms have all fallen off my cherry tree:


Sounds like a secret message from North Korea. ;-)

Nice photo.

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Re: PESO: Fallen

[P. J. Alling]

any yet you didn't forget it.

On 5/8/2021 6:22 PM, John wrote:
My first thought was an eminently forgettable 1981 movie starring 
Chevy Chase & Carrie Fisher - "Under the Rainbow" ...


"The pearl is in the liver".


On 5/8/2021 05:22:17, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 08.05.21 um 01:01 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:

The blossoms have all fallen off my cherry tree:


Sounds like a secret message from North Korea. ;-)

Nice photo.

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Re: PESO: Fallen

[John]

My first thought was an eminently forgettable 1981 movie starring Chevy Chase & 
Carrie Fisher - "Under the Rainbow" ...


"The pearl is in the liver".


On 5/8/2021 05:22:17, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 08.05.21 um 01:01 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:

The blossoms have all fallen off my cherry tree:


Sounds like a secret message from North Korea. ;-)

Nice photo.

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Re: PESO: Fallen

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Ralf!

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> Am 08.05.21 um 01:01 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:
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> Nice photo.
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Re: PESO: Fallen

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Am 08.05.21 um 01:01 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:

The blossoms have all fallen off my cherry tree:


Sounds like a secret message from North Korea. ;-)

Nice photo.

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Re: PESO - Fallen Angel

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Bruce. It would have benefited from a bit of flash fill, but I was lazy 
and didn’t bring the flash and Xtender. Sometimes I just want to play.

Paul
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> Oddly enough I get that reference. :-) I like it.
> 
> Disliked that film on first viewing; mostly because I didn't get the
> Jay and Silent Bob shtick and found it aggravating and intrusive. Many
> years later my wife and I became huge Kevin Smith fans (by way of
> Mallrats) and found Dogma to be great fun the 2nd time around.
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>> Another shot from a couple of days ago with the K-3, DA* 60-250 and the 1.4x 
>> converter.  Reminds me of the fallen angels in the film “Dogma,” an 
>> entertaining tongue-in-cheek movie where God, in the form of a fun loving 
>> young lady smotes the bad angels and saves the world.
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Re: PESO - Fallen Angel

[Bruce Walker]

Oddly enough I get that reference. :-) I like it.

Disliked that film on first viewing; mostly because I didn't get the
Jay and Silent Bob shtick and found it aggravating and intrusive. Many
years later my wife and I became huge Kevin Smith fans (by way of
Mallrats) and found Dogma to be great fun the 2nd time around.


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> Another shot from a couple of days ago with the K-3, DA* 60-250 and the 1.4x 
> converter.  Reminds me of the fallen angels in the film “Dogma,” an 
> entertaining tongue-in-cheek movie where God, in the form of a fun loving 
> young lady smotes the bad angels and saves the world.
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Re: PESO - Fallen Angel

[Ann Sanfedele]

nice shot - despite the title that totally blind sided me :-)

ann

On 4/3/2014 20:45, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Another shot from a couple of days ago with the K-3, DA* 60-250 and the 1.4x 
converter.  Reminds me of the fallen angels in the film “Dogma,” an 
entertaining tongue-in-cheek movie where God, in the form of a fun loving young 
lady smotes the bad angels and saves the world.


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Re: PESO: Fallen Tree

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On 17 Mar 2014, at 18:40, "Alan C"  wrote:
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> Had the misfortune of a large Mopane tree falling across my lawn on Wed. It 
> had rotted off just below ground level. In this early morning shot lurks a 
> camouflaged spectator. Sensitive viewers should look with caution! Cut half 
> of it up today.

Are you allowed to do that to cats?

> Counting the rings puts its age at roughly 60 years so it germinated about 
> the time the Town of Phalaborwa was established.
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> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/13224564775/lightbox/
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Shame to lose the tree - did you get fruit from it? Nice garden, too.

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Re: PESO: Fallen Tree

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Sorry that should be hope there wasn't damage.

On 3/17/2014 1:51 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote:
Oh my goodness. Do hope there was damage to your home. Are you going 
to be creative with it or just saw it up?


On 3/17/2014 1:39 PM, Alan C wrote:
Had the misfortune of a large Mopane tree falling across my lawn on 
Wed. It had rotted off just below ground level. In this early morning 
shot lurks a camouflaged spectator. Sensitive viewers should look 
with caution! Cut half of it up today. Counting the rings puts its 
age at roughly 60 years so it germinated about the time the Town of 
Phalaborwa was established.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/13224564775/lightbox/

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Re: PESO: Fallen Tree

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Oh my goodness. Do hope there was damage to your home. Are you going to 
be creative with it or just saw it up?


On 3/17/2014 1:39 PM, Alan C wrote:
Had the misfortune of a large Mopane tree falling across my lawn on 
Wed. It had rotted off just below ground level. In this early morning 
shot lurks a camouflaged spectator. Sensitive viewers should look with 
caution! Cut half of it up today. Counting the rings puts its age at 
roughly 60 years so it germinated about the time the Town of 
Phalaborwa was established.


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Re: PESO - Fallen

[Christine Aguila]

That's nice, Peter!  Cheers, Christine


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> Strong winds here yesterday blew the first camelia off its stalk.
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/petergly/image/151750666
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Re: PESO - Fallen

[Bruce Walker]

Great tones and deep colours in this, Peter. I prefer underexposure
for shots with flowers and this hits it just right.

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Re: PESO - Fallen

[Peter McIntosh]

Thanks Brian, as well as Bob, Jack, Ann, Dan, Kenneth and Dave for
your feedback, and to everyone else who had a peek :-)

Regards,

Pete Mac in Melbourne

On 11 August 2013 17:41, Brian Walters  wrote:
> Quoting Peter McIntosh :
>
>> Strong winds here yesterday blew the first camelia off its stalk.
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/petergly/image/151750666
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>
> Really effective contrast between the flower and the old and fresh foliage.
>
> I don't think the image is helped by the dark border, though.
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Re: PESO - Fallen

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Peter McIntosh :


Strong winds here yesterday blew the first camelia off its stalk.

http://www.pbase.com/petergly/image/151750666

Pentax K5, DA 21 f/3.2. Converted in PWP 7.0 64-bit.

Comments most welcome.



Really effective contrast between the flower and the old and fresh foliage.

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Re: PESO - Fallen

[David Mann]

Yes a nice photo, I like the colours.  I agree with Bob about the border.

One of our camellias has started to burst into flower but the waxeyes have been 
knocking some of the flowers off as they come in for nectar.

Cheers,
Dave

On Aug 11, 2013, at 2:11 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> Peter,
> Lovely shot.
> I hate vignetting, but this seems to work OK.
> Maybe a bit wider/longer transition to black.
> Regards,  Bob S.
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> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Peter McIntosh  wrote:
>> Strong winds here yesterday blew the first camelia off its stalk.
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Re: PESO - Fallen

[Kenneth Waller]

A very nice capture.

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>Strong winds here yesterday blew the first camelia off its stalk.
>
>http://www.pbase.com/petergly/image/151750666
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>Pentax K5, DA 21 f/3.2. Converted in PWP 7.0 64-bit.
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Re: PESO - Fallen

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That works very well, especially the spot of bright color against the
dark background.

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Re: PESO - Fallen

[Ann Sanfedele]

I like it- nice geometry

ann

On 8/10/2013 09:39, Peter McIntosh wrote:

Strong winds here yesterday blew the first camelia off its stalk.

http://www.pbase.com/petergly/image/151750666

Pentax K5, DA 21 f/3.2. Converted in PWP 7.0 64-bit.

Comments most welcome.

Ciao,

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Re: PESO - Fallen

[Jack Davis]

Very nice exposure and composition, Pete
 
Jack


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Strong winds here yesterday blew the first camelia off its stalk.

http://www.pbase.com/petergly/image/151750666

Pentax K5, DA 21 f/3.2. Converted in PWP 7.0 64-bit.

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Re: PESO - Fallen

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Peter,
Lovely shot.
I hate vignetting, but this seems to work OK.
Maybe a bit wider/longer transition to black.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: PESO - Fallen Monarch

[Christine Aguila]

Very nice, Bruce.  Nice juxtaposition of elements in the frame.  Cheers, 
Christine


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> >From the same outing to Muir Woods - Trying to show the majesty of
> these redwoods is much like trying to show what the Grand Canyon is like.
> So sometimes, the details work out better.  Anyway, this is one of
> the trees that fell many years ago.
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Re: PESO - Fallen Monarch

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On 2/4/08, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Pentax K10D, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 34mm
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Re: PESO - Fallen Monarch

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The best of the three, IMO. The clover in the foreground contrast nicely with 
the fallen tree.
Paul
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> >From the same outing to Muir Woods - Trying to show the majesty of
> these redwoods is much like trying to show what the Grand Canyon is like.
> So sometimes, the details work out better.  Anyway, this is one of
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Re: PESO - Fallen Monarch

[Jerome]

Well Done, Bruce. I'm inspired.


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Re: PESO - Fallen Monarch

[Jack Davis]

Can almost smell the sweet, mossy, fresh air. Certainly conveys the
quiet reverence I often feel when in the Redwoods.
Well done!

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> So sometimes, the details work out better.  Anyway, this is one of
> the trees that fell many years ago.
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Re: PESO - Fallen

[Brian Walters]

Nice combinations of colours and textures although I'd have liked a bit more 
intensity in the colour of the leaf.

Well spotted - I'd have probably trampled it underfoot and never noticed the 
possibility

Cheers

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Quoting Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> More evidence of the changing season.
> 
> Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
> ISO 400, 1/125 sec @ f/11, handheld
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> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5278.htm
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Re: PESO - Fallen

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In a message dated 11/9/2007 11:54:22 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
More evidence of the  changing season.

Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 135mm
ISO 400, 1/125  sec @ f/11,  handheld

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_5278.htm

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==
I like the leaf, but too dead center for  me.

HTH, Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: PESO - Fallen

[Rebekah]

Hi Bruce

I love the difference in textures and patterns here :)

rg2

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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Shel Belinkoff]

Thanks Eric  glad you found something to brighten your trip through the
archives ;-))

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Eric Featherstone

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html
>
> A great photo. I really like it. I've been away a while and this makes
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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Eric Featherstone]

On 07/10/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I revisited the
> photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the revised
> edition.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html

A great photo. I really like it. I've been away a while and this makes
ploughing through the backlog of emails worth it :-)

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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Jens Bladt]

Great shot, Shel.
Regards

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I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I revisited the
photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the revised
edition.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html


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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/8/2006 10:33:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Different crop, some local contrast adjustment, change in tonality, a
little brighter in some areas, maybe even a different orientation, changed
the color in about 12 pixels - don't recall if it was posted to the list
with a horizontal or vertical orientation, although both are in my files.

Shel
===
Vertical, pretty sure. That's what my foggy brain seems to remember. Okay, 
tonality comes close to what I meant. I am imprecise on photography terms 
anyway.

Thanks for saying.

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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Shel Belinkoff]

Different crop, some local contrast adjustment, change in tonality, a
little brighter in some areas, maybe even a different orientation, changed
the color in about 12 pixels - don't recall if it was posted to the list
with a horizontal or vertical orientation, although both are in my files.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Higher contrast? Not totally sure what the difference is between the
first 
> and the second, but I would guess that. (You may link to it in later in
this 
> thread, but I tend to comment before I read the whole thread).
>
> I liked the first one, and I like this. Although the leaf's shadow seems
a 
> bit strong. But it fits with the rest, so it balances. In other words,
again, I 
> like it.



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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/7/2006 3:21:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I revisited the
photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the revised
edition.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html


Shel
=
Higher contrast? Not totally sure what the difference is between the first 
and the second, but I would guess that. (You may link to it in later in this 
thread, but I tend to comment before I read the whole thread).

I liked the first one, and I like this. Although the leaf's shadow seems a 
bit strong. But it fits with the rest, so it balances. In other words, again, I 
like it.

Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Kenneth Waller]

Very nice Shel. Good eye.
I especially like the contrast between the colors.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2


>I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I revisited the
> photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the revised
> edition.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html
> 
> 
> Shel
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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)]

Yep, I take your point, and I believe that this picture is great as it is.

But I can't help thinking a bit less saturation would not harm this 
strong visual impact.

As usual, the author is the ultimate juge of what he/she wants to express.

Patrice

Paul Stenquist a écrit :
> I see this as graphic art. I think the question of realism is  
> irrelevant here.
> Paul
> On Oct 7, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote:
>
>   
>> Great picture, Shel.
>>
>> Maybe the leaf is a bit too saturated, though. It doesn't look too
>> realistic to me. Or it's just me, or my screen :-)
>>
>> Patrice
>>
>> Shel Belinkoff a écrit :
>> 
>>> I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I  
>>> revisited the
>>> photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the  
>>> revised
>>> edition.
>>>
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Shel
>>>
>>>   


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RE: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Tim ... thanks for commenting.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Tim Øsleby 

> I remember the first take on this. 
> I didn't like it then, and this take does
> not make me change my mind.
> But it is well done; I got to give you that :-)

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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Shel Belinkoff]

Or maybe I wanted it that way  It's not a "realistic" interpretation of
the scene by any means.  Anyway, it's nice to know you like it on some
level.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Patrice LACOUTURE 

> Great picture, Shel.
>
> Maybe the leaf is a bit too saturated, though. It doesn't look too 
> realistic to me. Or it's just me, or my screen :-)

> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html



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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Paul Stenquist]

I see this as graphic art. I think the question of realism is  
irrelevant here.
Paul
On Oct 7, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote:

> Great picture, Shel.
>
> Maybe the leaf is a bit too saturated, though. It doesn't look too
> realistic to me. Or it's just me, or my screen :-)
>
> Patrice
>
> Shel Belinkoff a écrit :
>> I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I  
>> revisited the
>> photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the  
>> revised
>> edition.
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html
>>
>>
>> Shel
>>
>>
>>
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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)]

Great picture, Shel.

Maybe the leaf is a bit too saturated, though. It doesn't look too 
realistic to me. Or it's just me, or my screen :-)

Patrice

Shel Belinkoff a écrit :
> I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I revisited the
> photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the revised
> edition.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html
>
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>
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RE: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Tim Øsleby]

I remember the first take on this. I didn't like it then, and this take does
not make me change my mind.
But it is well done; I got to give you that :-)


Tim
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Subject: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I revisited the
photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the revised
edition.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html


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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 7, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html
> Gracias, amigo ;-))
>
> How's the vacation going?

Excellent, thanks for asking.

I was over in the west/south of the Island today, in Niarbyl. Very  
beautiful coastline with some restored, traditional Manx homes. The  
wind was up and weather was moving in so I could only shoot a little  
bit, but if I had the time I'd spend a lot more time on the west/ 
south coastal areas. Maybe next year ... I'm only on the Isle of Man  
for another day, off to Liverpool on Monday.

I've made a relatively small number of exposures on this trip, around  
500 or so, but I'm finding a very high percentage of "keepers" to  
work on. Mostly scenics and details this year, I've been in a more  
meditative state of mind than last year when I was concentrating on  
people photos. This will likely change as I head over to Liverpool,  
Gloucester and London... :-)

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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[K.Takeshita]

On 10/07/06 1:43 PM, "Shel Belinkoff", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Ken,
> 
> Thanks for your complimentary comments.  I don't understand your comment
> below... could you expand upon it or explain what you mean.  Thanks!
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
>> [Original Message]
>> From: K.Takeshita
> 
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html
> 
>> Some of your recent pics posted
>> (regardless of when they were taken)
>>  have shown some flare of artistic
>> representation instead of all techno-talk.

Oh, Shel, not much to expand on :-).
Timeline might be all mixed up but you used to post street snaps a lot and I
even remember a thread about the street shooter or something in which you
were the centre.

Then, I saw few of your non-street shots which were very well composed and
"different".  I thought you probably thought a lot about the light,
exposure, composition and other factors.  Results were striking and very
artistic, like the one you just posted.  Perhaps your switching to digital
may have something to do with it, I do not know.
Re "techno-talk" part, I just thought people tend to talk too much about
saturation, contrast, resolution and all those stuff but lousy photos :-).
Just good photos are convincing enough to override all these techno-talk.
Photography after all is the presentation of the art, not so much on the
computer manipulations talk :-).

Well, too long an expansion.  I like your deliberate shots.

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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Shel Belinkoff]

Glad y'like it Paul 

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist 

> Excellent.
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > I made this pic last year about this time.  
> > This morning I revisited  the photo and 
> > saw something more
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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Ken,

Thanks for your complimentary comments.  I don't understand your comment
below... could you expand upon it or explain what you mean.  Thanks!

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: K.Takeshita

 > http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html

> Some of your recent pics posted 
> (regardless of when they were taken)
>  have shown some flare of artistic 
> representation instead of all techno-talk.



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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Shel Belinkoff]

Gracias, amigo ;-))

How's the vacation going?

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 

> Nicely done. :-)

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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Shel Belinkoff]

Not really, Bob ... I've posted several leaf pics, numerous graphic images,
building facades, abstracts, still lifes, even a flower or two ...

I'm pleased that you found it refreshing ... the pic is a result of one of
those "Aha!" experiences @ 3:00am in which something just presented itself
without much thought on my part.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Sullivan 

> Like Ken says, a change of pace for you.
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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Nicely done. :-)

Godfrey

On Oct 7, 2006, at 11:15 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I  
> revisited the
> photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the revised
> edition.
>
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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Bob Sullivan]

Shel,
Refreshing outlook.
Like Ken says, a change of pace for you.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 10/7/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/07/06 6:15 AM, "Shel Belinkoff", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I revisited the
> > photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the revised
> > edition.
> >
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html
>
> Hi Shel,
>
> I like it!
> You are getting better and better, not that you were bad in the first place
> :-).
>
> Some of your recent pics posted (regardless of when they were taken) have
> shown some flare of artistic representation instead of all techno-talk.
> Transforming yourself from the self-proclaimed street snap shooter? :-)
> Post more of those!
>
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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[K.Takeshita]

On 10/07/06 6:15 AM, "Shel Belinkoff", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I revisited the
> photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the revised
> edition.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html

Hi Shel,

I like it!
You are getting better and better, not that you were bad in the first place
:-).

Some of your recent pics posted (regardless of when they were taken) have
shown some flare of artistic representation instead of all techno-talk.
Transforming yourself from the self-proclaimed street snap shooter? :-)
Post more of those!

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Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf #2

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent.
On Oct 7, 2006, at 6:15 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I revisited 
> the
> photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the revised
> edition.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html
>
>
> Shel
>
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[J and K Messervy]

Great job Shel.  That's a very striking image.

James
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>I made this pic last year about this time.  This morning I revisited the
> photo and saw something more, different in it.  So, here's the revised
> edition.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/fallenleaf2.html
> 
> 
> Shel
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[brooksdj]

Excellent shot Boris.

I love the subtle softness on the edges. The sand? backs a great background.

Dave Brooks   

> Hi!
> 
>  From the shoot with Single Elements Soft lens:
> 
> http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/233209
> 
> Please click on it in order to see it on black...
> 
> I specially wonder what Tim might say... Though of course as usual, 
> honest and brutal if need comments are sought after...
> 
> Boris
> 

RE: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Tim Øsleby]

I understand more when you state that you were going for the "transition
between hot summer and cold winter" in the fallen leaves. That makes sense
to me. Never the less, it did not work for me. Perhaps it is a cultural
thing, perhaps limitation in my perceptions. 

> > All this makes it a very good composition, IMO.
> 
> Thanks. Ironically, this is just a bunch of leaves having fallen off the
> tree(s) lying on the floor...
> 
Ironically or not, I did like the composition. 
I think you may be a little too humble, my friend. (It feels good to say my
friend, here ;-) )
The bunch of leaves caught you eye, you stopped, composed, and shot. You may
have done it on instinct, but I don't believe it was random you framed
exactly that pile of leaves. 
There is a lot of stuff going on in your mind that you are not conscious
about you know.

> > My very personal and un-humble opinion is that I hope you place that
> > soft lens where it belongs, on the top shelf. The shelf you rarely look
> > at, the one with a lot of dust ;-)
>
> Unhumble is fine... I can take unhumble... I see your point. Although I
> should say - I don't like an idea of my gear collecting dust on some
> remote shelf, you know.
>
In principle I do appreciate that attitude. First because it's a waste, not
to use something, (I didn't really mean that part of my post literally,
btw). Second because I like the playful experimental aspects of using
alternative lenses and techniques. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12. november 2005 17:48
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves
> 
> Hi!
> 
> > So, you wonder what Tim might say? So do I ;-)
> > (I kind of wonder why you wonder, but that’s not important)
> 
> To answer that - you recently posted some photo(s) that related to the
> same general motif... So I wanted to know your opinion as a fellow
> "fallen leaves" shooter ;-).
> 
> > There is something with soft focus on this kind of motif. For me, soft
> focus
> > has to be "realistic" to be successful. One example is imitating fog in
> a
> > rainy landscape.
> 
> That's most interesting thing, you've said, Tim. I never thought of
> "realistic soft focus"... I shall have to ponder this a little. This is
> indeed very deep observation... At least to me, right here, right now.
> 
> > There are some exceptions from this "rule". Some romantic motifs can
> benefit
> > from a soft focus effect, especially in high key portraits. Soft focus
> can
> > also be an effective way to create spooky effects. The reason for this
> is
> > mainly that it is common; there is no logical reason for this.
> > What am I saying? Simply that I don't buy the soft effect here. I find
> it
> > rather disturbing :-(
> 
> I see... No, I wasn't going after "spooky". Absolutely not. I was after
> that passing emotion, the feeling of change, the feeling of transition
> between hot summer and cold winter...
> 
> > Simply because I like the motif and the composition "under" the
> softness.
> > First I do like the background, it is delicate, and suits the leaves.
> (It is
> > opposite than my picture, I was going for contrast). I also do like the
> > colour variations in the leaves. The leaf I see as the main leaf is
> almost
> > fresh and green (in left part of frame). I also see some geometric
> patterns
> > suggested. There are six yellow leaves in a dice like pattern. (This
> isn't
> > quite correct. The upper left leaf isn't one, it is two leaves, but my
> brain
> > does see it as the sixth). The green main leaf also has a counterpoint
> in
> > right frame. All this makes it a very good composition, IMO.
> 
> Thanks. Ironically, this is just a bunch of leaves having fallen off the
> tree(s) lying on the floor. This shot was taken inside Jerusalem
> University campus where they have this rather special kind of
> pavement... I am not sure what it is, but it is made of square blocks
> that do look rather nice.
> 
> > My very personal and un-humble opinion is that I hope you place that
> soft
> > lens where it belongs, on the top shelf. The shelf you rarely look at,
> the
> > one with a lot of dust ;-)
> 
> Unhumble is fine... I can take unhumble... I see your point. Although I
> should say - I don't like an idea of my gear collecting dust on some
> remote shelf, you know. If I see a piece o

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman"

Subject: Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves




That's most interesting thing, you've said, Tim. I never thought of 
"realistic soft focus"... I shall have to ponder this a little. This is 
indeed very deep observation... At least to me, right here, right now.




Realistic soft focus is how most of us see.
The camera lens is much sharper focus than our eyes.

One would be better to say "unrealistic sharp focus" when describing most 
pictures.


William Robb 

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


So, you wonder what Tim might say? So do I ;-)
(I kind of wonder why you wonder, but that’s not important)


To answer that - you recently posted some photo(s) that related to the 
same general motif... So I wanted to know your opinion as a fellow 
"fallen leaves" shooter ;-).



There is something with soft focus on this kind of motif. For me, soft focus
has to be "realistic" to be successful. One example is imitating fog in a
rainy landscape. 


That's most interesting thing, you've said, Tim. I never thought of 
"realistic soft focus"... I shall have to ponder this a little. This is 
indeed very deep observation... At least to me, right here, right now.



There are some exceptions from this "rule". Some romantic motifs can benefit
from a soft focus effect, especially in high key portraits. Soft focus can
also be an effective way to create spooky effects. The reason for this is
mainly that it is common; there is no logical reason for this. 
What am I saying? Simply that I don't buy the soft effect here. I find it

rather disturbing :-(


I see... No, I wasn't going after "spooky". Absolutely not. I was after 
that passing emotion, the feeling of change, the feeling of transition 
between hot summer and cold winter...



Simply because I like the motif and the composition "under" the softness.
First I do like the background, it is delicate, and suits the leaves. (It is
opposite than my picture, I was going for contrast). I also do like the
colour variations in the leaves. The leaf I see as the main leaf is almost
fresh and green (in left part of frame). I also see some geometric patterns
suggested. There are six yellow leaves in a dice like pattern. (This isn't
quite correct. The upper left leaf isn't one, it is two leaves, but my brain
does see it as the sixth). The green main leaf also has a counterpoint in
right frame. All this makes it a very good composition, IMO. 


Thanks. Ironically, this is just a bunch of leaves having fallen off the 
tree(s) lying on the floor. This shot was taken inside Jerusalem 
University campus where they have this rather special kind of 
pavement... I am not sure what it is, but it is made of square blocks 
that do look rather nice.



My very personal and un-humble opinion is that I hope you place that soft
lens where it belongs, on the top shelf. The shelf you rarely look at, the
one with a lot of dust ;-)


Unhumble is fine... I can take unhumble... I see your point. Although I 
should say - I don't like an idea of my gear collecting dust on some 
remote shelf, you know. If I see a piece of gear that I don't use and I 
realize I may not use it in the future - I'd rather sell it, or even 
give it away.


Conclusion? 
Sorry, none. Can't decide.


Honest and brutal rant over. 
You asked for it, didn't you ;-)


Absolutely. Your time is appreciated...

I should say that if this little photo of mine results in polar 
opinions, it has just a little worth in it. Hmmm, unhumble again ;-).


I am definitely going to keep trying using this lens... I do like soft 
focus every now and then...


Boris

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

Actually, frank, I agree. It disturbs me, although it doesn't make me queasy 
per se.


I like the leaves, the composition, but something about the soft edges 
doesn't work for me. Maybe it makes me feel vision impaired, like I have cataracts 
or poor peripheral vision or something. ;-)


Sorry, Boris, but everyone else likes it, so you can ignore us.


I am not going to ignore you! How dare you even think of such thing?! ;-)

But I am going to keep trying and posting pictures shot with this lens 
in the future...


Thanks for your words, Marnie. I do appreciate them.

Boris

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

Overall I like the composition and the effect of the soft focus. The  
rendering seems a little odd, though ... as if there were too much  
sharpening applied or something.


Godfrey, you're too insightful, you know... I found that various 
sharpening techniques when applied to soft lens image can produce 
unusual results...


Indeed I applied "smart sharpen" filter two or three times here...

So, like I said - you seem to know too much ;-).

Boris

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


This is a better subject for the soft focus effect than the previous
one.  This effect doesn't seem to be nearly the same as a true soft
focus lens - more like an old Kenko filter I had that was a curved
glass with a center hole cut out.  I am seeing a much more distinct
edge in sort of an oval shape around the subject.  To really make it
for me, I would have like to see a smoother, gradual transition.

So for me, pretty good, but not great.


Bruce, this is not "proper soft lens" like in Pentax F 85/2.8 soft, 
no... You're quite right... It has different effect.


Given the chance I am going to try/buy Cokin A-system soft filters and 
try them with my lenses...


I cannot say that I am mad about soft effect, but it has its seasons, if 
you will... These days we have a weather that reminds me of Indian 
Summer - warm, but not hot, rather nice light, lots of yellow (as much 
as we can get in this evergreen land)... This is the time when I feel 
this undeniable urge to go out and take the soft lens with me ;-).


Boris

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


I'm glad that everyone else has said they like it a lot, because it
makes it easier to say what I think about it.

It really bothers me.  Looking at it is very disorienting, and not in
a good way .  It literally makes me feel uneasy when I look at it. 
I don't know why, but it's an actual physical feeling.


Something about the sharpish centre and OOF edges just doesn't work
with me, at least with this photo.

I know, it's ironic that I of all people would feel that way...




That's perfectly fine... It is something I can probably understand. The 
way the corners are soft and slowly become sharper towards the middle of 
the frame can be unsettling.


What more interesting here, is to notice that this is shot on digital. 
Hence what you see is middle part of the frame, Frank. Imagine it was 
full frame size film shot...


Boris

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 11/11/2005 8:20:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm glad that everyone else has said they like it a lot, because it
makes it easier to say what I think about it.

It really bothers me.  Looking at it is very disorienting, and not in
a good way .  It literally makes me feel uneasy when I look at it. 
I don't know why, but it's an actual physical feeling.

Something about the sharpish centre and OOF edges just doesn't work
with me, at least with this photo.

I know, it's ironic that I of all people would feel that way...



-frank
==
Actually, frank, I agree. It disturbs me, although it doesn't make me queasy 
per se.

I like the leaves, the composition, but something about the soft edges 
doesn't work for me. Maybe it makes me feel vision impaired, like I have 
cataracts 
or poor peripheral vision or something. ;-)

Sorry, Boris, but everyone else likes it, so you can ignore us.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 11, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

My very personal and un-humble opinion is that I hope you place  
that soft
lens where it belongs, on the top shelf. The shelf you rarely look  
at, the

one with a lot of dust ;-)


lol ... One of the best soft focus lenses I ever used was an old  
135mm Nikkor that had been sitting on a 'top shelf' where it was  
forgotten, sans lens cap, for a half a dozen years. The front element  
had gotten hazed with a funny, stippled finish from the layers of  
dust that sat on it until I found it and cleaned it off. It produced  
some beautiful, "just enough" softness without robbing the subject  
matter of details.


Godfrey

RE: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Tim Øsleby]

Been seeing a Martin Scorseze (or however it is spelled) documentary about
Bob Dylans early ears. Very interesting. Some good b&w photos too.

To topic:
So, you wonder what Tim might say? So do I ;-)
(I kind of wonder why you wonder, but that’s not important)

I am a bit indecisive here.

There is something with soft focus on this kind of motif. For me, soft focus
has to be "realistic" to be successful. One example is imitating fog in a
rainy landscape. 
There are some exceptions from this "rule". Some romantic motifs can benefit
from a soft focus effect, especially in high key portraits. Soft focus can
also be an effective way to create spooky effects. The reason for this is
mainly that it is common; there is no logical reason for this. 
What am I saying? Simply that I don't buy the soft effect here. I find it
rather disturbing :-(

So why am I indecisive? 

Simply because I like the motif and the composition "under" the softness.
First I do like the background, it is delicate, and suits the leaves. (It is
opposite than my picture, I was going for contrast). I also do like the
colour variations in the leaves. The leaf I see as the main leaf is almost
fresh and green (in left part of frame). I also see some geometric patterns
suggested. There are six yellow leaves in a dice like pattern. (This isn't
quite correct. The upper left leaf isn't one, it is two leaves, but my brain
does see it as the sixth). The green main leaf also has a counterpoint in
right frame. All this makes it a very good composition, IMO. 

My very personal and un-humble opinion is that I hope you place that soft
lens where it belongs, on the top shelf. The shelf you rarely look at, the
one with a lot of dust ;-)

Conclusion? 
Sorry, none. Can't decide.

Honest and brutal rant over. 
You asked for it, didn't you ;-)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11. november 2005 15:29
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: PESO - Fallen Leaves
> 
> Hi!
> 
>  From the shoot with Single Elements Soft lens:
> 
> http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/233209
> 
> Please click on it in order to see it on black...
> 
> I specially wonder what Tim might say... Though of course as usual,
> honest and brutal if need comments are sought after...
> 
> Boris
> 

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Peter McIntosh]

Boris Liberman wrote:


Hi!

From the shoot with Single Elements Soft lens:

http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/233209

Please click on it in order to see it on black...

I specially wonder what Tim might say... Though of course as usual, 
honest and brutal if need comments are sought after...


Boris



I like this alot!  As others have said, it should be worth printing.

Ciao,

Peter in Sydney

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 11, 2005, at 6:29 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:


http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/233209


Overall I like the composition and the effect of the soft focus. The  
rendering seems a little odd, though ... as if there were too much  
sharpening applied or something.


Godfrey

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Boris,

This is a better subject for the soft focus effect than the previous
one.  This effect doesn't seem to be nearly the same as a true soft
focus lens - more like an old Kenko filter I had that was a curved
glass with a center hole cut out.  I am seeing a much more distinct
edge in sort of an oval shape around the subject.  To really make it
for me, I would have like to see a smoother, gradual transition.

So for me, pretty good, but not great.

-- 
Bruce


Friday, November 11, 2005, 6:29:27 AM, you wrote:

BL> Hi!

BL>  From the shoot with Single Elements Soft lens:

BL> http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/233209

BL> Please click on it in order to see it on black...

BL> I specially wonder what Tim might say... Though of course as usual,
BL> honest and brutal if need comments are sought after...

BL> Boris

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[frank theriault]

On 11/11/05, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>  From the shoot with Single Elements Soft lens:
>
> http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/233209
>
> Please click on it in order to see it on black...
>
> I specially wonder what Tim might say... Though of course as usual,
> honest and brutal if need comments are sought after...

I'm glad that everyone else has said they like it a lot, because it
makes it easier to say what I think about it.

It really bothers me.  Looking at it is very disorienting, and not in
a good way .  It literally makes me feel uneasy when I look at it. 
I don't know why, but it's an actual physical feeling.

Something about the sharpish centre and OOF edges just doesn't work
with me, at least with this photo.

I know, it's ironic that I of all people would feel that way...



-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


Boris, I like it very much. Not "just another autumn pic", the soft
image works very well to create the mood of tranquility and autumn-ness.

By the way, it is shot with only the front or only the back lens of the
Helios 44K lens? I have tried to modify yesterday an Industar that I use
for paperweight but without success.


Luben, mine is front element monocle... What is important to notice is 
that (at least for K-mount version of Helios 44 lens) once you leave 
only front element, it seems you loose close focus... And infinity 
happens to fall somewhere in the middle of the lens focusing range... 
So, my monocle uses Pentax extension ring #1 (the smallest one) in order 
to regain some of the close focus.


Thanks for your kind words.

Boris

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[luben karavelov]

Boris Liberman wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> From the shoot with Single Elements Soft lens:
> 
> http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/233209
> 
> Please click on it in order to see it on black...
> 
> I specially wonder what Tim might say... Though of course as usual,
> honest and brutal if need comments are sought after...
> 

Boris, I like it very much. Not "just another autumn pic", the soft
image works very well to create the mood of tranquility and autumn-ness.

By the way, it is shot with only the front or only the back lens of the
Helios 44K lens? I have tried to modify yesterday an Industar that I use
for paperweight but without success.

Great pic
luben

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[wendy beard]

On 11/11/05, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>  From the shoot with Single Elements Soft lens:
>
> http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/233209
>

Brilliant, Boris.
I like it a lot.

--
Wendy Beard
Ottawa
Canada

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[Boros Attila]

Hello Boris,

Friday, November 11, 2005, 4:29:27 PM, you wrote:

BL> Hi!

BL>  From the shoot with Single Elements Soft lens:

BL> http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/233209

BL> Please click on it in order to see it on black...

This is a beautiful image, soft focus works very well with this
subject. I wouldn't change a thing. Frame it:)

Attila

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaves

[John Bailey]

I would hang it on my wall.  - John

--- Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi!
> 
>  From the shoot with Single Elements Soft lens:
> 
> http://www.photoforum.ru/photo/233209
> 
> Please click on it in order to see it on black...
> 
> I specially wonder what Tim might say... Though of
> course as usual, 
> honest and brutal if need comments are sought
> after...
> 
> Boris
> 
> 

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Rob Studdert]

On 23 Oct 2005 at 20:23, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> On second thought, the Grome work may not have been all that difficult 
> to execute. The colors are probably the result of reversal or perhaps 
> cross processing, and the various objects were probably shot on a light 
> box.

Yes and the images I saw were displayed as back-lit chromes quite large (Derby 
might have seen them at some stage, they were at the Longrain restaurant 
http://www.longrain.com.au/), the edges were poor (badly defined) and they 
weren't as sharp as the size, presentation and subject type really should 
demand.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Paul Stenquist]

On second thought, the Grome work may not have been all that difficult 
to execute. The colors are probably the result of reversal or perhaps 
cross processing, and the various objects were probably shot on a light 
box.

Paul
On Oct 23, 2005, at 7:27 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:


On 23 Oct 2005 at 7:12, Paul Stenquist wrote:


I How it was created is, and always should be, totally irrelevant.


It should be and I expect that you'd apply this to most photography as 
would I.
However many "artists" seemingly don't feel this way. On the weekend I 
saw some

art that was interesting but not stunning and a web address was pretty
prominently displayed on the works so I of course I decided to check 
out the
site. Each to their own I guess but the attitude of this particular 
artist and

his merry band of supporters is contrary to my perspectives.

You can see it at: http://www.renatogrome.com/  (beware it's a flash 
site)


Specifically check out the last paragraph in the "Artists Statements" 
> Wisdom

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks for the link. Some very nice work, although, as I continued on 
through the gallery I began to feel that  the technique was leading to 
a certain redundancy. The fact that it was all done in camera is quite 
remarkable, but I don't think it makes it superior to the same type of 
thing done in post. Either method requires skill and vision. Doing it 
in camera is certainly much more difficult. To my mind that doesn't 
necessarily make it better. And in that it probably took a long time to 
master this one technique, it might even encourage repetition. But I 
find the work interesting and artistic in any case.

Paul
On Oct 23, 2005, at 7:27 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:


On 23 Oct 2005 at 7:12, Paul Stenquist wrote:


I How it was created is, and always should be, totally irrelevant.


It should be and I expect that you'd apply this to most photography as 
would I.
However many "artists" seemingly don't feel this way. On the weekend I 
saw some

art that was interesting but not stunning and a web address was pretty
prominently displayed on the works so I of course I decided to check 
out the
site. Each to their own I guess but the attitude of this particular 
artist and

his merry band of supporters is contrary to my perspectives.

You can see it at: http://www.renatogrome.com/  (beware it's a flash 
site)


Specifically check out the last paragraph in the "Artists Statements" 
> Wisdom

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Rob Studdert]

On 23 Oct 2005 at 7:12, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> I How it was created is, and always should be, totally irrelevant.

It should be and I expect that you'd apply this to most photography as would I. 
However many "artists" seemingly don't feel this way. On the weekend I saw some 
art that was interesting but not stunning and a web address was pretty 
prominently displayed on the works so I of course I decided to check out the 
site. Each to their own I guess but the attitude of this particular artist and 
his merry band of supporters is contrary to my perspectives.

You can see it at: http://www.renatogrome.com/  (beware it's a flash site)

Specifically check out the last paragraph in the "Artists Statements" > Wisdom 
Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Rob Studdert]

On 23 Oct 2005 at 15:27, Glen wrote:

> You impress me as someone who should not step into a modern art gallery 
> without a personal defibrillator.  :)

I often get the impression when I visit modern galleries that the artists are 
simply into shock and awe. I know it might sound a touch cynical but often I 
read some displays as if the artists are saying I dared to call this art, I 
managed dupe the public purse to secure a grant and conned a gallery to hang 
it. I've seen some truly utter crap on gallery walls over the years.

I'm not dumping on Shel here but just because something made it to a gallery 
doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to be nourishing or meaningful to 
anyone but the artist.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


Some day I'd love to give you a Rorschach test, Boris ;-))


I hate to say it, but I have to ask for explanation.

Boris

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

You impress me as someone who should not step into a modern art gallery 
without a personal defibrillator.  :)


It amazes me that Shel's simply elegant image of a singular festive 
autumn leaf would drain you of so much of your energy. By the time you 
see some of the truly depressing work in some modern art galleries, you 
will really need that defibrillator.  ;)


Glen, I think I can say that out loud :-), I don't visit a gallery if I 
know it presents the art created after impressionist period (early 20th 
century)... I simply don't understand modern art. I went few times to 
exhibitions (well forced myself to go)... I went out deeply disturbed 
and confused...


I like classical paintings and impressionist paintings... Impressionism 
is my favorite style. It is simply so airy, so light, so alive...


I think the WWII still has its impact on the art.

Well, I did notice the smileys, but I think you deserved a more serious 
answer.


Boris (who can only guess what defibrillator is without googling it)

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Shel Belinkoff]

Some day I'd love to give you a Rorschach test, Boris ;-))

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Boris Liberman

..> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/fallenleaf.html
..> I'm in the digital doldrums ...

> I don't know what "doldrum" is... But I feel very stuck, very bored, 
> very dry, very muse-less looking at this image... It is as if you were 
> trying to say - "I am stuck, I cannot move forward..."
>
> I cannot say if I like it or not, I just feel what I wrote above...
>
> It is definitely not your usual, more jovial, happier work...

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Glen]

At 03:07 PM 10/23/2005, Boris Liberman wrote:

I don't know what "doldrum" is... But I feel very stuck, very bored, very 
dry, very muse-less looking at this image... It is as if you were trying 
to say - "I am stuck, I cannot move forward..."


Hi Boris,

You impress me as someone who should not step into a modern art gallery 
without a personal defibrillator.  :)


It amazes me that Shel's simply elegant image of a singular festive autumn 
leaf would drain you of so much of your energy. By the time you see some of 
the truly depressing work in some modern art galleries, you will really 
need that defibrillator.  ;)



take care,
Glen

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/fallenleaf.html

Saw it, snapped it, Photoshopped it 

I'm in the digital doldrums ...


I don't know what "doldrum" is... But I feel very stuck, very bored, 
very dry, very muse-less looking at this image... It is as if you were 
trying to say - "I am stuck, I cannot move forward..."


I cannot say if I like it or not, I just feel what I wrote above...

It is definitely not your usual, more jovial, happier work...

Boris

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[P. J. Alling]

Wait a minute, it's Cotty, I'd expect he be waiting with worms in his 
mouth...


Bob W wrote:


Cotty,

I think you probably mean 'bated breath'. Otherwise your breath would smell
of maggots and dead fish... 


...or haloumi:

"Cotty, having swallowed cheese,
Directs down holes the scented breeze,
Enticing thus with baited breath
Nice mice to an untimely death." ---Geoffrey Taylor (mostly)

--
Cheers,
Bob 

 


-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 23 October 2005 09:30

To: pentax list
Subject: Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

On 22/10/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:

   

No, you get a more detailed reply when I can get around to 
 

it.  Other 
   

replies were short and sweet ... I've been away all day - 
 

just got back 
   


a little while ago.

BTW, you were not the ~one~ dissenting voice.
 


Apologies. I await with baited breath!




Cheers,
 Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_





   




 




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When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[frank theriault]

On 10/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>

> I'm drunk, so carry on

habs won, leafs lost.  drinks of celebration?

-frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[frank theriault]

On 10/21/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/fallenleaf.html
>
> Saw it, snapped it, Photoshopped it 
>
> I'm in the digital doldrums ...

very pretty and poignant.

looks like "a godfrey" 

saw some beautiful leaves in the rain yesterday, but was quite sad i
had no camera with me.

-frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Paul Stenquist]

I'll speak to Cotty's remarks on this pic, knowing full well that my 
comments may in know way relate to Shel's feelings about his shot. 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I sensed that one of Cotty's objections 
was that this kind of color against BW background thing has been done 
before. As I read his comment, I couldn't help but think,"yeah, of 
course it has." As have portraits, pictures of people on the street, 
nudes illuminatted by candlelight , motion blur shots of people in 
activities, etc." Very little of what we do is blazingly original. Yet 
we normally commend work that repeats what has been done before with a 
certain level of artistry. I think this picture falls nicely into that 
category. In fact, it shows some elements of composition that I don't 
specifically recall having seen before. So, in fact, I would say it is 
more original than the majority of the work seen here. It is also quite 
pleasant to view. Those two things make it a winner in my book. How it 
was created is, and always should be, totally irrelevant.

Paul
On Oct 23, 2005, at 12:07 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


No, you get a more detailed reply when I can get around to it.  Other
replies were short and sweet ... I've been away all day - just got 
back a

little while ago.

BTW, you were not the ~one~ dissenting voice.

Shel



[Original Message]
From: Cotty



I'm somewhat amused by Shel replying to everyone else who commented on
this pic, except me (the one dissenting voice).

Irony?

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Cotty]

On 23/10/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty,
>
>I think you probably mean 'bated breath'. Otherwise your breath would smell
>of maggots and dead fish... 
>
>...or haloumi:
>
>"Cotty, having swallowed cheese,
>Directs down holes the scented breeze,
>Enticing thus with baited breath
>Nice mice to an untimely death." ---Geoffrey Taylor (mostly)

Thanks Bob,

I just slept for about 9 hours - the longest in weeks. I'm still dopey
(and always will be :-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

RE: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Bob W]

Cotty,

I think you probably mean 'bated breath'. Otherwise your breath would smell
of maggots and dead fish... 

...or haloumi:

"Cotty, having swallowed cheese,
Directs down holes the scented breeze,
Enticing thus with baited breath
Nice mice to an untimely death." ---Geoffrey Taylor (mostly)

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 23 October 2005 09:30
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf
> 
> On 22/10/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >No, you get a more detailed reply when I can get around to 
> it.  Other 
> >replies were short and sweet ... I've been away all day - 
> just got back 
> >a little while ago.
> >
> >BTW, you were not the ~one~ dissenting voice.
> 
> Apologies. I await with baited breath!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Cotty]

On 22/10/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:

>No, you get a more detailed reply when I can get around to it.  Other
>replies were short and sweet ... I've been away all day - just got back a
>little while ago.
>
>BTW, you were not the ~one~ dissenting voice.

Apologies. I await with baited breath!




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[brooksdj]

Shel
 it Loved it.

Weither Shel manipulate this to much is notn the question.
I'm drunk, so carry on

Dave



> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/fallenleaf.html
> 
> Saw it, snapped it, Photoshopped it 
> 
> I'm in the digital doldrums ...
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Shel Belinkoff]

No, you get a more detailed reply when I can get around to it.  Other
replies were short and sweet ... I've been away all day - just got back a
little while ago.

BTW, you were not the ~one~ dissenting voice.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Cotty 

> I'm somewhat amused by Shel replying to everyone else who commented on
> this pic, except me (the one dissenting voice).
>
> Irony?

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Cotty]

I'm somewhat amused by Shel replying to everyone else who commented on
this pic, except me (the one dissenting voice).

Irony?




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[skye]

that was my thought too -- 90 degrees counter clockwise.

On 10/22/05, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like the shot, and it's you vision but my opinion is that it would
> look better as a vertical, but that's just me.
>
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> >http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/fallenleaf.html
> >

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[P. J. Alling]

I like the shot, and it's you vision but my opinion is that it would 
look better as a vertical, but that's just me.


Shel Belinkoff wrote:


http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/fallenleaf.html

Saw it, snapped it, Photoshopped it 

I'm in the digital doldrums ...

Shel 




 




--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[P. J. Alling]

How can Cotty, Mr. Digiman himself be an anti digital snob, that's my 
question.


Glen wrote:


At 06:43 PM 10/21/2005, Cotty wrote:


On 21/10/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/fallenleaf.html
>
>Saw it, snapped it, Photoshopped it 
>
>I'm in the digital doldrums ...

These types of pics do nothing for me.

I've never even tried doing one - it's never interested me, and 
certainly

not just because I got a digital camera.

That's not to say that people shouldn't go ahead and experiment with
digital, especially as it effectively costs nothing to shoot the pixels.




Okay, this is starting to confuse me slightly. What is so "digital" 
about the essence of this image? This could have actually been shot on 
film for all I know. (That is, if Shel hadn't told us otherwise.)


I like the composition. I like the colors. I don't find any fault with 
this image at all.


Are you sure that you aren't engaging in just a wee bit of 
anti-digital snobbery, especially since Shel mentioned the use of 
Photoshop? I've noticed that some people on this list seem to cringe 
at the mention of that program. Many of these same people probably 
admire the works of famous photographers who made their own 
meticulously prepared B&W prints. If one understands the amount of 
manipulation that often went into much of the traditional classic B&W 
printing, how could they look down on Photoshop? That program does the 
same sorts of tricks that people have done in darkrooms for many, many 
years. There really isn't too much that can be done in Photoshop, 
which can't be done the old fashioned way.


Shel, I like your latest image, even if you and Cotty don't.  ;)


take care,
Glen





--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Shel Belinkoff]

Base on the opinions of some of my pics, I might do very well ;-))

It's been on the back burner to get over to the Emeryville store.  Someone
mentioned that they have an interesting stock of Scandinavian food, with a
specific reference to herring ;-))

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 

> IKEA markets decor art, in the form of graphics and photographs in  
> large format, poster-quality prints. It's actually a great market to  
> try to get into as a photographer ... hard to get in, of course, but  
> they order accepted images in large volumes, printed on low cost,  
> high production printing engines to a reasonable quality standard. I  
> know a couple of guys who make a hefty chunk of money selling a photo  
> to business like this.
>
> Might be worth stopping into the Emeryville IKEA store (on a weekday  
> morning to avoid the crowds... ;-) and poking around, Shel.

Re: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

IKEA markets decor art, in the form of graphics and photographs in  
large format, poster-quality prints. It's actually a great market to  
try to get into as a photographer ... hard to get in, of course, but  
they order accepted images in large volumes, printed on low cost,  
high production printing engines to a reasonable quality standard. I  
know a couple of guys who make a hefty chunk of money selling a photo  
to business like this.


Might be worth stopping into the Emeryville IKEA store (on a weekday  
morning to avoid the crowds... ;-) and poking around, Shel.


Godfrey

On Oct 22, 2005, at 8:50 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


IKEA means something to me.  I know it's a furniture and more store.
There's one about 10 miles from my house.  It was the reference to  
the IKEA
~poster~  that I didn't understand.  I've never been inside an IKEA  
store,
never seen their wares, and certainly am unfamiliar with their  
posters.

RE: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Malcolm Smith]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> IKEA means something to me.  I know it's a furniture and more store. 
> There's one about 10 miles from my house.  It was the 
> reference to the IKEA ~poster~  that I didn't understand.  
> I've never been inside an IKEA store, never seen their wares, 
> and certainly am unfamiliar with their posters.

They recently built a new store a few miles from me. I was somewhat amused
to see most of it come flat packed. I hope the instructions were easy to
read.

Malcolm

RE: PESO - Fallen Leaf

[Shel Belinkoff]

IKEA means something to me.  I know it's a furniture and more store. 
There's one about 10 miles from my house.  It was the reference to the IKEA
~poster~  that I didn't understand.  I've never been inside an IKEA store,
never seen their wares, and certainly am unfamiliar with their posters.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Tim Øsleby 


> I'll try to explain my IKEA referanse. 
> IKEA is one of the kings in furniture. 
> Google is our friend: A look at http://www.ikea.com/ will give you an
idea.
> It is huge. It is global. So I assumed it meant something to you. Anyway,
> they do make nice and reasonable prized furniture. My bookshelves, and
some
> of my lamps, are IKEA ;-)
>
> They do design, manufacture and sell "Scandinavian modern style furniture
> and accessories" (this is the META-text at their global homepage).
>  
> Among other things they do make posters. Some of them are "artsy" in a
quite
> nice way. But as you may already have guessed, they are designed to be
hung
> at walls in an "average" modern family. In other words; it is pleasant to
> look at, very "politically correct" and non provocative. 
>
> BTW. I have bought some IKEA posters myself at work. I think they are Ok,
> but not my personal taste most of them.

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/fallenleaf.html