Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?

[James Gregory]

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 16:23 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:12, Del wrote:
> > Howard Lowndes wrote:
> > > The subject asks the question.
> > > 
> > 
> > I like vmware but you need more ram.  I've had win4lin working OK
> > though.  Horses for courses.
> 
> I find vmware pathetically slow.  Beside which you need full Windows

You'll need a copy of Windows for Win4Lin. It also doesn't do a full
emulation like VMWare does. So while it's faster it also won't let you
run anything newer than Windows 98 (I believe this is because of MMU
stuff, but I don't actually know that much about this kinda thing so I'm
likely telling you complete lies on that. Does anyone know more?

You might want to look into qemu:

http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/

Which can run Windows 98 according to this page:

http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ossupport.html

I've been tinkering with it over the last few weeks. I've not tried to
install windows on it, but the claim that it's fast is justified. The
really nice thing (to me) is that when the OS inside the virtual machine
is idling, the host system isn't burning cycles emulating the idleness.
I think that's awesome.

Win4Lin will be less setup time though. The installer worked first time
for me the last time I tried it.

HTH,

James.

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Re: [SLUG] Wine & MYOB

[Howard Lowndes]

I went down the "install on Windows and copy across" path.

_Almost_ all of MYOB gets installed in its own directory, just a couple
of ini files in the Windows dir., but it did need a Windows dll which I
had to copy across as well.

Anyway I got it started with several repeats of an error message, but it
still isn't fully there yet, so I guess I might have to fork out for
win4lin.


On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 11:49, James Gregory wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 22:25 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> > This was visited in the archives about 3 years ago with subscribers
> > saying that it works, but I don't believe them.  I can't even get it to
> > install.
> 
> Well, the version from 3 years ago probably does work.
> 
> I had to visit this problem recently at work. I'll tell you where I'm
> at.
> 
> First of all, the installshield stuff is very difficult to persuade to
> work (there's a million workarounds but I personally don't have the
> patience). In the case of MYOB in particular this isn't too problematic
> though because MYOB installs almost all of its files in its own
> directory -- it doesn't leave garbage throughout /winnt.
> 
> I suggest installing on a windows box and copying it over. I use the
> "find files created in the last day" thing to locate all the files it
> created.
> 
> > OK, so perhaps I should be trying to use an installed system, but how do
> > I know what files I need in my various parts of the wine filesystem?
> 
> The find files thing works well. The other option is to use a dependency
> walker. There's a well known one, but I don't remember what it's called.
> 
> I guess I may be at an advantage on this because I only boot my windows
> machine for doing this kind of thing -- files created in the last day
> were *definitely* from the installer for me.
> 
> > 
> > I really need to get this one going as it is the last link in getting a
> > client totally off M$ and onto Linux 100%.  Everything else is doable
> > with OS apps except for MYOB (I know about SQL-Ledger, I use it myself,
> > but I am trying to make the change appear as minimal to the client as
> > possible).
> 
> Ok. So I managed to get MYOB PowerPay to work relatively easily. That's
> the cut down version that just does payroll. I have not yet been able to
> get the current version of MYOB Premier to work. It looks a lot like
> PowerPay uses an older version of the MYOB "engine". If you can run a
> slightly older version of MYOB (I don't know if this is possible in your
> circumstances), you'll likely improve your chances of success
> considerably.
> 
> Which version do you need to run? I strongly suggest copying a windows
> installation and see what errors you get then. If you can do that and
> post to the list, I'll take a look and see if I can suggest anything.
> There's some traces that would be helpful in debugging as well, but see
> how you go.
> 
> HTH (though it probably didn't)
> 
> James.
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Re: [SLUG] Python recommendations, please.

[Andrew Bennetts]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 03:54:23PM +1000, Bill Bennett wrote:
> I want to teach myself Python. Can anyone recommend a
> good textbook, please?

I've heard good things about O'Reilly's _Learning Python_.  There are some
very positive reviews on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596002815/103-2312080-4367835?v=glance
And a sample chapter on the O'Reilly site:
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lpython2/

For a different angle on learning Python and its idioms, the _Python
Cookbook_ is pretty good.  It has extensive discussion at the start of each
chapter and also for every recipe, you could learn a lot about Python,
although maybe at the risk of missing some basics.  Anyway, Amazon reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596001673/103-2312080-4367835?v=glance
O'Reilly page, with sample chapter:
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pythoncook/

There are lots of good resources on the web, though:
- Python.org's Tutorial: 
  http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html
- Dive Into Python:
  http://diveintopython.org/
  (online version at http://diveintopython.org/toc/index.html)
- How to Think Like a Computer Scientist
  http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/

I'd strongly recommend trying these web tutorials first -- you'll probably
find they're good enough that you won't need to spend money on a book.

Regardless of what you learn from, you'll almost certainly need to regularly
refer to the Python Library Reference:
http://docs.python.org/lib/lib.html
Although I read it at file:///usr/share/doc/python/html/lib/index.html,
thanks to Debian's python-doc package.

> Also, there's a Python interest group somewhere, isn't
> there?

There was, although it hasn't been active for a long time.  The meetings
were organised by Mary Gardiner, and no-one took over that work when she
started Honours.  The talks should still be available on
http://pig.slug.org.au/.

-Andrew.

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Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?

[Howard Lowndes]

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:12, Del wrote:
> Howard Lowndes wrote:
> > The subject asks the question.
> > 
> 
> I like vmware but you need more ram.  I've had win4lin working OK
> though.  Horses for courses.

I find vmware pathetically slow.  Beside which you need full Windows
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Re: [SLUG] Python recommendations, please.

[Mary Gardiner]

Did you mean to set your reply-to to slug@

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004, Bill Bennett wrote:
> Well, I live in Armidale.
> 
> I'll be happy if I can simply ask someone about anything that comes
> up.

I don't know of any groups local to you.

Within Australia, there's a python-au list:
http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/python-au but they've tended
to discourage discussion of Python that doesn't somehow relate to
Python-in-Australasia, which means they're basically limited to
announcements of user-group meetings and the like.

I don't know of any Python (or programming in general) groups in
Australia that have a general purpose "ask some stuff" list. SLUG would
be able to help.

Internationally, comp.lang.python is meant to be OK, although it's high
traffic (looks like it's in the "hundred or so mails per day" range).
It's mirrored to a mailing list:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list , you could get it
through your mail reader, news reader, Google Groups, or the archives.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Python recommendations, please.

[Mary Gardiner]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004, Bill Bennett wrote:
> Also, there's a Python interest group somewhere, isn't there?

We had one in Sydney in 2002-2003, but I haven't organised any meetings
since then.

http://pig.slug.org.au/

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[SLUG] Python recommendations, please.

[Bill Bennett]

I want to teach myself Python. Can anyone recommend a
good textbook, please?

The last book I used to teach myself a language was
ideal. It had for every chapter:---

a) an introduction to the topic
b) some history
c) examples of what was being introduced
d) problems, problems, problems.
e) answers to some problems considered particularly low

I know this sounds like *every* textbook. But people who
think that haven't read Grokking the Gimp.

Also, there's a Python interest group somewhere, isn't
there?

Regards,

Bill Bennett.


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Re: [SLUG] qustion about audacity.

[Malik Jayawardena]

Hey Bill,

What kind of file is it and how was it recorded?


Bill Bennett wrote:

  Many thanks for the reply.

I'm a bit puzzled about something here.

The disk is a radio programme that contains (a) chat and
(b) music. I want the (b).

The disk holds one (giant) file that, I guess, I'll have
to upload from the CD reader.

Why can't I just use cp (ie., copy)

Regards,

Bill.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 03:36:09PM +1000, Malik Jayawardena spake thusly:
=+-> Hi Bill.
=+-> 
=+-> It's just saying your soundcard doesn't support 96khz sampling...
=+-> 
=+-> "HW does not support 96000 Hz sample rate"
=+-> HW = Hardware
=+-> 
=+-> "closest = 46790"
=+-> You soundcard probably only goes up to 46.7Khz
=+-> 
=+-> Do you have SB Live! or something to that effect? I think the Audigy's 
=+-> support 96khz.
=+-> 
=+-> This should not effect Audacity *if* the file you wish to work on/record is 
=+-> be at a lower rate.
=+-> 
=+-> Is the soundfile you're working on 96khz? What was it recorded on? If it 
=+-> is, you might have to convert it down to 44.1Khz.
=+-> 
=+-> I know you can convert the sample rate in the later Audacity versions, 
=+-> but I'm not sure it will allow you to load it at all if your sample
=+-> rate is higher than what your hardware supports. If it doesn't you may 
=+-> need to drop the sample rate down on the hardware it was originally 
=+-> recorded on before loading it in to Audacity.
=+-> 
=+-> Good luck,
=+-> - Mal
=+-> 
=+-> 
=+-> 
=+-> 
=+-> 
=+-> Bill Bennett wrote:
=+-> 
=+-> >I've installed audacity to edit a couple of files that
=+-> >contain chat *and* music.
=+-> >
=+-> >It's trying to tell me something.
=+-> >
=+-> >I append the error message.
=+-> >
=+-> >Can anyone help? More to the point, can anyone suggest a
=+-> >fix?
=+-> >
=+-> >Regards,
=+-> >
=+-> >Bill Bennett.
=+-> >
=+-> >The error message:---
=+-> >
=+-> >Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: warning - requested sample rate = 96000 Hz - closest 
=+-> >= 46790
=+-> >Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: HW does not support 96000 Hz sample rate
=+-> >Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: warning - requested sample rate = 96000 Hz - closest 
=+-> >= 46790
=+-> >Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: HW does not support 96000 Hz sample rate
=+-> > 
=+-> >
=+-> 
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Re: [SLUG] Firebird Google search to do Australia?

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On 15/07/2004 at 1:29 PM vernon wrote:

>edit google.src 
>its found in /path/to/firefox/searchplugins/
>
>edit  this line
>action="http://www.google.com/search";
>too look like
>action="http://www.google.com.au/search";
>


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Re: [SLUG] qustion about audacity.

[Malik Jayawardena]

Hi Bill.

It's just saying your soundcard doesn't support 96khz sampling...
"HW does not support 96000 Hz sample rate"
HW = Hardware

"closest = 46790"
You soundcard probably only goes up to 46.7Khz

Do you have SB Live! or something to that effect? I think the Audigy's support 96khz.

This should not effect Audacity *if* the file you wish to work on/record is be at a lower rate.

Is the soundfile you're working on 96khz? What was it recorded on? If
it is, you might have to convert it down to 44.1Khz. 

I know you can convert the sample rate in the later Audacity versions,
but I'm not sure it will allow you to load it at all if your sample 
rate is higher than what your hardware supports. If it doesn't you may
need to drop the sample rate down on the hardware it was originally
recorded on before loading it in to Audacity.

Good luck,
- Mal





Bill Bennett wrote:

  I've installed audacity to edit a couple of files that
contain chat *and* music.

It's trying to tell me something.

I append the error message.

Can anyone help? More to the point, can anyone suggest a
fix?

Regards,

Bill Bennett.

The error message:---

Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: warning - requested sample rate = 96000 Hz - closest = 46790
Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: HW does not support 96000 Hz sample rate
Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: warning - requested sample rate = 96000 Hz - closest = 46790
Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: HW does not support 96000 Hz sample rate
  



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[SLUG] qustion about audacity.

[Bill Bennett]

I've installed audacity to edit a couple of files that
contain chat *and* music.

It's trying to tell me something.

I append the error message.

Can anyone help? More to the point, can anyone suggest a
fix?

Regards,

Bill Bennett.

The error message:---

Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: warning - requested sample rate = 96000 Hz - closest = 46790
Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: HW does not support 96000 Hz sample rate
Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: warning - requested sample rate = 96000 Hz - closest = 46790
Pa_SetupDeviceFormat: HW does not support 96000 Hz sample rate
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Re: [SLUG] Firebird Google search to do Australia?

[Peter Hardy]

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 12:08, Terry Collins wrote:
> Ankur Kotwal wrote:
> > 
> > Type "about:config" in the Url. Have a look at the value for
> > "browser.search.defaulturl". You can edit the url to enforce a site:au
> > on every search.
> 
> Thanks
> Hmm, must be something else affecting as well.
> I've edited that, restarted firebird/fox  and it has been retained, but
> still the searches are google.com

I'm fairly sure that just affects which search engine is used when you
type random words in to the address bar.

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Re: [SLUG] Firebird Google search to do Australia?

[vernon]

edit google.src 
its found in /path/to/firefox/searchplugins/

edit  this line
action="http://www.google.com/search";
too look like
action="http://www.google.com.au/search";

AND
add this line to the end of all the 's


eg.

# Mozilla/Google plug-in by [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.google.com.au/search";
   update="http://www.google.com/mozilla/google.src";
   updateCheckDays=1
   queryEncoding="utf-8"
   queryCharset="utf-8"
>















On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:43:00 +1000, Terry Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyon know how to change the google search panle in Firebird/fire
> fox to search Australian web pages first? I fscked if I want to wade
> through piles of US tripe.
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Re: Need to be root to install plugins. was Re: [SLUG] FirebirdGooglesearch to do Australia?

[Michael Lake]

On 07/15/04 11:05, Michael Lake wrote:
I could not find any option in the preferences to tell it to install 
plugins into its own directory .firefix/plugins. I do not intend to 
login as root and install plugins.
Peter Hardy wrote:
A lot of extensions have the option of installing globally or in a 
user's home directory. It's a shame the search plugins don't. In fact, 
I think I'm going to go file a bug.
Too late!
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123315
Oh thanks for looking that up. I read the bug thread and it looks like 
its being attended too as its a problem on Win2000 as well. Im surprised 
though that the developers expected that extensions would be installed 
as root. Given that mozilla has just had a potential exploit I'd hope 
that the Firefox and Moziila programmers are taking the security asepcts 
of plugins/extensions carefully. If they install in the users home area 
then damage is minimised if you download a trojan.

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Re: [SLUG] disruptive technology wrt54g

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:02 am, Simon Males wrote:

> Which I understand is just a little bit quicker for 802.11g devices. If
> this device is linux device, that means that there IS 802.11g support
> for linux ?

Yes, It is based on the Broadcom chip.  Cheapest price I have found retail in 
Australia in $150.  (Froogle USD62) 

There are a number of Linux distros / firmware  for the box including openwrt 
and sveasoft.com.

Conceptually  openwrt is similar to Debian with a small base system and 
indiviual functions made into packages in a format called ipkg.  Sveasoft 
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Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?

[James Gregory]

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 05:41 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> The subject asks the question.

In my mind, WINE is a better solution *if* you can get it to work for
what you need to do. My reasons for saying that essentially boil down to
the fact that you get better integration with the host OS by virtue of
it making your windows applications appear as normal apps. The windows
filesystem is just a directory on your host box. There's less disk space
required. You see your windows processes in ps, top etc, and you can do
all the normal things to them (renice them, kill them etc)

Win4Lin is a different beast. The last time I looked at it I was very
impressed with it, and even though it isn't free, it is a product I
recommend. If you happen to run mandrake you even get the advantage of
kernels built with the Win4Lin patches in them -- though you need to
select that particular kernel (it's not the defaut).

I look forward to the day that I can unequivocally recommend WINE for
all your Windows needs, but we're not there yet.

James.

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Re: [SLUG] Firebird Google search to do Australia?

[Terry Collins]

Ankur Kotwal wrote:
> 
> Type "about:config" in the Url. Have a look at the value for
> "browser.search.defaulturl". You can edit the url to enforce a site:au
> on every search.

Thanks
Hmm, must be something else affecting as well.
I've edited that, restarted firebird/fox  and it has been retained, but
still the searches are google.com


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[SLUG] disruptive technology wrt54g

[Simon Males]

In the last 10 minutes I have almost completly giving up on the idea of 
building my own router out of a Mini ITX system (in attempt to learn 
iptables), where I can save a bit of money and time go out and buy a the 
famous WRT54G, the thing is... it has a cousin for ~$50 more called WRT54GS

Which I understand is just a little bit quicker for 802.11g devices. If 
this device is linux device, that means that there IS 802.11g support 
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Re: Need to be root to install plugins. was Re: [SLUG] Firebird Googlesearch to do Australia?

[Ian Wienand]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 11:05:26AM +1000, Michael Lake wrote:
> I just installed Firefox yesterday on my PowerBook and when I go to 
> install plugins it just crashes and exits.

Firefox 0.8 has a problem on Power where installing any extension will
just crash.  Firefox 0.9 is in unstable now (assuming you use Debian)
so install that and you'll be right.

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Re: [SLUG] Samba Node Name

[Luke Yelavich]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 11:37:03AM EST, Peter Rundle wrote:
> Sluggers,
> 
> does anyone know if it's possible to override the nodename that appears 
> in the network neighbourhood for a samba server?

In global, add the following
netbios name = server-name-here

This is from looking at my smb.conf file on my Samba server.

hth

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[SLUG] Samba Node Name

[Peter Rundle]

Sluggers,
does anyone know if it's possible to override the nodename that appears 
in the network neighbourhood for a samba server?

Server string in smb.conf changes the description, but what about the 
actual node name?

Cheers
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Re: [SLUG] kvm required

[Andrew Monkhouse]

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 Lester Cheung wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:11:42AM +1000, Ken Foskey wrote:
> > On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 23:10, Simon Males wrote:
> > > I just need a rant for a KVM. When i im at home i wish to use standard 
> > > keyboard/mouse and screen which will be shared by my desktop and laptop.
> > > 
> > > The kvm will require USB ports as my laptop cannot take PS2. I've had a 
> > > quick browse, and kvm's are not exactly cheap :(
> > 
> > Why do you want a kvm at all?
> > 
> > I use my laptop to 'X -query mydesktop' to connect within my home lan. 
> > Works a treat.  The alternative is to ssh in with the -x option.
> 
> Synergy maybe just for you. :)
> Debian package in proper...

I only use my KVM when I need access to the physical machine (usually when 
booting a machine and I therefore can't get networked access). The rest of 
the time I find VNC works perfectly getting me to any of the other 
computers I need to access, and is often better than using the KVM - I can 
easily work on multiple desktops, swapping between them as required.

I have found problems with my KVM and Windows 2000 and ghosting. Using 
exactly the same computer and monitor and resolution and refresh rate in 
Windows 2000 and X Windows System - the Windows 2000 display will have 
ghost images, but X does not. No idea why this is. It is a cheap KVM, but 
I would expect it to have the same problem in both OSes with the same 
hardware and configuration.

Regards, Andrew

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Re: Need to be root to install plugins. was Re: [SLUG] Firebird Googlesearch to do Australia?

[Peter Hardy]

On 07/15/04 11:17, Peter Hardy wrote:
On 07/15/04 11:05, Michael Lake wrote:
I could not find any option in the preferences to tell it to install 
plugins into its own directory .firefix/plugins. I do not intend to 
login as root and install plugins.

A lot of extensions have the option of installing globally or in a 
user's home directory. It's a shame the search plugins don't. In fact, I 
think I'm going to go file a bug.
Too late!
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123315
In the meantime, though, I guess you could try grabbing 
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/plugins/googleAU.src and putting that in a 
searchplugins directory under your homedir.
Er, read that as "under your local firefox dir". Or somesuch.
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Re: Need to be root to install plugins. was Re: [SLUG] Firebird Googlesearch to do Australia?

[Peter Hardy]

On 07/15/04 11:05, Michael Lake wrote:
Peter Hardy wrote:
You can install a firefox search plugin:
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/quick/google.html ,  grep for Australia, 
click the linky thing. You need to be root to install plugins. And 
yes, the 

I just installed Firefox yesterday on my PowerBook and when I go to 
install plugins it just crashes and exits. So perhaps thats the problem; 
 it is trying to install into /usr/share/firefox/plugins.
On my x86 deebian box firefox doesn't crash. It behaves exactly as if 
the plugin installed correctly (ie: does nothing). An error message 
would have been nice, and saved me 10 minutes of headscratching.

I could not 
find any option in the preferences to tell it to install plugins into 
its own directory .firefix/plugins. I do not intend to login as root and 
install plugins.
A lot of extensions have the option of installing globally or in a 
user's home directory. It's a shame the search plugins don't. In fact, I 
think I'm going to go file a bug.

In the meantime, though, I guess you could try grabbing 
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/plugins/googleAU.src and putting that in a 
searchplugins directory under your homedir. You'd also need to copy 
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/searchplugins/google.gif to googleAU.gif in 
your user one. Note that I'm not sure if this will actually work. :-)

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Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?

[Jeff Waugh]

> The subject asks the question.

Without any context, it's hard to say. They do substantially different
things, although in some respects solve similar problems. What are you
trying to do?

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Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?

[Del]

Howard Lowndes wrote:
The subject asks the question.
I like vmware but you need more ram.  I've had win4lin working OK
though.  Horses for courses.
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Need to be root to install plugins. was Re: [SLUG] Firebird Googlesearch to do Australia?

[Michael Lake]

Peter Hardy wrote:
You can install a firefox search plugin:
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/quick/google.html ,  grep for Australia, click 
the linky thing. You need to be root to install plugins. And yes, the 
I just installed Firefox yesterday on my PowerBook and when I go to 
install plugins it just crashes and exits. So perhaps thats the problem; 
 it is trying to install into /usr/share/firefox/plugins. I could not 
find any option in the preferences to tell it to install plugins into 
its own directory .firefix/plugins. I do not intend to login as root and 
install plugins.

Has anyone had probs like this installing plugins on Linux? On my 
Windows box plugins install fine.

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RE: [SLUG] kvm required

[Rowling, Jill]

Hi Simon,
You might want to get a demo of a KVM before you buy one.
My experience so far is the video is pretty low resolution and sometimes
ghosty compared to either remote X or other protocols.
KVMs are really essential when you have racks of Windows servers that act up
and maybe need a console if you are loading CDs or something.
I much prefer using a desktop Linux box to remotely access all the other
servers most of the time. The KVM just saves me from running between my
office and the computer room when accessing the physical hardware. I
wouldn't want to work on it all day.

Cheers,

Jill.

-Original Message-
From: Lester Cheung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 15 July 2004 9:07 AM
Cc: slug
Subject: Re: [SLUG] kvm required


On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:11:42AM +1000, Ken Foskey wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 23:10, Simon Males wrote:
> > I just need a rant for a KVM. When i im at home i wish to use 
> > standard
> > keyboard/mouse and screen which will be shared by my desktop and laptop.
> > 
> > The kvm will require USB ports as my laptop cannot take PS2. I've 
> > had a
> > quick browse, and kvm's are not exactly cheap :(
> 
> Why do you want a kvm at all?
> 
> I use my laptop to 'X -query mydesktop' to connect within my home lan.
> Works a treat.  The alternative is to ssh in with the -x option.

Synergy maybe just for you. :)
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Re: [SLUG] free historical book (OT)

[Mark Paine]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All,
Does anyone want a copy of Programming the Z80 (Zaks) 3e?
Jim Donovan
 

Still got mine :-)  Sits next to my "TRS-80 Assembly Language 
Programming" by William Barden Jr.  When I saw the TRS-80 book in a 
computer display at the Powerhouse a couple of years ago, I felt 
*really* old.

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RE: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine? A: Yes.

[Roger Barnes]

That's not a fantastic way to get an answer, let alone a good one.  What do you want 
to use such an application for?  What have you tried so far?  Are you talking about 
comparing price/TCO/convenience/reliability/support/frames per 
second/footprint/security/speed/AS400 ports/quality of comments in source code/...?  
:) :) What has your own research surfaced so far?

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ... will not answer your question, 
but might be worth reading anyway.

Cheers,
- Rog ... More content, less sig.  Get a blog instead.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Lowndes
> Sent: Thursday, 15 July 2004 5:42 AM
> To: MailList-SLUG
> Subject: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
> 
> The subject asks the question.
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Re: [SLUG] Firebird Google search to do Australia?

[Johnny]

Terry Collins wrote:
Does anyon know how to change the google search panle in Firebird/fire
fox to search Australian web pages first? I fscked if I want to wade
through piles of US tripe.
 

Dont use firefox, but in Google its "thing I'm looking for" site: au
if you look at the source of the mozilla page
http://www.google.com/search"; method="get" id="google">






http://www.google.com/linux";> Google Linux Search 

http://www.google.com/linux"; method="get">


 *** HERE



you can see how the do a search for linux
make one that uses site:au
If you want more advanced options go to the google page and play with 
advanced search.
Then just look at the urls cgi etc.


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Re: [SLUG] Firebird Google search to do Australia?

[Peter Hardy]

On 07/15/04 09:43, Terry Collins wrote:
Does anyon know how to change the google search panle in Firebird/fire
fox to search Australian web pages first? I fscked if I want to wade
through piles of US tripe.
I've been wanting to know how to add other engines there too (I miss my 
imdb searches!). You inspired me to work it out. :-)

You can install a firefox search plugin:
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/quick/google.html ,  grep for Australia, click 
the linky thing. You need to be root to install plugins. And yes, the 
Google Australia plugin searches google.com.au, and specifies pages from 
Australia only.

You can get to the search plugin page by clicking the icon thingy in the 
search box to pull down the menu, and choosing "Add engines...".

The search button extension 
(http://www.pikey.me.uk/mozilla/?extension=sb) is also awesome. Great 
for opening search results in new tabs.

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[SLUG] free historical book

[jimd]

All,
Does anyone want a copy of Programming the Z80 (Zaks) 3e?
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[SLUG] Firebird Google search to do Australia?

[Terry Collins]

Does anyon know how to change the google search panle in Firebird/fire
fox to search Australian web pages first? I fscked if I want to wade
through piles of US tripe.


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Re: [SLUG] kvm required

[Lester Cheung]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:11:42AM +1000, Ken Foskey wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 23:10, Simon Males wrote:
> > I just need a rant for a KVM. When i im at home i wish to use standard 
> > keyboard/mouse and screen which will be shared by my desktop and laptop.
> > 
> > The kvm will require USB ports as my laptop cannot take PS2. I've had a 
> > quick browse, and kvm's are not exactly cheap :(
> 
> Why do you want a kvm at all?
> 
> I use my laptop to 'X -query mydesktop' to connect within my home lan. 
> Works a treat.  The alternative is to ssh in with the -x option.

Synergy maybe just for you. :)
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Re: [SLUG] kvm required

[Stuart Guthrie]

>From what I understand, each KVM port is a seperate Keyboard Viewer
Mouse combo. So to control two PCs at the same time you need a two port.

Be aware that some KVM's look cheaper but you then need extra cables to
enable each port. The devil is in the detail.

Stu

On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 23:10, Simon Males wrote:
> I just need a rant for a KVM. When i im at home i wish to use standard 
> keyboard/mouse and screen which will be shared by my desktop and laptop.
> 
> The kvm will require USB ports as my laptop cannot take PS2. I've had a 
> quick browse, and kvm's are not exactly cheap :(
> 
> I am a bit confused with kvm's, currently i have a PS2 keyboard and 
> mouse that i pretty happy with, but im dont mind getting another USB 
> keyboard and mouse. How many port kvm do i require, 2 input's and 4 
> outputs ?
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Re: [SLUG] Redhat 9 with a Realtek ALC655 soundcard

[Johnny]

Hi, L
Somehow dont think the new HD has much to do with it.
Suspect the MB also has a sound port.
Run lspci, and look whats on the PCI bus, may have 2 sound devices.
I would just let it install, then rebuild the kernel, deselect the the 
one sound driver, download realtech one and install it.
Or just use the MB one and stick the realtech in another machine.

L . wrote:
Hi,
I have been running rh9 on a machine with a Realtek
ALC655 onboard soundcard, and everything was just
fine. However, the HDD in the machine was an old 4GB 
Quantum Fireball, and was a little clunky and slow and
failing occassionally, so I decided to upgrade to a
new 40GB Seagate Barracude 7200.7.

Once I re-installed rh9 on the new HDD, all of a
sudden, I can't get any sound to come out! It keeps
detecting my sound card as an SiS7012 with an
i810_audio module.
I blew it away and reinstalled XP on the machine just
to test the sound and sure enough, the sound card
works fine! But when I re-install rh9, it still won't
go!
Does anyone have any experience with this? 
Can I manually specify the soundcard? (Obviously, it
has worked in the past, so there *are* drivers for it.

Thanks in advance.
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[SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?

[Howard Lowndes]

The subject asks the question.

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Re: [SLUG] kvm required

[Ken Foskey]

On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 23:10, Simon Males wrote:
> I just need a rant for a KVM. When i im at home i wish to use standard 
> keyboard/mouse and screen which will be shared by my desktop and laptop.
> 
> The kvm will require USB ports as my laptop cannot take PS2. I've had a 
> quick browse, and kvm's are not exactly cheap :(

Why do you want a kvm at all?

I use my laptop to 'X -query mydesktop' to connect within my home lan. 
Works a treat.  The alternative is to ssh in with the -x option.

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[SLUG] kvm required

[Simon Males]

I just need a rant for a KVM. When i im at home i wish to use standard 
keyboard/mouse and screen which will be shared by my desktop and laptop.

The kvm will require USB ports as my laptop cannot take PS2. I've had a 
quick browse, and kvm's are not exactly cheap :(

I am a bit confused with kvm's, currently i have a PS2 keyboard and 
mouse that i pretty happy with, but im dont mind getting another USB 
keyboard and mouse. How many port kvm do i require, 2 input's and 4 
outputs ?

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Re: [SLUG] Networking advice please.

[Russell Ashdown]

My experience over hundreds of such installations indicates this:

If your Cat5 cabling was installed by your friendly local 
electrician, you may find she/he has made the connection incorrectly. 
 You will find that the NICs and the 100BASET switch will indicate 
that the physical connection is there (appropriate LEDs) but data 
will fail to be transmitted.  Incorrect termination is most easily 
proved by the use of a 10BASET hub or switch which in almost all 
cases WILL work over incorrectly terminated Cat5 cabling.  100BASET 
will NEVER work over incorrectly terminated Cat5 cabling.

On 14 Jul 2004 at 13:04, bill wrote:

> 
> I have 3 pc's networked to an ethernet switch, which is connected to
> the 'Net via a modem router. All works well.
> 
> My house was cabled for LAN with cat5 cable when it was built.
> 
> I have connected a pc to each of 2 LAN wall outlets ( in different
> rooms)  with a straight-through (ie not crossover) cable, and have
> tried connecting the ethernet switch to each of the 4 outlets at the
> LAN outlet point at the other end of the cabling in my "Den". The
> appropriate set of lights on the ethernet switch fail to light up, no
> matter which of the 4 outlets at the wall junction I attach it to,
> even though the other end of one of these outlets has a PC (in another
> room) attached.
> 
> Either all of the LAN cabling in the house is defective (unlikely as
> the other cables for Cable-TV and TV Aerial work), or I am doing
> something wrong re connecting the remote PC's to the ethernet switch.
> 
> Should I be using straight-through cable or crossover cable from the
> wall point to the ethernet switch (I asume straight-through)?
> 
> How can I test the cabling, short of purchasing an appropriate cable
> tester?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Bill
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Re: [SLUG] Networking advice please.

[Shaun Oliver]

Someone much smarter than I, on Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:14:28PM +1000, spake thus.
*SNIP*
> > 
> > >
> > >My house was cabled for LAN with cat5 cable when it was built.
> > >
> > >I have connected a pc to each of 2 LAN wall outlets ( in different 
> > >rooms)  with a straight-through (ie not crossover) cable, and have 
> > >tried connecting the ethernet switch to each of the 4 outlets at the 
> > >LAN outlet point at the other end of the cabling in my "Den".
> 
*SNIP*
> Why not take the switch to the pc use your straight through cable to
> connect pc to switch to see is the lights come on.  If it does, it still
> might be the card or the cable.  I would presume the cable first, easier
> to test this.  once you do get conectivity then tack the switch back to
> the orginal place and connect via your patched cable if it now fails
> then its the patch LAN cabling.
> 

I'd have a good look at the cabling to your wall outlets.
it's quite possible that someone has inadvertantly made it crossover 
rather than straight through.
just a thought,

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Re: [SLUG] Networking advice please.

[Alexander Samad]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 07:51:28PM +1000, Heracles wrote:
> bill wrote:
> 
> >
> >I have 3 pc's networked to an ethernet switch, which is connected to 
> >the 'Net via a modem router. All works well.
> >
> >My house was cabled for LAN with cat5 cable when it was built.
> >
> >I have connected a pc to each of 2 LAN wall outlets ( in different 
> >rooms)  with a straight-through (ie not crossover) cable, and have 
> >tried connecting the ethernet switch to each of the 4 outlets at the 
> >LAN outlet point at the other end of the cabling in my "Den". The 
> >appropriate set of lights on the ethernet switch fail to light up, no 
> >matter which of the 4 outlets at the wall junction I attach it to, 
> >even though the other end of one of these outlets has a PC (in another 
> >room) attached.
> >
> >Either all of the LAN cabling in the house is defective (unlikely as 
> >the other cables for Cable-TV and TV Aerial work), or I am doing 
> >something wrong re connecting the remote PC's to the ethernet switch.
> >
> >Should I be using straight-through cable or crossover cable from the 
> >wall point to the ethernet switch (I asume straight-through)?
> >
> >How can I test the cabling, short of purchasing an appropriate cable 
> >tester?
> >
> Straight through cables from the switch is correct. If you are not 
> getting a connection I would check the cabling - check the patch cables 
> first.  I know you don't want to buy a cable tester (however, a simple 
> continuity tester is only a few dollars) but without such a device you 
> could be spending a great deal of time and still not solve your problem.

Why not take the switch to the pc use your straight through cable to
connect pc to switch to see is the lights come on.  If it does, it still
might be the card or the cable.  I would presume the cable first, easier
to test this.  once you do get conectivity then tack the switch back to
the orginal place and connect via your patched cable if it now fails
then its the patch LAN cabling.

Alex

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Re: [SLUG] Networking advice please.

[Heracles]

bill wrote:
I have 3 pc's networked to an ethernet switch, which is connected to 
the 'Net via a modem router. All works well.

My house was cabled for LAN with cat5 cable when it was built.
I have connected a pc to each of 2 LAN wall outlets ( in different 
rooms)  with a straight-through (ie not crossover) cable, and have 
tried connecting the ethernet switch to each of the 4 outlets at the 
LAN outlet point at the other end of the cabling in my "Den". The 
appropriate set of lights on the ethernet switch fail to light up, no 
matter which of the 4 outlets at the wall junction I attach it to, 
even though the other end of one of these outlets has a PC (in another 
room) attached.

Either all of the LAN cabling in the house is defective (unlikely as 
the other cables for Cable-TV and TV Aerial work), or I am doing 
something wrong re connecting the remote PC's to the ethernet switch.

Should I be using straight-through cable or crossover cable from the 
wall point to the ethernet switch (I asume straight-through)?

How can I test the cabling, short of purchasing an appropriate cable 
tester?

Straight through cables from the switch is correct. If you are not 
getting a connection I would check the cabling - check the patch cables 
first.  I know you don't want to buy a cable tester (however, a simple 
continuity tester is only a few dollars) but without such a device you 
could be spending a great deal of time and still not solve your problem.

Stay well and happy
Heracles
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RE: [SLUG] Networking advice please.

[Michael Wardlaw]

> I have 3 pc's networked to an ethernet switch, which is
> connected to the
> 'Net via a modem router. All works well.

You mean the internet connection works well?

> My house was cabled for LAN with cat5 cable when it was built.
>
> I have connected a pc to each of 2 LAN wall outlets ( in different
> rooms)  with a straight-through (ie not crossover) cable, and
> have tried
> connecting the ethernet switch to each of the 4 outlets at
> the LAN outlet
> point at the other end of the cabling in my "Den". The
> appropriate set of
> lights on the ethernet switch fail to light up, no matter
> which of the 4
> outlets at the wall junction I attach it to, even though the
> other end of
> one of these outlets has a PC (in another room) attached.

Does the green light on the network cards light up or flash when you connect
them?
If there is no green light on the NIC when you connect the cable (through
the house) that means that the connection is defective, most likely caused
by the cabling.  The way to prove it is to get all the pcs in one room and
plug them into the switch.  if the green lights come up on the NICs
connected directly to the switch then you can be certain it is a cabling
fault.

> Either all of the LAN cabling in the house is defective
> (unlikely as the
> other cables for Cable-TV and TV Aerial work),

Not the same cabling as network (cat5 or RJ-45).
>or I am doing
> something
> wrong re connecting the remote PC's to the ethernet switch.

not likely, but the switch could be faulty.

> Should I be using straight-through cable or crossover cable
> from the wall
> point to the ethernet switch (I asume straight-through)?
>
> How can I test the cabling, short of purchasing an
> appropriate cable tester?

plug 1 piece of cable you know to be OK between network port of 1 nic that
you are certain works (e.g connected to modem router) and one by one to
other pcs.  preferably cross-over cable.
if the green light comes up again then the nics are OK.

If it's not the cabling or the NICs then the network isn't setup correctly.
:)

> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bill
>
>

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Re: [SLUG] Fedora Font Server [Was: X11 Font?]

[Jeff Waugh]

> > Very few modern programs use X core fonts, or server-side font rendering
> > at all anymore.
> 
> So the font server can only do old-school style X core fonts, rather than
> fontconfig niftiness?

Yes. fontconfig, Xft and friends are all there to pull us out of the X core
font mess so we can actually do sane, data-aware things with fonts in every
application.

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[SLUG] Re: Networking advice please.

[Ben Buxton]

bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered the following thing:
> one of these outlets has a PC (in another room) attached.
> 
> Either all of the LAN cabling in the house is defective (unlikely as the 
> other cables for Cable-TV and TV Aerial work), or I am doing something 
> wrong re connecting the remote PC's to the ethernet switch.
> 
> Should I be using straight-through cable or crossover cable from the wall 
> point to the ethernet switch (I asume straight-through)?

If your switch is not crossover auto-sensing, try switching the (usually
one) uplink port to crossover and see what you can find.

Alternative, buy a $10 multimeter and check each one by hand. Wall
patchings should be straight through.

BB

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[SLUG] Network printing problem on RH 6.1

[Matt Hyne]

Folks, we have an old RH 6.1 server which we use as a database server.
For compatibility reasons, we need to stay with RH6.1.

However, I had to reload the machine the other night and now network
printing will not work.  I keep getting the following errors in
/var/log/messages when I try to print as any user except root (root
prints fine).

Jul 14 17:45:07 panda lpd[11257]: lpd: couldn't open spool file
dfA014panda as mhyne
Jul 14 17:45:07 panda lpd[11257]: PRINTER1: job could not be sent to
remote host (cfA014panda)

I cant see to work out what the issue is.  Everything appears ok and if
I print as root it works.  The spooler directory appears to be owned by
lp.lp.

Anyone have any suggestions ?

Matt

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