[Biofuel] Gun cracy
While and before my miltary service in germany we had discussion of the merrit of any army The word was,you need the army to defend against the "bad" people. And then after years you find out,that the "bad" people is your own Thats all whats left on the gunlovers argument. Part of the hidden need for guns is shure to be found in "man and his symbols" Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How is Keith Doing?
On 11-03-14 02:23 PM, Dave Hajoglou wrote: > Keith, > I see that you're about 750km by road to Fukushima and closer by > the crow. I send my wishes that you and others get through everything > as safely as possible. > > -dave hojo > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > Hi Dave, if i am hopefully not mistaken is Keith now in South Africa! If this is rigth i wonder how he did get to know about the upcoming disaster!But than Keith to me is a wise man and they know things All the best Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel in Canada
Hello Seth, i would call for ice in the line! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power (George Monbiot)
On 11-04-01 12:29 AM, Chris Burck wrote: > been hoping this thread wouldn't die out before finding a moment to adress > the topic. fortunately, much of what i wanted to say has already been said > so i don't have to try and carve out as much time! > > clearly, life as we in the "developed" world (and increasing numbers of > people in the "developing" world) live it, is unsustainable. as has been > rightly pointed out, we *will* change how we live. the only question is > whether we participate in and shape that change. > > this discussion hinges on two words (which i really thought would've come up > sooner than they did): paradigm shift. it's not about sacrificing this or > that, but opening our eyes to what's real and shifting our priorities. > deciding what we really need. > > the world right now is a freaking gigantic mess. changing it. . .OMG just > think about that for a second (change *that*!?!). makes you feel pretty > tiny and helpless, right? I mean where the devil do you start? > > as bakunin would say, start with yourself. that helpless feeling i > mentioned a second ago? well, pretty much everyone around you feels the > same way. what's the best antidote? do stuff. > > i'm pretty tired and since i can't keep my train of thought i'm starting to > sermonize which is one of the worst forms of human interaction. i think it > was chip who said that one of the best forms of communication is to *do*. > couldn't agree more. > > anyway, hoping everyone is well, > > -chris > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110401/93d2896d/attachment.html > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > But than Chris, Einstein allready sayd it: You cant change the courrent state of mess we are in with the same thinking that brougth as in at first! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Power Consumption of Lighting Timers
Ken Dunn wrote: > Hi all, > > I hope the cross-post is OK. I'm looking at adding a photo-sensitive > lighting timer for my lamp post light. However, I'm having a hard > time finding the energy consumption of the timer itself. Our lamp > post light is already on a photo sensor and we use a CFL bulb. > Ideally, the timer will only consume energy while the light is on and > it should consume a watt or less in order to make it practical and > beneficial. I can't seem to find that information, though. Any help > you might be able to provide would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Ken > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > Hi Ken, i think this is very neglegible it my be a fraction of a watt all depens the model Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A wind turbine for your home
Dawie Coetzee wrote: > Indeed. The conventional wisdom with wind turbines is, "the bigger the > better", and with reason. > > The interesting thing is the claim of rooftop suitability, which the same > conventional wisdom warns us against. I wonder if that is purely a function > of the small size: the literature does not elaborate. And I wonder if the > problems with vibration apply only (or more particularly or equally) to North > American timber and/or steel construction. I am not aware of any experience > with heavy-masonry construction. Surely it is something one can detail out if > the building is designed from the start to have a 16' turbine on top of it? > > Best regards > > Dawie Coetzee > Hi Dawiee, you can hardly call thath a timberconstruction! In my books this is named Toothpic technique Timber as i see it would not have any problemes with it Best regards Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] okay, question that is almost topic-relevant. Safe vegetable oils?
Chip Mefford wrote: > In short, > I have a small chainsaw powered sawmill. > > Now, I'll not try to defend the chainsaw as environmentally sensitive, > nor sustainable. I'll leave that be for now. > > But the bit that I'm stuck on right now, is that running this sawmill > generates a lot of sawdust. Some folks will argue that chainsaw mills > suck because of the kerf, and bandmills are better due to the smaller > kerf. Again, I don't want to argue. On wide planks, my chainsaw mill > gives me really flat and accurate cuts. Bandmills wander a bit. So > -to me- it's a question of do I want to leave the sawdust at the > milling site, or at the planer later. Machs nix. > > But with the thought of composting all that really nice and very > fine sawdust, it occurs to me that the bar-oil content is an issue. > > So, no big deal I think, I'll just use this fancy environmentally > friendly vegetable oil based bar oil. But being the person I am, I > decided to critique this concept. Seems that all commercial > 'environmental' bar oils are canola based. And even though one isn't > supposed to, it's possible to get that bar and chain pretty hot. > 'cooked' canola oil doesn't seem like the stuff with which I want to > amend my food garden soil. > > So I start looking at other vegetable oils, since these products > are used in forestry all over the world where forestry is a more > careful practice than here in the US, and I see that all over > europe and parts of africa, vegetable based bar oils are the standard. > > But is this stuff really superior in an environmental sense than > ole dinosaur bones? Esp when it's been heated/cooked? > > What is a good vegetable oil lubricant that isn't a GMO product? > > Any and all clues deeply appreciated. . > > Hello Chip, despite you dont wont to deal with this rigt now, your Chainsawmill is far from sustainable or economical! The kerf on a chainsaw is at least 10mm to 12mm in compare to a Bandsawmill 3mm! Your claim bandsawmills wander a bit... only if your blade is dull or badly maintained! I cut on my Bandsawmill up to 4000pmp a day,average 2000pmp depends how the wood is! You can not possybly mach that nearly with a Chainsawcut! But than thats what you got and you may as well use it! My boards are cut 1'' on center, i plane them down to 3/4 and have therefore very little sawdust or shavings,my shavings are pressed to Briquettes so i have allmost no loss! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pigdozer update.
Guag Meister wrote: > Hi Keith ; > > Quick update for you about our pigdozer project. Our previous system for > preparing a field for planting was the normal Cambodia way : > > 1) Plow in dry season to upturn roots and kill them. > 2) Wait for some rain, this will germinate the remaining weed seeds. > 3) Plow again. > 4) Plow one more time before wet season to level for planting. > > This always infuriated me, because the naked earth was baking under the hot > sun during the dry season. This KILLS the soil. But the concept was lost on > them. They could see no other way to kill the weeds. > > We set up an electric fence. There was a bit of a learning experinence for > the pigs, but they are not stupid. Now they will not touch the fence. My > staff report that they could be running away from something and they stop at > the fence like a car puts on brakes. > > We flood the field with water every two days. The pigs kill the grass and > dig out all the strong roots of bamboo and other plants. Their weight is > increasing, but slower than if fed by commercial feed. We also let them eat > oil palm fruits, which they accept readily. They also love breadfruit, and > we planted local water spinach and just let them get it by themselves. > > We hit a bell when we give them table rice scraps in the evening. They follow > the guy with the bell like puppy dogs. If they ever do get out of the fence, > we hit the bell and the pigs come running. > > Everyone is amazed, even the guy that took care of pigs for many years. He > never thought it possible for the pigs to follow him around like puppy dogs. > The report back is that the rice is growing VERY well in the area dug by the > pigs. This is making big news with the locals. > > Now I get a wet, dug, and fertilized field without doing any work, without > killing the soil, and without spending any money on diesel or pig food, and I > get pig meat (and biogas later when we get to it). > > Fantastic! > > Best Regards, > > Peter G. > Thailand > www.gac-seeds.com > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > Hi Peter, congrat for the achievement! My uncle had some 80 pigs or so and they have been kept in a half open stall.The sleeping area was with a ligtly heatet tilefloor and the r was a sort of gullyarea where the pigs did their manurething.this was kind of selfcleanig. I have never seen a pigplace as clean and almost no smell at all! The pasture was with real black earth and a little pond was there so they could get nice dirty! Pigs are smart! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [Fwd: Solar Collector Window]
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[Biofuel] solar collector window
Hello Keith, at first like a miraclesolution... but than,maybe the end of interiorplants etc. as long as americans still live in an age where you need the fireplacetools to open the windows (famos clip by Disney with Donald Duck) and where people shrinkwrap their windows every begin of winter those windowimproovements dont impressme a lot! second,the references like can.Government,Embassys and Army is far from good references to me Fritz,the Windowman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric vehicles, touted as next big thing, still in their infancy [Japan]
Darryl McMahon wrote: > It's the Chevy Volt in Opel skinning. > > Is the Volt for real? That's an on-going debate. Originally announced > in 2006 to be on sale in Q32009. That's last month. Most recent > announcement is for availability in mid-2011. > > I saw a Volt prototype a couple of weeks ago at PHEV09. > (see my blog item at http://www.econogics.com/blog.htm#2009.10.01) > > It's not ready. Current specs (which I don't expect to survive) are 60 > km on a charge, and gas engine kicks in to power the electric motor, but > does NOT charge the batteries. Based on my experience and what others > are doing, that configuration is bizarre. > > Also, don't count on GM to provide the quick charging stations in any > quantity or to maintain them (based on past experience in California and > Arizona). Also, the automakers are currently throwing a wrench into the > home charging deal by starting a whole new debate on what an electric > vehicle charging plug should look like. (Don't get me started - I'm > already in the trenches on this one, though it turns out I may have dug > in on the wrong battlefield.) > > I'm skeptical about the automakers in general in this field, and cynical > about GM in particular. In my opinion, the Volt / Ampera is just GM's > current attempt to kill the electric car - again. There current PR / > whispering campaign has convinced the Ontario government to not provide > any incentives to homebuilders and converters, or small manufacturers, > or LSVs (NEVs) or hybrid-upgraders when the grants come into effect > middle of next year. > > I'm currently writing curriculum material for a course on converting > cars to electric power. One of the things I say in the introduction is > that waiting for the automakers for the past 40 years has not been > effective. If you really want an electric car, the only way to be sure > you will have one is to make your own. > > Darryl McMahon > (lecturer, Fundamentals of Electric Vehicles course, 1981, 1982, 2009 > and EV owner since 1978) > > > Ivan Menchero wrote: > >> A bit of good news! maybe >> >> Opel! yes Opel form GM! I could not believe it but yes! (may be Detroit >> finally got their shit together) >> >> http://www.opel-ampera.com/english/ >> >> I thought, if it is for real, in Europe will do wonders, in USA so so, since >> the people in USA drive much longer distance a day, but hey! with half a >> quart a day you are done! >> Basically a like 150CV car, maximum speed 160 k/h (remember you have full >> torque from the get go), around 100km autonomy on batteries and then if you >> need more, the gas engine kicks in to charge again the batteries, plug it in >> at home for an overnight charge or a 30 minute quick charge. >> >> SOUNDS GREAT! is it really? anyone knows if it is really true? >> >> Ivan >> >> > > > Hi Darryl, now i am a little confused! Opel as far i know is in the process of being sold to Magna and an russian Partner! So if that deal is going true it coul well be that the criterias for the plug ins and so well be more for the european market! And than would this not give our want to be Priminister Linda a good image as savior of the world?! just an other angle of view Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Aftermath of Copenhagen
Hi Keith,Darryl, the low-energie-home i am building at the moment is equipped with Solar heating as warmwater will flow thru pipes poured in to the concreteslab. Once this is collected to the heatexchanger it will heat the Floor during dayhours! At nigth electricheating cables will take over the heatingneeds! Fore the time beeing only the electric cables are doeing the job! 2400watts are in 3 circuits poored in to the concrete slab! They heat the house 26x30ft,thre floors at 10 to 12 degrees centigrad,but this feels warmer because it is radiation heat!here in Quebec the consumption cost me some 100$ a month.Thats pretty low in compare to heating in other houses! For the comfort i have built a masonry-tile stove for woodburning! I guess the heatsource could be anything... the point is the storage of the heat instead of heating the air!Hot air is more costly to produce and keeping hot,is more likely to carry airpollutants,is more humide and so on!With radiation heat you can lower the airtemperature to 18 degree C and feel confortable like 22 degrees! I think buildingcodes should be reevaluated to allow for storage of heat in walls and slabs! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] It gets worse and wors
Israel escalates its repression, stoking the fires of division <http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100325/OPINION/703249934/1080> Hi all, here a newsclip of new repressions against civilian population in Palestine! This must be bias as the Goldsteinreport! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] first batch
Hi Keith & all, after so long time on theorics i'v made my first batch 4 hrs ago and the settling is halfway down in my 23ltr. glassbottle! My WVO collectet more than two years ago had so nicly separated from the water it looked almost like fresh oil! I pushed myself to start after an airing on CBC2 Ottawa of a couple of young people told listeners that you only have to filter the WVO and its ready for use in their Van! Their homepage http.driventosustain.ca does not mention anything of FFA's and the whole procedure just straigth after fitering poured in to the tank! And they campain in schools and give some kind of advice how to due! I was curious to know and invited them to come up here (and offert a free filling) but they haeded the same day for Kingston! So what i had to start and it looking not to bad! Buying Leye here is a bit of a challenge! The only thing i found was Draincleaner, a bit pink in colour but it seems working! i let you know more after my washing is done Thanks Keith for the excellent description of procedure on your site and all the contributors of it Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] first batch
Hi Keith, i did my first liter of new oil on sunday! Mixing 4ltr of methyl-alcohol with 70grams of "Homeplumber sewerline-cleaner" .there is no indication of what i used on the container,so i took a chance.The granules a bit pincisch-white-semi transparent! Mixed with the liter of new oil,the reaction was very swift and it cleared after a few minutes... So i draw 3 liters of my WVO wich was almost the same colour as the new oil,increased my Methoxide for 30grams of draincleaner for a total of 100g per 4Ltr. (less the 200ml drawn for the New oil) mixed the new mix with the 1.Liter of WVO! The reaction was the same than with the new oil, a bit more cloudy in the reaction but very quick settling to! two more samples like the secound each increased by 30g of draincleaner,before the last sample i mixed 17 liters of WVO with the mix 0f Methoxide 130g-4ltr. and at last added the last 30g per Volume=6gramm of draincleaner! This morning there is almost no difference to be seen on my testbaches,the big char is half way done,the top half is golden clear,the bottom havy cloudet.All the litersamples are at the same point approx 75% clear and 25% cloudy,the new oil the cloud is ligther. At this point i dont know if i used KOH or NaOH The Methanol was 100% (veryfied by calling the Manufacturer) so i know,there is no 100% of Methanol i tok it as the 99% The Titration i skipped because of to many anknowns in my supply of lye-Methanol! The frustrating part is here (Quebec) that non of the salespersons at the stores is qualified to answer technical questions as per content of there products and the labelling ist bad anyway! So there is the alternativ in learning in doeing it! Tomorrow i will test my samples with the stirwash and the Methanoltest. the rest of the same drum of oil (550ltr.) i will proceed with the recepy of the best result (if there is a good one) Thanks Keith for the help and the respond so quick Fritz Ps.: I think the big char is not as far with the reaction because of a lack of heat in my shed it should be better during the day with the good old sun! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] first batch
Hello Keith, as you suspected,my first 20ltr was'nt fully proceedet,since i skipt titration for some obvious reasons (hardhaeded old foul) So after reprocessing 2 liters of that first bad batch the pleasant surprise: 2 liters of WVO clear and golden passed easy the Methanoltest! (My first liter of fresh oil was good to) The rest oft the batch 18ltr. are in the processor now! I made my vessel from a 60ltr beerbarrel of stainlesssteel wich i fixed a valve on the deepest point to drain out. Half of the barrel is painted black to get the sun to du the heating part steering is done with a selfmade propeller and electric drill. Glycerin is in a separate container to be passed in a still later on (once enough accumulated) stearwashing i will kep for a later point to (exept for a testwash) since with small batches the loss of good oil is some bigger than with graeter batches. I am working on a washing tank made from a 20Gal Barrel ,circulating pump and sprinklerlike waterdispenser! After seeing,wath comes out of 20 ltr WVO i can not immagine how people like the young couple i mentioned last time get away with teir "method" of straigth WVO in the tank after filtering Thanks Keith for all the advice and now i am going to practice "titration" Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] stirwash
Hello Keith, after my samples passed the Methanoltest with flying colours, the stirwash test thrown me back a bit! My washwater settled out ok,not to fast 1 hour about. The thing is,its opake white,a bit yellowish towards the oil.no separation line demarked the oil and the water. To say ,i did shake the water good in my oil! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] getting there
Hello Keith, after reading and rereading and rereading it hit me! My ratio washwater -biofuel was just not rigth... same quantity oil -water solved the problem! naturally less water meant more concentrated dirt now the separation is clearly demarked with a fine line of white, the first wash still murky but nevertheless water. The sample before washed out nicely to and the third washing gave almost clear water! Next step is getting a spare fuelfilter and poor that good stuff in my jetta Thousand thanks for the patience with me Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] first batch
Hello Keith & all, now a view weeks after my first batch of 40 liters a quick report! My WVO was after standing in the drum pretty kleen and dry. My first liter of new oil came out nicely and clear,pased the methanoltest and the steerwash test. My test with one liter (titration 2 +3.5 ) came out clear,good separation of the glycerine,methanoltest good and washtest with fast separation all as by the book! Meanwhile i made my self a processor from a stainless steel beerbarrel an took on a 40ltr. batch.same titration,i practiced 6 times.Good separation,Methanoltest and washtest,so i proceedet wit the wash for the whole batch! The thing was that the stuff would not get clear-translucend after a couple of days! So i put that stuff on the side and forgot about for a week or so! Today i went to check on it ... and the miracle happened all my stock was clear as it can be! My Jetta got rigth away a good can of it in the tank 50/50 to start out and it run beautiful ! A spare fuelfilter is on standby if needet ! Thanks Keith and all contributors to the archive to get me that far! Fritz a biofueler ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scum of the earth
James Machin wrote: > Fact is, there is probably not such a document anywhere, so in case this is > the case, perhaps we should start drafting the document ourselves. > We can start with John Vidals comments ref the oil industy: > > 'If the billions of dollars of annual subsidies and the many tax breaks the > industry gets were withdrawn, and the cost of protecting oil companies in > developing countries were added, then most of the world's oil would almost > certainly be left in the ground'. > > This probably being somewhere near the truth, perhaps that the initial task > will be to nationalise all oil corporations and run them on a 'not for > profit' basis - > James > > - Original Message - > From: "James Machin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Scum of the earth > > > >> I like the idea that 'when the people lead, the leaders follow' when >> contemplating how we are to control corporations. >> However, even though we now have the power of the internet to unite us, we >> remain (almost) totally ineffective. >> Yes, we have Avaaz and similar groups that are succeeding quite well in >> collecting names, but a list of names alone will not control corporations, >> however long that list is. >> I'm wondering if anyone has drafted the terms of a world wide applicable >> piece of legislation, designed to limit the power of corporations. Seems >> to me that with such a document in hand, the lists of names would have a >> concrete entity about which to focus.. >> We could then start working out the best way that 'the people' could >> then... >> 'hold the feet of our noble leaders firmly to the fire, and to be >> relentless about it'. >> >> best >> James >> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100531/a0589502/attachment.html >> ___ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 >> messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > Hi James, wasn't that what Iran did, before the Amis took their elected government out and replaced it whit the sha?! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] more mad dogs
Hi Keith and all, first time i see a major Newspaper coming out with an article puting the crimes of Israel in the rigth ligth! Its all in french but worth reading it fore the ones able to. The tide is changing Fritz http://lejournaldemontreal.canoe.ca/journaldemontreal/chroniques/stephanegendron/archives/2010/06/20100601-065306.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 12% renewable energie in electrical production by 2025
When i read your post,it seems to me that Biomass is wether woodchips or sweetgrass or how about putting thins together and combine all of it.Including Manure and humanwast ! The 8% agricultural could be replaced by wood or other forest dropings Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 12% renewable energie in electrical production
Hello Keith, as always you are able to put my thougths in better words,but than,thats what journalists du best! My poor english does not help either but at least there are some idias on the table andto say it bothered me always to see so much waste not put to good use! By the way,my TDI runs beautiful on BD All the Best Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Other Oil Giants? Just as Unready as BP
ly to protect their environment and their livelihoods >> >>> from Horizon. It seems that the oil companies have very low standards >>> for what constitutes adequate disaster response. >>> >>> What Are the Oil Giants Ready For? >>> >>> As ExxonMobil's Tillerson admitted, "we are not well-equipped" to >>> deal with offshore disasters. One might question whether the oil >>> companies are well-equipped for drilling in general if they cannot >>> stop the failure of an exploratory well from spiraling into a >>> national catastrophe. >>> >>> There is one task for which ExxonMobil is very well-equipped. Unlike >>> their competitors, ExxonMobil's regional response plan includes >>> forty-pages on media response. Exxon may not be prepared to deal with >>> a disaster. They may not be able to drill for oil without endangering >>> >> > the health and safety of millions. But they are ready to spin. >> > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > Sorry Keith, i tend to disagree with you on this! The Oilsands prove the contrary! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Netanyahoo exposed
Hello all, it is not that we didn't know before,but its high time that the US Folks know about this too Fritz http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2010%2F07%2F16%2Fnetanyahu-in-2001-america_n_649427.html&h=54731 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] japanese facility aimed at creating sun on earth
Hello Keith, your post remindes me on a rumor of an french physicist who develloped to"point cero eregie" (not to shure of the rigth name anymore) Hes Shop blow up on very dubious circumstances,the paperwork disappeared and anything about it was like suppressed! There is an other rumor,that Wernher von Braun was working on the project also.My dad worked with him,before he died very quick on Lucemia and the familiy always suspected a massive dose of radiation was the cause of it! Maybe there are related technologies? To say the same rumors say that the oilindustrie was behind the disapearance of the technologie!? Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel powered radiant heat
Hi Seth, i guess you want to recover the cooling of new batches of BD to heat the floor.Keep in mind thath floorheating is verry slow to respond and should therefore be a continuing thing.Take in account to separate the glycerin upfront! The basic idea is good,sinze you dont need a lot of heat to heat the floor (25deg. is enough).The thing is to coordinate your input to get even heat to the floor! The Flexpipes should do the tric.To compensate for any cold-periode (lack of BD) i would poor electric cables,the ones that are sold to de-ice the eavedrougths,parallel to the Flexpipes. I did this in two of the houses i built lately and it workes very good.2400 watts are heating a whole house if solar has a break during nigth and cloudy conditions.You can install a thermostat or a timer to switch them on and off. If you run your BD heater,dont forget to install a heatexchanger before going in to the cementslab otherwise to much heat wont be very good! good luck with the project Fritz from Quebec ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel powered radiant heat (was Nigera)
nablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20101026/521b00f9/attachment.html > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > Hi Seth, if you doing the heating of the floor only occasionall you want feel the heat at all. This radiant heating works well if it is a ongoing thing.The circuit in floorheating should always be closed ,no airbubbles otherwise the circulation to parts of the system could be cut of.A circulation pump could take care for this.If the intake of the fuel is high enough,the drain should be low.You would not really circulate the "hot stuff" but rather only run trough.The difficulty would than be to get all your circuits even flow! Therefore a heatexchanger would maybe the better design ,so you can kepp the heating circuit closed and draw the heat when available Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A metalworking question
On 10-11-02 02:30 PM, Keith Addison wrote: > Hello all > > If you don't mind my asking, I could use a little help with some info > at the Journey to Forever website. > > It's about Chinese watering cans, at this page: > > Appropriate technology> Chinese watering cans > http://journeytoforever.org/at_can.html > > "High-power rose -- tricky to make", it says. "We haven't figured out > how to make new roses yet, but we're working on it. We're trying twin > male/female moulds using our friend Graeme Morris's recipe for a > rock-hard putty made of glass-fibre resin and lime -- that way we > should be able to get the holes right. See "Watering can plans" for > details." > http://journeytoforever.org/at_canplan.html > > It didn't work. > > I've made eight of these cans over the years, and when I leave I > abandon the cans themselves and take the roses with me. The cans seem > to be ubiquitous, they're what veg oil, methanol and so on come in. > This pair is the current version: > http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/wcans.jpg > > The cans in action: > http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/k-wc.jpg > > They're very efficient - using both cans at once, two passes gives > you 1 a litre per sq yd/sq metre coverage. > > I seldom use them for actual watering or irrigation though, no need. > That time it was diluted compost tea, being applied to a pasture I'd > just disked in before the next crop in the succession - grains, field > beans, roots or whatever (or sugar-cane, maize, soy, rapeseed/canola > if you like), followed by a dressing of compost and then back to > pasture. (See Ley farming > <http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#ley>.) Also seaweed > emulsion, or diluted urine sometimes, though the urine usually goes > in the compost. Always to feed the topsoil, not to "fertilise" the > plants. > > These cans haven't been made since the 1970s, or not in Hong Kong > anyway, nor in China, as far as I know. They used to be made in local > metalworking shops with fairly basic, simple equipment. But how did > they make the roses? Any ideas? > > Better pictures: > http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/wcrose.jpg > > FYI, this is a useful small book on fertilising with urine: > > Liquid Gold: The Lore and Logic of Using Urine to Grow Plants, by > Carol Steinfeld > http://snipurl.com/sw44a > > Also: > > Guidelines on the Use of Urine and Faeces in Crop Production, > EcoSanRes Programme, Stockholm Environment Institute, 2004, 43-page > pdf, 2.4 Mb > http://www.ecosanres.org/pdf_files/ESR_Publications_2004/ESR2web.pdf > > Urine Diversion: One Step Towards Sustainable Sanitation, EcoSanRes > Programme, Stockholm Environment Institute, 2006, 76-page pdf, 2.9 Mb > http://www.ecosanres.org/pdf_files/Urine_Diversion_2006-1.pdf > > TVM - all best > > Keith > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > Hello Keith, i found in my library an old book for thinsmiths and in it is a plan for the pattern of the cuts. Its not chinese but old bavarian and with some imagination you may be able to make a chinese out of it. give me some time tonigth and i will scan the thing and post it to you.The book is from 1922... can i post this on the list or some other adress? Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A metalworking question
Hi Keith, one more nickl of mine: a VW classic hubcup musst have the rough shape already fur the dome, Fill the cup with cement,make a box with wood press an other hubcup in the cement filled box and get positiv and negative form out of this. let the ciment dry good out. A framepress with a hydaulic jack should do the pressing.to support the coment take some steelplates and protect your ciment with them.The sheetmetal,160mm dia you put between the two forms and press them. Hammer the rest till you get to the rigth domeshape.A piece of tiretube could soften the pad for the thin. Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Georges Galloway
Hello Keith, Georges Galloway apeart yesterday on Steve Paikins Show and he did not seem to have lost any fervor on the canadian adventure!Paikin tried hard to put Georges in to a corner but Galloway is not shy of a good answer Today he visitet the Calgary Office of Jason Kenney, Kenney was not there (see video at www.rabble.ca),so he will go on to Ottawa. Anyway soon it will be criminal to critisize Israel in Canada( if it goes the way of Irwin Cottler and Friends) I am as Canadian kind ashame for our Governments stand on Tarsands and Mideastpolitics! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Georges Galloway
On 10-11-24 08:55 PM, Joe Street wrote: > Fritz wrote: > > >> SNIP >> >> > >> I am as Canadian kind ashame for our Governments stand on Tarsands and >> Mideastpolitics! >> Fritz >> >> >> > That makes two of us Fritz. > As far as I can see we are just USA north. > Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. > > Joe > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > Hey Joe, thanks God there are some more than us two! But when you hear Ignatievs stand on intrusive screening on airports one feels like throwing up! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Georges Galloway
Hi Darryl,Joe, the political scene in Canada is pretty wrotten at this time,undermined by zionist rigthwing politicians! The Jewish defence ligue with Weinstein had been the origin of Galloways banning from Canada. The JDL is still today considered as a terrorist group in the US,but a canadian Minister acts on ther request to declare Galloway a terrorist.. funny eh?! When Libby Davis criticised Israel about the Free Gaza Flottilla incident,Mulcair called for her dismissel as Partyvice, Layton called the israel Ambassador with excuses and assured the Ambassador,that Libbys opinion was not the Partys! Guess what it was and is the Partys opinion (at least the grassroots-op) The Partys,all of them are so disconnect from the reality as they can be. The Block from Quebec has no stand on this issues and feeds on the uncertainity of the rest of them all. In Quebec the liberals are in hot water over illegal campain-contributions and one single MP (Amir Khadir) from Quebec-Solidaire is figthing a lonely battle to expose the crucked deals of Charest. Meind you,the Charest,the Block,Bouchard had all been Conservatist before under Mulroney,Rae was NDP,everyone hangs his flag in the wind! Layton still is under a sort of protective umbrella because of his cancertreatment,but wait when he is again well,he gona get the heat for the Mulcairaffair! For short,we are turning in circles arkkk! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] greenhouse farming
On 10-11-30 11:43 PM, Dan Beukelman wrote: > Hello All, > > I have read your posts for several years, but have not ever posted - > lurking in the shadows I guess. > > > > I am wondering if anyone out there has any thoughts/experience with > production agriculture from a greenhouse/hothouse structure. I live in > South Dakota and have been thinking that with energy efficient glass and the > right setup that growing fresh vegetables likes tomatoes year around might > be possible (I say this with a wind chill today near 0 fahrenheit). I have > read that many of the US tomato supply is grown in Canada, which is colder > than us, our area is dominated by grain farming - but I think that local > foods stores would go nuts over a locally grown garden type tomato in the > Wintertime. The construction costs of a very efficient greenhouse should be > able to be covered by the profit from selling a well growing tomato crop, > but the profits go out the window if you have the heat much. All of the > greenhouses I know of around here use plastic coverings and that is only > useful for extending the growing season a little bit on both ends. I am > thinking of keeping growth all year or nearly all year. > > > > Any thoughts? > > Dan > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20101130/bf56a83d/attachment.html > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > Hi Dan, energy efficient glass wont work to grow plants.Ordinary houseplants dont need a lot of sunligth,not so Tomatos.A single glasspane is all you should install on greenhouses! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] greenhouse farming
Hello Doug, i think you are on the rigth track with your model greenhouse. there is two things i miss on your description: 1.is shading on hot days 2.ventilation on hot summerdays it is crucial to limit heatbuild up in the greenhous. Verry efficiant are stroh mats wich you roll over the glasspanels to limit sun entrance in to your glasshouse. outside shades are better than inside ones so the heatbuilding is reduced before it hits the glass. Cross-ventilation will help to keep the temp at a reasonable level. The heatbuild up in greenhouses is probably the biggest inconveniant when you consider to work or live in a greenhouse environment and need as much to beeing studied as the heating aspect! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Running B100
Hi Luc, my name is Fritz,i am Quebecois and would appreciate a privat mail from you at [EMAIL PROTECTED] merci Fritz from Lac du Cerf - Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:56 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Running B100 It appears that not only is the screen filter in the tank severely gummed up but that the lines themselves are brittle and in need of changing. After this latest upgrade I do believe that my Benz will be BD adjusted and I can get on with more important things, like getting ready for another season of increased BD production. I learned on the weekend that I may have a clientele building without my even looking for one, so the expansion I was planning is a good thing. That's the beauty of a good BD set-up, it can be easily expanded to increase productivity without having to re-build a whole new reactor/wash tank system :) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Battery chargers
Hi Keith, if the consumption of your appliance is less than the output of the Charger,you can go direct! but it is allways better to have a Batterie as buffer in between! Fritz - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Battery chargers > Greetings > > I can't find my tall black pointed hat and the wild garlic seems to > be out of season, so I'm completely incapable of figuring out > anything about electrickery for myself, please excuse. Those among us > who're better versed in the black arts than I will no doubt find this > childishly simple, but not me. > > Anyway, can you use a battery charger as a transformer? In other > words, if I wanted to use a car windscreen wiper motor or windscreen > washer pump or fuel pump or something, could I use a 12V battery > charger to run it off the mains? Or would I have to use a battery and > use the charger to keep the battery charged? > > Thanks > > Keith > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Trees and power companies
Kim, i would look into making Methane,all Manure and comestibles can easyly at lowcost transformed into Methane and burned in a Gasgen or used for koocking! Tonight i will foreward a few Links about Methanproduction Best wishes Fritz - Original Message - From: "grahams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Trees and power companies > > > > >Generator is primary. I do have wind and sun, but I do get lots of cloudy > >days and when it is the hottest, my wind dies. Solar panels are too > >expensive for me. We have no hydro possibilities. > Solar panels are coming down in price, and you can always start small and > add as you can afford. > Have you figured the cost to run the generator? It would seem to me the > cost would be much greater than grid power, though I don't know as I have > never considered the possibility. What about a propane generator? Or can > you get the fuel needed to power the generator delivered to your home anyway? > > > > >>Can you set up all your loads so they will run only when a generator (or > >>other > >>source) is running, or will you require local energy storage? If so, > >>batteries are > >>the most practical option (IMNSHO), though not perfect by any > >>means. Most likely a > >>non-trivial investment (batteries, inverter, charger, etc). > > Still with a battery system, you could save excess generated power for > later use when the wind or sun goes away. I have heard wind power is the > cheapest to generate if you have sufficient wind (we don't). > > > >Except for my electric fence charger, I can get by with only having power > >when the generator is running. I had planned on having the electric as > >just back up to my fences before I went off grid, but right now, the > >electric fence is my primary means of keeping my animals where they belong. > > We too have electric fencing and depending on what kind of animals you > have, a solar fence charger should be adequate. However we have found if > you intend to rely on it, you need back up solar chargers and even backups > for your back ups! (A bad storm once took out 3 out of five chargers, we > had two extra, but still were short the thirdwe were on a rare > vacation and had to go to a good bit of trouble to get the neighbor who was > watching the animals money to go purchase the third.) > > > >>Other lists may also be helpful to you. Homeenergysolutions, alternate > >>energy, > >>renewable-energy come to mind. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Are you located in TX? Solar seems to be extremely popular in parts of > TX, and very "PC" down there. > > > >This is something we have been working on, all along. However, I greatly > >dislike gas stoves, which would cut our electric but raise our propane > >bill. I do a great deal of slow cooking on low temperatures, something > >gas does not do well. We are hoping to get some methane production going > >to help off set the electric usage, such as on demand hot water to back up > >the solar. > > Solar cooking is best at slow cooking, and very cheap to get started > doing. Even though you say you have many cloudy days, once you get in the > habit of it, you may find there is more sun than you think. If you built > enough (or a big enough) solar cookers, perhaps you could do a good deal > of your cooking at once and then just reheat it on cloudy or later days. > Here is a link to a very cheap and huge solar cooker, it worked as you can > see. Using and old freezer would save you the insulation step. > http://www.stevenharris.net/solarcooking/Web/albumindex1.html > > Actually I prefer gas cooking, but as with any of them, your oven > thermostat needs to be accurate. (If not measure and adjust > manually.) While a crockpot is handy, I could get along with out it and > use a gas stove/oven instead. Do you use microwaves? If so I think that > you could certainly solar cook on sunny days and then microwave on cloudy > days with your generator to power it. (Though I would at least have a > propane stove as a "backup" if I were going to cut grid > connection.) Between the two I cannot imagine choosing a noisy generator > over a small quiet flame on the back burner while I was slow cooking. > > >I may have to loose some of my conveniences, such as my on demand boiling > >water in my kitchen. There is a limit to how many conveniences I can > >loose and still get my work done, as it is only me working the place and > >doing the chores. > > This will be the deciding factor I t
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Hey Darryl, its easyer when frozen Fritz - Original Message - From: "Darryl McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) > "Friedrich Friesinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey, > > how about an old fashion Ax,thats how i doe it in Canada! > > Fritz > > I've done that too, and it's my general preference. > However, we now have some hardwood logs that are about 18-24 inches across > (half a metre or more), and green, so that's tough work with an axe, even with a > maul and wedges. Definitely gets tedious after a few cord. > > Darryl McMahon > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Michael Fleetwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) > > > > > > > Hi. > > > I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found > > > it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective > > > in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more > > > expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - > > > runs off a 20 cfm compressor. > > > > > > Mike > > > Canberra, Australia. > > > > > > At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and > > log > > > >splitter when your evaluation is done. > > > > > > > >I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, > > > >but I'm > > > >always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional > > > >lumberjacks, but > > > >quite adequate for yardwork. > > > > > > > >I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and > > > >screw > > > >jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet > > > >to be > > > >sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a > > > >couple of > > > >weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > -- > Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ > It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
Hi Kim, new it run fore about 20 000Euro used ones i have seen for under 8000Euro if you are serios looking for one,i would not buy the same Model anymore,there is a problem with stocking the Briquettes due to their shape,i would go with round dowel like Briquettes,wich brake in parts of about 3 to 4 inches that way the Storagecontainer is not clogging up and automatic feeding into heatingsystems is easyer for exact costing i need to look up the Vendors websites (all in German) give me a couple of days for it Fritz - Original Message - From: "Kim Wilde WRDS Co." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing > Mr. Freisinger, Thanks for the link ! Can you tell me what the cost of the > machine is ? Kim Wilde > - Original Message - > From: "Friedrich Friesinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing > > > > Hi Peter, > > my Rip and Sawdust (all dry less than 10%) is collected in a 5ft x 5ft > x5ft > > Storagecontainer,with Airfilterbags abouve and the Briquettepress under. > > a continuos Screw like arm goes inside the Container around and fills the > > loading zylinder from there the Rip is pushed by a Piston in the > > Presszylinder. > > Than the Presspiston pushes the stock with 380bars in the Pressclamb,wich > > opens at a certain moment to let the pressed Briquette out.There is a 5 Kw > > 3 phase Motor,a Hydraulicpump and all Pistons are hydraulic activated. > > a pretty elaborated Controlpanel is coordinating the pressing. > > I heat my house with Briquettes and partly my Shop (illegal since i am not > > allowed to burn "Waste" in an industrial shop) > > The Briquettes come out bonehard and give a beautiful Fire,once in > glow,the > > Briquettes are falling appart,but burn completely out,there is almost no > > ashes! > > A important prerequisit is,the Rip and the Sawdust must be Dry.The machine > > can not handle wet stock! > > you can look at my machine under www.spaenex.de go to Briquettepresses > > my Model is SHB50 > > if you need more info about dont hesitate to ask > > Fritz > > - Original Message - > > From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing > > > > > > > Hi Fritz ; > > > > > > I have access to a small regular supply of sawdust for > > > free. Can you tell us a little about your process? > > > > > > Hydraulic or mechanical? What pressure? Is it > > > homebuilt? Do you heat the die? How big is the die? > > > Did you make the die yourself? How? Do the briquetts > > > stay together when burning? How do you burn > > > (fireplace, stove, gasify)? Are there any web links > > > which explain the process that you use? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Peter G. > > > Thailand > > > > > > --- Friedrich Friesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Greg, > > > > you dont need any additives to press Sawdust to > > > > Briquettes,i make Briquettes > > > > every Day with my Woodshavings only by compressing > > > > it > > > > Fritz > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:16 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust > > > > processing > > > > > > > > > > > > > Make BioDiesel, then use the glycerin glop as a > > > > binder and use a brick > > > > press > > > > > to compress into a log/chunk, let harden > > > > Alternatively mix the saw dust > > > > > with a drying oil or warm pitch or other similar > > > > substance ( shellac ?) > > > > that > > > > > can be obtained locally, then compress with a > > > > prick press, then let > > > > harden. > > > > > > > > > > Greg H. > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > > From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Biofuel] Jean Pain woodchip compost pile space heater?
Hi Hakan, a relict of this old Heatingmethod is the Kachelofen,a mostly out of Firebricks an Silicatceramictiles more than 1 Inch thick and very decorative Tieles! I am proud to say that i am installing such a Heatingdevice soon in my house!It is the Ultimate in Comfort and cosines FRitz - Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jean Pain woodchip compost pile space heater? > > Rob, > > It is very interesting to look at traditional farm buildings from thousand > years back and up to the start of using fossil fuels like coal and oil. > Using the heat from the animals and the composting for both space heating > and fertilizing are repeated themes in most parts of the world. The space > for the animals during winter, was more serving as central heating, than a > need for animal shelter. Most cattle do not need housing and survive > excellent outdoors, but by housing them in the winter, the occupants of the > building could use them as a central heating. By building composts on thick > walls of the building, the walls became both heat storage and a radiating > surface. By storing the animal food in the attic, they not only kept it > dry, it also served as a very efficient insulation for the living space > during the heating periods. Using large masonry like stoves for cooking > they doubled as storage and heating source for the living space. The room > distribution was also adapted to the need of comfort, with storage and > sleeping area in the outer boundaries and living in the middle of the > building. > > Hakan > > > At 11:41 AM 11/5/2004, you wrote: > >Certainly some of the biofuel lurkers and respondents know of this famous > >French agroforestry guru, Jean Pain. One of his interesting projects was > >to use the chips from the slash and thinnings of the forests for space > >heating. Decomposing chips, piled on exterior masonry walls heated the > >thermal mass which then could radiate heat towards the occupants. The > >part I'm missing here is the book which has the image of the PVC loop, > >buried in the chips pile, which circulates warmed water to the interior > >radiators. With this enhancement, a little interior temp increase for a > >short period wouldn't cool the pile significantly, yet could be programmed > >to say, heat the kitchen and bath before breakfast. Anyone know the Title > >of this texts for inter library loans? > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Are Americans torturers or supporters of torture?
Hey Randall, its greed just greed and again greed and only greed! Fritz - Original Message - From: Randall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Are Americans torturers or supporters of torture? Hakan,To answer your question: No. Your questions imply that ALL Americans have proof about systematic and long-term torture, and quite simply I do not believe that you have the evidence to support that assertion. What other countries have been reported to and are listed with Amnesty International as having employed torture? Are you going to issue the same indictment of the citizens of those countries as well?Aren't ALL member nations in the UN responsible for not forcing ALL countries to stop using torture? Using your assertion, aren't the citizens of all those countries responsible as well? Yes, I know it is easy to say that the US has a veto on the Security Council...but why not simply change the system?? Sitting back and just saying that they cannot is the same as the comparison to 1930's and 1940's Nazi Germany.Simply having a vote does not imply responsibilty, much less confer the ability to force the action (or non-action) of a government. This does not excuse torture...but nor does it solve it either. I believe you need to first figure out what makes humans CAPABLE of torture then you can address the REASONS that humans employ torture.--Randall___<< Heisenberg may have slept here >>"If I had eight hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend six sharpening my xe." --Abraham Lincoln___- Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 1:19 PMSubject: [Biofuel] Are Americans torturers or supporters of torture?>> US has not stopped torture, according to Amnesty>> http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=1519912>> Who belive that they stopped? It casts a shadow over all Americans, who> are responsible for their government. At least republicans are clearly to> identify with what's going on. This especially elected representatives,> who refuse to take a stand and stop their support of this administration.>> Why is there so little public actions to get rid of the current > government?> A massive rejection of its methods, would make them resign, but it is> no signs of it. No actions are the same as compliancy, Americans of> today, must have a very good understanding and sympathy for the> Germans in the 1930's. They only "let it happen" also.>> Was Vietnam not enough, or should future generations have to feel> more guilt of their ancestors behavior.>> Hakan>>>> ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] War on the cheap
It seems,Bushes an Co.never learned their Historylessons! Same thing happened to Napoleons Armee in cold Russia! Hitler made the same Mistake,now its Bushes Thanks god the rule works! Fritz - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: [Biofuel] War on the cheap War on the cheapBy BOB KERRProvidence JournalMay 3, 2006, 05:54The Iraq war has been the war fought on the cheap - not enough body armor, not enough armor on vehicles, not enough night vision equipment.It has been the war in which packages from back home have had to fill some crucial needs.Now, we have chow call at the Greenwood Credit Union in Warwick, R.I. It's the latest in home-front intervention. It's partially in response to the unthinkable image of U.S. Marines approaching Iraqi citizens and asking for food because they do not have enough.There's a big barrel in the lobby of the credit union on Post Road in Warwick. It's decorated with ribbons and it's there because Karen Boucher-Andoscia's son, Nick Andoscia, called and asked his mother to send food.Nick's a Marine corporal. He was in Afghanistan last year, where there was enough to eat. He's in Iraq now even though his enlistment was up last year.He's one of those Marines who can't walk away. His unit, the 3rd Battalion of the 3rd Marines, was headed for Iraq and he just couldn't head for civilian life while those he had served with were heading to their second war."He extended," says Karen. "He told me, 'I really have to go. I can't let my guys go alone.' "There are a lot of stories like that. We don't hear them much. They're kind of personal.So Nick Andoscia went to Iraq. And hunger soon followed."I got a letter," says Karen. "And he had called me before that. He said, 'Send lots of tuna.' "Nick told his mother that he and the men in his unit were all about 10 pounds lighter in their first few weeks in Iraq. They were pulling 22-hour patrol shifts. They were getting two meals a day and they were not meals to remember."He told me the two meals just weren't cutting it. He said the Iraqi food was usually better. They were going to the Iraqis and basically saying, 'feed me.' "Karen started packing in that wartime tradition as old as mothers and sons. She packed a lot of the packaged tuna, not the canned.She happened to mention her hungry son to people she works with at Greenwood Credit Union, where she is a teller and has worked for 30 years.Pounds and pounds of food started showing up amid the daily business of loans and deposits and withdrawals. Marianne Barao, the branch manager, said it could be done, the credit union could become the place where people help feed hungry Marines who are risking their lives on a skimpy diet."We sent out 51 pounds this week," says Karen. "There are customers coming in saying, 'What do you need?' "The credit union is paying the cost of packing and shipping.Any packaged food is welcome. So are baby wipes because showers are even rarer than a full meal. And foot powder.Nick Andoscia, who is 22, is due to come home later this year. He wants to study criminal justice, his mother says, then go to work for a fire or police department.But for the next few months he will be on patrol in western Iraq, dealing with the heat and the dirt and the danger.The last thing he should have to worry about is an empty stomach. The last thing he should have to do is approach Iraqis and ask for food.You have to wonder what the gracious hosts must think when a fighting man from the richest country on earth comes to their door in search of something to eat.(Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail bkerr(at)projo.com.) ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Redler for President
Hey Guys, i think Redler would be better of with a good old bavarian Dumplingcanon?! Fritz - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Redler for President How about a biogas powered potato cannon? Redler can provide the gas I think.Mike Weaver wrote: Slingshot? Joe Street wrote: Ohhh no. I've already shot myself in the foot on many occasions and shotguns are too devastating. I need something left to put in my mouth from time to time! J Mike Weaver wrote: I am afraid I must refuse to serve, because I believe that wanting the job indicates that one is unfit for the post. I propose we draft Redler for Pres. He might have a shotgun, which will come in handy for the VP, who should be Street. I would serve as Secretary of Energy in the Redler Administration, though. Joe Street wrote: Mike Weaver for President!! Sorry Redler.you can be VP as long as you don't own a shotgun. J Mike Weaver wrote: I personally think this list is mostly crackpots, me included. That's why I like it. "Regular" people bore me. Better a smart nut than a dull "normal" person... Except Redler. He really is crazy, which annoys me, because I like to be the craziest person on the list. -Mike Jason & Katie wrote: Sanity is the ability to doubt your own sanity. - Original Message - From: "M&K DuPree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Iogen - Post to List Is this clear...or am I coming off as the probable lunatic I might really be??? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.or
Re: [Biofuel] Please read
Hi Keith, indeed your story is very enligthening,a little footnot i like to add: The South African government when seeking to establish the "black cantons"came to Canada to learn about Canada's First Nation's reservationsystem... Since it was such a huge "success" in the eyes of Westerngovernments. They didn't go to the US for that. Nope... Canada Notsomething to be too proud of! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
just received Fritz Poll: Strong U.S. Support for Bombing Iran An Internet poll sponsored by NewsMax.com reveals that Americans are overwhelmingly in favor of the United States undertaking military action to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program. Nearly 60,000 people have taken part in the poll so far, and more than nine out of 10 say U.S. efforts to contain Iran's weapons program are not working. A large majority of respondents also believe that Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War. NewsMax will provide the results of this poll to major media and share them with radio talk-show hosts across the country. Here are the poll questions and results: 1) Do you believe U.S. efforts to contain Iran's nuclear weapons program are working?Working: 7 percentNot Working: 93 percent 2) Should the United States rely solely on the U.N. to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program?Yes: 11 percentNo: 89 percent 3) Do you believe Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War?Yes: 88 percentNo: 12 percent 4) Should the U.S. undertake military action against Iran to stop their program?Yes: 77 percentNo: 23 percent 5) Who should undertake military action against Iran first?U.S.: 45 percentIsrael: 35 percentNeither: 20 percent ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Hakan, indeed dejea vu, once the propagandamachine works as fine as it does in the US,all out war is'nt far away! The whole polemic about the communist threat BS, it was and is always the migthy US who uses Nukes to intimidate the rest of the world! I dispise them for it and can not help to blame the ordinary US Citicen.As a German i felt long time the blame for the wrong doeings of the Nazis even i was born in 48! eh bien and so on... Get better Hakan,there is no time to loose Fritz - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran Fritz,Have a strong feeling of dejavu and this time I will save the info in a special place. Pre Iraq, I saw similar figures and also some support on this list. Today it is overwhelming negative numbers in support for the Iraq war and approval ratings for the president. Maybe I should frame this, for future use.Talk about a violent population, 77% in support of military action and killing Iranians. In two years we will have 65% in denial and against the US engagement in Iran. It will be an even bigger mess than Iraq, with attacks all over the world.HakanAt 20:07 07/05/2006, you wrote:>just received>>Fritz>>Poll: Strong U.S. Support for Bombing Iran>>An Internet poll sponsored by NewsMax.com reveals that Americans are >overwhelmingly in favor of the United States undertaking military >action to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program.>>Nearly 60,000 people have taken part in the poll so far, and more >than nine out of 10 say U.S. efforts to contain Iran's weapons >program are not working.>>A large majority of respondents also believe that Iran poses a >greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War.>>NewsMax will provide the results of this poll to major media and >share them with radio talk-show hosts across the country.>>Here are the poll questions and results:>>1) Do you believe U.S. efforts to contain Iran's nuclear weapons >program are working?>Working: 7 percent>Not Working: 93 percent>>2) Should the United States rely solely on the U.N. to stop Iran's >nuclear weapons program?>Yes: 11 percent>No: 89 percent>>3) Do you believe Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein >did before the Iraq War?>Yes: 88 percent>No: 12 percent>>4) Should the U.S. undertake military action against Iran to stop >their program?>Yes: 77 percent>No: 23 percent>>5) Who should undertake military action against Iran first?>U.S.: 45 percent>Israel: 35 percent>Neither: 20 percent___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Poll in favor of bombing Iran
Hi Mike, >What's the deal in your country? Is your government walking in >lockstep with the will of the overwhelming majority of the >"ordinary" citizens? What is "ordinary" anyway I'll leave it >at that for now.My government would not dare to nuke anybodys Country,its already enough for us if we have to due "Peaceceeping" ,and this only because of the mess your very government has createt! As Keith had put it, you guys have a very short memory and pretty selectiv too! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wood
Hi, we up here in Canada split the Wood rigth in the cold winter,when everything is hard frozen.It takes half the efford to due the job!The hardes Maple,Birch,Ash and Oak splits very well wth a simple strike of an Axe. Elm is an other thing,almost not splittable by hand since the crossgrain holds the Fibres very good together,but Elm (dry) burns very well and leafs almost no Ashes. The cathegorys of softwood and hardwoods are basically wrong in Context,as it was mentionned before,Larch or Tamarack ist a very hard pinacaea(confere)Tree and should therefore not be classified as softwood! Larch is one of the northern hemisphere best Wood for construction and in northamerica not commercialized becaus it was to havy to float (in the old Times) and for american constuction not suitible becaus to hard to nail. I am working on a project to build prefab doublewalled Loghomes from Larch. Larchwood is very decayresistent and therefore suitible to build chemicalfree houses sinze the wood will be treatet with Linseedoil only. The Concept of my project is standing,there are only a few minor hurdles to finalize it. Oh and to add,i know of houses built from Larchwood with more than a few hundret jears of age,thats what i call sustainable.. Fritz - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wood Mike, Have you ever split straight grained ash? Sections 2 feet in diameter yield to 1 or 2 swings of the axe with a soulful cracking sound. Makes one feel a bit like Paul Bunyan. Burns good seasoned or not. Only problem is, many were killed off by disease several years ago here in Northeast US. For a while there was plenty of standing dead to take. I still have two living ash trees on my property, but wouldn't think of cutting them down. I've never had a complaint about splitting oak, unless its real knotty. Tom- Original Message - From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:54 AMSubject: [Biofuel] Wood>I heat w/ wood and in my experience oak splits pretty well, better than> hickory or elm. On the other hand, I tend to cut in in 12" rounds to> split and I use a> very heavy maul.>> Some wood, like pear, burns well and it easy to split, as it almost> shatters. Other wood, like box elder, is impossible to split and> doesn't burn worth a hoot. Skip willow entirely.>> Locust is hard to split but you can burn it pretty much w/o seasoning as> it is very dry. Elm is very wet and and I usually have to season it for> a good long time.> I've changed my opinion of mulberry - I used to hate it because it's a> weed tree, but now I like it as it burns well, grows quickly and is easy> to get.>> -Mike>>> Jason & Katie wrote:>>>oak in fact does not split cleanly, and hickory is a real monster to split>>w/o a hydraulic ram splitter>>>>- Original Message - >>From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:38 PM>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst>>>>>>>>>>>Ah, interesting definition. I've never tried to split anything like>>>oak or hickory or such, so I didn't even think that they might not>>>split nicely.>>>>>>On 5/12/06, A. Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>As I understand it, hardwoods when split with an axe will not >>>>necessarily>>>>'go with the grain' of the wood, whereas softwoods (fir, hemlock, etc)>>>>will... Nice smooth splits, no splintering off to one side, which>>>>hardwoods>>>>can, but not always will...>>>>>>>>HTH Al>>>>>>>>>>>>- Original Message ->>>>From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>>To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>>>Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 6:57 AM>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Often all broadleaf trees are called hardwoods, and all conifers are>>>>>called softwoods, but that's not really true. For example, aspens>>>>>have much softer wood than do larch. I'm not sure of a technical>>>>>definition -- a certain hardness or strength or something? Or in this
Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews
Hi Darryl, the R2000 Code wich says beside others :houses constructed using airtight seals and thick insulation that keeps heat from leaking away is not the very best way of constructing a energie efficient Home,because those Homes require forced Air Heating/Cooling! In Northamerica the Magic Formula seemes to be airtigth wrapings outside and Vaporbarriers inside the House,but the most energie efficient houses are Homes built with natural Materials who dont reqire Vaporbarriers (Cob- Log-or Straw houses) Myself i am trying to get people interestet in my project of building homes with double Log Walls from Larchwood (very cheep availible) filled with natural Insulation wich keeps the Wall breeding.The key is not to produce a thawpoint! This technique gives a totally natural Klimate in the home,better tha a handcraftet Loghome! I got sofare the major equipment together the Place/Workshop,but the constant Cashflow problem is slowly killing me! The conclusion therefore is,nowbody is interestet in good workmanship and good technique,everything is measured on quick return and spend al least to get the most!And this is the real american way of life! If you want to see my Portfolio go to www.traditionalwoodwork.ca Fritz - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews R-2000 is the house construction standard developed in Canada decades ago to minimize energy use via insulation, weather-sealing and other technologies. Uptake has been minimal. Last I heard, less than 1/2 of one percent of new home construction in Canada meets this standard.Pity, because study after study shows it reduces life-time ownership costs, and would make a huge difference in making Canadians somewhat less of energy pigs.=http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2006/05/28/pf-1602659.htmlMay 28, 2006By DEAN BEEBYOTTAWA (CP) - One of Canada's oldest energy-conservation programs - the R-2000 standard for new homes - is under threat after an internal analysis found that very few homebuyers even care about it.The 25-year-old insulation standard has become one of the Kyoto-related programs that the new Tory government has put on hold as it conducts a sweeping review of greenhouse-gas spending."With rare exceptions, home-buying consumers are not interested in GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions reduction aspects of housing, and are usually less interested in energy-efficiency than in other features of the house," says an internal report on R-2000, obtained under the Access to Information Act.About 10,000 homes have been built in Canada to the R-2000 standard since the program was introduced in 1981. Interest peaked in 1993, with 1,527 houses constructed using airtight seals and thick insulation that keeps heat from leaking away, but in recent years only about 300 have been certified each year.The standard originated in 1978, in the aftermath of the oil-price shocks, with a demonstration house built by the engineering faculty at the University of Saskatchewan that used half the energy of typical houses.But consumers have been wary of the standard. One federal study a decade ago found that energy savings were less than the higher construction and financing costs of R-2000, and that better returns were available in the stock market.Since 1995, the share of new housing built to the standard has fallen to a fraction of one per cent, even as energy prices rose substantially.Ottawa tried to put the program on a new footing after signing the Kyoto Protocol in 1997, making R-2000 part of basket of initiatives intended to help Canada cut greenhouse-gas emissions.But the Kyoto reorientation has also had little appeal for homebuyers, says the Jan. 26 internal report.R-2000 by itself is doing little to help reduce greenhouse gases by 300,000 tonnes in the new housing market, an informal target set for 2010 by Natural Resources Canada.The program shared a $17-million budget with the popular Energuide program over the five years that ended March 31. Energuide has since fallen victim to the Tories' revamp of greenhouse gas strategies.R-2000, meanwhile remains in limbo along with 94 other Kyoto programs that are being re-examined."We are still waiting for confirmation of funding for this year and the longer term," Ghyslain Charron, spokesman for Natural Resources, said of the R-2000 program."We need to consider R-2000 in the context of all activities related to new housing."Charron, however, said that the aim of the program was always to encourage builders to construct more energy-efficient housing, even if they did not actually seek certification under the standard."Th
[Biofuel] R-2000 programm
Hi Joe, you are rigth on with your comment! Those"Airtigth" Homes need to be serviced by mechanical Aircontrol,wich create again a energieconsumption by itself.Considerin lots of fixt Windows and the great ability of american Windowmakers to trow away all phisical Laws,you end up with Windows of sometimes very big dimention and ridicule small openings for Ventilation at the Bottom of the Windows,so the warm,humid air stays trappet in the upper part of the room or house.It is common knowledge, it takes more energie to keep humid air warm than to reheat cold air!Drywallconstructin is creating also a unhaelty klimat,so you need a humidifier and so on. Double Loghomes (machined dry Lumber T+G) can be built to Standards of Low-energie Homes with K-Value of 0,19W/m2k now i havnt been able to convert this into our R-Value but i am certain,it beats R 2000 by far. Combined a good craftet double Loghome with my 68mm Windows,you have there a Energie efficien home. Fore the Larchwood is to say,Larch is probably the best wood in the northern Hemisphere but have never beeing commercially used because it was in the old times to havy to float and it is so darn hard,that carpenters could not nail it. But with good machines its a peace of cake!There is an other apect talking for Larchwood: one dont need to treat the wood chemically for protection,the most you need to du is applying a coat of Linseedoil (for esthetics only) Windows and Doors from Larch are very durable to. If you consider the Whole Picture: Larch built homes are higly energyefficient, made from a readyly availible lowcost Source and for people with allergies the ideal Home.Combine this with excellent workmanship and you get a result that stand up for centurys (I know Larchbuilt homes with up to 800 years of age) I have no experiance in rammed eart construction,but would raise some doubts about such a technique for canadian climate Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews
Hakan, the thing is not about controlled Ventilation,but more about mechanical controlled Ventilation! Here the replaced20 years ago Windows in our local Schools to install mosttly Fix Panes with very little openings on the Bottoms of the fixed Panes,to find out after 10 Years of use,that the Airducts hade all beeing contaminated! now they ripped everything out and call for new Windows.And guess who is the Architect... the same guy who did the job at first.At the time he dismissed my arguments about proper Ventilation and called me outdatad since in modern times Ventilation is done mechanical.Today they call for PVC Windows!How can you figth stupidity? Fritz - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews Who said that you should not use controlled ventilation and proper construction?HakanAt 16:49 05/06/2006, you wrote:>Hi Guys;>>I had also heard that sealing up a house that tight leads to indoor air>quality issues (especially if the ubiquitous OSB and MDFB materials are>used along with all the carpet, and other textiles that are offgassing>VOC's for a few years)and then heat exchangers are needed to recover>heat from exhaust air and in the end it is not a great idea all things>considered. I am enrolled in a course this summer on how to build a>house from straw bales. I am also interested in what you talked about>Fritz. I have also heard about rammed earth construction but don't know>anything about it. I wonder if it is even suitable for cold climates??>>Joe>>Fritz Friesinger wrote:> > Hi Darryl,> > the R2000 Code wich says beside others :houses constructed using> > airtight seals and thick insulation that> > keeps heat from leaking away> > is not the very best way of constructing a energie efficient> > Home,because those Homes require forced Air Heating/Cooling!> > In Northamerica the Magic Formula seemes to be airtigth wrapings outside> > and Vaporbarriers inside the House,but the most energie efficient houses> > are Homes built with natural Materials who dont reqire Vaporbarriers> > (Cob- Log-or Straw houses)> > Myself i am trying to get people interestet in my project of building> > homes with double Log Walls from Larchwood (very cheep availible) filled> > with natural Insulation wich keeps the Wall breeding.The key is not to> > produce a thawpoint!> > This technique gives a totally natural Klimate in the home,better tha a> > handcraftet Loghome!> > I got sofare the major equipment together the Place/Workshop,but the> > constant Cashflow problem is slowly killing me!> > The conclusion therefore is,nowbody is interestet in good workmanship> > and good technique,everything is measured on quick return and spend al> > least to get the most!And this is the real american way of life!> > If you want to see my Portfolio go to www.traditionalwoodwork.ca> > <http://www.traditionalwoodwork.ca>> > Fritz> >> > - Original Message -> > *From:* Darryl McMahon <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> > *Sent:* Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:43 AM> > *Subject:* [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews> >> > R-2000 is the house construction standard developed in Canada decades> > ago to minimize energy use via insulation, weather-sealing and other> > technologies. Uptake has been minimal. Last I heard, less than 1/2 of> > one percent of new home construction in Canada meets this standard.> > Pity, because study after study shows it reduces life-time ownership> > costs, and would make a huge difference in making Canadians somewhat> > less of energy pigs.> >> > => > http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2006/05/28/pf-1602659.html> >> > May 28, 2006> >> > By DEAN BEEBY> >> > OTTAWA (CP) - One of Canada's oldest energy-conservation programs - the> > R-2000 standard for new homes - is under threat after an internal> > analysis found that very few homebuyers even care about it.> >> > The 25-year-old insulation standard has become one of the Kyoto-related> > programs that the new Tory government has put on hold as it conducts a> > sweeping review of greenhouse-gas spending.> &
Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 programm
Hakan, i think you missed my point,i dont say you should not build conventional Homes,its the Formula of Vapourbarriers and Windwrapping wich should not be written in Granit,my Formula would be Insulation,wich allow breathing of the Walls,in German called " Diffusionsoffen" i guess in english could be open fore diffusion! Fritz - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 programm Fritz,I do not understand this dialogue, when you have a whole nation who on average use 1/3 of energy compared to US and 1/4 compared to Canada, based on equivalent to R-2000 from 1978 and R-1000 from 1958. I like log homes and your sales pitch have some values for home buyers, but it is not a nation wide recipe for conserving energy. I really hope that you sell more log homes, but doubt that they alone will have any major impact on the energy use.A country renew their building stock with between 1 to 2% a year and any serious conservation effort must therefore include much more than new constructions. Methods that can be implemented in refurbishing of buildings are therefore much more important. I doubt that log homes will fit very well in this picture.HakanAt 20:10 05/06/2006, you wrote:>Hi Joe,>you are rigth on with your comment!>Those"Airtigth" Homes need to be serviced by mechanical >Aircontrol,wich create again a energieconsumption by >itself.Considerin lots of fixt Windows and the great ability of >american Windowmakers to trow away all phisical Laws,you end up with >Windows of sometimes very big dimention and ridicule small openings >for Ventilation at the Bottom of the Windows,so the warm,humid air >stays trappet in the upper part of the room or house.It is common >knowledge, it takes more energie to keep humid air warm than to >reheat cold air!Drywallconstructin is creating also a unhaelty >klimat,so you need a humidifier and so on.>Double Loghomes (machined dry Lumber T+G) can be built to Standards >of Low-energie Homes with K-Value of 0,19W/m2k now i havnt been able >to convert this into our R-Value but i am certain,it beats R 2000 by far.>Combined a good craftet double Loghome with my 68mm Windows,you have >there a Energie efficien home.>Fore the Larchwood is to say,Larch is probably the best wood in the >northern Hemisphere but have never beeing commercially used because >it was in the old times to havy to float and it is so darn hard,that >carpenters could not nail it.>But with good machines its a peace of cake!There is an other apect >talking for Larchwood: one dont need to treat the wood chemically >for protection,the most you need to du is applying a coat of >Linseedoil (for esthetics only)>Windows and Doors from Larch are very durable to.>If you consider the Whole Picture: Larch built homes are higly >energyefficient,>made from a readyly availible lowcost Source and for people with >allergies the ideal Home.Combine this with excellent workmanship and >you get a result that stand up for centurys (I know Larchbuilt homes >with up to 800 years of age)>>I have no experiance in rammed eart construction,but would raise >some doubts about such a technique for canadian climate>>Fritz>___>Biofuel mailing list>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever:>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews
Hakan, these very insulation standards making Vapourbarriers an Windbarriers a must and Thats what is no good! Than your special ventilation Windows,if you want to say Tilt and Turn windows,i agree,thats what i am making! I dont agree with 3Layers of glass sinze you cut down on Sunligth too (Plants will die with triple Glass).One can achiefe a similar or better Insulation in increasing the Airspace and using Low E Technologie! The problem with mechanical Air make up is often when Powerfailiers occour and a possible contamination of Air duckts! So i personally prefere Ventilation by Windows Fritz - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews Fritz,I agree with you, but it has very little to do with the insulation standard. In Sweden we have special ventilation "windows", and often mechanical ventilation with heat pump recuperation, very energy efficient even for one family homes. The ventilation windows are used for the rapid room ventilation that you want during cleaning etc. Windows are also three glass in the new 1978 standards, in which we were partially involved.After the 1973 crises, we participated in calculating several experiment houses, with our simulation software, some of them with insufficient ventilation and health, mold problems, etc. The result, among other things, were the ventilation/heat pump recuperation units, which also produces hot water, that now are available from all major suppliers and frequently used. There are also more advanced solutions with storage recuperation.The R-2000 is a good standard and quite optimized, higher insulation standard is very difficult to make functionally working and/or cost effective..HakanAt 13:17 06/06/2006, you wrote:>Hakan,>the thing is not about controlled Ventilation,but more about >mechanical controlled Ventilation!>Here the replaced20 years ago Windows in our local Schools to >install mosttly Fix Panes with very little openings on the Bottoms >of the fixed Panes,to find out after 10 Years of use,that the >Airducts hade all beeing contaminated! now they ripped everything >out and call for new Windows.And guess who is the Architect... the >same guy who did the job at first.At the time he dismissed my >arguments about proper Ventilation and called me outdatad since in >modern times Ventilation is done mechanical.Today they call for PVC >Windows!How can you figth stupidity?>Fritz>- Original Message ->From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Hakan Falk>To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:55 AM>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews>>>Who said that you should not use controlled ventilation and proper>construction?>>Hakan>>At 16:49 05/06/2006, you wrote:> >Hi Guys;> >> >I had also heard that sealing up a house that tight leads to indoor air> >quality issues (especially if the ubiquitous OSB and MDFB materials are> >used along with all the carpet, and other textiles that are offgassing> >VOC's for a few years)and then heat exchangers are needed to recover> >heat from exhaust air and in the end it is not a great idea all things> >considered. I am enrolled in a course this summer on how to build a> >house from straw bales. I am also interested in what you talked about> >Fritz. I have also heard about rammed earth construction but don't know> >anything about it. I wonder if it is even suitable for cold climates??> >> >Joe> >> >Fritz Friesinger wrote:> > > Hi Darryl,> > > the R2000 Code wich says beside others :houses constructed using> > > airtight seals and thick insulation that> > > keeps heat from leaking away> > > is not the very best way of constructing a energie efficient> > > Home,because those Homes require forced Air Heating/Cooling!> > > In Northamerica the Magic Formula seemes to be airtigth wrapings outside> > > and Vaporbarriers inside the House,but the most energie efficient houses> > > are Homes built with natural Materials who dont reqire Vaporbarriers> > > (Cob- Log-or Straw houses)> > > Myself i am trying to get people interestet in my project of building> > > homes with double Log Walls from Larchwood (very cheep availible) filled> > > with natural Insulation wich keeps the Wall breeding.The key is not to> > > produce a thawpoint!> > > This technique gives a totally natural Klimate in th
[Biofuel] Robert Fisk Article
Hello Keith!My daughter, Sabine, noticed on the Independent's website that Robert Fiskhad an article about the Canadian media and their treatment of storiesabout the Middle East or Middle Eastern communities in Canada.We can't access the whole article because we don't have a subscription tothe website. We were thinking that you might have one or know someone whodoes. It looks like a very good article worthy of forwarding widely,especially for those of us here in Canada. If you can, could you forwardit to me please?Fisk wrote the article while he was touring Canada for the Human RightsMedia Institute, a group Sabine is working with. He gave very interestinglectures notably about his new book; The War for Civilisation: theconquest of the Middle East.As you may have been following, there were 17 arrests in Toronto a fewdays back in connection with an alledged terrorist attack. Fisk's articletakes a critical look at the Canadian media's reporting about it amongother things.You should read it. It is, as always, a great piece of journalism.Thanks for your help,Fritz"Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground."- Anonymous ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Robert Fisk Article
Hello Keith, thank you a lot for your help. And let me assure you my gratitude for your staedy figth for a better world and for providing this Forum of distinguished Members. Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] SPHR
Hello Keith, Sabine asked me to foreward her Thanks for your help! Let me take this opportunity to invite You and the members of this list to visit the Solidarity for Palestinian Humanrigths www.SPHR.org Website and see for yourself what they are up to greetings to all Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Bureaucrats knew Kyoto unattainable: documents - National Post - 2006.06.20]
Hey Darryl, so the major issues where blacked out,so we dont know its those damned Oilsands in AB and the way to reffine them what causes the problem! One thing is shure dow,Albertans gona take a lot of money over the Jordanriver on Judgementday Fritz - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Bureaucrats knew Kyoto unattainable: documents - National Post - 2006.06.20] OTTAWA - The Conservative government's much-criticized admission thatCanada cannot meet its requirements under the Kyoto climate-changeprotocol is backed up by documents prepared for the new government byfederal bureaucrats.The documents, obtained through a request made under the Access toInformation Act, indicate public servants at the Natural Resourcesministry had already concluded targets accepted by the previous Liberalgovernment were unattainable, and were waiting for the right moment toadmit it.In material on climate-change policy prepared for the new NaturalResources Minister, Gary Lunn, in March, department officials suggestedthere were three "key issues" facing the newly elected government.No. 1 on the list was: "Whether/when to acknowledge that Canada will bevery unlikely to meet target?"The target in reference is Canada's Kyoto commitment -- which is to cut,by 2012, greenhouse gas emissions to 6% below 1990 levels, as agreed toby the Liberal government in 1997. Based on the most up-to-dateEnvironment Canada statistics, the country's carbon output had increased26.6% above 1990 levels and 34.6% above the country's Kyoto target.A number of pages and sections of the briefing material were blacked outor omitted, as department officials cited numerous confidentialityconcerns. For instance, three pages dealing with the issue of whether orwhen Canada should acknowledge its likely Kyoto failure were censored.That means the reasons why the department has identified this as the topkey issue for the Minister are not available.Bureaucrats generally prepare briefing material for ministers --including how government decisions are being implemented, hurdles aheadand a list of talking points ministers should stick to when answeringquestions. While politicians make policy decisions, such as adopting theKyoto protocol, it is up to bureaucrats to implement such orders.The Conservative government and its Environment Minister, Rona Ambrose,have been under regular assault since Ms. Ambrose declared Canada cannotmeet its obligations under the accord and therefore will not followthrough with a $10-billion strategy developed by the Liberal governmentto meet that target.The Liberal strategy consisted largely of buying foreign "credits" tooffset the continued high rate of emissions.Ms. Ambrose has said the government is working on a made-in-Canadaenvironment plan that will include realistic targets to be met within alonger timeframe.She predicted in a recent speech that other countries would followCanada's lead and admit they, too, cannot meet targets outlined in theKyoto protocol.Meanwhile, members of the House of Commons environment committeeexpressed frustration yesterday at Ms. Ambrose's refusal to testifybefore the all-party group about government plans. She declined arequest from the committee to appear this week before the session endsfor the summer break."It is fundamentally discouraging not to be able to question her,"Nathan Cullen, the NDP environment critic, told his Conservativecolleagues.-- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.comIt's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ants
Hi Jason, Ants are milking Lice,as we milk cows,so why should they destroy theire Livestock? You would need the Ladybug this is the one killing the Lice and other Parasites! Good luck with your Garden Fritz - Original Message - From: Jason& Katie To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] ants i noticed that there are large numbers of ants in my wife's herb planter, and i have also noticed a /major/ decrease in bug eaten leaves. do some species of ants hunt these pest bugs? or is it just because of the aging cycles of these pest bugs caused them to move on?JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ants
An other thing, if you want to get rid of your Ants,put Tomatoeleafes around the infestet Aerea and the Ants will leafe the place Fritz - Original Message - From: Jason& Katie To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] ants i noticed that there are large numbers of ants in my wife's herb planter, and i have also noticed a /major/ decrease in bug eaten leaves. do some species of ants hunt these pest bugs? or is it just because of the aging cycles of these pest bugs caused them to move on?JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?
Hi Ken, how about a 25KVA Genset run on Methanegaz? it seems to me Methane is the Way to go! Why... there is the transport and handling of the Biofuel a lot of manpower involved! You can set up a Methaneproduction with your Wast,the Bacteria will do the work for you and your own Methaneproduction will be put to good use instead of releasing it in the Athmosphere,where it contributes to global warming! with a budget of 17 US grands i would not hesitate ,its a one time spending,than you are homefree Fritz - Original Message - From: Jason& Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid? is it to a workshed or is it to your house? if it is a house, i personally would start with a 25Kw generator for main power(on BD of course), and then next begin replacing big energy sinks like heating and cooling with geothermal, woodfire, heating oil(and all its variants), biogas, or solar/solar-thermal systems (preferably a mix for reliability). it will take a while, but after all is said and done, you can call out the PGE surveyor and rub it in his face.(oh BTW, show him the total cost and compare his first estimate, then tell him to take his 17000 powerline and stick it! ;D )JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message - From: "Ken Provost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:35 PMSubject: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?> Just got the quote from PG&E for the hookup to a power line> 700 ft away -- $17000 USD !>> Granted, a good standalone system would be at least> twice that, given my love of power tools and radiant> floor heat :-) Still it's offensive to just cave in to them, and> it's almost like they priced the connection at the maximum> that would still be (barely) advantageous to accept.>> I'm tempted to stay offgrid just for 700 feet -- any thoughts> would be welcome.>>>> -K>> ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>>> -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/2006> -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs
Forewardet by Fritz --Check Your BeliefsBy Charley Reese03/17/06 -- -- Let's play a fantasy game to check onour belief in human rights. Let's suppose that in amythical state, a governor announced a campaign topunish African-Americans for alleged violence.Step one is to confiscate the land owned byAfrican-Americans, evict them from it and use the landto build massive new subdivisions. Only whiteProtestant Christians may live in these subdivisions.Step two is to connect these all-white ProtestantChristian settlements to each other by a highway onwhich African-Americans are forbidden to drive. Tofacilitate control, the automobile tags forAfrican-Americans will be a different color from thetags issued to white motorists. Checkpoints would beset up all around the state capitol to search andharass African-Americans trying to enter.Would you support such a plan? Would you hail thatmythical governor as a man of peace? Would you go toyour church congregation and ask the members to sendmoney to the occupants of these white settlements?Would you lobby the federal government to subsidizethis new apartheid state in our midst?I don't think so. I think most Americans wouldconsider such acts an abomination, un-American and amockery of everything both Christianity and the UnitedStates stand for.Well, if you would condemn such acts here directedagainst African-Americans, why won't you condemnidentical acts committed against the Palestinians bythe state of Israel?Those settlements you hear about are built onPalestinian land, and they are for Jews only. Newroads that Palestinians are forbidden to use connectthem. The entire West Bank is riddled with Israelicheckpoints, where innocent Palestinians are dailyhumiliated and harassed. A trip to a nearby villagecan mean waiting in line at checkpoints for hours.Palestinians have died in these lines.After all of these humiliations, abuses, the housesdestroyed, the children killed, the olive treesuprooted, how do you think Palestinians feel aboutAmericans who support the Israelis no matter what theydo to the Palestinians? Don't take my word about theseabuses. Check out the Israeli human-rightsorganization at www.btselem.org/English.If you cannot condemn the flagrant abuses ofPalestinians by the Israeli government, then you areundoubtedly a bigot, the worst kind of racist pig whobelieves that Palestinians are some kind of subspeciesof the human race. If you do condemn in your heartthese terrible abuses, but are afraid to speak outabout them, then you are a damned coward.I listened in disgust to a congressional committeehearing on the Palestinian elections. It was all aboutwhat the Palestinians have to do. It was as if thecops, interviewing a child who had been raped by anadult, lectured the child on dressing provocativelyand of being in places she should not have been in.The Palestinians are the victims here. It is theirland that is occupied. They have no army. They are atthe mercy of the Israeli government. They don't have asuperpower protecting them from internationalsanctions and supplying them with billions of dollars.The United States should be telling Israel to get outof the West Bank and East Jerusalem, to dismantle itssettlements and checkpoints, and to allow Palestinianrefugees to return to or be compensated for the landthe Israelis stole.You want to know why we have a problem with terrorism?It's not Islamic fundamentalists or hatred of freedom.It's our support of Israel's unspeakable abuse ofPalestinians. Don't blame Osama bin Laden. Blame thepresident, Congress, the American Israel PublicAffairs Committee and all the cowardly Americans whopractice hypocrisy by claiming to be moral whilesupporting gross immorality committed against theirfellow human beings in Palestine.© 2006 by King Features Syndicate, Inc."Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground."- Anonymous ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs
Bob,
i bett you havent wread the report of www.btselem.org
you would not talk such rhubbish!
Fritz
- Original Message -
From:
Bob Molloy
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:52
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check Your
Beliefs
Yo Fritz,
Yeah, right on Fritz. And just to prove it your
ethnic forebears killed off six million of these bloody Jews only to have
the rest of us dumb westerners stop them just before they'd finished
the job. Now it's up to the poor Palestinians with only suicide bombers and
Katushya rockets to carry on where the rest of us left off. We need to force
the Israelis to open these roads, tear down their walls and move back onto
their own territory so that the bombers in civilian clothing have a fighting
chance to get closer to Israeli settlements. At least let's have a level
playing field here. After it's all over and the Palestinians have finally
established their Muslim state we can allow a few Israeli refugees into
western countries just as long as they toe the line and run the garbage
collection systems for us.
Good one, Fritz,
Bob.
- Original Message -----
From:
Fritz Friesinger
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:33
AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Check Your
Beliefs
Forewardet by Fritz
--Check
Your BeliefsBy Charley Reese03/17/06 -- -- Let's play a
fantasy game to check onour belief in human rights. Let's suppose that
in amythical state, a governor announced a campaign topunish
African-Americans for alleged violence.Step one is to confiscate the
land owned byAfrican-Americans, evict them from it and use the
landto build massive new subdivisions. Only whiteProtestant
Christians may live in these subdivisions.Step two is to connect
these all-white ProtestantChristian settlements to each other by a
highway onwhich African-Americans are forbidden to drive.
Tofacilitate control, the automobile tags forAfrican-Americans will
be a different color from thetags issued to white motorists. Checkpoints
would beset up all around the state capitol to search andharass
African-Americans trying to enter.Would you support such a plan?
Would you hail thatmythical governor as a man of peace? Would you go
toyour church congregation and ask the members to sendmoney to the
occupants of these white settlements?Would you lobby the federal
government to subsidizethis new apartheid state in our midst?I
don't think so. I think most Americans wouldconsider such acts an
abomination, un-American and amockery of everything both Christianity
and the UnitedStates stand for.Well, if you would condemn such
acts here directedagainst African-Americans, why won't you
condemnidentical acts committed against the Palestinians bythe state
of Israel?Those settlements you hear about are built
onPalestinian land, and they are for Jews only. Newroads that
Palestinians are forbidden to use connectthem. The entire West Bank is
riddled with Israelicheckpoints, where innocent Palestinians are
dailyhumiliated and harassed. A trip to a nearby villagecan mean
waiting in line at checkpoints for hours.Palestinians have died in these
lines.After all of these humiliations, abuses, the
housesdestroyed, the children killed, the olive treesuprooted, how
do you think Palestinians feel aboutAmericans who support the Israelis
no matter what theydo to the Palestinians? Don't take my word about
theseabuses. Check out the Israeli human-rightsorganization at www.btselem.org/English.If
you cannot condemn the flagrant abuses ofPalestinians by the Israeli
government, then you areundoubtedly a bigot, the worst kind of racist
pig whobelieves that Palestinians are some kind of subspeciesof the
human race. If you do condemn in your heartthese terrible abuses, but
are afraid to speak outabout them, then you are a damned
coward.I listened in disgust to a congressional committeehearing
on the Palestinian elections. It was all aboutwhat the Palestinians have
to do. It was as if thecops, interviewing a child who had been raped by
anadult, lectured the child on dressing provocativelyand of being in
places she should not have been in.The Palestinians are the victims
here. It is theirland that is occupied. They have no army. They are
atthe mercy of the Israeli government. They don't have asuperpower
protecting them from internationalsanctions and supplying them with
billions of dollars.The United States should be telling Israel to get
outof the West Bank and East Jerusalem, to dismantle itssettlements
an
Re: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest
Mike, what you are saying is,Palestine was British then? so how it became British?and thas this make the whole thing less hard for the Palestinians? What happened a hundred years ago should not happening anymore today! We came a long way to realize the wrongs of the past but instaed of garding that those attrocytis cant be repeatet we are turning a blind eye and excuse things with old rethoric.Your analysis sucks but then you are US Citicen and what can we expect from such! To my very own situation,i live in Quebec Canada on a piece of Land (a former open pit Graphit mine) nobody wantet so i got it fairly cheep.But then i am cleaning up the mess a US Mining companie had left and this for seven years now! i have put trouts in my lakes and had spent a lot of money for topsoil and plant trees and garden!And once i be finished (probably never) people will come and ask if the could live on my land and i will refuse the request if the show me the same attitude as you Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest I can't say I am always a fan of the Israeli government right or wrong, and let's be honest, they've made some mistakes (but then look at the US gov't), but they arein an impossible spot. Do they need some nudging to do they right thing? Yes, but we all do.Let's stop and think, "Why are they where they are? - Because NO Western country would take then. Roosevelt turned away of boatload of Jewish refugees. They really didn't have a lot of options. In Poland, TWO YEARS after WWII ended, there was a massacre of Jews. I can understand why one might gamble on a boat trip to (then) British Palestine rather than go "home" to Europe.Personally, I think the whole idea was ill-conceived, and US should have settled the refugees in the largely unocupied American West. Heck, a state even.Besides, I think if you wait long enough, Fritz, you'll see the same behavior here anyway. We're already denying blacks the right to vote in some states, and it's pretty much illegal to be black in a white area after dark already. >>Step one is to confiscate the land owned byAfrican-Americans, [or Native Americans] evict them from it and use the landto build massive new subdivisions. Only whiteProtestant Christians may live in these subdivisions. - Check, doing that here.I notice you're in Canada - do you live in a house? Where did the land come from? A friendly Algonkin <http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/algonquian/algonhist1.htm> give it to you? I notice the Canadia Government has beenhaving a little trouble with its First Nation denizens - a few Mohawk lawsuits here and there. "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged.<http://bible.cc/matthew/7-2.htm>For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you.^3 <http://bible.cc/matthew/7-3.htm> Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye?Or, let he who is free from sin cast the first stone.-MikeFritz Friesinger wrote:> Bob,> i bett you havent wread the report of www.btselem.org > <http://www.btselem.org>> you would not talk such rhubbish!> Fritz>> - Original Message -> *From:* Bob Molloy <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:52 PM> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs>> Yo Fritz,> Yeah, right on Fritz. And just to prove it your ethnic forebears> killed off six million of these bloody Jews only to have the rest> of us dumb westerners stop them just before they'd finished the> job. Now it's up to the poor Palestinians with only suicide> bombers and Katushya rockets to carry on where the rest of us left> off. We need to force the Israelis to open these roads, tear down> their walls and move back onto their own territory so that the> bombers in civilian clothing have a fighting chance to get closer> to Israeli settlements. At least let's have a level playing field> here. After it's all over and the Palestinians have finally> established their Muslim state we can allow a few Israeli refugees> into western countries just as long as they toe the line and run> the garbage collection systems for us.> Good one, Fritz,> Bob. >> - Origin
[Biofuel] Your Beliefs
Not to mention the unecessary use of two atomic bombs on the Japanese. Americans are the only ones ever to massacre human beings with nuclear weapons and yet they deem themselves to be the ones worthy of having them.huh?Joe Hey Joe, you speak my mind thanks Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest
Mike, your point,that it was british Palestine and so make things sound,it was not real Palestine! Than,if you say,the Israeli Gvnmt.hade made some mistakes it souns like: everyone is entitled to some Mistakes and so But you are so far of reality as if you would say Hitler made some Mistakes and this is making my final point in my last Mail! After all it is your Gvnmt. who supplies the Arms to Israel and therefor you are as guilty as my Parents have been in the Holocaust Simon Wiesenthal said :you have to make a stand !What an emty Phrase considering the murder going on in Palestine,an occupation lasting now 40 Years To you point 6. I doo think that you beeing an US American impairs your thinking and the lack of my intellectual capacity is more my lack of good english get the picture? Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest Fritz,1. No, I said it was then called British Palestine.2. It was then ruled by the British as part of the British Empire. But, than does not make it British. The people living there were primarily Muslim Arabs, a few Christians and, surprisingly, some Jewish people.3. I am not saying things are not hard for Palestinians under the Israeli government, not to mention the PA is likely the most corrupt government in the world.4. I am also not saying I approve of everything the Israeli Gov't does.5. I also never said I approve of the way Israel is handling the current situation.6. My being an American does not impair my thinking; ad hominem attacks usually indicate that you are out of intellectual ammo.7. My point with the land is that most of us in North America are arguably living on land that was home to Native Americans. I'm fairly sure my huse is on land once occupied by the Algonkian nation. If you are in Quebec, you are probably living on Abenaki land.8. I offer no defense of US mining companies. Most of what they do is indefensible.9. I am saying I think blowing each other to bits won't solve anything.Nowhere in my post do I say I defend what is going on in Palestine and Israel. I did say I think it was a mistake to drop all the Jewish refugees into that area.But, no one else wanted them. I personally think the US should have taken them in. I am not quite sure what you mean by your last sentance.-MikeFritz Friesinger wrote:> Mike,> what you are saying is,Palestine was British then? so how it became > British?and thas this make the whole thing less hard for the Palestinians?> What happened a hundred years ago should not happening anymore today!> We came a long way to realize the wrongs of the past but instaed of > garding that those attrocytis cant be repeatet we are turning a blind > eye and excuse things with old rethoric.Your analysis sucks but then > you are US Citicen and what can we expect from such!> To my very own situation,i live in Quebec Canada on a piece of Land (a > former open pit Graphit mine) nobody wantet so i got it fairly > cheep.But then i am cleaning up the mess a US Mining companie had left > and this for seven years now!> i have put trouts in my lakes and had spent a lot of money for topsoil > and plant trees and garden!And once i be finished (probably never) > people will come and ask if the could live on my land and i will > refuse the request if the show me the same attitude as you> Fritz>> - Original Message -> *From:* Mike Weaver <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:18 AM> *Subject:* [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest>> I can't say I am always a fan of the Israeli government right or> wrong,> and let's be honest, they've made some mistakes (but then look at> the US> gov't), but they are> in an impossible spot. Do they need some nudging to do they right> thing? Yes, but we all do.>> Let's stop and think, "Why are they where they are? - Because NO> Western country would take then. Roosevelt turned away of boatload of> Jewish refugees. They really didn't have a lot of options. In> Poland,> TWO YEARS after WWII ended, there was a massacre of Jews. I can> understand why one might gamble on a boat trip to (then) British> Palestine rather than go "home" to Europe.>> Personally, I think the whole idea was ill-conceived, and US> should have> settled the refugees in the larg
[Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
So Bob, You are rigth on this,its about Land,Power Oil and Money and so on! The fact that the UNO did sanction the implantation of Israel is no consolation for the dispossest Palestinians,who have been driven of theire Land without compensation or all! That the Arabligue did oppose the implantation of Israel is no secret and the price for all this have been payed by the Palestinian Population! The Shabra and Shatilla Massacres and the rest of the atrocyties by the Israel Government on Palestinians can all be excused by your motion of "survival of the fittest" Well German Nazis had to stand trial for their Warcrimes and so i agree with all Holocaust sufferers (and the rest of the civil world) that there should not be any amnesty for Warcriminals! But explain me why the Shabra and Shatilla Massacres have not been punished despite the perpetrayers have been clearly identified? And explain me why we have a "Convention of Geneva" and why we have established basic Humanrigths if you can brush them away with "survival of the fittest" Now,i can not beliefe that all the things you have said are your real beliefes so i think you are sarcastic but you should realice that is exactly the problem in our society at the very most we are "sarcastic" the suffering of these people does not concern us to much after all its not hurting us directly or is it? Fritz - Original Message - From: Bob Molloy To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Hey guys, It's a war; dirty, messy, cruel, inhuman andunnecessary - unless you happen to be a Palestinian yearning for your landback or an Israeli who's been threatened with annihilation since birth. It'salso a war that's been going on since mankind began. It's about land andreligion and culture and who dominates who. There are no rights and wrongsthere are only who wins and who loses. The winners write history and we moveon.Mike Weaver made the point when he wondered if he might be living on landowned by an indigenous people, a point which also applies to you too, Fritz,despite your disingenuous attempt to justify occupation of "unwanted" land.However, before you think of noble savages, remember that all those nicepeace-loving indigenes slaughtered and plundered their way through themillenia since they left Africa (where we all originated) to wherever theyfinally settled. The 19th century saw the last vestiges of this land grab.If you were a theologian you'd call it original sin. Darwin was earthier,and more enlightening, he called it survival of the fittest. You may takesides, wring your hands, jump up and down, talk about human rights but weare all - even those nice people in the rain forest who we think live inharmony with nature - guilty of genocide and dispossession. In the presentcase it's called the Arab-Israeli war. We'll know who was right whensomebody wins.And if you've forgotten how it all began, here's a brief sketch. I found iton my thumbnail.The UNO blessing on the establishment of Israel in 1948 was merely therecognition of a de facto situation. From that moment on Israel was de jure,i.e. a legal entity in international law. The Arabs disagreed. Five Arabarmies (Egypt, Syria, Trans-Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq - including theBritish-trained and armed Arab Legion) immediately invaded the fledglingstate. The world responded by clapping a total arms embargo on Israel.Against that the Israelis had nine obsolete aircraft, a few tanks, fewerthan 20,000 armed civilians -and balls. They won, and pushed out theirfrontiers to safeguard their collective backsides from future attacks.The attacks never stopped (rockets, mines, cross-border shelling andguerilla incursions) but the next big one came in 1967 - the so-called SixDay War. This time the Arabs meant business. Egypt closed the Straits ofTiran to all Israeli shipping, cutting off Israel's only supply route withAsia and stopping the flow of oil from its main supplier, Iran.President Nasser of Egypt challenged Israel to fight. "Our basic objectivewill be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight." Heordered all UN peace-keeping forces stationed on Israeli borders to leave.The UN complied without even calling a meeting. The Voice of the Arabs radiostation proclaimed: "As of today, there no longer exists an internationalemergency force to protect Israel. The sole method we shall apply againstIsrael is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionistexistence". Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad was more blunt: "The Syrianarmy, with its finger on the trigger, is unitedI, as a military man,believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation.Nasser topped that: "We shall not enter P
[Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
Hi Bob, Keith was a bit faster (and for shure better )in responding to your mail than me there is only one thing i would like to add: When I notice injustice I speak against it at the least and when I can, DO something about it, without hurting others in the process. Basically, I do what I can to change the injustice to help If you cant live by these basic morals, then why bother quoting the bible . The bible then just becomes a tool to justify more crimes against humanity and oppression. I dont think the bible was meant for that . Thanks Keith for putting things in to perspectiv Greetings to all Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
Bob and all, here is an answer of my goog friend Shadi Hadjara,a Christian Palestinenser on your Mail Fritz Actually, the tactic of deploying suicide bombers against Israeli civiliansonly started in 1994 in retaliation to the Hebron Massacre. In March 1994,at the peak of the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians (wherePalestinians were begrudgingly accepting to give away more than 3/4 of theirancestrial land and control over most of their sovreignty over their newlyformed bantustans for peace), a Jewish settler in Hebron sneaks into theHebron mosque during morning prayers. He unloads his automatic rifle on thekneeling crowd killing 4 dozen and injuring another 100. The first suicidebombing took place 3 weeks later.As for rocket attacks, the 1967 six day war resulted in the murder of morethan 20,000 civilians by Israeli missiles. The 1982 three month Israeliinvasion of Lebanon resulted in the massacre of another 20,000 Palestinianand Lebanese civilians by Israel. So please don't squabble over a fewmissiles in the arsenal of resistence groups that only formed to defendtheir respective communities against a murderous enraged rogue state.In the context of what took place in the past, Palestinians would not havefiercely opposed Israel if the Zionist pioneers had decided to create astate in Uganda. The fact is that Israel was created over their land byforcefully pushing them out of their towns and villages. The precurssor usedto justify those atrocities in 1948 was the Jewish suffering in theHolocaust. When Europe de jure accepted Israel, it was not because theallied government believe in Israel's right to exist but for, what I believeis, the massive guilt of allowing the devestation of the Holocaust to runfor so long combined with the underlying anti-semitism that still remains.So basically, Europeans did not want the Jews in their midst but at the sametime felt that sending them off to their "ancestrial" land is much moreideal, humanely speaking, than sending them off to the gas chambers. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FYI - I'm back from Nova Scotia. What a great time!
Hey Mike, Way to go!! Congrats and good Luck to the newly wedd! Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Redler To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: [Biofuel] FYI - I'm back from Nova Scotia. What a great time! Hi everyone,As someone who never placed much emphasis on the meaning of weddings, believes that a marriage is left to the interpretation of those who decide to make such a commitment and that it should NEVER include or require a government form or record, I conceded on July 15th. Sometimes it's good to pick fights wisely for the sake of maintaining harmony in one's (mostly conservative) family.The good news is that our wedding was a blast! It was an ethnic German (Bavarian) theme and roughly 1/3 of the guests were in traditional garb. That's right Fritz, for the men, that means Lederhosen!Last week, we spent our honeymoon in Baddeck - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia and absolutely loved it! I don't know if Bob reported back on his experience in that region but, I was amazed at their effort to conserve and protect nature. We took day trips on the Cabot Trail, hiked, bicycled and Kayaked. We had almost daily sightings of bald eagles and two close encounters with moose. We sailed on a schooner and spotted dolphins, puffins and other wildlife. Most importantly, we tried our best to "leave only footprints and take only memories".I'll try to get the pictures up somewhere in case some of you are curious.-Redler___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Blood Borders:the Middle East
Is there a new middle east in the making? courios about your opinion Fritz http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG
One dime from me on this! I believe the state of thinking of the general puplic is preoccupied with important Things like Baseball or Hockey or Football or so on You only have to listen to the news and then you know all about it!Nothing gets more coverage on TV and Radio as Sports !Our idols you name them! And all this is a major plot of our Govmnts to due what ever they want PANEM ET CIRCENCES Jules Ceasar know already how to manipulate the PLEPS! How we gonna change all this? we need to get rid of all our Massmedia,change Journalismteachers and Schools and get started with independet Journalism! Keith would know more about this subject! Fritz - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG I'm with you Kirk on this one. Look at the educational system in the U.S.A., maybe anywhere. For the most part, folks are not taught how to think, only what to think...from kindergarten through high school. Add to that many kids social background, parents who were subjected to the same bullshit system and there you go...now now children, remember George Washington, couldn't tell a lie...what crap. Add to that the religion foisted on folks and socialization to trust, to forgive, to do everything except open their eyes and behold the hand in their pockets...need I say more??? Yes, I do. Zeke, who have you helped today see a little more clearly who you knew was blind before today? I wonder what might happen if everyone of us on this list took it upon ourselves to help educate just one person/family who we knew needed help learning how to think? What changes might we wreak on the planet Keith, would you be willing to have each of us send you a name of someone each of us were choosing to help...and keep of list of who was making the commitment? Geez, we can preach all day to each other, folks. But until we get beyond the comfy confines of this List and on the road of a real Journey To Forever, well...ah what am I wrting about anyway I know this List isn't what this List is supposed to be about...but I saw the same thing in 1988 when I ran for our State Senate...preachers preaching to the choirwho cares? Nothing changes until someone really changes, until one more person is helped to be unplugged from "choicelessness" and reconnected with their natural mind of awareness and curiosity and the willingness to question authority. Amen. Mike DuPree PS So who am I helping? No one presently, at least not in the sense I've talked about in this diatribe. I'm hoping my putting myself on the line like this will help me do same. Not even really sure how I might go about it or with whom. But maybe a new thread along these lines would be appropriate. Share ideas etc. Hey...please don't get me wrong...this is a great List. I'm so thankful for the discussion that takes place here. I just get the feeling we're too closed off from the world, especially when I see comments like Zeke's. Folks outside of this List really need help. Big time help. But how? How do we help them? How do each of us who know better about what's happening help folks who don't or who are so entombed in the social milieu they've lost even an inkling of doing somethig different. Whatever...I'm rambling. Take care. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG Sure - I agree we need to have informed opinions. But remember - half the people have below average intelligence. Do you flush them? - victimize them? -??? They exist and their vote counts as much as yours. Sorry state of affairs but what can you do? I offer people free advice. Some use it - some waste my time and do what they were going to do. There are many people out there that are just not equipped. Nice people. Honest people - but so uneducated as to be alarming. And I think that is deliberate. Easier to manipulate that way. KirkZeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, there is a great conspiracy among companies, builders, etc, that people trust far more than they should, to bilk people out of money. But to argue that ignorance somehow absolves people of their responsibility in this, seems like a rather weak arguement. Alot of people who voted for Bush didn't know that he supports terrorism, tortue, air pollution, whatever else, because they only watch Fox news, if that. They just thought he
Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG
Hey Guys, dont forget,school is to learn how to learn! Fritz - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG Perhaps Michael achieved this insight in spite of going to school. I learned more on my own than in the school system. Kirkrobert and benita rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Michael Redler wrote: "Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby "schooled" to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His imagination is "schooled" to accept service in place of value. Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military poise for national security, the rat race for productive work. Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavor are defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools, and other agencies in question." From: Why We Must Disestablish School by Ivan Illich The fact that you're posting this illustrates its fallacy. True education does not producing unthinking slaves, else NONE of us would have any hope of independent thought.robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Hi Bob , This would be called Terrorism Fritz - Original Message - From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book my mind, my body, yes to a degree, but"And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die."surely you jest.if intercessory prayer can work to cure, ie change an individuals physiology, then shouldn't it be possible to have negative effects via prayer? Could I "pray" somebody sick? say dick chaney? ;->Mike Redler wrote:> FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in > the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body > connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that.> > -Redler> > > Kirk McLoren wrote:>> >> *Reinventing Medicine by * Larry Dossey >> <http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8&index=books&rank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterank&field-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey> >>>> Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants >> won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying >> for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of >> /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think >> about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco >> can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells >> to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other >> similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ >> by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities.> [snip]> > > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> -- --Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercisesin moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Eh thanks Zeke for pointing this out! When i read about OBL the Terrorist than again on wich Payroll was he an who shoed him how to be a terrorist? Doesnt that looks a little like the Sorcers apprentice who gots out of control? And than that talk of the cowardly Terrorists who hide amongst inocent civilians and now you have to blow them up alltogether!This is like the Police would blow up a Bank with all the people in it because they have to get the robbers! What kind of sick philosophy is that? Ah i get it,its US American! my 5cents Fritz - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney If you read OBL's talks, doesn't he speak of deciding on his jihad against the US when he saw the buildings in Beruit being blown up by the US/Israel in 1982? Sounds like Reagan's reign to me. Though I think that actually, Reagan's foiling of US fuel economy and energy efficiency standards probably has as much or more to do with it. Through our oil habit we've been supporting the massacre of civillians for years (all the way back to the 50's according to some). The rest of the world knows this, but through our own censored/skewed media, we hide this from our own citizens, who are then suprised when someone strikes back at us. On 9/11/06, Gregg Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Gregg,> I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick >when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's >administration could have done things differently but remember, the >attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over >several years.>>On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote:> > Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up >with something better than that?>>Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was >outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you >suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to >the deaths of the US's service men and women? >>Clinton was never impeached, he remained in office. He basically received a "slap on the wrist" and was disbarred for a short period of time. Our military personnel knew what they were getting into when they VOLUNTEERED for service. Nobody was drafted.<< I believe some foreign civilians might have been killed too, just in case anyone's interested. >>Yes, you're quite right, as a result of Clinton bombing an aspirin/ibuprofen/acetominaphine factory. I do not dispute that Iraqi civilians have been killed. Unfortunately, when cowardly terrorist hide among civilians it's impossible to keep that from happening.<< ICH: 62,006 - 180,000, The number killed in the 'war on terror'http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14906.htmNumber Of Iraqi Civilians Slaughtered In America's War? As Many As 250,000http://www.marchforjustice.com/shock&awe.phpEg. And the rest!All strangely invisible from within the borders of the US somehow.BestKeith>Or a lie about why 3000 people lost their lives in 9/11?>> >> > I'm so sorry we pissed off "Uncle" Osama. We'd better not make >him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us.>>Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on >one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And >my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two >presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's >successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to >propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the >Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic >and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie >about why and how it happened.>>Clinton did more to embolden OBL than any President we've had. Cutting & Running is Game Plan #1 in the Democrat/Liberal Playbook.<< >>-dave ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Talk is ch
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Eh Gustl, you hit the Nail Fritz - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender To: Fritz Friesinger Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jano Bua,Du denkst: Macht es nicht.Jason denkt: Es macht mir nichts.Ich denke: Mir ist es Wurst. hihihiMach's guat. ;o)Pfüatdigod und Happy Happy,GustlTuesday, 12 September, 2006, 06:14:30, you wrote:FF> Eh Jason,FF> Your german needs some workover too et means :dont due it!FF> Fritz FF> - Original Message - FF> From: Jason& Katie FF> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org FF> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:05 PMFF> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyFF> your german needs work. Machs /nicht/ means " it makes nothing" or "it doesnt matter" Machs nich is a sneeze..snip...-- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails.The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.Those who dance are considered insane by those who can'thear the music. George CarlinThe best portion of a good man's life -His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.William Wordsworth___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc
Hey Mike, whats wrong with crossword puzzle on the toilet? dodnt take me this pleasure away please!! Fritz - Original Message - From: dupster To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc Say it IS so, Joe! No need, IMHO!!!, being humble about it. The world could really care less what organization someone's brain belongs to...we just want to know what someone is doing with that brain to help the world. Otherwise, here, I have a crossword puzzle or two for those self-important brains to work on while they sit on the toilet. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc Hi Gustl;Your point about judgement taken, but I would like to suggest, (and no doubt I'll be flamed for this butoh well flame suit on) that anyone who feels the need to have their intelligence rated or feels the need to be able to make some claim about it, has an ego problem that would IMHO preclude them from certain levels of sensitivity, introspection and self awareness that I tend to associate with the aquisition of wisdom.Just my two cents.Joe[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo, Back in '66 just after returning from the Nam I was hanging out with college kids and this prof who they hung out with started telling me about mensa and asked me if I wanted to test. I did test and was invited to join but first was invited to one of their meetings to check it out. Turned out that all these geniuses had all the answers to the problem in the Nam and that everyone else was just ignorant. That was enough for me. A bunch of arrogant clowns is what I found. Never set a foot in the Nam but knew all the answers. A partner of mine from the Detroit area tested a couple of years ago and did join but without going to a meeting first. He spent 1 year as a member and attended 2 of their meetings before coming to the same conclusion I had back in '66. Seems times had changed but mensa hadn't. All that being said, it is still wise to remember not to judge a book by its cover. There may be some decent ones out there. Happy Happy, Gustl On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:35:49 -0700 "A. Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You don't really think he's Mensa level do you?? I think Keith nailed it with his comments about sociopathy... they too, are "out there" and have opinions - which unfortunately are often skewed by their disorder (when untreated) Life as we know it, goes on... - Original Message - From: Fred Finch To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc On 9/13/06, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You're a noble man Fred. Sorry to say the chances of it happening would have been zilch. "Would have been" because it's too late for that, it went too far. I doubt an apology would have been acceptable anyway. Regards Keith I like to think that given a chance he might have come around. Alas, the decision has been made. This is the second Mensa clown that stumbled to the group only to make an ass out of himself. Why is that? Is there a requirement that you have to be heartless and souless to become a member? Perhaps they are too smart for their own good, fred >On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >I just have to say, I think its rather funny that my personal beliefs can >cause such a shit storm > >-Original Message- >From: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >lelists.org >[mailto:biofuel-bounces@ > sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of David Penfold >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:43 AM >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc > >Thor, > >it's not overly sensitive to dislike insinuations that you would be >perfectly happy to use nuclear bombs on a whole region in order to get your >oil. > >You're a small-minded idiot. > > >Message: 9 > >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:58:24 -0700 > >From: "Thor Burfine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney > >To: <<mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > >Message-ID: ><<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ced72aa8928b4ffdb &
[Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconveniant Truth'
Hi Terry, The main issue is that both Al Gore and Dr. Suzuki are influencing alot of people which is the most important thing now. Time is important because 2007 could be the pivitol year to save this planet. David Suzuki wrote in his Book : "towards the year 2040" ,the pivitol year to save this planet was 2004 ! Are we delaying this now from year to year?? just wondering Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How do you catch 4 crows?
Hi Keith, there was a device mentionned in Wilhelm Busch's (no appaerent relation to GWB) Story of Max und Moritz,when the two rascals trappt Widdow Boltes chicken. Two cross-knotted strings 6ft in length with each end some breadkrumbs fastened on.Put this device on top of your chickenhouse,ATTENTION DONT PUT IT WHERE THE CHICKENS FEED !! It was very efficient in the Max und Moritz Story,why should it not be good for outher birds?! Apparently it works best on 4 Crows at a time Or try it simply whit an old fashioned Scarecrow Best Luck Fritz - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:23 AM Subject: [Biofuel] How do you catch a crow? Hi all A pesky crow moved in a couple of weeks ago. I guess they're all pesky, I haven't met any other kind. It reckons this is its territory now, there are good pickings here, it's taken to scavenging poultry feed for instance, sneak-thief, darts in as soon as your back's turned. Trouble is there'll be flocks of hatchlings around soon, with their mums to look after them indeed, but chicks run around, the crow will get some of them. We killed a crow a year or two ago. We'd been having problems with them, thieving and so on, and they killed five chicks. Then a couple of crows got into the chicken hutch and Midori killed one, the other escaped. We hung the dead one up outside the chicken hutch and the crows kept away after that. Up to now. How do you catch a crow when it's not trapped in a chicken hutch? Any ideas? I set a trap for a raiding raccoon a couple of months back and caught it but I won't catch a crow that way. TIA Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What If the RCMP hired someone honest to look into....
Hi @ all, i just got this: www.hiddenfromhistory.org proud to be a canadian??? Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 4 and moore crows
Hi Keith, the only and best way to solve your birdbroblem would be to cover the chickenaerea with a net or a wiremesh. I had a similar problem years ago with owls,wich made me realize (i love owls) that it was my choice to raise poultry and ducklings in a wooden aerea and i had to conceed to the rigth of the local birds of prey. Nevertheless covering your yard may be very costly,so a good compromise would be to restrickt the chickens to a smaller aerea and cage the place completly in. By the way,your response to my (or Busches) Crowtrap was in a way expected and i can not withold my high regards for your journalistic skills as per the quality of your research. Best regards Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms
Hi Robert, try to get some dry sawdust or shavings of wood (rip),this is composting very well. I had in Montreal a sawdustbin,wich was not tite on top,so a lot of rip and dust went over.Every once a while i cleaned the edge of the bin and past a toplayer of dry stuff,i always digged out very nice and well composted black earth ! And this on a gravel underground! There where no worms around,but fayrly moist. Keep up good gardening, we here in the eastern are eager to start too Best, Fritz - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms . . . I'd be a complete failure at composting! After doing some weeding this morning I thought I'd check my new compost bin. The 200 liter food grade plastic bin has multiple holes drilled into it for air circulation and a two piece lid that screws onto the top. (It's kind of like a canning jar, and the lid doubles as a bird bath after it rains!) When I tipped the bin over I felt very disheartened, as the open bottom of the composter had a plug of slimy muck that I had to dig through with a shovel in order to remove. The contents at the bottom of the bin simply REEKED. It's obviously too wet and there's not enough air getting inside. But thankfully, the bin is CRAWLING with big, fat worms. A lot of the material we've loaded into the composter has decomposed already, and while that's nice it isn't finished yet. I really wanted to get some fresh compost on my flower beds before things really began blooming around here, but the new bin is a big disappointment thus far. My youngest son has a pet bunny. Whenever he cleans out the bunny cage, he's been dumping its entire contents into the composter--sans bunny, of course. The newspaper he uses to line the bottom of the cage is often soaked with urine (and stinks!), and he doesn't want to touch it, so he's just put everything into the compost in the hope that it will "go away." My wife has encouraged this, after reading an article on vermiculture in which newsprint is one of the recommended feed sources. Worms don't have teeth, though, and unless the paper is shredded, all it does is clog the composter and hold moisture that might otherwise evaporate. I cleaned out the mess, mixed the bin contents and added some dry material to absorb excess moisture. I think I may need to redesign the thing to promote aerobic decomposition. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" "The Long Journey" New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms
Hello Robert, the Sawdust will help to aerate your compost,its important doe to turn the whole thing over once a while. For transplanting trees,my advice is,cut back at least 1/3 of the branches,better moore then not enough,the roots you miss since the transplantation have to be balanced by lesser foliage! Good gardening! Fritz - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hi Robert, try to get some dry sawdust or shavings of wood (rip),this is composting very well. I can do this, as my father-in-law enjoys woodworking and always has a sawdust collection available. I had in Montreal a sawdustbin,wich was not tite on top,so a lot of rip and dust went over.Every once a while i cleaned the edge of the bin and past a toplayer of dry stuff,i always digged out very nice and well composted black earth ! And this on a gravel underground! There where no worms around,but fayrly moist. It's a good idea, and I'm going to try it. But I still believe that the anaerobic nature of my composting indicates I need more air in the process. We've had WEEKS of hard rain recently. I'm certain that the wind has driven some of that rain through the holes I'd drilled into the compost bin, and this resulted in soggy material that couldn't compost properly. Keep up good gardening, we here in the eastern are eager to start too Thanks, Fritz! I'd transplanted a tree a few weeks ago because the ground had FINALLY softened enough for me to dig. I broke my favorite shovel in the process, and I'm certain that I cut enough roots to kill the tree. Everything on our property is blossoming right now EXCEPT for this Japanese Maple . . . My fruit trees have more buds on them this year than I've ever seen before. It's exciting! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" "The Long Journey" New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Earth Hour
Hi James, i suppose there is a certain point in this.The simultanious cutting off consumtion is a way off showing on great scale how many people are ready to cut back 1 hour of consumption! But if everyone continues afterwards with the regular consumption,the point is missed. Real reduction is needed and you get it in long term only trough rigorous chanche of behavior. Homeinsulation is a good thing to start on.Most houses (in Montreal by example) have such poor insulation,its a shame,Industrial Buildings next to no insulation,Windows,single pane,draghty like hell and the buildings with old steamboilers overheatet,because people are used to work in short sleeve shirts. This is reality,i see it every time i go down to Montreal,and nowbody cares about it, because heating is payed by the tenant! I am working since 40 years building higly efficient woodwindows and i have seen a lot of crappy stuff here in Canada . Fritz - Original Message - From: James Machin To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Earth Hour Hi all I forwarded the Earth Hour initiative to various local environmental groups and just received the following message back from one of them... James, Although as with the first power off campaign I think it is a great way to bring reality of climate change closer, nevertheless I still have concerns about power surges (and not personal equipment longevity or damage) and whether this is a totally wise thing to do over a huge area? I am mainly concerned about massive power surges if this is not staggered and the pressure on power plants especially if they are not "in" on the act and not prepared. This could potentially cause more problems than it is pretending to solve? I am holding back from promoting too widely because I have not thought through all possible outcomes, have you? Comments on this issue please? Best James ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
Hi Keith, to my knowledge,anything belong to the public domaine kan not be patented.A simple dokumentet description of the process should be enough to dismiss any patentclaim! Fritz - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel I'd appreciate some opinions on this, if anyone would like to comment. Just to stir it up a bit, a somewhat ridiculous small company in Japan called Someya Shoten which feels it leads the world in matters biodiesel took out a patent on transesterification some years ago. So is Ben Gurion University infringing on Someya Shoten's patent? Or is the whole thing preposterous, since transesterification was invented/discovered about 150 years ago and is thoroughly in the public domain no matter who decides to patent it, and no matter which dumb patent office that doesn't check anything decides to grant the patent? Would the best advice to the Sahel group be to ignore it and just get on with it? Has anybody patented the human nose yet, or failing that, the air noses breathe? All best Keith >I had this email from a group working with biodiesel in the Sahel. If >it's true, it seems ridiculous to me. > >See: >http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/ia.jsp?IA=IL2006000622&REF=RSS >(WO/2006/126206) PRODUCTION OF BIODIESEL FROM BALANITES AEGYPTIACA > >Best > >Keith > > > >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:20:52 +0200 > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >- Original Message - > >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Cc: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:16 AM > >Subject: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel > > > >Dear Sirs, > > > >We are supporting NGO 's and cooperatives in Afrika, > >there is a big need to produce oil from all possible plants, nuts , > >seeds of any other vegetable origine , for human consumption or for > >producing energie. > >One of the NGO ' s in the Sahel-region helps the local population to > >organise the collecting of the fruits and nuts > >to improve their oil production from the nuts of the Balanites tree. > >The Balanites tree is very popular by the population , the fruits > >are sweet amere but the juice is used as a drink and sold to the > >town , the nuts are very hard and inside, the kernel contains 40 to > >48% of oil. > >Sometimes the used as lamp-oil. > >The whole tree is very interesting for public health , on > >internet is a lot of information about that. > >The NGO will make the use as lamp-oil better by transesterification > >to obtain biodiesel that the should burn in > >small diesel cookingoven ,so that they don't have to use the wood , > >which is one of the biggest problem in this region. > >Further the don't have electricity , the have diesel generator , > >but the irrigularity in delivery and the high prices of gasoil makes > >it to difficult in using them all the time. > > > > > >The problem : > > > >There is a pattent on "the invention" to make biodiesel from > >BALANITES OIL .(WO/2006/126206) dated november 2006 by the BEN > >GORION UNIVERSITY > > > > > >Please can you inform us, Is it possible to take a patent on the > >transesterification process of oil to produce Biodiesel? > > > >Is this ALL Patent possible? > > > >Is this NEW and what is new on this invention? > > > >Is this not in contradiction with statements of many Organisations - > >World Wide - for the devellopment of POOR COUNTRIES , > > > >Thanks for your attention > > > >we remain with kind regards > > > >marc van de velde > >Leningstraat 19 > >2140 ANTWERP > >Belgium > > > > > >production and office in POLAND > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
[Biofuel] Siafu, the ant scares the eleph ant
Hi Keith,and all members, i am very proud to anounce my daugthers magazine "Siafu" is finally on the web! www.siafu.ca Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House
Hi Mike & all, i had a quick look at the Website of enertia,there are some very good aspects in their aproach,but i think this is a kind of overkill! We talking here of basically two Housshells wich are probably very costly and not ment for everybodys means! A significant aspect of full Woodhouses is not even mentionned in this website< the ability of wood to even out differences of humidity and therefore act as a catalizer. Everone owns a Loghome would be able to tell that the Klimate in a Loghome is much more natural and better than in conventional built studdwallstructure with all kind of windbarriers and vaporbarriers! The only disadventage,Loghomes are very labourintensive and therefore expensive. I am working since a while on a constructionmethod with double Woodwalls insulated with natural fiber insulation,not using vaporbarriers at all,so the whole wall is considered as a full Logwall. This method is costefficient, easy to assemble for homebuyers and ecological,since the protection of the wood is mainly to constructiv means! My Modelhome should be up by the end of this summer! Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House http://enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx Swiped from Digg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House
Hi Kirk, sheetrock is known to make Livingaereas very dry as its absorbs lots of humidity from the air with the disadventage of creating mildue! Furniture absorb very little humidity in compare. Evaporativ cooling does not harm furnitures but is not suitible for drywallconstruction Fritz - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House sheetrock does absorb water as does furniture etc. I know because when I lived in the Coachella valley (Indio - Palm Springs) I used evaporative cooling until humid air moved north from the gulf. For the next couple of days the ac condensate line ran water as the house dried out and the ac didnt pull down fast. Then once dried ran normally. Kirk Fritz Friesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Mike & all, i had a quick look at the Website of enertia,there are some very good aspects in their aproach,but i think this is a kind of overkill! We talking here of basically two Housshells wich are probably very costly and not ment for everybodys means! A significant aspect of full Woodhouses is not even mentionned in this website< the ability of wood to even out differences of humidity and therefore act as a catalizer. Everone owns a Loghome would be able to tell that the Klimate in a Loghome is much more natural and better than in conventional built studdwallstructure with all kind of windbarriers and vaporbarriers! The only disadventage,Loghomes are very labourintensive and therefore expensive. I am working since a while on a constructionmethod with double Woodwalls insulated with natural fiber insulation,not using vaporbarriers at all,so the whole wall is considered as a full Logwall. This method is costefficient, easy to assemble for homebuyers and ecological,since the protection of the wood is mainly to constructiv means! My Modelhome should be up by the end of this summer! Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House http://enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx Swiped from Digg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds!
Hello Dawie, there was once a town in old Germany,Schilda: the towncouncil desided to put the grass growing on top of the townwalls to good use and let the towns cow feed on it. So the good people strang the cow up to the top of the wall but the cow did not wanted to eat anymore grass Fritz - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds! > > I don't see cows being kept on rooftops. Cow-sized staircases would just > consume too much space! But I do see small dairy operations within easy > walking distance of city centres. > > Dawie > LOL. Probably not cows. But a goat could. And chickens. Milk and eggs. They eat the scraps from the rooftop garden and turn it back into protein for the humans and fertilizer for the garden. We need to start seeing our roofs as something other than wasteland helping generate a heat island and view it as a land area that we could use for food and energy production. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SVO congres sept 2007 + Trade fair nov 2007
Hello Bruno, thanks for that posting! when i look at a major sponsor of this event,Nova Gmbh,i cant help to think at NOVA,a Dinosponsored PR organizer,working so hard to deny global warming! I could be wrong and anyway its not important anymore! At this point i would like to see Keith in the ranks to get a first hand look at the merits of this congress,after all its him who worked so hard to get the biofuels known an in the rigth directions. My call is to everyone on this list to sponsor a trip for Keith to attend this congress,so we get a qualified feedback on this german brew.Its worth to me to pledge a couple hundred bucks to help pay,so Keith could attend the congress! Fritz - Original Message - From: Bruno M. To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] SVO congres sept 2007 + Trade fair nov 2007 First International Congress on Plant Oil Fuels 6 + 7 September 2007 Erfurt Germany. www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/ ( in German ) The same in English : www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/index.php?lng=en And in November also in Germany (Munich): Oils+fats 2007 International Trade Fair for the Production and Processing of Oils and Fats made from Renewable Resources 20 - 22 November 2007 "oils+fats is the only international B2B exhibition that focuses on the manufacture and processing of oils and fats. It presents the latest trends and information about recent technological developments, covering everything from raw and auxiliary materials to processing, quality assurance, packaging and logistics. As a result, it is the most important industry gathering for experts and decision-makers in the oils and fats industry. " www.oils-and-fats.com/en/Home/cn/Glance ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] SVO congres
Hi Keith, thanks for putting me things in the rigth perspectiv,sometimes i am a hopeles dreamer,but you are all rigth with your views! Anyway them arrogant Dr.s and german industrials with all their titles would not pay attention to sombody who does not have profits in the aim! Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's....
Hey Jeromie, whats wrong with kids running in the streets? @all, my daugther as prez of the CSU,kikked Marriott out of Concordiacampus,the had an exclusivecontract with the University and charged.$can 18.00 for a pitcher of water at a speakers event.A little to greedy i guess! After a short campaign of bad puplicity against Marriott,the gready bastards had to leave campus! This example shows,things can be done on small scale,but with the notorious complicity of mainstreammedia it is not so easy to tackle big buissnes! Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid...
Hey Doug, I'm afraid of only one thing, humanity will never learn lessons from the past Fritz - Original Message - From: doug swanson To: Biofuel List Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid... The following is my attempt at a "chain letter" sort of email. Feel free to add to this incomplete list of things not to be afraid of. Pass it on to someone if you think it's worth the while. Or flame me if you think I'm being unpatriotic for not maintaining a patriotic sense of fear. Maybe I'll get it back one day. Or not.- - doug I'm tired of being afraid. Fear paralyzes. I'm over it. I'm taking my personal power back from those who peddle fear. I'm not afraid of the media's stories. I'm not afraid of terrorists. I'm not afraid of conspirators. I'm not afraid of peak oil. I'm not afraid of poisons in the food. I'm not afraid of poisons in the air. I'm not afraid of poisons in the water. I'm not afraid of weird diseases killing everyone. I'm not afraid of nuclear disasters. I'm not afraid of global warming. I'm not afraid of asteroids destroying earth. I'm not afraid of burning in hell. I'm not afraid of believing the wrong god. I can do something about some of those dangers. About those, I will do something. I'm not afraid that I can't do something about all of them. started Aug 14, 2007 -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Who owns you World
We are even worse in Australia- we are a nation which longs to be > Americans, but can't quite pull it off. We live their culture > vicariously throught the tellie and movies. America may be the last > original culture on earth, as all others strive to be like them. Hey Mike and Josh, good news for both of you! There is still a bunch of real Bavarians und as i know for shure a lot of Quebecers who resist the trend of americanism! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/71a1107e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
Hello Skak, its good old bavarian (the language of the haeven :)) ) Fritz - Original Message - From: Kåre Skak Pedersen To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World Now I got curious; Exactly what language was that? I know the languages from the countries surrounding DK, and it's none of them. Greetings from Denmark, Europe Skak On 07/09/2007, Fritz Friesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > eh Ken, > thats simply the language of resistance! > Fritz > - Original Message - > From: Ken Provost > To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World > > > > On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: > > > Grüaßdi Fritzl, > > > > Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d > > Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! > > > > Pfüatdi > > > Whoa! That ain't the German I learnt in college! > > -K > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a9470bdd/attachment.html > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/532201ff/attachment.html > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070907/5380e018/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
Well sayd Gustl Thanks Fritz By the way,du you know the boarische Weltg'schicht von Michel Ehbauer? - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender To: "Kåre Skak Pedersen" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World Hallo Skak, It is our dialect called boarisch or Bayerisch in standard German or Bavarian in englisch. Boarisch is getting rare I think. I am the last one in our family to speak it and I now speak it poorly as the only other one I could speak it with, my grandmother, died decades ago. I tried teaching it to my children and now to my grandchildren but they didn't/don't want to be different than their friends so it doesn't stick. When my oldest hit 28 she told me she wished she had learned German/Bavarian when she had the chance. Told her so. hehehe One of my "young" friends from Bavaria, Uli (52), comes here once a year and we speak in boarisch on and off. Mostly he is with others who don't speak the dialect so we have to use standard German which I also don't speak very well any longer. Other than the bible I don't read much in German so once a year isn't enough to keep me fluent. I am ashamed of myself but such is life I suppose. Anyhow, Uli tells me that he hears less and less Bavarian spoken in Bavaria and then mostly out on the land and mostly among older folks. Fritz has called it the language of resistance. I never thought of it that way but I like the idea. It is the language our people used before predatory culture became the norm, the "reality". It is the language of the land, the family, the community. There is a smallness (in the best sense) and cohesiveness about it as well as a plainness and honesty of expression. We don't say "feces" when "shit" will do. It is the language of the common person full of life and humor. The name of those things which dangle between a mans legs are called "Glockngspui" in Bavarian which translates to Glockenspiel or chimes. I can't imagine that in standard German. It is the language people (used to) speak at home among family and friends. This is probably more than you wished to know but it is what it is friend. Happy Happy, Gustl Friday, 07 September, 2007, 06:14:27, you wrote: KSP> Now I got curious; Exactly what language was that? KSP> I know the languages from the countries surrounding DK, and it's none of them. KSP> Greetings from Denmark, Europe KSP> Skak KSP> On 07/09/2007, Fritz Friesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> eh Ken, >> thats simply the language of resistance! >> Fritz >> - Original Message - >> From: Ken Provost >> To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World >> >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: >> >> > Grüaßdi Fritzl, >> > >> > Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d >> > Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! >> > >> > Pfüatdi >> >> >> Whoa! That ain't the German I learnt in college! >> >> -K >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a9470bdd/attachment.html >> ___ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/532201ff/attachment.html >> ___ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> KSP> ___
[Biofuel] U.S.prof.who says Jews abuse Holocaus to curb critics resigns
>From Haaretz - Last update - 11:37 06/09/2007 U.S. prof. who says Jews abuse Holocaust to curb critics resigns By The Associated Press A Chicago university professor who has drawn criticism for accusing some Jews of abusing the legacy of the Holocaust agreed Wednesday to resign immediately "for everybody's sake." DePaul University officials and political science professor Norman Finkelstein issued a joint statement announcing the resignation, which came as about a hundred protesters gathered outside the dean's office to support him. Finkelstein, who is the son of Holocaust survivors, was denied tenure in June after spending six years on DePaul's faculty. His remaining class was cut by DePaul last month. Advertisement His most recent book, Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History, is largely an attack on Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz's The Case for Israel. In his book, Finkelstein argues that Israel uses perceived anti-Semitism as a weapon to stifle criticism. Dershowitz, who threatened to sue Finkelstein's publisher for libel, urged DePaul officials to reject Finkelstein's tenure bid. Finkelstein said in the statement that he believes the tenure decision was tainted by external pressures, but praised the university's "honorable role of providing a scholarly haven for me the past six years." The school denied that outside parties influenced the decision to deny Finkelstein tenure. The school's portion of the statement called Finkelstein a prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher. Finkelstein called that acknowledgment the most important part of the statement. "I felt finally I had gotten what was my due and that maybe it was time, for everybody's sake, that I move on," he said at a news conference that followed a morning rally staged by students and faculty who carried signs and chanted "stop the witch hunt." Finkelstein added: "DePaul students rose to dazzling spiritual heights in my defense that should be the envy of and an example for every university in the United States." The professor would not discuss financial terms of the resignation agreement, which he said was confidential, but noted that it does not bar him from speaking out about issues that concern him, including the unfairness of the tenure process. He also said he does not know what he will do next, but came to realize before Wednesday that "the atmosphere had become so poisoned that it was virtually impossible for me to carry on at DePaul. The least I could hope for is to leave DePaul with my head up high and my reputation intact." Dershowitz was critical of the school. "DePaul looks like they caved into pressure," he said in a telephone interview. "The idea of describing him as a scholar trades truth for convenience. He's a man who is a propagandist and is not a scholar." Still, Dershowitz said, "I'm happy he's out of academia. Let him do his ranting on street corners." -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070907/d5995de9/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
eh Ken, thats simply the language of resistance! Fritz - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: > Grüaßdi Fritzl, > > Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d > Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! > > Pfüatdi Whoa! That ain't the German I learnt in college! -K -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a9470bdd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/532201ff/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Watch this
Hi Kirk, did you watched the whole Video? I found a small (or big ) Mistake towards the End! Albert Einstein was presented as an other Austrian Scientist! In my books Einstein was born in Ulm Germany and this makes him a German Scientist! Not very important in my Philosophie but why the misrepresentation? Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070909/b780d434/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] OilsandsTruth
Thanks Keith for posting the Info about can.Oilsands. There is more Info at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or www.OilsandsTruth.org Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070918/0d4b68b4/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
