Re: unsubscribe

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

On 19.02.24 15:03, Dejan Doder wrote:

Please unsubscribe me from list


We can't, the process is user-driven.

send mail to users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org
and confirm in the confirmation mail that will be sent to tou.

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Re: OT: Re: Unsubscribe link at the bottom.

[Alex Woick]

John Hardin schrieb am 06.04.2021 um 16:34:

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Grant Taylor wrote:


On 4/5/21 8:41 PM, Peter West wrote:
I’d agree it’s address verification, as with the Unsubscribe link at 
the bottom.


I'm of the opinion that if I have any inclining of knowledge of the 
company sending the email, and SPF/DKIM/DMARC pass, I'll probably use 
the unsubscribe link.


Recently I ran into a 404 from the unsubscribe link from a company 
that my wife did business with.  *facepalm*


What ticks me off is an unsubscribe link that goes to a 
javascript-heavy page and that *won't work* without javascript.


And an unsubscribe link with a huge identifying key on it, yet the 
unsubscribe page still asks you to enter your email address...


As far as I see it, unsubscribe links from spammers are placebo, because 
the "campaign" or "mailing list" or "newsletter" is created for just one 
mass mailing session, then never used again. You don't need to 
unsubscribe (nor the spammer need to provide a real working unsubscribe 
functionality), because your address isn't used for *this* mailing list 
again anyway. However, it's used for creating a whole new mailing list 
tomorrow and a second one the day after tomorrow, but that's a 
completely different newsletter than the one from today (as the spammer 
would say, why he continues sending although you unsubscribed).

Re: OT: Re: Unsubscribe link at the bottom.

[Grant Taylor]

On 4/6/21 8:34 AM, John Hardin wrote:
What ticks me off is an unsubscribe link that goes to a javascript-heavy 
page and that *won't work* without javascript.


And an unsubscribe link with a huge identifying key on it, yet the 
unsubscribe page still asks you to enter your email address...


Ya

Those types of senders usually end up banned on my server with a custom 
comment to that effect.




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Re: OT: Re: Unsubscribe link at the bottom.

[John Hardin]

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Grant Taylor wrote:


On 4/5/21 8:41 PM, Peter West wrote:
I’d agree it’s address verification, as with the Unsubscribe link at the 
bottom.


I'm of the opinion that if I have any inclining of knowledge of the company 
sending the email, and SPF/DKIM/DMARC pass, I'll probably use the unsubscribe 
link.


Recently I ran into a 404 from the unsubscribe link from a company that my 
wife did business with.  *facepalm*


What ticks me off is an unsubscribe link that goes to a javascript-heavy 
page and that *won't work* without javascript.


And an unsubscribe link with a huge identifying key on it, yet the 
unsubscribe page still asks you to enter your email address...



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Re: OT: Re: Unsubscribe link at the bottom.

[Peter West]

Yes. I meant the unsubscribe link from an unknown advertiser.
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> On 6 Apr 2021, at 12:50 pm, Grant Taylor  wrote:
> 
> On 4/5/21 8:41 PM, Peter West wrote:
>> I’d agree it’s address verification, as with the Unsubscribe link at the 
>> bottom.
> 
> I'm of the opinion that if I have any inclining of knowledge of the company 
> sending the email, and SPF/DKIM/DMARC pass, I'll probably use the unsubscribe 
> link.
> 
> Recently I ran into a 404 from the unsubscribe link from a company that my 
> wife did business with.  *facepalm*
> 
> 
> 
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> 

OT: Re: Unsubscribe link at the bottom.

[Grant Taylor]

On 4/5/21 8:41 PM, Peter West wrote:
I’d agree it’s address verification, as with the Unsubscribe link 
at the bottom.


I'm of the opinion that if I have any inclining of knowledge of the 
company sending the email, and SPF/DKIM/DMARC pass, I'll probably use 
the unsubscribe link.


Recently I ran into a 404 from the unsubscribe link from a company that 
my wife did business with.  *facepalm*




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Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

[Alan]

On 2020-12-23 16:33, Antony Stone wrote:

On Wednesday 23 December 2020 at 22:29:50, Alan wrote:


On 2020-12-23 16:22, Richard Ozer wrote:

To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org

For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org


Hm, strange - I thought it was (quoting from the headers of any email on this
list):

list-help: 
list-unsubscribe: 
List-Post: 
List-Id: 


Antony.


Argh. I have a bad case of mailing list schizophrenia. Hence a signature 
to remind me where the heck I am. :(


My apologies.

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Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

[Antony Stone]

On Wednesday 23 December 2020 at 22:29:50, Alan wrote:

> On 2020-12-23 16:22, Richard Ozer wrote:
> 
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org
> 
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org
> 

Hm, strange - I thought it was (quoting from the headers of any email on this 
list):

list-help: 
list-unsubscribe: 
List-Post: 
List-Id: 


Antony.

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Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

[John Hardin]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2020, Richard Ozer wrote:






In the headers of every message from the mailing list:

  list-unsubscribe: 


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Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

[Alan]

On 2020-12-23 16:22, Richard Ozer wrote:


To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org 

For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org 



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Re: unsubscribe me please.

[Antony Stone]

On Sunday 13 January 2019 at 22:03:58, Esteban L wrote:

> unsubscribe please

See the headers of every message on this list:

list-help: 
list-unsubscribe: 
List-Post: 
List-Id: 

Antony.

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Re: Unsubscribe

[Matthew Jones]

Bret++

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On 05/04/2017, 20:26, "Bret Miller"  wrote:

>On 4/5/2017 11:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> * when you subscribe you get a welcome message
>> * that message explains it and says "keep me stored"
>> * HOW did you subscribe? the same way you unsubscribe
>
>And if I subscribed 2 years ago, do you honestly think I remember how I
>subscribed?
>
>> * every mailing list on this planet works the same way
>
>Actually, they don't. Most mailing lists I subscribe to contain an
>unsubscribe link at the bottom of the message.
>
>> common sense: how and why do you imagine that 1000, 2000 or how much
>> subscribers a list has handle your request?
>
>I don't. I'm just playing the other side here. Techies like us tend to
>be unfriendly about the way we communicate. We also expect people to
>just know stuff. But for people who are doing multiple jobs, and who
>isn't these days, the people who "just know" stuff are fewer.
>
>I would never send an unsubscribe to a list because I know it's bad
>etiquette, just like I know that typing in all caps is "shouting". But
>people do it all the time without meaning to offend anyone.
>
>The technology world has changed. Many people are used to graphical
>interfaces and haven't the slightest idea how to run anything from the
>command line. Many of them have never seen a message header, let alone
>could read it. I know there should be a higher expectation on this list.
>But would it be so bad to add a footer that says how to unsubscribe?
>
>It would be more friendly. And it would help people not offend others.
>
>Just saying...

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Blocking administrivia (was Re: Unsubscribe)

[Dianne Skoll]

On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:26:56 -0700
Bret Miller  wrote:

[...]

> I would never send an unsubscribe to a list because I know it's bad 
> etiquette, just like I know that typing in all caps is "shouting".
> But people do it all the time without meaning to offend anyone.

I wonder if technology exists that could detect and stop such messages?

Wouldn't such technology be amazing?  If only someone would come up with
it.

:P

Regards,

Dianne.

Re: Unsubscribe

[Bret Miller]

On 4/5/2017 11:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

* when you subscribe you get a welcome message
* that message explains it and says "keep me stored"
* HOW did you subscribe? the same way you unsubscribe


And if I subscribed 2 years ago, do you honestly think I remember how I 
subscribed?



* every mailing list on this planet works the same way


Actually, they don't. Most mailing lists I subscribe to contain an 
unsubscribe link at the bottom of the message.



common sense: how and why do you imagine that 1000, 2000 or how much
subscribers a list has handle your request?


I don't. I'm just playing the other side here. Techies like us tend to 
be unfriendly about the way we communicate. We also expect people to 
just know stuff. But for people who are doing multiple jobs, and who 
isn't these days, the people who "just know" stuff are fewer.


I would never send an unsubscribe to a list because I know it's bad 
etiquette, just like I know that typing in all caps is "shouting". But 
people do it all the time without meaning to offend anyone.


The technology world has changed. Many people are used to graphical 
interfaces and haven't the slightest idea how to run anything from the 
command line. Many of them have never seen a message header, let alone 
could read it. I know there should be a higher expectation on this list. 
But would it be so bad to add a footer that says how to unsubscribe?


It would be more friendly. And it would help people not offend others.

Just saying...

RE: Unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Bret Miller wrote:


True that, but it's not entirely obvious how to view the message headers in 
many of today's mail clients. Of course, if you're on this list, you'd think 
you'd understand where to find them...


My MUA recognizes them and exposes them to the user as a link:

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On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, j...@lexoncom.com wrote:
{nothing}

This is a self-service list. To unsubscribe, send an email to 
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RE: Unsubscribe

[Bret Miller]

True that, but it's not entirely obvious how to view the message headers in 
many of today's mail clients. Of course, if you're on this list, you'd think 
you'd understand where to find them...


-Original Message-
From: John Hardin [mailto:jhar...@impsec.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 4:29 PM
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, j...@lexoncom.com wrote:
{nothing}

This is a self-service list. To unsubscribe, send an email to 
"users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org" from the address you wish to 
unsubscribe.

This is noted in the headers of *every* list message.

Re: Unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, j...@lexoncom.com wrote:
{nothing}

This is a self-service list. To unsubscribe, send an email to 
"users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org" from the address you wish to 
unsubscribe.


This is noted in the headers of *every* list message.


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Re: Unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, Benjamin E. Nichols wrote:


 Benjamin  E. Nicholshttp://www.squidblacklist.org
1-405-397-1360


Normally I don't respond to unsubscribe requests with this comment to be 
polite, but in this case you have shown you don't deserve that 
consideration...


The Internet is an intelligence test. You just failed.

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Re: Unsubscribe

[Benny Pedersen]

On 2016-08-18 17:08, Antony Stone wrote:


or in every list msg's headers .-)



Indeed:


squirrelmail have it, i still miss it in roundcube, horde hmm ?, 
thunderbird have it as a plugin, microsoft and apple dont give a damm 
about it :=)


pick your own battles

Re: Unsubscribe

[Antony Stone]

On Thursday 18 August 2016 at 17:07:31, Axb wrote:

> On 08/18/2016 05:05 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:
> > On 8/18/2016 10:57 AM, Benjamin E. Nichols wrote:
> >>  Benjamin  E. Nichols
> >> 
> >> http://www.squidblacklist.org
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 1-405-397-1360 
> > 
> > Documentation on how to unsubscribe from the list can be found on
> > apache.org or in the notification you received when you first subscribed.
> 
> or in every list msg's headers .-)

Indeed:

list-help: 
list-unsubscribe: 
List-Post: 


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Re: Unsubscribe

[Axb]

On 08/18/2016 05:05 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:

On 8/18/2016 10:57 AM, Benjamin E. Nichols wrote:




 Benjamin  E. Nichols

http://www.squidblacklist.org


1-405-397-1360 


Documentation on how to unsubscribe from the list can be found on
apache.org or in the notification you received when you first subscribed.



or in every list msg's headers .-)

Re: Unsubscribe

[Joe Quinn]

On 8/18/2016 10:57 AM, Benjamin E. Nichols wrote:




 Benjamin  E. Nichols

http://www.squidblacklist.org


1-405-397-1360 

Documentation on how to unsubscribe from the list can be found on 
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Re: Unsubscribe please!

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.02.2016 um 01:15 schrieb Michael:

I have been trying on and off over the past few years to unsubscribe
from this list but it never seems to happen! And yes, I’ve used the list
page to do it.

Can someone please help?


surely, the mail-headers like on all other mailing-lists

list-help: 
list-unsubscribe: 
List-Post: 
List-Id: 



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Re: Unsubscribe please!

[John Hardin]

On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Michael wrote:

I have been trying on and off over the past few years to unsubscribe 
from this list but it never seems to happen! And yes, I’ve used the list 
page to do it.


Have you tried this? (from the headers in every list message)

 list-unsubscribe: 


Can someone please help?


It's supposed to be self-service.

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Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your  a nobody here so just
fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody

On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 * don't hijack threads
 * don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
 * just unsubscribe yourself

 list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

 the same applies to any other mailing list
 https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

 Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:
 Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

 Hi,
 I drive spamassassin using spampd.

 I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's taken
 me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing changes.

 1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see X-Spam-Level
 and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still have
 X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger rejection,
 so now effectively I have no filtering.

 2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
 /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

 As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
 spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
 the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
 down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
 know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
 spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
 rules)

 Any advice gratefully received

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 13:19 schrieb Nick Edwards:

how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your a nobody here so just
fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody


what is your problem?
i got even a off-list thank you mail in german from the user

so just shut up if nobody asked you!


On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

* don't hijack threads
* don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
* just unsubscribe yourself

list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

the same applies to any other mailing list
https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:

Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

 Hi,
 I drive spamassassin using spampd.

 I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's taken
 me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing changes.

 1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see X-Spam-Level
 and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still have
 X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger rejection,
 so now effectively I have no filtering.

 2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
 /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

 As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
 spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
 the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
 down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
 know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
 spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
 rules)

 Any advice gratefully received




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Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

my problem is pompus asswipe dictators like you who interfere where
not required, and go out of their way to abuse people and speak like
acid to them it is my aum in life to rid the internet of scum like you

centos list BANNED
fedora list MODERATED
roundcube list MODERATED
dovecot list FINAL WARNING
apache list FINAL WARNING
postfix list BANNED

says all anyone needs to know about your modus operandi

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 Am 26.11.2014 um 13:19 schrieb Nick Edwards:
 how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your a nobody here so just
 fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
 god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody

 what is your problem?
 i got even a off-list thank you mail in german from the user

 so just shut up if nobody asked you!

 On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 * don't hijack threads
 * don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
 * just unsubscribe yourself

 list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

 the same applies to any other mailing list
 https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

 Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:
 Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

  Hi,
  I drive spamassassin using spampd.

  I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's taken
  me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing changes.

  1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see X-Spam-Level
  and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still have
  X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger rejection,
  so now effectively I have no filtering.

  2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
  /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

  As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
  spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
  the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
  down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
  know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
  spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
  rules)

  Any advice gratefully received

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 13:30 schrieb Nick Edwards:

my problem is pompus asswipe dictators like you who interfere where
not required, and go out of their way to abuse people and speak like
acid to them it is my aum in life to rid the internet of scum like you


there was nothing abusive in my response

* question akes ina wrong way
* question answered
* sub thread finished

*then you* decided as so oftento start your abusive bullshit

the only guy who acts abusive all the time you face in your mirror and 
so better hire a psychologists because you need seriously help



centos list BANNED


so what


fedora list MODERATED


not true for many months


roundcube list MODERATED


because repsonses like yours in that thread


dovecot list FINAL WARNING


from you? *laugh*


apache list FINAL WARNING


from you? *laugh*


postfix list BANNED


active all the time


says all anyone needs to know about your modus operandi


and who do you think you are to judge?
get your head closed boy!


On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


Am 26.11.2014 um 13:19 schrieb Nick Edwards:

how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your a nobody here so just
fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody


what is your problem?
i got even a off-list thank you mail in german from the user

so just shut up if nobody asked you!


On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

* don't hijack threads
* don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
* just unsubscribe yourself

list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

the same applies to any other mailing list
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Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:

Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

  Hi,
  I drive spamassassin using spampd.

  I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's taken
  me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing changes.

  1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see X-Spam-Level
  and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still have
  X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger rejection,
  so now effectively I have no filtering.

  2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
  /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

  As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
  spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
  the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
  down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
  know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
  spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
  rules)

  Any advice gratefully received




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Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 Am 26.11.2014 um 13:30 schrieb Nick Edwards:
 my problem is pompus asswipe dictators like you who interfere where
 not required, and go out of their way to abuse people and speak like
 acid to them it is my aum in life to rid the internet of scum like you

 there was nothing abusive in my response

 * question akes ina wrong way
 * question answered
 * sub thread finished

 *then you* decided as so oftento start your abusive bullshit

 the only guy who acts abusive all the time you face in your mirror and
 so better hire a psychologists because you need seriously help

 centos list BANNED

 so what

 fedora list MODERATED

 not true for many months


oh because you allegedly unsubscribed

 roundcube list MODERATED

 because repsonses like yours in that thread

 dovecot list FINAL WARNING

 from you? *laugh*
archives show the msg from Timo


 apache list FINAL WARNING

 from you? *laugh*

archives show the msg from Guenther


 postfix list BANNED

 active all the time


no, you were banned, but you resubscribed under another account

 says all anyone needs to know about your modus operandi

 and who do you think you are to judge?
 get your head closed boy!

my head LOL, oh look who's talking you paranoid fool, you accused me
and someone else of being the same person, NEWSFLASH  that same
someone else at this very time is rather near you, in Rodenbach
staying with friends, maybe he will pay you a visit LOL



 On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 Am 26.11.2014 um 13:19 schrieb Nick Edwards:
 how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your a nobody here so just
 fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
 god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody

 what is your problem?
 i got even a off-list thank you mail in german from the user

 so just shut up if nobody asked you!

 On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 * don't hijack threads
 * don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
 * just unsubscribe yourself

 list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

 the same applies to any other mailing list
 https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

 Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:
 Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

   Hi,
   I drive spamassassin using spampd.

   I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's
 taken
   me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing
 changes.

   1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see
 X-Spam-Level
   and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still
 have
   X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger
 rejection,
   so now effectively I have no filtering.

   2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
   /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

   As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
   spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
   the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
   down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
   know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
   spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
   rules)

   Any advice gratefully received

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 13:46 schrieb Nick Edwards:

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


Am 26.11.2014 um 13:30 schrieb Nick Edwards:

my problem is pompus asswipe dictators like you who interfere where
not required, and go out of their way to abuse people and speak like
acid to them it is my aum in life to rid the internet of scum like you


there was nothing abusive in my response

* question akes ina wrong way
* question answered
* sub thread finished

*then you* decided as so often to start your abusive bullshit

the only guy who acts abusive all the time you face in your mirror and
so better hire a psychologists because you need seriously help


centos list BANNED


so what


fedora list MODERATED


not true for many months


oh because you allegedly unsubscribed


bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/thread.html


roundcube list MODERATED


because repsonses like yours in that thread


dovecot list FINAL WARNING


from you? *laugh*

archives show the msg from Timo


the archive shows clearly that the same abusive way you act here was the 
reason for the flamewar



apache list FINAL WARNING


from you? *laugh*


archives show the msg from Guenther


where?


postfix list BANNED


active all the time


no, you were banned, but you resubscribed under another account


and the reason of the ban was a response to a ad hominem attack like you 
do all the time



says all anyone needs to know about your modus operandi


and who do you think you are to judge?
get your head closed boy!


my head LOL, oh look who's talking you paranoid fool, you accused me
and someone else of being the same person, NEWSFLASH  that same
someone else at this very time is rather near you, in Rodenbach
staying with friends, maybe he will pay you a visit LOL


why can't you just stop your personal attacks and name callings which 
you accuse me all the time but the only guy doing so is you?


creep away and just don't read posts from people you don't like or do 
you need a manual for your mail-client?



On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


Am 26.11.2014 um 13:19 schrieb Nick Edwards:

how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your a nobody here so just
fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody


what is your problem?
i got even a off-list thank you mail in german from the user

so just shut up if nobody asked you!


On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

* don't hijack threads
* don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
* just unsubscribe yourself

list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

the same applies to any other mailing list
https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:

Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

   Hi,
   I drive spamassassin using spampd.

   I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's
taken
   me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing
changes.

   1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see
X-Spam-Level
   and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still
have
   X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger
rejection,
   so now effectively I have no filtering.

   2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
   /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

   As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
   spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
   the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
   down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
   know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
   spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
   rules)

   Any advice gratefully received




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Re: unsubscribe

[Christopher X. Candreva]

How about you take your own advice. On any of my lists that diatribe would get 
you banned no questions asked.

On November 26, 2014 7:19:15 AM EST, Nick Edwards nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com 
wrote:
how about you get fucked, dictator asswipe your  a nobody here so just
fuck off to your own hole you troll every list you join you act like
god but your nothing but an offensive troll nobody

On 11/25/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 * don't hijack threads
 * don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
 * just unsubscribe yourself

 list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

 the same applies to any other mailing list
 https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

 Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:
 Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

 Hi,
 I drive spamassassin using spampd.

 I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's taken
 me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing
changes.

 1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see
X-Spam-Level
 and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still have
 X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger rejection,
 so now effectively I have no filtering.

 2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
 /usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

 As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
 spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
 the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
 down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
 know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
 spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
 rules)

 Any advice gratefully received



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Sent from Kaiten Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: unsubscribe

[Axb]

Girls,

Please take your feud offlist.
It's totally offtopic

Thank you

Re: unsubscribe

[Anthony Cartmell]

How about you take your own advice. On any of my lists that diatribe  
would get you banned no questions asked.


I'm always amused by the abusive language people sometimes use on this  
list.


Bad language, and personal attacks, reveal a lot more about the person  
doing the writing than the person they're trying to attack.


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Re: unsubscribe

[David F. Skoll]

I will contribute one post to this thread.

http://marc.info/?l=spamassassin-usersm=14124117308w=2

Just saying.

Regards,

David.

Re: unsubscribe

[Quanah Gibson-Mount]

--On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:06 PM +0100 Axb axb.li...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Girls,


^ - Extremely sexist.  Please try some other form of insult in the 
future. ;)


--Quanah


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Re: unsubscribe

[Axb]

On 11/26/2014 07:54 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote:

--On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:06 PM +0100 Axb
axb.li...@gmail.com wrote:


Girls,


^ - Extremely sexist.  Please try some other form of insult in
the future. ;)


blame my education or lack of..   8-P

Re: unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Anthony Cartmell wrote:

How about you take your own advice. On any of my lists that diatribe would 
get you banned no questions asked.


I'm always amused by the abusive language people sometimes use on this list.

Bad language, and personal attacks, reveal a lot more about the person doing 
the writing than the person they're trying to attack.


Agreed to both points.

Moderator, I am making an official request to ban Nick Edwards 
nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com for abuse. There is no call for and no excuse 
for such behavior.


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Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



 fedora list MODERATED

 not true for many months

 oh because you allegedly unsubscribed

 bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/thread.html


dont mix words reindl im talking about fedora users and you bloody well know it

Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

google reindl and his email address  he copped nothing he has not
dished out to others for years, now he plays innocent, thankfully
google does not lie, or hide.


On 11/27/14, John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote:
 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Anthony Cartmell wrote:

 How about you take your own advice. On any of my lists that diatribe
 would

Re: unsubscribe

[Antony Stone]

On Wednesday 26 November 2014 at 21:05:30 (EU time), John Hardin wrote:

 Moderator, I am making an official request to ban Nick Edwards
 nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com for abuse. There is no call for and no excuse
 for such behavior.

From just an average member of this list, seconded.

He's even continuing, despite both parties being asked to take this personal 
dispute offlist.


Regards,


Antony.

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Nick Edwards:

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



fedora list MODERATED


not true for many months


oh because you allegedly unsubscribed


bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/thread.html


dont mix words reindl im talking about fedora users and you bloody well know it


be precise or shut up *AND IN GENERAL* the past and other lists don#t 
matter *AT ALL* and so creep out of my sight at all


what about stop acting like a child?

* i did nothing wrong in my reply caused you again
  to start your vendetta

* even if - you are *not* in the position of a judge - *period*

* whatever you criticize i did *never* act in any way like
  a asshole as you do here *because* even if i don't find
  always nice enough words i *never* attack a person because
  of the person - *you do*

so creep away and care about your own stuff
what i do and say is *clearly* not your stuff - nowhere

you are a nobody in context of playing judge




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Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 23:44 schrieb Nick Edwards:

google reindl and his email address  he copped nothing he has not
dished out to others for years, now he plays innocent, thankfully
google does not lie, or hide.


did you pure asshole ever consider that i try to do my best to be more 
nice as been in the past?


who are you that you refer to how acted here and there by beeing *much 
more* abusive and personal than *i ever* was?


get a life!


On 11/27/14, John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Anthony Cartmell wrote:


How about you take your own advice. On any of my lists that diatribe
would




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Re: unsubscribe

[Nick Edwards]

all people have to do is google you,

then they will know the truth about what  nasty bit of work you really
are and how you attack people all the time, that and all those list
bannings and moderations should make them realize who they are really
dealing with.


On 11/27/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 Am 26.11.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Nick Edwards:
 On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 fedora list MODERATED

 not true for many months

 oh because you allegedly unsubscribed

 bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/thread.html

 dont mix words reindl im talking about fedora users and you bloody well
 know it

 be precise or shut up *AND IN GENERAL* the past and other lists don#t
 matter *AT ALL* and so creep out of my sight at all

 what about stop acting like a child?

 * i did nothing wrong in my reply caused you again
to start your vendetta

 * even if - you are *not* in the position of a judge - *period*

 * whatever you criticize i did *never* act in any way like
a asshole as you do here *because* even if i don't find
always nice enough words i *never* attack a person because
of the person - *you do*

 so creep away and care about your own stuff
 what i do and say is *clearly* not your stuff - nowhere

 you are a nobody in context of playing judge

Re: unsubscribe

[Antony Stone]

On Wednesday 26 November 2014 at 23:44:10 (EU time), Nick Edwards wrote:

 google reindl and his email address  he copped nothing he has not
 dished out to others for years, now he plays innocent, thankfully
 google does not lie, or hide.

We don't care.  This list is for SpamAssassin discussions.  Please take up 
your personal concerns about other members with them personally, not here.


Antony.

-- 
Perfection in design is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but 
rather when there is nothing left to take away.

 - Antoine de Saint-Exupery

   Please reply to the list;
 please *don't* CC me.

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 26.11.2014 um 23:54 schrieb Nick Edwards:

all people have to do is google you,

then they will know the truth about what  nasty bit of work you really
are and how you attack people all the time, that and all those list
bannings and moderations should make them realize who they are really
dealing with.


you still don't get it:

if someone should google me the same applies to you:
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.roundcube.user/4500

it is *not* your business to judge *here* hwat i did in say in the past 
and somewhere else, especially as long *you* are the real abusive 
asshole - and there is no nicer word than asshole for your attitude


when i answer somewhere not that nice i *always* discuss about facts
you are *always* attacking in a pure personal way

care about your own acting and life while leave others in peace


On 11/27/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


Am 26.11.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Nick Edwards:

On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



fedora list MODERATED


not true for many months


oh because you allegedly unsubscribed


bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/thread.html


dont mix words reindl im talking about fedora users and you bloody well
know it


be precise or shut up *AND IN GENERAL* the past and other lists don#t
matter *AT ALL* and so creep out of my sight at all

what about stop acting like a child?

* i did nothing wrong in my reply caused you again
to start your vendetta

* even if - you are *not* in the position of a judge - *period*

* whatever you criticize i did *never* act in any way like
a asshole as you do here *because* even if i don't find
always nice enough words i *never* attack a person because
of the person - *you do*

so creep away and care about your own stuff
what i do and say is *clearly* not your stuff - nowhere

you are a nobody in context of playing judge




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Re: unsubscribe

[Brett Schenker]

Holy crap. You're adults, this is a professional list. Start acting like
adults and if you want to continue this pissing match, take this off list.
You're cluttering my inbox, and this is beyond rude to those on the list.

For being anti-spam it sure feels like I'm being sent some right now.
On Nov 26, 2014 6:01 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


 Am 26.11.2014 um 23:54 schrieb Nick Edwards:

 all people have to do is google you,

 then they will know the truth about what  nasty bit of work you really
 are and how you attack people all the time, that and all those list
 bannings and moderations should make them realize who they are really
 dealing with.


 you still don't get it:

 if someone should google me the same applies to you:
 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.roundcube.user/4500

 it is *not* your business to judge *here* hwat i did in say in the past
 and somewhere else, especially as long *you* are the real abusive asshole -
 and there is no nicer word than asshole for your attitude

 when i answer somewhere not that nice i *always* discuss about facts
 you are *always* attacking in a pure personal way

 care about your own acting and life while leave others in peace

  On 11/27/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


 Am 26.11.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Nick Edwards:

 On 11/26/14, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


  fedora list MODERATED


 not true for many months

  oh because you allegedly unsubscribed


 bullshit - fedora devel active all the time
 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-
 November/thread.html


 dont mix words reindl im talking about fedora users and you bloody well
 know it


 be precise or shut up *AND IN GENERAL* the past and other lists don#t
 matter *AT ALL* and so creep out of my sight at all

 what about stop acting like a child?

 * i did nothing wrong in my reply caused you again
 to start your vendetta

 * even if - you are *not* in the position of a judge - *period*

 * whatever you criticize i did *never* act in any way like
 a asshole as you do here *because* even if i don't find
 always nice enough words i *never* attack a person because
 of the person - *you do*

 so creep away and care about your own stuff
 what i do and say is *clearly* not your stuff - nowhere

 you are a nobody in context of playing judge

Re: [SA-Users] Re: unsubscribe

[John R. Dennison]

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:46:38PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote:
 On Wednesday 26 November 2014 at 21:05:30 (EU time), John Hardin wrote:
 
  Moderator, I am making an official request to ban Nick Edwards
  nick.z.edwa...@gmail.com for abuse. There is no call for and no excuse
  for such behavior.
 
 From just an average member of this list, seconded.
 
 He's even continuing, despite both parties being asked to take this personal 
 dispute offlist.

Not that this is a democracy but add me to the list of people sick of
this nonsense.  I am hardly one of Reindl's fans but I don't recall him
ever being this outright abusive, nor issuing the veiled threats I saw
from Edwards earlier.

I am quite sure that the Apache Foundation takes a very dim view of
these antics on resources they own as well.





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   satirist and philosopher, Notebook D (1773-1775)


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Re: unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, Reindl Harald wrote:


Am 26.11.2014 um 23:44 schrieb Nick Edwards:

 google reindl and his email address  he copped nothing he has not
 dished out to others for years, now he plays innocent, thankfully
 google does not lie, or hide.


did you pure asshole ever consider that i try to do my best to be more nice 
as been in the past?


Take it private or you'll get yourself banned too.

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Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

* don't hijack threads
* don't send unsubscribe to the whole list
* just unsubscribe yourself

list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

the same applies to any other mailing list
https://www.google.at/#q=how+to+unsubscribe+from+a+mailing+list

Am 25.11.2014 um 14:31 schrieb Ralf Longwitz:

Am 25.11.2014 10:41 schrieb Paul Gardiner:

Hi,
I drive spamassassin using spampd.

I've just swapped from using opensuse 13.1 to 13.2. That's taken
me from spamassassin 3.3.2 to 3.4.0. I have two confusing changes.

1) The really problematic one is that I no longer see X-Spam-Level
and X-Spam-Status headers in the processed mail. I do still have
X-Spam-Checker-Version. I was using status to trigger rejection,
so now effectively I have no filtering.

2) The confusing one: I used to have many .cf files in
/usr/share/spamassassin/. I now have none.

As you can probably tell, I don't really know much about
spamassassin. I've to some degree been using it out of
the box and having it just work. I realise the change could be
down to opensuse packaging, but I thought someone here might
know best where the problem lies. (I wondered if perhaps now
spamassassin requires a cronjob to download and update the
rules)

Any advice gratefully received




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Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[jdebert]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 04:27:14 +0100
Karsten Bräckelmann guent...@rudersport.de wrote:

 On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 19:44 -0700, jdebert wrote:
  Redirecting them makes people lazy. Better than annoying but they
  don't learn anything except to repeat their mistakes.
 
 Your assumption, the list moderators (aka owner, me being one of them)
 would simply and silently obey and dutifully do the un-subscription
 for them, is flawed. ;)

This assumption is unwarranted. I did not say that. Did you read the
rest of the message?

Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[Kevin A. McGrail]

On 10/27/2014 5:37 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote:

 header__KAM_SA_BLOCK_UNSUB1Subject =~ /unsubscribe/i

Ouch. Would you please /^anchor$/ that beast? Unless you actually intend
this sub-thread to be swept off the list, too. ;)

I was trying to stay broad but see your point.

Regards,
KAM

Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[Karsten Bräckelmann]

On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 11:19 -0700, jdebert wrote:
 On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 04:27:14 +0100
 Karsten Bräckelmann guent...@rudersport.de wrote:
  On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 19:44 -0700, jdebert wrote:

   Redirecting them makes people lazy. Better than annoying but they
   don't learn anything except to repeat their mistakes.
  
  Your assumption, the list moderators (aka owner, me being one of them)
  would simply and silently obey and dutifully do the un-subscription
  for them, is flawed. ;)
 
 This assumption is unwarranted. I did not say that.

You said that the unsubscribe-to-list posting user would not learn and
get lazy, when those posts get redirected to the owner rather than
hitting the list.

Not learning: False. As I said, moderators would respond with
explanation and instructions. In particular learning about his mistake
and how to properly (and in future) unsubscribe, does make him learn.
Since we'd not just unsub him, the user will even have to proof that he
learned, by following procedures unsubscribing himself.

Getting lazy: People are lazy. But since there's absolutely nothing we
would simply do for them, there's no potential in the process to get
lazy over. They will have to read and understand how to do it. And they
will have to follow every step of the unsub procedure themselves.

So if my assumption was really that unwarranted, please explain what
else you did mean with those two sentences.


 Did you read the rest of the message?

Yes. And quite frankly, catching unsub messages and bouncing them with
a note as you mentioned is almost identical to the proposed redirect
them to owner to handle it. With the latter involving moderators,
having the advantage, that we can and will offer additional help if need
be.


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Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[jdebert]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 00:33:04 +0100
Karsten Bräckelmann guent...@rudersport.de wrote:

 On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 11:19 -0700, jdebert wrote:
  On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 04:27:14 +0100
  Karsten Bräckelmann guent...@rudersport.de wrote:
   On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 19:44 -0700, jdebert wrote:
 
Redirecting them makes people lazy. Better than annoying but
they don't learn anything except to repeat their mistakes.
   
   Your assumption, the list moderators (aka owner, me being one of
   them) would simply and silently obey and dutifully do the
   un-subscription for them, is flawed. ;)
  
  This assumption is unwarranted. I did not say that.
 
 You said that the unsubscribe-to-list posting user would not learn and
 get lazy, when those posts get redirected to the owner rather than
 hitting the list.

Not exactly what I said. 

 
 Not learning: False. As I said, moderators would respond with
 explanation and instructions. In particular learning about his mistake
 and how to properly (and in future) unsubscribe, does make him learn.
 Since we'd not just unsub him, the user will even have to proof that
 he learned, by following procedures unsubscribing himself.

False as evidenced by how the same people repeat the same thing on
the same list and on other lists. Got it.

 
 Getting lazy: People are lazy. But since there's absolutely nothing we
 would simply do for them, there's no potential in the process to get
 lazy over. They will have to read and understand how to do it. And
 they will have to follow every step of the unsub procedure themselves.
 

The long form of saying we're agreed. And one of the reasons to
automate the process.

 
  Did you read the rest of the message?
 
 Yes. And quite frankly, catching unsub messages and bouncing them
 with a note as you mentioned is almost identical to the proposed
 redirect them to owner to handle it. With the latter involving
 moderators, having the advantage, that we can and will offer
 additional help if need be.
 

Having the listserver catch the messages and handle them is
almost identical to redirecting them to the owner for manual
handling? I could see that if list owners still managed lists
manually. But there's this nifty new software that manages lists
automatically, freeing the list owners from all that drudge work.


Your assumption is that I am telling you to do all this manually. You
seemed to be ambivalent about this, not preferring to do it manually but
seeming to prefer to do it manually. 

My assumption was expecting it to occur to everyone that it might be
done automatically. I really did not expect to have to write to
ISO-9002 standards on a user list. 


jd

Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[Karsten Bräckelmann]

On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 19:56 -0700, jdebert wrote:
 On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 00:33:04 +0100
 Karsten Bräckelmann guent...@rudersport.de wrote:

 Redirecting them makes people lazy. Better than annoying but
 they don't learn anything except to repeat their mistakes.

Your assumption, the list moderators (aka owner, me being one of
them) would simply and silently obey and dutifully do the
un-subscription for them, is flawed. ;)
   
   This assumption is unwarranted. I did not say that.
  
  You said that the unsubscribe-to-list posting user would not learn and
  get lazy, when those posts get redirected to the owner rather than
  hitting the list.
 
 Not exactly what I said. 

In the part you snipped of my previous post, I asked you to explain what
you did mean, if not what I discussed in detail.

This response is not helpful, neither constructive.


  Not learning: False. As I said, moderators would respond with
  explanation and instructions. In particular learning about his mistake
  and how to properly (and in future) unsubscribe, does make him learn.
  Since we'd not just unsub him, the user will even have to proof that
  he learned, by following procedures unsubscribing himself.
 
 False as evidenced by how the same people repeat the same thing on
 the same list and on other lists. Got it.

Show me an example of one subscriber repeating this mistake on this
list.

Show me an example of one subscriber repeating this mistake on this
list, after the proposed and discussed redirect to owner procedure is
in effect, which is meant to help with the issue.

You cannot possibly show the latter, since it is not yet in effect. So
there is no evidence as you just claimed. Moreover, there is
absolutely no basis to your evidence claim, that directly approaching
those subscribers by moderators would not make them learn.

You'll have a really hard time showing the first, too.

Got it. (Not a native English speaker, what's that supposed to mean in
the context of your quote? Equivalent of a foot-stomp?)


  Getting lazy: People are lazy. But since there's absolutely nothing we
  would simply do for them, there's no potential in the process to get
  lazy over. They will have to read and understand how to do it. And
  they will have to follow every step of the unsub procedure themselves.
 
 The long form of saying we're agreed. And one of the reasons to
 automate the process.

Fun research project for you in strong favor of automation: How many
such posts did this list get in the last month? Statistically irrelevant
spike. Last 6 months? Last year? Two years?

I am a moderator of this list. I do know that handling those bad unsub
requests manually would be barely noticeable compared to the general
moderation load. Which isn't high either.


   Did you read the rest of the message?
  
  Yes. And quite frankly, catching unsub messages and bouncing them
  with a note as you mentioned is almost identical to the proposed
  redirect them to owner to handle it. With the latter involving
  moderators, having the advantage, that we can and will offer
  additional help if need be.
 
 Having the listserver catch the messages and handle them is
 almost identical to redirecting them to the owner for manual
 handling? I could see that if list owners still managed lists
 manually. But there's this nifty new software that manages lists
 automatically, freeing the list owners from all that drudge work.

I am very sorry, but it appears you have absolutely no clue what nursing
mailing lists today means.

Yes, all subscription (and un-subscription) is handled automatically. No
owner intervention, not even notices. Automation.

What we mostly do face is posts by non-subscribers. Mostly spam (just
ignore), but also a non-negligible amount of valid posts by
non-subscribers, or list-replies by subscribers using a wrong address.
The latter outweighs by far the amount of non-subscribers.

Unsub posts to the list? About the same as non-subscriber posts. Very
limited. Almost negligible, if some rare samples won't trigger an
on-list shitstorm.


With the proposed process in place, I would have spent less lime
managing and resolving the last 12 months' bad unsub requests, than it
took me arguing with you about something that really does not concern
you.


 Your assumption is that I am telling you to do all this manually. You
 seemed to be ambivalent about this, not preferring to do it manually but
 seeming to prefer to do it manually. 

No. I know from experience that doing this manually is the easiest,
least time consuming solution.

And with no word did I imply you are telling me to do all this manually.
Quite the contrary.


 My assumption was expecting it to occur to everyone that it might be
 done automatically. I really did not expect to have to write to
 ISO-9002 standards on a user list. 

Exactly, *might*. Not the best solution in this case.


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Re: unsubscribe

[Joe Quinn]

On 10/27/2014 3:52 PM, Chris Brandstetter wrote:


A Chris Brandstetter
Linux/UNIX System Administrator
Nebraska Wesleyan University
⌘


You should email users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org to unsubscribe.

Before you do though, where did you read that this was how to 
unsubscribe from the list? We've been seeing a lot of this and it would 
be good to know if there's some documentation that needs fixing.

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 27.10.2014 um 20:52 schrieb Chris Brandstetter:

here we go again
https://www.google.at/#q=spamassassin%20list%20unsubscribe



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Re: unsubscribe

[Chris Brandstetter]

I had assumed it was like most lists where a simple unsubscribe on the subject 
or in the body would remove me (default settings for Majordomo list manager).

A Chris Brandstetter
Linux/UNIX System Administrator
Nebraska Wesleyan University
⌘

On Oct 27, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Joe Quinn jqu...@pccc.com wrote:

 On 10/27/2014 3:52 PM, Chris Brandstetter wrote:
 
 A Chris Brandstetter
 Linux/UNIX System Administrator
 Nebraska Wesleyan University
 ⌘
 
 You should email users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org to unsubscribe.
 
 Before you do though, where did you read that this was how to unsubscribe 
 from the list? We've been seeing a lot of this and it would be good to know 
 if there's some documentation that needs fixing.



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Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 27.10.2014 um 21:19 schrieb Chris Brandstetter:

I had assumed it was like most lists where a simple unsubscribe on the subject 
or in the body would remove me (default settings for Majordomo list manager).


most lists?
which one?

any list on this earth has a unsubscribe header

list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

frankly even majordomo don't unsubscribe by post to the list
List-Unsubscribe: mailto:majord...@postfix.org


On Oct 27, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Joe Quinn jqu...@pccc.com wrote:

On 10/27/2014 3:52 PM, Chris Brandstetter wrote:


A Chris Brandstetter
Linux/UNIX System Administrator
Nebraska Wesleyan University
⌘


You should email users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org to unsubscribe.

Before you do though, where did you read that this was how to unsubscribe from 
the list? We've been seeing a lot of this and it would be good to know if 
there's some documentation that needs fixing.





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Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

and frankly *every* list has a welcome message while the list-software 
only can send it, read is the job of the subscriber


leow a quote of the SA weclome messaage which even explicitly states *do 
not* send unsubscribe to the list - besides that: what sense does it 
make to send every of the 100, 1000, 5000 subscribers the message?

__

I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
your message to the correct command address:

To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
   users-subscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

To remove your address from the list, send a message to:
   users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

Send mail to the following for info and FAQ for this list:
   users-i...@spamassassin.apache.org
   users-...@spamassassin.apache.org

Similar addresses exist for the digest list:
   users-digest-subscr...@spamassassin.apache.org
   users-digest-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

To get messages 123 through 145 (a maximum of 100 per request), mail:
   users-get.123_...@spamassassin.apache.org

To get an index with subject and author for messages 123-456 , mail:
   users-index.123_...@spamassassin.apache.org
__

Am 27.10.2014 um 21:38 schrieb Reindl Harald:


Am 27.10.2014 um 21:19 schrieb Chris Brandstetter:

I had assumed it was like most lists where a simple unsubscribe on the
subject or in the body would remove me (default settings for Majordomo
list manager).


most lists?
which one?

any list on this earth has a unsubscribe header

list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

frankly even majordomo don't unsubscribe by post to the list
List-Unsubscribe: mailto:majord...@postfix.org


On Oct 27, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Joe Quinn jqu...@pccc.com wrote:

On 10/27/2014 3:52 PM, Chris Brandstetter wrote:


A Chris Brandstetter
Linux/UNIX System Administrator
Nebraska Wesleyan University
⌘


You should email users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org to
unsubscribe.

Before you do though, where did you read that this was how to
unsubscribe from the list? We've been seeing a lot of this and it
would be good to know if there's some documentation that needs fixing




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Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[David F. Skoll]

So...

How hard would it be to have the mailing list quarantine a message
whose subject consists solely of the word unsubscribe ?

Do we have the technology? :)

Regards,

David.


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Re: unsubscribe

[jdow]

Surely a system administrator, especially one for Linux/UNIX, would know to look 
in the message headers for things hints if there are none lurking at the bottom 
of the messages. That is where said system administrator would find things like 
this:

list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

(And a real system administrator would be savvy enough to mention that had been 
tried and failed if that was the case and that this was done from the address 
used for subscribing. That way said system administrator would avoid snark like 
this.)


{o.o}   Joanne - just sayin'

On 2014-10-27 12:52, Chris Brandstetter wrote:



A Chris Brandstetter
Linux/UNIX System Administrator
Nebraska Wesleyan University
⌘

Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[Kevin A. McGrail]

On 10/27/2014 4:45 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:

So...

How hard would it be to have the mailing list quarantine a message
whose subject consists solely of the word unsubscribe ?

Do we have the technology? :)
Heh... Apparently more needed than I hoped.  I'll have to ask the 
foundation if they can implement something to achieve this.

Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[jdow]

Do the pertinent we have more important things to do? I suspect yes. I'd 
expect that the proper denizens for this list are not all that naive.


{^_^}

On 2014-10-27 13:45, David F. Skoll wrote:

So...

How hard would it be to have the mailing list quarantine a message
whose subject consists solely of the word unsubscribe ?

Do we have the technology? :)

Regards,

David.

Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[Kevin A. McGrail]

On 10/27/2014 4:48 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:

On 10/27/2014 4:45 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:

So...

How hard would it be to have the mailing list quarantine a message
whose subject consists solely of the word unsubscribe ?

Do we have the technology? :)
Heh... Apparently more needed than I hoped.  I'll have to ask the 
foundation if they can implement something to achieve this.

I've emailed infra with the following request:

   ...we have been getting consistent unsubscribe messages posted to
   the entire users list which begs the question if there is a way to
   redirect those to the mailing list owner instead of just posting them?

   There are a lot of ways to do this just wondering if this is
   possible.  Barring that, perhaps we just block them as spam using a
   meta rule such as this untested rule:

   header__KAM_SA_BLOCK_UNSUB1Subject =~ /unsubscribe/i
   header__KAM_SA_BLOCK_UNSUB2To =~
   /(?:users|dev|ruleqa|private)\@spamassassin\.apache\.org/i
   metaKAM_SA_BLOCK_UNSUB(__KAM_SA_BLOCK_UNSUB1 +
   __KAM_SA_BLOCK_UNSUB2 = 2)
   describe KAM_SA_BLOCK_UNSUBBlock Unsub Requests to SA Mailing Lists
   scoreKAM_SA_BLOCK_UNSUB25.0

regards,
KAM

Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[David F. Skoll]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:52:31 -0700
jdow j...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Do the pertinent we have more important things to do? I suspect
 yes. I'd expect that the proper denizens for this list are not all
 that naive.

I dunno.  This happens a couple of times a month and spawns threads
5-10 messages long each time.  I think it's worth spending 10 minutes
to block.

Regards,

David.

Re: unsubscribe

[Chris Brandstetter]

From Bugzilla 
(https://lists.bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=passw=list=GLOBALfunc=helpextra=unsubscribe)
 :
The simplest way to remove your address from a mailing list is
to send the following command in the body of an e-mail message to
majord...@bugzilla.org:
  unsubscribe LISTNAME 
Replace LISTNAME with the name of the list you wish to leave.”

From Greatcircle (Majordomo 
creators)(http://www.greatcircle.com/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=passw=list=GLOBALfunc=helpextra=unregister):
The simplest way for you to unregister is to send the following command
in the body of an e-mail message to majord...@greatcircle.com:
  unregister
(A confirmation message may be sent to your e-mail address.)”

Sorry I did not use the body that was my error.

Majordomo does support default lists which means if a default list is setup you 
can exclude the LISTNAME variable.  

A Chris Brandstetter
Linux/UNIX System Administrator
Nebraska Wesleyan University
⌘

On Oct 27, 2014, at 3:47 PM, jdow j...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Surely a system administrator, especially one for Linux/UNIX, would know to 
 look in the message headers for things hints if there are none lurking at the 
 bottom of the messages. That is where said system administrator would find 
 things like this:
 list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org
 
 (And a real system administrator would be savvy enough to mention that had 
 been tried and failed if that was the case and that this was done from the 
 address used for subscribing. That way said system administrator would avoid 
 snark like this.)
 
 {o.o}   Joanne - just sayin'
 
 On 2014-10-27 12:52, Chris Brandstetter wrote:
 
 
 A Chris Brandstetter
 Linux/UNIX System Administrator
 Nebraska Wesleyan University
 ⌘
 



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Re: unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014, Chris Brandstetter wrote:


From Bugzilla 
(https://lists.bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=passw=list=GLOBALfunc=helpextra=unsubscribe)
 :
The simplest way to remove your address from a mailing list is
to send the following command in the body of an e-mail message to
majord...@bugzilla.org:
 unsubscribe LISTNAME
Replace LISTNAME with the name of the list you wish to leave.”

From Greatcircle (Majordomo 
creators)(http://www.greatcircle.com/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=passw=list=GLOBALfunc=helpextra=unregister):
The simplest way for you to unregister is to send the following command
in the body of an e-mail message to majord...@greatcircle.com:
 unregister
(A confirmation message may be sent to your e-mail address.)”

Sorry I did not use the body that was my error.


And this list's email address is not majord...@spamassassin.apache.org. 
Did you try sending an unsubscribe request to that address?



Majordomo does support default lists which means if a default list is setup you 
can exclude the LISTNAME variable.


I doubt the Apache listserv has a default list defined. However, it's 
possible that x...@spamassassin.apache.org is a separate majordomo install, 
so that might reasonably have the users list as a default; KAM, perhaps 
infra can check on that?


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Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 27.10.2014 um 22:27 schrieb Chris Brandstetter:

 From Bugzilla 
(https://lists.bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=passw=list=GLOBALfunc=helpextra=unsubscribe)
 :
The simplest way to remove your address from a mailing list is
to send the following command in the body of an e-mail message to
majord...@bugzilla.org:
   unsubscribe LISTNAME
Replace LISTNAME with the name of the list you wish to leave.”

 From Greatcircle (Majordomo 
creators)(http://www.greatcircle.com/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=passw=list=GLOBALfunc=helpextra=unregister):
The simplest way for you to unregister is to send the following command
in the body of an e-mail message to majord...@greatcircle.com:
   unregister
(A confirmation message may be sent to your e-mail address.)”

Sorry I did not use the body that was my error.

Majordomo does support default lists which means if a default list is setup you 
can exclude the LISTNAME variable


and where do you read anything above about send it to the list?

a) it's not majordomo - Mailing-List: contact 
users-h...@spamassassin.apache.org; run by ezmlm


b) users@spamassassin.apache.org != majord...@spamassassin.apache.org


please stop try to pretend send to the list is a good idea anywhere
thank you!





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Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[Karsten Bräckelmann]

On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 17:00 -0400, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
 On 10/27/2014 4:48 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
  On 10/27/2014 4:45 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:

   How hard would it be to have the mailing list quarantine a message 
   whose subject consists solely of the word unsubscribe ? 

  Heh... Apparently more needed than I hoped.  I'll have to ask the
  foundation if they can implement something to achieve this. 
 I've emailed infra with the following request:

Might help, but not worth much effort if infra cannot set it up easily.
While we've seen a few recently, usual and overall frequency is *much*
lower.


 header__KAM_SA_BLOCK_UNSUB1Subject =~ /unsubscribe/i

Ouch. Would you please /^anchor$/ that beast? Unless you actually intend
this sub-thread to be swept off the list, too. ;)


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Re: unsubscribe

[jdow]

Chris, read that CAREFULLY. You send messages to this at 
users@spamassassin.apache.org. The mailer is not Majordomo; but, the address for 
sending email to various lists with majordomo is pretty much the same. Do, 
please, note that listname@listserver_address is quite different from 
majordomo@listserver_address.


You are busily shattering your rep as a system administrator. It would be wise 
to stop digging and climb out of the hole when it starts filling itself faster 
than you can dig.


{o.o}

On 2014-10-27 14:27, Chris Brandstetter wrote:

 From Bugzilla 
(https://lists.bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=passw=list=GLOBALfunc=helpextra=unsubscribe)
 :
The simplest way to remove your address from a mailing list is
to send the following command in the body of an e-mail message to
majord...@bugzilla.org:
   unsubscribe LISTNAME
Replace LISTNAME with the name of the list you wish to leave.”

 From Greatcircle (Majordomo 
creators)(http://www.greatcircle.com/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=passw=list=GLOBALfunc=helpextra=unregister):
The simplest way for you to unregister is to send the following command
in the body of an e-mail message to majord...@greatcircle.com:
   unregister
(A confirmation message may be sent to your e-mail address.)”

Sorry I did not use the body that was my error.

Majordomo does support default lists which means if a default list is setup you 
can exclude the LISTNAME variable.

A Chris Brandstetter
Linux/UNIX System Administrator
Nebraska Wesleyan University
⌘

On Oct 27, 2014, at 3:47 PM, jdow j...@earthlink.net wrote:


Surely a system administrator, especially one for Linux/UNIX, would know to 
look in the message headers for things hints if there are none lurking at the 
bottom of the messages. That is where said system administrator would find 
things like this:
list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

(And a real system administrator would be savvy enough to mention that had been 
tried and failed if that was the case and that this was done from the address 
used for subscribing. That way said system administrator would avoid snark like 
this.)

{o.o}   Joanne - just sayin'

On 2014-10-27 12:52, Chris Brandstetter wrote:



A Chris Brandstetter
Linux/UNIX System Administrator
Nebraska Wesleyan University
⌘

Re: unsubscribe

[jdow]

Is ezmlm == majordomo? As I am saying he ought to take some time out, think, and 
gather in some clues. If he is wise he'll treat it as a learning experience. 
Only a few people manage to miss this misadventure with mailing lists at least 
once in their lives. But when they sign it with system administrator, well, it 
just invites a goodly dose of snark - especially this recently after the last 
time unsubscribe hit this list.


{^_-}   Joanne

On 2014-10-27 14:35, John Hardin wrote:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014, Chris Brandstetter wrote:


From Bugzilla
(https://lists.bugzilla.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=passw=list=GLOBALfunc=helpextra=unsubscribe)
:
The simplest way to remove your address from a mailing list is
to send the following command in the body of an e-mail message to
majord...@bugzilla.org:
 unsubscribe LISTNAME
Replace LISTNAME with the name of the list you wish to leave.”

From Greatcircle (Majordomo
creators)(http://www.greatcircle.com/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr?user=passw=list=GLOBALfunc=helpextra=unregister):

The simplest way for you to unregister is to send the following command
in the body of an e-mail message to majord...@greatcircle.com:
 unregister
(A confirmation message may be sent to your e-mail address.)”

Sorry I did not use the body that was my error.


And this list's email address is not majord...@spamassassin.apache.org. Did
you try sending an unsubscribe request to that address?


Majordomo does support default lists which means if a default list is setup
you can exclude the LISTNAME variable.


I doubt the Apache listserv has a default list defined. However, it's possible
that x...@spamassassin.apache.org is a separate majordomo install, so that might
reasonably have the users list as a default; KAM, perhaps infra can check on 
that?

Re: unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014, jdow wrote:


Is ezmlm == majordomo?


And I didn't catch that, either. :)

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Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[jdebert]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:00:11 -0400
Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote:

 On 10/27/2014 4:48 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
  On 10/27/2014 4:45 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
  So...
 
  How hard would it be to have the mailing list quarantine a message
  whose subject consists solely of the word unsubscribe ?
 
  Do we have the technology? :)
  Heh... Apparently more needed than I hoped.  I'll have to ask the 
  foundation if they can implement something to achieve this.
 I've emailed infra with the following request:
 
 ...we have been getting consistent unsubscribe messages posted to
 the entire users list which begs the question if there is a way to
 redirect those to the mailing list owner instead of just posting
 them?


Redirecting them makes people lazy. Better than annoying but they
don't learn anything except to repeat their mistakes.

Someone ran a list that caught unsubscribe messages from list members
and bounced them with a note added to use the unsubscribe address. No
one annoyed except the lazy unsubscriber. Don't recall who it was and
never found out how.

jd

Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[Karsten Bräckelmann]

On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 19:44 -0700, jdebert wrote:
 On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:00:11 -0400
 Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote:

  I've emailed infra with the following request:
  
  ...we have been getting consistent unsubscribe messages posted to
  the entire users list which begs the question if there is a way to
  redirect those to the mailing list owner instead of just posting
  them?
 
 Redirecting them makes people lazy. Better than annoying but they
 don't learn anything except to repeat their mistakes.

Your assumption, the list moderators (aka owner, me being one of them)
would simply and silently obey and dutifully do the un-subscription for
them, is flawed. ;)

Just as with regular moderation, we'd respond with a template explaining
things, offering instructions -- and additional information on a
case-by-case basis.


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Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[Benny Pedersen]

On October 27, 2014 9:45:17 PM David F. Skoll d...@roaringpenguin.com wrote:


Do we have the technology? :)


Or make rule score on unsubscribe with a score of 5, is it not what qpsmpd 
scanner check for ? :)


But only hits if its sent to maillist, then owners have more time to keep 
asf stable :)

Re: Is this really the SpamAssassin list? (was Re: unsubscribe)

[Benny Pedersen]

On October 27, 2014 10:00:11 PM Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote:


header__KAM_SA_BLOCK_UNSUB1Subject =~ /unsubscribe/i


Unancored subject will keep list trafic low

Re: unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.10.2014 um 23:17 schrieb David Bennett:

unsubscribe


and now?
https://www.google.at/search?q=spamassassin+mailing+list+unsubscribe



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Re: unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, David Bennett wrote:


unsubscribe


...here we go again.

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Re: unsubscribe

[Bob Proulx]

David Bennett wrote:
 unsubscribe

Please don't send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list members.
Send unsubscribe requests to the -unsubscribe address.  For this
mailing list it is users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org.

See the SpamAssassin wiki page on mailing lists for more information.

  https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists

If you are having trouble unsubscribing and need human assistance then
send a message to the mailing list owner at the -owner address.  The
mailing list owner address is users-ow...@spamassassin.apache.org.

Bob

Re: Unsubscribe

[Dave Warren]

On 2014-10-16 19:14, Duane Hill wrote:

Are you sending the unsubscribe request from an address subscribed?


That generates a useful error message too:

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
users@spamassassin.apache.org  mailing list.

Acknowledgment: The address

   li...@hireahit.com

was not on the users mailing list when I received
your request and is not a subscriber of this list.

If you unsubscribe, but continue to receive mail, you're subscribed
under a different address than you currently use. Please look at the
header for:
...

I also verified that the -unsubscribe address works, and got a reply in 
under a minute from there too. I'm obviously not completing the loop 
since I would prefer to stay subscribed.


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Re: Unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 17.10.2014 um 02:57 schrieb Derek Harding:

On 10/15/14, 10:09 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:


and *why* do you NOT state that in your *first* message?


That was my first message


ah so you hijacked a thread pretending unsubscribe don't work but don't 
know if the OP tried it nor made clear you are not the OP


frankly the Unsubscribe sent to the list happens multiple times on 
multiple lists every week and i am tried of it - especially on technical 
lists





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Re: Unsubscribe

[Derek Harding]

On 10/15/14, 10:09 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:


and *why* do you NOT state that in your *first* message?


That was my first message.

Re: Unsubscribe

[Derek Harding]

On 10/15/14, 11:35 AM, Dave Warren wrote:

On 2014-10-15 10:16, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
I've looked into this and tested the process without issue.  The only 
issue I've seen to date is someone who joined who did not know what 
email address they joined as and does not know how to read the email 
source to determine the correct email address to unsubscribe.


I second this. I tested it a few months back when I unsubscribed and 
re-subscribed a new address from all of the mailing lists. This list 
worked fine. Most did.


There were a couple I encountered that didn't work, where the -request 
or -unsubscribe addresses weren't properly aliased, and I can confirm 
that all the ones I encountered are now fixed.


I try the process periodically, it has not worked for me through testing 
over the past year.


Mail from me to users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org goes into a 
black hole.


I didn't mention it before because the list is the only place to post 
and anyone posting unsubscribe questions on the list gets verbally 
berated and treated as though they're an idiot until they shut up (see 
the responses so far for examples).


Derek

Re: Unsubscribe

[Duane Hill]

On Thursday, October 16, 2014, 8:02:48 PM, Derek wrote:

 On 10/15/14, 11:35 AM, Dave Warren wrote:

 On   2014-10-15 10:16, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:  
   
 I've looked into this and tested the process without issue.
 The only issue I've seen to date is someone who joined who
 did not know what email address they joined as and does not
 know how to read the email source to determine the correct email 
 address to unsubscribe.
   
   
I second this. I tested it a few months back when I
 unsubscribed   and re-subscribed a new address from all of the
 mailing lists.   This list worked fine. Most did.  
   
There were a couple I encountered that didn't work, where
 the   -request or -unsubscribe addresses weren't properly
 aliased, and I   can confirm that all the ones I encountered are now 
 fixed.
   
   
  I try the process periodically, it has not worked for me
 through testing over the past year.
   
  Mail from me to users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org goes into 
 a black hole.
   
  I didn't mention it before because the list is the only place
 to post and anyone posting unsubscribe questions on the list
 gets verbally berated and treated as though they're an idiot
 until they shut up (see the responses so far for examples).
   

Have you confirmed in your server logs the message was received by the
SA  server? If so, there would have been a message coming back to your
server shortly thereafter.

I just sent an unsubscribe request:

Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:03:35 -0500
From: Duane Hill duih...@gmail.com
Message-ID: 1224074593.20141016210...@gmail.com
To: users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

and received a message back shortly after (roughly 30 seconds):

Date: 17 Oct 2014 02:04:06 -
Message-ID: 1413511446.55424.ez...@spamassassin.apache.org
From: users-h...@spamassassin.apache.org
To: duih...@gmail.com
...
Subject: confirm unsubscribe from users@spamassassin.apache.org


Are you sending the unsubscribe request from an address subscribed?

-- 
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If at first you don't succeed, so much for sky diving.

Re: Unsubscribe

[Derek Harding]

On 10/16/2014 7:14 PM, Duane Hill wrote:
Are you sending the unsubscribe request from an address subscribed? 


Yes

Re: Unsubscribe

[Bob Proulx]

Derek Harding wrote:
 Mail from me to users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org goes into a black
 hole.

For help about that issue you should email the mailing list admin.
They are the human admins and can help you unsubscribe or debug the
problem.  The mailing list members cannot do this.

I am not one of the spamassassin mailing list admins but I am one of
the mailing list admins of another large site with 1,000+ lists.  When
in trouble email the human admin and not the mailing list members.
The mailing list members can't help you.  The mailing list admins are
the ones who can help you.

Generally mailing list admins can be reached at the -owner address.
That address takes the mailing list address and adds -owner to the end
of it.  The mailing list here is users@spamassassin.apache.org.  To
reach the owner send to users-ow...@spamassassin.apache.org and it
should reach a human admin of the mailing list.  This is documented in
the help information for the mailing list.  It applies to most mailing
list management software.

 I didn't mention it before because the list is the only place to post and
 anyone posting unsubscribe questions on the list gets verbally berated and
 treated as though they're an idiot until they shut up (see the responses so
 far for examples).

The problem is that this is a technical mailing list that is concerned
with the technical details of email.  There is an expectation that
people on a technical mailing list about email will know how email
works.  Including how mailing lists since somehow everyone on the list
got themselves subscribed.  The unsubscription process is done
identically to subscription.  If you got on the list just do the exact
same thing to get off the list.  And if that doesn't work then contact
the mailing list admin at the -owner address.

So what do you do if you find yourself subscribed to a mailing list
but in reality you are not an email type of person?  You really would
rather just read web pages?  In that case use the web!  A quick web
search will find that spamassassin.apache.org uses the apache.org
infrastructure.  Here is the Apache page describing their mailing
lists.  It includes additional information for figuring out what
address you originally subscribed with and how to unsubscribe from a
different address.  Good stuff!

  http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html

Including links to the ezmlm upstream documentation.  This is really
quite good documentation.  If the operation of the apache.org mailing
lists have been a mystery before then take a few minutes and read
through the manual.  It will remove the mystery and turn you into a
apache.org mailing list expert.  Great stuff!

  http://untroubled.org/ezmlm/manual/

The most important takeaway is that if you have problems with a
mailing list then contact the mailing list owner at the -owner
address.

  
http://untroubled.org/ezmlm/manual/Contacting-the-Owner.html#Contacting-the-Owner

Hope that helps someone!
Bob

Re: Unsubscribe

[Derek Harding]

On 9/25/14, 2:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
irrelevant - every list has a welcome message and there is no logic in 
ask other members to unsubscribe yourself, one did also not ask them 
for subscribe https://www.google.at/search?q=spamassassin+mailing+list 
https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists


I love it when people get all authoritarian on lists. I've used the 
list-unsubscribe address numerous times. Never once seen a response and 
the mail has never once stopped.


Process seems broken to me.

Derek

Re: Unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 15.10.2014 um 19:07 schrieb Derek Harding:

On 9/25/14, 2:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

irrelevant - every list has a welcome message and there is no logic in
ask other members to unsubscribe yourself, one did also not ask them
for subscribe https://www.google.at/search?q=spamassassin+mailing+list
https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists


I love it when people get all authoritarian on lists. I've used the
list-unsubscribe address numerous times. Never once seen a response and
the mail has never once stopped.

Process seems broken to me


and *why* do you NOT state that in your *first* message?




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Re: Unsubscribe

[Kevin A. McGrail]

On 10/15/2014 1:07 PM, Derek Harding wrote:

On 9/25/14, 2:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
irrelevant - every list has a welcome message and there is no logic 
in ask other members to unsubscribe yourself, one did also not ask 
them for subscribe 
https://www.google.at/search?q=spamassassin+mailing+list 
https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists


I love it when people get all authoritarian on lists. I've used the 
list-unsubscribe address numerous times. Never once seen a response 
and the mail has never once stopped.


Process seems broken to me. 
I've looked into this and tested the process without issue.  The only 
issue I've seen to date is someone who joined who did not know what 
email address they joined as and does not know how to read the email 
source to determine the correct email address to unsubscribe.


If you know the email address you want unsubscribed and need help, email 
me off-list and I'll get it taken care of!


regards,
KAM

Re: Unsubscribe

[Dave Warren]

On 2014-10-15 10:16, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:

On 10/15/2014 1:07 PM, Derek Harding wrote:

On 9/25/14, 2:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
irrelevant - every list has a welcome message and there is no logic 
in ask other members to unsubscribe yourself, one did also not ask 
them for subscribe 
https://www.google.at/search?q=spamassassin+mailing+list 
https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists


I love it when people get all authoritarian on lists. I've used the 
list-unsubscribe address numerous times. Never once seen a response 
and the mail has never once stopped.


Process seems broken to me. 
I've looked into this and tested the process without issue.  The only 
issue I've seen to date is someone who joined who did not know what 
email address they joined as and does not know how to read the email 
source to determine the correct email address to unsubscribe.


I second this. I tested it a few months back when I unsubscribed and 
re-subscribed a new address from all of the mailing lists. This list 
worked fine. Most did.


There were a couple I encountered that didn't work, where the -request 
or -unsubscribe addresses weren't properly aliased, and I can confirm 
that all the ones I encountered are now fixed.


--
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http://www.hireahit.com/
http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren

Re: Unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 25.09.2014 um 05:59 schrieb Shankar:

here you go

list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

don't send unsubscribe to the list
not here and not on any other mailing list

sent to the list to hopefully save some
unsubscribe posts in the future






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Re: Unsubscribe

[Jari Fredriksson]

25.09.2014, 13:13, Reindl Harald kirjoitti:
 Am 25.09.2014 um 05:59 schrieb Shankar:

 here you go

 list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

 don't send unsubscribe to the list
 not here and not on any other mailing list

 sent to the list to hopefully save some
 unsubscribe posts in the future




It just happens that Microsoft has made it so difficult to see the
source code of a message and see that. Also no matter what sofware, it
is still in source code.

Some lists have made it easy publishing that info on an attachment. Most
have not, as we are certainly all (or most) Internet Pro's. No matter
what you do, there will be noice, like these messages in this thread.

-- 
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Re: Unsubscribe

[Reindl Harald]

Am 25.09.2014 um 22:53 schrieb Jari Fredriksson:
 25.09.2014, 13:13, Reindl Harald kirjoitti:
 Am 25.09.2014 um 05:59 schrieb Shankar:

 here you go

 list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

 don't send unsubscribe to the list
 not here and not on any other mailing list

 sent to the list to hopefully save some
 unsubscribe posts in the future

 It just happens that Microsoft has made it so difficult to see the
 source code of a message and see that. Also no matter what sofware, it
 is still in source code.

irrelevant - every list has a welcome message and there is no
logic in ask other members to unsubscribe yourself, one did
also not ask them for subscribe

https://www.google.at/search?q=spamassassin+mailing+list
https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists

 Some lists have made it easy publishing that info on an attachment. Most
 have not

that additions are a problem in context of DMARC

 as we are certainly all (or most) Internet Pro's. No matter
 what you do, there will be noice, like these messages in 
 this thread

well, especially because list like these are tech-lists i wonder :-)





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Re: unsubscribe

[Karsten Bräckelmann]

Wrong address. To unsubscribe, send a mail to the appropriate
list-command address, not the mailing list itself.

See the headers of each and every post on this list:

  list-help: mailto:users-h...@spamassassin.apache.org
  list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org


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Re: unsubscribe

[John Hardin]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2014, Brent Kennedy wrote:


unsubscribe


I have a wonderful snarky response to this but I will limit myself to:

 list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

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Re: unsubscribe

[Bob Proulx]

Axel Werner wrote:
 unsubscribe

  list-help: mailto:users-h...@spamassassin.apache.org
  list-unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org
  List-Post: mailto:users@spamassassin.apache.org
  List-Id: users.spamassassin.apache.org

  https://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists

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Re: unsubscribe

[Evan Platt]

On 7/6/2012 6:45 AM, Thiago Henrique wrote:

unsubscribe



list-unsubscribe:mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

Re: unsubscribe

[Benny Pedersen]

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:24:36 +, Londen, Michael van wrote:


P PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE PRINTING THIS MESSAGE.


save trees dont post html :)

send a email to users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org reply to what 
you get back, and then you are off the list

Re: unsubscribe

[Asif Iqbal]

you need to send an email to this address to unsubscribe

users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

It was in the header of the email

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Tim Alberts talbe...@msiscales.com wrote:





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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: unsubscribe

[LuKreme]

On 29-Sep-2009, at 21:54, Gary Smith wrote:
Didn't we already have this discussion today.  You need to use the  
link in the headers!


Yes, but if he could read your message, he could read the headers,  
right?



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