[WISPA] White House proposal would ease FBI access to records of Internet activity

[Jack Unger]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/28/AR2010072806141_pf.html


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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Jerry Richardson]

Oh, and adjust output power to provide -65dB at each end.

- Jerry


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

For this I would use two Rocket M5's with the 30dB Rocket dishes. Reason being 
is after the event is done, you will have a set of radios you can use in 
another part of the network for up to a 30 mile shot.

Configure: 
One as AP WDS 
One as Station WDS.
10MHz channel
Max Tx Rate Automatic
AirMax Enabled
No ACK mode for PTP enabled

Watch it fly

- Jerry

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of KosiNet Wireless
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:57 PM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

Thanks, I'll look at that option.

Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to 
experiment...

-Gary-

- Original Message - 
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge


> 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish
> or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
> The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation
> M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
> Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost
> difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.
>
> If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could
> easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.
>
> Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg
> + easily.
>
> BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can
> determine what models will work well for you.
>
> http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/
>
> Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with
> and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
> On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
>> Sorry for not giving all the details.
>>
>> The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two 
>> (less
>> than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end 
>> up
>> using 6 Radios to get the job done.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman"
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
>>
>>
>>
>>> What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
>>>
>>> I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
>>> very convenient for building to building bridges.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Gentlemen,

 I need opinions...

 We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
 event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
 locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.

 Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good
 or
 bad?

 Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a 
 problem.

 Thanks in advance,

 -Gary-



 
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Jerry Richardson]

For this I would use two Rocket M5's with the 30dB Rocket dishes. Reason being 
is after the event is done, you will have a set of radios you can use in 
another part of the network for up to a 30 mile shot.

Configure: 
One as AP WDS 
One as Station WDS.
10MHz channel
Max Tx Rate Automatic
AirMax Enabled
No ACK mode for PTP enabled

Watch it fly

- Jerry

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of KosiNet Wireless
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:57 PM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

Thanks, I'll look at that option.

Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to 
experiment...

-Gary-

- Original Message - 
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge


> 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish
> or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
> The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation
> M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
> Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost
> difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.
>
> If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could
> easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.
>
> Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg
> + easily.
>
> BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can
> determine what models will work well for you.
>
> http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/
>
> Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with
> and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
> On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
>> Sorry for not giving all the details.
>>
>> The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two 
>> (less
>> than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end 
>> up
>> using 6 Radios to get the job done.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman"
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
>>
>>
>>
>>> What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
>>>
>>> I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
>>> very convenient for building to building bridges.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Gentlemen,

 I need opinions...

 We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
 event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
 locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.

 Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good
 or
 bad?

 Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a 
 problem.

 Thanks in advance,

 -Gary-



 
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Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

[RickG]

Looked like here last week!

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Robert West
 wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiA&feature=topvideos
>
>
>
> Crazy.
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Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever

[RickG]

It's coming, no stopping it. If anyone thought double taxation was
bad, how about a triple play? I sure hope somebody comes to their
senses in DC soon. Whats a small guy to do?

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:42 AM, MDK  wrote:
> Great, they want to tax us now.
>
> Nothing like getting kicked in the head.    Tax the little guy to subsidize
> the big one.    What a wonderful plan.
>
> This is worse than NOTHING.
>
>
>
> +
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> ++
> From: Brian Webster
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:37 AM
> To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com
> Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason
> todocument and map your network coverage ever
>
> Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I
> took particular note to the following statement:
>
>
>
> - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
> least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
> provider that does not receive support
>
>
>
> Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a
> current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to
> receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to
> many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and
> Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge
> factor in leveling the playing field for WISP’s in rural markets! I cannot
> see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this.
> Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to
> your service area, but it will also erode funding  for any Telco who
> currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a
> delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial
> revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all
> know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density
> markets.
>
>
>
> There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and
> foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one
> should map their network with an accurate service area where you would
> confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me
> to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in
> your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps
> will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75%
> coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification
> source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone
> to say you don’t exist and don’t offer coverage in their areas.
>
>
>
> One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be
> required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP’s
> were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US
> is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it
> there will be much less.
>
> Brian
>
> --
>
>
>
> Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that
> would reform the Universal Service Fund.  The Press Release, Overview,
> Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link:
>
> http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1579&Itemid=122
>
>
>
> I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon.  A few highlights
> that the trade press has noted:
>
>     - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
> least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
> provider that does not receive support
>
>     - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring
> support models
>
>     - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support
>
>     - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area
>
>     - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their
> service areas, or would lose support
>
>     - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base
>
> - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband
>
>
>
> Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his "front burner" and that he
> wants to get the legislation passed this Fall.  Please feel free to comment
> on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote
> education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may
> wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Stephen E. Coran
>
> Rini Coran, PC
>
> 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600
>
> Washington, D.C. 20036
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

[RickG]

Speaking of Ubiquiti - any news about 900MHz?

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> according to Streakwave Website there is such a thing as PicoM 2HP...
> if it is available and shipping ... don't know...
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
> On 7/28/2010 11:31 PM, RickG wrote:
>> I do like my Picos. Wish they had an PicoM!
>>
>>
>
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Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

[Josh Luthman]

High speed cameras are definitely one of the best inventions of this
century. Really cool looking but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near there,
ever!

On Jul 29, 2010 12:36 AM, "Robert West"  wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiA&feature=topvideos



Crazy.




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Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reasonto document and map your network coverage ever

[MDK]

How can this be good?IT IS A PER-CUSTOMER TAX ON OUR SERVICE AND GAURANTEED 
TO NEVER HELP SMALL PROVIDERS.   

Cripes, this is good?

There's ONE good plan.   

USF go byebye.  



++
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From: St. Louis Broadband 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:59 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com ; 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; 
motor...@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reasonto 
document and map your network coverage ever


- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 
75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider 
that does not receive support

 

Ø  Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a 
current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to 
receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to 
many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype 
come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in 
leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets!

 

That is the way I see it too!

 

 

Victoria Proffer

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

314-974-5600

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:37 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to 
document and map your network coverage ever
Importance: High

 

Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I 
took particular note to the following statement:

 

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 
75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider 
that does not receive support

 

Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a 
current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to 
receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to 
many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype 
come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in 
leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more 
compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it 
prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, 
but it will also erode funding  for any Telco who currently receives USF in 
your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront 
because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to 
deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per 
household passed in low density markets.

 

There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost 
though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map 
their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer 
service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also 
shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband 
mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the 
major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database 
will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of 
them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer 
coverage in their areas.

 

One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be 
required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's 
were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is 
unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there 
will be much less.



Brian

--

 

Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that 
would reform the Universal Service Fund.  The Press Release, Overview, Section 
by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link:

http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1579&Itemid=122

 

I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon.  A few highlights that 
the trade press has noted:

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at 
least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive 
provider that does not receive support

- FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support 
models

- competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support

- no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area

- carrie

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever

[MDK]

Great, they want to tax us now.   

Nothing like getting kicked in the head.Tax the little guy to subsidize the 
big one.What a wonderful plan.  

This is worse than NOTHING.  



+
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++


From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:37 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com 
Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason 
todocument and map your network coverage ever


Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I 
took particular note to the following statement:

 

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 
75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider 
that does not receive support

 

Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a 
current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to 
receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to 
many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype 
come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in 
leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more 
compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it 
prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, 
but it will also erode funding  for any Telco who currently receives USF in 
your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront 
because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to 
deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per 
household passed in low density markets.

 

There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost 
though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map 
their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer 
service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also 
shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband 
mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the 
major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database 
will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of 
them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer 
coverage in their areas.

 

One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be 
required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's 
were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is 
unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there 
will be much less.



Brian

--

 

Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that 
would reform the Universal Service Fund.  The Press Release, Overview, Section 
by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link:

http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1579&Itemid=122

 

I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon.  A few highlights that 
the trade press has noted:

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at 
least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive 
provider that does not receive support

- FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support 
models

- competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support

- no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area

- carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their service 
areas, or would lose support

- all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base

- FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband 

 

Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his "front burner" and that he wants 
to get the legislation passed this Fall.  Please feel free to comment on-list 
AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote education of the 
WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may wish to take as the 
bill works its way through Congress.  Thanks.  

 

Stephen E. Coran

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

according to Streakwave Website there is such a thing as PicoM 2HP...
if it is available and shipping ... don't know...

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom

On 7/28/2010 11:31 PM, RickG wrote:
> I do like my Picos. Wish they had an PicoM!
>
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Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance

[Forbes Mercy]

In Washington State the Association of Washington Businesses (Average 
White Band as I like to call them) have a statewide buy-in policy that's 
half of what I paid when I had my own Blue Cross plan, it went up 2 
percent last year while my old one averaged 10-15 percent annual raise 
and deductibles and other coverages (dental/vision) dirt cheap.  My 
employees are young and cheap to cover, I love the plan!

Forbes

On 7/28/2010 8:26 PM, RickG wrote:
> Ever check into an HSA? It was the best thing we did when I was GM at
> a small CableCo.
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Mark Nash - Lists  wrote:
>
>> We provide health insurance for employees.  To keep absolute costs down, we
>> go with a high deductible for our employees, though to offset the costs in
>> the cast of anything major, we pay the first $1000 of the deductible on
>> behalf of the employee.
>>
>> We have 5 employees.  Owners have to pay for their own or get insurance
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: Rick Harnish
>> To: 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:40 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Health Insurance
>>
>> I am curious about all the small operators out there.  What are you doing
>> for Health Insurance?  Do you have individual policies?  Are you on your
>> wife’s policy?  Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan?
>>
>>
>>
>> I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks.  I will most
>> likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an
>> underwriter and see what the feasibility is.  Between now and then, I would
>> like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort.
>>
>>
>>
>> My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have
>> enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or
>> themselves.  Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Harnish
>>
>> President
>>
>> WISPA
>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[RickG]

I second (or third?) That!

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish
> or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
> The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation
> M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
> Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost
> difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.
>
> If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could
> easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.
>
> Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg
> + easily.
>
> BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can
> determine what models will work well for you.
>
> http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/
>
> Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with
> and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
> On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
>> Sorry for not giving all the details.
>>
>> The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less
>> than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up
>> using 6 Radios to get the job done.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman"
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
>>
>>
>>
>>> What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
>>>
>>> I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
>>> very convenient for building to building bridges.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Gentlemen,

 I need opinions...

 We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
 event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
 locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.

 Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good
 or
 bad?

 Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem.

 Thanks in advance,

 -Gary-



 
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

[RickG]

I do like my Picos. Wish they had an PicoM!

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> If you can't do Ruckus then any Ubiquiti product should work (just be
> aware of antennas and PPS).  Picos would probably be the best option.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Robert West
>  wrote:
>> Pico all the way.  Ubiquiti can do this with minimum budget.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:18 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I could use some suggestions / field experience...
>>
>> We need to setup wifi for a medium sized apartment complex. We need to
>> deliver Wifi for about 8-12 apt. spread throughout the complex. (The apt
>> complex is about the size of a city block).
>>
>> We have done a field test / proof of concept with Meraki radios (only
>> because I had them on the shelf), cannot do Ruckus (budget will not afford
>> this).
>>
>> .. Mesh will do the job, but looking for radios with a bit more oomph than
>> the Merai mini's.
>>
>> I was looking at using Ubiqiti Picostation 2HP flashed with Open-mesh ...
>> but am concerned about folks on UBNT forum reporting strange coverage gap in
>> the 20-50ft range
>>
>> I understand that there are some Engenius radios that will work with open
>> mesh as well... ( radios need to be outdoor type).
>>
>> Any suggestions ? or opinions on PicoStation 2HP or Engenious Radios (please
>> let me know what model #) and or the Open Mesh setup.
>>
>> Many Thanks in Advance.
>>
>> --
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Ryan Goldberg]

I hear ya.  Our unlicensed backhauls start as mikrotik, then move to redline, 
then to moto, based on revenue they support.  Not much of a performance boost 
moving to the redlines, but they quite simply Work.



On Jul 28, 2010, at 10:17 PM, "KosiNet Wireless"  wrote:

> Those look good, but outside of the budget for this deal..
> 
> -Gary-
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ryan Goldberg" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Cc: ; "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
> 
> 
>> Redline an80
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:57 PM, "KosiNet Wireless"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, I'll look at that option.
>>> 
>>> Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time 
>>> to
>>> experiment...
>>> 
>>> -Gary-
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
>>> 
>>> 
 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish
 or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
 The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation
 M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
 Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost
 difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.
 
 If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could
 easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.
 
 Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg
 + easily.
 
 BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can
 determine what models will work well for you.
 
 http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/
 
 Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with
 and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't
 
 Regards.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet&  Telecom
 
 On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
> Sorry for not giving all the details.
> 
> The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two
> (less
> than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to 
> end
> up
> using 6 Radios to get the job done.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
> 
> 
> 
>> What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
>> 
>> I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
>> very convenient for building to building bridges.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet 
>> Wireless
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Gentlemen,
>>> 
>>> I need opinions...
>>> 
>>> We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for 
>>> an
>>> event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
>>> locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
>>> 
>>> Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? 
>>> Good
>>> or
>>> bad?
>>> 
>>> Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a
>>> problem.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> -Gary-
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance

[RickG]

Ever check into an HSA? It was the best thing we did when I was GM at
a small CableCo.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Mark Nash - Lists  wrote:
> We provide health insurance for employees.  To keep absolute costs down, we
> go with a high deductible for our employees, though to offset the costs in
> the cast of anything major, we pay the first $1000 of the deductible on
> behalf of the employee.
>
> We have 5 employees.  Owners have to pay for their own or get insurance
> elsewhere.
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Rick Harnish
> To: 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:40 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Health Insurance
>
> I am curious about all the small operators out there.  What are you doing
> for Health Insurance?  Do you have individual policies?  Are you on your
> wife’s policy?  Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan?
>
>
>
> I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks.  I will most
> likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an
> underwriter and see what the feasibility is.  Between now and then, I would
> like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort.
>
>
>
> My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have
> enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or
> themselves.  Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> President
>
> WISPA
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

[RickG]

I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I
cant even try to figure it out.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster
 wrote:
> Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I
> took particular note to the following statement:
>
>
>
> - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
> least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
> provider that does not receive support
>
>
>
> Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a
> current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to
> receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to
> many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and
> Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge
> factor in leveling the playing field for WISP’s in rural markets! I cannot
> see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this.
> Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to
> your service area, but it will also erode funding  for any Telco who
> currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a
> delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial
> revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all
> know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density
> markets.
>
>
>
> There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and
> foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one
> should map their network with an accurate service area where you would
> confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me
> to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in
> your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps
> will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75%
> coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification
> source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone
> to say you don’t exist and don’t offer coverage in their areas.
>
>
>
> One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be
> required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP’s
> were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US
> is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it
> there will be much less.
>
> Brian
>
> --
>
>
>
> Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that
> would reform the Universal Service Fund.  The Press Release, Overview,
> Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link:
>
> http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1579&Itemid=122
>
>
>
> I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon.  A few highlights
> that the trade press has noted:
>
>     - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
> least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
> provider that does not receive support
>
>     - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring
> support models
>
>     - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support
>
>     - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area
>
>     - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their
> service areas, or would lose support
>
>     - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base
>
> - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband
>
>
>
> Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his "front burner" and that he
> wants to get the legislation passed this Fall.  Please feel free to comment
> on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote
> education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may
> wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress.  Thanks.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[KosiNet Wireless]

Yep, been there done that

Is anyone stocking the Ubiquiti Power Bridge Units? The M5 looks good.

-Gary-

- Original Message - 
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge


> Especially if you are working with them for the first time a couple of
> hours in the office will save you a lot of time and grief in the field...
> (at least that is what we have seen in general ... crossing the t's and
> doting the i's  with the radio in the office can take a few min, doing
> that in the field a lot longer...)
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
>
> On 7/28/2010 10:56 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
>> Thanks, I'll look at that option.
>>
>> Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time 
>> to
>> experiment...
>>
>> -Gary-
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz"
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
>>
>>
>>
>>> 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish
>>> or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
>>> The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation
>>> M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
>>> Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost
>>> difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.
>>>
>>> If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could
>>> easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.
>>>
>>> Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg
>>> + easily.
>>>
>>> BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can
>>> determine what models will work well for you.
>>>
>>> http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/
>>>
>>> Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with
>>> and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>>>
>>> On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
>>>
 Sorry for not giving all the details.

 The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two
 (less
 than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to 
 end
 up
 using 6 Radios to get the job done.


 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman"
 To: "WISPA General List"
 Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge




> What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
>
> I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
> very convenient for building to building bridges.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet 
> Wireless
> wrote:
>
>
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I need opinions...
>>
>> We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for 
>> an
>> event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
>> locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
>>
>> Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? 
>> Good
>> or
>> bad?
>>
>> Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a
>> problem
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> -Gary-
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[KosiNet Wireless]

Those look good, but outside of the budget for this deal..

-Gary-

- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Goldberg" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge


> Redline an80
>
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:57 PM, "KosiNet Wireless"  
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I'll look at that option.
>>
>> Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time 
>> to
>> experiment...
>>
>> -Gary-
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
>>
>>
>>> 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish
>>> or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
>>> The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation
>>> M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
>>> Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost
>>> difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.
>>>
>>> If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could
>>> easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.
>>>
>>> Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg
>>> + easily.
>>>
>>> BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can
>>> determine what models will work well for you.
>>>
>>> http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/
>>>
>>> Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with
>>> and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>>
>>> On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
 Sorry for not giving all the details.

 The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two
 (less
 than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to 
 end
 up
 using 6 Radios to get the job done.


 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman"
 To: "WISPA General List"
 Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge



> What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
>
> I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
> very convenient for building to building bridges.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet 
> Wireless
> wrote:
>
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I need opinions...
>>
>> We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for 
>> an
>> event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
>> locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
>>
>> Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? 
>> Good
>> or
>> bad?
>>
>> Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a
>> problem.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> -Gary-
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Especially if you are working with them for the first time a couple of 
hours in the office will save you a lot of time and grief in the field...
(at least that is what we have seen in general ... crossing the t's and 
doting the i's  with the radio in the office can take a few min, doing 
that in the field a lot longer...)

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom


On 7/28/2010 10:56 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
> Thanks, I'll look at that option.
>
> Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to
> experiment...
>
> -Gary-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
>
>
>
>> 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish
>> or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
>> The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation
>> M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
>> Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost
>> difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.
>>
>> If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could
>> easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.
>>
>> Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg
>> + easily.
>>
>> BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can
>> determine what models will work well for you.
>>
>> http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/
>>
>> Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with
>> and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>>
>> On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
>>  
>>> Sorry for not giving all the details.
>>>
>>> The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two
>>> (less
>>> than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end
>>> up
>>> using 6 Radios to get the job done.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman"
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?

 I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
 very convenient for building to building bridges.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless
 wrote:

  
> Gentlemen,
>
> I need opinions...
>
> We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
> event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
> locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
>
> Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good
> or
> bad?
>
> Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a
> problem
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> -Gary-
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Ryan Goldberg]

Redline an80



On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:57 PM, "KosiNet Wireless"  wrote:

> Thanks, I'll look at that option.
> 
> Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to 
> experiment...
> 
> -Gary-
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
> 
> 
>> 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish
>> or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
>> The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation
>> M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
>> Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost
>> difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.
>> 
>> If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could
>> easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.
>> 
>> Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg
>> + easily.
>> 
>> BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can
>> determine what models will work well for you.
>> 
>> http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/
>> 
>> Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with
>> and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>> 
>> On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
>>> Sorry for not giving all the details.
>>> 
>>> The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two 
>>> (less
>>> than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end 
>>> up
>>> using 6 Radios to get the job done.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman"
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
 
 I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
 very convenient for building to building bridges.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless
 wrote:
 
> Gentlemen,
> 
> I need opinions...
> 
> We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
> event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
> locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
> 
> Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good
> or
> bad?
> 
> Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a 
> problem.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> -Gary-
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[KosiNet Wireless]

Thanks, I'll look at that option.

Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to 
experiment...

-Gary-

- Original Message - 
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge


> 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish
> or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
> The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation
> M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
> Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost
> difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.
>
> If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could
> easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.
>
> Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg
> + easily.
>
> BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can
> determine what models will work well for you.
>
> http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/
>
> Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with
> and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
> On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
>> Sorry for not giving all the details.
>>
>> The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two 
>> (less
>> than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end 
>> up
>> using 6 Radios to get the job done.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman"
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
>>
>>
>>
>>> What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
>>>
>>> I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
>>> very convenient for building to building bridges.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Gentlemen,

 I need opinions...

 We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
 event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
 locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.

 Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good
 or
 bad?

 Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a 
 problem.

 Thanks in advance,

 -Gary-



 
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

[Josh Luthman]

If you can't do Ruckus then any Ubiquiti product should work (just be
aware of antennas and PPS).  Picos would probably be the best option.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Robert West
 wrote:
> Pico all the way.  Ubiquiti can do this with minimum budget.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:18 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.
>
> Hello,
>
> I could use some suggestions / field experience...
>
> We need to setup wifi for a medium sized apartment complex. We need to
> deliver Wifi for about 8-12 apt. spread throughout the complex. (The apt
> complex is about the size of a city block).
>
> We have done a field test / proof of concept with Meraki radios (only
> because I had them on the shelf), cannot do Ruckus (budget will not afford
> this).
>
> .. Mesh will do the job, but looking for radios with a bit more oomph than
> the Merai mini's.
>
> I was looking at using Ubiqiti Picostation 2HP flashed with Open-mesh ...
> but am concerned about folks on UBNT forum reporting strange coverage gap in
> the 20-50ft range
>
> I understand that there are some Engenius radios that will work with open
> mesh as well... ( radios need to be outdoor type).
>
> Any suggestions ? or opinions on PicoStation 2HP or Engenious Radios (please
> let me know what model #) and or the Open Mesh setup.
>
> Many Thanks in Advance.
>
> --
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

[Robert West]

Health Insurance?

 

Hey, George!  (In Canada)

 

What kind of budget to you have for health insurance?  

 

Me-

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Bret Clark
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:56 PM
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Cc: memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

 

We went through an independent broker who essentially had created a small 
business group plan of area businesses that help keep cost down verses us going 
to the insurer ourselves. Another thing to consider is Health Savings Accounts 
(HSA) which are a lot less then regular health insurance but at least affords 
some piece of mind for employees in the event they are faced with a serious 
medical or health issue. 

Bret

On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 19:07 -0400, David Weddell wrote: 

I know that we are constantly battling pricing in health insurance. We would be 
interested in how we could participate in a “WISPA” group plan and with 60+ 
employees and families that we cover, you can imagine our monthly premium. I 
would assume that in an association plan, the more that participate, the better 
rates could be negotiated. We would be interested in helping with negotiations 
if needed. I believe this is a great idea and could benefit WISPA as a whole 
and encourage membership as well. 

 

 

Regards,

David Weddell

VP Business Development &

Corporate Partnerships

Omnicity, Inc.

 

www.omnicity.net

OTCMarkets: OMCY

 

866 586 1518 Corporate Office

765 499 7310 Cell

 

 

From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Rick Harnish
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:40 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA Members] Health Insurance



 

I am curious about all the small operators out there.  What are you doing for 
Health Insurance?  Do you have individual policies?  Are you on your wife’s 
policy?  Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan?  

 

I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks.  I will most likely 
send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and 
see what the feasibility is.  Between now and then, I would like to encourage 
discussion to see whether it is worth our effort.

 

My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough 
employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves.  
Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

President

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org

 



 
 

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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

[Robert West]

Pico all the way.  Ubiquiti can do this with minimum budget.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

Hello,

I could use some suggestions / field experience...

We need to setup wifi for a medium sized apartment complex. We need to
deliver Wifi for about 8-12 apt. spread throughout the complex. (The apt
complex is about the size of a city block).

We have done a field test / proof of concept with Meraki radios (only
because I had them on the shelf), cannot do Ruckus (budget will not afford
this).

.. Mesh will do the job, but looking for radios with a bit more oomph than
the Merai mini's.

I was looking at using Ubiqiti Picostation 2HP flashed with Open-mesh ...
but am concerned about folks on UBNT forum reporting strange coverage gap in
the 20-50ft range

I understand that there are some Engenius radios that will work with open
mesh as well... ( radios need to be outdoor type).

Any suggestions ? or opinions on PicoStation 2HP or Engenious Radios (please
let me know what model #) and or the Open Mesh setup.

Many Thanks in Advance.

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[WISPA] Suggestions Request.

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hello,

I could use some suggestions / field experience...

We need to setup wifi for a medium sized apartment complex. We need to 
deliver Wifi for about 8-12 apt. spread throughout the complex. (The apt 
complex is about the size of a city block).

We have done a field test / proof of concept with Meraki radios (only 
because I had them on the shelf), cannot do Ruckus (budget will not 
afford this).

.. Mesh will do the job, but looking for radios with a bit more oomph 
than the Merai mini's.

I was looking at using Ubiqiti Picostation 2HP flashed with Open-mesh 
... but am concerned about folks on UBNT forum reporting strange 
coverage gap in the 20-50ft range

I understand that there are some Engenius radios that will work with 
open mesh as well... ( radios need to be outdoor type).

Any suggestions ? or opinions on PicoStation 2HP or Engenious Radios 
(please let me know what model #) and or the Open Mesh setup.

Many Thanks in Advance.

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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Jeremie Chism]

I had one end go bad. Replaced it and no problems.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2010, at 6:46 PM, "KosiNet Wireless" 
wrote:

And the bad thing would be.

-Gary-

- Original Message -
*From:* Jeremie Chism 
*To:* WISPA General List 
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:32 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

Except for one bad one, the nanobridge works very well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:

 distance?


 On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:

 Gentlemen,

I need opinions...

We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.

Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or
bad?

Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem.

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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Faisal Imtiaz]

6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish 
or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so).
The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation 
M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M...
Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost 
difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable.

If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could 
easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well.

Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg 
+ easily.

BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can 
determine what models will work well for you.

http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/

Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with 
and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom

On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote:
> Sorry for not giving all the details.
>
> The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less
> than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up
> using 6 Radios to get the job done.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
>
>
>
>> What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
>>
>> I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
>> very convenient for building to building bridges.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless
>> wrote:
>>  
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> I need opinions...
>>>
>>> We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
>>> event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
>>> locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
>>>
>>> Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good
>>> or
>>> bad?
>>>
>>> Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> -Gary-
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

[Bret Clark]

We went through an independent broker who essentially had created a
small business group plan of area businesses that help keep cost down
verses us going to the insurer ourselves. Another thing to consider is
Health Savings Accounts (HSA) which are a lot less then regular health
insurance but at least affords some piece of mind for employees in the
event they are faced with a serious medical or health issue. 

Bret

On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 19:07 -0400, David Weddell wrote:
> I know that we are constantly battling pricing in health insurance. We
> would be interested in how we could participate in a “WISPA” group
> plan and with 60+ employees and families that we cover, you can
> imagine our monthly premium. I would assume that in an association
> plan, the more that participate, the better rates could be negotiated.
> We would be interested in helping with negotiations if needed. I
> believe this is a great idea and could benefit WISPA as a whole and
> encourage membership as well. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Weddell
> 
> VP Business Development &
> 
> Corporate Partnerships
> 
> Omnicity, Inc.
> 
>  
> 
> www.omnicity.net
> 
> OTCMarkets: OMCY
> 
>  
> 
> 866 586 1518 Corporate Office
> 
> 765 499 7310 Cell
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Rick Harnish
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:40 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com
> Subject: [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I am curious about all the small operators out there.  What are you
> doing for Health Insurance?  Do you have individual policies?  Are you
> on your wife’s policy?  Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health
> Insurance Plan?  
> 
>  
> 
> I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks.  I will
> most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together
> with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is.  Between now and
> then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth
> our effort.
> 
>  
> 
> My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not
> have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their
> employees or themselves.  Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and
> improve your coverage.
> 
>  
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
>  
> 
> Rick Harnish
> 
> President
> 
> WISPA
> 
> 260-307-4000 cell
> 
> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office
> 
> Skype: rick.harnish.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[KosiNet Wireless]

And the bad thing would be.

-Gary-
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeremie Chism 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge


  Except for one bad one, the nanobridge works very well. 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:


distance? 




On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:


  Gentlemen,

  I need opinions...

  We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
  event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
  locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.

  Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or
  bad?

  Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem.

  Thanks in advance,

  -Gary-



  

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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[KosiNet Wireless]

Sorry for not giving all the details.

The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less 
than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up 
using 6 Radios to get the job done.


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge


> What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?
>
> I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
> very convenient for building to building bridges.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless  
> wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I need opinions...
>>
>> We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
>> event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
>> locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
>>
>> Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good 
>> or
>> bad?
>>
>> Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> -Gary-
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

[Cameron Crum]

Also,

Keep in mind that we offer free 477 data prep in a program on our web site.
Go to www.wispmon.com and click on the FCC  477 Util.. You can even download
a free desktop geocoder to pre-geocode your data (makes things go a little
faster in the form prep). No "proprietary" info has to be given. We don't
share data with anyone, ever. There is some prep work involved on your end,
but it would have to be done regardless of how you chose to get the data.
Instructions for use are on the page.

Regards,

Cameron

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

>  At 7/28/2010 12:59 PM, you wrote:
>
> *- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
> least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
> provider that does not receive support
> *
> Ø  Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a
> current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to
> receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to
> many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and
> Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. *This would be a
> huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP’s in rural markets!
> *
> That is the way I see it too!
>
>
> I don't.  See page 22 of the bill (scanned version only on line, alas;
> emphasis added):
>
> "...the Commission determines that at least 75% of the households can
> purchase **wireline** voice service and **wired** high-speed broadband
> service from an unsupported, facilities-based, non-incumbent provider..."
>
> There's also a reference further down (p24) to "voice service of standard
> quality".  That rules out Skype or any non-QoS-enabled VoIP platform, or any
> non-PSTN non-E.164 service.  If this were the only issue though, it would be
> easy enough to provide a technical fix.
>
> The rule appears aimed at cable.  If there is unsubsidized PacketCable
> telephony, then why should the FCC subsidize ILECs?
>
> There's also support in the bill for "mobile wireless" providers.  Over the
> past decade, CMRS carriers have been the largest (by far) competitive ETCs.
> Current FCC plans phase this out.  The largest recipients are AT&T and
> Verizon, the latter via its Alltel / Western Wireless purchase.  The Boucher
> (D-Verizon) bill instead allows CMRSs to bid to become the supported mobile
> carrier in a given area.
>
> There are various other goodies (if you're Verizon) in the bill, including
> an order that the FCC complete intercarrier compensation reform within a
> year (it has been an open docket since April, 2001, and each Commission
> seems to want to pass the ball to its successor rather than do anything).
> And section 303 apparently bans access revenue sharing, so the free
> conference call industry goes out of business.  I guess we'll all have to
> move our conference calls to the Internet.  This is a real pain, but VZ, ATT
> and Sprint don't want to pay the teensy bit that it costs them (though it
> helps encourage the sale of overpriced flat-rate usage plans).
>
> The bill adds USF taxes to WISPs and basically prohibits them from
> receiving anything.  This is consistent with the FCC's current "pay for the
> bullet" proposal.  Such a deal!
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Jeremie Chism]

Except for one bad one, the nanobridge works very well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:

distance?


On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:

Gentlemen,

I need opinions...

We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.

Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or
bad?

Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem.

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

[David Weddell]

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employees and families that we cover, you can imagine our monthly premium. I 
would assume that in an association plan, the more that participate, the better 
rates could be negotiated. We would be interested in helping with negotiations 
if needed. I believe this is a great idea and could benefit WISPA as a whole 
and encourage membership as well.


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Rick Harnish
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:40 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

I am curious about all the small operators out there.  What are you doing for 
Health Insurance?  Do you have individual policies?  Are you on your wife's 
policy?  Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan?

I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks.  I will most likely 
send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and 
see what the feasibility is.  Between now and then, I would like to encourage 
discussion to see whether it is worth our effort.

My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough 
employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves.  
Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
President
WISPA
260-307-4000 cell
866-317-2851 WISPA Office
Skype: rick.harnish.
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

[Justin Wilson]

The MUM is one of those yoy get what you pay for.  Genrally you get
enough out of it to justify going.  Butch is correct in the training.  The
heavy accents can be a problem.  A buddy of mine took their training in
Chicago and found it difficult to communicate his questions correctly so
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From: Butch Evans 
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:41:30 -0500
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 09:24 -0700, Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
> Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions?
> I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've
> integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far
> it's working well, be nice to have a little official training
> though.

I have a training class scheduled for next week (see
http://store.wispgear.net/ for details).  Mikrotik's "official" training
(from the reviews I've seen) don't get very good reviews, due to the
difficulty people have in understanding what they are saying...

As for the MUM, they are generally pretty good shows.  I've never heard
anyone say they were disappointed for having attended.

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Scott Parsons]

The small wind turbines perform best if you can get them to the top.

Air turbulence near the ground causes the turbine output to drop but get up
40-60 feet and the wind stream is steadier and the turbine more consistent.

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Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 

At 7/28/2010 02:46 PM, you wrote:



Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
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Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for you but
12V 20A $490:
< 
http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49>


Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind.  Especially since the
non-metallic blades only have a 3' diameter.  Stick a good deep discharge
battery in a box with the charge controller and it should be able to power a
nice Routerboard arrangement, maybe with some Ethernet radios on the side.
The fun will be mounting everything on the pole.  Questions like who gets
the top, the antenna or the windmill?  (Probably the turbine, so it can move
with the wind.)



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Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance

[Mark Nash - Lists]

though something major could include a "cast", I mean to say "in the CASE of 
anything major" ;)

And owners pay for their own because we are an LLC.  As I understand it, if 
you're a different type of entity such as a C-Corp, you are an employee 
therefore you can get health insurance paid just like an employee.  LLC members 
are not employees.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Nash - Lists 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance


  We provide health insurance for employees.  To keep absolute costs down, we 
go with a high deductible for our employees, though to offset the costs in the 
cast of anything major, we pay the first $1000 of the deductible on behalf of 
the employee.

  We have 5 employees.  Owners have to pay for their own or get insurance 
elsewhere.

  - Original Message - 
From: Rick Harnish 
To: 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:40 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Health Insurance


I am curious about all the small operators out there.  What are you doing 
for Health Insurance?  Do you have individual policies?  Are you on your wife's 
policy?  Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan?  

 

I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks.  I will most 
likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an 
underwriter and see what the feasibility is.  Between now and then, I would 
like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort.

 

My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have 
enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or 
themselves.  Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

President

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

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Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance

[Mark Nash - Lists]

We provide health insurance for employees.  To keep absolute costs down, we go 
with a high deductible for our employees, though to offset the costs in the 
cast of anything major, we pay the first $1000 of the deductible on behalf of 
the employee.

We have 5 employees.  Owners have to pay for their own or get insurance 
elsewhere.

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  To: 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:40 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Health Insurance


  I am curious about all the small operators out there.  What are you doing for 
Health Insurance?  Do you have individual policies?  Are you on your wife's 
policy?  Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan?  

   

  I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks.  I will most 
likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an 
underwriter and see what the feasibility is.  Between now and then, I would 
like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort.

   

  My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have 
enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or 
themselves.  Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage.

   

  Respectfully,

   

  Rick Harnish

  President

  WISPA

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  866-317-2851 WISPA Office

  Skype: rick.harnish.

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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Josh Luthman]

What kind of distance?  I assume you have LOS?

I would go with Ubiquity probably.  150 megs aggregate for $200 is
very convenient for building to building bridges.

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On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless  wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I need opinions...
>
> We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
> event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
> locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
>
> Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or
> bad?
>
> Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> -Gary-
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Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Glenn Kelley]

distance? 


On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:

> Gentlemen,
> 
> I need opinions...
> 
> We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
> event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
> locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.
> 
> Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or
> bad?
> 
> Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> -Gary-
> 
> 
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[WISPA] High Speed Bridge

[Kosinet Wireless]

Gentlemen,

I need opinions...

We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an
event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and
locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios.

Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or
bad?

Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem.

Thanks in advance,

-Gary-




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[WISPA] Health Insurance

[Rick Harnish]

I am curious about all the small operators out there.  What are you doing
for Health Insurance?  Do you have individual policies?  Are you on your
wife's policy?  Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan?  

 

I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks.  I will most
likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an
underwriter and see what the feasibility is.  Between now and then, I would
like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort.

 

My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have
enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or
themselves.  Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

President

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org

 




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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Mike]

I have learned that there are as many opinions on grounding as Carter has
little pills.  

This might seem a little odd to halo makers, but I ground, with a triad, the
NW corner of my towers.  I also run all my feed lines and coax down the NW
leg.  Why?  Lightning generally strikes from storms which blow from the SE
in my area.  In 5 years, on my main tower (180' free standing) It has been
hit MULTIPLE times.  I have only lost one Ethernet port in that time. The
storm?  A winter one with lightning that came from the NW!  

I built a halo in an equipment shelter once per Nortel's insistence.  When
the Canadian radio guys came down they cut all the leads to the halo.
Please re-read my first sentence.

Caveat Emptor!

Friendly Regards,
 
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 07:59:25PM -0500, Philip Dorr wrote:
> Isn't that how towers are supposed to be grounded? Three ground rods
> one at each leg, 3+ feet away, hooked together in a loop and attached
> to each leg of the tower.  When you have guy wires are't you supposed
> to do the same between them?

The ground rods should be twice as far apart as they are long.  If
you drive an 8 foot ground rod, your next nearest ground rod should
be 16 feet from that one, according to the Polyphaser book.  If you
drive 16 foot rods, space them 32 feet apart.

I suggest everyone read the book.  Don't guess.  A couple of rods
cost about as much as the book and you're wasting rods.

We put a rod connected to each leg of our first tower.  Swept up
the little bitty plastic and silicon pieces three times the first
spring it was up before I got the book and added three more rods
16 ft from each of the original three.

The original three worked like about 1.25 ground rods.  Now it works
like 4.25 ground rods.  We haven't blown anything apart on that
tower in the 4 years since.  

Of course, we haven't had a strike in the two years I've had a
strike counter on it.  Maybe strike counters ward off strikes?

We don't put fewer than 6 rods on a tower.  The first rod is 16
feet from the tower leg.  That's tied to another rod 32 feet from
the tower leg.  If we can, we tie all the rods together in halos.

A ham I field day with manages towers for the forest service.  He
says they do three ring halos of ground rods around each tower.

> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> > We grounded all our towers the same as mike...3 rods in a triangle
> > about 10 ft out in each direction.

Probably works about like 2.5 ground rods worth of dissipation
ability without running the math.

> > On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Mike  wrote:
> >> Oh yeah, I usually ground with a triad of rods in an equilateral
> >> triangle at least 8 feet apart, and never a single rod.

Sounds like about 2 ground rods worth of dissipation ability without
running the math.

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[WISPA] CPE Monitoring Survey

[Jon Auer]

I was thinking about CPE monitoring today and wondering if/how everyone is
doing it.

I've got a brief (8 easy questions) survey at http://bit.ly/cpesurvey

If you can spare a minute or two to fill it out I'd be very grateful.
Of course, the results will be shared in aggregate.
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[jp]

Make sure the tower is grounded to the electrical system ground as well.

Sort of like every house is grounded with a lightning rod, but uses the 
electrical system ground also. 

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:18:04AM -0600, Mark Dueck wrote:
> I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.
> 
> We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
> single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
> (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
> like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
> grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
> all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
> legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
> goes directly into the limestone.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
> > Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
> > jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went away.
> > Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. If
> > its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
> > static.
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
> >
> > I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
> > cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
> > a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
> > try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Scott Lambert]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 07:59:25PM -0500, Philip Dorr wrote:
> Isn't that how towers are supposed to be grounded? Three ground rods
> one at each leg, 3+ feet away, hooked together in a loop and attached
> to each leg of the tower.  When you have guy wires are't you supposed
> to do the same between them?

The ground rods should be twice as far apart as they are long.  If
you drive an 8 foot ground rod, your next nearest ground rod should
be 16 feet from that one, according to the Polyphaser book.  If you
drive 16 foot rods, space them 32 feet apart.

I suggest everyone read the book.  Don't guess.  A couple of rods
cost about as much as the book and you're wasting rods.

We put a rod connected to each leg of our first tower.  Swept up
the little bitty plastic and silicon pieces three times the first
spring it was up before I got the book and added three more rods
16 ft from each of the original three.

The original three worked like about 1.25 ground rods.  Now it works
like 4.25 ground rods.  We haven't blown anything apart on that
tower in the 4 years since.  

Of course, we haven't had a strike in the two years I've had a
strike counter on it.  Maybe strike counters ward off strikes?

We don't put fewer than 6 rods on a tower.  The first rod is 16
feet from the tower leg.  That's tied to another rod 32 feet from
the tower leg.  If we can, we tie all the rods together in halos.

A ham I field day with manages towers for the forest service.  He
says they do three ring halos of ground rods around each tower.

> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> > We grounded all our towers the same as mike...3 rods in a triangle
> > about 10 ft out in each direction.

Probably works about like 2.5 ground rods worth of dissipation
ability without running the math.

> > On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Mike  wrote:
> >> Oh yeah, I usually ground with a triad of rods in an equilateral
> >> triangle at least 8 feet apart, and never a single rod.

Sounds like about 2 ground rods worth of dissipation ability without
running the math.

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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Good point, but that's not the problem in our case.  We also noticed
that the "ON sequence delay" setting affects the cycle time as well.
The default setting is often too fast and won't actually powercycle PoE
powered MikroTik devices.  We've found that changing that setting to
5-10 seconds works much better.

-Kristian

On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 10:55 -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> Most common mistake made with the Web Power Switch units is the default 
> is to leave plugs off when losing power, we change those settings to 
> restore to previous state on power loss, problem solved.  Don't forget 
> to save changes.
> 
> Forbes
> 
> On 7/28/2010 10:26 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> > Thanks for making me think about it.  Last night at 7:30 we had a tower
> > go down.  Cause...web power switch failed and shut off all the plugs.  I
> > guess we'll have to try the battery trick.
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> > On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> >
> >> We've had almost as many dispatches to fix/replace broken DLI web power
> >> switches as we have saved dispatches from being able to remotely reboot
> >> devices.  At this point, we have half a dozen on the shelf that I'm
> >> reluctant to send out in the field.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, we have some older units (pre autoping) that have
> >> been running for 2-3 years in hot nasty environments.  I wish we could
> >> figure out what was causing the failures because, in theory, they're
> >> good units and reasonably priced.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Kristian Hoffmann
> >> System Administrator
> >> kh...@fire2wire.com
> >> http://www.fire2wire.com
> >>
> >> Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >>  
> >>> Anyone has experience with the webpower switch? Good ? bad ?
> >>>
> >>> Gino A. Villarini
> >>> g...@aeronetpr.com
> >>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >>> 787.273.4143
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> >>> Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:32 PM
> >>> To: WISPA General List
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
> >>>
> >>> Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer
> >>> supported the paging protocol those units used.
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profito  wrote:
> >>>
>  http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
> 
>  This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
>  line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have 
>  saved a
>  trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
>  Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
>  network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you 
>  know
>  how long the batteries will last.
> 
> 
>  Chuck Profito
>  209-988-7388
>  CV-Access, Inc.
>  www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
>  Providing Broadband Internet Access to
>  California's Rural Central Valley
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>  Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>  Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
> 
> What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
>  WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
>  cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/28/2010 02:46 PM, you wrote:

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boundary="=_NextPart_000_00FB_01CB2E52.D6C23980"
Content-Language: en-us

Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for 
you but 12V 20A $490:

<http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49>


Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind.  Especially 
since the non-metallic blades only have a 3' diameter.  Stick a good 
deep discharge battery in a box with the charge controller and it 
should be able to power a nice Routerboard arrangement, maybe with 
some Ethernet radios on the side.  The fun will be mounting 
everything on the pole.  Questions like who gets the top, the antenna 
or the windmill?  (Probably the turbine, so it can move with the wind.)


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

[Scott Reed]

MUM is not for training, but MT is offering several courses the same 
week as MUM.  I think at the same venue.
I went to MUM Dallas last year.  It is worth while.  Though not for 
training, I did learn a lot.  There were several presentations on new 
things and there were presentations on new ways to use the old things.
I also was able to meet a bunch of folks from the maillists I 
participate in.  Though I was not able to make the WISPA event in St 
Louis, from what I heard there was a lot more going on there than at a 
MUM.  Still for the price, I did find it worthwhile and hope to attend 
again this year.


Josh Luthman wrote:
MUM is not for training.  MUM is similar to Animal Farm if you've been 
there.  It's more of a trade show and has a few presentations on how 
some people use Mikrotik.


If you want training I'd suggest Butch Evans' classes.  I found the 
basic class to be very informative even knowing quite a bit of the 
material.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Paul Gerstenberger > wrote:


Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm
thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've
integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's
working well, be nice to have a little official training though.

-Paul




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Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/28/2010 12:59 PM, you wrote:

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where 
at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a 
competitive provider that does not receive support


Ø  Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 
75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer 
be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband 
they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not 
provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention 
cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the 
playing field for WISP's in rural markets!


That is the way I see it too!


I don't.  See page 22 of the bill (scanned version only on line, 
alas; emphasis added):


"...the Commission determines that at least 75% of the households can 
purchase **wireline** voice service and **wired** high-speed 
broadband service from an unsupported, facilities-based, 
non-incumbent provider..."


There's also a reference further down (p24) to "voice service of 
standard quality".  That rules out Skype or any non-QoS-enabled VoIP 
platform, or any non-PSTN non-E.164 service.  If this were the only 
issue though, it would be easy enough to provide a technical fix.


The rule appears aimed at cable.  If there is unsubsidized 
PacketCable telephony, then why should the FCC subsidize ILECs?


There's also support in the bill for "mobile wireless" 
providers.  Over the past decade, CMRS carriers have been the largest 
(by far) competitive ETCs.  Current FCC plans phase this out.  The 
largest recipients are AT&T and Verizon, the latter via its Alltel / 
Western Wireless purchase.  The Boucher (D-Verizon) bill instead 
allows CMRSs to bid to become the supported mobile carrier in a given area.


There are various other goodies (if you're Verizon) in the bill, 
including an order that the FCC complete intercarrier compensation 
reform within a year (it has been an open docket since April, 2001, 
and each Commission seems to want to pass the ball to its successor 
rather than do anything).  And section 303 apparently bans access 
revenue sharing, so the free conference call industry goes out of 
business.  I guess we'll all have to move our conference calls to the 
Internet.  This is a real pain, but VZ, ATT and Sprint don't want to 
pay the teensy bit that it costs them (though it helps encourage the 
sale of overpriced flat-rate usage plans).


The bill adds USF taxes to WISPs and basically prohibits them from 
receiving anything.  This is consistent with the FCC's current "pay 
for the bullet" proposal.  Such a deal!


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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Scott Parsons]

Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for you but
12V 20A $490:



 

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e-zy.net

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FAX: 801-618-4220

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 

At 7/28/2010 12:37 PM, Mike Gilchrist wrote:

>I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=51

> 

>Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors,

>TCHM1-L.  They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt

>cutters.  I fit a length of schedule 80 4" pipe to mount radios above the

>pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole.

> 

>You put these things on right and you will have no problems.  Nice
hardware.

 

Beautiful!  Thanks.  This is exactly what I was looking for.

 

Now to just find a simple, cheap, reliable (pick 3) little wind 

charger for those off-grid sites... ;-)

 

>Friendly Regards,

> 

>Mike

> 

>Mike Gilchrist

>Disruptive Technologist

>Advanced Wireless Express

>P.O. Box 255

>Toledo, IA   52342

>239.770.6203

>m...@aweiowa.com

> 

> 

>-Original Message-

>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

>Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger

>Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM

>To: WISPA General List

>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

> 

>Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a
neighbor

>PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to

>maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space.  Mounts

>depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast

>bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to
Trango,

>and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be

>working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures.

> 

>Here are the MTI brackets:

>http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-
M

>T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg

> 

>-Paul

> 

>On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

> 

> > At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:

> >> We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are

> >> 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.

> >

> > Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have

> > poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when

> > possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need

> > to put up our own.

> >

> > Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What

> > hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put

> > antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you

> > always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...

> >

> >> -Paul

> >>

> >> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:

> >>

> >>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not

> >>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to

> >>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in

> >>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these

> >>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will

> >>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put

> >>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers

> >>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

> >>>

> >>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of

> >>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what

> >>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The

> >>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber

> >>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in

> >>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or

> >>> setup with us too.  Thanks.

> >>>

 

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/28/2010 12:37 PM, Mike Gilchrist wrote:
>I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=51
>
>Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors,
>TCHM1-L.  They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt
>cutters.  I fit a length of schedule 80 4" pipe to mount radios above the
>pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole.
>
>You put these things on right and you will have no problems.  Nice hardware.

Beautiful!  Thanks.  This is exactly what I was looking for.

Now to just find a simple, cheap, reliable (pick 3) little wind 
charger for those off-grid sites... ;-)

>Friendly Regards,
>
>Mike
>
>Mike Gilchrist
>Disruptive Technologist
>Advanced Wireless Express
>P.O. Box 255
>Toledo, IA   52342
>239.770.6203
>m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
>Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor
>PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to
>maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space.  Mounts
>depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast
>bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango,
>and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be
>working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures.
>
>Here are the MTI brackets:
>http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-M
>T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg
>
>-Paul
>
>On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>
> > At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:
> >> We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are
> >> 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.
> >
> > Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have
> > poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when
> > possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need
> > to put up our own.
> >
> > Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What
> > hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put
> > antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you
> > always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...
> >
> >> -Paul
> >>
> >> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
> >>
> >>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >>>

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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Forbes Mercy]

Most common mistake made with the Web Power Switch units is the default 
is to leave plugs off when losing power, we change those settings to 
restore to previous state on power loss, problem solved.  Don't forget 
to save changes.

Forbes

On 7/28/2010 10:26 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> Thanks for making me think about it.  Last night at 7:30 we had a tower
> go down.  Cause...web power switch failed and shut off all the plugs.  I
> guess we'll have to try the battery trick.
>
> -Kristian
>
> On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
>
>> We've had almost as many dispatches to fix/replace broken DLI web power
>> switches as we have saved dispatches from being able to remotely reboot
>> devices.  At this point, we have half a dozen on the shelf that I'm
>> reluctant to send out in the field.
>>
>> On the other hand, we have some older units (pre autoping) that have
>> been running for 2-3 years in hot nasty environments.  I wish we could
>> figure out what was causing the failures because, in theory, they're
>> good units and reasonably priced.
>>
>> -- 
>> Kristian Hoffmann
>> System Administrator
>> kh...@fire2wire.com
>> http://www.fire2wire.com
>>
>> Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>  
>>> Anyone has experience with the webpower switch? Good ? bad ?
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> 787.273.4143
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:32 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>>>
>>> Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer
>>> supported the paging protocol those units used.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profito  wrote:
>>>
 http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html

 This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
 line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have saved 
 a
 trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
 Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
 network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know
 how long the batteries will last.


 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-Access, Inc.
 www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
 Providing Broadband Internet Access to
 California's Rural Central Valley


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
 WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
 cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.

 --


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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Thanks for making me think about it.  Last night at 7:30 we had a tower
go down.  Cause...web power switch failed and shut off all the plugs.  I
guess we'll have to try the battery trick.

-Kristian

On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> We've had almost as many dispatches to fix/replace broken DLI web power
> switches as we have saved dispatches from being able to remotely reboot
> devices.  At this point, we have half a dozen on the shelf that I'm
> reluctant to send out in the field.
> 
> On the other hand, we have some older units (pre autoping) that have
> been running for 2-3 years in hot nasty environments.  I wish we could
> figure out what was causing the failures because, in theory, they're
> good units and reasonably priced.
> 
> -- 
> Kristian Hoffmann
> System Administrator
> kh...@fire2wire.com
> http://www.fire2wire.com  
> 
> Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote:
> > Anyone has experience with the webpower switch? Good ? bad ?
> > 
> > Gino A. Villarini
> > g...@aeronetpr.com
> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> > 787.273.4143
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:32 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
> > 
> > Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer
> > supported the paging protocol those units used.
> > 
> > On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profito  wrote:
> > > http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
> > >
> > > This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
> > > line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have 
> > > saved a
> > > trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
> > > Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
> > > network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know
> > > how long the batteries will last.
> > >
> > >
> > > Chuck Profito
> > > 209-988-7388
> > > CV-Access, Inc.
> > > www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
> > > Providing Broadband Internet Access to
> > > California's Rural Central Valley
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
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> > > Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
> > >
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> > > WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> > > cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever

[Josh Luthman]

The next deadline is September 1, keep in mind.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:

>  I agree Brian that this is potentially a huge positive for WISPs. People,
> if you have not declared yourself officially, you are shooting yourself in
> the foot (maybe the head). File your Form 477.
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
>
>  --
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:37 AM
>
> *To:* memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason
> todocument and map your network coverage ever
> *Importance:* High
>
>  Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee
> list. I took particular note to the following statement:
>
>
>
> *- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
> least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
> provider that does not receive support***
>
>
>
> Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a
> current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to
> receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to
> many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and
> Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. *This would be a
> huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP’s in rural markets!* I
> cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than
> this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming
> in to your service area, but it will also erode funding  for any Telco who
> currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a
> delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial
> revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all
> know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density
> markets.
>
>
>
> There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and
> foremost though is that you should file *the Form 477* as required. Next
> one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would
> confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me
> to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in
> your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps
> will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75%
> coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification
> source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone
> to say you don’t exist and don’t offer coverage in their areas.
>
>
>
> One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be
> required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP’s
> were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US
> is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it
> there will be much less.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
> --
>
>
>
> Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation
> that would reform the Universal Service Fund.  The Press Release, Overview,
> Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link:
>
>
> http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1579&Itemid=122
>
>
>
> I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon.  A few highlights
> that the trade press has noted:
>
> - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
> least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
> provider that does not receive support
>
> - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring
> support models
>
> - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support
>
> - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area
>
> - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their
> service areas, or would lose support
>
> - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution
> base
>
> - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband
>
>
>
> Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his "front burner" and that he
> wants to get the legislation passed this Fall.  Please feel free to comment
> on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote
> education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may
> wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Stephen E. Coran
>
> Rini Coran, PC
>
> 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600
>
> Washington, D.C. 20036
>
> 202.463.4310 - voice
>
> 2

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

[St. Louis Broadband]

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
provider that does not receive support

 

Ø  Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a
current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to
receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to
many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and
Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge
factor in leveling the playing field for WISP’s in rural markets!

 

That is the way I see it too!

 

 

Victoria Proffer

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

314-974-5600

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:37 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to
document and map your network coverage ever
Importance: High

 

Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I
took particular note to the following statement:

 

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
provider that does not receive support

 

Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a
current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to
receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to
many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and
Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge
factor in leveling the playing field for WISP’s in rural markets! I cannot
see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this.
Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to
your service area, but it will also erode funding  for any Telco who
currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a
delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial
revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all
know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density
markets.

 

There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and
foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one
should map their network with an accurate service area where you would
confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me
to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in
your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps
will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75%
coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification
source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone
to say you don’t exist and don’t offer coverage in their areas.

 

One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be
required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP’s
were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US
is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it
there will be much less.



Brian

--

 

Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that
would reform the Universal Service Fund.  The Press Release, Overview,
Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link:

http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content
 &task=view&id=1579&Itemid=122

 

I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon.  A few highlights
that the trade press has noted:

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
provider that does not receive support

- FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring
support models

- competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support

- no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area

- carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their
service areas, or would lose support

- all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base

- FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband 

 

Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his "front burner" and that he
wants to get the legislation passed this Fall.  Please feel free to comment
on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote
education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may
wish to take as the bill works i

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever

[Patrick Leary]

I agree Brian that this is potentially a huge positive for WISPs.
People, if you have not declared yourself officially, you are shooting
yourself in the foot (maybe the head). File your Form 477.
 
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:37 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason
todocument and map your network coverage ever
Importance: High



Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee
list. I took particular note to the following statement:

 

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a
competitive provider that does not receive support

 

Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a
current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility
to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have
access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services.
Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This
would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural
markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your
networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized
competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode
funding  for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This
would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there
are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver
last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per
household passed in low density markets.

 

There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and
foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next
one should map their network with an accurate service area where you
would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including
paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be
participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect
that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources
to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become
another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would
be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage
in their areas.

 

One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will
be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if
WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less
of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through
USF to get it there will be much less.



Brian

--

 

Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation
that would reform the Universal Service Fund.  The Press Release,
Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available
at this link:

http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1
579&Itemid=122

 

I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon.  A few
highlights that the trade press has noted:

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where
at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a
competitive provider that does not receive support

- FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring
support models

- competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support

- no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area

- carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their
service areas, or would lose support

- all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution
base

- FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband 

 

Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his "front burner" and that he
wants to get the legislation passed this Fall.  Please feel free to
comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can
promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever
position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way through
Congress.  Thanks.  

 

Stephen E. Coran

Rini Coran, PC

1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 

Washington, D.C. 20036

202.463.4310 - voice

202.669.3288 - cell

202.296.2014 - fax

sco...@rinicoran.com   - e-mail

www.rinicoran.com  

www.telecommunicationslaw.com  

 




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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 09:24 -0700, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: 
> Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? 
> I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've 
> integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far 
> it's working well, be nice to have a little official training 
> though.

I have a training class scheduled for next week (see
http://store.wispgear.net/ for details).  Mikrotik's "official" training
(from the reviews I've seen) don't get very good reviews, due to the
difficulty people have in understanding what they are saying...

As for the MUM, they are generally pretty good shows.  I've never heard
anyone say they were disappointed for having attended.

-- 

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* http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
* http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks   *
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

[Paul Gerstenberger]

I also wanted a plane ticket to Phoenix, hoping I could justify it.

-Paul

On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> MUM is not for training.  MUM is similar to Animal Farm if you've been there. 
>  It's more of a trade show and has a few presentations on how some people use 
> Mikrotik.
> 
> If you want training I'd suggest Butch Evans' classes.  I found the basic 
> class to be very informative even knowing quite a bit of the material.
> 
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> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
> Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of 
> going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our 
> production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little 
> official training though.
> 
> -Paul
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Ryan Spott]

Was this a WA state PUD? Do you have some pics of an install or 2?

ryan

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:

> Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a
> neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case
> we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space.
>  Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast
> bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango,
> and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be
> working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures.
>
> Here are the MTI brackets:
> http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-MT-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg
>
> -Paul
>
> On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>
> > At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:
> >> We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are
> >> 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.
> >
> > Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have
> > poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when
> > possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need
> > to put up our own.
> >
> > Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What
> > hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put
> > antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you
> > always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...
> >
> >> -Paul
> >>
> >> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
> >>
> >>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >  --
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Mike]

I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=51

Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors,
TCHM1-L.  They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt
cutters.  I fit a length of schedule 80 4" pipe to mount radios above the
pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole.

You put these things on right and you will have no problems.  Nice hardware.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor
PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to
maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space.  Mounts
depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast
bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango,
and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be
working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures.

Here are the MTI brackets:
http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-M
T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg

-Paul

On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

> At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:
>> We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are 
>> 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.
> 
> Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have 
> poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when 
> possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need 
> to put up our own.
> 
> Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What 
> hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put 
> antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you 
> always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...
> 
>> -Paul
>> 
>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
>> 
>>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
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[WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

[Brian Webster]

Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I
took particular note to the following statement:

 

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
provider that does not receive support

 

Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a
current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to
receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to
many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and
Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge
factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot
see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this.
Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to
your service area, but it will also erode funding  for any Telco who
currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a
delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial
revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all
know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density
markets.

 

There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and
foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one
should map their network with an accurate service area where you would
confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me
to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in
your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps
will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75%
coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification
source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone
to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas.

 

One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be
required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's
were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US
is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it
there will be much less.



Brian

--

 

Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that
would reform the Universal Service Fund.  The Press Release, Overview,
Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link:

http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content
 &task=view&id=1579&Itemid=122

 

I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon.  A few highlights
that the trade press has noted:

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive
provider that does not receive support

- FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring
support models

- competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support

- no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area

- carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their
service areas, or would lose support

- all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base

- FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband 

 

Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his "front burner" and that he
wants to get the legislation passed this Fall.  Please feel free to comment
on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote
education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may
wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress.  Thanks.  

 

Stephen E. Coran

Rini Coran, PC

1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 

Washington, D.C. 20036

202.463.4310 - voice

202.669.3288 - cell

202.296.2014 - fax

  sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail

www.rinicoran.com  

www.telecommunicationslaw.com  

 




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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

[Josh Luthman]

MUM is not for training.  MUM is similar to Animal Farm if you've been
there.  It's more of a trade show and has a few presentations on how some
people use Mikrotik.

If you want training I'd suggest Butch Evans' classes.  I found the basic
class to be very informative even knowing quite a bit of the material.

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> Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of
> going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our
> production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little
> official training though.
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[WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

[Paul Gerstenberger]

Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of 
going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our 
production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little 
official training though.

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Paul Gerstenberger]

Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor 
PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to 
maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space.  Mounts 
depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, 
we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've 
pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a 
couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures.

Here are the MTI brackets: 
http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-MT-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg

-Paul

On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

> At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:
>> We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are 
>> 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.
> 
> Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have 
> poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when 
> possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need 
> to put up our own.
> 
> Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What 
> hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put 
> antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you 
> always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...
> 
>> -Paul
>> 
>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
>> 
>>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Overheating UPS?

[Forbes Mercy]

Honestly isn't this something the Underwriters Laboratory would be 
interested in since they certify these units?

On 7/28/2010 8:44 AM, jp wrote:
> I've had the 2u rackmount APCs eventually get hot and overcharge the
> battery. They'd be quite warm with little or no load, and the batteries
> would bulge. This is in 72f datacenter. They last much shorter in 95
> degree heat in my opinion. When it happens, we pull them out of service
> and use a tripplite APS. For small cheap UPSs we get a APC backups or
> tripplite or whatever is onsale at staples.
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29:26AM -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
>
>> It is getting ready to fail.I have had two APCs that got hot and
>> failed soon after.One made for an awful stink in the NOC when it
>> finally went.   I thought the building was on fire.
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
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>> On 7/27/2010 7:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
>>  
>>> One of my UPS's at a house/tower was chirping, I sent a technician to
>>> pull the unit in for testing.  It was so hot that they had to wrap it in
>>> towels to move it, it wasn't chirping when he got there.  It has a
>>> minimum load of about 3-4 amps for a couple Mikrotik and Motorola radios
>>> on it with a switch and remote reboot unit.  The UPS was in an attic of
>>> the house and it is averaging about 95 degrees (we don't have humidity
>>> here) outside so I figure over 100 in the attic.  I'll let it cool down
>>> overnight in the office but my guess is the chirping was a high temp
>>> warning, any ideas?
>>>
>>> SmartAPC Model SUA 750 - about a year old.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Overheating UPS?

[jp]

I've had the 2u rackmount APCs eventually get hot and overcharge the 
battery. They'd be quite warm with little or no load, and the batteries 
would bulge. This is in 72f datacenter. They last much shorter in 95 
degree heat in my opinion. When it happens, we pull them out of service 
and use a tripplite APS. For small cheap UPSs we get a APC backups or 
tripplite or whatever is onsale at staples.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29:26AM -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> It is getting ready to fail.I have had two APCs that got hot and 
> failed soon after.One made for an awful stink in the NOC when it 
> finally went.   I thought the building was on fire.
> 
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
> 
> On 7/27/2010 7:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> > One of my UPS's at a house/tower was chirping, I sent a technician to
> > pull the unit in for testing.  It was so hot that they had to wrap it in
> > towels to move it, it wasn't chirping when he got there.  It has a
> > minimum load of about 3-4 amps for a couple Mikrotik and Motorola radios
> > on it with a switch and remote reboot unit.  The UPS was in an attic of
> > the house and it is averaging about 95 degrees (we don't have humidity
> > here) outside so I figure over 100 in the attic.  I'll let it cool down
> > overnight in the office but my guess is the chirping was a high temp
> > warning, any ideas?
> >
> > SmartAPC Model SUA 750 - about a year old.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Jon Auer]

You can also get a data card with a telemetry plan from a cell carrier
and plug it into a Mikrotik.
The setup fee can be pretty steep but once its set up the cost isn't
super high so long as you aren't pushing a lot of data.
Gets you out of band access to the tower network including any network
controllable outlet strips/PDUs/rebooters.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Ryan Spott  wrote:
> $200 bucks and a prepaid SIM card?
> 
> ryan
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>>
>> They still them and actively support them in many areas, according to
>> them.  They say the problem is that the paging providers are closing down in
>> some areas due to the economy.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
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>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2010 1:04 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a few,
>> but they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my units...now they are
>> paperweights.
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
>>> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
>>> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
>>>
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