AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kurt Gnos
I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the "Preview" program on Mac. At least you ask the question yourself - Another issue for PDF on screen (actually, I just need it for printing most of the time, and

AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kurt Gnos
I have no problems with Finale and PDF on Windows. I use Acrobat pro 7 and sometimes do 30 PDFs a day. They are crisp and clean. Don't blame Finale - check your program and settings. Kurt > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im > Auftrag von [EMAI

AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kurt Gnos
God I'm glad I started this thread. Really - how about MakeMusic and Sibelius sitting down and discussing their future. I mean, they share most of the professional (and many less professional, no qualification intended) users wanting to notate musical scores. Thinking about some file compatibility

AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
Ok, the stafflines are displaying better in low resolution. Since I need PDFs for printing, I don't mind much. And when I want to look a PDFs, I use high resolution (1920x1200), and that's fine - say, compared with the quality of tons of scanned PDFs I have... But here is a simple solution. If the

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 2:34, Kurt Gnos wrote: > Really - how about MakeMusic and > Sibelius sitting down and discussing their future. I mean, they share most > of the professional (and many less professional, no qualification > intended) users wanting to notate musical scores. Well, companies usually

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Kurt Gnos wrote, on 9/22/2007 8:04 PM: I have no problems with Finale and PDF on Windows. I use Acrobat pro 7 and sometimes do 30 PDFs a day. They are crisp and clean. Don't blame Finale - check your program and settings. Can you post a PDF example on your website? One that is *printed* from F

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the "Preview" program on Mac. No, now we really are getting confused here. The screen display of Windows produced Finale PDFs is

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I have no problems with Finale and PDF on Windows. I use Acrobat pro 7 and sometimes do 30 PDFs a day. They are crisp and clean. Don't blame Finale - check your program and settings. You mean in printout or on screen? I don't think there ever was a problem in pri

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dhbailey
Kurt Gnos wrote: [snip]> I wish our list could be strong enough to DEMAND this. [snip] The demands/requests are there -- what is needed is for MakeMusic to respond in a manner which shows that they care about their installed customer base, instead of using Finale-generated income to support

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: But here is a simple solution. If the staff lines are troubling you - just go to document options - Lines and curves - and set the line thickness of staff lines to a lower value - I used 0.003 in my sample PDF that you can get from: http://mypage.bluewin.ch/kgnos/t

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:41 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the "Preview" program on Mac. No, now we really are getting confused h

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:11 AM, dc wrote: dhbailey écrit: My bet would be that there is a larger flow from Finale to Sibelius than the other way around. Of course! MM is doing its best to send its users to Sibelius... I know many people who have made the switch from F to S, and none who hav

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:41 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the "Preview" program on Mac. No, now we really

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread John Howell
At 8:03 AM -0400 9/23/07, dhbailey wrote: It would be very interesting to see the amount of cross-grade sales of Sibelius for Finale-users and compare that with cross-grade sales of Finale for Sibelius users. My bet would be that there is a larger flow from Finale to Sibelius than the other

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 2:36 PM, John Howell wrote: This is simply a parenthetical comment, not a call for discussion. One of the lists I'm on is the 18th Century Interdisciplinary Discussion List--mostly frighteningly literate and knowledgeable English professors, some of whom know more abou

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:20 PM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:41 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be t

AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im > Auftrag von Johannes Gebauer > Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. September 2007 17:23 > An: finale@shsu.edu > Betreff: Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale > > On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote:

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: Not on my system. Preview makes all the line grey onscreen, but only from SOME Windows-produced PDFs (Mac ones look fine), but Reader 8 looks great. But the lines should be grey. They are thinner than one pixel, so the anti-aliasing should make it grey.

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 22:02, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > The problem with the windows PDF output displayed in Reader is that all > the lines are different thickness, extremely thick, and the notes are so > blotchy one can't read them. Well, that's a horse of a different color. On every PC I've ever vi

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: Not on my system. Preview makes all the line grey onscreen, but only from SOME Windows-produced PDFs (Mac ones look fine), but Reader 8 looks great. But the lines should be grey. They are thinner t

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
> Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, is > also > a kind of postscript, this should be solved easily. This does not address the fact that Finale's "Compile Postscript Listing" function produces a perfect display. Finale prints to Postscript and compiles Postscript q

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
PS to previous: The reason this is very important for me is that "Compile Postscript Listing" does *not* include embedded graphics. For many scores, I need them, and have had to fall back on printing to Postscript and its poor results. Dennis ___ F

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The example you posted looks like the quality display produced by "Compile Postscript Listing" rather than print-to-Postscript. What was your printing sequence from Finale? And what printer driver were you printing to? No, he just used very thin lines. If

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
Johannes wrote: > No, he just used very thin lines. If you print this example it will look > pretty awful, at least to my eyes. If you look at the example at high > magnification you will still see that the lines don't anti-alias, and > display slightly different thicknesses. The lines are very th

AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
September 2007 21:47 > An: finale@shsu.edu > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale > > > Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, > is > > also > > a kind of postscript, this should be solved easily. &g

AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im > Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. September 2007 22:05 > An: finale@shsu.edu > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale > > > PS to previo

AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
3. September 2007 22:22 > An: finale@shsu.edu > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale > > Johannes wrote: > > No, he just used very thin lines. If you print this example it will > look > > pretty awful, at least to my eyes. If you look at the exa

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 21:37, Kurt Gnos wrote: > Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, is > also a kind of postscript, Huh? How does Finale on Windows utilize PS onscreen? The fact is, it doesn't. For that matter, on Mac, display PS *is* used for rendering, but at the

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 15:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, is > > also > > a kind of postscript, this should be solved easily. > > This does not address the fact that Finale's "Compile Postscript Listing" > function produces a perfect

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 22:09, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > On 23.09.2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The example you posted looks like the quality display produced by > > "Compile Postscript Listing" rather than print-to-Postscript. What was > > your printing sequence from Finale? And what printer driver

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread dhbailey
dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: But, again, the problem as I see it is *not* with Finale, but with Acrobat's incorrect line smoothing. I don't know why Finale sends multiple thin lines instead of a single line with a particular thickness to the print driver, but perhaps there's a reason for tha

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
dc wrote, on 9/24/2007 2:02 AM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit: This does not address the fact that Finale's "Compile Postscript Listing" function produces a perfect display. Finale prints to Postscript and compiles Postscript quite differently. Does this work with any kind of font? TT or PS or OT?

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
dc wrote, on 9/24/2007 8:12 AM: I can't get Compile PS to work. Finale crashes if I include the fonts. And it gives nice staff lines if I don't, but without the fonts (except Maestro, for some reason)... The resulting PDF has only two fonts listed: Maestro and Courier. Courier is the normal s

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Sep 2007 at 8:02, dc wrote: > David W. Fenton écrit: > >But, again, the problem as I see it is *not* with Finale, but with > >Acrobat's incorrect line smoothing. I don't know why Finale sends > >multiple thin lines instead of a single line with a particular > >thickness to the print driver,

AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread Kurt Gnos
rk ok for me. I have even used PDFs to create EPS, with success... Kurt > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im > Auftrag von dhbailey > Gesendet: Montag, 24. September 2007 12:37 > An: finale@shsu.edu > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Finale

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 24.09.2007 Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: As I say, the only thing Finale's "Compile Postscript Listing" doesn't do is compile the TIFF graphics with it. Have you tried using EPS graphics instead? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de

Re: AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
> you can send me a Finale File using embedded Graphics, and I will print it > using Acrobat 7 Pro in XP and upload the output. Kurt, Most of my files are 20-100MB with their embedded graphics -- a tad too large to send. But I am trying another set of new drivers, and other than the staff lines,

Re: AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
Dennis, Try yousendit.com for large files. They allow files to be sent up to 100mb when you register. I find it very useful. Christopher On Sep 23, 2007, at 5:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can send me a Finale File using embedded Graphics, and I will print it using Acrobat 7 Pro