Re: [gentoo-dev] Handling Launchpad SRC_URI

2009-01-25 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:38:32 -0800 Josh Saddler wrote: > Right now, there's no canonical (heh) way of handling SRC_URI for > projects that have their files at launchpad.net. We need a standard > way of handling Launchpad SRC_URIs, similar to what we do with > mirror://sourceforge/ SRC_URIs. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RDEPEND definition in docs differ from official PMS specs

2009-01-17 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:41:25 +0100 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Marius Mauch schrieb: > > It's strongly recommended to set both explicitly as the behavior > > could change in future EAPI versions, and to ensure that you > > actually think about which deps are build deps and

Re: [gentoo-dev] RDEPEND definition in docs differ from official PMS specs

2009-01-17 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:09:49 +0100 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Hi, > > as specified in the PMS spec [1] and stated in #gentoo-portage, > RDEPEND will be set to DEPEND, if it is not defined in the ebuild > itself. But devmanual [2] and developer handbook [3] both state, you > have do explicitly set RD

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:15:54 +0100 Fabio Rossi wrote: > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > > Fabio Rossi wrote: > > > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Duncan wrote: > > >> Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could > > >> technically be used on/for other distributio

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:00:35 +0100 Fabio Rossi wrote: > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: > > > The same could be said about /var/lib/init.d, /var/lib/dhcp, > > /var/lib/iptables or several other packages that aren't hosted by > > Gentoo. In the oth

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:55:39 +0100 Fabio Rossi wrote: > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Marius Mauch wrote: > > > Any reason for that? Aesthetics aren't a very compelling argument > > IMO, and the FHS also seems to favor the current layout (in my > > interpretation

Re: [gentoo-dev] reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-30 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:12:23 +0100 Fabio Rossi wrote: > I'm proposing to reorganize the files related to Gentoo > inside /var/lib. Currently we have this situation (at least on my > system): > > /var/lib/eselect > /var/lib/gentoo/enews > /var/lib/herdstat/ > /var/lib/module-rebuild > /var/lib/po

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Should unicode be allowed in ebuild metadata variables?

2008-12-29 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:37:24 +0530 "Nirbheek Chauhan" wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Ben de Groot > wrote: > > Zac Medico wrote: > >> Nevermind, apparently GLEP 31 already requires ASCII anyway: > >> > >> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0031.html > >> > > The way I read that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: add a compiler-version entry to pkg db

2008-12-09 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:21:24 -0800 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 01:44 Tue 09 Dec , Federico Ferri wrote: > > today I hit this annoyance, because my laptop hung in the middle of > > an 'emerge -e @world' (checking that my world set compiles with > > gcc-4.3... stopped at ~ 300

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-02 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:19:18 +0100 Maciej Mrozowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, and I'm afraid I cannot provide any single evidence that users > actually need features like: > - per package cflags/ldflags/features > - per category use flags, accept_keywords, cflags > - or tag clouds instead of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Moving HOMEPAGE out of ebuilds for the future

2008-12-02 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:05:31 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote: > metadata.xml already contains data that eix and other software should > be able to search in (like longdescriptions), and having each package > in kde-base report http://www.kde.org/ as its homepage is kinda

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-12-01 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:35:32 -0700 Joe Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My intention with the RFC was to see if the concept has any worth and > to kick it around a bit. I do not really see this as a deficiency in > Gentoo's technology (which I have a feeling is how many here have > interpret

Re: [gentoo-dev] debug/release builds extensions/clarification proposal

2008-12-01 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:39:35 +0300 Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This leads me to different conclusion. I was thinking about new > portage feature: emerge --info . So to make portage show not > only global information but per-package either. In many cases this > will simplify analyzin

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-11-30 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:25:51 -0700 Joe Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bottom line here is that there is extremely valuable and critical info > in our emerge output. In a way, these messages are like > Gentoo-specific READMEs (or release notes and/or install > instructions). However, it is

[gentoo-dev] Time to say goodbye

2008-11-30 Thread Marius Mauch
So, time has come for me to realize that my time with Gentoo is over. I haven't actually been doing much Gentoo work over the last months due to personal reasons (nothing Gentoo related), and I don't see that situation changing in the near future. In fact I've already reassigned or dropped most of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please review: function epunt_la_files for eutils.eclass

2008-11-14 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:35:44 +0100 Gilles Dartiguelongue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le mercredi 12 novembre 2008 à 18:16 +0100, Peter Alfredsen a écrit : > [snip] > > > Mart had already proposed a "static-lib" USE flag. Donnie just > > > suggested on IRC we turn this use flag into a FEATURES fla

Re: [gentoo-dev] kerberos USE flag

2008-10-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:52:59 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Someone remind me again why we have the kerberos USE flag enabled by > default? AFAIK it was added so that the default profile provides support for joining a Windows domain (same for the ldap flag). > If no one oppose

Re: USE=multislot, xDEPEND-syntax in SLOT and Slot dependencies [Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] some global useflags]

2008-10-15 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:20:32 -0700 "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ignoring Vapier's tirade against ciaranm there, we need the > xDEPEND-syntax for SLOTS as the real solution, however that still > wouldn't resolve the portion that has CTARGET as part of the SLOT, > since metadata g

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] some global useflags

2008-10-15 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:19:27 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:47:06 -0700 > "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 05:43:38PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > Utterly illegal, needs to die. > > > > Why? I don't agree th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilize ebuilds which use EAPIs only supported by ~arch PMs

2008-10-14 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:59:39 +0200 Jose Luis Rivero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:38:34PM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > On 02:03 Tue 14 Oct , Jose Luis Rivero wrote: > > > > > > There are some others sceneries but are not so common as the one > > > presented coul

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New keywords for non-Gentoo Linux platforms

2008-10-10 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:48:19 +0200 Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whatever. Some of you seem to have some quite agressive dislikement > to it. In the end it's just a name/tag. I guess I could live with > anything, including c3p0. Well, while I dislike x64 I'm more concerned about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New keywords for non-Gentoo Linux platforms

2008-10-09 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:16:10 + (UTC) Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted > [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, > 10 Oct 2008 00:05:00 +0200: > > > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:11:01 +0200 > > Fabi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New keywords for non-Gentoo Linux platforms

2008-10-09 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:11:01 +0200 Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > amd64-linux > x64-openbsd > x64-solaris Is there a special reason why you're using "x64" instead of "amd64" in those cases? (IMO x64 is the most stupid name for the x86_64 architecture) Marius

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] PROPERTIES=set for meta-packages that should behave like package sets (revised)

2008-10-03 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:46:41 + "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would also be important to have versioned sets (depending on a > slot, for example). Marius Mauch (genone) suggested a very > interesting way to solve this by using a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] PROPERTIES=set for meta-packages that should behave like package sets

2008-09-28 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:21:18 -0700 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everyone, > > Please consider a PROPERTIES=set value that allows an ebuild to > indicate that it should behave like a package set when selected on > the command line.

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: World file handling changes in Portage-2.2

2008-09-25 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:24:57 +0200 Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - another idea that hasn't been mentioned yet is that we could simply > inject @system into world_sets in the portage ebuild when we detect a > 2.1->2.2 upgrade (the ebuild already does a few othe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: News item: World file handling changes in Portage-2.2

2008-09-09 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:43:45 +0100 Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marius Mauch wrote: > > > Second for the suggestions on how to handle the transition: > > - treating 'world' and '@world' differently is a no go from my POV. > > One of

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: World file handling changes in Portage-2.2

2008-09-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:39:41 +0300 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As per glep 42 (http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0042.html) > here is the required email for a new news item. This news item is > important because otherwise users will be missing updates to the > system set if the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-09-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:20:07 + (UTC) Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I therefore believe I like just moving them all to a *virtual*/ > category better, thus obviating the need for that particular property > in the first place. I strongly belive that it's a horrible idea to add special mea

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-09-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:01:48 -0700 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do the name and definition of this PROPERTIES=virtual value seem > good? Would anybody like to discuss any changes to the name, > definition, or both? If it's only used to indicate that the package doesn't install any file

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] PROPERTIES=live (instead of PROPERTIES=live-sources or RESTRICT=live)

2008-09-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:39:58 -0700 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do the name and definition of this PROPERTIES=live value seem good? > Would anybody like to discuss any changes to the name, definition, > or both? Not sure if 'live' is really the best choice here, as many things also app

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New RESTRICT=live value for identification of live ebuilds?

2008-08-06 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:02:48 -0700 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everyone, > > It might good to add support for a new RESTRICT=live value in > ebuilds. By specifying this value, an ebuild would be able to > indicate that it uses sr

Re: [gentoo-dev] metadata.xml USE flag descriptions

2008-07-28 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:50:01 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please make sure you commit any changes to use.local.desc to > metadata.xml otherwise you risk the chance of having your changes > lost. I'm currently in the process of converting use.local.desc to > metadata.xml. Aft

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-27 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:45:29 -0500 Jeremy Olexa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > It will at least allow QA team to fix such bugs where patches are > > already available. > > So, if bugs are being fixed why is there a need to fix something that > isn't b

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-21 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:02:57 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marius Mauch wrote: > > Now that's a big exaggeration. It _might_ be missing from world > > updates (there are still many cases where it will be included), but > > that's not th

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: auto-detection of unpack dependencies

2008-07-20 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:41:58 +0400 Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > В Чтв, 17/07/2008 в 04:51 +0200, Marius Mauch пишет: > > At dev.gentoo.org/~genone/unpack.eclass is the draft for an eclass > > to implement this feature. > > Marius, although it's poss

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:21:24 +0100 Robert Bridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:30:20 +0200 > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > IMHO it would be better to teach users to explicitly specify > > '@system' during updates, e.g. `emerge -uDN @sys

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-18 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:01:28 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Olivier Crête wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 18:01 -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: > > > >> This brings out the fun of circular depends. I don't really know > >> how to address this but a lot of packages are going to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: auto-detection of unpack dependencies

2008-07-17 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:00:32 -0500 Joe Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marius Mauch wrote: > > The eclass also contains it's own implementation of unpack (renamed > > to unpack2) and src_unpack so the logic which tools/packages are > > used for unpacking can

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: auto-detection of unpack dependencies

2008-07-16 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:14:18 +0200 Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a result of Cardoes earlier mail we talked a bit about possible > solutions in #gento-portage, and I suggested to let portage > automatically inject the deps based on SRC_URI pattern matching.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: auto-detection of unpack dependencies

2008-07-15 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:34:33 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:23:26 +0200 > Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Right, just I'd expect the parsing of SRC_URI (with conditionals) to > > be a bit tricky in bash, not

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: auto-detection of unpack dependencies

2008-07-15 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:12:37 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:14:18 +0200 > Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As a result of Cardoes earlier mail we talked a bit about possible > > solutions in #gento-portage,

[gentoo-dev] RFC: auto-detection of unpack dependencies

2008-07-14 Thread Marius Mauch
As a result of Cardoes earlier mail we talked a bit about possible solutions in #gento-portage, and I suggested to let portage automatically inject the deps based on SRC_URI pattern matching. A mapping of extensions and their unpack deps would be kept in the tree (e.g. mapping '.tar.bz2' to '( app-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 July 2008

2008-07-13 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:11:18 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dberkholz: with GLEP 55 EAPI X can add the support for > scm > dberkholz: and older Portage versions work just fine I thought we established that EAPI (no matter how it's defined) only controls ebuild _contents_ ..

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: 0-day bump requests

2008-07-03 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:16:09 +0200 Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Disclaimer: I'm not really a package maintainer anymore. > 1) How do you feel when you receive an early version bump request? I guess like with most people it depends a) If I'm already aware of the new version, or would

Re: [gentoo-dev] When the version scheme changes

2008-06-29 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:20:06 +0200 "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Marius Mauch wrote: > > On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:52:37 +0200 > > "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMA

Re: [gentoo-dev] When the version scheme changes

2008-06-29 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:52:37 +0200 "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: > > On Saturday 28 June 2008 17:03:13 Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: > >> PV=${PV/0./} > >> > >> to that new ebuild. This is the

[gentoo-dev] License groups

2008-06-26 Thread Marius Mauch
While portage-2.2 has support for license visibility filtering (aka ACCEPT_LICENSE) this currently isn't very usable as we still don't have the necessary default license group and ACCEPT_LICENSE setting in the tree (and even the only existing license group is of questionable use, see bug #228527).

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-14 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:32:22 + Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Portage 2.2 and others support sets, portage 2.2 even supports > dynamic sets like the "@preserved-rebuild". Shouldn't be that hard to > add a "live-ebuilds" dynamic set. > (Comments on the feasibility of my idea from po

Re: [gentoo-dev] A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-14 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:38:18 +0200 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marius Mauch wrote: > > Ignoring possible semantic issues for the moment, > > Please point them so I could fix them properly ^^ For example all the ordering issues pointed out by others in this t

Re: [gentoo-dev] A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-13 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:05:01 +0200 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: > > Hello, > > > > looks like every nominee wants the council to be more technical so I > > have a few technical questions for you: > > > > 1. GLEP54 > > Just for fun I took some of the ideas a

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started

2008-06-10 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:42:34 +0200 Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Things I believe should be trivial to implement: > > > - Custom output names in SRC_URI, also called arrows (bug #177863) > > > > This I'd definitely delay as it probably affects a number of things. > > Such as

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started

2008-06-10 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:11:32 +0200 Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 10 June 2008 18:26:55 Doug Goldstein wrote: > > Let's try to aim to do an EAPI=2 sometime soonish since Portage now > > has USE flag depends in version 2.2 which is looming on the > > horizon. It'd be nic

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP56] USE flag descriptions in metadata

2008-06-06 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:51:22 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Replying to myself is evil, but I'm going to try to clarify a bit > more. GLEPs are more like RFCs. We can't force any application to do > anything with a GLEP. We technically can't even force Portage to do > anything i

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP56] USE flag descriptions in metadata

2008-06-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:01:00 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marius Mauch wrote: > > On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:42:24 -0400 > > Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> All, > >> > >> Here's a G

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP56] USE flag descriptions in metadata

2008-06-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:42:24 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > Here's a GLEP for the addition of USE flag descriptions to package > metadata. It does not address any future ideas that others may have > had or suggested. It merely gives developers the necessary "tools" to

Re: [gentoo-dev] merging two packages - upgrade path?

2008-06-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:44:06 +0200 Ulrich Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Matthias Schwarzott wrote: > > >> With #1 the user will get a message about the blockers immediately. > >> With #2 his emerge (maybe of many packages) will needlessly die > >> when it reaches y

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 31 May 2008 04:26:39 -0700 "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to jump in quickly; this thread is about adding --as-needed to > the default CFLAGS. To get this accomplished you need to: > > A. Convince the portage developers to put it in > make.conf/make.defaults. Wrong. W

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-30 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 31 May 2008 00:47:44 +0300 Mart Raudsepp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Portage developers - is there anything we should do to get --as-needed > to make.conf.example and other places, beyond fixing the known bugs on > the appropriate bug tracker? make.conf.example is no big deal, that's jus

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?

2008-05-29 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 29 May 2008 11:02:55 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote: > Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > As much as we want preserve-libs to be an all-curing magic, it's > not. When you need to replace a library you need to do so

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?

2008-05-29 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:28:16 +0100 Mike Auty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Marius Mauch wrote: > | The purpose of this is to keep the system operational after library > | upgrades until all affected packages could be reb

[gentoo-dev] RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?

2008-05-28 Thread Marius Mauch
As portage-2.2 is about to be unmasked into ~arch soon (there is one weird bug to solve before) it's time to ask for some input on one of the important new features, FEATURES=preserve-libs. (if you're already familiar with it you can skip this paragraph) Simply said, when this feature is enabled p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: About herds and their non-existant use

2008-05-23 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 23 May 2008 14:07:41 +0200 Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Santiago M. Mola wrote: > > > On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Tiziano Müller > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: > >>> While we're changing things around, perhaps we can then also > >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About herds and their non-existant use

2008-05-23 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 22 May 2008 08:05:07 +0200 Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While I think the herds concecpt is somewhat useless, I'd rather like > to see something like this instead: > > > foobar > > > This makes it clear that it is a team instead of a person (where > would have been us

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] About herds and their non-existant use

2008-05-21 Thread Marius Mauch
Moving the discussion to -dev per leios request. On Wed, 21 May 2008 23:42:19 +0200 Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As this topic jus came up in #-dev, and most people there seemed to > agree with me I thought it might be worth to bring this topic up > again. The topic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving some packages around

2008-05-11 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:58:55 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote: > - bison and flex should get out of the system package set, what > clearer than moving them out of sys-*? "system" and the sys-* categories don't have much of a relationsship, so that's no argument IMO. > Ye

Re: [gentoo-dev] escaping variables in sed expressions

2008-04-15 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:17:54 +0200 Frank Gruellich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Santiago M. Mola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 15. Apr 08: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Marijn Schouten (hkBst) > > Currently is use ':' as sed delimiter when paths are involved. I'd > > also like to hear from you abou

[gentoo-dev] changes to staffing-needs page and project pages

2008-04-02 Thread Marius Mauch
Since a few weeks ago project pages can contain a new section to list open positions within the project that require fresh blood (thanks to neysx for implementing this). Historically those were only listed centrally http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/staffing-needs/index.xml, which had a number

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: New build types

2008-03-19 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:59:01 + Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rémi Cardona wrote: > > > What would be the point of such a change? What problem are you > > trying to solve or to improve? > > > Secondly efficiency; in the case of a pbuild it could be run from > within the PM; for somet

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Remaining PMS todo list etc

2008-03-19 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:32:41 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > There's an updated, pre-built copy of current PMS at: > > > > http://dev.gentoo.org/~spb/pms.pdf > > Thanks for keeping up with this. > > > * 174335: Some ebuild use FEATURES. Can we get the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March

2008-03-07 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:02:09 + Sébastien Fabbro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have contacted some talented ebuild submitters who neither want to > spend the time nor feel the responsibility of a full dev. Maybe we should try to solve that problem instead of making our hierarchy even more com

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for (next year's probably) SoC

2008-03-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:07:37 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote: > The tasks are minor tasks that don't require a lot of time at hand, > but gives a good way to judge if the person is in for the experience > or the money, and might be able to cut the deal even for Gentoo dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March

2008-03-05 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:41:58 +0530 Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole > > Gentoo dev list to see. > > If it's not too late for this month's m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Google SOC 2008

2008-02-28 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:32:45 -0800 joshua jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > Google is once again doing the summer of code for students. I'm > helping organize it this year and am putting out a call for some > elements to help. > > 1) We need idea's for things to do. Diego has already

Re: [gentoo-dev] Keyword amd64 -> x86_64

2008-02-21 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:40:23 +0100 Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 20-02-2008 19:23:26 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:59:11 -0500 > > "William L. Thomson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Please e

Re: [gentoo-dev] Keyword amd64 -> x86_64

2008-02-20 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:59:11 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please excuse my ignorance if this is a naive comment or has been > brought up before. With all the non amd processors now with 64bit > support. amd64 as a keyword seems a bit odd and off maybe. > > What's th

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: adding support for running eautoconf to base.eclass

2008-02-13 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:44:22 +0200 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you think about adding support to base.eclass for running > eautoreconf? > > so instead of > > src_unpack() { > unpack ${A} > cd "${A}" > eautoreconf > } > > would just add > > EAUTORECONF="

Re: [gentoo-dev] new portage categories

2008-02-07 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:56:43 -0800 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15:12 Wed 06 Feb , Alec Warner wrote: > > On 2/4/08, Jonas Bernoulli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 2/4/08, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 20:11 Mon 04 Feb , Jonas Bernoulli wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Changes to some profiles

2008-02-02 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:50:21 +0100 Rémi Cardona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vlastimil Babka a écrit : > > How about just some elog "If you use make install, emerge > > --noreplace debianutils" in the kernel's postinst or something. > > Bellow is my contribution to this thread :) > > Cheers, >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Move SCMs to their own category?

2008-02-01 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:57:39 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:52:16 -0500 (EST) > "Caleb Tennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It seems like all source control/revision control programs live in > > dev-util, but they might be better served in something like

Re: [gentoo-dev] debianutils: system worthy ?

2008-01-28 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:43:38 +0100 "Matthias B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's wrong with making it an optional dependency? Something like a > useflag Because if this would be done consistently we'd end up with several thousand use flags long term, not really what I'd call managable. Unfor

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to force homedir on enewuser

2008-01-18 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:46:58 +0100 "Hanno Böck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the correct way to handle this? I'd suggest that enewuser might get > some "force"-parameter that tells it to delete and recreate the user if it > already exists. Thoughts? Tell the user to do it manually in pk

Re: [gentoo-dev] Seeking questions for a user survey

2008-01-16 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:09:20 +0100 "Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008-01-15 15:05 Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał(a): > > - what feature would you like most to be implemented in portage? > > (parallel builds, loc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Seeking questions for a user survey

2008-01-15 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:33:48 -0800 "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, so per the one discussion in #-dev this evening, I'm looking for > questions to put on a new user survey. > > For style of questions, multiple choice (both pick-one and pick-many) or > simple integers would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Marius Mauch
About portage: Current status: The portage project is mostly fine, though we've missed my original plan to release the first 2.2 test versions last year, mostly because of lack of time on my part. I hope we can fix that within the next two or three months. As Paul has already mentioned, the tools-

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-10 Thread Marius Mauch
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:42:57 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote: > I already ranted about the fact that the dependency tree of our > ebuilds is vastly incomplete, as many lack dependency on zlib; trying > to get this fixed was impossible, as Donnie and other insisted that >

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flag documentation

2007-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:55:10 +0100 "Denis Dupeyron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 31, 2007 3:30 PM, Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What benefit does use.xml have over use.desc? > [...] > > No need to change the format of use.desc >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI) [2]

2007-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:40:57 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:33:51 +0100 > Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - silently expands the scope of EAPI beyond ebuild contents (which is > > a blocker for me) > > T

Re: EAPI definition Was: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:09:33 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:46:06 +0100 > Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The issue is with comparison rules. For the current use case that's > > not an issue as it's sim

Re: EAPI definition Was: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:03:12 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:26:27 +0100 > Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Marius Mauch wrote: > > > Nope. EAPI (from my POV) defines the API that a package manager has > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI definition Was: [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:34:44 + (UTC) Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I understand the ban on non-EAPI-0 features in in-tree profiles, since > users could be using old PMs, but it's fine using them in /etc/portage/*, > provided one has upgraded to an appropriately compatible PM, correct?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI inside ebuild filename (.EAPI-ebuild of different?)

2007-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:50:02 +0300 Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This hack is just to solve portage problem which does not ignore .ebuild > files which does not follow pkg-ver.ebuild syntax and suggested solution > is not the only solution. Other possibilities are, which I like more: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI) [2]

2007-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:43:10 +0100 Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I have updated the GLEP, hopefully it is less confusing now and hence the > discussion > will be more technical. Still doesn't address my concerns, namely: - silently expands the scope of EAPI beyond e

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Eclasses (Was: Re: Re: [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI) [2])

2007-12-27 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:21:06 + Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see what's wrong with EAPI (if set, otherwise implicitly whatever > the ebuild sets, or 0 if not set there) only applying to the file it's > declared in. Because that doesn't work at all, see http://article.gmane.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some new global USE-flags

2007-12-27 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:58:39 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:57:12 +0100 > Markus Meier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > server12 > > See previous discussions on why this can't be global (essentially, it > has different meanings for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-27 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:55:06 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Stuck ranges into metadata.xml for which EAPIs applied? > > > > > > No package manager required information can be in XML format. > > > > Says who? Us. We can change that, if we decide it's the best answer. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-27 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:22:22 +0100 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm thinking about having them embedded in the comment as first line as > something like > > #!/usr/bin/env emerge --eapi $foo Unfortunately the "emerge --eapi $foo" part would be passed as a single argument to /usr/bi

Re: EAPI definition Was: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-27 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:10:13 +0100 Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, that seems a fine definition of what an eapi is. Everybody agrees on it? Nope. EAPI (from my POV) defines the API that a package manager has to export to an ebuild/eclass. That includes syntax and semantics of expor

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-19 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:07:22 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:45:01 +0100 > Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is one significant problem not covered in the GLEP: If a > > package contains an ebuild with

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-18 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:20:01 +0100 Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > attaching the GLEP. > > most current version: > http://dev.gentoo.org/~peper/glep-0055.html > http://dev.gentoo.org/~peper/glep-0055.txt There is one significant problem not covered in the GLEP: If a pa

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