Radoslaw Skorupka writes:
>Here, in Poland, majority of (small) datacenters run Adabas & Natural
>application. Very old applications, stable - no enhancements are done.
>They're trying to get rid of CICS in place of Com-plete, or AMshell
>(polish software). Everything to be qualified for z/OS.e lic
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/16/2007
at 12:03 AM, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>you mean from this prior/similar exchange nearly a year ago
>http:/www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#57 PDS Directory Question
Actually, I was hoping that either you had access to old IBM documents
On 15 Jan 2007 04:01:41 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy
Sipples) wrote:
>*IBM* software pricing "per MIP" keeps declining, taking all factors into
>account and for the *typical* environment.
But businesses don't directly consume MIPs. They consume processed
data. This makes it more diffi
zPCR and SOFTCAP are IBM tools to help you understand for a given
workload expectations for changing hardware and software. Have you
tried those tools?
http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS268
http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS1381
If you
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
But "The Company Line" is probably the last thing we
want to hear, whether it's right or wrong
I agree.
Especially when it doesn't match reality.
We are NOT paying less!
We are NOT exploiting JAVA/WebSphere on the mainframe.
We do NOT have any workloads that can exploit NAlc
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Ditto here, Robert!
We have only z9s
We have zIIPs
We have zAAP
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. writes:
There was at least one retraction and redesign prior to that. Search
for MPS and VMS.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#45 Is anyone still running
you mean from this prior/similar exchange nearly a year ago
http:/www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#57
ry 15, 2007 7:02 PM
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Robert Justice wrote:
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>But "The Company Line" is proba
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From: "Ted MacNEIL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>But "The Company Line" is probably the last thing
>But "The Company Line" is probably the last thing we
want to hear, whether it's right or wrong
I agree.
Especially when it doesn't match reality.
We are NOT paying less!
We are NOT exploiting JAVA/WebSphere on the mainframe.
We do NOT have any workloads that can exploit NAlc, as I understand th
Shane wrote:
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Seems that it's been "put sh1t on Timothy" time of late.
No doubt plenty have been rubbed the wrong way by Timothy spouting the
company line. Especially those of us that have customers deserting the
platform.
But he does offer a di
You set a worthy challenge, but I'm not allowed to use real names unless
I have explicit permission. However, since you asked, I believe one of
the two largest Linux installations is Nomura Securities, and I can say
that because Nomura spoke
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/14/2007
at 03:05 PM, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I don't remember MVT option becoming available until release 12
There was at least one retraction and redesign prior to that. Search
for MPS and VMS.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg a
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:00:58 -0400, Clark Morris wrote:
>My view of it is that the software charge per MIP/MSU/latest
>measurement unit should follow the same trend as the Windows cost per
>megahertz. Software legitimately (added security and error checking)
>takes more system resource for the sa
Clark Morris writes:
>My view of it is that the software charge per MIP/MSU/latest
>measurement unit should follow the same trend as the Windows cost per
>megahertz.
*IBM* software pricing "per MIP" keeps declining, taking all factors into
account and for the *typical* environment. (See a previou
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 16:01 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote:
> I do live in Tokyo, and there aren't a super abundance of people on
> IBM-MAIN who do, so I said what I could in response to the original
> question(s).
Seems that it's been "put sh1t on Timothy" time of late.
No doubt plenty have been r
Rick Fochtman writes:
>...unless you want to use real names
>and real measurably values on a technical email list.
First of all, I'm not a marketing person. I wouldn't be very good at it
anyway.
You set a worthy challenge, but I'm not allowed to use real names unless I
have explicit permission.
On 14 Jan 2007 12:11:00 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
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Robert,
I couldn't have said it better myself! I do not understand how
management these days can tolerate the downtime of applications on these
platforms. I must assume they are not revenue-generating or the
stockholders should complain!
I took the time to look at my mainframe *IBM* software cost
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote:
MFT and MVT were contemporaneous. In fact, a lot of the code in MFT
came from MVT.
as undergraudate, i gen'ed OS/360 releases 9.5 and 11 and 14 as "MFT" (along
with installing HASP).
I don't remember MVT option becoming available until release 12 ... and I don'
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/11/2007
at 02:49 PM, "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I know systems quite recently upgraded from OS/390 V1R? to z/OS and
>...MFT (pre-MVS) system with original 3380 disks.
MFT and MVT were contemporaneous. In fact, a lot of the code in MFT
came from MVT.
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On 14 Jan 2007 06:14:37 -0800, in bit.lists
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>Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
>Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:44 PM
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>
>>Re: DB2 prices, by the wa
--
These words :
"more expensive"
"cutting edge customers"
"have lots of"
"Of course there's plenty"
"are bought as quickly as anywhere."
"Linux adoption has been incredible"
"I believe the two largest "
Note: These words are all "Marketing BS" that you s
: Re: Is anyone still running..
Mis-attributed.
My quote starts at 'Timothy! Timothy'!
I stateds the same thing as you did!
.
Questions?
Concerns?
(Screems of Outrage?)
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hards
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>Re: DB2 prices, by the way, what you describe
exactly.
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Ted,
Just because *you* aren't seeing them doe
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
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>Re: DB2 prices, by the way, what you describe isn't necessarily so
either. VWLC means a lot of DB2 customers ha
These words :
"more expensive"
"cutting edge customers"
"have lots of"
"Of course there's plenty"
"are bought as quickly as anywhere."
"Linux adoption has been incredible"
"I believe the two largest "
Note: These words are all "Marketing BS" that you send into "mostly the
USA" from Asia.. Jo
>Re: DB2 prices, by the way, what you describe isn't necessarily so either.
>VWLC means a lot of DB2 customers have seen their monthly license charges
decrease (around about Version 7 for most shops I think, depending on when
their last OS/390 LPAR disappeared and when they cut the first SCRT
rep
Re: DB2 prices, by the way, what you describe isn't necessarily so either.
VWLC means a lot of DB2 customers have seen their monthly license charges
decrease (around about Version 7 for most shops I think, depending on when
their last OS/390 LPAR disappeared and when they cut the first SCRT
repor
Timothy,
I wish your statements were true, but IMHO they're not.
1. Does it really save any cost to switch from OS/390 to z/OS ?
I assume other factors unchanged - CPC, workload, memory, etc.
2. How can I justify cost increase for new versions of DB2 and CICS?
DB2 is even SLOWER, but costs more.
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:44:56 +0900, Timothy Sipples
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The zIIP technology is another reason you might see a decrease in
>DB2 MLC starting with Version 8. Still yet another reason (for all IBM
>software and most other software) is that the MSU basing changes from model
>to
On Jan 13, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote:
Yes, there are still some shops in Japan running OS/390. It's more
expensive to do that than it is to run z/OS, so it's changing at a
good
pace.
SNIP--
Timothy,
Is one of the reasons Japan is be
Yes, there are still some shops in Japan running OS/390. It's more
expensive to do that than it is to run z/OS, so it's changing at a good
pace.
There are myriad reasons why that is so, as anyone who knows Japan knows.
Some of those reasons are changing now. It's not a phenomenon unique to
the ma
Tom Moulder writes:
>I first made an assumption that like all software from IBM new versions
>would have an increased MLC. This has been true for DB2 for as long as I
>can remember. However, my initial checking seems to indicate that moving
>from OS/390 V2 to z/OS V1 could possibly result in decr
WALK for a bit, you'll feel better.
Tom Moulder
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YES, and am I tired ...
Chris Hoelscher
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Tom Moulder wrote:
>
Tom Moulder wrote:
I am curious, since IBM has announced EOM for OS/390 -- any version -- how
you ordered the operating system for the 890 you plan to install? If you
have 2.4 can you then order the upgrade to 2.10? Is it an upgrade or a
fresh install? If it is not an upgrade, you might be bet
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:11:36 +1000, Shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 14:41 -0600, Dave Kopischke wrote:
>
>> I thought the highest you can go on z/OS is 1.4 on a non-64-bit machine ???
>
Often confused because 1.4 was the highest version that Bimodal
Accommodation was avail
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 14:41 -0600, Dave Kopischke wrote:
> I thought the highest you can go on z/OS is 1.4 on a non-64-bit machine ???
1.5.
I have it on an MP3K still idling away in the office - no DB2 V8, so
no-one's interested in it any more.
Shane ...
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:44:00 -0700, Daver! wrote:
>>I am preparing for the
>> >>installation of a z890 with an implementation of OS390 V2R10 in about
4-6
>> >>months.
>> >
>> >With that great a gap, if you aren't reusing DASD, why not just go for
>> >current z/OS and do some testing?
>>
>>
>> Can
> From: Dave Kopischke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, January 11, 2007 3:41 pm
>
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:03:59 -0400, Clark Morris wrote:
>
> >On 11 Jan 2007 10:07:57 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
> >
> >>Here at the City of Portland in Oregon, USA we have OS/390 V2R4 in
> >>produ
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:03:59 -0400, Clark Morris wrote:
>On 11 Jan 2007 10:07:57 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>
>>Here at the City of Portland in Oregon, USA we have OS/390 V2R4 in
>>production on a Multiprise 2003-125 (G3) processor. I am preparing for
the
>>installation of a z890
On 11 Jan 2007 10:07:57 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>Here at the City of Portland in Oregon, USA we have OS/390 V2R4 in
>production on a Multiprise 2003-125 (G3) processor. I am preparing for the
>installation of a z890 with an implementation of OS390 V2R10 in about 4-6
>months.
Wi
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Here at the City of Portland in Oregon, USA we have OS/390 V2R4 in
production on a Multiprise 2003-125 (G3
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Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members were
aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or
I wonder if they have three letters in the alphabet.
T
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Tom Moulder
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> -Original Message-
>
> Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members
> were
> aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or
> still running on G5/G6 processors. Nice to hear all comments but mainly
> interested in the financial sector.
, 2007 8:49 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:28:42 +1000, Shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 17:43 +1100, Stephen Mednick wrote:
>
>> Happen to know of a couple of banks in The Ph
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:28:42 +1000, Shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 17:43 +1100, Stephen Mednick wrote:
>
>> Happen to know of a couple of banks in The Philippines still on OS/390 V2.10.
>> There may be others in Asia/Pacific.
>
>You never know, there might even be a couple
Steve O'Connell wrote:
Maybe closer to home, and this is hearsay only I'm afraid, but I had a
discussion at the end of last year, on another (non-IT) bulletin board,
with a chap who works in Spain.
He said he worked on OS/390 and when I queried this and pointed out the
EOS fo 2.10 he was adama
Maybe closer to home, and this is hearsay only I'm afraid, but I had a
discussion at the end of last year, on another (non-IT) bulletin board,
with a chap who works in Spain.
He said he worked on OS/390 and when I queried this and pointed out the
EOS fo 2.10 he was adamant that 1 or more Spanis
Perhaps the poor fellow is fishing for business...
On Thu, January 11, 2007 10:28, Shane wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 17:43 +1100, Stephen Mednick wrote:
>
>
>> Happen to know of a couple of banks in The Philippines still on OS/390
>> V2.10.
>> There may be others in Asia/Pacific.
>>
>
> You ne
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 17:43 +1100, Stephen Mednick wrote:
> Happen to know of a couple of banks in The Philippines still on OS/390 V2.10.
> There may be others in Asia/Pacific.
You never know, there might even be a couple in somewhere like China ...
I keep hearing rumours that Japan has boatload
AIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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james smith wrote:
> Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members
> were
> aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or
> still running on G5/G6 processors.
james smith wrote:
Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members were
aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or
still running on G5/G6 processors. Nice to hear all comments but mainly
interested in the financial sector.
Regards
James F.
james smith wrote:
Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members
were
aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or
still running on G5/G6 processors. Nice to hear all comments but mainly
interested in the financial sector.
Is it something sp
Of james smith
> Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2007 4:55 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Is anyone still running..
>
> Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any
> list members were aware of any financial organization(s)
> still run
Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members were
aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or
still running on G5/G6 processors. Nice to hear all comments but mainly
interested in the financial sector.
Regards
James F. Smith
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