[LUTE] Re: Flying theorbo

2007-06-26 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear David, Thanks for sharing this - it's fantastic! Martin David Van Edwards wrote: >Dear All, > >I apologise for the blatant advertising but some of you may be >interested in seeing the "folding" theorbo I have recently made for >Lynda Sayce, which is desig

[LUTE] Re: Flying theorbo

2007-06-26 Thread LGS-Europe
fifth and seventh 'fret' positions, a very convenient visual aid, as a shamisen doesn't have frets. Just likes David van Edwards' foldable theorbo, the strings are kept at bridge and pegs for greater convenience and longevity. David - Original Message - From: "D

[LUTE] Re: Flying theorbo

2007-06-26 Thread LGS-Europe
Well done! But scary pics as well ... Martin de Witte, lute maker from the Netherlands, has made something similar for an ex-student of mine, Hank Heijink, some years ago. He flies with it around the world. And years before that Toyohiko used to have a theorbo that didn't fit into his spor

[LUTE] Re: Flying theorbo

2007-06-26 Thread Arthur Ness
Dear David, Now will your next theorbo be made out of mylar? We had that wonderful exhibition of 129 guitars at the Museum of Fine Arts here in Boston. 140,000 people saw the exhibition. You've probably seen the book based on it, "Dangerous Curves, " by Darcie Kuronen, the

[LUTE] Flying theorbo

2007-06-26 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear All, I apologise for the blatant advertising but some of you may be interested in seeing the "folding" theorbo I have recently made for Lynda Sayce, which is designed to pack up small enough to fit into a standard airline seat. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/40a.htm This has b

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of the unhistorical theorbo

2007-06-19 Thread chriswilke
Diego and all, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Anyway, most of the survived instruments (and also > my theorbo) can mount > double strings. > From this I can assume that we all play > unhistorically single mounted > theorbos... Actually, there's quite clear iconog

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of the unhistorical theorbo

2007-06-19 Thread David Van Edwards
At 14:16 +0200 19/6/07, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >My theorbo (copy of an original by Matteo Sellas) is 80/161. The size is >quite usual in historical instruments. > > >Diego Cantalupi > Dear Diego, Which Sellas original is it copied from? I can't find any of

[LUTE] The mystery of the unhistorical theorbo

2007-06-19 Thread tiorba
My theorbo (copy of an original by Matteo Sellas) is 80/161. The size is quite usual in historical instruments. I can't imagine playing Castaldi or Kapsberger on a 95 cm instrument... Also I can't imagine to have an instrument for any single pitch ! My instrument is stringed with plain

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of "theorbo"

2007-06-19 Thread Arto Wikla
Ciao all, > Regarding the 'historical evidence', we mus suppose an alternative > tuning, not only for Meli, but also for Pittoni. So, as far I understand, the tuning of Melij and Pittoni still today is a mystery... :-) All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at h

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of "theorbo": some physics

2007-06-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Like all lutes, theorboes were pitched according to size so as to get the best sound from the lowest fingered plain gut strings (usually 6th course on theorboes) whilst remaining within the working stress of the highest course (usually 3rd). Accordingly your small theorbo (if existing then

[LUTE] The mystery of "theorbo": some physics

2007-06-19 Thread tiorba
"Martyn Hodgson" wrote: [...] if we use a proper size instrument (ie not an implausible 'toy' theorbo), against the laws of physics. Let's assume a string lenght of 80 cm. It's not a toy, but a theorbo usable for solo music (i.e. the Mantuan 18 courses instrum

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of "theorbo" pieces by Melij?

2007-06-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
The tuning of the tiorba for M's music was discussed at length some time ago - you'll find it in the archives. Despite some wishful thinking, there's no historical evidence for octave stringing on the 2nd and, if we use a proper size instrument (ie not an implausible

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of "theorbo" pieces by Melij?

2007-06-18 Thread Howard Posner
On Monday, Jun 18, 2007, at 17:21 America/Los_Angeles, Mathias Rösel wrote: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> >> Any recent research? > > One suggestion I heard of is that both fundamental and and octave > strings are required for the 1st and 2nd courses. Not so recent any more, but Andrea Damia

[LUTE] Re: The mystery of "theorbo" pieces by Melij?

2007-06-18 Thread Mathias Rösel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > what might be the current opinion of the pieces "Per la Tiorba" in the > Libro Quinto of P.P. Melli? Just played them through by theorbo and by > archlute: > Both are problematic, but I think archlute has less problems! > > Any

[LUTE] The mystery of "theorbo" pieces by Melij?

2007-06-18 Thread wikla
Dear lutenists, what might be the current opinion of the pieces "Per la Tiorba" in the Libro Quinto of P.P. Melli? Just played them through by theorbo and by archlute: Both are problematic, but I think archlute has less problems! Any recent research? All the best, Arto To get

[LUTE] Re: Holborne, was Theorbo tutor

2007-05-21 Thread Stephan Olbertz
uot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 4:54 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Holborne, was Theorbo tutor > > > > By looking through the Utorpheus pages I noticed that they have a > > brand new Holborne edition available. Can anyone imagine why this > >

[LUTE] Re: Holborne, was Theorbo tutor

2007-05-20 Thread Stephan Olbertz
May 2007 um 14:41 hat Bernd Haegemann geschrieben: > > Players: Luciano Còntini, Francesca Torelli > > When I had a look at Signora Torellis homepage > > http://www.francescatorelli.com/ > > I found out that > she brought out just now a theorbo tutor. Perhaps of intere

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-05 Thread chriswilke
Ed, Wow, thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it. And wha timing - I need to mention one important thing in conjunction with this album, however. "Charles Hurel: Works for Theorbo; Christopher Wilke, theorbo," formerly a self-release with a different title, is now availab

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-05 Thread chriswilke
d > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Nigel Solomon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute > Net" > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:36 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: theorbo > > > > Nigel, > > >

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-05 Thread LGS-Europe
TED]>; "Lute Net" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:36 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: theorbo > Nigel, > > > I'm going to leave the "virtually the same > instrument" part out of the question for the moment. > The whole debate over double vs. single string

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-04 Thread David Rastall
On May 4, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Howard Posner wrote: > You might easily get the impression from recent threads that sometime > in the third week of June 1601 lute players all abandoned thumb-in and > started playing thumb-out. Hi Howard. Actually, it was the fourth week. > My impression (gathered

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-04 Thread Mathias Rösel
etween playing solo or continuo. Someone as late as Weiss mentioned it when he wrote to Mattheson that the theorbo and arciliuto are played with nails, while the lute was played with the fingertips. As for Mr de Visee's playing thorough bass, I simply don't know evidence of which way he used

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-04 Thread Shaun Ng
- mostly point towards a lower pitch, i.e. a darker sound. I am sure players who own both a large Italian and smaller continuo French theorbo will notice this difference with their thicker strings and shorter string lengths on their French instruments. Jorge can argue his point, but there is

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's theorbo AND TIORBA NOTATION

2007-05-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
at an edition Bartolloti's theorbo music has been published by the French Lute Society but in this it seems that these figures have been either edited out or misinterpreted (as in (a) below) without comment.. Martyn Hodgson Martyn Hodgson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-03 Thread Edward Martin
I am glad you mentioned Hurel, Chris. I want to say that your theorbo CD of Hurel is excellent, and I encourage those on this list without a copy can get it from the Lute Society of America. It is a welcome edition to recorded theorbo CD's! Well done! ed At 02:36 PM 5/3/2007 -0700, [

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-03 Thread chriswilke
staldi, Pittoni, Hurel and de Visee. What I do is basically thumb-over using thumb-index-middle maybe 75-80% of the time. The re-entrant tuning of the theorbo means that I use the ring finger more frequently on theorbo than, say, baroque lute. We know that Kapsberger did not use the right hand

[LUTE] Re: theorbo

2007-05-03 Thread Mathias Rösel
> Does this mean we should not > use the same right hand technique to play the theorbo (chitaronne) > pieces by Piccinini as for De Viséé over a century later, If Piccinini died in 1639 and Visee flourished around 1700, there are some 60 years between them. Piccinini tells his reade

[LUTE] F1 and theorbo... ;-)

2007-04-09 Thread Arto Wikla
! ;) (500/2.5 = 200) And it is much more common to play the theorbo! ;)) Arto -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Donatella Galletti
Roman was asking to set proportional spacing. Tomorrow , "per gli esteti" ( it's night here) Donatella - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: P

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Sorry, private message went to the list... RT - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" ; "Donatella Galletti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Passacagli

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Prima di stampare il PDF avresti dovuto cliccare il spacing proporzionale. Senza di questo sara' un casino visuale... r - Original Message - From: "Donatella Galletti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:13 PM Subject:

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Donatella Galletti
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo > On Sunday 25 February 2007 18:13, you wrote: >> On occasion of her 305th birthday, Alessia Aldobrandini gave me a new >> piece, "passacaglia per tiorba". Tab and midi on >> &

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
> On Sunday 25 February 2007 18:13, you wrote: >> On occasion of her 305th birthday, Alessia Aldobrandini gave me a new >> piece, "passacaglia per tiorba". Tab and midi on >> >> http://www.webalice.it/dg3011/index.htm >> >> enjoy! >> >> ( A version for baroque lute will follow) > and perhaps the y

[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo

2007-02-25 Thread Taco Walstra
On Sunday 25 February 2007 18:13, you wrote: > On occasion of her 305th birthday, Alessia Aldobrandini gave me a new > piece, "passacaglia per tiorba". Tab and midi on > > http://www.webalice.it/dg3011/index.htm > > enjoy! > > ( A version for baroque lute will follow) and perhaps the youtube versi

[LUTE] Re: Rivera's Bach for theorbo

2007-02-19 Thread LGS-Europe
is list, > but I'm a recent member, lute, theorbo and (early) guitar player from > Amsterdam. I have been following all the recent discussions with great > interest! > > Greetings from Amsterdam, Jelma van Amersfoort > > > > On 2/18/07, LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTE

[LUTE] Re: Rivera's Bach for theorbo

2007-02-18 Thread Jelma van Amersfoort
this list, but I'm a recent member, lute, theorbo and (early) guitar player from Amsterdam. I have been following all the recent discussions with great interest! Greetings from Amsterdam, Jelma van Amersfoort On 2/18/07, LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are Juan Carlos R

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-18 Thread Juan Fco. Prieto
AIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi, > > can anybody recommend a nice recording of the theorbo pieces from > Robert de Visee (Saizenay Ms.)? > > After a quik search it looks like the few recordings that seem to exist > are > no longer available. > > Thanks, > >

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jan 18, 2007, at 1:12 AM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: > I think you mean Yasunori Imamura (at least that's how it's > Anglicized on > his Capriccio release). Of course I did. Stupid fingers! Just like my lute playing. > I really like that disc, especially Imamura's > interpretation of the cha

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 07:13 AM 1/17/2007, Ed Durbrow wrote: >On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:51 PM, Benjamin Stehr wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > can anybody recommend a nice recording of the theorbo pieces from > > Robert de Visée (Saizenay Ms.)? > >Not sure if all or any of the pieces come

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread David Rastall
I saw that on Amazon. That price is totally crazy!! Presumably it's out of print...? David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com On Jan 17, 2007, at 5:55 AM, Benjamin Stehr wrote: > Hi, > >> http://www.amazon.com/Visee-Pieces-Theorbe- > Robert/dp/B017LN/sr=1-2/qid=1169030127/ref=sr_

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:51 PM, Benjamin Stehr wrote: > Hi, > > can anybody recommend a nice recording of the theorbo pieces from > Robert de Visée (Saizenay Ms.)? Not sure if all or any of the pieces come from the Saizenay MS, but you would have a hard time to do better than the

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Roman Turovsky
There is one in print, with Vincent Dumestre. RT - Original Message - From: "Benjamin Stehr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 5:04 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms > Hi, &g

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Benjamin Stehr
Hi, > http://www.amazon.com/Visee-Pieces-Theorbe- Robert/dp/B017LN/sr=1-2/qid=1169030127/ref=sr_1_2/105- 6836316-2654830?ie=UTF8&s=music Thanks for the link! I will try to find it on one of the other stores 90 USD or 81 pounds on amazon.co.uk - crazy... Benjamin > > It is an old Hopkinson

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Luca Manassero
Hi, try this one on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Visee-Pieces-Theorbe-Robert/dp/B017LN/sr=1-2/qid=1169030127/ref=sr_1_2/105-6836316-2654830?ie=UTF8&s=music It is an old Hopkinson Smith recording, but it's still valid in my opinion. Luca Benjamin Stehr on 17-01-2007 11:04 wrote: > Hi,

[LUTE] Re: Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Benjamin Stehr
Hi, > I like the Jose Miguel Moreno plays of Robert de Visée. Yes, i listened to it on amazon, but that seems to be one of those which are no longer available :-) Benjamin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Recordings of theorbo pieces from Saizenay Ms

2007-01-17 Thread Benjamin Stehr
Hi, can anybody recommend a nice recording of the theorbo pieces from Robert de Visée (Saizenay Ms.)? After a quik search it looks like the few recordings that seem to exist are no longer available. Thanks, Benjamin To get on or off this list see list information at http

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Sign in Theorbo ms.

2006-10-29 Thread Mathias Rösel
Dear Collected Wisdom, some pieces of the Goess theorbo ms. bear a sign which resembles a quaver break in modern staff notation. At first glance, I often misinterpreted it as a cross, but it isn't a cross. More often than not, it appears with dotted notes. Is it a break (short taking of b

[LUTE] Re: Lully's Marche now also for theorbo! Very re-entrant! ;-)

2006-10-18 Thread Howard Posner
On Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006, at 13:21 America/Los_Angeles, Stewart McCoy wrote: > A transcription involves copying music from one notation > note-for-note to another, for example, re-writing lute tablature as > staff notation. For the most part, it is a mechanical job, because > the notes stay the

[LUTE] Lully's Marche now also for theorbo! Very re-entrant! ;-)

2006-10-18 Thread Stewart McCoy
ampanella effects on the theorbo, or omitting notes which go too high, you could call it an arrangement, but I think I would stick to the word intabulation. I hope that helps. All the best, Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: "Arto Wikla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sen

[LUTE] Re: Lully's Marche now also for theorbo! Very re-entrant! ;-)

2006-10-18 Thread Arto Wikla
Hi Roman and all, On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Roman Turovsky wrote: > A 11-13course version is at > http://polyhymnion.org/swv/opus-2.html Roman, you were very fast, indeed! May I put a link to my Lully/Marche page? Or perhaps put even a copy directly to my directory? (with a link to polyhymnion, of c

[LUTE] Lully's Marche now also for theorbo! Very re-entrant! ;-)

2006-10-18 Thread Arto Wikla
Dear fellow lutenists, at last I had time to make also a theorbo version of the wonderful "Marche pour la Ceremonie des Turcs" composed by Lully! Actually it works quite well on the instrument. :-) My theorbo transcription uses lots and LOTS of the campanella effect that is made p

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-15 Thread Mathias Rösel
> Note that the highest sounding string of the theorbo (e') > is the _third_ string, not the "top" string (d') which > is really a second lower. This cooresponds exactly to > the highest string of the angelique (also e'). > Placement on the instrument

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-10 Thread chriswilke
--- "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > As for this initial question, we've now reached the > point where the > _tessiture_ are compared: e'-C (angelique) vs. d'-C > (lesser, or French, > theorbo). No, as I mentioned in my last message, th

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-10 Thread Mathias Rösel
> If you say, however, angeliques are compound > instruments, consisting of lute bodies, theorboed > necks, and harp tunings, I should NOT dissent, that is. -- Best, Mathias -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-09 Thread chriswilke
nstruments have changed but little since their invention. Things like material, keys, valves, frets, "accidents" of design, merely represent technological modifications of an initial idea (the "invention") that often stretched back somewhere in pre-history. >The angelique

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-09 Thread Mathias Rösel
>>> We must be very careful! There exist an Angelique in Paris (E. >>> 980.2.317, see the new catalogue p. 94) with a neck (not a swan >>> neck, >>> but also not a true theorbo neck - it's something between) who is >>> known from French iconogra

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread chriswilke
e angelique come from? Is it not reasonable to propose that the angelique came about by modifying existing theorbos, specifically the French solo theorbo? As you say above, the surviving examples are "small, single-strung." This sounds more like a solo theorbo than a lute. Since doubled-hea

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread Mathias Rösel
ng angeliques aren't converted theorbos. That much can safely be said. > > We must be very careful! There exist an Angelique in Paris (E. > > 980.2.317, see the new catalogue p. 94) with a neck (not a swan neck, > > but also not a true theorbo neck - it's something between) w

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread Nancy Carlin
D]> >To: " Mathias R=F6sel " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: "Lutelist" >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 1:46 PM >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question) > > > > Hello > > > > We must be very careful! There exist an Ange

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
Message - From: "Andreas Schlegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: " Mathias Rösel " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question) > Hello > > We must be

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread Andreas Schlegel
Hello We must be very careful! There exist an Angelique in Paris (E. 980.2.317, see the new catalogue p. 94) with a neck (not a swan neck, but also not a true theorbo neck - it's something between) who is known from French iconographic sources from 1660-80. I know a Tielke lute from 16

[LUTE] Re: Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-08 Thread Mathias Rösel
>> Swan-necks on angeliques predate the >> purported/alleged "invention" by some >> 50 years. > > The oldest two out of those four angeliques in Schwerin date from 1704 > > (both made by Tielke). One angelique in Munich is a former lute, dated > > from 1633. (According to Pohlmann 1982, p. 596-7)

[LUTE] Angelique (olim Another Theorbo Question)

2006-10-07 Thread Mathias Rösel
> > Swan-necks on angeliques predate the > > purported/alleged "invention" by some > > 50 years. The oldest two out of those four angeliques in Schwerin date from 1704 (both made by Tielke). One angelique in Munich is a former lute, dated from 1633. (According to Pohlmann 1982, p. 596-7) > The a

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-07 Thread Howard Posner
On Friday, Oct 6, 2006, at 05:27 America/Los_Angeles, Rob Dorsey wrote: > Actually there is apparently, reading Narvey, considerable evidence > that > English theorbists adopted the Dm tuning despite it being a French > initiative. Go figger' huh? Mace, writing in 1676, sai

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-07 Thread Arto Wikla
Hi all, I wrote: > This could be a good idea to me: I have now my smaller theorbo (Barber's > French theorbo, 76cm:8x1/140cm:6x1) stringed and tuned to high > d-theorbo, but that instrument could be easily set also to d-minor > tuning. But what would our collective "

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-07 Thread chriswilke
--- Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Swan-necks on angeliques predate the > purported/alleged "invention" by some > 50 years. > RT The angelique is essentially a converted _theorbo_, not a lute. In this case, the theorboed extension was already there and the "swan-necking" was merely

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
> Lucas, > >What about the dm lute in ensemble music, period? > We know that there is actually a significant amount of > music for baroque lute with other instruments. > Supposedly, Weiss worked to invent the swan neck lute > especially so that it could be heard in instrumental > groups. Swan-

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-06 Thread chriswilke
can presume that he played (dm?) theorbo in orchestral situations, there is a letter from Weiss in which he describes accompanying an aria on the lute - which he thought worked well in terms of balance only _because_ he was joined by just the basses and harpsichord. They must have worked something

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-06 Thread Rob Dorsey
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:26 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question On Thursday, Oct 5, 2006, at 22:21 America/Los_Angeles, LGS-Europe wrote: >> After 1680 the tuning nuveau in Dm spread with the "Enlightenment" >> movement to includ

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-06 Thread Phalese
In einer eMail vom 06.10.2006 09:26:20 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > But what would our collective "hip police" say about playing > Gaultier, Weiss, Falkenhagen, Losy, etc. by a single strung > instrument... ;-)) > > Arto > Nothing new about that have a look

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-06 Thread Arto Wikla
Hi all > Yet another theorbo question. It seems to me that a moderately-sized > solo theorbo in D minor tuning would be a good all-purpose Baroque > lute upon which one could play the "modern" late 17th/early 18th- > century continuo, as well as all the German (and ma

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread Howard Posner
very nortern Europe, too, that stayed in old > tuning. > > David And the English theorbo. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread LGS-Europe
> and not opinion, definitive. After 1680 the tuning nuveau in Dm spread > with > the "Enlightenment" movement to include lutes and theorbos played in > northern Europe. Don't forget the mandora, very nortern Europe, too, that stayed in old tuning. David To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread Lucas Harris
2006 8:54 PM To: 'Nancy Carlin'; 'David Rastall'; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question David and All, The article by Narvey is excellent, scholarly and, given that it is factual and not opinion, definitive. After 1680 the tuning nuveau in Dm spread w

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread Rob Dorsey
octave or, more inventively, just dropping out the first course tuning and opting for d,a,f,D,A,G, etc. Having played continuo in Dm tuning on my 76/120 "theorbo" lute, I can say that it falls readily to hand and many chords (in keys popular with the bowed instruments, barokflaute and rec

[LUTE] Re: Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread Nancy Carlin
Administrator >Yet another theorbo question. It seems to me that a moderately-sized >solo theorbo in D minor tuning would be a good all-purpose Baroque >lute upon which one could play the "modern" late 17th/early 18th- >century continuo, as well as all the German (and maybe ev

[LUTE] Another Theorbo Question

2006-10-05 Thread David Rastall
Dear Luters, Yet another theorbo question. It seems to me that a moderately-sized solo theorbo in D minor tuning would be a good all-purpose Baroque lute upon which one could play the "modern" late 17th/early 18th- century continuo, as well as all the German (and maybe even som

[LUTE] Theorbo Questions

2006-09-26 Thread David Rastall
Dear list, Many thanks to those of you who responded to my recent questions regarding theorbos. Your input is much appreciated. David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-14 Thread Arthur Ness
Chris sent this additional information. === > Dear Arthur > > Tempus fugit indeed! > > Boethius/Severinus facsimiles are now sold by Jacks, > Pipes and Hammers - you > can see their ad in LSAQ - e.g. on p. 10 of the > February 2006 number > > all the best > Chr

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-14 Thread Rob Dorsey
David, The body of the lute/theorbo - particularly the t'bo - affects the sound profile immensely. By body shape we actually mean the shape and volume of the air cavity within the body and how its volume and distribution affect the propagation of the vibrations of the sound board. Likewise

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Question

2006-09-13 Thread Steve Ramey
If one is so fortunate as to be able to play a lute or theorbo prior to purchase and you can bring along someone knowledgeable to listen to you play it, I'd add the suggestion you should bring along someone (hopefully the same person) whose playing you trust to play it, too, so you can l

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread chriswilke
--- Herbert Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At some places, I've even learned to hold back > when I > > use the small guy so that the sound doesn't get > too > > annoying. > > Once I saw a Steinway baby grand that had a nicer > bass than a larger Steinway a few feet away. Not > louder, but c

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread Herbert Ward
> At some places, I've even learned to hold back when I > use the small guy so that the sound doesn't get too > annoying. Once I saw a Steinway baby grand that had a nicer bass than a larger Steinway a few feet away. Not louder, but clearer and more musical. Is this phenomenon also possible in t

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread dc
Arthur Ness écrit: >When Boethius took clerical orders, he took the name >Severinus. Check Severinus Press. It's still in print: Great! Thanks, Arthur. Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread chriswilke
David, I have to disagree with the prevailing opinion somewhat: bigger is not always better. I speak from some experience, owning both a gigantic theorbo (99cm on the board(!), diapasons around 6 1/2 feet long) and a smaller one (76cm fingerboard/119 diapasons). Nowadays I use the small one

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread Arthur Ness
ajn. - Original Message - From: "dc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:46 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: theorbo question > LGS-Europe écrit: >> For a good general introduction to theorbo playing >> turn to Kevin >>Mason's "The

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread JCetra
Dear David and All: I would say a larger body is more important, because it takes a "critical mass" of top area to reproduce that bass note, sort of like a bass drum. That is one reason why many archlutes are deficient in the bass register, in my opinion. A luthier once showed me an archlute

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread dc
LGS-Europe écrit: > For a good general introduction to theorbo playing turn to Kevin >Mason's "The Chitarrone and its repertoire in early seventeenth-century >Italy" (Boethius 1989) Hello David, This sounds very interesting, but it seems to be out of print. Does anyo

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-13 Thread LGS-Europe
Dear David > question is: which is more important to the production of a full, > substantial theorbo sound...long playing length, or a large body? Or > is it a combination of both? For theorbos it's simple: bigger is better. Big body, long stopped strings, long diapassons. Yo

[LUTE] Re: theorbo question

2006-09-12 Thread Jason Ferry
with 10 frets on the fingerboard, the body is not exactly huge. I've also seen theorboes with larger bodies with eight or nine frets on the fingerboard and around 120 cm.diapasons: large body, short neck extension. So my question is: which is more important to the production of a full,

[LUTE] theorbo question

2006-09-12 Thread David Rastall
ets on the fingerboard, the body is not exactly huge. I've also seen theorboes with larger bodies with eight or nine frets on the fingerboard and around 120 cm.diapasons: large body, short neck extension. So my question is: which is more important to the production of a full, substantia

[LUTE] Re: One marking in Saizenay ms, theorbo tab?

2006-09-12 Thread Alexander Batov
- Original Message - From: "Arto Wikla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:07 PM Subject: [LUTE] One marking in Saizenay ms, theorbo tab? > Dear collective wisdom, > > in the Saizenay ms. there is is a marking in one theorbo piece that

[LUTE] One marking in Saizenay ms, theorbo tab?

2006-09-11 Thread Arto Wikla
Dear collective wisdom, in the Saizenay ms. there is is a marking in one theorbo piece that is (probably) borrowed from guitar tabulature signs. In the beginning of the Chaconne, in page 288, there is the chord progression named "pour la Chaconne", where the writer has used eight n

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo music French tab

2006-09-11 Thread Lambert, SC \(Simon\)
There is such a publication, but - without having seen it myself - I think it's probably archlute/liuto attiorbato music, rather than theorbo. This is what it says on the Society's website: Selections from Piccinini and Kapsberger for Solo Renais

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo music French tab

2006-09-11 Thread JCetra
Dear Dick and All: Even more helpful, hasn't the Lute Society in England actually published a volume of Piccinini and Kapsberger in French tab for 10-course lute? Cheers, Jim -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo music French tab

2006-09-10 Thread Mathias Rösel
Django format. Django is a tab maker/viewer available for > free (in a limited version) at the first website. > > Jim > > > On 9/10/06, "Mathias R=F6sel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "Richard Brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo music French tab

2006-09-10 Thread jim abraham
ECTED]> wrote: > > "Richard Brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > Does anyone know whether Theorbo solo music, particularly from > > "Intavolature Di Chitarrone," Kapsberger, Piccinini, and Viviani has > > been put into French tab? > > W

[LUTE] Theorbo music French tab

2006-09-10 Thread Richard Brook
Does anyone know whether Theorbo solo music, particularly from "Intavolature Di Chitarrone," Kapsberger, Piccinini, and Viviani has been put into French tab? Thanks, Dick Brook To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Frets on a theorbo

2006-09-01 Thread LGS-Europe
Hoi Taco > My theorbo with gutstrings needs to have the frets with an angle to the > strings to get a correct tone. I.e. the fret needs to be shifted in the > direction of the pegbox on the side where you look, while at the side of > the > handpalm they stay at the original loc

[LUTE] Frets on a theorbo

2006-08-31 Thread Taco Walstra
On Friday 01 September 2006 03:31, you wrote: dear all, Just a question what came to mind reading the mails on frets. My theorbo with gutstrings needs to have the frets with an angle to the strings to get a correct tone. I.e. the fret needs to be shifted in the direction of the pegbox on the

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