Re: [MBZ] Haters come hate speed humps, spoon drains, etc!

2013-07-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jul 7, 2013 8:36 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Relax, looks like an air to air intercooler. What's the point of working out a custom mount and all the plumbing if you're just going to go air-to-air? Water-to-air intercoolers make a much bigger difference in intake air

Re: [MBZ] Great vid -- dwarf cars

2013-07-08 Thread G Mann
Very interesting, especially so now that I know I'm only a 45 minute drive away from his place. Road trip.. for sure.. Grant... On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Haters come hate speed humps, spoon drains, etc!

2013-07-08 Thread G Mann
It's not about how cool the air is.. it's about how cool you look, right? Road trash, parking blocks, they all mean nothing. Location sucks. Heat from the highway here would negate any gain from cooling.. but then, perhaps it's a snow to air installation.. Ohhh.. wait.. snow bank.. left that

Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-07-08 Thread Michael Canfield
Wow! That is crazy! Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Some guy takes a 220D to the track.

2013-07-08 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 7:19 AM -0400 7/2/13, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: http://oldcarjunkie.wordpress.com/2013/06/24/taking-the-diesel-mercedes-to-the-auto-x/ Hee! I actually autocrossed my '68 220D a couple of times. Most fun! -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-08 Thread Michael Canfield
Rich, You better check that spec again2mm is way too loose. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -)

2013-07-08 Thread Larry T
Thanks Michael -- I think it does as well.. ;-) Larry On 7/7/2013 4:35 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Hey Larry, I don't know for sure but that name is what a waste gate does. Mike On Jul 7, 2013 12:30 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks Kaleb -- I am reviewing the WSM sections

Re: [MBZ] Was someone looking for a deal on R-134a?

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Dave in SoCal wrote: 12 oz. for $4 at Menards through 7/14. I don't use it but seems to be a decent price for small bottles. Not available in Cali. Thanks, I didn't notice that in the ad. Mitch . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of flying - airspeed and altitude. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ]

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Oops! Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 9:47 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Seems to me that somebody was not monitoring 2 of the most basic parts of flying - airspeed and altitude.

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Still no excuse. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Agreed. Just thought that was interesting. I wonder if cockpit dynamics contributed to the crash. Dan always willing to question authority On Jul 8, 2013, at 10:00 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Still no excuse. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dieselhead
Michael Canfield wrote: Sounds like someone is in a world of trouble. Yeah, how many WEEKS is is OK to leave something like that unfixed at an oceanfront international airport with SFO's traffic volume? Mitch. What do you expect form a goobermnt that can't do anything it is supposed to

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Me, too, on both points - authority and dynamics. I think that in this case, there was great lack of cockpit dynamics - everybody dozing at the same time - and on approach to landing under CAVU conditions?! Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
I think the ILS is irrelevant - weren't they cleared for visual approach with runway visible from many miles out? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. He got more than that on the day of the crash, didn't he? At any rate, isn't it pretty simple? You deploy your flaps and wheels, establish your glide attitude, and

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Jim Cathey
I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. Gotta start sometime. Obviously something was wrong. Or, as is more usual, _several_ somethings were wrong. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Yeah, how many WEEKS is is OK to leave something like that unfixed at an oceanfront international airport with SFO's traffic volume? Mitch. What do you expect form a goobermnt that can't do anything it is supposed to (and required to) do (at great expense), but does all kinds of

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Yep. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Dan Penoff wrote: I heard on NPR this morning that

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Just saying they didn't HAFTA have it for seemingly such a simple approach with runway in sight from many miles out. 'Understood they were cleared for visual approach. Were they depending on ILS or some other system, anyway, and allowing aircraft to take certain steps automatically without

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Yeah, airspeed and altitude, that's the ticket. You run out of either one and you are in a world of hurt. You got radar altimeters, baro altimeters, GPS altimeters, and, oh yeah, look out the window. And the airplane feeling ree sluggish because it is flying too slow and

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Michael Canfield
I think this just gives me one more reason to drive one of my antique cars/trucks and see the sights along the way. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dieselhead
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: The last time something like this happened it was fuel waxing up resulting in power loss on final approach, which I'm sure will be examined. How can something like that possibly happen these days? Hasn't the

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-08 Thread Curt Raymond
I believe the spec is 0.01-0.02mm, I use 0.0005 which is between lines on my HF dial indicator. -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 07:53:35 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs Message-ID:    

Re: [MBZ] Was someone looking for a deal on R-134a?

2013-07-08 Thread Curt Raymond
TSC had 12oz cans for $8 ($7.98 I think) each on Saturday and I managed to forget to get some... -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:28:51 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was someone looking for a deal on R-134a?

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Curt Raymond
I thought it was more like 37 hours. How long is the flight from Korea to SFO? Gotta be 15-18 hours... -Curt Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:51:21 -0400 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Curt Raymond
43 hours:  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/08/boeing-777-crashes-at-san-francisco-international-airport/ - Forwarded Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash:

[MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-08 Thread Curt Raymond
I hate to disrupt the airplane theorizing but I've got a car question. Friday I noticed that if I had the AC on ('84 190D) the alternator light would glow on my car. If I turned the AC off the light would dim and after a couple minutes would go out completely. Its pretty hot here (80F when I

Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-08 Thread Frederick Moir
Voltages under various conditions?   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 1:23 PM Subject: [MBZ] AC and alternators? I hate to disrupt the airplane

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
'Bout 12 hrs from Seoul to SFO depending on winds, of course. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? I

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-08 Thread Michael Canfield
Yeah, what Curt said. It's been a while. Sorry. Mike On Jul 8, 2013 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe the spec is 0.01-0.02mm, I use 0.0005 which is between lines on my HF dial indicator. -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 07:53:35 -0400 From: Michael Canfield

Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-08 Thread Michael Canfield
Bad battery or loose or dirty terminals. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Allan Streib
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I have never flown a 777, but I am sure it is not wildly different from those Cherokees I used to fly, especially when it comes to figuring out where and how you want to plant it on the ground, and keeping your stick and throttle

[MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d

2013-07-08 Thread Frederick Moir
Not mine.   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. - Forwarded Message - From: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@verizon.net To: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 1:45 PM Subject: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d fred.s...@verizon.net forwarded you this from craigslist:

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
10 hours. 14 from Seoul to Detroit (I still have the scars from doing that haul more than once!) Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I thought it was more like 37 hours. How long is the flight from Korea to SFO? Gotta be 15-18 hours... -Curt Date:

Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-07-08 Thread Craig
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 06:25:09 -0400 Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Wow! That is crazy! Mike What is crazy? You didn't quote anything from the previous post. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-07-08 Thread Michael Canfield
One guy rebent the injection lines to match the firing order. 1 4 3 2 in place of just replacing the lines. (1 2 3 4) That was about max stupidity, but to a gas engine guy, the lines sort of resembled spark plug wires That is what is crazy. Maybe I will get the hang of trimming posts on

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Craig
On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 11:14:37 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yeah, airspeed and altitude, that's the ticket. You run out of either one and you are in a world of hurt I have never flown a 777, but I am sure it is not wildly different from those Cherokees

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-08 Thread Craig
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 13:16:32 -0400 Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, what Curt said. It's been a while. Sorry. Mike On Jul 8, 2013 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe the spec is 0.01-0.02mm, I use 0.0005 which is between lines on my HF dial

Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-07-08 Thread Craig
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 14:04:09 -0400 Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: One guy rebent the injection lines to match the firing order. 1 4 3 2 in place of just replacing the lines. (1 2 3 4) That was about max stupidity, but to a gas engine guy, the lines sort of resembled spark plug

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Allan Streib
Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: I heard on NPR this morning that the pilot flying left seat only had something like 7 hours in this airframe. I think it was a bit more than that, but he also had thousands of hours in other large jets. He was by all accounts I've seen a very seasoned

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Craig
On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 13:52:33 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I would add that from the video I've seen, where the aircraft strikes the ground and then does a near 360 spin up into the air and then slams down again, it's a remarkable testament to the build quality of the 777

Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-07-08 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I will get the hang of trimming posts on my phone someday. What phone? iPhone is dead simple. My Android tablet, not so much, to the point I don't even read email on it... Rick Sent from my iPhone

Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d

2013-07-08 Thread Michael Canfield
Fred, How far is that from you? Mike On Jul 8, 2013 1:55 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Not mine. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. - Forwarded Message - From: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@verizon.net To: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I would add that from the video I've seen, where the aircraft strikes the ground and then does a near 360 spin up into the air and then slams down again, it's a remarkable testament to the build quality of the 777 that

Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-07-08 Thread Michael Canfield
HTC Evo 4g lte. Android OS. Not the phones fault, I just don't pay attention and hit buttons too fast. Mike On Jul 8, 2013 2:16 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I will get the hang of trimming

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-08 Thread Scott Ritchey
Yup. It's just enough movement to see detectable needle movement on my cheapie dial gauge. It also seemed to me that the setting was correct when you can just barely detect any movement when you push/pull on the disk. -Original Message- From: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Scott Ritchey
I don't see any other explanation unless the pitot system was frozen over and the altimeter was set wrong (probably not or FDR would show). So how can this be allowed to happen? Did everybody think someone else was flying the jet (I've seen that happen)? -Original Message- From:

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Allan Streib
Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com writes: On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I would add that from the video I've seen, where the aircraft strikes the ground and then does a near 360 spin up into the air and then slams down again, it's a remarkable

Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d

2013-07-08 Thread Frederick Moir
Around Boston to Quincy? About an hour, all told.   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Allan Streib
Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com writes: On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I would add that from the video I've seen, where the aircraft strikes the ground and then does a near 360 spin up into the air and

Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!

2013-07-08 Thread Benz Hogs
Similar to drugs creating super bacteria it's feared that GM food will cross pollinate with weeds and create weeds that are resistant to herbicide. Also, pollen from GM corn has been shown to cause the death of caterpillars. GM foods may create new allergens like peanuts or gluten.

Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Frederick Moir wrote: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html That's one way to fix Esh's fuel delivery problem. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Scott Ritchey wrote: Yup. It's just enough movement to see detectable needle movement on my cheapie dial gauge. It also seemed to me that the setting was correct when you can just barely detect any movement when you push/pull on the disk. When doing motorcycle valve lash, minimum feel for

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Rich Thomas
They were under a VFR approach, or at least the day was clear, so anyone looking out the window (and glancing at the airspeed indicator) would have seen they were slow, and not aimed at the runway. Even if they were on an instrument approach the system should have known better than to do

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: They were under a VFR approach, or at least the day was clear, so anyone looking out the window (and glancing at the airspeed indicator) would have seen they were slow, and not aimed at the runway. Even if they were on an instrument approach the system should have known

Re: [MBZ] Was someone looking for a deal on R-134a?

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: TSC had 12oz cans for $8 ($7.98 I think) each on Saturday and I managed to forget to get some... Too bad Menard's doesn't go east of Cleveland and they won't ship R134a. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Probably could've landed fine on the over/under run (blast pad) if he'd been just a few feet (maybe 8 or 10?) higher to clear that seawall. Blast pads (over run) areas are weaker than runway, of course, but touching down there's a helluva lot better than really pranging it. Wilton -

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jul 8, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: It's on CNN's website. http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/08/us/asiana-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Thank you. Wow. And pretty much everybody walked away. Quite a testament to Boeing in general, and the 777 in

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
I noticed that, too. I can hear it now, Uh, uh, wait just a minute. Let me get my bag. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor

Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

2013-07-08 Thread Dieselhead
Scott Ritchey wrote: Yup. It's just enough movement to see detectable needle movement on my cheapie dial gauge. It also seemed to me that the setting was correct when you can just barely detect any movement when you push/pull on the disk. When doing motorcycle valve lash, minimum feel for me

Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-07-08 Thread Dieselhead
One guy rebent the injection lines to match the firing order. 1 4 3 2 in place of just replacing the lines. (1 2 3 4) That was about max stupidity, but to a gas engine guy, the lines sort of resembled spark plug wires That is what is crazy. Maybe I will get the hang of trimming posts on

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dieselhead
What really gassed me when I saw the first photos of the surviving passengers walking away from the wreckage was that many of them were pulling their carry on luggage behind them! I would have been walking over people to get out of that thing, baggage be damned! Dan Dan, who is obviously

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
WILTON wrote: I noticed that, too. I can hear it now, Uh, uh, wait just a minute. Let me get my bag. Depends on whether you were stuck standing there longer than it took to retrieve the bag. And it wouldn't be fun to land on another continent 20,000 miles from home with zero luggage.

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
What really gassed me when I saw the first photos of the surviving passengers walking away from the wreckage was that many of them were pulling their carry on luggage behind them! I would have been walking over people to get out of that thing, baggage be damned! Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 3:00

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Randy Bennell
On 08/07/2013 10:04 AM, WILTON wrote: Just saying they didn't HAFTA have it for seemingly such a simple approach with runway in sight from many miles out. 'Understood they were cleared for visual approach. Were they depending on ILS or some other system, anyway, and allowing aircraft to take

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
No, they are not. I thought that word was an ethnic slur aimed at the Chinese that was commonly used in Hawaii? And for the record, I consider myself frugal, but when my life is in immediate danger, possessions are going to be the last thing I worry about... Dan Dan On Jul 8, 2013, at 4:38

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Trust me, the airlines are providing everything they possibly need at this point, I am sure On Jul 8, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: WILTON wrote: I noticed that, too. I can hear it now, Uh, uh, wait just a minute. Let me get my bag. Depends on whether you

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dieselhead
Not a slur. Not at all. But it is sometimes used to describe frugal. It is just a word used to describe the origin of a group of people. Portugee is not a slur either. It just describes the origin of that group of Hawaiian people. No, they are not. I thought that word was an ethnic slur

Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d

2013-07-08 Thread Mike Esh
It is beginning to look that way. I have not given up yet. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Frederick Moir wrote: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html That's one way to fix Esh's fuel

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Rich Thomas
That happened to me when I went to Japan. Our plane in Boston got taken out of service, they put us on a little puddle jumper to JFK to catch a flight, I could see my bags sitting on a cart on the ramp, it was starting to snow/rain. I told various airline people and the PJ pilot that my bags

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dieselhead
snipA San Francisco airport spokesman said a component of the airport's instrument landing system that tracks an incoming aeroplane's glide path has been out of service in recent weeks and was not operational on Saturday. Pilots and air safety experts said the glide path technology was far

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: The bags get there at like 9PM, everything is totally soaked, suits, shirts, underwear, socks, everything. ohsht. Note to self: line luggage with garbage bags. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Yeah, if you're standing/waiting and the bag is right there, OK. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Lotta mighty lucky people. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? On 08/07/2013 10:04 AM,

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Peter Frederick
Korean airline, not subject to FAA rules in terms of pilot training, etc except where they agree to it. Something was seriously wrong, the pilot flying the plane has landed 747's at SFO multiple times and there isn't THAT much difference between airframes on landing technique -- stay at

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Peter Frederick
Somehow they were 34 knots under correct speed, applied power and did not re-gain speed, and had the stick shaker go off. As I said, something strange is going on here, I just don't believe everyone in the cockpit was napping on final approach, the pilot has put big planes on the ground

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
En route to my assignment in Greenland in Feb '78, stopped by Colorado Springs to meet The General, have several days of briefings, etc. - no bag arrived with me; went through meeting with General, etc., in casual civvies. General knew immediately what had happened; didn't seem to care; we

Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-08 Thread Peter Frederick
How old is the battery? Since you don't have an ammeter (which I greatly prefer over an idiot light) it's hard to tell, but I suspect you are drawing lots of amps all the time charging a battery that's dead. When the aux fan kicks in you don't have enough juice. Might check the aux fan

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Peter Frederick
I've heard several comments on the luggage, and the one that really caught my attention is that it's possible the cabin crew asked them to haul it out. Reports are that the overhead compartments had come open and dumped it all out anyway, and the best way to get it out of the way is for

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
NWA was my airline of choice for many years, much because they did a better job taking care of their business passengers. In 8 years of almost weekly travel, I only had my bags lost/delayed once, and that wasn't the airlines fault (I got crosswise with an asshat Customs officer entering Canada

Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -)

2013-07-08 Thread Larry T
Hi Gang - Is this a clue? Don't know if this is related to the Turbo/transmission problem but there's a rattle at steady throttle that seems to come from the gear shift area. Maybe a bushing is broken? Or the Kickdown cable Peter mentioned is possibly broken? Thx Larry On 7/8/2013 9:10

Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -)

2013-07-08 Thread WILTON
Coupla times with my 123 and 126, I've had rattling shift linkage 'til I had new bushing installed. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Rich Thomas
They took care of me on the flight over and back too. I pretty much anesthetized myself for most of the 11 or 14 hours or whatever it was, both ways. I flew back to Houston from Tokyo, I might have stopped en route somewhere to change planes, I forget. Oh, I remember now too -- I was on a

Re: [MBZ] SLS vid

2013-07-08 Thread Fmiser
Rich wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haR2Q4JfWdc Oh. Not about Self Leveling Suspension -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-08 Thread G Mann
If you put a load tester on the old battery, I'm betting it will show it is no longer capable of holding full charge when under load. Max AC puts load on battery, battery discharge rate is greater than it's now able to intake and hold charge, Alt output from regulator increases to try to make up

[MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Gerry Archer
On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I would add that from the video I've seen, where the aircraft strikes the ground and then does a near 360 spin up into the air and then slams down again, it's a remarkable testament to the build quality of the 777 that it

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Mountain Man
My son is interested in these things - he drives a lear35. flyingprofessors.net/what-happened-to-asiana-airlines-flight-214-2/ See if you can wade thru that. Seems to be somewhat thorough. may ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -)

2013-07-08 Thread Larry T
I had a rebuilt AT from Rusty installed about 2 years ago - don't know if new bushings were installed at that time. But that might explain the AT not downshifting. Plus, in 2 years the bushings may have worn out... Have been unable to find anything in the WSM so far But MB has always

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Mountain Man
--R wrote: Yeah, airspeed and altitude, that's the ticket. You run out of either one and you are in a world of hurt. The Buffalo syndrome. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread G Mann
Far as I know, all trans-pacific flights use dual crews. The flight times exceed FAA allowable duty day, so crew 1 flys first leg, crew 2 replaces them somewhere mid pacific while crew 1 goes to crew rest compartment. The details will eventually come out in the FAA investigation. Bottom line..

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Mountain Man
Dieselhead wrote: One of the drawbacks of computerized control is that people become used to it and forget the underlying functions, then don't comprehend when the automated system is not functioning correctly. For sure!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-08 Thread Fmiser
Peter wrote: How old is the battery? Since you don't have an ammeter (which I greatly prefer over an idiot light) it's hard to tell, but I suspect you are drawing lots of amps all the time charging a battery that's dead. When the aux fan kicks in you don't have enough juice. Could also

Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
All of the trans-pacific flights I ever flew carried two full crews. I was flying to Schipol (Amsterdam) one time on a 747-400 in business class, as we always got to fly business class on any trip totaling more than 8 hours transit time, which meant anything overseas was business class. This

[MBZ] Who Farted Up the Elevator?

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
http://www.muzak.com/products/scent Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Haters come hate speed humps, spoon drains, etc!

2013-07-08 Thread OK Don
I thought Meiman (sp?) and the Finns were mounting them verticaly in the right front of the engine compartment. The only thing the bumper is protecting in the radiator - not you - it's not safety - On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: I went over a couple speed

Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?

2013-07-08 Thread OK Don
Wouldn't the gizmo whose name I'm forgetting shut off the AC if the belt is slipping? Should be on all the serpentine belt cars. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Could also be a slipping belt. -- Philip -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45

[MBZ] Really need the money ive lowered the price once again

2013-07-08 Thread Dan Penoff
I think they have it priced fairly http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/3920471229.html must be towed home, needs TLC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] Really need the moneingsy ive lowered the price once again

2013-07-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
The word unlovely springs to mind,.. On Jul 8, 2013 8:35 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think they have it priced fairly http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/3920471229.html must be towed home, needs TLC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] SLS vid

2013-07-08 Thread Curt Raymond
Thats what I thought too. BTW I managed to burn a hole through the generator in that *^%$! Mil-spec you traded me. ;) -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 18:05:37 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] SLS vid Message-ID:

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