Re: [MBZ] OT: A reminder that we can't do all the things

2019-02-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I never paid for firewood in Bethesda when I ran two fp inserts full time. I merely listened for the sound of chain saws, then told the crew I would save them a trip to the dump if they cut the trees (usually oak) into 18" lengths and unloaded them on my driveway. I then proceeded to split them wi

Re: [MBZ] OT: A reminder that we can't do all the things

2019-02-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
In the “Momolith”, the 4,000SF behemoth we lived in in Indianapolis, it had an 80% efficient gas furnace and our worst month was about $200. Lots of open space in that place, too, that was a waste to heat. Best thing in that place were the heated tile floors in the bathrooms. They had timers on

Re: [MBZ] OT: A reminder that we can't do all the things

2019-02-05 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
We have a Jotul insert that I burn on days below freezing, which means in the winter it will run for many days consecutively, which was as early as November this year. It does quite a good job heating nearly the whole house thanks to the chimney being in the center. After about two days of runnin

Re: [MBZ] OT: A reminder that we can't do all the things

2019-02-05 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Err- a chimney fire in the chimney I had not cleaned in awhile-cold winter, icy roof, busy etc etc, Fortunately we had no fire extension into the surrounding walls. Dwight E. Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:38 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 13:28:26 -0500 Dwig

Re: [MBZ] OT: A reminder that we can't do all the things

2019-02-05 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I had a wood stove in my old Victorian in the Boston area, burned it constantly through the winter, had a pretty low oil bill.  I dropped the chimney flue (I put a new stainless flue in the old brick chimney that served the kitchen cook stove or heat stove back when) down into the basement wher

Re: [MBZ] OT: A reminder that we can't do all the things

2019-02-05 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Some jobs really are worth hiring someone to do them is the lesson there. They clean our oil furnace chimney from below but it is only one storey. (British spelling) Dwight E. Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:32 PM Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: > I did that job once but from below.

Re: [MBZ] OT: A reminder that we can't do all the things

2019-02-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The flue fire he had as a result of not cleaning it, I’m sure. We had one in our first house, which had a wood burning insert in the brick fireplace. Previous owner said they had it cleaned before they sold the house. One of many lies they told us, but it was our first house and we were ignorant

Re: [MBZ] OT: A reminder that we can't do all the things

2019-02-05 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 13:28:26 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: > Yes, I used to clean out our chimney a couple times a season with > constant wood burning in our Vermont Castings. (6-7 cords a season) > Then there is the time I didn't and had to call my fellow firefighters. > How embarrassing

Re: [MBZ] OT: A reminder that we can't do all the things

2019-02-05 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I hadn't thought of the mess, partway down I started thinking I might have wanted to try this from the bottom, glad I didn't. I couldn't have fit this brush up through the clean-out anyway. I was smart enough to lay down some paper before I opened the clean-out. Very little mess scooping out th

Re: [MBZ] OT: A reminder that we can't do all the things

2019-02-05 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
I did that job once but from below. Same screw together type brush. I went 40 feet to top of chimney. I covered everything in the room with plastic and wore a respirator. I have little desire to do it again. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2019, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote:

Re: [MBZ] OT: A reminder that we can't do all the things

2019-02-05 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes, I used to clean out our chimney a couple times a season with constant wood burning in our Vermont Castings. (6-7 cords a season) Then there is the time I didn't and had to call my fellow firefighters. How embarrassing. Dwight E. Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:24 PM Curt Raymo

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-10 Thread Mitch Haley
clay wrote: My six year old cousin was almost expelled in January because he has a thumb and index finger. He was caught brandishing this on school property and they have a zero tolerance policy. I think they are planning on chopping off thumbs for a dual purpose of reducing texting and viol

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-10 Thread clay
My six year old cousin was almost expelled in January because he has a thumb and index finger. He was caught brandishing this on school property and they have a zero tolerance policy. I think they are planning on chopping off thumbs for a dual purpose of reducing texting and violence. clay O

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2013-06-10 Thread clay
Good point. This is the way Chavez kept Venezuela primed for his socialist progroms. No poo paper, no milk, no bread, no rice, no staples available unless you wait in line. Meantime, the folks with money are able to shop in Miami and fly high quality merchandise home in their Cessna. Lots o

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
Actually right now you could probably sell at a fair profit. The good thing is ammo really doesn't go bad. I've shot stuff that was WWI surplus that still shot reasonably well. -Curt Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 09:17:58 -0400 From: Dan Penoff To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
ely (other than that stupid California thing which won't stand) to be banned. -Curt Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 09:11:05 -0400 From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder Message-ID: <51b47ee9.6090...@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 10:34 AM -0700 6/8/13, Greg Fiorentino wrote: As I have taught my children: violence is NEVER a good solution. (But sometimes it is the ONLY solution). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazOmi4yIbU "A riot is an ungly thing... undt, I tink, that it is chust about time ve had vun!"

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff
ut for now you could make a little money and then make money on > the sale. I'd do it myself if I had money and knowhow. > > -Curt > > Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 21:13:12 -0400 > From: "Scott Ritchey" > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Subject:

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: Anybody with some money and an entrepreneurial bent out to start an ammunition factory right now. Plan on running it for 16 months and then sell. As soon as the fervor burns out you won't be able to make it as a small manufacturer but for now you could make a little money

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
it for 16 months and then sell. As soon as the fervor burns out you won't be able to make it as a small manufacturer but for now you could make a little money and then make money on the sale. I'd do it myself if I had money and knowhow. -Curt Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 21:13:12 -0400 From:

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread Mitch Haley
G Mann wrote: Art imitates life... or life imitates art... in either case.. the human spirit is hard wired to survive. The Founding Fathers tapped into that spirit in the formation of the "rules of government" set out in Constitution. That single thing is why millions of humans from thousands of

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Mountain Man wrote: Gun sales are hot, but I also hear the market has been robbed by huge govt purchases, so of course consumer market is no-longer-available. Oh, yes. I forgot that part. When DHS releases billion round inventories and new of multi-billion round orders, people tend to think

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Scott Ritchey wrote: What is so amazing is that all this is a response to a vague and undefined threat of a possible future restriction on 2nd amendment rights. 1. We know what Obama wants to do to handguns and repeating rifles, and that he expected to do it after that elementary school shooti

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread Scott Ritchey
Mountain Man wrote: > The current round of "scandal" only pushes their thresholds.. >Gun sales are hot, but I also hear the market has been robbed by huge >govt purchases, so of course consumer market is no-longer-available. >Even if everyone has guns, will anyone ever use them in a Redneck >S

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread Mountain Man
Grant wrote: > The current round of "scandal" only pushes their thresholds.. Gun sales are hot, but I also hear the market has been robbed by huge govt purchases, so of course consumer market is no-longer-available. Even if everyone has guns, will anyone ever use them in a Redneck Spring? I have

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread Scott Ritchey
ntaining proficiency. --- On Saturday, June 08, 2013 5:58 PM, G Mann wrote To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder If you believe apathy rules... better check your local gun store.. or even your local Walmart ammunition sales ar

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread WILTON
one keeps right on ringing with same crap over and over. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder You know what is really absurd about all this? I get 2-3 cal

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread Rich Thomas
You know what is really absurd about all this? I get 2-3 calls a day about credit cards, a free cruise, other crap, from robocallers. My phone is on the DoNotCall list. These outfits call millions of people a day. I even get them on my cell phone. You would think the NSA could track down w

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread G Mann
If you believe apathy rules... better check your local gun store.. or even your local Walmart ammunition sales area... SOLD OUT.. and have been for months.. Go to a gun show.. thousands of citizens, legally arming themselves... because they do not feel safe... Gun sales have set new records every

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread Mountain Man
Greg wrote: > ...I strongly believe that all of our other options > that the framers of our political system prepared for us will rectify the > problems long before that would become necessary. > As I have taught my children: violence is NEVER a good solution. (But > sometimes it is the ONLY solut

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread Greg Fiorentino
tion. (But sometimes it is the ONLY solution). Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 5:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder Count me out. I have too much work t

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread G Mann
Art imitates life... or life imitates art... in either case.. the human spirit is hard wired to survive. The Founding Fathers tapped into that spirit in the formation of the "rules of government" set out in Constitution. That single thing is why millions of humans from thousands of places, over two

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Count me out. I have too much work to do on my cars and in the garden, On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > G Mann wrote: > > The effect of said "Redneck Spring" [apologies to all honorable rednecks >> for commandeering the term, with special exclusion for Andrew ;)] will be >

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-08 Thread Mitch Haley
G Mann wrote: The effect of said "Redneck Spring" [apologies to all honorable rednecks for commandeering the term, with special exclusion for Andrew ;)] will be a series of actions which quickly and with considerable use of force, remove offending departments and persons in government from power

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-07 Thread G Mann
You ask, I answer... My prediction is, about mid to late July, the public conscience will receive or cumulatively have received the requisite volume of moral insult to have reached it's threshold to action. >From that, about mid Aug, [Americans are slow to anger and react] a series of trigger even

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-07 Thread Mountain Man
Patrick Henry wrote: > "The tree of liberty need be watered from time to time with the blood of > despots and free men." > Sounds all fine and good for a different era. This ain't gonna happen today. If this is going to happen today - please flesh out what and how this will happen. We are in an e

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-07 Thread G Mann
I stand corrected. Correct in thought, incorrect in origin. Thank you. On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Fmiser wrote: > > G Mann wrote: > > > > "The tree of liberty need be watered from time to time with the > > blood of despots and free men." > > > > Patrick Henry > > Patrick Henry had some

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-07 Thread Benz Hogs
12 years too late, yes. Remember when right wingers through up a fit when Prez Obama said something to the effect of not letting a good crisis go to waste in regard to heathcare? Yea, Prez Bush had already screwed us. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi) On 6/6/20

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-07 Thread Fmiser
> G Mann wrote: > > "The tree of liberty need be watered from time to time with the > blood of despots and free men." > > Patrick Henry Patrick Henry had some good quotes - but I think that one is from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to Colonel William Smith November 13, 1787. This was in

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-07 Thread G Mann
"The tree of liberty need be watered from time to time with the blood of despots and free men." Patrick Henry On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:30 PM, clay wrote: > Tell that to Verizon and NSA. Criminal and unconstitutional I think > > clay > > On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: > > > The

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2013-06-07 Thread Craig
On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:24:57 -0400 Rich Thomas wrote: > That could never happen, we have elected and appointed officials > looking out for us, and plus it would be for our own good, to keep us > safe. They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither libe

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-07 Thread Rich Thomas
That could never happen, we have elected and appointed officials looking out for us, and plus it would be for our own good, to keep us safe. --R On 6/7/13 10:46 AM, Max wrote: Seems all that is needed is for a political appointee to declare that a group is a "domestic terrorist threat" and t

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-07 Thread Max
Aye! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Jon Agne wrote: >and Republicans.(or anyone, for that matter) > >On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Max wrote: > >> I think in light of the Democrats use of the IRS to target >conservatives, this level of access by a

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-07 Thread Jon Agne
and Republicans.(or anyone, for that matter) On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Max wrote: > I think in light of the Democrats use of the IRS to target conservatives, > this level of access by any federal agency is now pretty alarming. ___ http://ww

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2013-06-07 Thread Max
I think in light of the Democrats use of the IRS to target conservatives, this level of access by any federal agency is now pretty alarming. Seems all that is needed is for a political appointee to declare that a group is a "domestic terrorist threat" and the courts rubber stamp and then DHS is

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-07 Thread Dan Penoff
I don't understand all the fuss. This was well known 5-6 years ago, when the guy from AT&T came forward and revealed the splitters that the NSA had installed on AT&T's backbones. I am waiting to see how this pans out with the service providers, like Facebook, Google and Apple. Were they being h

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-06 Thread clay
Tell that to Verizon and NSA. Criminal and unconstitutional I think clay On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and > effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, > and no Warrants s

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2013-06-06 Thread Mountain Man
--R wrote: > ...but upon probable cause... We are about a dozen years too late. We shoulda thought about this whole privacy infringement thing when we thought there was probable cause, i.e. 911. We have been raised as sheople too long - the deed is done. Agencies have been mining data with the s

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2013-06-06 Thread Dieselhead
>Thanks Rich. The whole Nation needs Bill of Rights TV commercials for the Sheople to see.< Based on the current demonstrated skill levels of public school graduates I sincerely doubt they would have the ability to read the text. Perhaps it would be more effective if someone put them into a RA

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Try not to generalize. You would be amazed at how many brilliant, articulate kids are coming out of DC area public high schools - in addition to the illiterate ones. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:24 AM, G Mann wrote: > >Thanks Rich. The whole Nation needs Bill of Rights TV commercials for the > Sh

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-06 Thread G Mann
>Thanks Rich. The whole Nation needs Bill of Rights TV commercials for the Sheople to see.< Based on the current demonstrated skill levels of public school graduates I sincerely doubt they would have the ability to read the text. Perhaps it would be more effective if someone put them into a RAP

Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-06 Thread Rich Thomas
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/verizon-providing-all-call-records-to-us-under-court-order/2013/06/05/98656606-ce47-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2336753/Stunning-shots-Allied-troops-storming-Omaha-Beach-Normandy-war-photographer-R

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2013-06-06 Thread Michael Canfield
Thanks Rich. The whole Nation needs Bill of Rights TV commercials for the Sheople to see. Mike On Jun 6, 2013 9:18 AM, "Rich Thomas" wrote: > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and > effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,