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On 06:39 22 Oct 2003, sam kupar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| when u are installing redhat9,u have to select swap size;which is
| recommended
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/20/03 04:00PM >>>
> >
> > I've been having some trouble opening and closing ports. Basically, I
> > want to close of all ports except 22 for ssh and 3 other ports to do
> > some testing with openmosix. No matter what I do though, the ports
> > that
> > I want open stay
On Tuesday 21 October 2003 20:42, Jesse Millan wrote:
> Firewall is still doing absolutely nothing, even when I untrust eth0.
and he wrote earlier:
> > Other notes, I have iptables service enabled. It starts at boot.
> > Also, I
> > have tried to use iptables directly i.e iptables -A INPUT -p tc
hi cameron
pl do check on this point
when u are installing redhat9,u have to select swap size;which is recommended to be
double the RAM.have u selected 256MB or more of swap size.actually i am also having
the same configuration as urs and the things are at a good speed(with background tasks
and
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 07:58, Dominic RIVERA wrote:
> Well, you have a couple of problems:
>
> You don't want to trust eth0, by trustung eth0 ( your only network card
> ) you are basically disabling the firewall from that interface.
>
> Dominic Rivera
> (503) 947-7308
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Fire
On 13:04 21 Oct 2003, Hawkeye Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| the installation went without a hitch: i just held down 'next' and
| went with the defaults. when i finally booted, however, X took forever
| to load, and once it was up, *everything* ran *very* slowly (10-15 secs
| to load mozilla
On 17:26 21 Oct 2003, Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:04:47PM -0700, Hawkeye Parker wrote:
| > i've recently installed redhat 9.0 on an athalon 650 with 128MB ram.
|
| For starters, you are below the recommended configuration. The absolute
| mi
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:04:47 -0700, "Hawkeye Parker"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i've recently installed redhat 9.0 on an athalon 650 with 128MB ram.
> i've previously run various linux flavors from the commandline, but
> i'd like to make the swit
It also wouldn't hurt to have a halfway decent video card...you didn't
specify what yours is.
Regards,
Mike Wafkowski
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: new
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:04:47PM -0700, Hawkeye Parker wrote:
> i've recently installed redhat 9.0 on an athalon 650 with 128MB ram.
For starters, you are below the recommended configuration. The absolute
minimum is 128MB, with 192MB recommended for a graphics workstatio
hi,
i've recently installed redhat 9.0 on an athalon 650 with 128MB ram.
i've previously run various linux flavors from the commandline, but i'd like to
make the switch to X, primarily so that i can toss my windows box out the
_window_ once and for all.
the installation
Wade Chandler wrote:
What messages did you have after your X closed and you
where back to the main terminal? This will point you to the error.
I just mentioned this in another post: ~/.xsession-errors may have
useful errors in it.
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Well, you have a couple of problems:
You don't want to trust eth0, by trustung eth0 ( your only network card
) you are basically disabling the firewall from that interface.
Dominic Rivera
(503) 947-7308
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/20/03 04:00PM >>>
I've been having some trouble o
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Subject: RE: RedHat 9.0 and Xwindows issue.
Thanks.
I get the xfs error, i solved with runlevel 3, but want to know the
source of the error ? Any idea.
Thanks.
-Me
Thanks.
I get the xfs error, i solved with runlevel 3, but want to know the source of the
error ?
Any idea.
Thanks.
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Objet : RE: RedHat 9.0 and Xwindows
ll lock
yourself out.
Mike
-Original Message-
From: Jesse Millan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Firewall Configuration in Redhat 9.0
I've been having some trouble opening and closing ports. Basically, I
want to close o
I've been having some trouble opening and closing ports. Basically, I
want to close of all ports except 22 for ssh and 3 other ports to do
some testing with openmosix. No matter what I do though, the ports that
I want open stay closed and the ports that I want closed are open.
(Mostly)
Port
nded up having to do. Mine was so bad I had to use my rescue
disk to get in and change my files. Hope that helps.
Wade
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To: RedHat mailling list (E-mail)
Subject: RedHat 9.0 and Xwindows issue.
With RedHat 9.0 i get often a problem with Xwindow, after days of
starting with runlevel 5 without any trooble, after some days I ge
My guess is bad hardware.
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With RedHat 9.0 i get often a problem with Xwindow, after days of starting with
runlevel 5 without any trooble, after some days I get suddenly ascreen goes black and
trying to start xwindow... and loops like that i must than restart the PC with power
down and power on.
Have some one faced a
Hello,today i update server to new and users an Intel P4 motherboard D865GBF.This
(Bboard includes built-in serial-ata(SATA) connectors for this new type of hard
(Bdrive.Then i install redhat 9.0 and find it run very slow.
(BSo i think it have any error for driver.Anyone can did this
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 01:10:09PM -0500, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote:
>
> > Oct 7 09:08:44 cscmail sm-msp-queue[27251]:
> > h97Dj1I9027083: to=dislam, ctladdr=dislam (500/500),
> > delay=00:23:43, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay,
> > pri=120223, relay=[127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0,
> > stat=Deferred: Connect
Benjamin J. Weiss wrote:
I am using the SMTP service from my ISP. Mail server
is running.
This is what I got in the /var/log/maillog..
Okay, things that look interesting to me are:
Sep21, it worked...it didn't work on 10/06 and 10/07
Sep 21 08:45:01 cscmail sendmail[24046]:
h8LDj1eK024046: f
> I am using the SMTP service from my ISP. Mail server
> is running.
>
> This is what I got in the /var/log/maillog..
>
Okay, things that look interesting to me are:
> Sep21, it worked...it didn't work on 10/06 and 10/07
> >>
> Sep 21 08:45:01 cscmail sendmail[24046]:
> h8LDj1eK024046: from=<[EMA
I am using the SMTP service from my ISP. Mail server
is running.
This is what I got in the /var/log/maillog..
Sep21, it worked...it didn't work on 10/06 and 10/07
>>
Sep 21 08:45:01 cscmail sendmail[24046]:
h8LDj1eK024046: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
size=1106, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<[EMAIL PRO
This is what I got in the /var/log/maillog..
Sep21, it worked...it didn't work on 10/06 and 10/07
>>
Sep 21 08:45:01 cscmail sendmail[24046]:
h8LDj1eK024046: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
size=1106, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain
[127
> I have crontab setup to send e-mail in the monring
> using mutt command. Sincae yesterday it's not sending
> any e-mail. It doesn't log any error message in the
> /var/log/messages. I tried to send e-mail manually and
> that didn't work either.
>
> What can go wrong?
Is there anything suspiciou
On Tuesday 07 October 2003 10:04 am, Dali Islam wrote:
> I have crontab setup to send e-mail in the monring
> using mutt command. Sincae yesterday it's not sending
> any e-mail. It doesn't log any error message in the
> /var/log/messages. I tried to send e-mail manually and
> that didn't work eithe
I have crontab setup to send e-mail in the monring
using mutt command. Sincae yesterday it's not sending
any e-mail. It doesn't log any error message in the
/var/log/messages. I tried to send e-mail manually and
that didn't work either.
What can go wrong?
__
Do you
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 09:17:16AM -0500, Nick Marsh wrote:
> What Intel chipset do you have, what BIOS revision is your Dell? I
> had problems with Dell and newer Intel chipsets in the
> past. Upgrading the BIOS fixed it.
>
> Try to flash your BIOS to the latest revision from
> http://support.del
What Intel chipset do you have, what BIOS revision is your Dell? I had problems with
Dell and newer Intel chipsets in the past. Upgrading the BIOS fixed it.
Try to flash your BIOS to the latest revision from http://support.dell.com and see if
anaconda runs.
Also, this thread has some good info
It appears that my problem may be a driver issue. I have just
installed Redhat 9.0
but had to install it w/o the graphical interface (anaconda). I did a
test install.
The dell has a NVIDIA, Quadro FX 500, has anyone dealt w/ this?
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Michael Mansour wrote:
Placa base intel con bios actualizada
Promise fastrak 100 tx2 con bios actualizada.
Red hat 9.0 i drivers de promise ultima version.
La instalación del red hat tambien la hace
correctamente solo hay una
pequeña duda, cuando entro en el discdruid veo 3
discos los dos que he
> >Placa base intel con bios actualizada
> >Promise fastrak 100 tx2 con bios actualizada.
> >Red hat 9.0 i drivers de promise ultima version.
>
> >La instalación del red hat tambien la hace
> correctamente solo hay una
> >pequeña duda, cuando entro en el discdruid veo 3
> discos los dos que he
> >
Where can I find Gnome 2.4 rpms for RedHat 9.0? (I don't feel like
trying to compile this myself).
BFD
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:00:47 +0200, "Carles Roca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Placa base intel con bios actualizada
>Promise fastrak 100 tx2 con bios actualizada.
>Red hat 9.0 i drivers de promise ultima version.
>La instalación del red hat tambien la hace correctamente solo hay una
>pequeña duda
Muy buenas, mi consulta es la siguiente: Quiero instalar un servidor RED
HAT 9.0 con un sistema mirror hardware, el problema es que no hay manera de que
funcione me sale un mensaje que pone “GURB ERROR HARD DISK”. El escenario es el
siguiente:
Placa base intel con bios actualizada
P
make your PC reboot (do it with Ctrl-Alt-Del)
when grub's menu displays, move the hilighted line on your current config
(this is necessary only if you have more then one bootable kernel)
press e (for edit)
move the hilighted line on the kernel parameters (usually containing things
like root=LABEL=/
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Subject: URGENT! My RedHat 9.0 server will not boot anymore!
Hi,
I tried to install a service using a wrapper script to run a java
application in the background. It would appear that it doesn't run in
the
backgrou
Hi,
I tried to install a service using a wrapper script to run a java
application in the background. It would appear that it doesn't run in the
background so therefore when I boot linux now. It stops at this service.
How can I rectify this? I've got GRUB bootloader and RH 9.0 installed.
Thanks!
>
> Do you really preffer to type your tabs? Every line? Why..? :)
I hate tabs in text files as well .. I type my own spaces. Just
makes me feel in control. More often than not, the
auto-indenter doesn't behave they way I'd want anyway. I find
it absolutely maddening! That and the wacky
James Gibbon wrote:
>Make sure you use /usr/bin/vim and not /bin/vi - the latter >is a minimal version which doesn't autoindent by default (or >possibly at all - dunno, as I detest autoindenting! Hence I >always use /bin/vi)
>dino:/home/jg 23$ ls -l /usr/bin/vim /bin/vi>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root
José Toneh wrote:
> I've upgraded to RedHat 9.0 and now it seems
> like vi doesn't indent anymore, which is weird.. I've
> tried ":set ai", ":set ai sw=4", the tabstop and
> shiftwidth are set in my .vimrc file; anybody else got
> tha
I've upgraded to RedHat 9.0 and now it seems
like vi doesn't indent anymore, which is weird.. I've
tried ":set ai", ":set ai sw=4", the tabstop and
shiftwidth are set in my .vimrc file; anybody else got
that problem?
hank wrote:
I am unable to use xmms. it isn't screen reader compatible.
I am using a x windows screen reader with the gnome desktop.
XMMS can bve launched through the file browsers also. I have launched it
through nautilus and through the norton commander like program called
Midnight commander.
is xine java or gtk 2.0 compatible?
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2003, hank wrote:
> hello I am new to linux and new to redhat 9.0
> I am wanting to run a few windows programs with wine I have a few questions
> 1. how do I use wine in redhat 9.0?
> 2. the 2 programs I want to run are
> winamp
> and the other one is
> ventrilo
> ventri
I am unable to use xmms. it isn't screen
reader compatible.
I am using a x windows screen reader with the gnome
desktop.
Title: Re: running wine on redhat
9.0?
hello I am
new to linux and new to redhat 9.0
I am wanting
to run a few windows programs with wine I have a few
questions
1. how do I
use wine in redhat 9.0?
2. the 2
programs I want to run are
winamp
and the
other one is
ventrilo
ventrilo is
a voice chat
hello I am new to linux and new to redhat
9.0
I am wanting to run a few windows programs with
wine I have a few questions
1. how do I use wine in redhat 9.0?
2. the 2 programs I want to run are
winamp
and the other one is
ventrilo
ventrilo is a voice chat aplication
ventril doesn't h
Bret Hughes wrote:
"
do you get any messages when you start mozilla from the command line?
as a test I changed my LANG to en_BR and got this at the command line:"
Humm.. that's probably because there is no brazilian english.. :)
I tried it with pt_BR (portuguese_Brazil) and it gave me no error
On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 01:09, Herculano de Lima Einloft Neto wrote:
>
> I just upgraded to RedHat 9.0 and now I can't get special characters
> like ã, á, à, ê on Mozilla input.. which are important to me and work
> just fine on all other programs, like they used to on RedHat 8.0
I just upgraded to RedHat 9.0 and now I can't get special characters
like ã, á, à, ê on Mozilla input.. which are important to me and work
just fine on all other programs, like they used to on RedHat 8.0
(Mozilla 1.0.1, which I used to have on RH 8.0, didn't have this
problem).
Hi,
I've recently installed Redhat 9.0 on my PC. On trying to use KDE I find
that if I dial up with KPPP half of my desktop icons disappear and I
lose the menu brought up by right clicking on the desktop is disabled.
If I don't use KPPP it works fine, with no problems, soon as I dial
Dear all,
I got another question. I installed Redhat 9.0 on my
laptop with touchpad (3 buttons). In the mouseconfig,
it recognized as Generic 3-button (PS/2). The left
and right buttons worked fine but not for the middle
button.I used to install the synaptics driver and
tpconfig but it
Hi,
I just installed freefont and I can use them until my next reboot. Then, I
can't see them and have to reinstall again.
Any ideas?
I believe I am not installing them in the correct directory. The readme file
mention (bellow) /usr/X11/lib/fonts but because I don't have this directory I
ins
I got the same problem as i was trying on command line ...
with rpm -ivh opera... ... ... rpm
but when i tried to install with the add/remove software
it was ok .. RH9.0 is able to find out the dependencies itself
and install them accordingly ..
GOOD LUCK
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Cornelius Kölbel wrote:
Hello,
I am running 2.0.1 and have no problems.
Often it is rather slow. Right now I would hit "Run Now" (If I would
like to have an xmms, that is not able to play mp3´s)
Regards
Cornelius
1) Please, don't send attachments to the mailing list.
2) It can play MP3's if you
Hello,
I am running 2.0.1 and have no problems.
Often it is rather slow. Right now I would hit "Run Now" (If I would
like to have an xmms, that is not able to play mp3´s)
Regards
Cornelius
Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote:
Is anyone else having problems updating their systems via RedCarpet?
I'm trying t
Is anyone else having problems updating their systems via RedCarpet? I'm
trying to update only three packages at a time (because I'm being
limited to 5KB/sec on RC's end) and right now, I'm not able to even
start the process of retrieving those files (whether I run it as root or
a priviledged R
I have done a fresh install on a system, that has
matlab 6.1 R12.1 and matlab 6.5 R13. However the
install of 9.0 broke the older verion of matlab.
Here is the error I receive.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# matlab
> Opening Log file: /root/java.log.
> Warning: Failed to start the Java Virtual ma
On Thu, 29 May 2003, [iso-8859-1] Bjørn-Sverrre Nøttum wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I am new to the list and I hope this question is on topic. If it is not
> please recommend another list.
>
> I have recently upgraded my system from RedHat 7.3 to 9.0. Now I have some
> problems when trying to print from a win
Hi!
I am new to the list and I hope this question is on topic. If it is not
please recommend another list.
I have recently upgraded my system from RedHat 7.3 to 9.0. Now I have some
problems when trying to print from a win98 client via CUPS to a printer
which is connected to another win98 clie
On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 02:32, Lars Eighner wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Christensen Tom wrote:
>
> > Just upgraded my laptop from redhat 8 to redhat 9,
>
> Why did you do that?
Probably for the same reason I'll be doing it in the next couple of
days: because I want to take a look. If it doesn't
Christensen Tom wrote:
Just upgraded my laptop from redhat 8 to redhat 9,
now I can't get better than 800x600 resolution on my laptop
whats the problem? Is this a known issue? Any known workaround?
it is a savage/IX chipset and both 8 and 9 recognize it fine in the
install, but 9 will only let
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Christensen Tom wrote:
> Just upgraded my laptop from redhat 8 to redhat 9,
Why did you do that?
I just want to make a point here. If you have a working system and you
don't know there is something mission-critical on the new version, it is
foolish to upgrade - and especiall
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 03:36:46AM +, Christensen Tom wrote:
> Just upgraded my laptop from redhat 8 to redhat 9,
> now I can't get better than 800x600 resolution on my laptop
> whats the problem? Is this a known issue? Any known workaround?
> it is a savage/IX chipset and both 8 and 9 recogn
Just upgraded my laptop from redhat 8 to redhat 9,
now I can't get better than 800x600 resolution on my laptop
whats the problem? Is this a known issue? Any known workaround?
it is a savage/IX chipset and both 8 and 9 recognize it fine in the install,
but 9 will only let me select 800x600 and
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:51:32 -0500, Ben Russo wrote
> Ed Wilts wrote:
>
> >On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 10:56:44AM -0600, Mike Vanecek wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Does all this discussion mean that no RH 8.1 will be released?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Correct. Please see
> >http://www.matrixlist.com/pipermail/lea
Ed Wilts wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 10:56:44AM -0600, Mike Vanecek wrote:
Does all this discussion mean that no RH 8.1 will be released?
Correct. Please see
http://www.matrixlist.com/pipermail/leaplist/2003-March/029087.html
If one goes from 8.0 to 9.0 should it be from scratch (ar
So, does rh9 contains gnome 2.2? Or not?!?
Thijs
Op di 25-03-2003, om 22:38 schreef Gene Yoo:
> DuSTiN KRySaK wrote:
> > On 3/25/03 12:00 PM, "Gene Yoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spit this out onto my
> > computer screen:
> >
> >
> >>join the club, i've been scrawling around to find more info
> >>:
On 3/25/03 1:38 PM, "Gene Yoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spit this out onto my
computer screen:
> i was just giving my little sarcasm : ) ...
>
> --
> <>
I figured as much - but I thought the link might still be of interest to
some... ;-)
D
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DuSTiN KRySaK wrote:
On 3/25/03 12:00 PM, "Gene Yoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spit this out onto my
computer screen:
join the club, i've been scrawling around to find more info
: ) ...
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http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3119
Try that - gives a little info...
Dustin
i was just giving
On 3/25/03 12:00 PM, "Gene Yoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spit this out onto my
computer screen:
> join the club, i've been scrawling around to find more info
> : ) ...
> --
> <>
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3119
Try that - gives a little info...
Dustin
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Steve Buehler wrote:
I don't know if I missed it here on the mailing list or not but has
anybody got a link to a page that tells more about the new RedHat 9.0?
Basically, I would like to find out what the main difference is that
would make them go to a new major release. All I can fi
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 11:09:11AM -0800, Jim Wilferling wrote:
> When you say update in place, does that mean rpm -U ?
Not really. I mean pop in the CD (or use one of the other installation
methods like NFS or FTP) and do an upgrade.
> Yes, I know i should just be getting a burner. But I'm lazy
It's not 9.0. It's 9.
>
> I believe that Red Hat is still supporting upgrades - i.e. you can
> upgrade in place from 8.0 to 9. The documentation will be out soon -
> it's always released at the same time as the product so in a week you
> can check for the definitive, supported approach.
>
> Ok,
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 10:56:44AM -0600, Mike Vanecek wrote:
> Does all this discussion mean that no RH 8.1 will be released?
Correct. Please see
http://www.matrixlist.com/pipermail/leaplist/2003-March/029087.html
> If one goes from 8.0 to 9.0 should it be from scratch (argg...)? If not, will
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:36:02 -0800, Jim Wilferling wrote
> Alright, so I'm annoyed. Just learning linux, and I've gone
> through 7.2, 8.0, and was anticipating 8.1. so now there's 9.0, so
> whatI've tried to install 8.1 beta rpms, and there were worse
> problems than there were with 8.0.
mount -o loop -t iso9660 isofilename mountpoint
Jim Wilferling wrote:
Alright, so I'm annoyed. Just learning linux, and I've gone through 7.2, 8.0, and
was anticipating 8.1. so now there's 9.0, so whatI've tried to install 8.1 beta
rpms, and there were worse problems than there were with
I don't know if I missed it here on the mailing list or not but has anybody
got a link to a page that tells more about the new RedHat 9.0? Basically,
I would like to find out what the main difference is that would make them
go to a new major release. All I can find on their web site is
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 02:12:39AM -0800, Michael A. Peters wrote:
> The biggest problem you might run into is some config files in your home
But these are not "binaries" and is true of almost any upgrade anyway...
> What you want to do - copy these files to a floppy:
> /etc/shadow
> /etc/group
>
The biggest problem you might run into is some config files in your home
directory that have changed spec, but that has only happened to me once
- I think when going from a pre 1 version of gnome to a much newer one.
If that happens - just delete the config file.
What you want to do - copy these
Not very fancy - but it works (attached shell script).
At some point I plan to add an option to specify the mount point if
/mnt/iso doesn't exist - but simple as it is, I never got around to it
;)
On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 01:39, Willem van der Walt wrote:
> is there a way to mount a disc image withou
is there a way to mount a disc image without it being on a disc? (
I dont have a burner.)
mount -tiso9660 disk.iso /mnt/cdrom -o loop
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Alright, so I'm annoyed. Just learning linux, and I've gone through 7.2, 8.0, and
was anticipating 8.1. so now there's 9.0, so whatI've tried to install 8.1 beta
rpms, and there were worse problems than there were with 8.0.
So we copeI'm not about to switch distros so quickly, just
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