ction elsewhere in OSM is absolutely a valid and interesting
topic, but the lists belong to pretty much the same period in OSM history as
IRC and Potlatch, and I say that as someone who still uses both. :)
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Unfortunately one of the hosts I use let me down (repeated outages and very
little support), so I had to move a bunch of stuff at short notice on New
Year's Eve. I haven't had chance to move a few of the tile layers yet but
should be able to in the next f
It might therefore be incumbent on us all to shut up and let women be heard.
Their experiences do not need to be mediated through our mansplaining.
In that spirit I'll post no more on this.
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, Bing, Here, Tencent,
ViaMichelin, TomTom, Mapquest, Esri, and Qwant all have on-map attribution.
http://www.systemed.net/osm/attribution.png
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trying to either 1) recover a BBB account or 2) setup a new one,
there seems to be an email outage.
can someone reach out to the admins for the OSM BBB server to get
the problem resolved?
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010, are actually pretty
skilled and experienced (by definition the beginner users use iD
these days) - many of them have a four-figure number of
changesets - so installing AIR shouldn't be beyond them.
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ot;Other uses" is easy to
type but doesn't actually mean anything until you identify what those uses are,
and crucially, find someone who is prepared to do them.
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s showing
promise (https://github.com/ruffle-rs/ruffle) and is under very active
development, but does not yet support AS3 or the Flash Player features that P2
needs. I would anticipate that P2 will be able to run as WebAssembly when
Ruffle reaches feature parity with AIR 2.6.
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two clicks on osm.org (Copyright -> Contributors) to get to the equivalent.
That's proportionate. It's not what we are talking about here. We are
talking about maps where 90%+ of the data comes from OSM, yet a credit to
OSM is either missing entirely or deliber
uot;, we communicate that the map has many contributors - and,
implicitly, you could be one too. So it serves as a recruiting sergeant for
OSM, while conveying the democratic, grassroots nature of the project. To my
mind the main driver for attribution has always been to get more
contributors and mak
Kathleen Lu wrote:
> I would not say this is true. Google maps has routing for walking,
> cycling, and public transit, and their public transit information is
> probably more complete than OSM's.
It is, but on the other hand Google's walking and cycling routing is _mu
will
come off the Edit menu after December this year when Flash Player support is
no longer available in browsers, although it will probably continue to be
available as an executable app via Adobe/Harman AIR.
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Rory McCann wrote:
> The existence of an OSM cycling logo doesn't mean all
> OSMers have to be cycling activists!
Wait, what?
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> On 15/02/2020 15:27, Richard wrote:
> >getting better and better: we have now a discussion on the labeling
> >of Antifa, definition of facism, authority of Wikipedia, what next?
> >
> >* less politics is
tifa, definition of facism, authority of Wikipedia, what next?
* less politics is better for OSM
* I would not be happy if anyone could mashup his logo with that of OSM
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On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 10:58:01PM +, Alan Mackie wrote:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM_centric_Telegram_accounts ?
thanks, for some reason it was not easy to find.
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> A new Telegram group has been set up: “RainbOSM”. A chat about LGBTQIA*
> issues and OpenStreetMap. 🙂
>
> Join here: https://t.me/joinchat/BDLI7xMzuF5TRZ5lwLYxkA
is there a list of OSM groups in Telegram somewhe
Maarten Deen wrote:
> Is it an idea to create some kind of ticketing system for this?
I think we already have this:
- create notes on osm.org, including the word "eurovelo"
- search for "eurovelo" on https://ent8r.github.io/NotesReview/
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nobbery [3], but there’s not a lot of point fretting
over how pretty the tagging is on the route relation if the route is actually
wrong in the first place.
Could I encourage people to check the EuroVelo routes in their home countries
and update them where necessary?
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retaining qualified people to work on this". The choice of
technology/platform for such a project would be down to those people and
what they find comfortable.
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the mapper, no-one is
obliged to parse your new tag, etc. etc.). Life is too short to explain this
to everyone and, to be honest, the uber-keen tag proposer doesn't want to
hear their proposal rubbished in the first five minutes so won't listen
anyway. Writing down "this is how OSM t
Hi,
noticed that many wiki pages like
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge:structure
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:bridge:structure
are now full of red links instead of the images that were previously there.
What happened??
Richard
, permission for attribution via our central
'Contributors' pages needs to be obtained and documented."
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neither of these in your statement.
For better understanding, you claimed "this looks pretty much like
being written by corporate representatives", and I pointed out that one
of the items in point 2 that you object to was written by me in 2012,
so not a corporate representative, and
a click is not acceptable. That's unambiguous all we
need. Fussing about what other logos might be on the map is a diversion
and is not supported by the ODbL.
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unacceptable and looks pretty much
> like being written by corporate representatives
Your point 2 is objecting to something I wrote in 2012 when I was editing a
magazine about inland waterways and has been on osm.org/copyright ever
since, so nope. :)
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[1] let's be honest, we're
se the attribution as long as
it is initially fully visible"
This would be better as "It is permissible to provide a user-activated
mechanism to...". There are apps which flash up an OSM credit for under a
second, after which it disappears (including one terrific iOS mapping app
wh
Andrew Hain wrote:
> Have a new team of developers code from the codebase of iD.
> Write a new online editor from scratch.
> Abandon online editing and tell everyone to use an offline editor.
Please stop trolling.
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imodal and you can't do multimodal routing if you can't navigate the
platforms. Graphhopper does.
I could list about 20 editor tagging improvements that would make foot and
bike routing better, and this isn't one of them.
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ts about time to admit the total failure of this search and inplement
it via google or other ones.
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ocation on the edit tab: JOSM arguably has more "heft" because its bulk
editing abilities allow people to impose new tags by force of number, not to
mention you 'orrible lot forever bombarding the poor newbie to use JOSM or
else. ;)
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M were being very fair-minded and, mindful of Mikel's
previous comments about them editorialising the news, decided to
editorialise this one in his favour for once. ;)
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Guidelines process explains
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such guidelines can be proposed by the community (no kidding, Sherlock). By
starting the discussion here, we can begin to ascertain what the community
would want to see
re has been a lot of chatter over recent years about this issue but
the issue has never really broken through. Let's talk about it openly,
honestly and respectfully and get it sorted out for the benefit of both
mappers and data consumers.
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name here in Charlbury and then post a letter to it,
Carla the post-lady will ask around until she finds out where the street is
(or until she sees the sign you've erected), and then she'll deliver you the
letter. A working postcode will speed the process up but isn't absolutely
necess
ults.
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On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 10:05:40AM +0700, Bui Quang Hung wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am trying to upload a picture from OSM Contributor (Mobile App) but I do
> not know how to do.
more details please, it is difficult to understand what you are trying to
enstreetmap.org/wiki/Merkaartor ?
Vespucci?
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n though that's not what
> From: says) and so uses OSM's SPF correctly.
interesting, my gmail inbox has 11788 OSM mails and only 39 in the spam
folder, out of those one false positive.
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at least not with a gmail account.
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but is this the "offending" message?
The messages go straight into a dedicated gmail inbox without any
filters.
As far as I know gmail will only ever reject messages that contain
what looks to it like executable programs - attached files
(*.exe, *
streetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q104
> Tag:bridge:movable=bascule: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q888
how do I get at other language's versions, and how do I get easily at the
original source of the information (description text) to fix it?
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I reckon this thread is consensus enough and I'm sure Simon can indulge us
on this one little thing if we promise to uncockup some editor presets in
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me stating the blindingly obvious, the thing about empty areas is that
there's not much there to map. The TIGER A41 issue continues to be a running
sore but, by and large, this can be (and is being) armchaired.
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[1]
umerous other cases where wiki
documentation differs wildly from real-world mapping practice (there are a
couple of notorious examples around access which I won't bore you with
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WYSIWYG editor[2]. It's not even infeasible that, one day, individual OSM
users could save their own stylesheets somewhere on osm.org, fork and share
them with others. The possibilities are endless, and endlessly delightful.
That is where to focus our energies - not on mithering arou
ome of the more obvious typos...)
So back to my original questions: The only way to find a new valid
tag value is to wait for a user to complain about a funky or lack of
calculated route?
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On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Mateusz Konieczny
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> 5. May 2018 18:07 by winw...@gmail.
he Map_Features page?
Is there any way to find out about new additions to avoid future
'surprises' like this?
Looking at the maps (and not knowing the two locations), the corridor
tagging looks reasonable.
Regards,
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logic.
Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> This language=en tag would be placed on a administrative
> relation, right?
If I read Frederik's proposal right, the language=en tag would be placed on
the object with the name tag, though putting it on admin relations is an
interesting idea.
Rich
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 01:51:54AM -0300, Nicolás Alvarez wrote:
> El 18 mar. 2018, a la(s) 20:50, François Lacombe
> escribió:
>
> >
> > 2018-03-19 0:38 GMT+01:00 Michael Kugelmann :
> >>> Am 18.03.2018 um 20:45 schrieb Richard:
> >>> fundamenta
have any use for separate mapping and wiki
accounts.
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> On 05/03/2018 11:49, Richard wrote:
> >this one problem could be (somewhat) solved by conditional restrictions,
>
> No, this is not an access restriction - people are allowed to go there
> whenever they like; it
disallowing it for political
or ideological reasons.
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dfills, busy roads and many other features will allow
someone to draw conclusions about the socioeconomic status of the
Area. Most of the time you can deduce income status purely by
the geometry of houses and roads.
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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions
Not that any routing engine I am aware of would understand those.
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Hi,
somewhat sidelining the issue, you can always add key:ele which should
circumvent
most pittfalls as long as it is present on all interesting objects.
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password is useless for 97% of users and should cease to
exist. Where some authentication to the list server is needed send
a link or code via email or more secure methods.
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d's international language as our mother tongue could,
perhaps, be more forgiving of those who weren't.
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e if they want to see half of Asia in Russian and Arab alphabets or
better in English and then ask the Russsians the equivalent questions.
Also, while it is relatively rare that names transliterated to latin can
cause political issues, many names in Asia will cause trouble if they a
dits to a single page within 14 days
* 5 edits to talk pages per 7 days
* 1 revert per 14 days
Nothing personal but very few people here have the time to follow
dozens of changesets so this would help a lot.
Maybe for some contributors a personal blacklist banning every edit with
the word &quo
imedia are hard to understand.
Even though I had only one argument with him I have given up arguing
with him.
His bad English and awkward contortion of arguments make it no fun.
We should try a way to understand him?
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Water and forest is allowed to overlap. OSM landcover model is insufficient
and mildly broken. Fixing it is not so easy.
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ool but perhaps this was
not the intention of the author?
Because - if you wanted to do automated editing there are much easier
and quicker methods.
Of course therer are many ways the tool should be improved before it
is used.
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Thanks - disabling auto zoom worked.
I'm working on the Puerto Rico project - they are using ESRI World
imagery as a base.
On 2017-10-16 11:22 AM, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Richard Nairn
wrote:
I'm just starting out and I had a question
Sorry - Using JOSM - dev build
On 2017-10-16 11:09 AM, Richard Nairn wrote:
Hi,
I'm just starting out and I had a question related to imagery. I am
trying to do some digitizing of house footprints for HOT-OSM. I'm
having issues when the houses are very close together, or I
Hi,
I'm just starting out and I had a question related to imagery. I am
trying to do some digitizing of house footprints for HOT-OSM. I'm having
issues when the houses are very close together, or I'm trying to
digitize smaller features. When I try to zoom in beyond native
resolution to move,
drive.) OSM is a collection
of human knowledge; this workflow goes too far in removing the human from
the equation.
As an alternative, could I encourage you to look at something tentative I
did the other year for that relic of an editor, Potlatch 2?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richa
America in the next update
in a week or so's time. cycle.travel mapping and routing is updated from
OSM roughly once a month. And thanks to everyone who has added
knooppunten and mountain pass info to OSM!
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doctrine) as well as the EU database right, at least until this benighted
country takes leave of its senses forever and leaves the EU. :(
Follow-ups probably best to legal-talk@.
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IIRC OSM stores spatial information. I might be wrong.
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On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 11:28:41AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2017-08-30 11:56 GMT+02:00 Richard :
>
> > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 12:53:43PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote:
> > > This really needs routers to be able to route over areas, the same issue
> > exists ove
re",
before routers start routing them they awould have to be tagged with
access tags.
Also grass areas in the mountains can't be assumed to be walkable.
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On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 08:15:31AM -0400, Greg Troxel wrote:
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> Richard writes:
>
...
...
...
>
> So I'm seeing a systematic bias (in fastest time mode) to slower,
> shorter routes.
>
> I should get some actual data and compare reality to OSM more
> systemati
ng decissions. You would have to tag the
large majority of roads with this tag to achieve a similar effect
like not having it on any of those roads.
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can't be adequately mapped othwerwise.
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>
> And will depend on 'time of day' ;)
of course - and you can use condiotional descriptions to map this.
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>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 22. Aug 2017, at 15:46, Richard wrote:
> >
> > called differently, but this is it:
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:practical
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>
is it:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:practical
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t through (particularly asking about those
problematic imports). What kind of strange ml policy is that?
Otoh my questions about LINZ imports were answered adequately. I would
guess it is a country with a low number of mappers per square kilometer
as you call it. Sometimes it happens they
.org.nz/
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/LINZ
I was in touch with http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/barnaclebarnes_linz
regarding the waterways a while ago.
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How you formulate a policy that permits osmosis and osmium but not OsmAnd,
though, I have no idea.
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ose ways where I usually ride on my bike
> sharing with the whole traffic (cars, buses, etc.)
assuming you mean class:bicycle=*, this is a possibility. It has been
critisized as not verifiable but realistically nobody has a better or
to be modest a
Sebastiaan Couwenberg wrote:
> The data shows something else. From todays old-style.osm.pbf, at least
> these relations were created yesterday with Potlatch 2:
Hey wait, aren't you meant to be posting this on an issue tracker? ;)
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Who would've thought? It figures. :)
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can say that with some certainty having maintained the default osm.org
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ot think this is coincidence. With identity
comes accountability.
There is nothing wrong with us saying "100% privacy is valuable, but it's
not compatible with the way OSM works, and if you can't cope with your edits
being trackable then OSM is perhaps not the project f
Florian Schäfer wrote:
> I'm not an expert on borders and how disputed borders are handled
> in OSM, so I forward this to the talk-list, because this probably
> needs more discussion.
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf
Richard
really is a case of "finishing" - plenty of work has already been done
but it hasn't got to a state yet where it can be integrated into the site.
For someone with Rails-fu it shouldn't be too hard.
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Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Here I thought I was asking a simple question.
On an OSM mailing list? You must be new round here.
(More seriously, there were rumours of an event in Italy, but I've not heard
anything concrete.)
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revert, simply to be able to apply
the long-standing (and well-founded) rules, would achieve nothing apart from
driving away a bunch of selfless, hard-working volunteers.
(There are no other large-scale reverts that take place in OSM to my
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bit odd - and begs the question if those tags
> really need to be there.
Why not? Be conservative in what you change/delete in OSM, be liberal in
what you add.
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several years. (It's soon to be replaced by OS Open Map Local.)
FWIW, I like the "-scape" suffix, e.g. OpenStreetscape:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/streetscape
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would probably route over highway=track there.
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