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From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
On Sun, 3 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
How many ip addys does each custo
urday, December 02, 2006 1:25 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
We are picking up 2.4 gig CPE/Routers, QOS, NAT, and DHCP is all built into
the CPE, for what, 99 bucks! 150 something including a 19db antenna, where
the 99 is a 12 db antenna. BT
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
We are picking up 2.4 gig CPE/Routers, QOS, NAT, and DHCP is all built into
the CPE, for what, 99 bucks! 150 something including a 19db antenna, where
the 99 is a 12 db antenna. BTW, both are B/G and 400mw output. Goo
t;burning"
twelve, but again considering the benefits of routing over bridging this is
a small price to pay.
Best,
Brad
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Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:07 PM
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Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Hello Marlon,
How do you figure a residential client (or any client for that matter) ties
up three IPs? I can see four IPs (/30) or simply one IP out o
On Sun, 3 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
How many ip addys does each customer need in a fully routed
network? gateway, ip and broadcast. I see that as three. Or does
a /30 use up four?
The customer will still use 1.
Either way, by bridging each customer only needs one.
your customer
"'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Hello Marlon,
How do you figure a residential client (or any client for that matter) ties
up three IPs? I can see four IPs (/30) or simply one IP out of a l
ixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:51 PM
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Yeah, the wa
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From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
using SR9's, with small cells - 1 - 2 milers. I have towers fed with 5
gig
Tik, a
DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 C
Reggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:00 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
I appreciat
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To: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:27 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
It is a fair question and what I would say is that the AU is an even
more critical point in the network. Our AUs have
.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
But
r 01, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
SR9 on WAR at 5MHz is about 6Mb
Tom DeReggi wrote:
We are finding that for most of the OEM 900 product though, best case
speed gets close to 1mbps on a 5mhz channel.
So Trango, is still our dominent choice, from towers,m where w
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From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sa
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To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Yeah, the waters in the route
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Many outside radios suffer from RF radiation over the Ethernet. I
have personally seen this on the YDI
, December 02, 2006 11:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
I would LOVE to buy some and test this solution... as I don't believe
that will fix the problem with the RB532's. The reason I say this is the
problem is actually WORSE when you us
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Travis Johnson wrote:
Non-PoE 48V input was the worst for noise at 100-150MHz and 400-450MHz.
PoE 48V was down a little, but only slightly.
Non-PoE 18V input got rid of most of the 100-150MHz, and dropped the
400-450MHz by 70%.
PoE 18V was down more, with 99% of the 100-150M
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Yeah, the waters in the routed vs. bridged argument are getting
more and more muddied all of the time.
How many wasted ip's are there in a routed network? Lots.
This is a big misconception. I don't have time to go into it here,
but the truth of
Butch... here is what we found...
Non-PoE 48V input was the worst for noise at 100-150MHz and 400-450MHz.
PoE 48V was down a little, but only slightly.
Non-PoE 18V input got rid of most of the 100-150MHz, and dropped the
400-450MHz by 70%.
PoE 18V was down more, with 99% of the 100-150MHz gone a
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, JohnnyO wrote:
Travis - please show me "PROOF" of this - Lemme see the scans
you've performed by Spec-An and any other documented data you've
accumulated.
I've heard of this issue. I will be doing some testing in the next
2 weeks with some conclusive tests.
--
Butch Ev
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Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:28 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
You missed the thread though Blair. Our CPEs are as low as $245 complete
and only $285 for very low volume (25 a quarter). We have AUs now als
g for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking,
security, and Mikrotik routers.
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Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:01 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
There is a HUGE problem with Mikrotik and FCC certification. The
Mikrotik
532 puts out over 30db of constant "noise" in an area they should not be
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Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Many outside radios suffer from RF radiation over the Eth
f rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
is there somewhere where I could find documentation on this issue.
I'm just about to migrate many of my POPs from custom-wrap/soekris
boards to MT routerboards.
D] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Many outside radios suffer from RF radiation over the Ethernet. I have
personally seen this on the YDI Etherant and the Trango FOX. This
problem is not spe
4 repeater there now...
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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
There is a HUGE problem with Mikrotik and FCC certification. T
is there somewhere where I could find documentation on this issue.
I'm just about to migrate many of my POPs from custom-wrap/soekris
boards to MT routerboards.
On 12/2/06, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is a HUGE problem with Mikrotik and FCC certification. The
Mikrotik 532 put
PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
I had the same problem with some canopy access points - had to do with
Ethernet.
I put an AP up on a tower, and it interfered with a HAM radio guy. Once I
moved it down on the tower 20 feet, the problem went
a nice 5.8 gig feed
and a 2.4 repeater there now...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
There is a HUGE problem wit
ubject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
>Hi Patrick,
>What basis do you have for the claim that an Alvarion network will fetch a
higher price than a Canopy network? Some analysis of historical sell prices?
>I'd be interested to see it.
Can't resist...
It's main
ber 02, 2006 9:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
There is a HUGE problem with Mikrotik and FCC certification. The
Mikrotik 532 puts out over 30db of constant "noise" in an area they
should not be (150MHz and 400MHz). It's still an iss
There is a HUGE problem with Mikrotik and FCC certification. The
Mikrotik 532 puts out over 30db of constant "noise" in an area they
should not be (150MHz and 400MHz). It's still an issue, and has not been
fixed or even addressed by MT.
Travis
Microserv
Butch Evans wrote:
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006,
o feed SR9 CPEs that have SR2 APs inside
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Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 9:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
How can you do 5 meg per client on 900 MHz? You wou
>Hi Patrick,
>What basis do you have for the claim that an Alvarion network will fetch a
higher price than a Canopy network? Some analysis of historical sell prices?
>I'd be interested to see it.
Can't resist...
It's mainly due to the current Canopy "gear trade-out" promo
Buy an Alvarion networ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 9:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
How can you do 5 meg per client on 900 MHz? You would have to have several
t
On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:22 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
I second Patrick comments,
As a growing wisp and looking to acquisition opportunities, the only way I
would buy a 802.11 based wisp was
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Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:22 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
I second Patrick comments,
As a growing wisp and looking to acquisition opportunities, the only way I
would
7.273.4145
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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:15 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
No, at the moment just anecdotal.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvari
Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Equity value is
TED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
You missed the thread though Blair. Our CPEs are as low as $245 complete
and only $285 for very low volume (25 a quarter). We have AUs now also
for about $2500 MS
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
On 12/2/06, Patrick Leary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about
your
> network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it,
>
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:
Why do you have to have the router? The DSL and cable guys don't
provide routers (not without extra fees). I provide my own in my
home. At work we have our own router.
I provide a router because that is the best network design and it
offers ME an upgr
On 12/2/06, Patrick Leary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your
network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it,
but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price. An
Alvarion network does bring
lf Of Joe Laura
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Patrick, How much are your A/P's going for in the 5.8 range?
Superior Wireless
New Orleans,La.
www.superior1.com
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>Behalf Of Butch Evans
>Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:24 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
>
>On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:
>
>
>
>>reduced truck roll,
>>
>
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Why can't I sell what I've built ?Because it d
ent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Why can't I sell what I've built ?Because it doesn't brag on the
Alvarion name ? Please.
As for growth path, I've got rooftop leases for these repeat
ing a system.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:24 PM
To: WISPA General Lis
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Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:19 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Why can't I sell what I've built ?Because it doesn't brag on the
Alvarion name
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:
> reduced truck roll,
Where are you getting this?
I have been in the ISP busin
ad business.
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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:54 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
It is interesting Rick and creative, but with all due respect, you
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:
even Mikrotik charges licenses for user counts and the hardware is
no different either, right?
Nope. No license per user.
--
Butch Evans
Network Engineering and Security Consulting
573-276-2879
http://www.butchevans.com/
Mikrotik Certified Consultant
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:
reduced truck roll,
Where are you getting this?
I have been in the ISP business longer than MOST people on this
list. I have nothing bad to say about Alvarion equipment, but the
fact is, that to use Alvarion gear in any network I would build, you
w
riday, December 01, 2006 7:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
There's no license fees if you're buying routerboards for Mikrotik.
Also, add 2.4 cards (SR2) and cabling / antenna at each client, and
you've
now built
a mesh, so to
y
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:20 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA]
: 650.641.1243
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
I would be extremely interested in your $250 solution if it
y
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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lvarion, Inc.
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Vonage: 650.641.1243
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But is
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under the
AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing
flame suit now)
- Patrick
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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Exactly, after you add the rootenna, you ar
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:
Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE
(under the AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing to piece things
together so the points of failure risk and truck roll is both much
smaller, not to mention a warranty and domestic supply a
r stuff is also all fully FCC
> legal.
>
> (donning flame suit now)
>
> - Patrick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:51 AM
> To: WISPA General List
>
SR9 on WAR at 5MHz is about 6Mb
Tom DeReggi wrote:
We are finding that for most of the OEM 900 product though, best case
speed gets close to 1mbps on a 5mhz channel.
So Trango, is still our dominent choice, from towers,m where we do not
need the flexibility and low cost of relaying.
--
WISPA W
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Exactly, after you add the rootenna, you are at $348, plus
International
Shipping charges (if in US).
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From:
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
> http://www.star-v3.com/store/
>
> $262 ea in ten packs + roo.
>
> Rick Smith wrote:
>> Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ?
>> Wha
;
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
http://www.star-v3.com/store/
$262 ea in ten packs + roo.
Rick Smith wrote:
Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ?
What kind of pricing per "CPE"
I'm looking
Frank at Pasadena Networks has stock and good pricing on the SR9s.
And yes we are paying $350-$389 for the gear based on quantity.
Which is still the lowest cost 900SU solution so far, every thing included.
I don't believe anybody has broke the $300 barrier except on large quantity.
If they have
http://www.star-v3.com/store/
$262 ea in ten packs + roo.
Rick Smith wrote:
Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ?
What kind of pricing per "CPE"
I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each for a
rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112
Anyone
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Rick Smith wrote:
Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ?
What kind of pricing per "CPE"
I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each
for a rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112
Anyone see anything different ?
While I am n
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