Re: [313] The epistemology of techno
Well, duh. Re: what is the definition of techno? One has to ask first, what is a definition? A definition is a label attached to a phenomena and it does not convey any attributes other than those relevant for the phenomenon under examination to have discriminative validity (I choose not to engage in the raging parsimony debate of definitions and axioms here). In order for a definition to have meaning, it has to be universally agreed upon by the relevant actors. For these actors, such a definition has utilitarian value. This value consists for instance of reduced communicational ambiguities by creating a body of knowledge that can subsequently be used for further advancements and refinements of the original concept (see also note 1). Note that a definition cannot be true or false, for any potential falsification process would consist entirely of (non-)acceptance by the relevant actors and thus cannot be considered a falsification process in the strict Popperian sense, since for all practical purposes, the definition acceptance process makes definitions more akin to axioms, which by definition cannot be falsified. The acceptance process by the relevant actors is rarely explicit and can be best understood as an implicitly socially constructed process between the relevant actors. However, quite often it is not *all* relevant actors whose actions are consequential in this process, but only a nucleolus of actors with a high network centrality whose actions constitute milestones in the definitional acceptance process. Yet rarely are such actions effective immediately, given their dependency on the receiving parties' attitude and reaction, thus rendering any decision process by the nucleolic actors regarding their intended actions in this process boundedly rational. The highly amorphous nature of this definitional acceptance process makes tracing and explicitizing it a problem of an intractible nature. Hence, the social constructivist paradigm argues that there does not exist a universal definition of any phenomenon, since the social circumstances are not constant, yet they are crucial to the definition acceptance process. This implies that definitions are potentially subject to variations over time, thus contradicting the single most essential aspect of a definition: its universal consistency through time and space. When taken to the extreme, this paradigm implies that as many definitions can exist as there are actors and even the staunchest social constructivists have realized that this is an untenable position from a realistic point of view. To avoid this, they have utilized the concept of the Anthropic Principle, which in its original form can be stated as: A phenomenon is the way it is, because we are there to observe it in that way. This establishes an explicit, irrevocable causal link between the phenomenon, the observer and the observation method, a link that is an anathema to the positivistic paradigm (note the interesting parallel with the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the controversy that arose when it was first proposed). An important corollary of the Anthropic Principle is that, because observer and observation method matter, once an observer starts to describe the phenomenon under observation, there is inherently a loss of information about the phenomenon because a different observer, using a different observation method, would describe the phenomenon differently. Note that this does not render any such descriptive definition invalid from a practical standpoint, given the socially constructed process of defining. However, it does mean that no single observer (and by consequence, any finite number of observers) can theoretically arrive at a complete definition, since the process of defining inherently involves a descriptive reduction, thus rendering any definition inexorably incomplete. If we apply this to the definition of 'techno', it means that although a common understanding of 'techno' has emerged (in other words: the definition acceptance process has converged), articulating that definition would immediately destroy the richness of the implicit definition of 'techno', thus invalidating the question What is techno?. QED Otto PS: Note 1) A more malicious view would be that definitions are often used to obfuscate reality, thus creating a halo of perceived expertise around those who use those definitions, even though their expertise is based solely on linguistical dexterity and not on a conceptual understanding of the phenomenon under investigation. Obviously I do not subscribe to such a view. PS: Note 2) Yes, I am taking the piss. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] what is techno
Look, I am gonna humbly try to answer Dustin's question in the name of closure and moving on. Dustin, I am hoping that by posting this you will stick with your agreement and let us do this. The reason why people have trouble defining 'techno' is that, while it has become universal, it exists simultaneously in a specific cultural context. Also it is not merely a form of music but rather one driven by an intellectual, philosophical and spiritual impulse. What's more, somewhat paradoxically, Detroit's techno auteurs - Juan, Derrick and Kevin - were consciously making a music that resisted definition. This is why the (American) mainstream cannot cope with it as the music is so radical that it disrupts its rigid social codes. It is a truly underground music form. Counter-cultural. A lot of this music's power is intuitive; you feel it. Listen to your heart; listen to your soul. Once you understand the cultural context and circumstances that gave birth to this wonderful music you will understand the distinction between 'techno' and what we recognise as 'trance' and the aversion that many within this music scene have to 'trance'. There is nothing wrong with liking trance but at least then you will understand why discussing it isn't appropriate here. It's a respect value more than about taste. It's deep and complex, and that is how it is meant to be, and I would feel presumptuous in trying to explain it myself here but I will guide you to where you can readily find this knowledge: (1) Dan Sicko's book Techno Rebels explains the cultural context. (2) Any interviews with techno's auteurs - especially Derrick May. Derrick is a very articulate and intelligent and passionate individual and not afraid to voice an opinion. If there is anyone who can really sum up the impulse behind this music, it's him. Likewise Juan, he's the Godfather, also Jeff Mills, and there are others. There are plenty of interviews on line and there have been some good ones over the years in the international press, too. (3) Carefully read the posts of those from Detroit, those who went to the Music Institute, etc - they are/were there, they know about the roots. They are the source. The teachers. Finally, some wise words from Jeff Mills: Why some people think Techno should be definite is a mystery. Perhaps they categorise for convenience. One thing that Techno has brought, is that there is nothing wrong with not understanding something. This I think is the origin of many of mankind's problems. This is not an answer, it's a guide. Peace Cyclone
Re: [313] The epistemology of techno
1) I ask that we please have this posted to the 313 FAQ, if it ever was created, for any future such unfortunate events. I think Otto would have just earned visiting professor status @ the Wayne State institute for electronic music if such a think existed. 2) I hope everyone saw Otto's note PS: Note 2) Yes, I am taking the piss. 3) I will be staring a new email list for likeminded thinkers: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New Album, Québécois, online now. -Original Message- From: Otto Koppius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 4:52 PM Subject: [313] The epistemology of techno Re: what is the definition of techno? One has to ask first, what is a definition? A definition is a label attached to a phenomena and it does not convey any attributes other than those relevant for the phenomenon under examination to have discriminative validity (I choose not to engage in the raging parsimony debate of definitions and axioms here). In order for a definition to have meaning, it has to be universally agreed upon by the relevant actors. For these actors, such a definition has utilitarian value. This value consists for instance of reduced communicational ambiguities by creating a body of knowledge that can subsequently be used for further advancements and refinements of the original concept (see also note 1). Note that a definition cannot be true or false, for any potential falsification process would consist entirely of (non-)acceptance by the relevant actors and thus cannot be considered a falsification process in the strict Popperian sense, since for all practical purposes, the definition acceptance process makes definitions more akin to axioms, which by definition cannot be falsified. The acceptance process by the relevant actors is rarely explicit and can be best understood as an implicitly socially constructed process between the relevant actors. However, quite often it is not *all* relevant actors whose actions are consequential in this process, but only a nucleolus of actors with a high network centrality whose actions constitute milestones in the definitional acceptance process. Yet rarely are such actions effective immediately, given their dependency on the receiving parties' attitude and reaction, thus rendering any decision process by the nucleolic actors regarding their intended actions in this process boundedly rational. The highly amorphous nature of this definitional acceptance process makes tracing and explicitizing it a problem of an intractible nature. Hence, the social constructivist paradigm argues that there does not exist a universal definition of any phenomenon, since the social circumstances are not constant, yet they are crucial to the definition acceptance process. This implies that definitions are potentially subject to variations over time, thus contradicting the single most essential aspect of a definition: its universal consistency through time and space. When taken to the extreme, this paradigm implies that as many definitions can exist as there are actors and even the staunchest social constructivists have realized that this is an untenable position from a realistic point of view. To avoid this, they have utilized the concept of the Anthropic Principle, which in its original form can be stated as: A phenomenon is the way it is, because we are there to observe it in that way. This establishes an explicit, irrevocable causal link between the phenomenon, the observer and the observation method, a link that is an anathema to the positivistic paradigm (note the interesting parallel with the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the controversy that arose when it was first proposed). An important corollary of the Anthropic Principle is that, because observer and observation method matter, once an observer starts to describe the phenomenon under observation, there is inherently a loss of information about the phenomenon because a different observer, using a different observation method, would describe the phenomenon differently. Note that this does not render any such descriptive definition invalid from a practical standpoint, given the socially constructed process of defining. However, it does mean that no single observer (and by consequence, any finite number of observers) can theoretically arrive at a complete definition, since the process of defining inherently involves a descriptive reduction, thus rendering any definition inexorably incomplete. If we apply this to the definition of 'techno', it means that although a common understanding of 'techno' has emerged (in other words: the definition acceptance process has converged), articulating that definition would immediately destroy the richness of the implicit definition of 'techno', thus invalidating the question What is
Inaudible Reminder...
Just a quick note to remind you of tonight's Inaudible Radio/Webcast which will be broadcasting this evening from 9-11 pm Eastern Standard Time. To listen over the internet visit http://www.wcsb.org at 9 pm and click on the Click here for Audioactive Feed link. If you are in the Cleveland area you can tune in by setting your radio to 89.3 fm. Hope you'll all tune in! ---Lance--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
Re: [313] turntables
I was just wounderingdoes anyone in the Detroit/Ann Arbor area have any turntables they want to get rid of? - Christos MichalakisI'm a Canadian. Its kind of like an American, [EMAIL PROTECTED]except without the gun. (734) 622-8398-David Foley - I've been looking for some original transmat and metroplex releases, sealed preferably. Anyone looking to get rid of some? Old Eminem freestyle cassette's are worth a lot on Ebay if anybody wants to give me some of those too. jason (just busting yer balls christos)
Monetary value of record
Does anybody know the value of an original pressing of Techno! The New Dance Sound of Detroit? I mean, the street value, what it would sell for in a shop in the USA (like Submerge)? I have a copy...it was a gift from a very good friend, and no, I'm not looking to sell it. I just want to know the value of it (please Dustin, no pseudo-intellectual discussions about *value*) so I can alert my insurance representative if need be. Oh...yeah it's really god, though I rarely play it. FMcMurry Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [313] what is techno
uncontrollable urge to jack off??? i think that is what you ment... i'm all smiles :) jeff THOU SHALT REMEMBER THE FUNK AND KEEP IT HOLY -George Clinton -Original Message- From: glyn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 1:44 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] what is techno techno is an uncontrollable urge to jack your bo... oh wait glyn
Carlos Souffront Track ID Please
I just listened to all four Carlos Souffront sets, and they are as good as what I remember hearing of them. Can anyone ID the track 13 minutes into the 4th part? Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New Album, Québécois, online now. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [313] Monetary value of record
on 6/14/00 9:49 PM, FRED MCMURRY at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know the value of an original pressing of Techno! The New Dance Sound of Detroit? I mean, the street value, what it would sell for in a shop in the USA (like Submerge)? Good question. Can anyone with an informed answer please reply to the list? -- There4IM
6/14/2k Inaudible Radio/Webcast Setlist...
6/14/2k Inaudible Radio/Webcast Setlist... 9-10 pm by lance... . Ocone: fourteen heavens in all (Toshoklabs) . BrothamStates: not kava (Kracfive) . Lazyfish: fat angles (Art-Tek) . Softice: incomplete transmission (Ionized) . Pliant: forest cake (Systorm) . Code C: nebula/logiq remix (Component) . Quant: nelly disco (Dot) . Supersoul: soma-rasa (Metatronik) . Tleilaxu: organisism (Sonic Soul) . Bauri: #6 (Benbecula) . T Miller: cicada (Mad Monkey/Tektite) . Thug: forgive me for wanting... (Splashdown) . Patio: behind bike sheds (Involve) . Goodiepal: steuea (V/vm) . Full Swing: summer (Orthlorng Musork) 10-11 pm by john c... . Phillipe Cam: mixte (Traum) . Phillipe Cam: caddie's day/salz remix 1 (Traum) . Joachim Spieth: flucht punkt b2 (Onitor) . Markus Nikolai: shake (Perlon) . Klettermax: a3 - 6 3/4 a (Bruchstuecke) . Safety Scissors: flopper matters (Force Tracks) . James Ruskin: from over the edge (Tresor) . Oliver Ho: in the centre of paradise (Meta) . Hardcell: female voice/bryan zentz remix (Zync) . Dub-Tech Soundsystem: sugar rush (Intrinsic Design) . 3st vs Dash: you know? beats (Ramped) . Lo Soul: lies/herbert remix (Playhouse) . Sand 11: yeah yeah yeah/donna regina remix (Ladomat 2000) Thanks to everyone who tuned in. See you next week same time url or place on the dial. ---Lance--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
Re: [313] Mixed Up in the Hague Vol. 1
At 12:13 PM -0400 6/14/00, Peter B Leidy wrote: go to http://fly.to/panamamix this has the complete artist/title listing, but no labels. ps, shortly after this came out, clone had a new white label stocked w/ numberofnames:sharevari and charlie:spacerwoman- both of which were in the i-f mix. Fascinating. Does the white label you mention have the vocal version of Sharevari or the instrumental? I finally got a hold of my own copy of Mixed Up in the Hague and think it's brilliantly put together. cheers -- Matt MacQueen http://www.reverbmag.com radio show archives in real audio -- http://macqueen.com/radio
Re: [313] Monetary value of record
i play blake's ride 'em boy quite often. btw i found the record in a local second hand record shop, and i bought it for 2$ ;-) christian bloch www.mp3.com/bloch tresor/LL/funque droppings/simple muzik On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, FRED MCMURRY wrote: Does anybody know the value of an original pressing of Techno! The New Dance Sound of Detroit? I mean, the street value, what it would sell for in a shop in the USA (like Submerge)? I have a copy...it was a gift from a very good friend, and no, I'm not looking to sell it. I just want to know the value of it (please Dustin, no pseudo-intellectual discussions about *value*) so I can alert my insurance representative if need be. Oh...yeah it's really god, though I rarely play it. FMcMurry Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \()/ funque droppings \/ christian bloch : label manager /\ www.mp3.com/bloch /__\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Monetary value of record
Fred wrote: Does anybody know the value of an original pressing of Techno! The New Dance Sound of Detroit? I mean, the street value, what it would sell for in a shop in the USA... Street value? Hmmm... If we could side-step the manufacturers and take the pure product... simplify the formula... maybe cut it with some acid and FX, package it nicely... give it a new name... We could make millions!:) ~Askew Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Monetary value of record
Does anybody know the value of an original pressing of Techno! The New Dance Sound of Detroit? I mean, the street value, what it would sell for in a shop in the USA (like Submerge)? Good question. Can anyone with an informed answer please reply to the list? I picked up a copy quite a few months ago. Can't remember exact price - I think at most it was about UKP15, probably less? Think Rob Webb found that one for me. Also picked up Techno 2 compilation, mint, with promo inserts and reaction sheet for a similar price. In general, fewer people (in the UK) seem to be collecting the older Detroit techno records. I picked up this Derrick May 2x12 one-sided remix pack for about UKP4 the other day. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Mixed Up in the Hague Vol. 1
Matt MacQueen wrote: ps, shortly after this came out, clone had a new white label stocked w/ numberofnames:sharevari and charlie:spacerwoman- both of which were in the i-f mix. Fascinating. Does the white label you mention have the vocal version of Sharevari or the instrumental? The vocal version. I don't know if they still have any left, but http://www.clone.nl should have the answer. Otto
Re: [313] Thomas Heckmann: the biography
Thomas Heckmann is one of the first german Techno producer. He was one of the first Force Inc artist (as Exit100) with guys like Alec Empire, Wolgang Voigt (Mike Ink), Ian Pooley... than he created the famous Trope label and made the cult trance hit Amphetamin. He has been produced with many pseudonym like Exit100, Age, Silent Breed, Drax... respect u f --- Jason Stanley Birchmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just started listening to the above listed CD and am loving it. Very driving techno with hard percussion and swirling synths that pull you in. I'm frustrated though. I know nothing about this guy and found that Force Inc's artist link is not working. Can anyone share a bit about this guy? One of the descriptions listed his style of music as Sagezahn. That is a new term for me. Anyone wish to share their knowledge? thanks Jason Birchmeier - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
[313] S�gezahn
The Sägezahn sound wasn't create from Thomas Heckmann, aber von W. Voigt aka Mike Ink with release like Strass on Force Inc (1998!) and the some on his label Auftrieb. That's a revival from the famous Cologne Structure sound. respect u f __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
Acacia..
... is Kelli Hand label, just picked an Acacia Classics Volume One CD, and wondered where I could find more information on this artist and her label ? Gwendal PS : and BTW, how would you guys define techno ? oops, sorry... but I just can't help but find the Dustin thread quite funny, seems to me Techno has always been a very broad genre encompassing (among others) trance, gabber, drum'n bass, big beat... OK, never mind
dustin
I only take 313-digest so I can't really filter Dustin out. Look, if dustin doesn't have the decency to just fuck off, is there any way we can filter him from digest / de-list him / discreetly kill him. He's boring the shit out of me... what is techno??!! grow up lad. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Detroit comps
Just for the sake of it, I have tried to sum up all recommendations for Detroit comps... Gwendal Detroit: Beyond The Third Wave Detroit: The Deeper Shade of Techno I+II True People from Detroit (Reactivate) Geology on Planet E DJ Rolando's Aztec Mix CD on Underground Resistance Derrick May: Innovator 2CD (Transmat) Model 500: Classics (RS) Kevin Saunderson: Faces and Phases 2CD (Planet E) John Beltran: Earth Nightfall (RS) Underground Resistance: Revolution For Change (Network) The Martian: LBK-6251876 (Red Planet) Carl Craig: Landcruising (Blanco Y Negro) Drexciya: The Quest (Submerge) Moodymann: A Silent Introduction (Planet E) Theo Parrish: Sound Signature (Sound Signature) X-101: Sonic Destroyer (Tresor) Origins of a Sound (Submerge) Depth Charge 1 (Submerge) DJ Rolando: The Aztec Mystic Mix (Underground Resistance) Direct Beat (430 West artists, Aux 88, DJ D'Jital, etc.) Chain Reaction's Compiled (feat. Scion, Porter Ricks, Substance,etc.) Strangely Arranged (Communique Records)
Re: Zägezahn
Hi AFAIK Sägezahn refers to first of course the waveform secondly a revival of a certain german(?) sound from 94(?); since the first Strass record (by MikeInk) on FIM in 98 it has kind of exploded, at least in germany, and has become a sub-genre, exploited especially by Heckmann and FIM but also by MikeInk himself (Auftrieb). Once there came out a FIM labelsampler mixed by Rush consisting entirely of sägezahn. Altough initially intendet as tongue-in-cheek by MInk (watch out for his jokes!) the whole thing was taken quiet/too seriously after a while and IMHO became an escape-route out of a creativity-standstill for some. MInk (last time i mention him) offered in his late Freiland releases a more demanding (and funky) and less trancey approach to this concept of body-music. Nowadays it has already faded away on the whole, but it also has spread in some ways. For example you may hear some reminisences of zägezahn coming out of Bristol or in various electro-trax (Antarctica... anyone wants to drop a comment on this one?) Porter Ricks was sägezahn avant la lettre. one could say that Dusty Cabinets by Th Parrish (hellova track!!) is in some ways sägezahnish, but thats a bit far out and afterall i dont want to start it all over again, i shed no tears over this bugger dustin. Keepitup and staydown armin i'm missing Alan Oldham
Fwd: UK : The Flow, London tonight
Very short notice but if you're in London tonight (15.6.2000), check this out. Message: We've got a question for you: where can you find in London a night that plays trks from the likes of Detrechno, Upstart, Hipnotech, UR, Mark Taylor, Juan, Hydraulic Records, Shake, Goalline Detroit... and then cuts this shit up with pay-off tracks like Luke, Mannie Fresh, Swizz Beats, Sisqo, Timbo, Mobb Deep and then does a whole bunch of stuff that people aint never heard but their bodies know its bangin shit? A. The Flow Event # 5 House | RB | Bass | Detroit The Annexe 1 Dean St. W1 London 7pm to 2am Tonight : 15 June 2000 Free until 11 then £5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
sound stream label
not entirely sure who it's by, but there's also two sound-hack records you should check by the same artist. no info on the label, but both that same cut-up housey stuff, cool as f**k, especially the first. Seth The Electric Press p.s. anyone seen the R.N.G. album, or know when it's being released? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
I think it's over......
Finally, 313 peace and quite...
Re: [313] Detroit comps
--- Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chain Reaction's Compiled (feat. Scion, Porter Ricks, Substance,etc.) Chain Reaction is the sound of Berlin and not a Detroit comp. respect u f __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
Re: [313] What is reality?
Hmmm, Dustin did go a bit over the top. Maybe she's not happy in life. Personally, I don't give a sh*t about anyones opinions on trance or the meaning of techno or such blarney. It's like the meaning of life. Once you've found it there is no point living anymore. The meaning of techno is constantly shifting, everyone feels differently about it. You can't really say Chris Liberator and Claude Young stand for the same thing. Genre's suck, it's up to us to feel the music. Just do what you want... I think Dustin is most likely still at high school and probably gets picked on a lot. Just don't go shoot anybody okay? I'm just gonna ignore her, maybe she'll go away... I've never really agreed with Dustin's comments but I thought being nasty about her wasn't the right thing to do which is why I retaliated the way I did. However, her posts have got completely ridiculous over the past 24 hrs and my advice to her is to get out a bit more instead of sitting in front of a computer, arguing with professionals about something you obviously know little or f*ck all about. In short, grow up... Thank you, Nick (Dj Pacific:) Ps. Has she been kicked off? She hasn't posted anything for, ummm, at least 20 mins!!! Maybe she's taking breakfast or something?? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a simple rule when dealing with someone online who is doing an uncanny impersonation of a write-only infobot. The temptation is very great to engage them on their terms. Do not do this. Eventually they will start being conversational, or go away. phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
walter gibbons
any comments on how this guy pioneered the art of dj'ing, moved on to be the first dj/producer and then released the seminal, stripped-down classic set it off'? i have a salsoul lp with him doing mixes back in 77...
Saber
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:46:29 +1000 To: 313@hyperreal.org From: ea rinon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Phortune (was forcefield paradise) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Saber is from chicago! the compilation you are talking about the definitive story - chicago house 86-91 4 x lp came out under Saber but in reality was done by the guys from Beechwood Music who were responsible for the New Electronica compilations back in the day,yes in England i think this was due to Angie her Trax uk runing around the same time It was compiled (in conjuction with us)and released by Beechwood. We had rights to some of the tracks, so Beechwood licensed them from us and the rest from Larry (Saber). Angie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Betr.: [313] walter gibbons
Just read Last night a DJ seved my life by Bill Brewster/ Frank Broughton, they cover that part extensively! W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15-06-2000 13:09:11 any comments on how this guy pioneered the art of dj'ing, moved on to be the first dj/producer and then released the seminal, stripped-down classic set it off'? i have a salsoul lp with him doing mixes back in 77... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] walter gibbons
any comments on how this guy pioneered the art of dj'ing, moved on to be the first dj/producer and then released the seminal, stripped-down classic set it off'? Check http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amgsql=B182862 for a Walter Gibbons bio... .John.
606 stuff - unrelated topic
Greetings from the electronic underworld::. A bit ago we were all talking about the TR-808 and its other options, I mentioned I do TR-606 modifications and got quite a few replies regarding that. Regretfully, my computer was killed, and I lost all my email. If you were one of those that asked me for information regarding my modifications, please write me again. Thanks, I apalogize for the unrelated topic post :micho ::.:::.:.:::..:..:::.::.:::.:.::..::.:.:..: visuals ~ experimental audio ~ toy - instrument expansion ...:::.:.:::.:.:::.:.:..:...:.:...:::.:.:...:.::.:.::.. ::create : recreate : alter::: ::synthetic - detroit ::detronik contact info::.:.::..:. t: 313.850.7345 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.mp3.com/detronik Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [313] walter gibbons
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [313] walter gibbons i have a salsoul lp with him doing mixes back in 77... Is this the Lp with loads of 70's shoes dancing around? If so, it's chockfull of sampliable loops. Excellent LP and well worth tracking down. Matt.
Re: [313] Monetary value of record
Fred (and 313): I just went through a similar thing with my insurance rep. Initially they were able to give me a bulk guess-ta-mate rate..i.e. i told them how much i thought my collection was worth..i valued every record i had at 5 bucks a pop... meaning i put a value of 20K. then i added 5K for rarity selections... to put the total value at 25K. they were comfortable with this until their higher ups made them look into it... now it gets nasty... i am technicallyy still covered for 25K worth of records..(acutally i pay for 35K so that over the next year..as my collection grows...i will still be covered...cost: extra 10 bucks a year). so their higher ups are forcing me to create a database of ALL of my records. including estimated cost. for now.. they took pictures of my studio and my crates/shelves/boxes/piles but i have 4 months to create the database for them. (and it will be online soon too!..) other people ive spoken to have different tales of insurance reps... some require the database upfront...some dont require it at all... mine would not have required it..except 1/2 my policy is based on the vinyl collection...*shrug* good luck. these people suck. -mike Does anybody know the value of an original pressing of Techno! The New Dance Sound of Detroit? I mean, the street value, what it would sell for in a shop in the USA (like Submerge)? I have a copy...it was a gift from a very good friend, and no, I'm not looking to sell it. I just want to know the value of it (please Dustin, no pseudo-intellectual discussions about *value*) so I can alert my insurance representative if need be. Oh...yeah it's really god, though I rarely play it. FMcMurry Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] urban tribe...
Hi, I have to agree with the comments about the Urban Tribe album (prior to the recent mailstorm). I have to confess that I never gave it the full attention it deserved when I first bought it (hangs head in shame), but the more I've listened to it over time, the more I've come to appreciate it and feel quite how deep it really goes. Definitely one of my favourite purchases last year that's never far from the stereo. Also I recently bought a compilation (Freezone 3) that features Claude Young's Multiplicity Of Zeros and Ones. I am completely in awe of this track, and feel that I must have been hiding under a stone some place to have overlooked it ! I was already impressed at what an impressive DJ, and really personable guy he is, but the fact he can he can make electronic soul like this is breathtaking. Any hints as to what else I should be looking out for from Claude would be really appreciated. I'm still learning, thanks 313. :-) sImon Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] Detroit comps
At Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:04:05 +0200, Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the sake of it, I have tried to sum up all recommendations for Detroit comps... Detroit: The Deeper Shade of Techno I+II This is a sweet set - geddit! ;) DJ Rolando's Aztec Mix CD on Underground Resistance DJ Rolando: The Aztec Mystic Mix (Underground Resistance) These are the same, no? Derrick May: Innovator 2CD (Transmat) Perhaps the MixUp! mix cd too? There's more than just detroit represented on that CD, but... I'd also suggest: Jeff Mills - Live from the Liquid Room Purpose Maker Compilation Stacy Pullen DJ Kicks mix CD Common Factor : Dreams from Elsewhere both Octave One comps (were they released on CD?) the Jason Hodges (sp?) comp That's all that my pre-noon mind can conjure up. Hope that helps. Tom IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are not using HushMail, this message could have been read easily by the many people who have access to your open personal email messages. Get your FREE, totally secure email address at http://www.hushmail.com.
Re: [313] The epistemology of techno
The first bit seems to be in English Otto, but did you lapse into Dutch as you went on? A less discursive explication would be this: Words are signs to which we consensually attach meaning, as Roland Barthes was on about for so long. Barthes' contention was that control of the language is power, in that the controller of language can take a symbol/word and pour whatever meaning they want into it. He was talking about government propaganda, but in the brave capitalist future, the power of marketing and advertising overwhelms traditional nationalism completely -- people pledge allegiance to Tommy Hilfiger and Budweiser, not to the flag. For that matter Tommy Hilfiger has appropriated the American Flag and turned it into his marketing standard. 'Techno' as a term had a very specific association to the people who first used it to describe their music; for 313 initiates the term has broadened to include a lot of music that bears little resemblance to the original music. That's OK by me -- Jay Denham and Surgeons bangin stuff is at least influenced by and respectful of the originators. More disturbing to me is the way 'techno' has been appropriated as a marketing label that encompasses a lot of really revolting stuff, and THAT stuff is what the uninitiated think of when you say techno. I can't imagine a wider contrast than that between 2Unlimited and Ace of Base and I Believe and No UFOs. A similar thing happened in the 90s with the term 'alternative' which was a tag that was used to indicate a lot of really creative DIY music and record labels, before it became a marketing term after Nirvana blew up. The term 'alternative' now makes me cringe, and we've never really came up with a new term to tag that music that hasn't yet been co-opted. Oh well... kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Detroit comps
I'd also suggest: Jeff Mills - Live from the Liquid Room Purpose Maker Compilation Stacy Pullen DJ Kicks mix CD Common Factor : Dreams from Elsewhere both Octave One comps (were they released on CD?) the Jason Hodges (sp?) comp Intergalactic Beats on Planet E, a definitive must-have... Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.TV-99-AD.com/hans/ http://TechnoTourist.org/
RE: [313] The epistemology of techno
Even broader, communication is the art and language is one of many media available. However, communication happens only on the part of the recipient, thus meaning is only assigned by the listener (or viewer or taster etc.) guided by genetics, social interaction, weather, mood, time of day, etc. The beauty of music is how it is so undefinable what the definition or rather meaning of it is, however the effect it has on us. This list is direct evidence that we share that. I think BMG put it in perspective best when we were talking about Aphex Twin's Picture Disk (HMNE/Joyrex J9ii, I think... HP can help me out w/that one ;). The conclusion was that it was so incredibly aggressive and unrestrained that it invoked so many emotions that it became frustrating. Not that the emotions were frustrating, but rather that there was nothing that could quite top it (musically), nothing that would surpass that particular degree of provocation. Bringing the point that the effect of music is some thing in tune with (bad pun) language, but by way of a different media and thus a different type of cognitive thought. Language is interesting, but music is seductive, provocative, aggressive, etc. more to the point emotionally inciting. A picture is worth a thousand words. A song must be worth at least 1,000 times that. Scott Sorry about the rambling, but I'm listening to Autechre (ep7)...
RE: [313] The epistemology of techno
Even broader, communication is the art and language is one of many media available. However, communication happens only on the part of the recipient, thus meaning is only assigned by the listener (or viewer or taster etc.) guided by genetics, social interaction, weather, mood, time of day, etc. The beauty of music is how it is so undefinable what the definition or rather meaning of it is, however the effect it has on us. This list is direct evidence that we share that. I think BMG put it in perspective best when we were talking about Aphex Twin's Picture Disk (HMNE/Joyrex J9ii, I think... HP can help me out w/that one ;). The conclusion was that it was so incredibly aggressive and unrestrained that it invoked so many emotions that it became frustrating. Not that the emotions were frustrating, but rather that there was nothing that could quite top it (musically), nothing that would surpass that particular degree of provocation. Bringing the point that the effect of music is some thing in tune with (bad pun) language, but by way of a different media and thus a different type of cognitive thought. Language is interesting, but music is seductive, provocative, aggressive, etc. more to the point emotionally inciting. A picture is worth a thousand words. A song must be worth at least 1,000 times that. Scott Sorry about the rambling, but I'm listening to Autechre (ep7)...
Re: [313] Mixed Up in the Hague Vol. 1
ps, shortly after this came out, clone had a new white label stocked w/ numberofnames:sharevari and charlie:spacerwoman- both of which were in the i-f mix. Fascinating. Does the white label you mention have the vocal version of Sharevari or the instrumental? I finally got a hold of my own copy of Mixed Up in the Hague and think it's brilliantly put together. I just got my copy of this white label in the mail yesterday. Its the vocal version of sharevari- totally bootleg, you can even hear a couple little pops from the vinyl- but overall decent quality. In addition to that and spacerwoman, theres two other 80's trax on the 12 that are decent but I have no idea what they are. maybe i'll put them in a mix so you all can id them for me :] one of them has an almost hot butter:popcorn 'esqe keyboard thing going on but in a more 80's disco vain. hmm.. ps- i agree on the i-f mix, have been listening to it regularly for the past two weeks. very nice :] p
Re: [313] Monetary value of record
In a message dated 6/15/00 12:10:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good question. Can anyone with an informed answer please reply to the list? I got $50 in trade for the first two Techno! comps (originals) put together, which is like 30% of what I got for Hangable Auto Bulb 2: I guess 313 rarities don't attract the suburban mom's wallet crowd. Matt
Mix-n-Match FS
I need money - this stuff is all in super great condition. Some Acid, a little classic Rave, DnB other mix-n-match styles I put up last night onto Ebay (user jbeuckm): http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItemsuserid=jbeuckm I also have a 1200 for sale and a couple sure sc-35c's. I wanna sell the 12 in St. Louis so STL folks please contact me 241-5632. What's up with t-shirts again? Thankyou / hope your birthday was techno Dale. -Joe Beuckman Let's put the Dust in Dustin Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Fwd:Re: [313] Ritchie Hawtin
sorry for the late replay... You guys are just bitter cause he's Canadian. Rich. On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:57:06 GMT 0 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, he doesent always have the funk (but sometimes he does), and I dont think thats his main focus either. He's on a different mission in my opionion, and when it comes to painting distant, cold, alien soundscapes no one can compare. It's all been done before!! Theres plenty of 'industrial' shit knocking about! Proper Coldness! Theres no real attituide there in Ritchies stuff.. Some of the FUSE stuff was OK, but when I heard 'Smak' I was hoping that he wasn't referring to the drug, that would of been a JOKE! zip Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Email, News, Links and The Best Selection at http://AnimeNation.com
Re: [313] Fwd:Re: [313] Ritchie Hawtin
I'm Canadian, and I'm the one who started the thread!! May I also remind you that Ritchie had 'the future sound of Detroit' inscribed on plus 8 001. He was born in England anyways. So there you go figure out who should be bitter now. todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rich Neal wrote: sorry for the late replay... You guys are just bitter cause he's Canadian. Rich. On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:57:06 GMT 0 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, he doesent always have the funk (but sometimes he does), and I dont think thats his main focus either. He's on a different mission in my opionion, and when it comes to painting distant, cold, alien soundscapes no one can compare. It's all been done before!! Theres plenty of 'industrial' shit knocking about! Proper Coldness! Theres no real attituide there in Ritchies stuff.. Some of the FUSE stuff was OK, but when I heard 'Smak' I was hoping that he wasn't referring to the drug, that would of been a JOKE! zip Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Email, News, Links and The Best Selection at http://AnimeNation.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fwd:Re: [313] Ritchie Hawtin
Why should that make anyone bitter? Windsor is closer to downtown Detroit than most of Detroit itself. And Belleville is a hell of a lot farther away from Detroit-- over 30 minutes away. It's just a river... Dale At 12:42 PM 6/15/00 -0700, you wrote: I'm Canadian, and I'm the one who started the thread!! May I also remind you that Ritchie had 'the future sound of Detroit' inscribed on plus 8 001. He was born in England anyways. So there you go figure out who should be bitter now. todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rich Neal wrote: sorry for the late replay... You guys are just bitter cause he's Canadian. Rich. On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:57:06 GMT 0 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, he doesent always have the funk (but sometimes he does), and I dont think thats his main focus either. He's on a different mission in my opionion, and when it comes to painting distant, cold, alien soundscapes no one can compare. It's all been done before!! Theres plenty of 'industrial' shit knocking about! Proper Coldness! Theres no real attituide there in Ritchies stuff.. Some of the FUSE stuff was OK, but when I heard 'Smak' I was hoping that he wasn't referring to the drug, that would of been a JOKE! zip Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Email, News, Links and The Best Selection at http://AnimeNation.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd:Re: [313] Fwd:Re: [313] Ritchie Hawtin
Whoah whoah...I actually know you are canadian, I've seen you play in toronto a few times. Actually, I remember when you played shift I think it was...lots of Carola from his 1000 collection release. It was especially nice to hear rebound...ahhh, refreshing. Anyways, relax man, I was just trying to be a goof. No need for such hostility. Rich. On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:42:17 -0700 Todd Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm Canadian, and I'm the one who started the thread!! May I also remind you that Ritchie had 'the future sound of Detroit' inscribed on plus 8 001. He was born in England anyways. So there you go figure out who should be bitter now. todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rich Neal wrote: sorry for the late replay... You guys are just bitter cause he's Canadian. Rich. On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:57:06 GMT 0 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, he doesent always have the funk (but sometimes he does), and I dont think thats his main focus either. He's on a different mission in my opionion, and when it comes to painting distant, cold, alien soundscapes no one can compare. It's all been done before!! Theres plenty of 'industrial' shit knocking about! Proper Coldness! Theres no real attituide there in Ritchies stuff.. Some of the FUSE stuff was OK, but when I heard 'Smak' I was hoping that he wasn't referring to the drug, that would of been a JOKE! zip Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Email, News, Links and The Best Selection at http://AnimeNation.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Email, News, Links and The Best Selection at http://AnimeNation.com
Re: Fwd:Re: [313] Fwd:Re: [313] Ritchie Hawtin
Oops must have forgotten the smiley faces, here we go :) Just wanted to provoke some conversation about origin of music, but I guess everyone is still in fear after the 'Dustin' incident. Let us never speak of it again. You sure it wasn't Order (Ruskin, Surgeon Regis) that I played all that Carola stuff at? Thanks for remembering though, it was nice to play for that many people. Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rich Neal wrote: Whoah whoah...I actually know you are canadian, I've seen you play in toronto a few times. Actually, I remember when you played shift I think it was...lots of Carola from his 1000 collection release. It was especially nice to hear rebound...ahhh, refreshing. Anyways, relax man, I was just trying to be a goof. No need for such hostility. Rich. On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:42:17 -0700 Todd Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm Canadian, and I'm the one who started the thread!! May I also remind you that Ritchie had 'the future sound of Detroit' inscribed on plus 8 001. He was born in England anyways. So there you go figure out who should be bitter now. todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rich Neal wrote: sorry for the late replay... You guys are just bitter cause he's Canadian. Rich. On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:57:06 GMT 0 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, he doesent always have the funk (but sometimes he does), and I dont think thats his main focus either. He's on a different mission in my opionion, and when it comes to painting distant, cold, alien soundscapes no one can compare. It's all been done before!! Theres plenty of 'industrial' shit knocking about! Proper Coldness! Theres no real attituide there in Ritchies stuff.. Some of the FUSE stuff was OK, but when I heard 'Smak' I was hoping that he wasn't referring to the drug, that would of been a JOKE! zip Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Email, News, Links and The Best Selection at http://AnimeNation.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Email, News, Links and The Best Selection at http://AnimeNation.com
Courney Love does the math...
While this is *not* strictly 313 related, I think the contents of this story ring true in light of the UR vs. Sony story and UR's position in general. It's long, but it's well worth the read. http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html T. IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are not using HushMail, this message could have been read easily by the many people who have access to your open personal email messages. Get your FREE, totally secure email address at http://www.hushmail.com.
Re: [313] Mix-n-Match FS
This guys selling Bomb the Bass - One to One Religion... If I remember correctky It's got a short but sweet Richie Hawtin downtempo remix, as well as a J. Saul Kane mix. Well worth picking up... mh on 6/15/00 9:29 AM, joe beuckman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said this: I need money - this stuff is all in super great condition. Some Acid, a little classic Rave, DnB other mix-n-match styles I put up last night onto Ebay (user jbeuckm): http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItemsuserid=jbeuckm
Re: [313] Ritchie Hawtin
In the newest issue of Paper magazine there is a one page article on Hawtin. Discusses his affection for undersea diving and his work in the La Beaute installation in Avignon France. A major six-month exhibit (which runs through the end of October) examines artisitc interpretations of beauty and how they have changed from the 17th century to the present. (from Paper, page 47) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] urban tribe...
on 6/15/00 10:46 AM, Simon Pascoe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any hints as to what else I should be looking out for from Claude would be really appreciated. I'm still learning, thanks 313. :-) Not enough on CD unfortunately. Acid Wash Conflict (Brother from Another Planet on 7th City) and Planet Earth still make me all wiggly, though. -- There4IM
this is NOT about All this Trance vs Detroit Techno shizzza
In a message dated 14/06/00 22:11:29 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can we get back to the music? B*tch about Moby or Carl Cox or haggle over t-shirts? Gripe about Sony or BMG? Anything but this anymore! Speaking of the whole Sony/UR thing, its all showed up in the latest issue of Mixmag! Knights of the Jaguar is listed on the cover, and they reckon its gonna be one of the biggest tunes of the Summer! Where the hell have they been? Must have taken last summer off or something... Of course, to them, its only the biggest tune of the summer if it gets played in Ibiza (groan). I find it funny as well, that Mixmag act all hip and cool about it, portraying a pro UR sort of stance. Which you obviously would have to (who could possibly side with sony?), but still, Mixmag don't really give a shit, and its actually kinda annoying seeing them suddenly write about UR as if they have always been real fans or something. They never would have payed attention if Pete Tong didn't get his filthy hands on a copy of the record somehow. And as for Pete Tong, he was initially playing the rip off trance version! (oh dear, the whole purpose of this post was to avoid that other T word) Aaron
[313] Feedback
I don't know if this post will work, but I have two questions that I'm hoping can get answered, in private would be fine. 1. Is there a list archive? 2. There was recently a 313 label with samples posted on mp3.com. I managed to lose the address. The question: what is that address / label? Thank you, and by all means, continue to define techno. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [313] this is NOT about All this Trance vs Detroit Techno shizzza
Not the same mag, but in a recent Jockey Slut, they had DB dj's (LTJ Bukem, Jumpin' Jack Frost and some other guy) review 12's and they ripped on 'Revenge of the Jaguar', saying it was 'trying to re-create something that's long gone' (read Detroit) but also made sure to name drop lots of old tracks so we readers would know they were down back in the day. They also dissed Anthony Rother's excellent Little Computer People 12, citing it as a 'tired' and 'not progressive', which is a laugh coming from a guy who has made a career out of playing a Korg MS-1 pad over top of an uncut amen break ad nauseam. -jason http://www.genmod.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of the whole Sony/UR thing, its all showed up in the latest issue of Mixmag! Knights of the Jaguar is listed on the cover, and they reckon its gonna be one of the biggest tunes of the Summer! Where the hell have they been? Must have taken last summer off or something... Of course, to them, its only the biggest tune of the summer if it gets played in Ibiza (groan). I find it funny as well, that Mixmag act all hip and cool about it, portraying a pro UR sort of stance. Which you obviously would have to (who could possibly side with sony?), but still, Mixmag don't really give a shit, and its actually kinda annoying seeing them suddenly write about UR as if they have always been real fans or something. They never would have payed attention if Pete Tong didn't get his filthy hands on a copy of the record somehow. And as for Pete Tong, he was initially playing the rip off trance version! (oh dear, the whole purpose of this post was to avoid that other T word) Aaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Detroit comps
Don't forget Panic in Detroit on Buzz. Lots of stuff on Buzz. jeff Gwendal Cobert wrote: Just for the sake of it, I have tried to sum up all recommendations for Detroit comps... -- jeff 10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right. dancing/about/architecture ...with wandering steps and slow... ICQ904008
