Re: [313] jack's house
fingers 'can you feel' has a vocal version on trax. but it's not the original use of 'in the beginning there was jack'. i have it, but can't remember the artists name or label. it has an accapella, a vocal with the fingers track and two other tracks. historically it's an interesting record but if you want the track better to buy the re-released trax version. if you want the accapella the easiest place is probably on Kikoman vs. Daniel Thomson 'Open Ya Mind' (Deepfried) from last year. if anybody really wants to know the name and label of the orignal i'll post it in two weeks when i get back from camping in northern cali. james Jim Grindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/16/2000 02:11:00 PM To: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org cc:(bcc: James Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst) Subject: [313] jack's house Believe it or not I don't have THE essential classic chicago house trak Jack's house..I am the creator in the begginning their was house one day while throwing down on his box ok with those vocal snippets someone has to be able to tell me the name and artist I thought it was Mr.Fingers @ Trax but I have yet to get it right help - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Underground (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs)
RE: Not necessarily my rebuttal, but an interesting one, from Jeremy Gilbert and Ewan Pearson quoted without permission from Discographies - Dance Music, Culture, and the Politics of Sound: The only reason for staying underground is that in relation to dominant structures of power, you are weak. To celebrate that weakness rather than to try to overcome it is to concede social authority to those dominant discourses. It is, in fact, to _choose_ too remain in a subordinate position and to condemn others to a similar position. Very nice use of that quote. I have yet to read that book but it just went to the top of my list. That statement really puts all this keep it real, keep it underground bullshit to the test. I don't think there are too many artists who wouldn't jump at the chance of having some kind of chart/popular success. If you really want to stay underground don't make a website, don't tell anyone about your music (or any other artists), don't try to distribute, basically don't disseminate any info about who you are or what you're doing. The minute you put up a web site you are trying to get some kind of popularity. I think the REAL underground can only be witnessed first hand, and not a lot of acts out there go this route because it's hard (if not impossible) to make a living doing it. I'm not saying that everyone is in it for the money but anyone who records likes to see their records sell. It's the artist who doesn't record their work in one form or another (for whatever reason) that is truely underground. Imagine a DJ that only plays white label test pressings that have no intention of ever being released for sale or promo. That is a strong statement. Being underground is a very radical stance to take. The problem is that the word has become a way to declare yourself hipper than others. The way that most people use underground just means that their favorite artist isn't as widely known as Britney Spears. But it doesn't nessacarily make their fav. any more talented either. Fred From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [313] Underground (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:08:38 -0400 on 8/16/00 12:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appericate the fact you are 'helping' your friends , but if you consider a spot on t.r.l. @mtv helping thats just a combitnation of pop music tatics (self promotion) and a painfully evident lack of knowledge concerning what underground is , how it is , and why it is. Not necessarily my rebuttal, but an interesting one, from Jeremy Gilbert and Ewan Pearson quoted without permission from Discographies - Dance Music, Culture, and the Politics of Sound: The only reason for staying underground is that in relation to dominant structures of power, you are weak. To celebrate that weakness rather than to try to overcome it is to concede social authority to those dominant discourses. It is, in fact, to _choose_ too remain in a subordinate position and to condemn others to a similar position. Hmmm. The book is a recommended read for those who enjoy theoretical cultural critique and analysis. Largely UK-centric in its approach to politics, though. A bit of a polar opposite in approach to Dan's Techno Rebels (or a nice companion volume, depending on how you look at it.) -- There4IM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
BSP:Connected Live Netcast Tonite/News from Underground Sound DJ Bookings
Pssst, sorry for the interruption.. Happening tonightour Friends at Futuristik, present to you *Connected* We're doing the final edition of Connected this week from Futuristik Studios at the current location. We'll be featuring the talents of Mad Wax, Pope Jr. and Daisho from Vinyl Groove. That will be tonight at 9PM MST. Be sure to tune in via the link on this page (www.futuristik.com) when they are broadcasting. Don't forget to check out the latest tracks from Carbon Monoxide (Lex and Atom)at www.futuristik.com Congratulations to Lucien Foort aka Funk Funktion his track is hitting the charts of the Prestige Balance Record Pool chart,compiled by North America's Premier Progressive House/Trance DJ's and Record stores. Check it out: 1.. Humate - Choose Life (Trancesetters Remix) (G) Superstition 2.. Steve Lawler - Rise In (Nalin Kane Remix)UK) Bedrock 3.. ? - Cosmic Chants/Future Life (NETH) White Label 4.. Louis Strange - Spectre (UK) Baroque 5.. Soul Mekanik - Diskostatic (UK) RIP 6.. Electrique Boutique - Revelation (James Holden Remix) (UK) Data 7.. Greed - Promises (S) Sog 8.. Mandisco - (UK) Rotunda 9.. Moriarty - Pressure (UK) Dorigen 10.. Jay Welsh - Wierd Noises (UK) Black Ice 11.. Charris - The Wave (UK) Plastica 12.. Mara - Fall From Grace (UK) Choo Choo 13.. Fred Numf vs. Five Point O - Wireless (UK) Tune Inn 14.. Phunk D'Up - Phunkymagik/Yokeman (UK) Impulsive 15.. Calisto's Trance - Str8 Up/Can't Wait (US) Guidance 16.. Troya - Schizephrenia/Reiki (UK) F.UK/M 17.. Tranciever - RPV/Probe (UK) Dorigen 18.. Hyper X - Out There (Steve Porter Aquilla Remix) (US) Plastik 19.. Kane Vegas - Groove Ting (Desert Remix) (UK) Glow 20.. Roland Remy - Air Walkin' (UK) Tune Inn 21.. Austin Leeds - Force 51/Moondiver (UK) Bedrock 22.. The Other Benjamin - Cover the Sun (Cypher Remix) (US) Inversus 23.. Hellpass - Reviver (UK) Hellpass 24.. John '00' Flemming - Free (Remixes) (UK) React 25.. Antahkarna - Reflection/Manifest (UK) Dorigen 26.. Brancaccio Aisher - Fracture (UK) Player One 27.. Moto Z - Night Day EP (US) Mother Tongue 28.. Roland Klinkenberg - Cat Food (NETH) Sesame 29.. Himmel - Celebrate Life (US) Plastik 30.. Lucien Foort - Vivid Skies (Original John Johnson Remix) (NETH)Melody Paradise For more information on Lucien, visit the Underground Sound website: www.ugsoundmgmt.com News about Club Progress... We've recently moved opening night from August 26, 2000 to Sept 30, 2000...Taking place every last Saturday of the month in the city of Los Angeles. It will be a 21+ over event from 9-4am. Residents are Troy Roberts (Spundae-San Francisco) in the main room playing progressive house and trance and hosting the second room Lex and Atom of Futuristik (Denver) providing us with electro, progressive breaks and nu school breaks.special guests to be announcedLook out for flyers in the next few weeks and announcements online @ www.ugsoundmgmt.com/events.htm Any questions? email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you'd like to be added to our mailing list: www.ugsoundmgmt.com/mailinglist.htm or just visit us online: www.ugsoundmgmt.com Thank you for your support and hope you are all having a wonderful summer so far!
Forcefield
Hello I'm having trouble finding the forcefield website, anyone got the url handy? CC or private please... digester. ADV(thanks)ANCE /J.
Inaudible Reminder...
Just a quick note to remind you of tonight's Inaudible Radio/Webcast which will be broadcasting this evening from 9-11 pm Eastern Standard Time. To listen over the internet visit http://www.wcsb.org at 9 pm and click on the Click here for Audioactive Feed link. If you are in the Cleveland area you can tune in by setting your radio to 89.3 fm. Hope you'll all tune in! ---Lance--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
Re: [313] Underground OT (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs)
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not necessarily my rebuttal, but an interesting one, from Jeremy Gilbert and Ewan Pearson quoted without permission from Discographies - Dance Music, Culture, and the Politics of Sound: The only reason for staying underground is that in relation to dominant structures of power, you are weak. To celebrate that weakness rather than to try to overcome it is to concede social authority to those dominant discourses. It is, in fact, to _choose_ too remain in a subordinate position and to condemn others to a similar position. I find this statement to be rather naive and reductionist in a number of ways. Firstly, what if you don't support the dominant structures of power and the political stance you impose upon yourself by working together with them? This has nothing to do with being weak or strong, and everything to do with supporting and influencing change. By staying underground, you are making a statement that you have no interest in supporting these structures. This is done in hopes that reasonable people will recognize this and be influenced by it (thus affecting change). Secondly, it assumes that everyone is interested in power and that people are only either in a subordinate or dominant position (depending on the power they wield). While to a certain extent it is true that the desire to affect change is a struggle for power, it is certainly not individual power that is desired (this is often why those wanting to affect change don't reveal their identity or make public apperances). It is a struggle for power of reason. To open people's minds to something they might not have thought about, not fully understood, or not cared about before. One certainly does not gain individual power by supporting a cause greater than themself, nor are they in a dominant (or subordinate) position by making lifestyle decisions to help affect change (namely staying underground and often poor because of it). As for things said about not making a website and not telling anyone about your music in order to keep it underground... that's just missing the point entirely. Underground is about a state of mind, not crawling under a rock. Anyone who uses the term underground in an elitist, exclusionary way doesn't get it. g
Re: [313] Underground (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs)
I think 'underground' doesn't mean that you can't sell records, or sign with a label. What's exciting to me is the stuff that happens outside the traditional manufacturing, distribution and publicity systems. Is Watts Music 'underground?' or Sonic Groove? No. They're brick and mortar businesses whose survival is dependent upon them operating as good capitalists. But they are 'underground' in that that sell outside the retail channels, to specialist stores. They're way out at the edge of things. And there is a consequent strain when people try to make the leap (Detroit Grand Pubahs?), because to really play in that larger mass arena you have to tap into a whole new structure for distribution. kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=chaircrusher -- mix
Re: [313] jack's house
the original acapella is a track called My House by Rhythm Controll on Catch A Beat Records...hard to find and way over sampled. nick. --- Jim Grindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe it or not I don't have THE essential classic chicago house trak Jack's house..I am the creator in the begginning their was house one day while throwing down on his box ok with those vocal snippets someone has to be able to tell me the name and artist I thought it was Mr.Fingers @ Trax but I have yet to get it right help - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] Forcefield
here you go: http://www.forcefield.org/forcefield.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John Braine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:05 AM Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: [313] Forcefield Hello I'm having trouble finding the forcefield website, anyone got the url handy? CC or private please... digester. ADV(thanks)ANCE /J. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Detroit: Past and Present
Anyway, it is the UK techno scene which has fallen off, not Detroit. But we'll talk about that another time. yawn Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
OUTRAGE! When action????
Aaaah!!! Maa!!! This requires major action!!! Cornelius, what should we do? John As seen on the NME-site: Top 40 Dance Singles for the week ending Sunday, August 14 2000. Last Week This Week Title Artist Label 1 I FEEL FOR YOU BOB SINCLAR DEFECTED 4 2 HOW'S YOUR EVENING SO FAR JOSH WINK LIL LOUIS FFRR 1 3 TIME TO BURNSTORM DATA 6 4 BITS PIECES ARTEMESIA TIDY TRAX 5 ARE YOU READY TO PARTY SHRINK NULIFE
RE: [313] OUTRAGE! When action????
In case someone missed my point: the f***ing Jaguar ripoff is in the British top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn this sh*t to the ground! J. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:41 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] OUTRAGE! When action Aaaah!!! Maa!!! This requires major action!!! Cornelius, what should we do? John As seen on the NME-site: Top 40 Dance Singles for the week ending Sunday, August 14 2000. Last Week This Week Title Artist Label 1 I FEEL FOR YOU BOB SINCLAR DEFECTED 4 2 HOW'S YOUR EVENING SO FAR JOSH WINK LIL LOUIS FFRR 1 3 TIME TO BURNSTORM DATA 6 4 BITS PIECES ARTEMESIA TIDY TRAX 5 ARE YOU READY TO PARTY SHRINK NULIFE - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action????
What's this about a mysterious video for Revenge. by Rolando with UR cruising around Detroit in lowriders - or is someone playing with me? At any rate, more than one person has mentioned this to me now. Re: trance Jaguar, maybe it's time for phase two - the unleashing of the digital wasps, wasps are more vicious than bees and they don't 'die' after the first sting. Peace Cyclone In case someone missed my point: the f***ing Jaguar ripoff is in the British top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn this sh*t to the ground!
JFC sounds like what?
ok ok I cross-post... so sue me. I know JFC is another alias for the Timewriter guy. And I assume he's chosen this new alias so that he can explore other sound structures/textures/whatnot separate from his Timewriter productions. But could someone please describe JFC's sound to me? How is it different? Or does it similarly fall into that tech-house genre, or is it more ambient, experimental, or what? Is it any good?!!! I'm clueless and I want to know more. The specific albums in question are:Chrome De Lux (Electrolux), and Timewinder (Mole Listening Pearls). If you could direct me to any RA or MP3 clips, I'd be much obliged. mjb-thecddj
shine in eindhoven
1° SHINE This Saturday it was Shine in Eindhoven, and with the weather we were having that part was already more than OK. It was a bit difficult to find the exact entrance point to the festival but that was the only thing you could hold against the organization. Once you entered the site (which was situated in the center of Eindhoven (Stadhuisplaats) on a concrete space surrounded by the local authority building and other office blocks) you could easily walk around. Shop around in the small shops (even with good 2nd hand records but hey who wants to walk around all day with 12's even for me that's a bit to much) One thing that was very special about this festival was the fact that in between DJ sets there were live gigs. So after Josh Wink (DJ), Lady Aida, Luke Solomon (spinning with a nice T-shirt : playing Detroit and than an arrow pointing down) or Surgeon (who surprised me with a good melodic Techno Set ) you could see hear live sets from : Secret Cinema who gave a very strong set, no annoying breaks in between songs, different approach to the songs as the original versions and really interacting with the audience. Good live set. Suburban knight also gave a good live set, smashing some of his « hitsongs » to pieces and coming out with different versions ( virtually irrecognizable) apart from the occasional recognizable chords but good ones. He played a lot of his early UR stuff. Acid junkies unfortunately played while I was watching Trip do brasil but they had certainly managed to capture the audience, the space was moving in unissimo and the audience was whipped into a frenzy when I went to check them out but it was their last song. Away from the mainstage their was a stage with a more leftfield approach ( even with DJ Grasshopper) were I saw the number one 2-Step DJ in holland GROOVEMASTER JOHNSON (That's what the MC told us anyway) good mixing but unfortunately I'm not really swept of my feet by two-step. Another surprise was Trip Do Brasil (Fr) a trio with two percussionists and a DJ, who managed to lock me in their grooves. Check them out if you have a chance. Unfortunately Fabio didn't show up, or he must have become white overnight. JayCee
RE: [313] Forcefield
Does anybody know if Forcefield is defunkt or not? I used to check the site every month, but it hasn't been updated since april or something. would be a shame. k -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 17 augustus 2000 8:36 Aan: 'John Braine'; 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] Forcefield here you go: http://www.forcefield.org/forcefield.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John Braine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:05 AM Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: [313] Forcefield Hello I'm having trouble finding the forcefield website, anyone got the url handy? CC or private please... digester. ADV(thanks)ANCE /J. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Forcefield
updates are frequent but marsel is roaming the continent @ the moment, in search of a suitable mateDirty old hoghe will be back though, no worries mate! 451
RE: [313] shine in eindhoven
Small correction: Luke Solomon didn't show up. It was Detroit's LOCUTUS behind the decks playing with James' records Yeah, Detroit in da houze! I have very nice pictures of the event. Whoever wants to receive them (for personal use) mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm scanning the best for Bassic Groove magazine and can CC others. John out P.S. Nice to see other Belgians on the list! -Original Message- From: Jan Claeyssens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:11 PM To: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: [313] shine in eindhoven 1° SHINE This Saturday it was Shine in Eindhoven, and with the weather we were having that part was already more than OK. It was a bit difficult to find the exact entrance point to the festival but that was the only thing you could hold against the organization. Once you entered the site (which was situated in the center of Eindhoven (Stadhuisplaats) on a concrete space surrounded by the local authority building and other office blocks) you could easily walk around. Shop around in the small shops (even with good 2nd hand records but hey who wants to walk around all day with 12's even for me that's a bit to much) One thing that was very special about this festival was the fact that in between DJ sets there were live gigs. So after Josh Wink (DJ), Lady Aida, Luke Solomon (spinning with a nice T-shirt : playing Detroit and than an arrow pointing down) or Surgeon (who surprised me with a good melodic Techno Set ) you could see hear live sets from : Secret Cinema who gave a very strong set, no annoying breaks in between songs, different approach to the songs as the original versions and really interacting with the audience. Good live set. Suburban knight also gave a good live set, smashing some of his « hitsongs » to pieces and coming out with different versions ( virtually irrecognizable) apart from the occasional recognizable chords but good ones. He played a lot of his early UR stuff. Acid junkies unfortunately played while I was watching Trip do brasil but they had certainly managed to capture the audience, the space was moving in unissimo and the audience was whipped into a frenzy when I went to check them out but it was their last song. Away from the mainstage their was a stage with a more leftfield approach ( even with DJ Grasshopper) were I saw the number one 2-Step DJ in holland GROOVEMASTER JOHNSON (That's what the MC told us anyway) good mixing but unfortunately I'm not really swept of my feet by two-step. Another surprise was Trip Do Brasil (Fr) a trio with two percussionists and a DJ, who managed to lock me in their grooves. Check them out if you have a chance. Unfortunately Fabio didn't show up, or he must have become white overnight. JayCee - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New releases coming up
Wow. I've had something of a bumper week with the promos alright. Here's a list of some very cool-looking items I've received recently which may be of interest to 313ers (all are albums/CDs/compilations with release dates given as stated): Robert Hood: Nighttime World Vol 2 (M Plant) out Oct Jolly Music: Jolly Bar (Nature) Oct Blake Baxter: Dream Sequence (Tresor) Oct Carl Craig: Designer Music (Planet E) 11 September Percy X: Gain (Soma) 25 September Le Car: Auto-Biography (Ersatz Audio) 18 September Aphelion: Zugzwang (deFocus) late Aug Alton Miller: Rhythm Exposed (Distance) 11 September Collectivism (Raya) Sept - interesting comp. feat. trax by CiM and Tom Churchill Abstract Fusion II (Track Mode/Music Is.) Sept I got a bunch of nice twelves, too, but don't have a list to hand right now. But my good friend at a leading UK promotions company sent me a list of some releases they will be mailing in the next couple of weeks. Sorry, no release dates for these as yet: The Soul of Science - comp by Kirk De Giorgio / Ian O'Brien feat. unreleased Herbie Hancock track. Subhead - Neon Rocka LP (Tresor) Tobias Schmidt LP (Tresor) Herbert mix cd - Globus series (Tresor) Patrick Forge Excursions compilation (Obsessive) Jeff Mills LP (Tresor) Quite a selection I think you'll agree! At some point I'll try and get a list together of all the 313-related material and decent techno/house I've had recently with some reactions and comments, then post it to the list. In the meantime, y'all start saving! Pace!
Unsubing
Haye! I'm unsubscribing the list from August 19t until around September 15. Anybody with pending subjects with me that I haven't contacted yet, please drop me a message at this address. If you need to get in contact with me, please write me to this address, altough I can't promisse immediate response. Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. Back to our regular programming... Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
RE: [313] shine in eindhoven
One thing that was very special about this festival was the fact that in between DJ sets there were live gigs. So after Josh Wink (DJ), Lady Aida, Luke Solomon (spinning with a nice T-shirt : playing Detroit and than an arrow pointing down) or Surgeon (who surprised me with a good melodic Techno Set ) you could see hear live sets from : Eerm It was not Luke Solomon spinning it was a frien of James Pennington called Locutus, for some reason Luke Solomon had a 'No Show'. Locutus was my favorite DJ of the day, yup beter then Surgeon, he played some nice Detroit techno and electro tracks and showed fine mixing skills. Suburban knight also gave a good live set, smashing some of his « hitsongs » to pieces and coming out with different versions ( virtually irrecognizable) apart from the occasional recognizable chords but good ones. He played a lot of his early UR stuff. Did you really liked his live PA? I found it quite disappointing and he played a horrible version of his hit-track 'The art of stalking' The rhythms where way to hard, almost impossable to hear basslines and melodies. Acid junkies unfortunately played while I was watching Trip do brasil but they had certainly managed to capture the audience, the space was moving in unissimo and the audience was whipped into a frenzy when I went to check them out but it was their last song. Well i did saw them and tehy did their job. Acid Junkies always rock the crowed. I have seem them preform a lot of times and it's always nice to hear them, definitly hollands best live-act. Ference also did a DJ set and he started out with some garage tracks (and i do mean garage not garage house), later on he started playing some of his I-F tracks and the place exploded when he played Miss Kitten's remake off 'Sweet Dreams' from the Eurithmics.
RE: [313] Forcefield
Marsel is on holiday for 3 weeks since last week... He's going all over Europe apparently... He also takes a little while to update the site... However, http://www.reverbmag.com has had it's audio files updated (kinda) so that's worth a listen if you're bored Nick(Dj Pacific:) --- Koen_Mariën [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know if Forcefield is defunkt or not? I used to check the site every month, but it hasn't been updated since april or something. would be a shame. k -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 17 augustus 2000 8:36 Aan: 'John Braine'; 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] Forcefield here you go: http://www.forcefield.org/forcefield.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John Braine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:05 AM Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: [313] Forcefield Hello I'm having trouble finding the forcefield website, anyone got the url handy? CC or private please... digester. ADV(thanks)ANCE /J. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] jungle brothers house track
Kent williams wrote: I have a weakness for this kind of thing -- anyone have any other recommends of hip-house tracks? (confession time) I share the same weakness... Hey, I was just a kid around that time, could I help it? :) James already mentioned Fast E-double D-I-E, Git On Up is a classic, no matter what anyone else says. So there. LOL! I bet the Tyree Cooper mix on the flip is still spinnable, with that hypnotic organ loop and just the Git On Up sample without the rap. Other recommendations: Doug Lazy - Let It Roll Tony Scott - The Chief (although some LOW-landers may disagree with me on that one... *grin*) Krush - House Arrest 2 in a Room Otto PS Anybody heard mentioning the word Techn*tronic will see their monitor selfdestruct in ten seconds...
RE: [313] UK 313ers; Mills on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
johno wrote: Hu Jim, Sven Väth's new club? You mean Cocoon? Oh yeah, you have seen that monster line-up of last weekend in Cologne? I was tempted, but it was a 7-hour drive so... I don't think it is a club, rather an event kinda thing. Can you get hold of a recording of this radio broadcast? I can ask my friends. Other finlanders on this list; do you have those mixes on tape? Pistakaa ne nettiin niin jengi voi kayda kuuntelemassa;) Let's see if we can put them online, or if someone's already done it, report. Proffit Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [313] shine in eindhoven
To be honest yes I kinda like it when they mash up their songs almost beyond recognizition, what's the use of playing live, if you stick to the original tracks. I must admit that I even liked the version of the art of stalking, but I tought hey I wonder if anybody will recognize this version. And thanks for telling me who was really spinning because I quite liked Locotus. But about Surgeon I tought he played BOOMBOOMBOOM tracks and so I was pleasently surprized with his set. JayCee -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 17 augustus 2000 14:20 To: 'Jan Claeyssens' Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject:RE: [313] shine in eindhoven One thing that was very special about this festival was the fact that in between DJ sets there were live gigs. So after Josh Wink (DJ), Lady Aida, Luke Solomon (spinning with a nice T-shirt : playing Detroit and than an arrow pointing down) or Surgeon (who surprised me with a good melodic Techno Set ) you could see hear live sets from : Eerm It was not Luke Solomon spinning it was a frien of James Pennington called Locutus, for some reason Luke Solomon had a 'No Show'. Locutus was my favorite DJ of the day, yup beter then Surgeon, he played some nice Detroit techno and electro tracks and showed fine mixing skills. Suburban knight also gave a good live set, smashing some of his « hitsongs » to pieces and coming out with different versions ( virtually irrecognizable) apart from the occasional recognizable chords but good ones. He played a lot of his early UR stuff. Did you really like his live PA? I found it quite disappointing and he played a horrible version of his hit-track 'The art of stalking' The rhythms where way to hard, almost impossable to hear basslines and melodies. Acid junkies unfortunately played while I was watching Trip do brasil but they had certainly managed to capture the audience, the space was moving in unissimo and the audience was whipped into a frenzy when I went to check them out but it was their last song. Well i did saw them and tehy did their job. Acid Junkies always rock the crowed. I have seem them preform a lot of times and it's always nice to hear them, definitly hollands best live-act. Ference also did a DJ set and he started out with some garage tracks (and i do mean garage not garage house), later on he started playing some of his I-F tracks and the place exploded when he played Miss Kitten's remake off 'Sweet Dreams' from the Eurithmics.
Re: [313] jungle brothers HipHouse
Otto wrote: James already mentioned Fast E-double D-I-E, Git On Up is a classic, no matter what anyone else says. So there. LOL! I bet the Tyree Cooper mix on the flip is still spinnable, with that hypnotic organ loop and just the Git On Up sample without the rap. Other recommendations: Doug Lazy - Let It Roll Tony Scott - The Chief Krush - House Arrest 2 in a Room How about Knock you out da box or You ain't nobody by Kool Rock Steady? Oh boy, there were bunch of those tracks... KC Flightt's Let's get jazzy -the ULTIMATE bass line. One record that never gets mentioned is The Renegades' TAG, from 91. Though it's not Hip house, it's a classic vocal (if not SCAT) track by Mike Dunn. Love it. Proffit Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case someone missed my point: the f***ing Jaguar ripoff is in the British top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn this sh*t to the ground! As seen on the NME-site: Top 40 Dance Singles for the week ending Sunday, August 14 2000. Last Week This Week Title Artist Label 1 I FEEL FOR YOU BOB SINCLAR DEFECTED 4 2 HOW'S YOUR EVENING SO FAR JOSH WINK LIL LOUIS FFRR 1 3 TIME TO BURNSTORM DATA Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the same track? I listened to some realaudio samples on www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at all? Also, half of Storm is Mark Spoon from JamSpoon, which would be a totally new character to this story. Or did I miss something? Otto
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As far as I knew the trance remix was on the Dance Division label... cya later, Nick(Dj Pacific:) --- Otto Koppius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case someone missed my point: the f***ing Jaguar ripoff is in the British top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn this sh*t to the ground! As seen on the NME-site: Top 40 Dance Singles for the week ending Sunday, August 14 2000. Last Week This Week Title Artist Label 1 I FEEL FOR YOU BOB SINCLAR DEFECTED 4 2 HOW'S YOUR EVENING SO FAR JOSH WINK LIL LOUIS FFRR 1 3 TIME TO BURNSTORM DATA Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the same track? I listened to some realaudio samples on www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at all? Also, half of Storm is Mark Spoon from JamSpoon, which would be a totally new character to this story. Or did I miss something? Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
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To be honest yes I kinda like it when they mash up their songs almost beyond recognizition, what's the use of playing live, if you stick to the original tracks. I must admit that I even liked the version of the art of stalking, but I tought hey I wonder if anybody will recognize this version. And thanks for telling me who was really spinning because I quite liked Locotus. But about Surgeon I tought he played BOOMBOOMBOOM tracks and so I was pleasently surprized with his set. Indeed Surgeon played some wicked electro tracks, it wasn't one of his finest set but is was okay. Oh yeah there was also a hughe amount of beautifull woman walking around at the festival site :^) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Underground (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs)
The Discography quote is interesting (must read the book) but it kinda reads like a cop-out. It's a standard angle imo. Of course, underground has been appropriated as a marketing tool. Remember those words 'alternative' and 'progressive'? But just coz a language has been stolen doesn't mean you can't still own it. When I think of underground i think of staying true to yourself and the music you are trying to make, or if your are playing others' music... getting in touch with what they are about and understanding where they r coming from and staying true to the way they want to be represented. underground is close to the roots. When i think of underground I always think of it as an utopian place, or state of being. and i think of the curtis mayfield track... emma mee-thod -it's in the way that you groove it-
Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action????
I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the label and artist and all of their products, encouraging others to do so along the way... That's the way I see it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay. cya, Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- Simon Walley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Otto Koppius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the same track? I listened to some realaudio samples on www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at all? Also, half of Storm is Mark Spoon from JamSpoon, which would be a totally new character to this story. Its not that Jaguar rip-off, its some wack trance track that samples very heavily from X-101s _Sonic Destroyer_ (the 'rave' stabs at the beginning). The Jaguar rip-off was in (initially) a legally grey area due to its 'cover' status but this one is blatant sampling with, I'm guessing, no clearance from Mike/UR. Whats even more appalling is that, as pointed out, it got to number three in the UK (its now at number six). || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
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I reckon the guys at UR should take them to court and demand compensation, and for the rest can we close the subject, it has only been like 6 months that we 've been discussing this. JayCee -Original Message- From: Nick Walsh [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 17 augustus 2000 16:22 To: Simon Walley Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the label and artist and all of their products, encouraging others to do so along the way... That's the way I see it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay. cya, Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- Simon Walley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Otto Koppius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the same track? I listened to some realaudio samples on www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at all? Also, half of Storm is Mark Spoon from JamSpoon, which would be a totally new character to this story. Its not that Jaguar rip-off, its some wack trance track that samples very heavily from X-101s _Sonic Destroyer_ (the 'rave' stabs at the beginning). The Jaguar rip-off was in (initially) a legally grey area due to its 'cover' status but this one is blatant sampling with, I'm guessing, no clearance from Mike/UR. Whats even more appalling is that, as pointed out, it got to number three in the UK (its now at number six). || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Simon Walley wrote: Its not that Jaguar rip-off, its some wack trance track that samples very heavily from X-101s _Sonic Destroyer_ (the 'rave' stabs at the beginning). God knows how many rave-records were there that sampled the infamous chant from UR. That African-type tribal WAR-chant... I think the original was from Riot EP. Proffit Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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From: Jan Claeyssens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [313] OUTRAGE! When action I reckon the guys at UR should take them to court and demand compensation, and for the rest can we close the subject, it has only been like 6 months that we 've been discussing this. Its not just the monetary value of the UR sample they illegally used, its the fact that this is the second time the majors have tried to screw UR over. There should never have been a first time. And not just because its UR - this could be any label we enjoy talking about on this list. One of the reasons that the Jaguar rip-off was pulled is because of the massive dissemination of information from people - off the net, nearly every UK dance music magazine ran a news piece on it (be interested to know if this was true in other countries?). On the net it was mentioned on many other lists other than just 313, protest and petition sites were started, etc. Public awareness of what Sony were doing just blew up. You want to close this subject so you can talk more about music perhaps? Issues like this threaten the very music you want to talk about. And, as always, if you don't like the subject, theres always the 'delete' key. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Its not just the monetary value of the UR sample they illegally used, its the fact that this is the second time the majors have tried to screw UR over. There should never have been a first time. And not just because its UR - this could be any label we enjoy talking about on this list. what about artists and labels we enjoy talking about on this list who have used illegaly samples from other artists, sometimes artists signed on majors ? :) just have a look to http://www.forcefield.org/guide.html cheers disk.system
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I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the label and artist and all of their products, encouraging others to do so along the way... That's the way I see it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay. Just so you all know, Sony owns about 40 or 50 record labels world wide, the largest being Epic and Colombia (with about 20 sublabels under them). I have been researching thier company and can post all the labels they own. Furthermore, I assume this boycott goes beyond sony music. It should also include a boycott of Playstation, thier electronics and the other companies they own like Awia, sony pictures (which means no 28 days, Center Stage, Hollow Man, Loser, or the Patroit not to mention Godzilla 2000, Final Fantasy and Charlie's Angels which are comming soon), a boycott of all movies and tv produced by Columbia Tristar (Riki Lake, Days of Our Lives, Donie and Marie, Dawson's Creek, and the Young and the Restless), the Game Show Network, and Pay Per View. Keep this in mind when watching TV and when buying electronic equptment (not to mention computer equiptment). When going to the movies (to see non-Sony related movies of course) make sure to avoid any theaters owned by Loews Cineplex, as they are part of Sony. If you live in San Fran, avoid the Metreon, and in New York City avoid the Technology Museum. Its really scary to see how powerful sony is. The thing is though, if we do an effective boycott of Sony because of the immitation Jaguar, in order for it to be effective it would have to be on a larger level. That would mean that the song would lose some of its underground status. Just something to consider.
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yup v.true... it would lose some of it's underground status but ppl listen to this trance rip off and think it's the actual jaguar tune... I wouldn't actually mind the original going onto the mainstream chart... The fact is that people need to give respect where it is due. This is one of the major thing's that society has lost these last 20 years or so. However, people power is stronger than it ever has been, these days it's recognised by governments and courts that everyone has rights and UR has a right to recognition and rights to all the dough Sony have made from ppl who unwittingly bought their trashy ripoff of what is, in many techno people's eyes, a classic... It's musical sacrilidge... People just need to know what the score is, it's up to us to tell the mainstream... Nick(Dj Pacific:) --- Christos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the label and artist and all of their products, encouraging others to do so along the way... That's the way I see it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay. Just so you all know, Sony owns about 40 or 50 record labels world wide, the largest being Epic and Colombia (with about 20 sublabels under them). I have been researching thier company and can post all the labels they own. Furthermore, I assume this boycott goes beyond sony music. It should also include a boycott of Playstation, thier electronics and the other companies they own like Awia, sony pictures (which means no 28 days, Center Stage, Hollow Man, Loser, or the Patroit not to mention Godzilla 2000, Final Fantasy and Charlie's Angels which are comming soon), a boycott of all movies and tv produced by Columbia Tristar (Riki Lake, Days of Our Lives, Donie and Marie, Dawson's Creek, and the Young and the Restless), the Game Show Network, and Pay Per View. Keep this in mind when watching TV and when buying electronic equptment (not to mention computer equiptment). When going to the movies (to see non-Sony related movies of course) make sure to avoid any theaters owned by Loews Cineplex, as they are part of Sony. If you live in San Fran, avoid the Metreon, and in New York City avoid the Technology Museum. Its really scary to see how powerful sony is. The thing is though, if we do an effective boycott of Sony because of the immitation Jaguar, in order for it to be effective it would have to be on a larger level. That would mean that the song would lose some of its underground status. Just something to consider. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
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À (At) 15:44 + 17/08/0, Simon Walley écrivait (wrote) : what about artists and labels we enjoy talking about on this list who have used illegaly samples from other artists, sometimes artists signed on majors ? :) But thats okay :) No, thats a good point. The difference is that (generally speaking) for small scale independent artists and labels, you don't sample someone elses work purely because you want to make money out of it. You might use it for any number of reasons but purely to make money won't be one of them. Carl Craig, Jeff Mills, etc. would probably quite happily talk about the reasons for using a given sample and the respect they have for the original artist. Same with a lot of hip-hop producers. i had recently the opportunity recently to listen to several original tracks sampled by famous detroit musicians. this have sighlty changed my mind about them. since i consider some detroit tracks being artistic ripp-off. that's my modest feelings. The difference here is that no respect is being paid. The sample is being used because it is a good, effective, dancefloor sample. The rip-off guys know it - they also know that UR is a small, independent label compared to Sony or whoever is releasing this and that legal action would be tricky and costly for them to initiate. Basically, they know they can rip-off other artists hard work, pass it off as their own and fear no reprisals. This is wrong. Its a sliding scale with 'purely artistic usage' at one end and 'purely money making' at the other. Where as independent artists might be all over that scale (some justifiable, some questionable), the major label rip-offs will always crash in on the money making side.
Re: [313] Underground (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs)
Quoting Webster: Main Entry: 1un·der·ground Pronunciation: n-dr-'graund Function: adverb Date: 1571 1 : beneath the surface of the earth 2 : in or into hiding or secret operation Main Entry: 2underground Pronunciation: 'n-dr- Function: noun Date: 1594 1 : a subterranean space or channel 2 : an underground city railway system 3 a : a movement or group organized in strict secrecy among citizens especially in an occupied country for maintaining communications, popular solidarity, and concerted resistive action pending liberation b : a clandestine conspiratorial organization set up for revolutionary or other disruptive purposes especially against a civil order c : an unofficial, unsanctioned, or illegal but informal movement or group; especially : a usually avant-garde group or movement that functions outside the establishment Main Entry: 3un·der·ground Pronunciation: 'n-dr-graund Function: adjective Date: 1610 1 : being, growing, operating, or situated below the surface of the ground 2 : conducted by secret means 3 a : existing outside the establishment an underground literary reputation b : existing outside the purview of tax collectors or statisticians the underground economy 4 a : produced or published outside the establishment especially by the avant-garde underground movies underground newspapers b : of or relating to the avant-garde underground an underground moviemaker an underground theater Main Entry: Underground Railroad Function: noun Date: 1842 : a system of cooperation among active antislavery people in the U.S. before 1863 by which fugitive slaves were secretly helped to reach the North or Canada -- called also Underground Railway I think we are just arguing over the perceived definition of a word now. Which means that someone had to get a definition. (that underground railroad was just for fun!) Anyways, read the definitions before you start calling someone a sell-out or what have you. If you like or dislike the music, that's where you should stand, not telling them they can't promote themselves on this list. If you can give your opinion, then they can self-promote. Even if you think they are selling-out, that's their right. Regards, Dennis. From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FRED MCMURRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Underground (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:44:44 -0500 (CDT) I think 'underground' doesn't mean that you can't sell records, or sign with a label. What's exciting to me is the stuff that happens outside the traditional manufacturing, distribution and publicity systems. Is Watts Music 'underground?' or Sonic Groove? No. They're brick and mortar businesses whose survival is dependent upon them operating as good capitalists. But they are 'underground' in that that sell outside the retail channels, to specialist stores. They're way out at the edge of things. And there is a consequent strain when people try to make the leap (Detroit Grand Pubahs?), because to really play in that larger mass arena you have to tap into a whole new structure for distribution. kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=chaircrusher -- mix - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: SF's poorest planned weekend ever
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], hans kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] messed around with filters and compression to make the sounds now known as: Ok I'm sitting here finding myself absolutely aggravated by this friday night in the city by the bay, and the fact that none of the techno promnoters in this city bothered to check with anyone else before booking shows. Stacy Pullen and Derrick May and Gemini are all playing a new party. Listen.com is throwin a party with Mr. Alan Oldham Maze has Layo and Bushwacka from England Carlos Souffant is comin to hang out and play the Manhattan Lounge. No why the hell do I have to go months without a decent techno show and then out all of the damn sudden there are 4 worthwhile if not really good shows in the same night? I'm gonna kick it with carlos and if he's not done too late maybe go see T-1000. why in the hell couldn't anyone have done anything next week. Sorry to Gripe Hans S'like buses innit? TTFN, -- Tom Lawton ICQ:21604785 A penny saved is ridiculous
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they did take them to court didn't they? The thing is Sony has an army of lawyers and the laws for the entertainment industry is full of loopholes. Sony know about all this stuff. They wouldn't have ripped the tune off if they knew they couldn't get away with it. Nick(Dj Pacific:) --- Jan Claeyssens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reckon the guys at UR should take them to court and demand compensation, and for the rest can we close the subject, it has only been like 6 months that we 've been discussing this. JayCee -Original Message- From: Nick Walsh [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 17 augustus 2000 16:22 To: Simon Walley Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the label and artist and all of their products, encouraging others to do so along the way... That's the way I see it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay. cya, Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- Simon Walley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Otto Koppius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the same track? I listened to some realaudio samples on www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at all? Also, half of Storm is Mark Spoon from JamSpoon, which would be a totally new character to this story. Its not that Jaguar rip-off, its some wack trance track that samples very heavily from X-101s _Sonic Destroyer_ (the 'rave' stabs at the beginning). The Jaguar rip-off was in (initially) a legally grey area due to its 'cover' status but this one is blatant sampling with, I'm guessing, no clearance from Mike/UR. Whats even more appalling is that, as pointed out, it got to number three in the UK (its now at number six). || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Underground (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs)
Alright, let me try to clarify what I mean. Currently with the rise of popularity in electronic music more and more artists are just situated on a rising curve of how popular or known they are. If they are low on the curve it doesn't nesacarily make them underoground. I've seen some artists who do one time events...like Buhdist sand artand never repeat them or record them. They are lost in time, except for your memory of it. That, I believe, is underground. I'm not saying it's better than what anybody else is doing. Now for some of these points (if we are to be all on the same page): a movement or group organized in strict secrecy among citizens Not all so-called underground artists operate in strict secrecy. UR sort of does (with their personas) but they still dessimenate info to get the word out a usually avant-garde group or movement that functions outside the establishment Selling product isn't really working outside the establishment. Remember the establishment can be the so-called underground dance movement. Anyways, read the definitions before you start calling someone a sell-out or what have you. I don't know if this was directed to my posting but I don't think I called anyone a sell-out. You can't really be a sell-out unless you go against your own morals and rules that you set down for yourself. If you like or dislike the music, that's where you should stand, not telling them they can't promote themselves on this list. Promote away, I think it's great if people become rich and famous for sticking to their guns and believing in what they can do, but_only_if they want to become rich and famous through their work. Even if you think they are selling-out, that's their right. It doesn't matter what anybody but the artist thinks. I don't know what any particular artist's intention is unless they tell me. So how can I or anyone else judge an artist unless they make public their intentions? But they are 'underground' in that that sell outside the retail channels, to specialist stores. They're way out at the edge of things. Again, selling product isn't really working outside the establishment. How can exchanging money for product be regarded as underground? They may be way out at the edge of things but they are still working within the established way of doing business. And believe me, selling records, owning a record label and being an artist who sells records and signs contracts is a business. there is a consequent strain when people try to make the leap (Detroit Grand Pubahs?),because to really play in that larger mass arena you have to tap into a whole new structure for distribution. It's not really a new structure it's just more complicated and has more legal bullshit. It may seem new because it's bigger and there are more people who want a piece of the cake. Really, I think to use the term underground is just trying to romanticize the image of lesser known artists. I'm not slighting the efforts of artists by saying whether they are or are not underground because I know it's hard work no matter to what degree to which they are recognized by the public. What's exciting to me is the stuff that happens outside the traditional manufacturing, distribution and publicity systems. I don't know what is exciting to you because you didn't mention any examples but if you record a tune, press it, distribute it even to a small specialty shop and put some time and energy into getting publicity for it...that is still working within traditional system. It's just a smaller scale with less money available to make it work. I don't think that makes it underground. That's my point. Fred P.S. There has to be some kind of agreement as to what underground means other wise we can all argue our points until we are blue in the face and still not agree and this thread will go on until someone calls me or someone else a Nazi or Hitler:) From: Dennis Donohue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Underground (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:07:22 CDT Quoting Webster: Main Entry: 1un·der·ground Pronunciation: n-dr-'graund Function: adverb Date: 1571 1 : beneath the surface of the earth 2 : in or into hiding or secret operation Main Entry: 2underground Pronunciation: 'n-dr- Function: noun Date: 1594 1 : a subterranean space or channel 2 : an underground city railway system 3 a : a movement or group organized in strict secrecy among citizens especially in an occupied country for maintaining communications, popular solidarity, and concerted resistive action pending liberation b : a clandestine conspiratorial organization set up for revolutionary or other disruptive purposes especially against a civil order c : an unofficial, unsanctioned, or illegal but informal movement or group; especially : a usually avant-garde group or movement that
Re: OUTRAGE
What's particularly amazing about this (now the second time UR seems to be involved in sampling/covering issues with a major label) is the majors managed to find probably the techno producers most opposed to such practicesthe irony here is enormous. If nothing else, it should be consolation for Mad Mike to know that his tracks are so good that even cover versions and trance versions using his samples are making national charts. Yikes. I suppose the original Sonic Destroyer would be a bit too undiluted for mass consumption anyway. Matt
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What's particularly amazing about this (now the second time UR seems to be involved in sampling/covering issues with a major label) is the majors managed to find probably the techno producers most opposed to such practices I haven't heard the track in question, so I don't know how much it borrows from 'Sonic Destroyer'. But I have to say that I'd feel uncomfortable if they got sued for just using the intro stabs. Electronic music has always been intensely self-consuming and self-referential. In other words, producers have always nicked little synth and drum sounds from other tracks. If you're recognizably ripping off someone else's track, that's bad. If you're using a little synth sound, I think that's part of the music. There's a grey area here - I think all the jungle tracks that used Kevin Saunderson's 'Reese' bassline are fine. They took a little sample and flipped it. On the other hand, I think that Dave Clarke's Kevin Saunderson samples on Red 3 were pretty cheeky. There was a lot of controversy over that. And the whole Jaguar thing is obviously over the line. Joe
Re: [313] Re: OUTRAGE
I heard the track a few times on dutch radio and all these guys did is sampled one little stab from UR's 'Sonic Destroyer' and played a completely different tune with it on top of a lame trance track. Sounds like that come standard on every cheap dance gear and the producers of this track did not try to cash in on the success of UR's 'Sonic Destroyer'. Some of you guys really need a break, tracks get sampled everyday. At 11:33 -0700 17-08-2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's particularly amazing about this (now the second time UR seems to be involved in sampling/covering issues with a major label) is the majors managed to find probably the techno producers most opposed to such practices I haven't heard the track in question, so I don't know how much it borrows from 'Sonic Destroyer'. But I have to say that I'd feel uncomfortable if they got sued for just using the intro stabs. Electronic music has always been intensely self-consuming and self-referential. In other words, producers have always nicked little synth and drum sounds from other tracks. If you're recognizably ripping off someone else's track, that's bad. If you're using a little synth sound, I think that's part of the music. There's a grey area here - I think all the jungle tracks that used Kevin Saunderson's 'Reese' bassline are fine. They took a little sample and flipped it. On the other hand, I think that Dave Clarke's Kevin Saunderson samples on Red 3 were pretty cheeky. There was a lot of controversy over that. And the whole Jaguar thing is obviously over the line. Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Klaas-Jan Jongsma --- http://technotourist.org http://lowlands.hyperreal.org http://home.planet.nl/~kjongsma
Re: [313] Re: OUTRAGE
I'd be more upset about Josh Wink ripping French Kiss than about some lame trance act snaking a couple of synth stabs. todd Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: I heard the track a few times on dutch radio and all these guys did is sampled one little stab from UR's 'Sonic Destroyer' and played a completely different tune with it on top of a lame trance track. Sounds like that come standard on every cheap dance gear and the producers of this track did not try to cash in on the success of UR's 'Sonic Destroyer'. Some of you guys really need a break, tracks get sampled everyday. At 11:33 -0700 17-08-2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's particularly amazing about this (now the second time UR seems to be involved in sampling/covering issues with a major label) is the majors managed to find probably the techno producers most opposed to such practices I haven't heard the track in question, so I don't know how much it borrows from 'Sonic Destroyer'. But I have to say that I'd feel uncomfortable if they got sued for just using the intro stabs. Electronic music has always been intensely self-consuming and self-referential. In other words, producers have always nicked little synth and drum sounds from other tracks. If you're recognizably ripping off someone else's track, that's bad. If you're using a little synth sound, I think that's part of the music. There's a grey area here - I think all the jungle tracks that used Kevin Saunderson's 'Reese' bassline are fine. They took a little sample and flipped it. On the other hand, I think that Dave Clarke's Kevin Saunderson samples on Red 3 were pretty cheeky. There was a lot of controversy over that. And the whole Jaguar thing is obviously over the line. Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Klaas-Jan Jongsma --- http://technotourist.org http://lowlands.hyperreal.org http://home.planet.nl/~kjongsma - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ax-020
In a message dated 17/08/00 7:34:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ha! You had to bring the Dadaist into this. You think your so artsy and intellectual don't you? Exactly. And you're not? Your not even going to give Juan Atkins credit? I have too many times. Its a given now. If all these genres are really some multi-faceted Detroit techno sound then why don't you see more people referring to Moodyman as a Detroit techno artist? When people talk about Aux 88 or Adult I always hear the word electro I never hear the word techno and then there's Booty Bass, some of these Booty bass artist would be offended if you called them Detroit techno. I think you can make the distinction between Detroit techno and other forms of Detroit electronic music genres. To say you cant label Detroit techno because it has no boundaries is pure nonsense. I remember in the early 90's people had no problem telling you what Detroit techno was now you get this well i don't believe in categorizing music with genre's, what really is techno anyway bla bla bal... The same people have no problem using the term soulful house or electro, its almost like their in techno denial. To use a well known analogy, this argument is just like splitting a hair 2 ways, then splitting the 2 into 4 parts etc etc. Its starting to get to staticised in semantics. The same ole argument of Its not Detroit Techno because it's Electronic or Booty or blah blah... Because 'D' stands for Detroit, if the festavile was about celebrating a new era in Detroit techno the orginizers would have called it the Detroit 'TECHNO' Music Fetsival. Again, more splitting - now into 8 parts. Isn't Techno music Electronic music anyway? Put it this way, Detroit techno is not what it used to be. you can interpret that any which way you like. Many apologies to the list for taking this argument further into senseless banter. I've been generally restraint in my posts and like to keep things on-tpoic but the full moon has just got to me - and some other people too. end of discussion. stephen. As Andy Vaz, the 'MAN' behind Background Records put it simply: i totally have to agree to zed´s words. nuthin` else to add. that`s just how it is. I should have just kept it at that. End of discussion indeed! Just enjoy the music Stephen. ;`) A_Zed
Re: [313] Re: OUTRAGE
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Todd Smith wrote: I'd be more upset about Josh Wink ripping French Kiss than about some lame trance act snaking a couple of synth stabs. todd Yeah... But at least Wink had permission! Not to mention, I kinda like it. *shrugg* derek.
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Sorry. I'm having quite a time trying to get my posts through. Cori
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I haven't been on the list before and I saw some of the posts on Sony's ripoff, I was wondering if anyone ever got that feelin that the underground is slowly being taken over by trendy people? Maybe I'm just paranoid or something. Sorry I was a bit off the subject. I've just noticed more and more trendy people that used to ridicule me for my musical taste and even the way I dressed, showing up at underground parties. it's really starting to frustrate me because I know that the only reason they are there is for the drugs and they think it's the cool thing to do. They're not there for the music like me and my friend are. Anyway, sorry I just really wanted to vent to people who have a clue what I'm talking about. Thank you:-) Cori
Re: [313] dj DIZ
the scene is possibly far better than you can imagine. No our women dont dress in black and no We dont listen to arabic kinda music. We have nice house clubs here, and i think, in my opinion, we have the best house techno dj's in europe. dj U.F.U.K . dont forget the name =-) We will have basement jaxx, ken iishi, astral projection and talvin singh here on 2nd of september. But everybodies favorite here is mr. Derrick May. And i guess DJ Diz will be here pretty soon. Hopefully! but... the scene is kinda invaded by Trance dj's at the moment. Afterall anything trance is fashionable these days in the world, isnt it? How is the scene in Istanbul for this kind of stuff? Curious, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: greetings from Istanbul Does anybody have any info about this dj in topic? website and stuff? He spins some place in Chicago i think... some audio, mp3 would make you a Santa Claus of mine. I've listened to 1 set of him, and it was awesome, i felt like buying a plane ticket from Istanbul to Chicago instantly... Turgan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: jack's house
This subject came up on the 313 list a few months back, I saved the message that Terrence Parker posted with the answer to this seemingly omnipotent question. So with all credit due to TP, here is his answer: The ORIGINAL VERSION of the famous speech In the beginning there was Jack, and Jack had a groove . . . . is by ITALO ECSTASY. The track is entitled MY HOUSE, and was ORIGINALLY released on XYZ RECORDS late in the year 1986. Yes, it was used as a vocal drop on top of many instrumental recordings over the years, including Mr. Fingers' CAN YOU FEEL IT. But don't get it twisted ladies and gentlemen. The Mr. Fingers' version (which was originally a BOOTLEG) is NOT WHERE THIS SPEECH ORIGINATED FROM! (Terrence Parker) Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com fingers 'can you feel' has a vocal version on trax. but it's not the original use of 'in the beginning there was jack'. i have it, but can't remember the artists name or label. it has an accapella, a vocal with the fingers track and two other tracks. historically it's an interesting record but if you want the track better to buy the re-released trax version. if you want the accapella the easiest place is probably on Kikoman vs. Daniel Thomson 'Open Ya Mind' (Deepfried) from last year. if anybody really wants to know the name and label of the orignal i'll post it in two weeks when i get back from camping in northern cali. james
Re: [313] jungle brothers house track
I'm getting in a wee bit late on this thread apparently, but as far as hiphouse goes, anything that came out of Chicago back in the day would have to qualify I think. Fast Eddie, Kool Rock Steady, older tracks by Ralphi Rosario DJ Funk are just a few right off of the top of my head... alot of stuff on the DJ International label if you can still find it. I could come up with a lot more but I'm being too lazy to dig through all of that old vinyl right now. And no, I have nothing I want to sell to anyone! LOL In fact, I'm looking for a couple of things on the old Chicago Trax label if someone can point me in the right direction... Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com I have a weakness for this kind of thing -- anyone have any other recommends of hip-house tracks?
Re: [313] Underground (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs)
You are all nazi's and I am hitler. Next... At 06:03 PM 8/17/00 GMT, you wrote: Alright, let me try to clarify what I mean. Currently with the rise of popularity in electronic music more and more artists are just situated on a rising curve of how popular or known they are. If they are low on the curve it doesn't nesacarily make them underoground. I've seen some artists who do one time events...like Buhdist sand artand never repeat them or record them. They are lost in time, except for your memory of it. That, I believe, is underground. I'm not saying it's better than what anybody else is doing. Now for some of these points (if we are to be all on the same page): a movement or group organized in strict secrecy among citizens Not all so-called underground artists operate in strict secrecy. UR sort of does (with their personas) but they still dessimenate info to get the word out a usually avant-garde group or movement that functions outside the establishment Selling product isn't really working outside the establishment. Remember the establishment can be the so-called underground dance movement. Anyways, read the definitions before you start calling someone a sell-out or what have you. I don't know if this was directed to my posting but I don't think I called anyone a sell-out. You can't really be a sell-out unless you go against your own morals and rules that you set down for yourself. If you like or dislike the music, that's where you should stand, not telling them they can't promote themselves on this list. Promote away, I think it's great if people become rich and famous for sticking to their guns and believing in what they can do, but_only_if they want to become rich and famous through their work. Even if you think they are selling-out, that's their right. It doesn't matter what anybody but the artist thinks. I don't know what any particular artist's intention is unless they tell me. So how can I or anyone else judge an artist unless they make public their intentions? But they are 'underground' in that that sell outside the retail channels, to specialist stores. They're way out at the edge of things. Again, selling product isn't really working outside the establishment. How can exchanging money for product be regarded as underground? They may be way out at the edge of things but they are still working within the established way of doing business. And believe me, selling records, owning a record label and being an artist who sells records and signs contracts is a business. there is a consequent strain when people try to make the leap (Detroit Grand Pubahs?),because to really play in that larger mass arena you have to tap into a whole new structure for distribution. It's not really a new structure it's just more complicated and has more legal bullshit. It may seem new because it's bigger and there are more people who want a piece of the cake. Really, I think to use the term underground is just trying to romanticize the image of lesser known artists. I'm not slighting the efforts of artists by saying whether they are or are not underground because I know it's hard work no matter to what degree to which they are recognized by the public. What's exciting to me is the stuff that happens outside the traditional manufacturing, distribution and publicity systems. I don't know what is exciting to you because you didn't mention any examples but if you record a tune, press it, distribute it even to a small specialty shop and put some time and energy into getting publicity for it...that is still working within traditional system. It's just a smaller scale with less money available to make it work. I don't think that makes it underground. That's my point. Fred P.S. There has to be some kind of agreement as to what underground means other wise we can all argue our points until we are blue in the face and still not agree and this thread will go on until someone calls me or someone else a Nazi or Hitler:) From: Dennis Donohue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Underground (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:07:22 CDT Quoting Webster: Main Entry: 1un·der·ground Pronunciation: n-dr-'graund Function: adverb Date: 1571 1 : beneath the surface of the earth 2 : in or into hiding or secret operation Main Entry: 2underground Pronunciation: 'n-dr- Function: noun Date: 1594 1 : a subterranean space or channel 2 : an underground city railway system 3 a : a movement or group organized in strict secrecy among citizens especially in an occupied country for maintaining communications, popular solidarity, and concerted resistive action pending liberation b : a clandestine conspiratorial organization set up for revolutionary or other disruptive purposes especially against a civil order c : an unofficial, unsanctioned, or
sony
hell, Rage Against The Machine is on Sony. That's my favorite bit of irony. -d Dan Sicko http://www.reverbmag.com http://www.techno-rebels.com
Re: [313] Re: OUTRAGE
RE: Yeah... But at least Wink had permission! Bad argument considering there are tons of records released every week from the dance/electronic camp that don't have permission. If this tune wasn't in the top ten and wasn't making loads of greenbacks would anybody care? It's all about money! If it quitely went away without making it there it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Suddenly it's in the top ten and everybody is in an uproar. Why don't we have these up-in-arms debates when these tunes are at #140 on the chart? Fred From: Derek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Todd Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: OUTRAGE Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:51:39 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Todd Smith wrote: I'd be more upset about Josh Wink ripping French Kiss than about some lame trance act snaking a couple of synth stabs. todd Yeah... But at least Wink had permission! Not to mention, I kinda like it. *shrugg* derek. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
