Re: [313] not black enough...
Well...I think the biggest concern with dance music is that it becomes synonymous with the trippy drug scene. We're definitely moving towards that. Hey, what's wrong with bringing a little trippiness into the music?? Trippiness is like communism an evil thing and should not be in your beautifull american music., If you start with a little trippiness in music it doesn't take a while before all beauty of music is gone! You'll get good producers saying: Ah..we must be trippy..well hmm...lets get rid of all that melody and musical coherence and just throw in f*ckin filtered pads and this tibetian chant everywhere..oh..wait a minute...why not put a DOLPHIN noise in the track, that is trippy man ill just keep pressing this one key oh...yeah...groovey..man History has teached us that trippyness is the end of everything...look at the hippies, lazy f*cks who haven't achieved anything, except putting civlized society back ten years. If trippynis becomes involved in art it becomes crap. A good musician/producer should be like Charles Bronson not like Shaggy from Scooby doo!
Re: [313] Juan Atkins....
if there is any evidence of him being addicted to heroin, I must say that I lost all the respect I have for him as a musician, i think this is absolutely ridiculous..sorry. his choices in life shouldnt have anything to do with the respect you have for him as a musician. im not gay, does that mean i should loose respect if a musician is gay? i dont do herion, and kurt cobain was an idol to me growing uphis words meant something. i think juan has done enough for all of usto loose respect b/c of this.i just think its wrong. mike d.
Re: [313] Juan Atkins....
STOP. Just stop. Now we have a classic stink bomb in our mailing list. Someone who to my recollection hasn't even posted in this group drops a very serious and eye-catching post about a notable figure, Juan Atkins. And does so in a manner so sincere it makes your head hurt. We don't know who Horiatio is and what their agenda may be. Not only that, whatever Juan's personal situation is, it is NOT OUR BUSINESS to talk about on this list. If the allegation is true, it is not our business. If the allegation is false, it is not our business. This is a personal matter. Would you want some random walking-around person stating things about YOUR personal affairs to a public forum, no matter what it was or what the context was? This is a matter of respect and privacy. All the rest is fronting. out phred
Re: [313] Juan Atkins....
i have heard a lot of things about alot of people, that supposidly don't do drugs.but most of what you hear is bullshit besides what makes Horiatio so damn good that he can pass judgement on juan or anyone for that matterso watch out everyone cause Mcdonalds(like heroin) destroy's this earth at a rappid rate so if you eat Mcdonalds i am not going to respect you musicly take your gossip to another list that might want it there ..case you have not figured it out we here on the 313 list enjoy disscussions about detroit techno related MUSIC not bullshit rave gossip my 2 cents michael. Horiatio Herbert wrote: It's really sad to hear that one of my all-time musical heros (and I'm sure many peoples on this list), Juan Atkins, has a heroin problem. It really kills me inside thinking about it and I really wish I could help.. HH. :( _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [313] Juan Atkins....
actually i kinda would. because to me and lots of other people out there any attention at all is good. same thing with publicity. you just have to know how to use it. now if i could only get vidal to say some stuff like Man Jeff is dope behind the decks, if only he could kick the coke habit of his. that would get me booked around the US like a certaing DJ i know...i won't mention his name though. and i would get all the free coke i wanted, that is, if i was a coke head. jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 5:12 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Juan Atkins Would you want some random walking-around person stating things about YOUR personal affairs to a public forum, no matter what it was or what the context was?
brian harden
i know brian is from chicago but i was hoping to squeeze him into a quick discussion... we just brought him out to portland Or. had a really good time . brian played at a little bar downtown ... he played real similar to his styles on his Moods and Grooves release...just wondering if many people here have heard brian and what you guys thought ...by the way look for a album from him sometime after the first of the year... _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] Juan Atkins....
I CAN'T BELEIVE this is even a topic and had it not continued I wouldn't intervene. The last time I heard this rumour it was from a rival promoter trying to destroy an event Juan was playing at. This is a standard way of sabotaging rival promoters and the DJs at their parties, linking them to drugs. Juan was the very picture of good health in Australia this year, he has wonderful people like Laura Gavoor looking after his affairs. Show some damn respect. Do you realise the implications of these rumours? I will try to play devils advocate here, but it is really hard for me to judge Mr Atkins based on a rumor, now, if there is any evidence of him being addicted to heroin, I must say that I lost all the respect I have for him as a musician, I just think that drug addiction is pathetic but I also believe that a person must pay the price for his/her bad choices in life, I would ask the person who started this thread to give us some evidence of his addiction, even though I wouldnt doubt it. Fahd Al Noor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Albuquerque, NM On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:15:52 -0800 (PST), Horiatio Herbert wrote: It's really sad to hear that one of my all-time musical heros (and I'm sure many peoples on this list), Juan Atkins, has a heroin problem. It really kills me inside thinking about it and I really wish I could help.. HH. :( ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
recovering vinyl
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but could someone please alert me to the best method for recovering warped vinyl? thanks mary _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net
RE: [313] recovering vinyl
put it in direct sunlight with a heavy object on top of it...or try buying a new one. i find the latter works the best jeff -Original Message- From: Mary Cuddehe [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 6:38 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] recovering vinyl I'm sure this has been discussed before, but could someone please alert me to the best method for recovering warped vinyl? thanks mary _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] recovering vinyl
erm, I'm not sure that putting it in direct sunlight with a heavy object on top of it will actually work real well. (Is this an unknown Monty Python sketch?) I could see putting it in sunlight to soften up the vinyl and *then* putting a heavy flat object on it. My experience is that this doesn't work too well and, sadly, Jeff's other idea is better. Unfortunately it's very hard to find replacement copies even of fairly popular older tracks. phred
Re: [313] DJ Rush track ID
Or Deeon or Funk or Armani or Milton or. - Original Message - From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Phonopsia' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 3:19 AM Subject: RE: [313] DJ Rush track ID coincidentally it is probably also by Paul Johnson Jeff -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:51 PM To: scott mcgill; 313@hyperreal.org; DJ DMT Subject: Re: [313] DJ Rush track ID Incidentally, what is the DanceMania track that says 'Ho' in it? ;o I think it's the same one that say bitch. ;) Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Juan Atkins....
I will try to play devils advocate here, but it is really hard for me to judge Mr Atkins based on a rumor, now, if there is any evidence of him being addicted to heroin, I must say that I lost all the respect I have for him as a musician, what?
Re: [313] not black enough...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:15:03 EST Subject: Re: [313] not black enough... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org the problem isnt the type of drugs--its the kids using them. give the same 16 yr old acid...they will still create the same problems they do on K or anything else. the older you get, the more responsible you get. yes, there r some (very few) exceptions. true enough. the drugs don't suddenly improve the character of the person taking them, but I still think that certain drugs lend themselves to, if nothing else, to an atmosphere more conducive to creatve moments. yeah, some fools are still fools, regardless of how much you expand their consciousness, be it through music or drugs. cc --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy.
Re: [313] not black enough...
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:58:03 -0500 (EST) From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: c c [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] not black enough... On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, c c wrote: From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well...I think the biggest concern with dance music is that it becomes synonymous with the trippy drug scene. We're definitely moving towards that. Hey, what's wrong with bringing a little trippiness into the music?? Nothing...unless you're not into drugs. you don't need to be into drugs to appreciate some out of left field musical inventiveness. don't need to be into drugs to appreciate severed heads, cabaret voltaire, model 500, kenny larkin, shawn rudimen, etc... I personally would love to see something like goa-style trippiness and experimentation explored in Detroit techno. I've heard hints of it in a few things and its been quite fun. It'd be interesting to see the effect that's for surebut it runs counter to what I think of when I think of the music. what do you think of that it would run counter to? And I think the inner city feel that would be infused into it if it came from the black community would make it even more interesting. Change the rhythms on PE's 'Fear of a Black Planet' and you've got the makings of inner city psy-techno. Could be...but I'm just coming from a different mindset. besides, I'd rather be around a bunch of acidheads wigging out to some freaky, groovy music than a bunch of coke/k fiends looking for the next bump. Since the drugs are unavoidable in the scene, why not pick a more creative poison? This is the central question though. WHY are drugs unavoidable? I could've missed something...but drugs weren't a big part of the scene I participated in...with the exception of weed maybe, and that wasn't done in the clubs, but either before or after.. i got into music and going out LONG before I even thought about trying drugs, yet I knew people who were into it. for a number of people the music is secondary and the drugs and primary. they happen to be the one's who get noticed more freqently becuase they more obviously can't get a grip for many people, the drugs can be used to simply enhance the music. like whip cream on your hot chocolate. i personally LOVE having a good toke and then going to hear my favorite music at a club, though i go sober and remain so more often than not and enjoy the music nonetheless. having a shot of tequila or vodka at the club can be used to the same end, but few people bother to comment on that type of drug use. either way, drugs (including alcohol) and music always seem to keep close company, in every scene, like it or not. cc --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy.
Re: [313] not black enough...
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:05:49 +0100 From: Danny Wolfers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] not black enough... Well...I think the biggest concern with dance music is that it becomes synonymous with the trippy drug scene. We're definitely moving towards that. Hey, what's wrong with bringing a little trippiness into the music?? Trippiness is like communism an evil thing and should not be in your beautifull american music., If you start with a little trippiness in music it doesn't take a while before all beauty of music is gone! You'll get good producers saying: Ah..we must be trippy..well hmm...lets get rid of all that melody and musical coherence and just throw in f*ckin filtered pads and this tibetian chant everywhere..oh..wait a minute...why not put a DOLPHIN noise in the track, that is trippy man ill just keep pressing this one key oh...yeah...groovey..man i do hope you're kidding here. trippy is not in opposition to melody. trippy isn't necessarily gratuitous noise thrown in. no matter what, there will always be some producer whose line of thinking is, we must be X, so we need to do this, instead of producing something creatively without worrying about what genre it will fall into before it is even created. For me, at least, trippy is when the music is really layered and complex and the activity in the mix will change at unexpected times. Music where you really don't know what will come next. a health element of surprise and the less obvious the better. Maybe the rhythms will shift suddenly, or the ambience will starting morphing into something without regard for what the kick drum happens to be doing. Or where the minimal repetitions start affecting your perception of what is happening. some of Jeff Mills' earlier tracks really distort my perception of time (no drugs needed). Or the way kenny larkin's stuff will have lots of layering where each seems to go its own way, yet the music is cohesive. even terrence dixon's CD has some very fun, almost oblique moments. Atom Heart is the perfect example of trippy and cohesive without being gratuitous, but I guess he isn't Detroit enough... History has teached us that trippyness is the end of everything...look at the hippies, lazy f*cks who haven't achieved anything, except putting civlized society back ten years. If trippynis becomes involved in art it becomes crap. dearie! i guess where's not in kansas anymore!! cc --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy.
Re: [313] Juan Atkins....
I just think that drug addiction is pathetic but I also believe that a person must pay the price for his/her bad choices in life, I would ask the person who started this thread to give us some evidence of his addiction, even though I wouldnt doubt it. People go on drugs for all manner of reasons, sometimes when they are clinically depressed, culturally oppressed - all manner of reasons. I hope you don't judge all humanity in such terms. Gee, you can tell we're in for another dark ages Bush era in US already.
Re: [313] Juan Atkins....
I would ask the person who started this thread to give us some evidence of his addiction, even though I wouldnt doubt it. Anyone who does so should get some of those hi-tech bees on their ass. It's no one's business either way, any way. This thread is really malicious and not in the spirit of 313.
RE: [313] recovering vinyl
Actually, putting it between two sheets of glass (with the top one weighted down) and then leaving it in direct sunlight for several hours does the job quite nicely. Of course, you DO need it to be kind of sunny... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] recovering vinyl Date: 10 Dec 2000 02:53:46 - erm, I'm not sure that putting it in direct sunlight with a heavy object on top of it will actually work real well. (Is this an unknown Monty Python sketch?) I could see putting it in sunlight to soften up the vinyl and *then* putting a heavy flat object on it. My experience is that this doesn't work too well and, sadly, Jeff's other idea is better. Unfortunately it's very hard to find replacement copies even of fairly popular older tracks. phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Juan Atkins....
whether Juan Atkins has a drug problem or not is none of our business and has nothing to do with his music. This list about music, not people's personal problems. and if a great musician does have a problem, what are the fans supposed to do??? corner Miles Davis after the show and give him a speech or do a fan based intervention Most of us on this list don't even know him and if we did we wouldn't be spreading gossip on some weblist. It's none of our business and quite irrelavent. grossed out Five
Re: [313] not black enough
What people mean by that statement is the original techno sound was pioneered by Detroit dance producers like Juan Atkins in the mid to late 80's before that he was releasing electro tracks as Cybotron. Techno! The New Dance Sound of Detroit on Ten was the groundbreaking compilation that made the term popular. The first techno records can be credited to Juan Atkins, like electro techno was basically a style of dance music that originated from the drum machine and synthesizer sounds of the 80's fusing the older futuristic electro sounds of Cybotron with jackin chicago house rhythms. For example I got into dance music in the late 80's as a kid and people didn't call Ministry or Depeche Mode or bad new wave/ industrial dance music (that was played in white clubs) like Dead or Alive or Kon Kan techno even though some of the Euro stuff like E2E4 or Kraftwerk may have been an influence. The early house and techno of the eighties was primarily a Chicago, Detroit and New York thing until it had its influence on rave culture, it wasn't accepted by African Americans on the West coast or South. Techno almost broke in the states in the early 90's but it was never accepted by the masses because white kids were into grunge rock, the rave scene was to small and black radio didn't want anything to do with it unless it was hip hop - rnb. It was only until they figure out away to market the sound as electronica with the chart success of the Prodigy, they did enjoy some minor success with cheesy formulated dance acts like Technotronic, Snap, 2 unlimited on pop radio also played in sports arenas, Pro Cuts, Fitness clubs. trance is pretty much formulated trendy pop music for young suburban raver crowed who like to take ectsacy. hope this helps clarify things, stephen. I still dont quite understand the statement Techno came from Detroit very interesting concept..how things come from a place, out of the blue and how people like to ignore everything that took place priorly Nothing comes from a place..it is originated due to the influence of something else, music genres dont come from a place, they originate from other music styles, I hope you are not trying to tell me that blacks invented music Fahd Al Noor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Albuquerque, NM
Acid House?
I'm very curious to hear what 'acid house' sounds like. when it was in its heyday, i was very much into another scene and basically missed it. a friend of mine told me that early Guy Called Gerald (who i LOVE) and Eddie Flashin' Fowlkes (birth of technosoul) could be considered 'acid house'. is this true? if so, could anyone suggest something from that time period that would be worth checking out? (my friend doesn't know much more than i do, so he's not much help) cc --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy.
Re: [313] not black enough...
snip If trippynis becomes involved in art it becomes crap. snip just don't say this to any fans of dali, picasso, escher, van gogh, the doors, pink floyd etc etc etc etc etc. kyle
Re: [313] Juan Atkins....
yep lets go !! and if a great musician does have a problem, what are the fans supposed to do??? corner Miles Davis after the show and give him a speech or do a fan based intervention _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] Acid House?
cervix couch wrote: I'm very curious to hear what 'acid house' sounds like. when it was in its heyday, i was very much into another scene and basically missed it. a friend of mine told me that early Guy Called Gerald (who i LOVE) and Eddie Flashin' Fowlkes (birth of technosoul) could be considered 'acid house'. is this true? if so, could anyone suggest something from that time period that would be worth checking out? 'Acid House' describes more of a musical movement, than a specific sound or genre. It was the soundtrack to the 'Summer of Love' in the UK (@ 1988) where techno/house/rave culture broke big time (e's are good, yellow smiley faces, the rave is on etc.) It's kind of an umbrella label that describes alot of music (Chicago producers like Joe Smooth plus artists like Joey Beltram, Guy Called Gerald, Slam, Leftfield, Derrick May...) some of it amazing, and some of it not so amazing. There's quite a few CD comps (Mastercuts have one) that cover the UK 'Acid House' sound. But, if you head over to the home of house, Chicago, it's a slightly different story. Where the 'acid' sound is derived from the signature sound of the Roland TB-303 bassline machine, and the mind bending atmosphere of clubs like the Music Box. Here's some of my fav Chicago acid tracks: Virgo - 'My Space' (Trax 1986) Mr Fingers - 'Washing Machine' (Trax 1986) Phuture - 'Acid Tracks' 'You're Only Friend' (Trax 1987) Joe Smooth - 'Perfect World' (DJ International 1987?) Phuture - 'We Are Phuture' (Trax 1988) Bam Bam 0 'Where's Your Child?' (Desire-UK 1988) Mr Fingers - 'Amnesia' (Jack Trax 1988) Mr Fingers - 'Play it Loud' (Jack Trax ?) Mr Fingers - 'The Childrens House' (La Casa ?) Steve Poindexter - 'Born to Freak' (Muzique 1989) MD Connection - 'Self Preservation' (Muzique 1989) New World Order - 'Trancers' 'Luv in Hart' (Muzique ?) Gene Hunt - 'Living in a Land (a-side mix)' (Housetime 1989) Fingers - 'Ecstasy' 'The Juice' (Hot Mix 5 ?) Phortune - 'Can You Feel the Bass?' (Hot Mix 5 ?) Armando - '151' (Hot Mix 5 ?) Ten City - 'That's the Way Love Is (Stve Hurley mix)' (Atlantic 1989) yeahyeah Larry Heard didn't use a 303 on the Fingers tracks, but he 'didn't need to'! :) cheers ~Askew _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
recent housey doingz
A few months back somebody on the list was asking about Lil Louis (something about booking details?). Anyways... one of my favourite records of the year so far would have to be Kimara Lovelace's 'Misery', which came out a few months back on King Street. The main track is produced and mixed by Lil Louis (club harmony mixes), and it's a killer piece of work. Similar to the Black Magic 'Freedom' 12 on Strictly Rhythm (also with live bass by Gene Perez), but not so straight ahead... and IMHO alot better. Lil Louis back in top form. And... for something a little different. Check the Isolee mix of Turner's 'Been Out' on Ladomat 2000. This mix is more in the vein of Beau Mot Plage than the (also excellent) 'Rest' 2xLP, with driving rhythms and some nice subtle songwriting twists that gradually emerge in the arrangement. You might want to play this one at minus 4 though! Just to finish... white labels of Sound Signature # 10 and 11 have been circulating for a little while now. Both are 2 track 12s. SS010 features 'Take It' (the track that Theo played at the DEMF)... which sounds a little like a recent Recloose track. hmmm :) Hopefully both these 12s should be out in the not too distant future. peace ~Askew now we can all get back to the ongoing yo momma's on smack/not black enough/a toneshifter thread... _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Acid House?
Acid House refers to the style of music invented by DJ Pierre Just like Jesse Saunderson invented house music I invented the wheel.. and Al Gore invented the Internet.. Try- Maurice-This is Acid, probably one of the first acid tracks or Phuture-Acid Trax Fahd Al Noor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Albuquerque, NM On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 06:58:22 -0800, c c wrote: I'm very curious to hear what 'acid house' sounds like. when it was in its heyday, i was very much into another scene and basically missed it. a friend of mine told me that early Guy Called Gerald (who i LOVE) and Eddie Flashin' Fowlkes (birth of technosoul) could be considered 'acid house'. is this true? if so, could anyone suggest something from that time period that would be worth checking out? (my friend doesn't know much more than i do, so he's not much help) cc --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card
trippiness
Good music is good music. There's good 'trippiness' in the sense that just by listening to the music, you have some inkling of an altered state, without taking a drug. As I stated before, humans are always looking for a change from their normal everyday consciousness. Some of that stuff should be sold under the logo WE DO THE DRUGS SO U DON'T HAVE TO! If you want to know what's REALLY trippy -- once when I was setting up for a show, I played the 110hz sine wave test tone from my Promix at top volume over a club sound system. After about 2 minutes everyone in the place felt like they were underwater. kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jump.to/cornwarning -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes
Re: [313] recovering vinyl
A technique for recovering warped vinyl that i've used, that my friend who is a hip hop Dj told me, is to place the record on a towel on top op a clothes dryer, and then place a wholbunch of books etc. on top of it when you dry your clothes. Has done the trick for me b4. D on 12/9/00 6:38 PM, Mary Cuddehe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure this has been discussed before, but could someone please alert me to the best method for recovering warped vinyl? thanks mary _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Acid House?
didnt oakenfold start out with acid house??? that was before my time.
Re: [313] Acid House?
As for DJ Pierre, if you're gonna be in NYC this coming Tuesday he's doing a special 2-hr set at Filter 14 [ Mother , for all of those of you in the old school :) ]... experience Acid House from the man for whom the term is coined. - Pete - Original Message - From: Fahd Al Noor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: c c [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [313] Acid House? Acid House refers to the style of music invented by DJ Pierre Just like Jesse Saunderson invented house music I invented the wheel.. and Al Gore invented the Internet.. Try- Maurice-This is Acid, probably one of the first acid tracks or Phuture-Acid Trax Fahd Al Noor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Albuquerque, NM On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 06:58:22 -0800, c c wrote: I'm very curious to hear what 'acid house' sounds like. when it was in its heyday, i was very much into another scene and basically missed it. a friend of mine told me that early Guy Called Gerald (who i LOVE) and Eddie Flashin' Fowlkes (birth of technosoul) could be considered 'acid house'. is this true? if so, could anyone suggest something from that time period that would be worth checking out? (my friend doesn't know much more than i do, so he's not much help) cc --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Acid House?
Acid House was a label put onto music after DJ Pierre's Acid Tracks came out on Chicago Trax. The tag was picked up by British Ravers and the media because everyone was going to raves and doing LSD. Also the smiley face symbol which was synonimous with acid usage in the 60's got picked up by ravers and the media alike as a symbol representing the rave scene of the late 80s. What really constituted an Acid House track back then was the use of the Roland 303 bass machine and the squelchy 'acidic' bass sounds it produced, combined, at first with the kind of Chicago Jack beat that artists like Pierre, Me Lee, Farley Jackmaster Funk and Armando were using. For some clasic examples check out Farley Jackmaster Funks 'The Acid Life', DJ Pierres 'Acid Trax', Tyree Cooper's 'Acid over' and Fast Eddie's 'Acid Thunder'. For a more contemporary interpritation of Acid house then check out Holland's Terrace who records as 'The Acid Junkies' on Dutch Djax Upbeats. Peace Stewart
Re: [313] not black enough
TOO BLACK TOO STRONG! :) aziza From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] not black enough Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:27:19 EST when I use the term Black I am referring to people of the African diaspora and African musical influences. Detroit Techno is not Black because Black people made it in the begginning. It is Black because it utilizes African musical concepts of rhythm instead of an European emphasis on melody. But I'm not going to stick to that too much either because I'm sure that Africans utilize melody as well. But for the sake of American radio and its racist programming I want to make this distinction. No one ever said that Detroit pioneers are and were not influenced by other kinds of music. Yes Germany plays a big role because of Kraftwerk. But Juan Atkins said the Kraftwerk told him their biggest influence is James Brown ( a Black American rhythm master). I want to recall Lester Kenyatta's post about the first people coming from Africa and how strong their cultural contributions have been on the world. No one is saying that music springs up out of nowhere, Kodwo Eshun says that music is its own genesis but I can't agree with that because that sounds ahistorical but what I am saying is that this thing called Detroit Techno comes from Detroit. And these men and women are the pioneers of this music and that has something to do with the people who picked up on it later; they were listening to these folks. I still don't quite understand this disbelief over Blacks inventing music because I think that, that is a decontextualized statement. Five - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] not black enough
I dont quite understand what you mean by American radio and its racist programming, lets see, if I tune into an American rap station and all they play is rap, I must say..they are racist because they are not playing Swedish techno and some times I just wish they werent racist and played some Joel Mull or Adam Beyer tunes instead of playing that rap junk, I feel oppressed now! Not white enough! Fahd Al Noor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Albuquerque, NM On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:27:19 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when I use the term Black I am referring to people of the African diaspora and African musical influences. Detroit Techno is not Black because Black people made it in the begginning. It is Black because it utilizes African musical concepts of rhythm instead of an European emphasis on melody. But I'm not going to stick to that too much either because I'm sure that Africans utilize melody as well. But for the sake of American radio and its racist programming I want to make this distinction. ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card
Re: [313] Acid House?
i dunno. you think it was a bandwagon back then? maybe that was when he actually cared? now he is on one.god its really bad too. mike
Re: [313] Acid House?
The bandwagon theory is very present in house music, maybe more than in techno , but truth is, a lot of the people that were doing decent underground stuff back then sold out big time, DJ Pierre actually remixed Rupaul :)..Oakenfold remixed U2 and so on.. Fahd Al Noor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Albuquerque, NM On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:02:58 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dunno. you think it was a bandwagon back then? maybe that was when he actually cared? now he is on one.god its really bad too. mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card
Subject: Re: [313] recovering vinyl
I've used the hair dryer/airing cupboard/sink of hot water method then put it under a huge pile of records - normally its reasonably successful but the record will never be perfect again. Also if its warped really badly even going over it with a steam roller won't do any good! If you need to clean your records make a really strong solution of washing up liquid (so its still green), spray that on (avoiding labels) and leave for a couple of minutes; try to avoid rubbing with a cloth in case there is any dirt particles which will scratch your grooves... fill your bathroom sink up just to the level enough to avoid reaching the labels and rinse the record thoroughly. Do the other side and rinse again - if possible leave it soaking for an hour or so and rotate. Take it out and prop it up in the bath or somewhere similar vertically for about half an hour and let the water run off. If you want to be fancy you can then use an antistatic record spray available from good record stores (and a lot of wack ones too). If that doesn't do the trick the record is ***ed. If you have a scratched cd you can possibly recover it by rubbing toothpaste over the scratched area with a soft cloth for about 5 minutes. Your cd may end up tasting of mint but will sound like new again! BABY DIDDY
NOT : BLACK, WHITE, RED, YELLOW, WHATEVER ENOUGH....
Hallo, Well.for the past few days I have been observing the posts to the list pertaining to the roots of techno, and the ethnicity behind the ingenuity that sparked a form of music that we obviously all love (otherwise we wouldn't be on this list!). I have read through the many differing viewpoints on this topic, and as fellow patron of techno AND the actual Detroit area, I would like to put in my two cents. I have lived many different places, and I have a very diverse background. I am, in ethnic terms, German-Jewish, Native American, African American, and a wee bit of Scottish. I have lived in Germany, and basically in every spectrum of the 313 area...or, rather, what used to be the entire 313 area for those of you who know what I am talking about... I have seen the way that, techno, has been absorbed by Europe and sent back to the U.S., foolin people over here into thinkin that some crafty Euro-DJ's and producers were the one's who Invented it. I have always known where techno came from, though. I have boxes of tapes from early radio shows in the Detroit area...for example Electrifying Mojo, Deepspace...whateva..my brothers got me into the whole scene at a very young age, and I have been payin attention ever since. But anyways... Techno, as far as I am concerned, WAS a black thing to begin with. I dunno what you want to call the stuff that comes out of anywhere else but Detroit, but as far as DETROIT techno goes, I say that it still is a black thing. Don't get me wrong and think that I am sayin there aren't any excellent white producers out there, but like most any other form of music that people listen to today, techno was originated with a bit of soul, and, well, we all know where the soul power comes from Call me biased because I was raised on Gospel, Soul, anything and everything Motown, and a lot of RB, but Detroit is a musical city.and most of that is due to non-white folks. My two cents, let the flames begin! :] Stefan _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] not black enough
American radio just like everything in America is divided into White and Black. Detroit Techno is not considered Black because it is not embraced by Vibe magazine or programmed onto R B station formats. Rock and Roll is seen as a white music even though its innovators are Black ;Chuck Berry, Ike Turner, and others. So that a Black rock, funk and roll band like Fishbone (all Black band) can not be sold to the public by most marketing departments at major labels because they don't know how to sell this Black band doing white music. Wynton Marsalis (Black) is a superb Classical musician and a mediocre jazz player. When he won grammies one year for the best jazz and classical albums the people who run Jazz at Lincoln Center (New York CIty Jazz Program) gave him charge over that program. The implication is that they would rather have a Black man in charge of Black music like jazz instead of a White music like classical. Comprendre Five
Re: [313] Acid House?
How is the bandwagon thing prevalent in house??
