brinkmann opens the can of worms
I think this is my post to 313, so I'd better step carefully. But I'm surprised, in all this talk of appropriation across the color lines of musical tradition, that no-one's mentioned Thomas Brinkmann's Soul Center projects (apologies if they have, and I missed the posts). A German producer best known for starkly minimalist techno (at its most reduced, it's simply a dub-techno form constructed out of samples from runout grooves and physically lacerated vinyl), his Soul Center records heavily sample Motown, Stax and other classic soul recordings. The form largely follows the clicky house structures of his other work, but the tone color's totally different. At the same time, he gives props and recognition to his predecessors and sources, largely effacing his own role: his own name appears nowhere on the records, while he includes a long list of those that inspired him. There are plenty of interesting issues going on here; the ownership of a particular tradition (for instance, what constitutes black music, and what does the race of the producer have to do with the tradition? 2000 Black posits their music in the black musical tradition, and yet it's a multiracial crew involved in those recordings), the nature of appropriation and authorship, the curious German fascination with African-American music and culture. Atom Heart's Geeez'n'Gosh project works in very similar terrain. I've been thinking a lot about these things because I'm working on an article about (mostly German) microhouse--labels like Perlon, Playhouse, Kompakt--and I found there was no way to really talk about the music without addressing the race issues. Anyway, for what it's worth. I don't mean to stir up the debate, but perhaps these issues will spark some other interesting ideas. Cheers, Philip
help me out here!
hey, i'm a litle unclear on the rules.. is a chinaman allowed to steal music from an arab?
RE: [313] LFO
:::It took me a year to track down another copy of LFO (first one :::was stilen :::when my car was broken into some years ago). Found it in a used :::music shop :::here in Ann Arbor. Try second hand stores in your area. it also seems to get released on reactivate compilations (vinyl cd) every two years or so. So if you don't mind it not being the original it shouldn't be too hard too find andrew
Fatboy Slim At DEMF
I interviewed him this morning for an Australian tour and he says he is not playing DEMF, hasn't been asked as far as he knows of, and is otherwise committed for those dates anyway. So he is not a 'special guest'. Best Cyclone
RE: [313] Optic Nerve release(Delsin)
From Delsin's mailout: 16dsr/otn1 available April 2001 | Optic Nerve - Pharaoh's Doorway Hope this helps. Respect JasonB -- From: Matthew Gerbasi[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:12 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Optic Nerve release(Delsin) does anyone know the exact release date of the Pharoh release on Delsin? I thought it was early April but not sure exactly when. thanks matthew Matthew Gerbasi |l| Darcy Detroit lll Cadillac Regional Traffic|l| 248-458-8567|l| [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eliminate your ego by having self confidence without pride -- Basi - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] brinkmann opens the can of worms [LONG]
- Original Message - From: Philip Sherburne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: [313] brinkmann opens the can of worms There are plenty of interesting issues going on here; the ownership of a particular tradition (for instance, what constitutes black music, and what does the race of the producer have to do with the tradition? 2000 Black posits their music in the black musical tradition, and yet it's a multiracial crew involved in those recordings), the nature of appropriation and authorship, the curious German fascination with African-American music and culture. Atom Heart's Geeez'n'Gosh project works in very similar terrain. This is an angle that interests me, and may bring the rest of these threads together into one. As Diana said, we're talking about a few different things right now, and only some of them are really topical. Laura, Otto, Johnny and Philip have persuaded me that this part of it is not only topical, but important - even if we've convered most of this ground before. Your question about Brinkmann reminds me of The Wonderful/Horrible Life of Leni Reinestahl, which is a documentary on her life. She was the Nazi documentarian under Hitler. She made films like Triumph of the Spirit and Olympia I+II, which are widely regarded as some of the most effective propoganda films ever. Very subtle, and ever-so manipulative of the German psyche at that time. You've probably seen footage from these films if you've ever seen footage of the 1936 olympics, or extensive footage of Hitler. I hope I don't have to spend my time disclaiming that I in no way endorse Nazism, but I've studied her films in film school, and I'm very interested in the phenomenon of Nazi Germany and how such an attrocious ideology could come take hold of the German psyche. At any rate, she later denounced her Nazi ties (a topic which can fill a book on its own), and in the 50's or 60's made a documentary on the Nuba (sp?), an African tribe with very little if anything documented on them to that point. The documentary on her spends a lot of time trying to reduce the effort to an extension of the Nazi cult of the body, while it seemed to me like an open, genuine investigation of their beliefs, rituals and way of life. If I recall, she spent years with them. So my point is that I think the German fascination with African and Afro-[insert nationality] culture has been around for a while, and can be found in the most seemingly unlikely places. The movie talks about it quite a bit. For that matter, I've noticed that pretty much any nationality of white Europeans seem to be more receptive to Motown, Funk, Jazz, Reggae/Dub, House/Techno and R+B than their American counterparts. You could very easilly chalk this up to the influence of corporate radio/MTV and major labels who have managed to convince the majority of white and black American music buyers that black music is for black people and white music is for white people, with the exception of rap. It seems to me there's no racist agenda on the part of these companies, but there's a stratifying effect from their marketing engines. Most of these companies don't care what the hell happens one way or the other as long as they can make money. That seems to me why rap is marketed to everyone - because it sells. I don't think in this day and age they are intentionally trying to enforce a racist ideology. But as Johnny, Otto and Laura were saying, there is an undisputed effect of holding back African American artists when it comes to Detroit Techno, and some other supposedly white forms of music. I think they are *absolutely* complicit in this - but I also think it's important to understand the mechanics behind their decisions. This is an effect of stagnation in their marketing departments, and that's how it's always been. If by fluke or brilliant marketing coup, Detroit techno started really blowing up, I wager there would be a deluge of African American techno from every one of the 5 major labels. This is because their marketing departments are 100% reactionary. How often do you see trully innovative music *from a new artist* debuting in pop charts? Never. This is because they don't take chances. I think this is deplorable, and the effect is discriminatory, particularly for African American electronic music producers. So that's one issue we've been discussing, but there's also this whole issue of appropriators and how they contribute to the problem. I'm surprised no one's mentioned Tosca's Opera album while we're on the topic. Every time I get involved in an M word debate with a non-electonic music listening friend, I tell them to listen to that album. They both use samples extensively, but Dorfmeister and Huber don't simply build soul-less music around a catchy African American sample - they create a coherent whole, synthesizing multinational elements along the way - and they've always done that. I think what Wes was
Re: [313] The Truth Hurts Sometimes
Well, TLB Jr. *is* white. No argument there! He uses the pseudonym because his real name sounds 'too white'. jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Truth I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself... the truth is always most credible when it comes from someone using an assumed name. if you're so sure of your truths, why don't you post them under your real name? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jeff ?/~THINK OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITCOM~\! ICQ904008 (but I'm never on) http://www.freedonation.com (costs you nothing. try it)
art of dance
does a webpage for AOD exist? thank you. Andy Toth
conflictpassion
Does anything you care about DRIVE you anywhere??? What is the vehicle for your passion??? nice question...i would add why do you shy away from conflict? from anger? why do you assume anger is bad or unproductive? why must discussions be smooth, orderly, efficient and supportive for you to call them mature? what are these feelings a product of? your enculturation? why do you venerate sameness (oh we're all just people)? why can't you see that it is not our differences that separate us but our refusal to recognize these differences? -k
Re: [313] brinkmann opens the can of worms [LONG]
Well Tristan definitely posted something very thoughtful. I have a simpler take on Soul Center -- it kicks ass. I drop that record and people go off. The sampling of black music on those records quotes as an homage, and the way he cuts and arranges brings something new to old music. It's straight up tight soul music, and Brinkmann definitely brings a lot of that soul to the table. I never met a black DJ who wouldn't play a good record by a white producer. In fact, I'd say black musicians, in general, think about the music before skin color. Charlie Parker, a very angry, proud black man played with white people all the time. For the true musicians, whatever color, it's about who's a head and who isn't. Which is NOT to say that there isn't anger and racism in the world, or that white people aren't ripping off black people. It just means that if you care about music deeply, you see Igor Stravinsky and Jeff Mills, not a Russian and a black man. What they do is way beyond all the petty tribalism and xenophobia. And if you're really listening to what they're playing they can take you beyond with them. kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cornwarning.com -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes
[313] beastie boys at DEMF???
a friend called me today, he was listening to one of the rb/rap stations (either 105.9 or 97.9, he couldn't remember) around 2 pm and the jock was making an announcement about the DEMF and said that aside from the artists she highlighted, de la soul and mixmaster mike, that just released today the beastie boys were announced as a special guest. and his reaction was i love the beastie boys, but...what is this, lollapalooza? just wanted to know if anyone heard the same. --jan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
A bit harsh?
- Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Philip Sherburne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [313] brinkmann opens the can of worms [LONG] And would someone please boot this Chrise fella? (S)he is contributing nothing but kerosene. I thought maybe I was a bit harsh with this statement, but chinaman and arab? ? ? Come on, please at least make an attempt at sensitivity. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - My music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Titonton
the other week i picked up the new planet e double. its got a track buy Titonton thats tight. I was just wondering what other tracks people like from him. hes got some stuff on Residual and a double called Voyeurism (i think). One day i overheard kent williams talking about how Titonton was more of a composer and was taught music theory. i havent seen his new cd yet. is it something thats going to be pressed on wax. can anyone add to this. ryan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Titonton
- Original Message - From: ryan burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: [313] Titonton the other week i picked up the new planet e double. its got a track buy Titonton thats tight. I was just wondering what other tracks people like from him. hes got some stuff on Residual and a double called Voyeurism (i think). One day i overheard kent williams talking about how Titonton was more of a composer and was taught music theory. i havent seen his new cd yet. is it something thats going to be pressed on wax. can anyone add to this. Ryan, I think you'd really like some of his earlier stuff if you can find it. I have an EP on 21/22 corp that has an excellent track by him as CrO2. That's long out of print though. His Of the Essence on Metamorphik is more recent, but great too. These two tracks are towards the end of my New and Old and Bang mixes on my site if you're interested in hearing them. For me, I'm kind of hit or miss with his releases. Some of it is a bit too much along the lines of quirkier Dan Curtin. I tend to prefer his more straight-forward work when I'm spinning, but it's all good to listen to. His betalounge set has really made me curious about the new stuff. I'm sure it's top notch. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - My music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] beastie boys at DEMF???
I doubt that is true. There isn't enough room in detroit for techno lovers and beastie boy lovers. hhahah anyway... If they were a special guest... why would they announce it this soon? =) Lorie - Original Message - From: Jan D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:40 PM Subject: [313] beastie boys at DEMF??? a friend called me today, he was listening to one of the rb/rap stations (either 105.9 or 97.9, he couldn't remember) around 2 pm and the jock was making an announcement about the DEMF and said that aside from the artists she highlighted, de la soul and mixmaster mike, that just released today the beastie boys were announced as a special guest. and his reaction was i love the beastie boys, but...what is this, lollapalooza? just wanted to know if anyone heard the same. --jan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Titonton
the other week i picked up the new planet e double. its got a track buy Titonton thats tight. I was just wondering what other tracks people like from him. hes got some stuff on Residual and a double called Voyeurism (i think). One day i overheard kent williams talking about how Titonton was more of a composer and was taught music theory. i havent seen his new cd yet. is it something thats going to be pressed on wax. can anyone add to this. yes, it will be pressed on wax along with a remix of jen will tell ya off of his last residual ep the pornographic ep the new remix is called jen will tell ya diffrent I think you'd really like some of his earlier stuff if you can find it. I have an EP on 21/22 corp that has an excellent track by him as CrO2. this is actually charles noel, aka monochrome/archetype, titontons stuff is all under his own name on the 21/22 releases.titonton has tracks on trace elements volume 12 and a track co-produced with morgan geist on trace 3. he has other releases on metamorphic, multiplex, phono, 2000 black, starbaby, residual (his label) and others that escape me right now... His betalounge set has really made me curious about the new stuff. I'm sure it's top notch. absolutely. his new album was produced with a gang of live musicians (violin, upright bass, drums, etc) and is VERY well produced. it is nothing short of incredible. if you have ever seen his live pa with his ensemble, you know what i am talking about. I know that he is playing at demf, but i'm not sure if it will be with the crew or not. ...kev... www.mp3.com/kevinkrahel _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] tristan opens the can of kerosene [LONG)
Is this the first thread ever that won't die once someone mentions Nazism? And would someone please boot this Chrise fella? (S)he is contributing nothing but kerosene. i thought i'd substitute chinamen and arabs in place of nazis. I assumed the absurdity of the statement would be glaringly obvious, but I forgot which list I was posting to.. i think the someone you're referring to would be the list administrators. feel free to write them at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] alternately, you can try telling me if you have a problem with something i say. that's how problems are usually resolved. then again, i can understand why you'd be intimidated by my kerosene to the point where you'd be so AFRAID to approach me directly that you just couldn't do it. (s)he, chris
Christian Morgensen
I wondered if anyone is familiar with Christian Morgensen, a techno producer out of Cologne. I mainly want to verify the spelling - I have just written it phonetically in German. Some info may be good too.
Re: [313] tristan opens the can of kerosene [LONG)
chinamen, arabs, nazis nor kerosene have any relevance to 313 in this context. perhaps you should post these types of comments to other lists where off topic posts are tolerated/encouraged. kev _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Christian Morgensen
Christian Morgenstern is his name, and he's published (mostly) to my knowledge on his Forte label. The most notable recent releases include a 12 Hawaii Blue and Death Before Disco and Re: Death Before Disko, a remix package of its namesake, with work by Alter Ego, Ural 13, Neil Landstrumm, John Tejada, Soulcenter and DJ Slip. Cool, grooved out techno from the Koln region. I'm sure you know of other labels in their ilk. You can get other detailed info from www.sonicgroove.com/m_frame.html . Vince Woolums AOL IM: vincewoolums http://www.recordcollectorinc.com Subject: [313] Christian Morgensen I wondered if anyone is familiar with Christian Morgensen, a techno producer out of Cologne. I mainly want to verify the spelling - I have just written it phonetically in German. Some info may be good too.
retro futurism (sort of RE:[313] Perspects IN NYC)
sense of style) these two bring the sounds of Yesterday's Tomorrow today. Just noticed this in a post and it reminded me of deep dish and how they consider their music retro futurism. I think they said its mainly because of their use of analog synths - anyway my point is this: I still think of synth pop/electronic as futuristic music and analog synths as futuristic synthesizers. It might be yesterdays fashion or technology - but todays technology and fashion is generally less futuristic. A high-tech synth that does a great job of sounding like a centuries old instrument is not terribly futuristic to me. I dont think we need to call it retro futurism, its still the music of tommorow. A cheesy 70's scifi synth sound is far more modern than the guitars of the current bands. Bring on the exploration of sounds, even if some ppl think it sounds out of fashion. Scott. http://www.mp3.com/ScottVallance
German techno that fits 313?
Hello guys! Coming from Germany i asked myself how the list (you) think about the german techno scene and its producers. Most of the people on the list are not living in Germany i think and so i would find it interesting to hear some opinions from outside. In my opinion the german techno thing is really bring, because they all hear and produce and spin only the hard banging soulless crap called Schranz in Germany. There are only a few people from Germany that make really melodic and 313 related music. We are not talking about Basic Channel or Maurizio of course How do you think about german techno? Am i the only one that thinks that it is crap? Arne Weinberg Propaganda Rec./Groundzero Rec. °°°
Re: [313] Christian Morgensen
it's Christian Morgenstern can't tell you much about him except that i like his stuff. the new Hawaii Blue on Forte is really nice. At 2:32 PM +1000 4/4/01, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I wondered if anyone is familiar with Christian Morgensen, a techno producer out of Cologne. I mainly want to verify the spelling - I have just written it phonetically in German. Some info may be good too. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Titonton
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, ryan burns wrote: the other week i picked up the new planet e double. its got a track buy Titonton thats tight. I was just wondering what other tracks people like from him. hes got some stuff on Residual and a double called Voyeurism (i think). i have the remixes of Voyerism on Starbaby. Can't remember what tracks and remixes there was, and by whom. Anyway, good 12. I also like that Extrapolation remixes 12 on Metamorphic - it's quite nice. Although, once again, can't remember who did the remixes, it's a bit electro-y stuff, but not the current retro-80's or detroit-electro -styles. More like electro in Metamorphic way, ie it's really weird. sakke -- A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance. -- Stanislaw Lem
RE: [313] Titonton
My favourite is his e.p. on Environ that he did with Morgan Geist. I think it was just called Titonton Morgan or vice-versa, either way it is top class. Respect Jason -- From: ryan burns[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:54 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Titonton the other week i picked up the new planet e double. its got a track buy Titonton thats tight. I was just wondering what other tracks people like from him. hes got some stuff on Residual and a double called Voyeurism (i think). One day i overheard kent williams talking about how Titonton was more of a composer and was taught music theory. i havent seen his new cd yet. is it something thats going to be pressed on wax. can anyone add to this. ryan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Titonton
On a related note to all the real techno junkies. Trace Elements Vol. 1 (LEVEL 1203) Which has been unavailable for almost 5 years, has received an extremely limited repress. It is available from Sonic Groove (NY) Formic (Germany) these are two of the companies that have supported the label since its inception and these are the companies that continue to support it plus many other underground labels. Though it doesn't contain it's original sleeve art, the labels are the same. Featuring some of the earliest works from Titonton, Todd Sines, Archetype and lastly the coveted track by M.C. Jones Gleek Morgan Geist, Titonton Duvante John Tejada are three of the most original and constantly evolving artist and I would suggest that everyone investigate not only their current output but also ALL of their past releases. Working on the Underground Giving love to all the TRUE PEOPLE Base camp T.O. David Cooper www.roundtablemusic.com
laurent Garnier Mix Show Track ID
Yo, Please somebody ID the track starting at 1:01:30 on the following mix show: Laurent Garnier Essential Mix 30-Jan-2000.mp3 I got it off Napster. It is a Radio 1 essential mix selection from London. I can send a RealAudio sample if you wish. dr. attaman
Re: [313] Christian Morgensen
Christian Morgenstern - and he got his name from a german poet of that name... Morgenstern translates into morning star Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go/Restructured - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:32 AM Subject: [313] Christian Morgensen I wondered if anyone is familiar with Christian Morgensen, a techno producer out of Cologne. I mainly want to verify the spelling - I have just written it phonetically in German. Some info may be good too. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Playin' Tresor again
I'll be playing alongside sender berlin this friday at Tresor - anyone in the neighbourhood, feel free to say hi. (carl cox on thursday - jay denham on saturday ;) Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go/Restructured
OT: barkin' mad genius (Chris Korda)
What is this guy up to music-wise? Do you know any related artists? thanks christoph PS. anyone recorded that jerry springer show? http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/spritran.html _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
events in nyc?
i'll be paying my first visit to new york this weekend and was wondering if there were any interesting things going on. p.
Re: [313] 326
Yep, I messed up names, I checked my copy last night and it is of course Dion Williams :-) RD Isn't Duane Harden the person who sang the vocals for Armand's You Don't Know Me:-) Ciao, Joel - Original Message - From: stuffed bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [313] 326 I believe 326 was Duane Harden. The track Just Like Heaven received a fabulous remix treatment by Armando and Mike Dunn on Muzique Records. RD Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com
Re: [313] Christian Morgensen
his name is actually christian morgenstern,and i'm sorry to say that i actually don't know much more than thati think he might be also known as heiko laux. -dharma _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [313] Christian Morgensen
his name is actually christian morgenstern,and i'm sorry to say that i actually don't know much more than thati think he might be also known as heiko laux. So as Christian Morgenstern he runs Forte and under his (own?) naam Heiko Laux he is running Kanzleramt? Are you sure these guys are the same person?
Re: [313] Fatboy Slim At DEMF
Well Praise allah (sic) for that; that would really stretch the definition of 'special', to include half assed musicians that have contributed wholeheartedly to the regression of electronic music. I never realised there was a possibility that he was threatening to attend. on 4/4/01 9:41 AM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I interviewed him this morning for an Australian tour and he says he is not playing DEMF, hasn't been asked as far as he knows of, and is otherwise committed for those dates anyway. So he is not a 'special guest'. Best Cyclone - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Christian Morgensen
all i know is that i have a compilation called neuhouse, which features a christian morgenstern track and on the credits it also says heiko laux/kanzleramt underneath his name. From: Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Christian Morgensen Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:49:59 +0200 his name is actually christian morgenstern,and i'm sorry to say that i actually don't know much more than thati think he might be also known as heiko laux. So as Christian Morgenstern he runs Forte and under his (own?) naam Heiko Laux he is running Kanzleramt? Are you sure these guys are the same person? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Strings of Life
morning all! there's a debate on the UK-Dance mailing list about Strings of Life at the moment and something that's come up is the old chestnut about who wrote the piano hook. i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that Derrick took it from a piece of music written by one of his friends, a guy called Michael James or Stuart James. anyone confirm, or deny, or know different? ta rob _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
RE: [313] Strings of Life
there's a debate on the UK-Dance mailing list about Strings of Life at the moment and something that's come up is the old chestnut about who wrote the piano hook. i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that Derrick took it from a piece of music written by one of his friends, a guy called Michael James or Stuart James. My copy of 'Strings of Live' says that this track was written and produced by Michael James and Mayday. On later releases there's just Derrick's name. I don't have a clue who this Michael James fellow is. Funny to know that the beside of that record was co-produced by Blake Baxter, according to John's interview with Blake in Overload. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Strings of Life
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, rob webb wrote: morning all! there's a debate on the UK-Dance mailing list about Strings of Life at the moment and something that's come up is the old chestnut about who wrote the piano hook. i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that Derrick took it from a piece of music written by one of his friends, a guy called Michael James or Stuart James. memory claims it's Michael James. sakke -- A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance. -- Stanislaw Lem
Re: [313] German techno that fits 313?
Arne.Weinberg: Coming from Germany i asked myself how the list (you) think about the german techno scene and its producers. In my opinion the german techno thing is really bring, because they all hear and produce and spin only the hard banging soulless crap called Schranz For certain people (like me) the german sound was really important in the early 90's to mid 90's. What records/labels you mean by Schranz? I would think there are people that really HATE the Cologne minimalism sound. Cologne's acid sound is a whole different story... For me the germans kept the original attitude of the early Chicago (and later Detroit with Tresor etc.) sound and production values better than, say, the folks in England. And you can't really deny that when you're talking about electronic music in general, Germany is in a class of it's own. -Proffit _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Optic Nerve release (Delsin)
previously... does anyone know the exact release date of the Pharoh release on Delsin? snip yeah - it should be out in april, it's very good as well... ok - marsel pays me to say stuff like this ;) stephen http://nortroute.net _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
RE: [313] the race debate
Some people like Moby more than Mike Banks. More fools them? Maybe. Get over it. S: If it affected your daily bread, you might flare your nostrils a bit as well. There is nothing ridiculous about wanting to thrive wheterh you're a white european or a balck american. We are speaking to the economics, politics and propaganda of Dance here. If you believe in the culture/music/movement as a way of erasing, which it has clearly done, the delinations and boudaries between races, countries, territories, borders I am shocked that you wish to simply ignore those wishing to exploit it and ridicule those wishing to maintain it and thrive from their efforts and contributions. From: Steven Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] the race debate Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:22:34 +0100 Some of you will be the first in line to buy your tickets, but I caution you. If this does, in fact, occur as it has been outlined to me, the global family...and I mean the FOR REAL mugs-- the world over-- will respond. Try to take over, white wash, distort, divert or dilute any of our accomplishments or economics and there will be consequences. We are a force to be reckoned with when unified and I cannot think of a better opportunity! Or we could just ignore them and keep doing it better, action not reaction you know? But I am a white european so do I qualify to use the word 'we' in the above sentence? This has evolved into such an absurd thread. Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Christian Morgensen
Hi Cyclone check this out: http://www.sonox.com/label.box?id=CO3a5300cd7762c Forte web: http://www.forterecords.com Peace janos At 02:32 PM 4/4/2001 +1000, you wrote: I wondered if anyone is familiar with Christian Morgensen, a techno producer out of Cologne. I mainly want to verify the spelling - I have just written it phonetically in German. Some info may be good too. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Christian Morgensen
No . Hes not Heiko. janos At 03:42 AM 4/4/2001 -0400, Dharma Fowler wrote: his name is actually christian morgenstern,and i'm sorry to say that i actually don't know much more than thati think he might be also known as heiko laux. -dharma _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Strings of Life
anybody heard the bootleg going about of strings of life with the flamenco breakdown? peeey avoid, please dont let this get big. paul - Original Message - From: Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'rob webb' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: RE: [313] Strings of Life there's a debate on the UK-Dance mailing list about Strings of Life at the moment and something that's come up is the old chestnut about who wrote the piano hook. i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that Derrick took it from a piece of music written by one of his friends, a guy called Michael James or Stuart James. My copy of 'Strings of Live' says that this track was written and produced by Michael James and Mayday. On later releases there's just Derrick's name. I don't have a clue who this Michael James fellow is. Funny to know that the beside of that record was co-produced by Blake Baxter, according to John's interview with Blake in Overload. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Titonton
Speaking of Titonton...check out Motor this Saturday. SAT 4.7.01 10p, 18+ FRED EVERYTHING Montreal's finest house export. He may be a new name to most of you, but you really should trust us for a change TITONTON DUVANTE- LIVE Josh's favorite techno dj makes a rare live appearance featuring a percussionist and cello player. This will be a preview show before Titontons newly announced set at the DEMF 2001 GABE REAL CLARK WARNER LIZ COPELAND -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:09 AM To: ryan burns; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Titonton - Original Message - From: ryan burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: [313] Titonton the other week i picked up the new planet e double. its got a track buy Titonton thats tight. I was just wondering what other tracks people like from him. hes got some stuff on Residual and a double called Voyeurism (i think). One day i overheard kent williams talking about how Titonton was more of a composer and was taught music theory. i havent seen his new cd yet. is it something thats going to be pressed on wax. can anyone add to this. Ryan, I think you'd really like some of his earlier stuff if you can find it. I have an EP on 21/22 corp that has an excellent track by him as CrO2. That's long out of print though. His Of the Essence on Metamorphik is more recent, but great too. These two tracks are towards the end of my New and Old and Bang mixes on my site if you're interested in hearing them. For me, I'm kind of hit or miss with his releases. Some of it is a bit too much along the lines of quirkier Dan Curtin. I tend to prefer his more straight-forward work when I'm spinning, but it's all good to listen to. His betalounge set has really made me curious about the new stuff. I'm sure it's top notch. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - My music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] record stores in paris?
Hello! Check: Da Groove records shop = house 17, rue de l'Echiquier 75010 Paris Métro:Bonne Nouvelle tel : 01 48 010 318 Basement Trax = techno, house, db, electro... 22, rue de Hauteville 75010 Paris Métro:Bonne Nouvelle tel : 01 40 22 05 82 Katapult imports= techno, house, db, electro... 10, rue E.Lockroy 75011 Paris Métro:Parmentier tel : 01 47 00 33 75 Techno import== techno, house, db, electro, trance, hardcore... rue des Taillandiers 75011 Paris Métro:Bastille Lot of records but the guys are simply dreadful and not-friendly! Fnac ITALIENS Boulevard des Italiens 75009 Paris Métro:Richelieu-Drouot Lot of Cds and some vinyls. Ask for Sylvain or Bertrand (the 2 persons responsible of the e-music department) who are real music-lovers! Peace, z From: armin holzgethan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] record stores in paris? Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:53:07 +0200 hi i'm visiting paris for a few days next week and i need some advice on good record stores there. ideally with a large backstock section, as i'm still looking for some stuff i missed the first time around, but any suggestion is more than welcome. merci et salut armin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
my 3 South African cents on the techno/race issue (and that's less than half a US cent)
I've followed this debate for the last couple of days with interest (although I have to admit that I never intended on becoming embroiled in such matters when I signed up to the list for reasons of musical interest), because clearly it is a topic of integral importance to the techno movement. Coming from South Africa, a country with as racially divided a past as any, I feel that I have a couple of points that may be worth a mention here. Firstly, the issues that are raised in this debate are larger societal problems not limited to techno or even music as a whole, but any forum that provides an opportunity raise awareness should be used! On the issue of people getting signed to major labels, the record industry (major labels) has always been much more interested in money than in giving due credit or financial reward to the people who are responsible for the music in the first place. It's a capitalist game, and the reality of the situation is that it is controlled by a few very wealthy white people. A case in point is a local group Ladysmith Black Mambazo (definitely not techno but a case in point for this example), who have sold hundreds of thousands of copies of records worldwide over the last 25 years and have seen virtually no reward for it. The whole Napster issue highlighted that most of those artists who do get signed to major labels don't get to see the proceeds of the work anyway. In this consumer driven society that we find ourselves in, record companies merely need to find one or two radio friendly artists to market to the public to reap huge returns. Such a small minority benefit, and factors such as racism compound this problem, particularly in the choice of who gets signed and marketed, but I would have to question whether, even given the opportunity, may/mills/saunderson/any number of notable others would want to be associated with that corporate money-grabbing anyway, as it would essentially equate to being a lottery winner celebrating his windfall and sudden rise from poverty as some kind of fundamental change for society as a whole! Still, that doesn't change the fact that it's inherently unfair and is something that needs to be redressed! And about artists not giving credit where it's due, (imho) RESPECT is just about the most important thing in life, and those artists who don't pay the necessary dues only serve to further alienate themselves from the rest of the artistic community. If it's done with financial reward as the main reason, even mores the pity! Everyone involved is entitled to make as much of a stink as they like about them and, above all, it's their choice and right not to support them. Not long ago (I was there for a year in 1999), the vast majority of the US population regarded any form of electronic music as techno, and they are the ones who view Moby as the US techno saviour. Those more educated and dedicated to the scene and to what it stands for DO give credit where it is due be it black, white, whatever (Hardfloor's Respect as an example), and are committed to keeping moving forward. And we shouldn't forget to focus on the positives too as examples of what should be done! My personal thanks and respect goes out to the founding gurus of this music that gives me and plenty others so much joy, and to everyone involved at all levels in keeping it moving forward! Everything you do makes a difference. It all depends on how much of a difference you care to make! And big up to everyone for raising the issues and encouraging discussion. Education! It is only through history, sharing our ideas and debating issues that we are able to develop and reinforce our ideas on what is right and wrong, and what needs to change and how it can be done. That's what direction and focus are born out of! My 3 SA cents Krakhed The world is your forum
Carl Craig's revolutionary statements...
It seems like Carl Craig is on the racial revolution bandwagon nowadays too. Listen to the end of his more songs abot food.. album and there is an interestingly devilish sounding voice warning us of a revolution against bigotry. My question is, to the group, how does he and other revolutionaries plan to decipher bigots from the rest of us? Bigots come in all colors, so color differentiation is not an option... Atleast this enigma would pop into the head of any revolutionary who had atleast some brains... Do you agree? Wraith313 www.mp3.com/wraith313 -Keep it real. Don't let the real keep you!- PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: [313] German techno that fits 313?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Schranz refers to artists such as Chris Liebing, Andreas Kremer, and the like. The really hard, minimal, techno, that is usually abhorred by the list. Chris Liebing even has a series of 7 called (the) Real Schranz. Personally, I think that type of techno is a necessary evil in a good techno set. I rather enjoy the stuff of that caliber. Most will disagree with me. Cheers! Dennis From: jim proffit [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] German techno that fits 313? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:33:57 Arne.Weinberg: Coming from Germany i asked myself how the list (you) think about the german techno scene and its producers. In my opinion the german techno thing is really bring, because they all hear and produce and spin only the hard banging soulless crap called Schranz For certain people (like me) the german sound was really important in the early 90's to mid 90's. What records/labels you mean by Schranz? I would think there are people that really HATE the Cologne minimalism sound. Cologne's acid sound is a whole different story... For me the germans kept the original attitude of the early Chicago (and later Detroit with Tresor etc.) sound and production values better than, say, the folks in England. And you can't really deny that when you're talking about electronic music in general, Germany is in a class of it's own. -Proffit _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Plus 8 night @ the Astoria - Wednesday 11th April
Anybody having difficulties getting hold of tix for the Plus 8 Event, next Wednesday @ Astoria London, UK - Hawtin/Acquaviva/Speedy J. I have 2 spare tickets, going for face value. Please email me privately if interested. Alice _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
RE: [313] Carl Craig's revolutionary statements...
i didnt want to join this debate... ...but racial revolution bandwagon is somewhat demeaning the postive work done by many a person of many colour variations..bigotory is not always based on race - but is based on ignorance...time to move on... -Original Message- From: Wraith313 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:56 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Carl Craig's revolutionary statements... It seems like Carl Craig is on the racial revolution bandwagon nowadays too. Listen to the end of his more songs abot food.. album and there is an interestingly devilish sounding voice warning us of a revolution against bigotry. My question is, to the group, how does he and other revolutionaries plan to decipher bigots from the rest of us?Bigots come in all colors, so color differentiation is not an option... Atleast this enigma would pop into the head of any revolutionary who had atleast some brains...Do you agree?
Re: [313] German techno that fits 313?
I like to produce those types of tracks. Check them out at www.mp3.com/wraith313 I've never heard it called schranz. I just call it Detroit Hardcore. Check it out and tell me what you think? Thanks... Wraith313 www.mp3.com/wraith313 -Keep it real. Don't let the real keep you!- PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
RE: [313] Strings of Life
i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that Derrick took it from a piece of music written by one of his friends, a guy called Michael James or Stuart James. My copy of 'Strings of Live' says that this track was written and produced by Michael James and Mayday. On later releases there's just Derrick's name. I don't have a clue who this Michael James fellow is. Funny to know that the beside of that record was co-produced by Blake Baxter, according to John's interview with Blake in Overload. I just found the following phrase about strings of live drom the RS website (which is still running for some reason) RYTHIM IS RYTHIM - Strings O Life (1987) Without doubt May's best known piece. An anthem of immeasurable status, written about Martin Luther King. When they killed him, they destroyed the hopes and dreams of a generation. It was about the hope in his message. Friend Michael James had written the piano piece previously. May took snippers and created loops. When it was finished, he listened to it constantly for six days, overtaken by it's mesmeric curves. Oh, and it originally started off at 80bpm... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vincent Floyd
Since you guys are taking about Chicago for a sec I thought I'd throw this one out. Anyone know of any other Vincent Floyd releases besides Cactus Juice and Chan Your Eyes? Or even better, anyone know what ever happened to Vincent? Talk about a man ahead of his time... dK -Original Message- From: stuffed bird [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] 326 Yep, I messed up names, I checked my copy last night and it is of course Dion Williams :-) RD Isn't Duane Harden the person who sang the vocals for Armand's You Don't Know Me:-) Ciao, Joel - Original Message - From: stuffed bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [313] 326I believe 326 was Duane Harden. The track Just Like Heaven received a fabulous remix treatment by Armando and Mike Dunn on Muzique Records. RD Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Vincent Floyd
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Dan Kurzius wrote: Since you guys are taking about Chicago for a sec I thought I'd throw this one out. Anyone know of any other Vincent Floyd releases besides Cactus Juice and Chan Your Eyes? Or even better, anyone know what ever happened to Vincent? Talk about a man ahead of his time... well, i have on ep by mr Floyd, but i don't know if it's the same guy. Vincent Floyd - The Magic ep on Subwoofer/Freetown, 1996 tracks: Get closer I need you I am Strange Pleasure records says Written and Produced by Floyd Walker, additional keyboards by Jordan Fields and Robert Alexander i'd say the ep is nice deep(ish) chicago house.. sakke -- A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance. -- Stanislaw Lem
Re: [313] Titonton
Hi there, the other week i picked up the new planet e double. its got a track buy Titonton thats tight. I was just wondering what other tracks people like from him. hes got some stuff on Residual and a double called Voyeurism (i think). One day i overheard kent williams talking about how Titonton was more of a composer and was taught music theory. i havent seen his new cd yet. is it something thats going to be pressed on wax. The Selections for Intercourse CD and LP is coming out on April 9th. The LP has 8 trakcs and the CD has 13 (and is a lot more forward thinking). Titonton released his first vinyl EP entitled Embryonic on Metamorphic in 1995. He has been featured on 21 releases to date and is currently djing and performing live about the US... he is appearing at Motor on the 7th... Any Titonton quessies, send them to me privately. I know too much about Titonton Duvanté... he certainly deserves a LOT more respect... Later, Nick:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] A bit harsh?
Hi ppl... --- Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Philip Sherburne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [313] brinkmann opens the can of worms [LONG] And would someone please boot this Chrise fella? (S)he is contributing nothing but kerosene. I thought maybe I was a bit harsh with this statement, but chinaman and arab? ? ? Come on, please at least make an attempt at sensitivity. I think people are being too sensitive about it... In fact, if you're all as mature as you say you are you'd stop dropping bombs yourself... I think the most intelligent response I've heard so far was by that Timothy Johnson fella right at the start... I had a bit of an epiphany about this thread last night and I realise noone oughta apologise for speaking what they feel. However, the thread is going nowhere and you guys keep posting the same thing in different word arrangements. It is rather tiresome... Take care, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] the good good (was:Titonton)
I'm sorry if this was already discussed... I noticed the track listing is different on the planet e release than on the 2000 black release specifically the 4 hero track is not on the planet e. is this track available on a vinyl single so that I do not have to spend 20 something more dollars for the import cd just to get the 4 hero and the few other tracks only on the import? thanks matthew Nick Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/01 09:40AM Hi there, the other week i picked up the new planet e double. its got a track buy Titonton thats tight. I was just wondering what other tracks people like from him. hes got some stuff on Residual and a double called Voyeurism (i think). One day i overheard kent williams talking about how Titonton was more of a composer and was taught music theory. i havent seen his new cd yet. is it something thats going to be pressed on wax. The Selections for Intercourse CD and LP is coming out on April 9th. The LP has 8 trakcs and the CD has 13 (and is a lot more forward thinking). Titonton released his first vinyl EP entitled Embryonic on Metamorphic in 1995. He has been featured on 21 releases to date and is currently djing and performing live about the US... he is appearing at Motor on the 7th... Any Titonton quessies, send them to me privately. I know too much about Titonton Duvanté... he certainly deserves a LOT more respect... Later, Nick:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Gerbasi |l| Darcy Detroit lll Cadillac Regional Traffic|l| 248-458-8567|l| [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eliminate your ego by having self confidence without pride -- Basi
Re: [313] Titonton
Hi again, --- Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, ryan burns wrote: the other week i picked up the new planet e double. its got a track buy Titonton thats tight. I was just wondering what other tracks people like from him. hes got some stuff on Residual and a double called Voyeurism (i think). i have the remixes of Voyerism on Starbaby. Can't remember what tracks and remixes there was, and by whom. Anyway, good 12. Remixes by Stefan Manceau/Christophe Bouthé/Jymmy Dark and Rue East... It also has the original version of Boudoir on it... I also like that Extrapolation remixes 12 on Metamorphic - it's quite nice. Although, once again, can't remember who did the remixes, it's a bit electro-y stuff, but not the current retro-80's or detroit-electro -styles. More like electro in Metamorphic way, ie it's really weird. 2 remixes by Dan Curtin which are the electro ones and one by Dego on the d'n'b tip (obviously). The original version of Extrapolation is featured on the Endorphin Ep. The Dego remix is also featured on that:) bubbye, Nick:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] Titonton
Hello, --- Batory, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My favourite is his e.p. on Environ that he did with Morgan Geist. I think it was just called Titonton Morgan or vice-versa, either way it is top class. Titonton and Morgan Ep was released on Environ/Phono. You may as well get Morgan Geist's Into a separate space CD/LP which features all the tracks on that ep anyway as well as other stuff from the first 3 environ releases... I'll be back soon, Nick:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] the good good (was:Titonton)
Hi... --- Matthew Gerbasi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry if this was already discussed... I noticed the track listing is different on the planet e release than on the 2000 black release specifically the 4 hero track is not on the planet e. Are you talking about the 4Hero cover of John Coltrane's Naima? This isn't available as a single unfortunately (as far as i know). I've heard that a bunch of Naima covers will be appearing on Laws of Motion soon... It might already be out actually so I the 4Hero mix MIGHT be on there... is this track available on a vinyl single so that I do not have to spend 20 something more dollars for the import cd just to get the 4 hero and the few other tracks only on the import? Hmmm... I have an MP3 of that track... you want it? Later, Nick:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Titonton
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Nick Walsh wrote: and remixes there was, and by whom. Anyway, good 12. Remixes by Stefan Manceau/Christophe Bouthé/Jymmy Dark and Rue East... It also has the original version of Boudoir on it... Boudoir is imho the best track on the ep - really dark and noisy and slamming with supercool pad/string/whatever melody in the end.. :) sakke -- A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance. -- Stanislaw Lem
Titonton Duvante
Yes, Titonton deserves a LOT more attention and respect. I'm glad to see his name all over the list today -- I had been planning to do a feature on him for a long time now (since the Exordium party in Columbus!), but my time ain't what it used to be ... I highly recommend Voyeurism ... it's an amazing encapsulation of his composition skills, but more than that, his energy! -d P.S. If anyone needs a silly Titonton article title, try Living with Onomatopoeia :P
RE: [313] the good good (was:Titonton)
Are you talking about the 4Hero cover of John Coltrane's Naima? This isn't available as a single unfortunately (as far as i know). I've heard that a bunch of Naima covers will be appearing on Laws of Motion soon... It might already be out actually so I the 4Hero mix MIGHT be on there... Normally im pretty relaxed about remixes of classics.. But Naima is pretty untouchable as it currently exists IMO. Sounds like a BIG task to make a worthwhile remix of that track! Its perfect already! A bunch of Naima covers? That makes me feel slightly queasy... :( Steve
RE: [313] record stores in paris?
Techno import== techno, house, db, electro, trance, hardcore... rue des Taillandiers 75011 Paris Métro:Bastille Lot of records but the guys are simply dreadful and not-friendly! by all means have a look there, there are several other great record shops around... Fnac ITALIENS Boulevard des Italiens 75009 Paris Métro:Richelieu-Drouot Lot of Cds and some vinyls. Ask for Sylvain or Bertrand (the 2 persons responsible of the e-music department) who are real music-lovers! beware though, FNAC shops are the most expensive places in Paris to buy records... plus, their stocks do not seem to follow some logic, ie you can find very rare stuff stacked with the rest, but they can also get the new stuff with one or two months delay... Gwendal
Re: [313] the good good (was:Titonton)
does anyone have a working site address for Laws of Motion???
Re: [313] Titonton Duvante
Dan Sicko wrote: Yes, Titonton deserves a LOT more attention and respect. I'm glad to see his name all over the list today -- I had been planning to do a feature on him for a long time now (since the Exordium party in Columbus!), but my time ain't what it used to be ... Now *that* party brings back good memories! (even the candyraver contingent couldn't spoil it) Boo Williams going deep, Morgan Geist doing a great liveset and Rob Hood in top form. If there was any downside to it, it was missing Titonton's set, because they had to open later than scheduled so he sacrificed his set in favour of the other artists. Otto
Re: [313] Titonton
Trace Elements 2 was a collab with Morgan Geist. nope, trace 2 featured a track by titonton called scrazzelnyph. trace 3 had a track he and morgan did. kev _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Christian Morgensen
Heiko Laux isn't Christian Morgenstern. Morgenstern runs Forte records, Laux runs Kanzleramt. Morgenstern is from Cologne, Laux is from Bad Neuheim. They are friends with each other. MEK From: Dharma Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Christian Morgensen Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 03:42:26 -0400 his name is actually christian morgenstern,and i'm sorry to say that i actually don't know much more than thati think he might be also known as heiko laux. -dharma _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
sun ra at demf
I wrote this short thing for citysearch.com but I didn't include sun ra-they did. The Scene This year, the DEMF artist roster reads more like a compilation record: including Kid Koala, De La Soul, Derrick May , Sun Ra and His Arkestra, Tortoise, Autechre and more. Although the stars of electronica will be fully represented, the producers have made room for some adjacent genres. All the talent, upwards of 70 acts, will be performing free, on four stages in downtown's Hart Plaza. The beautiful park has been the setting for music events like the Ford International Jazz Festival, formerly known as Montreux International Jazz Festival, for decades and is well suited for multiple concerts of loud volume. This year's festival will surely bring together a large and diverse crowd. Rumor has it that MTV may cover the event. The History Last year, the Detroit Electronic Music Festival made a lasting impression on the city of Detroit. Thrown in conjunction with the city, Pop Culture Media, and musician Carl Craig; the three-day free festival brought together some of Detroit's most famous and upcoming talent along side larger, national acts such as The Roots and DJ Spooky. It was estimated that 1.5 million people came together in Detroit for the festival's debut. Diana Potts __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] sun ra at demf
BTW any solid confirmation on this?? its not on the fdemf site?? d --- diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote this short thing for citysearch.com but I didn't include sun ra-they did. The Scene This year, the DEMF artist roster reads more like a compilation record: including Kid Koala, De La Soul, Derrick May , Sun Ra and His Arkestra, Tortoise, Autechre and more. Although the stars of electronica will be fully represented, the producers have made room for some adjacent genres. All the talent, upwards of 70 acts, will be performing free, on four stages in downtown's Hart Plaza. The beautiful park has been the setting for music events like the Ford International Jazz Festival, formerly known as Montreux International Jazz Festival, for decades and is well suited for multiple concerts of loud volume. This year's festival will surely bring together a large and diverse crowd. Rumor has it that MTV may cover the event. The History Last year, the Detroit Electronic Music Festival made a lasting impression on the city of Detroit. Thrown in conjunction with the city, Pop Culture Media, and musician Carl Craig; the three-day free festival brought together some of Detroit's most famous and upcoming talent along side larger, national acts such as The Roots and DJ Spooky. It was estimated that 1.5 million people came together in Detroit for the festival's debut. Diana Potts __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
opening the other frequently recurring 313 can of worms
www.finalscratch.com the program that's destined to take all the art out of our art has finally launched its website, and we can expect the world to end shortly. (THAT LAST STATEMENT WAS TONGUE-IN-CHEEK. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TONGUE-IN-CHEEK MEANS, GO LOOK IT UP.)
Re: [313] Vincent Floyd
Last thing I have of him is 'heart attack' on relief records. RD Since you guys are taking about Chicago for a sec I thought I'd throw this one out. Anyone know of any other Vincent Floyd releases besides Cactus Juice and Chan Your Eyes? Or even better, anyone know what ever happened to Vincent? Talk about a man ahead of his time... well, i have on ep by mr Floyd, but i don't know if it's the same guy. Vincent Floyd - The Magic ep on Subwoofer/Freetown, 1996 tracks: Get closer I need you I am Strange Pleasure records says Written and Produced by Floyd Walker, additional keyboards by Jordan Fields and Robert Alexander i'd say the ep is nice deep(ish) chicago house.. sakke -- A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance. -- Stanislaw Lem - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com
Re: German techno that fits 313?
It is not crap but I guess it has plateau-ed in recent times. I haven't been there though but I have seen many DJs. Patrick Lindsey is big in Australia HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA plateau-ed oh God (sic) I'm going to fall out of my chair. A night of German electronic music (aka techno) would kill a night of any other kind of regional music, including Detroit. Just look at the quality of output coming from lables like: Tresor Ladomat BPitch Control Shitkatapult Kompakt Perlon Force Inc Mille Plateaux Playhouse Kanzleramp Poker Flats DiscoB and on ... and on ... and on ... In fact I bet that a strong argument can be made that Detroit has lost the spotlight for innovative new music which now is sourced from Germany. Of course on a per capita basis Detroit of one million people still kicks Germany's 80 million people's ass. Oh and it should be noted that these labels are constantly releasing music and pushing the boudaries, not just relying on tired old formulas and the strength of their back catalogue. Tosh
Re: [313] sun ra at demf
Thank you! that's what I thought!! I thought I was forgetting something for a second :P I'll call to make the right connections. d --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW any solid confirmation on this?? its not on the fdemf site?? confirmation on sun ra playing at DEMF? since he died in '92, I doubt it'll happen. it's a nice writeup though, diana. wonder why they'd choose to add that. chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] sun ra at demf
They play without him these days :) I am going to see the 'Sun Ra Arkestra' on sunday at this UK festival curated by Tortoise. http://www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk Thank you! that's what I thought!! I thought I was forgetting something for a second :P I'll call to make the right connections. d --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW any solid confirmation on this?? its not on the fdemf site?? confirmation on sun ra playing at DEMF? since he died in '92, I doubt it'll happen. it's a nice writeup though, diana. wonder why they'd choose to add that. chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: German techno that fits 313?
I think the original question was aimed at a particular form of German techno, referred to as schranz. Along the lines of Liebing, Kremer, and the same type of stuff that was released by Beyer, Lekebusch, Mull, C Smith. Cheers! From: Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Re: German techno that fits 313? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:00:22 +0200 It is not crap but I guess it has plateau-ed in recent times. I haven't been there though but I have seen many DJs. Patrick Lindsey is big in Australia HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA plateau-ed oh God (sic) I'm going to fall out of my chair. A night of German electronic music (aka techno) would kill a night of any other kind of regional music, including Detroit. Just look at the quality of output coming from lables like: Tresor Ladomat BPitch Control Shitkatapult Kompakt Perlon Force Inc Mille Plateaux Playhouse Kanzleramp Poker Flats DiscoB and on ... and on ... and on ... In fact I bet that a strong argument can be made that Detroit has lost the spotlight for innovative new music which now is sourced from Germany. Of course on a per capita basis Detroit of one million people still kicks Germany's 80 million people's ass. Oh and it should be noted that these labels are constantly releasing music and pushing the boudaries, not just relying on tired old formulas and the strength of their back catalogue. Tosh - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Vincent Floyd
dk wrote: Since you guys are taking about Chicago for a sec I thought I'd throw this one out. Anyone know of any other Vincent Floyd releases besides Cactus Juice and Chan Your Eyes? Or even better, anyone know what ever happened to Vincent? Talk about a man ahead of his time... Oh yes...He came back in the mid-90's releasing one EP on Relief and he did one f**ked up 12 on X-rated records, Stooge swing. It was a 3 track EP, kinda like mescaline-fuelled trax... I can't remember what else he did around '94-95, must've been something... Another great old DM artist that I would like to hear today is Victor Romeo. And oh yes: Your eyes kix azz. Rumour has it that there is a naughty bootleggy cover version of it on one of Sähkö's less illegal records;) -Proffit _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Hey mac Users!
any other Mac users out there with iTunes installed? just listening to the DJing Classics in the Electronica section. nice stuff! theyre playing Rolando's Jaguar right now :^)I love iTunes!! sean
name that tune
I'm pretty sure this is a 313 house record - male voice saying, black dialect is an expressive, vivid, living language - we reject it - how little have we gained and how much have we lost. Any help is appreciated, thanks! Nate
Re: [313] Hey mac Users!
Damn you Mac zealots. Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/04/2001 11:16:37 AM To: 313 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: [313] Hey mac Users! any other Mac users out there with iTunes installed? just listening to the DJing Classics in the Electronica section. nice stuff! theyre playing Rolando's Jaguar right now :^)I love iTunes!! sean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Titonton
You can check an old titonton's interview here http://www.d2b.org/EAR/INTW/08/titonton_duvante.html cheers disk.system
Re: [313] sun ra at demf
Yeah, Marshall Allen keeps the fires stoked and they're currently in the middle of a European tour. Playing the Jazz Cafe on the 5th, umm, tomorrow. See the press release below... However, I have heard that the Arkestra lives on without him and puts on some kickin shows. anyone? Elson Nascimento, Band Manager of the Sun Ra Arkestra under the direction of Marshall Allen, today announced the itinerary for the upcoming European tour by the Sun Ra Arkestra under the direction of Marshall Allen that will be taking place from March 23, 2001 through April 8, 2001. The dates, venues, and information for these shows in France, Germany, England, and Ireland are as follows: March 23 - Le Printemps du Jazz, Theatre De Nimes, 1 Place de la Calade, Nimes, France. Doors open 8:00 p.m. and Performance at 10:00 p.m. For additional information, www.ot-nimes.fr/ and click on Le Printemps du Jazz or call 33-466-36-65-00. March 28 - Jazzhaus, Schnewlinstrasse 1, Freiburg, Germany. For additional information, call 49-761-34-973 or 49-761-7919-7814. March 29 - Muddy's Club, Schulstrabe 3, Weinheim, Germany For additional information, call 49-6201-12997. March 30 - Jazzclub, Koningswall 97, Minden, Germany. Doors open 8:00 p.m. and Performance time TBA. For additional information, call 49-172-972-8550. April 3 - Rathausfoyer, Rathausstrasse 1, Tuttlingen, Germany. Doors open 7:30 p.m. and Performance at 8:00 p.m. For additional information, call 49-74-61-99421. April 4 - Salle Mitterand, rue du 19. Mars, Achicourt-Arras, France. Doors open 8:00 p.m. and Performance at 9:30 p.m. For additional information, call 33-3-2124-26-90. April 5 - Jazz Cafe, 3 Parkway, Camden Town, NW1, London, England. For additional information, www.meanfiddler.com/jazzcafe or call 44-20-79-16-60-60. April 6 - Bristol, England. Location and details to be announced. April 7 - Red Box, Old Harcourt Street, Train Station, Dublin, Ireland. Doors open 7:30 p.m. and Performances at 8:30 p.m. 9:45 p.m. For additional information, call 353-14-761-038. April 8 - Savoy Theatre, 108 Patrick Street, Cork, Ireland. Doors open 8:30 p.m. and Performance at 9:30 p.m. For additional information, call 353-21-425-8000. This European tour is in support of the latest Arkestra CD A Song For The Sun on El Ra Records. These club, concert, and festival dates should be very exciting and the Arkestra looks forward to seeing its many European fans at these events. Those who have serious proposals with venues and promoters for European bookings of the Sun Ra Arkestra under the direction of Marshall Allen should contact: Gabby Kleinschmidt Tel: 49-74-64-2177 (Germany) Fax: 49-74-64-3195 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, Elson Nascimento is pleased to announce the following upcoming concerts in the United States for the Sun Ra Arkestra under the direction of Marshall Allen: June 16 - Tribeca Performing Arts Center, Manhattan Community College, New York, NY. Celebrating the lost shrines of jazz The Sun Ra Arkestra at Slugs. June 17 - Planetarium, Philadelphia, PA Performing as part of the Mellon Jazz Festival. Those who have serious proposals with venues and promoters for United States and Canadian bookings for the Sun Ra Arkestra under the direction of Marshall Allen should contact: Jack Reich Unmanageable Talent Tel: 1-401-275-5878 (United States) Fax: 1-401-275-6082 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] name that tune
theo parrish- ebonics on sound signature. does it start out with a dialogue in 'black english' and then translate it into 'white english?' From: Nathaniel Hovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] name that tune Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:19:37 -0400 I'm pretty sure this is a 313 house record - male voice saying, black dialect is an expressive, vivid, living language - we reject it - how little have we gained and how much have we lost. Any help is appreciated, thanks! Nate - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Hey mac Users!
nahi downloaded it but it needs OS 9.0 to run (im only on 8.6), but maybe now its time to upgrade - Original Message - From: Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: [313] Hey mac Users! any other Mac users out there with iTunes installed? just listening to the DJing Classics in the Electronica section. nice stuff! theyre playing Rolando's Jaguar right now :^)I love iTunes!! sean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Hey mac Users!
OS X is out for you guys now. Why not upgrade to that? tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/04/2001 11:30:00 AM To: Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] Hey mac Users! nahi downloaded it but it needs OS 9.0 to run (im only on 8.6), but maybe now its time to upgrade - Original Message - From: Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: [313] Hey mac Users! any other Mac users out there with iTunes installed? just listening to the DJing Classics in the Electronica section. nice stuff! theyre playing Rolando's Jaguar right now :^)I love iTunes!! sean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Hey mac Users!
for the record, itunes has never crashed or crashed my system. every other mac mp3 player i've used has. At 11:16 AM -0400 4/4/01, Sean Deason wrote: any other Mac users out there with iTunes installed? just listening to the DJing Classics in the Electronica section. nice stuff! theyre playing Rolando's Jaguar right now :^)I love iTunes!! sean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Hey mac Users!
yeahit looks nice..but i dont know if mt 350 G3 could handle it. plus theres some compatibility issues with old software. dont fancy having to upgrade all my costly macromedia/abode/steinberg apps - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [313] Hey mac Users! OS X is out for you guys now. Why not upgrade to that? tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/04/2001 11:30:00 AM To: Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] Hey mac Users! nahi downloaded it but it needs OS 9.0 to run (im only on 8.6), but maybe now its time to upgrade - Original Message - From: Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: [313] Hey mac Users! any other Mac users out there with iTunes installed? just listening to the DJing Classics in the Electronica section. nice stuff! theyre playing Rolando's Jaguar right now :^)I love iTunes!! sean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] sun ra at demf
the group lost alot when Sun Ra died, and when John Gilmour died, but they still pack a mean punch and continue on full steam. The last album was still worth checking if you are a hard core fan. considering he passed on around the dates of the DEMF, i would not be surprised at all if mr degiorgio or mr de clive-lowe plays a few tracks. as well as outerzone orchestra. ps. anyone ever hear his tribute to disney album? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [313] Hey mac Users!
Now they're playing: 808 State Pacific State I may never step away from my computer again! :^) Yes it is very stable and I havent had any crashing problems with it what so ever either. I'm running it on OS9. it can D/l'd from the apple site for free. sean OT deason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:37 AM To: Sean Deason; 313 Subject: Re: [313] Hey mac Users! for the record, itunes has never crashed or crashed my system. every other mac mp3 player i've used has. At 11:16 AM -0400 4/4/01, Sean Deason wrote: any other Mac users out there with iTunes installed? just listening to the DJing Classics in the Electronica section. nice stuff! theyre playing Rolando's Jaguar right now :^)I love iTunes!! sean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Carl Craig's revolutionary statements...
revolution comes in many forms - Original Message - From: Wraith313 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:17 AM Subject: RE: [313] Carl Craig's revolutionary statements... Hey sorry if my statements sounded demeaning to good people. I didnt mean for that. When someone says the word revolutio, it doesn't really include any of the good work done on the issue. I and I think Carl Craig refers to reolutionaries. Revolutionaries, as you recall from the french revolution against monarchy, are people who fight against their oppressor. My question to the group is, how is a bigot differentiated from others. Now remember this. If a revolution were to go down at the DEMF for instance. How will the revolutionaries know who to fight against? There are no uniforms involved... I mean maybe they could go up against the skinheads or something? But, working down in river rouge and being called a bigot a few times because I am white, I have a hunch that I would be a target to an anti-bigot revolutionary. The thing is, I do not consider myself a bigot... Does anyone see where I'm coming from here? On Wed, 04 April 2001, Mann, Ravinder [CCS] wrote: i didnt want to join this debate... ...but racial revolution bandwagon is somewhat demeaning the postive work done by many a person of many colour variations..bigotory is not always based on race - but is based on ignorance...time to move on... It seems like Carl Craig is on the racial revolution bandwagon nowadays too. Listen to the end of his more songs abot food.. album and there is an interestingly devilish sounding voice warning us of a revolution against bigotry. My question is, to the group, how does he and other revolutionaries plan to decipher bigots from the rest of us?Bigots come in all colors, so color differentiation is not an option... Atleast this enigma would pop into the head of any revolutionary who had atleast some brains...Do you agree?
Re: [313] Hey mac Users!
Could someone explain the relevance of Mac OS discussions to 313? Sean's original message was on-topic, but this sort of stuff should be private mail really. Otto, who's not as cranky as this message might indicate, honest.
RE: [313] Hey mac Users!
I hate you. Pacific is my absolute favorite track. Period. Keep it up and I might have to take Xirtam2 out of my crate, Sean. Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/04/2001 11:44:04 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: RE: [313] Hey mac Users! Now they're playing: 808 State Pacific State I may never step away from my computer again! :^)
RE: [313] Hey mac Users! - some relevance
and lets not forget that Paris from the Grand PuBahs real name is Mac (well maybe its Mack, but it's pronounced just the same) also in Detroit Mack is a street that runs across the cities east side and through Grosse Pointe. So theres your relevance buddy boy! you dont want none of this!! :^) sean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:51 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Hey mac Users! - some relevance Most Detroit Techno producers that I know (Kenny Larkin, Disco D, ect...) use Macs for their work. There's a shred of relevance here. Not much, but a little bit. Otto Koppius [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/04/2001 11:46:13 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] Hey mac Users! Could someone explain the relevance of Mac OS discussions to 313? Sean's original message was on-topic, but this sort of stuff should be private mail really. Otto, who's not as cranky as this message might indicate, honest. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] the good good (was:Titonton)
I noticed the track listing is different on the planet e release than on the 2000 black release specifically the 4 hero track is not on the planet e. Are you talking about the 4Hero cover of John Coltrane's Naima? This isn't available as a single unfortunately (as far as i know). I've heard that a bunch of Naima covers will be appearing on Laws of Motion soon... It might already be out actually so I the 4Hero mix MIGHT be on there... That's too bad they didn't put 4 Hero's cover of Coltrane's Namia on the Planet E version of the comp. I frankly think it's one of the best cuts on the whole comp! Great percussion and they kept the best sax line. I especially love how it ends, it's really tight. I don't know if I'd recommend that people go buy the import version on 2000 Black just for this one track, but it's reallly good and worth hearing if you haven't. Good point about it maybe appearing on Laws of Motion? SPeaking of, anyone heard the Modaji full album on Laws of Motion? The Modaji downtempo track on the Laws of Motion 2xLP compilation is my favorite track on that whole comp, really sparkling and atmospheric/deep. OVerall that comp is pretty strong, I recommend it if you're into the W. London thing. Wish more of these guys were coming to DEMF... though it's awesome that Mark deClive-lowe will be there. He's played keys on a lot of tracks coming outta that whole camp (People, Bitasweet, etc.) and I think he plays some of the the stuff by Seiji and B.B. Boogie? peace -- Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] archived radio shows -- http://macqueen.com/radio
Re: [313] my 3 South African cents on the techno/race issue (and that's less than half a US cent)
Thanks for the objective voice Evan. It is surprising how many peeps separate music from culture and society at large. Having been in this culture for longer than I care to admit here, I've seen its effects on society at large which on the whole have been holistically positive. It only takes one joker to unravel the mystique and be used as a poster child (voodoo child) to nudge the whole consensus toward mass consumerism and strictly party hype without the passion of hope or utopian/otherworldly imagination even a consideration. Moreover, the factor of history and truth have extreme relevance. There are multitudes of people in America who know absolutely nothing about Juan Atkins, but they sure know Moby strictly on the hype tip. Hopefully he'll peak, make his monay and recede back into the general weave of the fabric. Something tells me, however, that he will be a stand out historically superceding anyone that came before based solely on sales and numbers. Most Americans are quite content to allow doctors, lawyers and MBAs (masters of business administration...the nouveau vermin of American society) and finally politicians to step in and create control factors, rewrite history and generally develop their appetites for them. It speaks to the fact that most Americans have the literacy rate of a 10 year old child. It's most frustrating, really. How does one instill a thirst for knowledge and truth? From: Evan Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] my 3 South African cents on the techno/race issue (and that's less than half a US cent) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:40:30 +0200 I've followed this debate for the last couple of days with interest (although I have to admit that I never intended on becoming embroiled in such matters when I signed up to the list for reasons of musical interest), because clearly it is a topic of integral importance to the techno movement. Coming from South Africa, a country with as racially divided a past as any, I feel that I have a couple of points that may be worth a mention here. Firstly, the issues that are raised in this debate are larger societal problems not limited to techno or even music as a whole, but any forum that provides an opportunity raise awareness should be used! On the issue of people getting signed to major labels, the record industry (major labels) has always been much more interested in money than in giving due credit or financial reward to the people who are responsible for the music in the first place. It's a capitalist game, and the reality of the situation is that it is controlled by a few very wealthy white people. A case in point is a local group Ladysmith Black Mambazo (definitely not techno but a case in point for this example), who have sold hundreds of thousands of copies of records worldwide over the last 25 years and have seen virtually no reward for it. The whole Napster issue highlighted that most of those artists who do get signed to major labels don't get to see the proceeds of the work anyway. In this consumer driven society that we find ourselves in, record companies merely need to find one or two radio friendly artists to market to the public to reap huge returns. Such a small minority benefit, and factors such as racism compound this problem, particularly in the choice of who gets signed and marketed, but I would have to question whether, even given the opportunity, may/mills/saunderson/any number of notable others would want to be associated with that corporate money-grabbing anyway, as it would essentially equate to being a lottery winner celebrating his windfall and sudden rise from poverty as some kind of fundamental change for society as a whole! Still, that doesn't change the fact that it's inherently unfair and is something that needs to be redressed! And about artists not giving credit where it's due, (imho) RESPECT is just about the most important thing in life, and those artists who don't pay the necessary dues only serve to further alienate themselves from the rest of the artistic community. If it's done with financial reward as the main reason, even mores the pity! Everyone involved is entitled to make as much of a stink as they like about them and, above all, it's their choice and right not to support them. Not long ago (I was there for a year in 1999), the vast majority of the US population regarded any form of electronic music as techno, and they are the ones who view Moby as the US techno saviour. Those more educated and dedicated to the scene and to what it stands for DO give credit where it is due be it black, white, whatever (Hardfloor's Respect as an example), and are committed to keeping moving forward. And we shouldn't forget to focus on the positives too as examples of what should be done! My personal thanks and respect goes out to the founding gurus of this music that gives me and plenty others so much joy, and to everyone involved at all
Re: [313] sun ra at demf
Yes, truebut seeing Marshall scowl at the trumpet section has become an event onto its own. Haha. Peace. From: Arsenal 2001 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] sun ra at demf Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:43:15 -0400 the group lost alot when Sun Ra died, and when John Gilmour died, but they still pack a mean punch and continue on full steam. The last album was still worth checking if you are a hard core fan. considering he passed on around the dates of the DEMF, i would not be surprised at all if mr degiorgio or mr de clive-lowe plays a few tracks. as well as outerzone orchestra. ps. anyone ever hear his tribute to disney album? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
name that tune
I'm pretty sure this is a 313 house record - male voice saying, black dialect is an expressive, vivid, living language - we reject it - how little have we gained and how much have we lost. Any help is appreciated, thanks! This is Theo Parrish. The EP is Pieces of a Paradox (Sound Signatures 004), the track is called 'Ebonics'. incredible cut. THe flip side (Dusty Cabinets) is equally incredible, amazing bassline, and I think this also appeared on the First Floor records that Peacefrog put out to re-issue some of the early Sound Signatures stuff. peace -- Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] archived radio shows -- http://macqueen.com/radio
billy nasty in new york
I heard Billy will be djing on mon the 9th in NYC.. does anyone have contact info for him(email?)??? thanks nan = Nancy Mitchell Artist Management and Promotions FORM,Inc. Tokyo Japan Tel: +81-(0)3-5459-3939 Fax: +81-(0)3-5459-3940 URL Address: http://www.womb.co.jp EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
