Re: [313] Trainwrecks/blue notes

2001-11-28 Thread Mad'R
Does analog mean : not a true replication of the real ?
yep trainwrecks can be beautiful.
(although trainwrecks isn''t the right word for it)
An old friend of mine always used a little delay when mixing
witch means you heard the new record come in with a little delay but with
corresponding bpm
and after some seconds removed the delay bye speeding the record up by hand
to the other record and the he mixed it through.
very cool if you do that over and over again (same like scratching or
beat-jungeling)

randoms creates nice things

Mad'R
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 A while back on the Global Techno list, Max Duley was talking about the
 phenomenal energy Mills brought to the tables  clubs he played at in the
 UK in 94-95,  how (like the Liquid Room cd), the mistakes simply
 magnified the intensity of an already supercharged atmosphere.

 Isn't a trainwreck in the hands of a Mills simply the techno equivalent
 of a blue note (in jazz)? The skilled musician's imagination triumphs over
 the technician's 'mistake'  converts it into a previously unknown sonic
 form. Any slip always has the potential to be so much more in the right
 hands. Chance + ingenuity = dynamic tension.

 Wes



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Re: [313] Trainwrecks/blue notes

2001-11-28 Thread Kim B
Semantics is definately important here...when I hear a trainwreck it is 
named so because that is what it sounds like...trainwrecks are not 
beautiful...they sound BAD!


However, I am in total agreement that an unintentional error can become 
something quite nice!


Anybody wanna venture on what you would call that?  Blue note coined for a 
jazz musician's mistake sounds way more pleasing than a trainwreck!


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Re: [313] record collection for sale online-hundreds of records

2001-11-28 Thread Mxyzptlk

I'll second this.
jeff


At 02:21 PM 11/27/2001, Data General wrote:

she




On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Scotto wrote:

 Yes and he is A+

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  Anyone purchased records from Manika before?  Feedback?
 
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Re: [313] record collection for sale online-hundreds of records

2001-11-28 Thread ionizer
Manika comes highly recommended from Down Under - fast response, well
packed - A1.

JK


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Re: [313] agents of change/motor

2001-11-28 Thread Phonopsia
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 I like the general vibe at the Motor..  people get down there :)   too bad
 it didn't ever stay open past 2am :\

 anyone know how late acquaviva plays there on new years?  do they ever
make
 an exception to the 2am closing time?  I was there ONCE when acquaviva
 played until about 2:30, but I don't think thats common.  can they just
 close the bar and keep playing?

I left Motor at around 2:30 during the 5th anniversary party this Summer,
and Derrick May was still spinning. I suspect this may be against the rules
though. Sneaky... :)

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[313] Pump up the Volume

2001-11-28 Thread stewart
Just watching tonights episode, pretty mad.

Hearing Joey Beltram talk about how he couldn't understand how he got labeled 
as a techno producer after making Energy Flash and that to him it was just a 
house tune. I think it really says a lot for the New York sound of the time. 
When I interviewed Frankie Bones he said that none of the music from Detroit 
really began to filter into NY until the early 90s and that all the early Nu 
Groove stuff that they all did really was concieved in isolation from techno.

I have to say, its a pretty good programme and has been telling it pretty much 
how it was, even if Derrick May did slate England for labelling music too much 
:)

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[313] OT in OZ

2001-11-28 Thread philip

read all about ministry of sounds flying discos

http://www.sofcom.com.au/cgi-bin/news/getAAPPreview?keyword=ansettdance

you saw it here first

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Re: [313] OT in OZ

2001-11-28 Thread :)
I imagine some masterful turntable technology would be involved in something
like this...

I imagine the records would skip a bit on an airplane


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 read all about ministry of sounds flying discos

 http://www.sofcom.com.au/cgi-bin/news/getAAPPreview?keyword=ansettdance

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Re: [313] OT in OZ

2001-11-28 Thread philip

its mind boggling isn't it

just imagine how busy the cabin crew will be with all the trainspotters
pressing their attention buzzers every 5 minutes. they will have to install
new illuminated signs too - to let you know when it's ok to dance  when to
sit down. at least they won't have to serve meals, possibly the patrons
will have already taken some er appetite suppresants earlier. an
unfortunate incident or two could wipe out an entire  subgenre. 747 hardbag
disaster shock.

yeah i'm bored

At 07:47 PM 27/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
I imagine some masterful turntable technology would be involved in something
like this...

I imagine the records would skip a bit on an airplane


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 read all about ministry of sounds flying discos

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Re: [313] agents of change/motor

2001-11-28 Thread diana potts
Sorry if this is repeated...

 Motor is surrounded by a residential neighborhood so
it makes it very hard to stay open past 2am. The
boomboomboom flowing to outside from indoors makes it
hard to be sneaky too. You have to have a special
permit (which costs more mula) to have a closed bar
and remain open past 2am. You really can't make that
much off water unless you're one of these NYC clubs
charging f*^ing four to five dollars for a bottle of
Poland Spring (for that amount it better be a
different kinda juice from Poland). 

 I was at Motor one or two times they stayed open past
two and it's usually because they've called area cops
and begged or made some sort of deal. All times I've
been there the cops were outside waiting pointing at
their watches and herding people coming out to their
cars.

speaking from my experiences alone,

d

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  I like the general vibe at the Motor..  people get
 down there :)   too bad
  it didn't ever stay open past 2am :\
 
  anyone know how late acquaviva plays there on new
 years?  do they ever
 make
  an exception to the 2am closing time?  I was there
 ONCE when acquaviva
  played until about 2:30, but I don't think thats
 common.  can they just
  close the bar and keep playing?
 
 I left Motor at around 2:30 during the 5th
 anniversary party this Summer,
 and Derrick May was still spinning. I suspect this
 may be against the rules
 though. Sneaky... :)
 
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Re: [313] agents of change/motor

2001-11-28 Thread :)
 All times I've
 been there the cops were outside waiting pointing at
 their watches and herding people coming out to their
 cars.



maybe I am just stoned

they cops are herding people to whos cars?  the cop's cars?  or the people's


interesting side note, a couple months back, we parked in the neighborhood
behind motor, and started to walk a few blocks to motor.  drinking our 40s,
a cop pulls up and says hey you guys come here...  so we walk over and he
says we can't have open alcohol outside.  then he checks our IDs and tells
us either go pour it in a cup, or take it back to your vehicle and finish
it.

detroit cops are sometimes very cool.

-Joe


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Re: [313] agents of change/motor

2001-11-28 Thread diana potts

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  All times I've
  been there the cops were outside waiting pointing
 at
  their watches and herding people coming out to
 their
  cars.
 
 
 
 maybe I am just stoned
 
 they cops are herding people to whos cars?  the
 cop's cars?  or the people's


people's cars. as in the cars the patrons came to
Motor in.:) 
sorry if that was unclear it's been a long day.

 
 detroit cops are sometimes very cool.

I sense a 'when detroit cops have been cool' thread
coming on. ;)


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RE: [313] agents of change

2001-11-28 Thread Dave Clark
 As far as the not being able to hear thingy...that just means the
 system was 
 crap.  If the system is bumpin' you should not only be able to dance,
 stand 
 about or holla, converse, kiss and rub against each other with very
 little 
 stress AND STILL HEAR THE MUSIC , not just beats.
 

Sorry to drag this thread out even more but...

What about those annoying whistleblower dudes, and those guys that
holler 'whoop whoop' every now and then. They piss me off in a big way.
Anyway it's just my opinion, everyone's got their own. If people want
to talk, or do any of that stuff, that's cool but i'm there for the
music. My idea of heaven is to be in the middle of the dancefloor,
dance, and hear the music without too much distraction. That's all I'm
sayin. Anyone else can do whatever they want, if it doesn't involve
whistles. :)

I don't want to come across as some party nazi. Hey you two. Stop
talking!

-Dave

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Re: [313] agents of change

2001-11-28 Thread :)
OMG

NOT THE PEOPLE WHO WHISTLE WITH THE DOWNBEAT!!!


(there is one at EVERY show)


/life of the whistler

-Joe

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  As far as the not being able to hear thingy...that just means the
  system was 
  crap.  If the system is bumpin' you should not only be able to dance,
  stand 
  about or holla, converse, kiss and rub against each other with very
  little 
  stress AND STILL HEAR THE MUSIC , not just beats.
  
 
 Sorry to drag this thread out even more but...
 
 What about those annoying whistleblower dudes, and those guys that
 holler 'whoop whoop' every now and then. They piss me off in a big way.
 Anyway it's just my opinion, everyone's got their own. If people want
 to talk, or do any of that stuff, that's cool but i'm there for the
 music. My idea of heaven is to be in the middle of the dancefloor,
 dance, and hear the music without too much distraction. That's all I'm
 sayin. Anyone else can do whatever they want, if it doesn't involve
 whistles. :)
 
 I don't want to come across as some party nazi. Hey you two. Stop
 talking!
 
 -Dave
 
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Re: [313] Pump up the Volume

2001-11-28 Thread jkessler
Damn, that show sounds dope! You guys are lucky over there. I can't 
imagine seeing anything that in depth on American TV these days. The 
closest thing I've seen to something like that was a program on PBS one 
time a few years ago. It was a documentary, that I think was of Canadian 
origin anyway, about Hip-Hop and Electronic music. In addition to De La 
and Grandmaster Flash, they had a brief segment with Derrick May talking 
about the Detroit sound. Anyone ever see that? (I apologize if this has 
already been discussed to death on this list)

-J

 Just watching tonights episode, pretty mad.
 
 Hearing Joey Beltram talk about how he couldn't understand how he got 
labeled as a techno
producer after making Energy Flash and that to him it was just a house 
tune. I think it
really says a lot for the New York sound of the time. When I interviewed 
Frankie Bones he
said that none of the music from Detroit really began to filter into NY until 
the early
90s and that all the early Nu Groove stuff that they all did really was 
concieved in
isolation from techno.
 
 I have to say, its a pretty good programme and has been telling it pretty 
much how it was,
even if Derrick May did slate England for labelling music too much :)
 
 Stewart
 
 
 
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[313] Twine in Los Angeles 11/28

2001-11-28 Thread Aaron Michelson
Hi friends,

This Wednesday at 9:30 at the Knitting Factory, I'll be joining DJs Rithma
(Om Records) and Scott Findley (Nordic Trax) for the all-star end of the
season Twine bash. We're winding down for the year (Twine will resume in
January) and celebrating in style. The Knitting Factory has one of the
sicker sound systems in the LA area, so if you like it slinky and chunky,
you'll be hard pressed to find a better night with the talent and sound to
boot.

It's $5 to get in 21+. I've got a few guestlist spots though if you
reply quickly, so drop me a line and I'll see if I can sort you out.

For more info, check out: http://www.greengalactic.com/e-twine.html

See you tomorrow!

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Re: [313] Pump up the Volume

2001-11-28 Thread Paul V

muchmusic did a pretty good special on detroit about a year back.





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Damn, that show sounds dope! You guys are lucky over there. I can't
imagine seeing anything that in depth on American TV these days. The
closest thing I've seen to something like that was a program on PBS one
time a few years ago. It was a documentary, that I think was of Canadian
origin anyway, about Hip-Hop and Electronic music. In addition to De La
and Grandmaster Flash, they had a brief segment with Derrick May talking
about the Detroit sound. Anyone ever see that? (I apologize if this has
already been discussed to death on this list)

-J

 Just watching tonights episode, pretty mad.

 Hearing Joey Beltram talk about how he couldn't understand how he got
labeled as a techno
producer after making Energy Flash and that to him it was just a house
tune. I think it
really says a lot for the New York sound of the time. When I interviewed
Frankie Bones he
said that none of the music from Detroit really began to filter into NY 
until

the early
90s and that all the early Nu Groove stuff that they all did really was
concieved in
isolation from techno.

 I have to say, its a pretty good programme and has been telling it 
pretty

much how it was,
even if Derrick May did slate England for labelling music too much :)

 Stewart



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RE: [313] agents of change

2001-11-28 Thread Gary_Girard



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People with horns should be banned! Someone blowing a horn out of time (or
even in it) just ruins the sound - IMO. In the days of raves it was all
part of the atmosphere and didn't matter too much (I must state now that I
never at any time used a whistle or a horn! :o) but there is no place for
them at Techno events!
 I can't remember who I was listening to now but when one guy wondered in
to the tent at The Essential Festival and started blowing his horn just a
short distance away from me I was tempted to go and tell him that he was in
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RE: [313] Pump up the Volume

2001-11-28 Thread Mann, Ravinder [CCS]
Sihtmissed it the last one...Taped the previous two...anyone know if its 
due to be repeated
at some other hour...R

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 Damn, that show sounds dope! You guys are lucky over there. I can't 
 imagine seeing anything that in depth on American TV these days. The 
 closest thing I've seen to something like that was a program on PBS one 
 time a few years ago. It was a documentary, that I think was of Canadian 
 origin anyway, about Hip-Hop and Electronic music. In addition to De La 
 and Grandmaster Flash, they had a brief segment with Derrick May talking 
 about the Detroit sound. Anyone ever see that? (I apologize if this has 
 already been discussed to death on this list)
 
 -J
 
  Just watching tonights episode, pretty mad.
  
  Hearing Joey Beltram talk about how he couldn't understand how he got 
 labeled as a techno
 producer after making Energy Flash and that to him it was just a house 
 tune. I think it
 really says a lot for the New York sound of the time. When I interviewed 
 Frankie Bones he
 said that none of the music from Detroit really began to filter into NY until 
 the early
 90s and that all the early Nu Groove stuff that they all did really was 
 concieved in
 isolation from techno.
  
  I have to say, its a pretty good programme and has been telling it pretty 
 much how it was,
 even if Derrick May did slate England for labelling music too much :)
  
  Stewart
  
  
  
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Re: [313] Pump up the Volume

2001-11-28 Thread Gary_Girard



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This whole series has been superb - an education! Goldie was entertaining
last night when he was saying how he made Derrick May sit in his car and
not say a word whilst he listened to the whole of 'Inner City Life.' I
didn't realize either that he's recognized as being the person that made
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Re: [313] Pump up the Volume

2001-11-28 Thread Tom Robbins/Tom Magic Feet
Yeah, best thing on TV about this ever! I was surprised no-one commented on
last week's 2nd segment (mind you, neither did I...) seeing as that was
where Detroit came into play. Having said that, Derrick May and Kevin
Saunderson were both featured but Juan Atkins wasn't mentioned at all. Also
interesting about last week's was a former UK Chief Constable admitting that
the police wilfully broke the law to try and stop parties going off.

Last night's was pretty much excellent too, although you could tell that the
timeline (1990-present) had been extended because the made some pretty big
jumps. I think they gave the Happy Mondays rather too much credit for
'bringing house to the masses' early on, for one thing and I really don't
think that that Leftfield/Lydon record was anywhere near as important as
they made it seem. What struck me about the part about Beltram and 'Energy
Flash' was that it was a good example of how a record could get noticed
initially for its novelty value - the 'Ecstasy' sample - but then go on to
be recognised as a classic for its musical qualities.

And if there's one club I regret never going to, it's Rage. Watching last
night's programme reminded me that I gave my copy of Goldie's 'Terminator'
to a now ex-girlfriend! It was also interesting when Goldie said that his
whole thing at one time was to freak out Derrick May wth his music. And
Pierre made a good point about music and sounds being like shareware, so
he was happy that other people had picked up on his ideas and done them
their own way. Finally, Daniel Pemberton's title music was cool too - very
reminiscent of brittle early Chicago house.

Yup, best house programme ever without a doubt. Unfortunately I didn't video
it, I can't. I would imagine that it will be repeated soon on E4, though, as
it's had a very positive reaction in general, so there's the chance for
someone to get it all on tape and get a copy off to, um, whoever it was on
this list who said they could convert the tape for US machines.

TOM

NP: David Donohoe: First Course In Hygiene (D1) - good stuff.

Subject: [313] Pump up the Volume


 Just watching tonights episode, pretty mad.

 Hearing Joey Beltram talk about how he couldn't understand how he got
labeled as a techno producer after making Energy Flash and that to him it
was just a house tune. I think it really says a lot for the New York sound
of the time. When I interviewed Frankie Bones he said that none of the music
from Detroit really began to filter into NY until the early 90s and that all
the early Nu Groove stuff that they all did really was concieved in
isolation from techno.

 I have to say, its a pretty good programme and has been telling it pretty
much how it was, even if Derrick May did slate England for labelling music
too much :)

 Stewart


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[313] Fw: LOST: Jeff Mills returns for an exclusive New Year's Eve date

2001-11-28 Thread Tom Robbins/Tom Magic Feet
LOST
Presents
Chairoscuro Incorporating the Interaction of Colour

With Jeff Mills (exclusive UK date)
and Steve Bicknell
More DJs t.b.c.

New Years Eve
31 December 2001
A Central London Warehouse/Studio Location
11PM - 7AM

Jeff Mills (Axis, Purpose Maker, Tomorrow) returns to the UK for the first
time in over 2 years for what is set to be a memorable New Year's Eve Party
and a DJ set interspersed with exclusive preview film footage. Lost resident
Steve Bicknell also spins.

More artists and DJs to be confirmed.

Ticket price: £tba

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FW: [313] Let's All Dance

2001-11-28 Thread veto


 As far as the not being able to hear thingy...that just means the
 system was 
 crap.  If the system is bumpin' you should not only be able to dance,

 
 What about those annoying whistleblower dudes, and those guys that
 holler 'whoop whoop' every now and then. They piss me off in a big way.

The highly unpleasant whoop, whoop thing is now a terrible WORLDWIDE
phenomena- I've been to Barcelona, New York, Detroit, London and many other
places which seem to have been affected- I blame Pat'n'Mick (one for the UK
audience)

Jason Brunton
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Re: [313] Fw: LOST: Jeff Mills returns for an exclusive New Year's Eve date

2001-11-28 Thread Tom Churchill
 LOST
 Presents...
 ...Jeff Mills (exclusive UK date)
snip

Stiff competition from Plastic People on NYE however - Theo Parrish,
Maurizio, Pharoah Sanders, Gilles Peterson, 4 Hero etc.

http://www.plasticpeople.co.uk

I know where I'd rather be...

Cheers,

Tom

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RE: [313] Fw: LOST: Jeff Mills returns for an exclusive New Year' s Eve date

2001-11-28 Thread Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| -Original Message-
| From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:02 PM
| 
|  LOST
|  Presents...
|  ...Jeff Mills (exclusive UK date)
| snip
| 
| Stiff competition from Plastic People on NYE however - Theo Parrish,
| Maurizio, Pharoah Sanders, Gilles Peterson, 4 Hero etc. snip

Yeah - and stiff competition for the both of them, from me playing booty in
Hackney! :)

http://www.wideadventure.com/djs.asp#district

(seriously, though, I don't know what's come over the people at Plastic
People - that is a bloody nice line-up for NYE)

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Re: RE: [313] Fw: LOST: Jeff Mills returns for an exclusive New Year' s Eve date

2001-11-28 Thread stewart

Any UK 313ers know what Ranx is up to this NYE. He teased us in a previous post 
saying the KDJ party in December was a warm up for what they had planned for 
NYE. Maybe UR is hitting London again??? Anyone with any info?

Stewart

 
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   s Eve date
 
 | -Original Message-
 | From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:02 PM
 | 
 |  LOST
 |  Presents...
 |  ...Jeff Mills (exclusive UK date)
 | snip
 | 
 | Stiff competition from Plastic People on NYE however - Theo Parrish,
 | Maurizio, Pharoah Sanders, Gilles Peterson, 4 Hero etc. snip
 
 Yeah - and stiff competition for the both of them, from me playing booty in
 Hackney! :)
 
 http://www.wideadventure.com/djs.asp#district
 
 (seriously, though, I don't know what's come over the people at Plastic
 People - that is a bloody nice line-up for NYE)
 
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[313] dd's 1st course in hygiene

2001-11-28 Thread beautiful individual
hooray! glad to hear someone outside of ireland is lovin' this album. eamonn 
doyle and d1 records deserve recognition for their brilliant releases over 
the last few years - and this is, without question, their flagship record so 
far.





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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:52:08 -

Yeah, best thing on TV about this ever! I was surprised no-one commented on
last week's 2nd segment (mind you, neither did I...) seeing as that was
where Detroit came into play. Having said that, Derrick May and Kevin
Saunderson were both featured but Juan Atkins wasn't mentioned at all. Also
interesting about last week's was a former UK Chief Constable admitting 
that

the police wilfully broke the law to try and stop parties going off.

Last night's was pretty much excellent too, although you could tell that 
the

timeline (1990-present) had been extended because the made some pretty big
jumps. I think they gave the Happy Mondays rather too much credit for
'bringing house to the masses' early on, for one thing and I really don't
think that that Leftfield/Lydon record was anywhere near as important as
they made it seem. What struck me about the part about Beltram and 'Energy
Flash' was that it was a good example of how a record could get noticed
initially for its novelty value - the 'Ecstasy' sample - but then go on to
be recognised as a classic for its musical qualities.

And if there's one club I regret never going to, it's Rage. Watching last
night's programme reminded me that I gave my copy of Goldie's 'Terminator'
to a now ex-girlfriend! It was also interesting when Goldie said that his
whole thing at one time was to freak out Derrick May wth his music. And
Pierre made a good point about music and sounds being like shareware, so
he was happy that other people had picked up on his ideas and done them
their own way. Finally, Daniel Pemberton's title music was cool too - very
reminiscent of brittle early Chicago house.

Yup, best house programme ever without a doubt. Unfortunately I didn't 
video
it, I can't. I would imagine that it will be repeated soon on E4, though, 
as

it's had a very positive reaction in general, so there's the chance for
someone to get it all on tape and get a copy off to, um, whoever it was on
this list who said they could convert the tape for US machines.

TOM

NP: David Donohoe: First Course In Hygiene (D1) - good stuff.

Subject: [313] Pump up the Volume


 Just watching tonights episode, pretty mad.

 Hearing Joey Beltram talk about how he couldn't understand how he got
labeled as a techno producer after making Energy Flash and that to him it
was just a house tune. I think it really says a lot for the New York sound
of the time. When I interviewed Frankie Bones he said that none of the 
music
from Detroit really began to filter into NY until the early 90s and that 
all

the early Nu Groove stuff that they all did really was concieved in
isolation from techno.

 I have to say, its a pretty good programme and has been telling it 
pretty

much how it was, even if Derrick May did slate England for labelling music
too much :)

 Stewart


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RE: [313] Motor Rumors

2001-11-28 Thread T.J.Johnson
I don't know about them moving or not, but I know that they didn't transport 
the old sound system downtown.  It is the new sound system for Prontos in 
Ferndale from what I hear...



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RE: [313] agents of change

2001-11-28 Thread T.J.Johnson
this was the fact that it seemed like the crowd had thinned by 50% by 4 am, a 
mere 1/2 hour after Jeff went on..
 -P


Yeah we had to split early too.  We left around 4:30 because of exhaustion.  I 
think maybe it was just a long day for alot of people being Thanksgiving 
and all.  That's my excuse ;)


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[313] Motor Rumors

2001-11-28 Thread Paul Jenvey
Quoting now--

 Motor is surrounded by a residential neighborhood so
it makes it very hard to stay open past 2am. The
boomboomboom flowing to outside from indoors makes it
hard to be sneaky too. You have to have a special
permit (which costs more mula) to have a closed bar
and remain open past 2am. You really can't make that

--

On a side note, I hear Motor is being moved to the old Moose Lodge
building downtown, and this is why they remodeled (to move the old
decorations etc to the new spot).  Does anyone know if there's any truth
to this rumor?  I also hear that one reason that the change is happening
is because motor was bought out...  anyone know if this is true, and by
whom?


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RE: [313] Motor Rumors

2001-11-28 Thread Rob Theakston
i don't know about the moose lodge rumors. but i know that dan sordyl is
still owner of motor.

kip winger is selling his pants on ebay. how nice:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1487496065

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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] Motor Rumors


Quoting now--

 Motor is surrounded by a residential neighborhood so
it makes it very hard to stay open past 2am. The
boomboomboom flowing to outside from indoors makes it
hard to be sneaky too. You have to have a special
permit (which costs more mula) to have a closed bar
and remain open past 2am. You really can't make that

--

On a side note, I hear Motor is being moved to the old Moose Lodge
building downtown, and this is why they remodeled (to move the old
decorations etc to the new spot).  Does anyone know if there's any truth
to this rumor?  I also hear that one reason that the change is happening
is because motor was bought out...  anyone know if this is true, and by
whom?


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RE: [313] agents of change

2001-11-28 Thread Paul Jenvey
 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:49:46
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 From: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [313] agents of change
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I was at this event and was appalled by the vapidity of the crowd.  I've
 been to perhaps thousands of parties much like this and never was a lack of
 SYMBIOSIS more apparent due to the lack of soul in the crowd.



This was exactly the point that I was getting at.  Dancing or no dancing aside 
(frankly, I dont care which), it was the over all atmosphere I was refering to. 
 Personally, I was thrilled to be seing Jeff Mills.  I had only had 2 other 
opprotunities to see him in detroit (well, michigan), and both times were 
amazing, however, at both other events, it seemed the crowd actually realized 
the treat that they were in for... At Agents, it felt like it was taken for
granted, and people were showing up for a rave party, not Jeff Mills.  I'd have 
to say that proof of this was the fact that it seemed like the crowd had 
thinned by 50% by 4 am, a mere 1/2 hour after Jeff went on..
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Re: [313] Pump up the Volume

2001-11-28 Thread Dan Sicko
That's interesting ... I think it would be fair to say they were 
heavily influenced by Detroit records (specifically Kevin Saunderson 
basslines), whenever it was they first heard 'em.


-d

At 12:50 AM +0100 11/28/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just watching tonights episode, pretty mad.

Hearing Joey Beltram talk about how he couldn't understand how he 
got labeled as a techno producer after making Energy Flash and that 
to him it was just a house tune. I think it really says a lot for 
the New York sound of the time. When I interviewed Frankie Bones he 
said that none of the music from Detroit really began to filter into 
NY until the early 90s and that all the early Nu Groove stuff that 
they all did really was concieved in isolation from techno.


I have to say, its a pretty good programme and has been telling it 
pretty much how it was, even if Derrick May did slate England for 
labelling music too much :)


Stewart


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RE: [313] Pump up the Volume related.....

2001-11-28 Thread Colette Lewis
While we are all feeling a little retrospective

Tonight on Groovetech Radio London: www.groovetech.com

Colin Dale's Abstrakt Dance Show from 10pm - Midnight  
(GMT)-

 'A HISTORY OF HOUSE SPECIAL' featuring classics from 
1985 -
88.enjoy!!




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Subject: Re: [313] Pump up the Volume


Yeah, best thing on TV about this ever! I was surprised no-one commented on
last week's 2nd segment (mind you, neither did I...) seeing as that was
where Detroit came into play. Having said that, Derrick May and Kevin
Saunderson were both featured but Juan Atkins wasn't mentioned at all. Also
interesting about last week's was a former UK Chief Constable admitting that
the police wilfully broke the law to try and stop parties going off.

Last night's was pretty much excellent too, although you could tell that the
timeline (1990-present) had been extended because the made some pretty big
jumps. I think they gave the Happy Mondays rather too much credit for
'bringing house to the masses' early on, for one thing and I really don't
think that that Leftfield/Lydon record was anywhere near as important as
they made it seem. What struck me about the part about Beltram and 'Energy
Flash' was that it was a good example of how a record could get noticed
initially for its novelty value - the 'Ecstasy' sample - but then go on to
be recognised as a classic for its musical qualities.

And if there's one club I regret never going to, it's Rage. Watching last
night's programme reminded me that I gave my copy of Goldie's 'Terminator'
to a now ex-girlfriend! It was also interesting when Goldie said that his
whole thing at one time was to freak out Derrick May wth his music. And
Pierre made a good point about music and sounds being like shareware, so
he was happy that other people had picked up on his ideas and done them
their own way. Finally, Daniel Pemberton's title music was cool too - very
reminiscent of brittle early Chicago house.

Yup, best house programme ever without a doubt. Unfortunately I didn't video
it, I can't. I would imagine that it will be repeated soon on E4, though, as
it's had a very positive reaction in general, so there's the chance for
someone to get it all on tape and get a copy off to, um, whoever it was on
this list who said they could convert the tape for US machines.

TOM

NP: David Donohoe: First Course In Hygiene (D1) - good stuff.

Subject: [313] Pump up the Volume


 Just watching tonights episode, pretty mad.

 Hearing Joey Beltram talk about how he couldn't understand how he got
labeled as a techno producer after making Energy Flash and that to him it
was just a house tune. I think it really says a lot for the New York sound
of the time. When I interviewed Frankie Bones he said that none of the music
from Detroit really began to filter into NY until the early 90s and that all
the early Nu Groove stuff that they all did really was concieved in
isolation from techno.

 I have to say, its a pretty good programme and has been telling it pretty
much how it was, even if Derrick May did slate England for labelling music
too much :)

 Stewart


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[313] CLEVELAND:HRVATSKI:GREG DAVIS:TWINE:12/5

2001-11-28 Thread Greg Malcolm

Headroom Digital Productions present:

an enchanting night of experimental electronic music and visual
stimulation...featuring:



HRVATSKI :
breakbeat/IDM cutups :
Planet Mu/Kranky Records :
Boston MA

GREG DAVIS DUO :
(keith fullerton whitman and greg davis)
melodic/organic IDM :
Autumn/Carpark Records :
Boston MA

TWINE :
avant beats and soundscapes :
Hefty/Komplott/Bip-Hop Records :
Cleveland OH



visual stimulation via PHASE4 :
Bip-Hop/HD :
Cleveland OH

special guest GIRLTALK :
CWRU :
Cleveland OH

DJ VEINS on the decks


9PM Wednesday, December 5th @ the Asterisk Gallery, 2393 Professor Street,
Tremont/Cleveland.

$5 Admission : BYOB

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Re: [313] Pump up the Volume

2001-11-28 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight

Alright enough already, who's got copies for us in the states?

MEK






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Please respond to   

Tom Robbins/Tom

Magic Feet 









Yeah, best thing on TV about this ever! I was surprised no-one commented on
last week's 2nd segment (mind you, neither did I...) seeing as that was
where Detroit came into play. Having said that, Derrick May and Kevin
Saunderson were both featured but Juan Atkins wasn't mentioned at all. Also
interesting about last week's was a former UK Chief Constable admitting
that
the police wilfully broke the law to try and stop parties going off.

Last night's was pretty much excellent too, although you could tell that
the
timeline (1990-present) had been extended because the made some pretty big
jumps. I think they gave the Happy Mondays rather too much credit for
'bringing house to the masses' early on, for one thing and I really don't
think that that Leftfield/Lydon record was anywhere near as important as
they made it seem. What struck me about the part about Beltram and 'Energy
Flash' was that it was a good example of how a record could get noticed
initially for its novelty value - the 'Ecstasy' sample - but then go on to
be recognised as a classic for its musical qualities.

And if there's one club I regret never going to, it's Rage. Watching last
night's programme reminded me that I gave my copy of Goldie's 'Terminator'
to a now ex-girlfriend! It was also interesting when Goldie said that his
whole thing at one time was to freak out Derrick May wth his music. And
Pierre made a good point about music and sounds being like shareware, so
he was happy that other people had picked up on his ideas and done them
their own way. Finally, Daniel Pemberton's title music was cool too - very
reminiscent of brittle early Chicago house.

Yup, best house programme ever without a doubt. Unfortunately I didn't
video
it, I can't. I would imagine that it will be repeated soon on E4, though,
as
it's had a very positive reaction in general, so there's the chance for
someone to get it all on tape and get a copy off to, um, whoever it was on
this list who said they could convert the tape for US machines.

TOM

NP: David Donohoe: First Course In Hygiene (D1) - good stuff.

Subject: [313] Pump up the Volume


 Just watching tonights episode, pretty mad.

 Hearing Joey Beltram talk about how he couldn't understand how he got
labeled as a techno producer after making Energy Flash and that to him it
was just a house tune. I think it really says a lot for the New York sound
of the time. When I interviewed Frankie Bones he said that none of the
music
from Detroit really began to filter into NY until the early 90s and that
all
the early Nu Groove stuff that they all did really was concieved in
isolation from techno.

 I have to say, its a pretty good programme and has been telling it pretty
much how it was, even if Derrick May did slate England for labelling music
too much :)

 Stewart


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Re: [313] dd's 1st course in hygiene

2001-11-28 Thread veto
 hooray! glad to hear someone outside of ireland is lovin' this album. eamonn
 doyle and d1 records deserve recognition for their brilliant releases over
 the last few years - and this is, without question, their flagship record so
 far.
 
 
 
I haven't heard that album yet but I've really liked each release on that
label and also from Ireland the Freestate 2 release from a few months ago
really blew me away

Jason Brunton
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Re: FW: [313] Let's All Dance

2001-11-28 Thread Michael D Tyrer
I think the two worst things I've come across, were in Munich, a guy who
week in week out would start this hi-pitch screaming and just went on and on
... I dont know why they kept letting him in.
The second was sadly a mate of mine who is very much into rhythm and every
time he went clubbing he would find somewhere to start drumming with his
hands on the woodwork.  The DJs didnt take long to complain, and as soon as
he starts now we have to tell him to STOP..
But seriously, the whooping, cheerings etc from the crowds are what makes
the atmosphere at decent nights and it something we've spoken about a lot
recently.  I'm a firm advocate that you have to have young people (16/18) in
clubs, they're the ones who really let themselves go, they're the ones who
show the enthusiasm and create the atmosphere.
Here in London techno clubs are seriously dead.  There is no atmosphere at
all - and why, cause in London, youngsters dont come to Techno.  Now Im not
saying you should have a club full of 16 year olds (try Peach - the muzik is
shite ... but no one can go there and not have a good time .. and thats
because everyone is up for it).
Look at Atomic Jam in Birmingham - OK its the venue as well, but the place
buzzs and why? cause there's a good sprinkling of youth.  Sadly places like
the End are full of 20somethings all standing around, trying to be trendy,
yeah, people dance, but when was the last time there that there was a great
atmosphere and everyone was buzzing

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Subject: Re: FW: [313] Let's All Dance




 at least people aren't yelling out 'acd!' all the time.
 james




 veto [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/28/2001 06:57:23 AM



 
  What about those annoying whistleblower dudes, and those guys that
  holler 'whoop whoop' every now and then. They piss me off in a big way.
 
 The highly unpleasant whoop, whoop thing is now a terrible WORLDWIDE
 phenomena- I've been to Barcelona, New York, Detroit, London and many
other
 places which seem to have been affected- I blame Pat'n'Mick (one for the
UK
 audience)

 Jason Brunton
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RE: FW: [313] Let's All Dance

2001-11-28 Thread Ian Cheshire
Hey leave Pay  Mick out of it :)

I was at Lost at the weekend and we had a guy doing Michael Jackson moves
with his
glow sticks

As you can imagine his glow sticks were removed..

shame his feet weren't too..:)
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at least people aren't yelling out 'acd!' all the time.
james




veto [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/28/2001 06:57:23 AM




 What about those annoying whistleblower dudes, and those guys that
 holler 'whoop whoop' every now and then. They piss me off in a big way.

The highly unpleasant whoop, whoop thing is now a terrible WORLDWIDE
phenomena- I've been to Barcelona, New York, Detroit, London and many other
places which seem to have been affected- I blame Pat'n'Mick (one for the UK
audience)

Jason Brunton
Iridite

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RE: [313] Trainwrecks/blue notes

2001-11-28 Thread Bulger, Tim
How about 'serendipity'? :)

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Semantics is definately important here...when I hear a trainwreck it
is 
named so because that is what it sounds like...trainwrecks are not 
beautiful...they sound BAD!

However, I am in total agreement that an unintentional error can become 
something quite nice!

Anybody wanna venture on what you would call that?  Blue note coined
for a 
jazz musician's mistake sounds way more pleasing than a trainwreck!

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Re: FW: [313] Let's All Dance

2001-11-28 Thread James Bucknell


at least people aren't yelling out 'acd!' all the time.
james




veto [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/28/2001 06:57:23 AM




 What about those annoying whistleblower dudes, and those guys that
 holler 'whoop whoop' every now and then. They piss me off in a big way.

The highly unpleasant whoop, whoop thing is now a terrible WORLDWIDE
phenomena- I've been to Barcelona, New York, Detroit, London and many other
places which seem to have been affected- I blame Pat'n'Mick (one for the UK
audience)

Jason Brunton
Iridite

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Re: FW: [313] Let's All Dance

2001-11-28 Thread James Bucknell


you don't need 16-18 year olds to have energy and atmoshere at an event. the
median age at body and soul in new york is probably around 30 (there are plenty
there in their 40s) and the energy level is unbeatable.
in fact in the new york area, if you go to a rave with teenagers you're pretty
much guaranteed an empty dancefloor or at least a dancefloor with large numbers
sitting down. the only time they get motivated is when they have plenty of
(dips)angel dust, but then they tend to fight each other until the police turn
up.
james






Michael D Tyrer [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/28/2001 11:33:51 AM

Here in London techno clubs are seriously dead.  There is no atmosphere at
all - and why, cause in London, youngsters dont come to Techno.  Now Im not
saying you should have a club full of 16 year olds (try Peach - the muzik is
shite ... but no one can go there and not have a good time .. and thats
because everyone is up for it).
Look at Atomic Jam in Birmingham - OK its the venue as well, but the place
buzzs and why? cause there's a good sprinkling of youth.  Sadly places like
the End are full of 20somethings all standing around, trying to be trendy,
yeah, people dance, but when was the last time there that there was a great
atmosphere and everyone was buzzing

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 at least people aren't yelling out 'acd!' all the time.
 james




 veto [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/28/2001 06:57:23 AM



 
  What about those annoying whistleblower dudes, and those guys that
  holler 'whoop whoop' every now and then. They piss me off in a big way.
 
 The highly unpleasant whoop, whoop thing is now a terrible WORLDWIDE
 phenomena- I've been to Barcelona, New York, Detroit, London and many
other
 places which seem to have been affected- I blame Pat'n'Mick (one for the
UK
 audience)

 Jason Brunton
 Iridite

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[313] R-Solution

2001-11-28 Thread Rob Theakston
okay one of my favorite radio programs in the whole wide world is R
Solution, which is hosted by Kirk DeGiorgio, 4Hero and Phil Asher on
rotating nights. i have a very few copies of this radio show that i have
pretty much worn down due to repetetive listening. i just read on Kirk's
website that KISS pulled the show.

now, it would be a very very nice christmas gift if SOMEONE out there has a
copy of the last show they'd like to duplicate for me. i would be willing to
pay for tape  postage and i'd throw in some other stuff as a thank you for
your time.

respond in private please. thank you.





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Re: [313] cybotron lyrics webpage......

2001-11-28 Thread Dan Sicko

you mean Model 500?

http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/13.html

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[313] cybotron lyrics webpage......

2001-11-28 Thread - -nikola tesla- -


whats the address for that cybotron lyrics webpage
that was being discussed a little while ago???
thanks...

--leon--

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Re: [313] cybotron lyrics webpage......

2001-11-28 Thread - -nikola tesla- -


im looking for lyrics for alleys of your mind
i thought i remembered going to a webpage
that was posted from the list that had 'em,
im pretty sure it wasn't night drive because
i thought the web page was black with yellow
print. Maybe im wrong, and i'll just never be able
to figure out what he's saying. some of the lyrics
are understandable but some are to distorted to
make out.

--leon--





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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:00:23 -0500

you mean Model 500?

http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/13.html



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[313] Arron Carl

2001-11-28 Thread veto
Hi Listmembers!


Does anyone have an e-mail address for Arron Carl- I've really hit a
brick wall with this one?

Cheers

Jason Brunton
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[313] Paging Collin Chen

2001-11-28 Thread Dennis Donohue

I've been misplaced for a few months, but if Collin Chen could respond (or
someone with a valid email address) - I'd really appreciate it.

Dennis

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