[313] house DJs
funsters anyone seen / heard steve hurley or jt donaldson of late? worth checking? ta p-dogg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New KDJ
anyone know where this is available for sale online? thanks james www.jbucknell.com Yeah, I got one. I like it, and I'm not a big Alton Miller fan, but he seems to be in a rich vein of form. The Instrumental/Dub side is the one for me. (Truth Be Told) [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/08/2002 05:29:22 To:313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:[313] New KDJ Has anyone heard the new KDJ? Someone mentioned it may be Alton Miller. Is it as good at his last piece on Moods Groves? Thanks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Re: Hymen, Six Shooter, Broken Beats and IDM....
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[313] CD Release Party ... Tonight!
TONIGHT YOU'RE INVITED THE 4AM Sound of Tech House @ The Echo - Tuesday, August 13 NO COVER/// :\run recordings, BPM Magazine/www.djmixed.com SPECTRE Entertainment present... The 4AM Sound of Tech House CD Release Party DJ's Aaron Michelson (:\run recordings) Scott Findley (Nordic Trax / Fiji) One of the first American DJs to compile such a flawless collection from the tech house scene...Aaron Michelson deserves your attention. -BPM Magazine Essential -All Music Guide Aaron Michelson http://www.aaronmichelson.com (mp3's, live dates, and more) Out Now: 4AM Sound of Tech House August 19 - Twister, Los Angeles, CA feat. Uniting Souls August 25 - Pasadena, CA (TBA) August 30 - Push, Los Angeles, CA feat. Maetrik, Zack Rieken, Alland September 7 - TBC September 14 - Tantra, Los Angeles, CA feat. Lars 'LB' Behrenroth September 28 - Saturdays in the Park, Los Angeles, CA feat. Juan Atkins - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice, harmonic and a balanced distribution of each a series of shifting multiphonics are created. The judge ignored the multiphonics because they weren't written on the score and said that there are just three notes in the score which aren't protectable. If you go to the Beastie Boy's DVD of the piece Pass the Mic to signify the song there is only my flute sample and a drum beat. The judge consistently used European paradigms to judge my music. An aria from Purcell's Dido and Aeneas and Cole Porter's Night and Day were examples of what is protectable. Choir is about four black women singing in a church in rural Arkansas. This work is a modern approach to a spiritual. As you well know, one would be hard-pressed to find multiphonic fingerings in most jazz scores, even when multiphonics are used If I'm writing for a classical ensemble I'll write out the multiphonic fingerings because of how notation is used in that culture of music. The urgency of this letter is that after unjustly winning the case the Beastie Boys have filed a motion with the court for me to pay their legal fees of $492,000 after they stole my music. I have already spent a considerable amount of money for a creative musician and college professor. This would, of course, send me into bankruptcy, and I stand a chance of losing my home and all that I have worked for through the years. If you can spread news of this judgement around, it will help my cause greatly. The more newspapers, magazines and journals that this is placed in will help. Please inform us of any press that appears so that we can use it in our legal endeavors. My lawyer, Alan Korn ([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]), and he can give you the information of where to send Amicus letters. This decision is a dangerous one that would affect jazz composers and other composers that choose to write in other ways. The strain on this trial and subsequent rulings have been immense. It has curtailed much of my artistic output because of the seriousness of this situation. This is a time when I have to now ask for your help. I am fighting for my rights and the abilty to express myself in my own and any other cultural perspective that I choose as an artist. Yours in music and freedom, James Newton - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What about the artist's right to sample? Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been harmed commercially by the sampling? No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief that it is a James Newton record. -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:20 AM To: 313s Subject: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice, harmonic and a balanced distribution of each a series of shifting multiphonics are created. The judge ignored the multiphonics because they weren't written on the score and said that there are just three notes in the score which aren't protectable. If you go to the Beastie Boy's DVD of the piece Pass the Mic to signify the song there is only my flute sample and a drum beat. The judge consistently used European paradigms to judge my music. An aria from Purcell's Dido and Aeneas and Cole Porter's Night and Day were examples of what is protectable. Choir is about four black women singing in a church in rural Arkansas. This work is a modern approach to a spiritual. As you well know, one would be hard-pressed to find multiphonic fingerings in most jazz scores, even when multiphonics are used If I'm writing for a classical ensemble I'll write out the multiphonic fingerings because of how notation is used in that culture of music. The urgency of this letter is that after unjustly winning the case the Beastie Boys have filed a motion with the court for me to pay their legal fees of $492,000 after they stole my music. I have already spent a considerable amount of money for a creative musician and college professor. This would, of course, send me into bankruptcy, and I stand a chance of losing my home and all that I have worked for through the years. If you can spread news of this judgement around, it will help my cause greatly. The more newspapers, magazines and journals that this is placed in will help. Please inform us of any press that appears so that we can use it in our legal endeavors. My lawyer, Alan Korn ([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]), and he can give you the information of where to send Amicus letters. This decision is a dangerous one that would affect jazz composers and other composers that choose to write in other ways. The strain on this trial and subsequent rulings have been immense. It has curtailed much of my artistic output because of the seriousness of this situation. This is a time when I have to now ask for your help. I am fighting for my rights and the abilty to express myself in my own and any other cultural perspective that I choose as an artist. Yours in music and freedom, James Newton - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:
[313] Online mix...
This isnt strictly 313 but thought some of you might be interested... I put together a short 20min downtempo/housey-ish mix for a competition thing here in the UK..if u fancy a listen: http://www.geezergroove.co.uk/realaudio/InDaMix[FiNaL].mp3 peace, Marc -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New KDJ
James Bucknell: anyone know where this is available for sale online? Vinyl Underground (http://www.vinylunderground.co.uk) has copies (and also 2 minutes worth of real audio clips!) so i imagine copies will shortly turn up at all the usual suspects - Hardwax, Inner City, Smallfish, Record Time, Bent Crayon, Rush Hour etc. rob _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ha! Is this is serious considered response? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:26 AM To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? What about the artist's right to sample? Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been harmed commercially by the sampling? No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief that it is a James Newton record. -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:20 AM To: 313s Subject: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice, harmonic and a balanced distribution of each a series of shifting multiphonics are created. The judge ignored the multiphonics because they weren't written on the score and said that there are just three notes in the score which aren't protectable. If you go to the Beastie Boy's DVD of the piece Pass the Mic to signify the song there is only my flute sample and a drum beat. The judge consistently used European paradigms to judge my music. An aria from Purcell's Dido and Aeneas and Cole Porter's Night and Day were examples of what is protectable. Choir is about four black women singing in a church in rural Arkansas. This work is a modern approach to a spiritual. As you well know, one would be hard-pressed to find multiphonic fingerings in most jazz scores, even when multiphonics are used If I'm writing for a classical ensemble I'll write out the multiphonic fingerings because of how notation is used in that culture of music. The urgency of this letter is that after unjustly winning the case the Beastie Boys have filed a motion with the court for me to pay their legal fees of $492,000 after they stole my music. I have already spent a considerable amount of money for a creative musician and college professor. This would, of course, send me into bankruptcy, and I stand a chance of losing my home and all that I have worked for through the years. If you can spread news of this judgement around, it will help my cause greatly. The more newspapers, magazines and journals that this is placed in will help. Please inform us of any press that appears so that we can use it in our legal endeavors. My lawyer, Alan Korn ([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]), and he can give you the information of where to send Amicus letters. This decision is a dangerous one that would affect jazz composers and other composers that choose to write in other ways. The strain on this trial and subsequent rulings have been immense. It has curtailed much of my artistic output because of the seriousness of this situation. This is a time when I have to now ask for your help. I am fighting for my rights and the abilty to express myself in my own and any other cultural perspective that I choose as an artist. Yours in music and freedom, James Newton - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they
[313] x-ray
Hi, I just saw on the submerge website that there will be a new x-ray record out on Metroplex! The label just said written and produced by X-ray, anyone knows if this is the same X-ray (Derrick May/Juan Atkins/Kevin Saunderson?) as on Transmat numero uno? [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
Yes - What is wrong with sampling? Hip hop and many electronic forms of music use it creatively -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Ha! Is this is serious considered response? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:26 AM To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? What about the artist's right to sample? Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been harmed commercially by the sampling? No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief that it is a James Newton record. -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:20 AM To: 313s Subject: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice, harmonic and a balanced distribution of each a series of shifting multiphonics are created. The judge ignored the multiphonics because they weren't written on the score and said that there are just three notes in the score which aren't protectable. If you go to the Beastie Boy's DVD of the piece Pass the Mic to signify the song there is only my flute sample and a drum beat. The judge consistently used European paradigms to judge my music. An aria from Purcell's Dido and Aeneas and Cole Porter's Night and Day were examples of what is protectable. Choir is about four black women singing in a church in rural Arkansas. This work is a modern approach to a spiritual. As you well know, one would be hard-pressed to find multiphonic fingerings in most jazz scores, even when multiphonics are used If I'm writing for a classical ensemble I'll write out the multiphonic fingerings because of how notation is used in that culture of music. The urgency of this letter is that after unjustly winning the case the Beastie Boys have filed a motion with the court for me to pay their legal fees of $492,000 after they stole my music. I have already spent a considerable amount of money for a creative musician and college professor. This would, of course, send me into bankruptcy, and I stand a chance of losing my home and all that I have worked for through the years. If you can spread news of this judgement around, it will help my cause greatly. The more newspapers, magazines and journals that this is placed in will help. Please inform us of any press that appears so that we can use it in our legal endeavors. My lawyer, Alan Korn ([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]), and he can give you the information of where to send Amicus letters. This decision is a dangerous one that would affect jazz composers and other composers that choose to write in other ways. The strain on this trial and subsequent rulings have been immense. It has curtailed much of my artistic output because of the seriousness of this situation. This is a time when I have to now ask for your help. I am fighting for my rights and the abilty to express myself in my own and any other cultural perspective that I choose as an artist. Yours in music and freedom, James Newton - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
I've lost a lot of respect for the Beastie Boys since the todo with The Prodigy a few years back and this makes them look worse. However, what were Howard's motives for suing? Did he see dollars or was he a genuine outraged artist? I don't think either side come off well in this spat - the music business is dirty indeed - an oxymoron if there was ever one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:15 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Surely the point is that the multi-millionaire Beastie Boys are about to bankrupt the guy, all for the privelege of using HIS music, without asking the right people. Bit shady on their part, and you would have thought if they knew the full story, you'd have hoped that they'd get their record company to stop the action taken against him. If, however, they know exactly what's going on, then they're bang out of order and should be strung up. Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 13:41:51 To:'Odeluga, Ken' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Yes - What is wrong with sampling? Hip hop and many electronic forms of music use it creatively -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Ha! Is this is serious considered response? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:26 AM To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? What about the artist's right to sample? Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been harmed commercially by the sampling? No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief that it is a James Newton record. -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:20 AM To: 313s Subject: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice, harmonic and a balanced distribution of each a series of shifting multiphonics are created. The judge ignored the multiphonics because they weren't written on the score and said that there are just three notes in the score which aren't protectable. If you go to the Beastie Boy's DVD of the piece Pass the Mic to signify the song there is only my flute sample and a drum beat. The judge consistently used European paradigms to judge my music. An aria from Purcell's Dido and Aeneas and Cole Porter's Night and Day were examples of what is protectable. Choir is about four black women singing in a church in rural Arkansas. This work is a modern approach to a spiritual. As you well know, one would be hard-pressed to find multiphonic fingerings in most jazz scores, even when multiphonics are used If I'm writing for a classical ensemble I'll write out the multiphonic fingerings because of how notation is used in that culture of music. The urgency of this letter is that after unjustly winning the case the Beastie Boys have filed a motion with the court for me to pay their legal fees of $492,000 after they stole my music. I have
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
I've lost a lot of respect for the Beastie Boys since the todo with The Prodigy a few years back and this makes them look worse. However, what were Howard's motives for suing? Did he see dollars or was he a genuine outraged artist? surely either/both of the above reasons are perfectly valid and do not interfere with his integrity ?? If making music is his livelihood then I see no reason why he should not sue on dollar grounds - I'd imagine that he'd feel pretty p1ssed off in both respects though ! -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Well, yeah, I see the point, and we would never know why he started court action. The point though, is that the guy stands to lose everything he has, and quite frankly, $500,000 to the Beastie Boys' record co. is nothing really, and bearing in mind they did use his sample, I think the least they could do would be to pay the costs. Remember, he'll still end up with nothing, and they did use a sample from his music to make a vast profit. Big fat corporate mess this one, cos it's unlikely they'll back down If this was a UR sample or something, and UR were getting sued (and were doing a similar e-mail publicity campaign), then would you say the same thing? Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 14:24:50 To:Alex Bond/UK/INF/PwC, 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? I've lost a lot of respect for the Beastie Boys since the todo with The Prodigy a few years back and this makes them look worse. However, what were Howard's motives for suing? Did he see dollars or was he a genuine outraged artist? I don't think either side come off well in this spat - the music business is dirty indeed - an oxymoron if there was ever one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:15 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Surely the point is that the multi-millionaire Beastie Boys are about to bankrupt the guy, all for the privelege of using HIS music, without asking the right people. Bit shady on their part, and you would have thought if they knew the full story, you'd have hoped that they'd get their record company to stop the action taken against him. If, however, they know exactly what's going on, then they're bang out of order and should be strung up. Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 13:41:51 To:'Odeluga, Ken' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Yes - What is wrong with sampling? Hip hop and many electronic forms of music use it creatively -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Ha! Is this is serious considered response? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:26 AM To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? What about the artist's right to sample? Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been harmed commercially by the sampling? No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief that it is a James Newton record. -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:20 AM To: 313s Subject: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice, harmonic and a balanced distribution of each a series of shifting multiphonics are created. The judge ignored the multiphonics because they weren't written on the score and said that there are just three notes in the
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I agree mate..I don't know what RT means.ok so I'll sample Channel 4's anthem and they won't sue me will they? off course they would, in fact the guy that wrote it probably would.. RT I think your being a bit harsh..maybe you should send me a copy of tune you have done, I'll sample massive parts of it, make some cheesy record with it, add some girlies, make a total mint ( as kids are the buying market) and put two fingers up to you when you ask for some kickback and say sorry mate this money's mine..ha ha ha ha. Cos hey lets not beat around the bush,,there are few people who would sit back and bite their tongue and see the dollars just running away from them from what they originally created. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 13:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Surely the point is that the multi-millionaire Beastie Boys are about to bankrupt the guy, all for the privelege of using HIS music, without asking the right people. Bit shady on their part, and you would have thought if they knew the full story, you'd have hoped that they'd get their record company to stop the action taken against him. If, however, they know exactly what's going on, then they're bang out of order and should be strung up. Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 13:41:51 To:'Odeluga, Ken' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Yes - What is wrong with sampling? Hip hop and many electronic forms of music use it creatively -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Ha! Is this is serious considered response? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:26 AM To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? What about the artist's right to sample? Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been harmed commercially by the sampling? No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief that it is a James Newton record. -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:20 AM To: 313s Subject: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice, harmonic and a balanced distribution of each a series of shifting multiphonics are created. The judge ignored the multiphonics because they weren't written on the score and said that there are just three notes in the score which aren't protectable. If you go to the Beastie Boy's DVD of the piece Pass the Mic to signify the song there is only my flute sample and a drum beat. The judge consistently used European paradigms to judge my music. An aria from Purcell's Dido and Aeneas and Cole Porter's Night and Day were examples of what is protectable. Choir is about four black women singing in a church in rural Arkansas. This work is a modern approach to a spiritual. As you well know, one would be hard-pressed to find multiphonic fingerings in most jazz scores, even when multiphonics are used If I'm writing for a
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Well, yeah, I see the point, and we would never know why he started court action. The point though, is that the guy stands to lose everything he has, and quite frankly, $500,000 to the Beastie Boys' record co. is nothing really, and bearing in mind they did use his sample, I think the least they could do would be to pay the costs. well i think the least they can do is not get into a situation with another artist where they run up $500,000 in costs alone! still it's got past that now... Remember, he'll still end up with nothing, and they did use a sample from his music to make a vast profit. Big fat corporate mess this one, cos it's unlikely they'll back down yeah agreed...very ugly If this was a UR sample or something, and UR were getting sued (and were doing a similar e-mail publicity campaign), then would you say the same thing? :) robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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six seconds?! thats a long sample!! IMO that really does verge on stealing, or at least deserving credit as remix/derivative song...you REALLY are asking for it to sample something that long without permission and then release it on the largest possible scale. sounds cut dry to me if it weren't for the big money flexxinas alwaysif the situation were reversed and the corp was sueing someone for sampling the beasties, of course they'd win, and they'd probably have full rights to that person's music in the end too. If this was a UR sample or something, and UR were getting sued (and were doing a similar e-mail publicity campaign), then would you say the same thing? UR wouldnt sample 6 seconds of somebody else's music to form the backbone of a song that they make millions off ofwe all know what UR has been thru themselves getting ripped off by majors, pretty ridiculous to try to imagine a situation in which it is reverse... jt _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] funsters anyone seen / heard steve hurley or jt donaldson of late? worth checking? ta Yah JT's hard at work always doing stuff for Seasons and a pleathora of other labels. I think the most recent thing being the Undercover Agency LP on Seasons which he did with Lance Desardi. JT lives with Lance and chris penny aka CPEN in LA now. For some of JT's best moments I would check out the early Fairpark 12s he did and one of the many 12s he did with Chris Penny; this one on Balance Recordings. One of the last Balance 12s under a different label name Chez Damier had created called Juice Bar. The sounds are very much in that Balance/ Prescription style...classic stuff! Don't know what Steve Hurley's been up to but I love all his oldies of course ;) __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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UR wouldnt sample 6 seconds of somebody else's music to form the backbone of a song that they make millions off ofwe all know what UR has been thru themselves getting ripped off by majors, pretty ridiculous to try to imagine a situation in which it is reverse... I think he's trying to point out that people on the list might have different feelings if it was UR bein ripped off [not them ripping other people].. :] peace, Marc -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think he's trying to point out that people on the list might have different feelings if it was UR bein ripped off [not them ripping other people].. :] ahh ok it was worded a little funny. i missed the people defending the major label i guess...?? wtf?? ! _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Artists shouldn't be motivated by money, whether they are sampling other people's music or being sampled themselves. I think it is common courtesy to acknowledge your sources and the Beastie Boys clearly haven't been professional about this, but I don't think it should ever have got in the hands of shyster lawyers whose only motivation is money. If you're suing for money, unless you have genuinely lost earnings, then I think you have lost your integrity and the argument. -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:28 PM To: 'Robert Taylor'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? I've lost a lot of respect for the Beastie Boys since the todo with The Prodigy a few years back and this makes them look worse. However, what were Howard's motives for suing? Did he see dollars or was he a genuine outraged artist? surely either/both of the above reasons are perfectly valid and do not interfere with his integrity ?? If making music is his livelihood then I see no reason why he should not sue on dollar grounds - I'd imagine that he'd feel pretty p1ssed off in both respects though ! -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Exactly - it's all about the Benjamins isn't it? I hope most musicians don't feel this way about their music, as potential dollar earners as opposed to artistic creations. Cos hey lets not beat around the bush,,there are few people who would sit back and bite their tongue and see the dollars just running away from them from what they originally created. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 13:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Surely the point is that the multi-millionaire Beastie Boys are about to bankrupt the guy, all for the privelege of using HIS music, without asking the right people. Bit shady on their part, and you would have thought if they knew the full story, you'd have hoped that they'd get their record company to stop the action taken against him. If, however, they know exactly what's going on, then they're bang out of order and should be strung up. Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 13:41:51 To:'Odeluga, Ken' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Yes - What is wrong with sampling? Hip hop and many electronic forms of music use it creatively -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Ha! Is this is serious considered response? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:26 AM To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? What about the artist's right to sample? Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been harmed commercially by the sampling? No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief that it is a James Newton record. -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:20 AM To: 313s Subject: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice, harmonic and a balanced distribution of each a series of shifting multiphonics are created. The judge ignored the multiphonics because they weren't written on the score and said that there are just three notes in the score which aren't protectable. If you go to the Beastie Boy's DVD of the piece Pass the Mic to signify the song there is only my flute sample and a drum beat. The judge consistently used European paradigms to judge my music. An aria from Purcell's Dido and Aeneas and Cole Porter's Night and Day were examples of what is protectable. Choir is about four black women singing in a church in rural Arkansas. This work is a modern approach to a spiritual. As you well know, one would be hard-pressed to find multiphonic fingerings in most jazz scores, even when multiphonics are used If I'm writing for a classical ensemble I'll write out the multiphonic fingerings because of how notation is used in that culture of music. The urgency of this letter is that after unjustly winning the case the Beastie Boys have filed a motion with the court for me to pay their legal fees of $492,000 after they stole my music. I have already spent
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Eloquently put! Can I sample it? This is the 21th century be ready to get sampled to death. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 13 augustus 2002 14:45 Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Well, yeah, I see the point, and we would never know why he started court action. The point though, is that the guy stands to lose everything he has, and quite frankly, $500,000 to the Beastie Boys' record co. is nothing really, and bearing in mind they did use his sample, I think the least they could do would be to pay the costs. well i think the least they can do is not get into a situation with another artist where they run up $500,000 in costs alone! still it's got past that now... Remember, he'll still end up with nothing, and they did use a sample from his music to make a vast profit. Big fat corporate mess this one, cos it's unlikely they'll back down yeah agreed...very ugly If this was a UR sample or something, and UR were getting sued (and were doing a similar e-mail publicity campaign), then would you say the same thing? :) robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah.. and maybe submerge should start giving tunes away for free or at least cost :P -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 3:40 PM To: 'Ian Cheshire'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Exactly - it's all about the Benjamins isn't it? I hope most musicians don't feel this way about their music, as potential dollar earners as opposed to artistic creations. Cos hey lets not beat around the bush,,there are few people who would sit back and bite their tongue and see the dollars just running away from them from what they originally created. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 13:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Surely the point is that the multi-millionaire Beastie Boys are about to bankrupt the guy, all for the privelege of using HIS music, without asking the right people. Bit shady on their part, and you would have thought if they knew the full story, you'd have hoped that they'd get their record company to stop the action taken against him. If, however, they know exactly what's going on, then they're bang out of order and should be strung up. Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 13:41:51 To:'Odeluga, Ken' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Yes - What is wrong with sampling? Hip hop and many electronic forms of music use it creatively -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Ha! Is this is serious considered response? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:26 AM To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? What about the artist's right to sample? Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been harmed commercially by the sampling? No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief that it is a James Newton record. -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:20 AM To: 313s Subject: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice, harmonic and a balanced distribution of each a series of shifting multiphonics are created. The judge ignored the multiphonics because they weren't written on the score and said that there are just three notes in the score which aren't protectable. If you go to the Beastie Boy's DVD of the piece Pass the Mic to signify the song there is only my flute sample and a drum beat. The judge consistently used European paradigms to judge my music. An aria from Purcell's Dido and Aeneas and Cole Porter's Night and Day were examples of what is protectable. Choir is about four black women singing in a church in rural Arkansas. This work is a modern approach to a spiritual. As you well know, one would be hard-pressed to find multiphonic fingerings in most jazz scores, even when multiphonics are used If I'm writing
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
Now there's an idea... -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:57 PM To: 'Robert Taylor'; 'Ian Cheshire'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Yeah.. and maybe submerge should start giving tunes away for free or at least cost :P -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 3:40 PM To: 'Ian Cheshire'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Exactly - it's all about the Benjamins isn't it? I hope most musicians don't feel this way about their music, as potential dollar earners as opposed to artistic creations. Cos hey lets not beat around the bush,,there are few people who would sit back and bite their tongue and see the dollars just running away from them from what they originally created. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 13:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Surely the point is that the multi-millionaire Beastie Boys are about to bankrupt the guy, all for the privelege of using HIS music, without asking the right people. Bit shady on their part, and you would have thought if they knew the full story, you'd have hoped that they'd get their record company to stop the action taken against him. If, however, they know exactly what's going on, then they're bang out of order and should be strung up. Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 13:41:51 To:'Odeluga, Ken' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Yes - What is wrong with sampling? Hip hop and many electronic forms of music use it creatively -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Ha! Is this is serious considered response? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:26 AM To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? What about the artist's right to sample? Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been harmed commercially by the sampling? No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief that it is a James Newton record. -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:20 AM To: 313s Subject: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice, harmonic and a balanced distribution of each a series of shifting multiphonics are created. The judge ignored the multiphonics because they weren't written on the score and said that there are just three notes in the score which aren't protectable. If you go to the Beastie Boy's DVD of the piece Pass the Mic to signify the song there is only my flute sample and a drum beat. The judge consistently used European paradigms to judge my music. An aria from Purcell's Dido and Aeneas and Cole Porter's Night and Day were examples of what is protectable.
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
Go to www.submerge.com and download the *free* MP3's from new and upcomming releases... Oh of course downloads are free... -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 13 augustus 2002 16:58 Aan: 'Langsman, Marc'; Robert Taylor; 'Ian Cheshire'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Now there's an idea... -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:57 PM To: 'Robert Taylor'; 'Ian Cheshire'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Yeah.. and maybe submerge should start giving tunes away for free or at least cost :P -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 3:40 PM To: 'Ian Cheshire'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Exactly - it's all about the Benjamins isn't it? I hope most musicians don't feel this way about their music, as potential dollar earners as opposed to artistic creations. Cos hey lets not beat around the bush,,there are few people who would sit back and bite their tongue and see the dollars just running away from them from what they originally created. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 13:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Surely the point is that the multi-millionaire Beastie Boys are about to bankrupt the guy, all for the privelege of using HIS music, without asking the right people. Bit shady on their part, and you would have thought if they knew the full story, you'd have hoped that they'd get their record company to stop the action taken against him. If, however, they know exactly what's going on, then they're bang out of order and should be strung up. Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 13:41:51 To:'Odeluga, Ken' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Yes - What is wrong with sampling? Hip hop and many electronic forms of music use it creatively -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Ha! Is this is serious considered response? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:26 AM To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? What about the artist's right to sample? Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been harmed commercially by the sampling? No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief that it is a James Newton record. -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:20 AM To: 313s Subject: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2, as a result of the combination of voice,
Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
The next step would be to buy yourself one of these... http://audiovideoone.com/store/p002927.htm copy mp3 to vinyl and hey presto free submerge tunes. --Mike Jongsma, K.J. wrote: Go to www.submerge.com and download the *free* MP3's from new and upcomming releases... Oh of course downloads are free... -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 13 augustus 2002 16:58 Aan: 'Langsman, Marc'; Robert Taylor; 'Ian Cheshire'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Now there's an idea... -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:57 PM To: 'Robert Taylor'; 'Ian Cheshire'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Yeah.. and maybe submerge should start giving tunes away for free or at least cost :P -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 3:40 PM To: 'Ian Cheshire'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Exactly - it's all about the Benjamins isn't it? I hope most musicians don't feel this way about their music, as potential dollar earners as opposed to artistic creations. Cos hey lets not beat around the bush,,there are few people who would sit back and bite their tongue and see the dollars just running away from them from what they originally created. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 13:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Surely the point is that the multi-millionaire Beastie Boys are about to bankrupt the guy, all for the privelege of using HIS music, without asking the right people. Bit shady on their part, and you would have thought if they knew the full story, you'd have hoped that they'd get their record company to stop the action taken against him. If, however, they know exactly what's going on, then they're bang out of order and should be strung up. Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 13:41:51 To:'Odeluga, Ken' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Yes - What is wrong with sampling? Hip hop and many electronic forms of music use it creatively -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Ha! Is this is serious considered response? -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:26 AM To: 'Neontsetse'; 313s Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? What about the artist's right to sample? Surely it is ridiculous to award damages to an artist if they haven't been harmed commercially by the sampling? No one is ever going to buy a Beastie boys record in the mistaken belief that it is a James Newton record. -Original Message- From: Neontsetse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:20 AM To: 313s Subject: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? voila Please distribute to raise awareness and support of this important Artists' Rights and Cultural Hegemony issue! -James Newton loses to Beastie Boys: Amicus support requested! URGENT (This story can found at http://www.jazzhouse.org/lobby.html) From: James Newton (renowned jazz musician) -- For the last two years I have been involved in a suit because the Beastie Boys sampled a part of my composition Choir and did not contact me for permission. They did not change in any way what they sampled from Choir. It begins with the sampled six and a half seconds and loops in the song over forty times. Pass the Mic' has appeared in CD, MP3, LP, and DVD formats. The law clearly states that to use someone else's music one must contact and receive permission from both the record company and the copyright owner.Choir was registered with the copyright office and ASCAP in 1978. My publishing company JANEW MUSIC controls 100% of the rights. The Beastie Boys contacted and received permission from ECM Records, which released my album Axum which they sampled in 1992, and ignored me. The case went up for summary judgement one month ago and Judge Nora Manella of US Federal Court ruled against me!!! She stated as a fact of law that my music was not original! The six and a half second sample consists of three sung notes C,Db, C and a held flute harmonic C2,
Re: [313] :::heavy vinyl:::
John Tejada's 'Slogan' is not only heavier than hell, it seems to have a wider than usual diameter, as it barely squeezes into the sleeve. It feels exceptionally dense. Tristan --- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email - Original Message - From: Lee Herrington IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: [313] :::heavy vinyl::: hey folks. i was thumbing through my collection today... [puttin' together a mix CD]. i became aware of the differing thickeness of certain releases... [get a life!] anyway, this splinterfaction EP on digital soul won out... almost as thick as a CD case. anyone got a thick-ass platter they wish to comment on? oh wait! which country tends to produce the thickest vinyl releases? i don't know.. honestly, i'm asking. no track id questions this time... sorry. i need to get out more! i know! regards, lrh - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New KDJ
From what I heard, I quite like it, along with his latest release on Moodz 'n Grooves - Soundscapes and Vibes. This KDJ release is three mixes of the same track. The Moods n Grooves release is more of a downtempo outing with one housey track that's similar in feel to the KDJ. You can hear the KDJ at: http://audio.satelliterecords.com/ram/99208.RAM Tristan --- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email - Original Message - From: (Truth Be Told) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:29 AM Subject: [313] New KDJ Has anyone heard the new KDJ? Someone mentioned it may be Alton Miller. Is it as good at his last piece on Moods Groves? Thanks I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself... _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] :::heavy vinyl:::
Stacy Pullen's Fluke on Photek's Science label is also very thick, as are all Science releases AFAIK fab. - Original Message - From: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [313] :::heavy vinyl::: John Tejada's 'Slogan' is not only heavier than hell, it seems to have a wider than usual diameter, as it barely squeezes into the sleeve. It feels exceptionally dense. Tristan --- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email - Original Message - From: Lee Herrington IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: [313] :::heavy vinyl::: hey folks. i was thumbing through my collection today... [puttin' together a mix CD]. i became aware of the differing thickeness of certain releases... [get a life!] anyway, this splinterfaction EP on digital soul won out... almost as thick as a CD case. anyone got a thick-ass platter they wish to comment on? oh wait! which country tends to produce the thickest vinyl releases? i don't know.. honestly, i'm asking. no track id questions this time... sorry. i need to get out more! i know! regards, lrh - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Re: soulful, no one mentioned ron trent?
- Original Message - From: Minto George [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: [313] Re: soulful, no one mentioned ron trent? From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I read all the 'soulful' dj postings -- no one mentioned ron trent? he was ON at the KMS/DEMF event. speakin of chez and ron, someone out there please make a prescription/balance fan site... there isn't one and there needs to be one. These two labels in particular influenced me so much and made me fall in love with house music all over again. I treasure my prescription balance records so much that I play at least one record from the catalog everytime I play out. Joshua's being among my favorite and Ron Chez of course. minto I agree 100%. In the absence of a more qualified or less busy candidate, I'd be happy to do it, but I won't get the chance for a while. If anyone wants to send me ideas for a site beyond simple testimonial and the discog, I can collect them and see if I can get it together before too long. It would just be a simple web page on a free site if I did it, so I'm certain there are better people to do it, but, again, if no one else wants to... Oh, I would think this should also include something about Clairaudience as well. Tristan --- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New KDJ
Forgive my ignorance but why is KDJ loved by so many people on this list? What is the link with Detroit techno? I've not heard too many KDJ tracks but the impression I get from what I have heard is that it's soulful, down-tempo house. Have I got it all wrong? Pls explain! G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] New KDJ
Euhm what about he makes f*cking great music :) Forgive my ignorance but why is KDJ loved by so many people on this list? What is the link with Detroit techno? I've not heard too many KDJ tracks but the impression I get from what I have heard is that it's soulful, down-tempo house. Have I got it all wrong? Pls explain! -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New KDJ
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [313] New KDJ Forgive my ignorance but why is KDJ loved by so many people on this list? What is the link with Detroit techno? Well, this is not a Detroit Techno list per se. It's a Detroit electronic music list, and the music that influenced it. To that end, KDJ falls under the Detroit part, the Detroit House part and the Detroit influence part (since he samples much of that influential music). :) It's a common misconception here though - it's not just a techno list. I've not heard too many KDJ tracks but the impression I get from what I have heard is that it's soulful, down-tempo house. Have I got it all wrong? Pls explain! Nope. You're spot on there. His older stuff was more toward disco house, and not all of it is downtempo. Certainly not as downtempo as Theo Parrish. Tristan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New KDJ
Well, he's from Detroit and he makes great music... he's released on Planet E and Peacefrog - seems like a pretty healthy 'link with Detroit techno' to me! Are you saying you don't like soulful house music? :) Cheers, Tom Forgive my ignorance but why is KDJ loved by so many people on this list? What is the link with Detroit techno? I've not heard too many KDJ tracks but the impression I get from what I have heard is that it's soulful, down-tempo house. Have I got it all wrong? Pls explain! G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
there are far more valid reasons than lost earnings. something has been created out of love and it has been stolen and abused. now if the beasties were REALLY worried about the tibetan buddhists..? Artists shouldn't be motivated by money, whether they are sampling other people's music or being sampled themselves. I think it is common courtesy to acknowledge your sources and the Beastie Boys clearly haven't been professional about this, but I don't think it should ever have got in the hands of shyster lawyers whose only motivation is money. If you're suing for money, unless you have genuinely lost earnings, then I think you have lost your integrity and the argument. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
Come on don't be so dramatic about this, i think there are thousands of lawsuits like this going on right now. This is the 21th century be ready to get sampled to death. It wasn't really smart of that Hewton guy to get this case so big he is facing bankruptcy, the whole e-mail is a bit to dramatic, oh i am loosing my house over this well if you don't have the money to go to court then don't go! I really don't hope we have to discuss every sample case on this list. hmm, yes sampling is everywhere, but the point is that james newton created the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE wants. but he should also have a saying in what he doesn't want to have happen with his work [that's basically what copyright is for] so when someone else uses his work he should get aproval of the original author, the mere fact that this doesn't always happen, but that doesn't make it right! how would you react if someone samples one of your all time 313 classic pieces and turns it into the cheesiest record ever and makes a uge profit out of it, it's not about the money, you as an artist would feel violated, the rip off is everything you are against, and you're not even gettting recognition for the original work, doesn't feel so good does it? jurren _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Fw: Pimping In High Places
About time someone picked up GiGi Galaxy - talk about underrated... ARTIST: GARY MARTIN TITLE: PIMPING PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES LABEL: exceptional FORMAT: 12 VINYL CAT NO: EXEC019 RELEASED: 23/09/02 Tracklisting: A. Album Mix B. Gigi Galaxy Mix 2001 Detroit Music Awards nominee Gary Martin although newly signed to eclectic UK label exceptional is no beginner in making music Widely respected by the underground cognoscenti Detroit based Martin has already released over 30 records - many on his own Teknotika imprint. As well as writing and recording his own tracks Gary is also well known as a producer, band leader and DJ and is generally regarded as one of todays more adventurous and entertaining artists. Previous releases have regularly featured in the top ten lists of DJs such as Sven Vath and Laurent Garnier, and it is certainly true that most fans of electronic music are familiar with either Teknotika, Gary Martin or his Gigi Galaxy alias. Gary is a frequent visitor to Europe as a DJ delivering a powerful and moving set of tribal, house, and funky techno. He is a favourite in Paris since his first trip at the Aquaplaning Festival in 1999, and has since DJ'd at The Rex there, The Loft in Switzerland, and the 7th House in Istanbul, amongst others. The first single to be released on exceptional is taken from the forthcoming album, 'Vive la Difference' - due out in late October on exceptional. Pimping People in High Places (album version) is based around an old school skipping rhythm pattern, with some subtle filtered tribal drums adding extra impetus. A snatched vocal yell gives more yesteryear flavour, but the deep low-end melody and slightly sinister keys bring it bang up to date. The identity of the track is set in place with the dark mantra of the title repeating throughout. Pimping People in High places ( Gigi Galaxy mix) - The momentum of this remix is less linear, with an off-beat less obvious drive. The sonic template is faithful to the original, with more focus given to the titling vocal line. Other house inflected vocal elements work away in the background, as other instrumental aspects filter in and out over some unsettling washes. Other notable Teknotika singles include: Tiger Trance: An underground hit in 1994, don't let the name fool you. This is one of the first loop based tribal tracks. Black Forest: This track is played in all the top name techno sets. Casa Cugat: A progressive latin/disco number on Kevin Saunderson's label, KMS Productions. ** Gary Martin will be playing (DJ set) at Flux, Mass (Brixton) on Saturday, August 31st, alongside Stacey Pullen and Ben Sims. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
if you don't have the money to go to court, just shut-up, bite your tongue and don't fight back about the injustice IMO, if you can recognise the sample you need to credit it, and if you're selling enough of that song to be asked to pay compensation you should be respecting the artists that made your music possible, and give them something. kataconda Come on don't be so dramatic about this, i think there are thousands of lawsuits like this going on right now. This is the 21th century be ready to get sampled to death. It wasn't really smart of that Hewton guy to get this case so big he is facing bankruptcy, the whole e-mail is a bit to dramatic, oh i am loosing my house over this well if you don't have the money to go to court then don't go! I really don't hope we have to discuss every sample case on this list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] new planet e ?
Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Yeah, it's imminent, next week apparently. The wonderful life track is a remix of the one on Landcruising. The B side is 'sitting under a tree' w/ Sarah Gregory. Oh, happy days : ) I like re-issues like this Niko Tzoukmanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 15:44:31 To:313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:[313] new planet e ? has anyone heard of a new planet e 12 by carl craig listed as 'a wonderful day', i've seen it on the neuton list (german distributor) i guess this should be 'a wonderful life' from landcruising and is probably number 3 in the planet e re-release list ? has anyone else heard of this, and which other tracks are on that ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Financial Services Authority for investment business activities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] KDJ
** Entertainment UK Limited Registered Office: 243 Blyth Road, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1DN. Registered in England Numbered 409775 This e-mail is only intended for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions or comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of the company. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you for your co-operation. ** Well, he's from Detroit and he makes great music... he's released on Planet E and Peacefrog - seems like a pretty healthy 'link with Detroit techno' to me! Are you saying you don't like soulful house music? :) Cheers, Tom I didn't slate KDJ, I didn't say you shouldn't be posting about him on 313. I've just noticed that everyone seems to like him on 313 but the KDJ tunes i've heard seem quite far removed from techno - disco sounds soulful vocals. I was just wondering what it is about KDJ that everyone loves. I might need to buy some KDJ records myself. Chill! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] new planet e ?
Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Ignore my slightly duff info, I was close though! It's the Chinese whispers of techno land, the info came from a mate. Still can't wait though. Don't suppose Rob wants to tell us what's on the 4th one? -- Forwarded by Alex Bond/UK/INF/PwC on 13/08/2002 15:53 --- Alex Bond/UK/INF/[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 15:51:39 To:313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:Re: [313] new planet e ? Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Yeah, it's imminent, next week apparently. The wonderful life track is a remix of the one on Landcruising. The B side is 'sitting under a tree' w/ Sarah Gregory. Oh, happy days : ) I like re-issues like this Niko Tzoukmanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/08/2002 15:44:31 To:313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject:[313] new planet e ? has anyone heard of a new planet e 12 by carl craig listed as 'a wonderful day', i've seen it on the neuton list (german distributor) i guess this should be 'a wonderful life' from landcruising and is probably number 3 in the planet e re-release list ? has anyone else heard of this, and which other tracks are on that ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Financial Services Authority for investment business activities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Financial Services Authority for investment business activities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
the point is that james newton created the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE wants. Does he really have that right? There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
if you don't have the money to go to court, just shut-up, bite your tongue and don't fight back about the injustice spot the flaw in the legal system ? -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
:the point is that james newton created :the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what :HE wants. : :Does he really have that right? :There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public :domain it belongs to everyone. Yes but this is usually accompanied by the proviso that then anyone that freely uses the work must give the same rights for other people to use theirs (this is definitely the case in open source agreements, copyleft etc) And in this case im fairly surely the beastie boys would have something to say about a high profile artist sampling some of their music and using it without permission - in fact im pretty sure I heard that they wont even license tracks to appear on compilations. Cheers neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ok can I steal your unique personal pocessions in your house then? can I steal you partner? would that please you and you'd be happy about that..ahhh how sweet of you. thnaks everyone, go round to Channel four and ask for Robert Taylor and then follow him home and take what is his and make it yours cos after all There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. yipee! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 17:05 To: 'jurren baars'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? the point is that james newton created the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE wants. Does he really have that right? There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
Even with this school of thought you should credit it as someone elses. It's one thing to use someone elses work, it's another to try an pass it off as your own (or at least not care if people think it's yours) even if it is considered to be in the public domain. --Mike Robert Taylor wrote: the point is that james newton created the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE wants. Does he really have that right? There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~mhl/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
Agreed. I refer you to Neil Wallace's earlier response. -Original Message- From: Michael Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 3:25 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Even with this school of thought you should credit it as someone elses. It's one thing to use someone elses work, it's another to try an pass it off as your own (or at least not care if people think it's yours) even if it is considered to be in the public domain. --Mike Robert Taylor wrote: the point is that james newton created the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE wants. Does he really have that right? There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~mhl/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: house DJs/JT Donaldson
Speaking of. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=899471973r=0t=0showTutorial=0ed=1029803351indexURL=0rd=1 Minto George [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org o.com cc: Subject: [313] Re: house DJs/JT Donaldson 08/13/02 08:24 AM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] funsters anyone seen / heard steve hurley or jt donaldson of late? worth checking? ta Yah JT's hard at work always doing stuff for Seasons and a pleathora of other labels. I think the most recent thing being the Undercover Agency LP on Seasons which he did with Lance Desardi. JT lives with Lance and chris penny aka CPEN in LA now. For some of JT's best moments I would check out the early Fairpark 12s he did and one of the many 12s he did with Chris Penny; this one on Balance Recordings. One of the last Balance 12s under a different label name Chez Damier had created called Juice Bar. The sounds are very much in that Balance/ Prescription style...classic stuff! Don't know what Steve Hurley's been up to but I love all his oldies of course ;) __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
everyone, go round to Channel four and ask for Robert Taylor and then follow him home and take what is his and make it yours cos after all There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. alright, i know you're joking here, but just wanted to clarify because I think there is a case to be made for this school of thought. you are talking about stealing someone's personal belongings- this has always been against the law and has nothing to do with copyright issues. the issue is when created works are distributed to the public, how the public is allowed to use those works. there is a good 30 min speech wrapped in an 8meg flash file by Lawrence Lessig (author and Stanford Law Professor) promoting this school of thought here: http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/ and more info on what Lessig is up to at http://lessig.org Regarding the Beastie Boys thing- I agree with the last few posts- there may be nothing wrong with their use of the work in a new and (arguably) original context- but they should have at least given credit to the author. I think many hip hoppers have a sort of hypocritical stance on sampling. They advocate it, but at the same time don't want to reveal their sources for fear of other hip hoppers swiping the same loops or discovering the secret weapons of their record collection :) pete yipee! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 17:05 To: 'jurren baars'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? the point is that james newton created the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE wants. Does he really have that right? There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
but they should have at least given credit to the author. by george they should of!what a load of brass monkey's! oh copyright there sorry BB's I'll send you some cash for using it :0) -Original Message- From: Peter Leidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 16:43 To: Ian Cheshire Cc: 'Robert Taylor'; 'jurren baars'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? everyone, go round to Channel four and ask for Robert Taylor and then follow him home and take what is his and make it yours cos after all There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. alright, i know you're joking here, but just wanted to clarify because I think there is a case to be made for this school of thought. you are talking about stealing someone's personal belongings- this has always been against the law and has nothing to do with copyright issues. the issue is when created works are distributed to the public, how the public is allowed to use those works. there is a good 30 min speech wrapped in an 8meg flash file by Lawrence Lessig (author and Stanford Law Professor) promoting this school of thought here: http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/ and more info on what Lessig is up to at http://lessig.org Regarding the Beastie Boys thing- I agree with the last few posts- there may be nothing wrong with their use of the work in a new and (arguably) original context- but they should have at least given credit to the author. I think many hip hoppers have a sort of hypocritical stance on sampling. They advocate it, but at the same time don't want to reveal their sources for fear of other hip hoppers swiping the same loops or discovering the secret weapons of their record collection :) pete yipee! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 17:05 To: 'jurren baars'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? the point is that james newton created the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE wants. Does he really have that right? There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If someone had the time and not a lot to do :). It would be interesting to find out what would happen if you took every beastie boys song cut them up into 6 second clips a distributed them on the net?? Ian Cheshire wrote: but they should have at least given credit to the author. by george they should of!what a load of brass monkey's! oh copyright there sorry BB's I'll send you some cash for using it :0) -Original Message- From: Peter Leidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 16:43 To: Ian Cheshire Cc: 'Robert Taylor'; 'jurren baars'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? everyone, go round to Channel four and ask for Robert Taylor and then follow him home and take what is his and make it yours cos after all There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. alright, i know you're joking here, but just wanted to clarify because I think there is a case to be made for this school of thought. you are talking about stealing someone's personal belongings- this has always been against the law and has nothing to do with copyright issues. the issue is when created works are distributed to the public, how the public is allowed to use those works. there is a good 30 min speech wrapped in an 8meg flash file by Lawrence Lessig (author and Stanford Law Professor) promoting this school of thought here: http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/ and more info on what Lessig is up to at http://lessig.org Regarding the Beastie Boys thing- I agree with the last few posts- there may be nothing wrong with their use of the work in a new and (arguably) original context- but they should have at least given credit to the author. I think many hip hoppers have a sort of hypocritical stance on sampling. They advocate it, but at the same time don't want to reveal their sources for fear of other hip hoppers swiping the same loops or discovering the secret weapons of their record collection :) pete yipee! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 17:05 To: 'jurren baars'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? the point is that james newton created the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE wants. Does he really have that right? There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~mhl/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
now that sounds interesting, cos then you use the court case they won against themoh the irony of it all. So surely if one Judge rules in favour she'd have to do the same for other creator, so then they can't lose! :0) -Original Message- From: Michael Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 16:57 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? If someone had the time and not a lot to do :). It would be interesting to find out what would happen if you took every beastie boys song cut them up into 6 second clips a distributed them on the net?? Ian Cheshire wrote: but they should have at least given credit to the author. by george they should of!what a load of brass monkey's! oh copyright there sorry BB's I'll send you some cash for using it :0) -Original Message- From: Peter Leidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 16:43 To: Ian Cheshire Cc: 'Robert Taylor'; 'jurren baars'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? everyone, go round to Channel four and ask for Robert Taylor and then follow him home and take what is his and make it yours cos after all There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. alright, i know you're joking here, but just wanted to clarify because I think there is a case to be made for this school of thought. you are talking about stealing someone's personal belongings- this has always been against the law and has nothing to do with copyright issues. the issue is when created works are distributed to the public, how the public is allowed to use those works. there is a good 30 min speech wrapped in an 8meg flash file by Lawrence Lessig (author and Stanford Law Professor) promoting this school of thought here: http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/ and more info on what Lessig is up to at http://lessig.org Regarding the Beastie Boys thing- I agree with the last few posts- there may be nothing wrong with their use of the work in a new and (arguably) original context- but they should have at least given credit to the author. I think many hip hoppers have a sort of hypocritical stance on sampling. They advocate it, but at the same time don't want to reveal their sources for fear of other hip hoppers swiping the same loops or discovering the secret weapons of their record collection :) pete yipee! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2002 17:05 To: 'jurren baars'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? the point is that james newton created the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE wants. Does he really have that right? There is a school of thought that once a piece of work is in the public domain it belongs to everyone. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~mhl/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Last Dance Ticket Updates (New Information) (fwd)
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Re: [313] KDJ
I didn't slate KDJ, I didn't say you shouldn't be posting about him on 313. I've just noticed that everyone seems to like him on 313 but the KDJ tunes i've heard seem quite far removed from techno - disco sounds soulful vocals. hmm the kdj release Analog could be taken as techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] KDJ
not forgetting dem young sconies on planet e hmm the kdj release Analog could be taken as techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] KDJ
Dem young sconies (sp?) as well (only the tempo makes it easier to mix with housier stuff - or it did til I got my lovely pdx 2000 :) :-Original Message- :From: Dave Bate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:35 PM :To: 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: Re: [313] KDJ : : : : I didn't slate KDJ, I didn't say you shouldn't be posting about him on :313. : I've just noticed that everyone seems to like him on 313 but the KDJ :tunes : i've heard seem quite far removed from techno - disco sounds soulful : vocals. : : :hmm the kdj release Analog could be taken as techno : : :- :To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
On 8/13/02 11:57 AM, Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone had the time and not a lot to do :). It would be interesting to find out what would happen if you took every beastie boys song cut them up into 6 second clips a distributed them on the net?? Probably something along these lines: http://www.base58.com/spec/ A few Beasties tracks in these mash-ups. -- im - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New KDJ
Techno - house it's all the same brother. What is called house in one city is called techno in another. KDJ does indeed make souful, downtempo house -and that is why so many of us love him so. MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] .co.uk To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org 08/13/02 09:26 AMSubject: Re: [313] New KDJ Forgive my ignorance but why is KDJ loved by so many people on this list? What is the link with Detroit techno? I've not heard too many KDJ tracks but the impression I get from what I have heard is that it's soulful, down-tempo house. Have I got it all wrong? Pls explain! G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
They advocate it, but at the same time don't want to reveal their sources for fear of other hip hoppers swiping the same loops or discovering the secret weapons of their record collection :) I can't stand the concept that if i bought a record, i therefore have the right to keep it 'secret.' In the same vein, i also don't like it when i dj covers up the label of a track they bought and they wont tell me what it is. tangent? _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
The guy who runs that website also runs this other website: http://boomselection.net/ He is of the school of thought mentioned earlier, in fact he thinks all music should be free for everyone. There are several interviews/essays in the archives discussing this in detail, but I haven't had the time to find them. He has lots of intriguing things to say about sampling and the music industry, so check it out. I will try and post the relevant URL when I get the chance. -Original Message From: Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:59 PM To: Michael Lees Cc: The Music Institute Subject: Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? On 8/13/02 11:57 AM, Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone had the time and not a lot to do :). It would be interesting to find out what would happen if you took every beastie boys song cut them up into 6 second clips a distributed them on the net?? Probably something along these lines: http://www.base58.com/spec/ A few Beasties tracks in these mash-ups. -- im - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] USZ TERRAFORM music New Release: Magnox - Dang
Hi All, A new effort from our latest contributor MAGNOX. A chilled, atmospheric downtempo number for your aural pleasure: 128 kbps MP3 http://universalsource.co.uk/terraform/mp3/magnox-dang.mp3 32 kbps RealAudio http://universalsource.co.uk/terraform/realaudio/magnox-dang.ram More soon from NEW CITY 16 with an Amber era Autechre style which will be great - honestly it will! Comments and contributions welcome as always check out http://universalsource.co.uk/terraform/ for more info Cheers Dan @ TERRAFORM music - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fw: Pimping In High Places
I've had that for a while - red vinyl too. It's a decent record. Tom Robbins/MagicTo: 313 mailing list 313@hyperreal.org Feetcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [313] Fw: Pimping In High Places lworld.com 08/13/02 09:47 AM About time someone picked up GiGi Galaxy - talk about underrated... ARTIST: GARY MARTIN TITLE: PIMPING PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES LABEL: exceptional FORMAT: 12 VINYL CAT NO: EXEC019 RELEASED: 23/09/02 Tracklisting: A. Album Mix B. Gigi Galaxy Mix 2001 Detroit Music Awards nominee Gary Martin although newly signed to eclectic UK label exceptional is no beginner in making music Widely respected by the underground cognoscenti Detroit based Martin has already released over 30 records - many on his own Teknotika imprint. As well as writing and recording his own tracks Gary is also well known as a producer, band leader and DJ and is generally regarded as one of todays more adventurous and entertaining artists. Previous releases have regularly featured in the top ten lists of DJs such as Sven Vath and Laurent Garnier, and it is certainly true that most fans of electronic music are familiar with either Teknotika, Gary Martin or his Gigi Galaxy alias. Gary is a frequent visitor to Europe as a DJ delivering a powerful and moving set of tribal, house, and funky techno. He is a favourite in Paris since his first trip at the Aquaplaning Festival in 1999, and has since DJ'd at The Rex there, The Loft in Switzerland, and the 7th House in Istanbul, amongst others. The first single to be released on exceptional is taken from the forthcoming album, 'Vive la Difference' - due out in late October on exceptional. Pimping People in High Places (album version) is based around an old school skipping rhythm pattern, with some subtle filtered tribal drums adding extra impetus. A snatched vocal yell gives more yesteryear flavour, but the deep low-end melody and slightly sinister keys bring it bang up to date. The identity of the track is set in place with the dark mantra of the title repeating throughout. Pimping People in High places ( Gigi Galaxy mix) - The momentum of this remix is less linear, with an off-beat less obvious drive. The sonic template is faithful to the original, with more focus given to the titling vocal line. Other house inflected vocal elements work away in the background, as other instrumental aspects filter in and out over some unsettling washes. Other notable Teknotika singles include: Tiger Trance: An underground hit in 1994, don't let the name fool you. This is one of the first loop based tribal tracks. Black Forest: This track is played in all the top name techno sets. Casa Cugat: A progressive latin/disco number on Kevin Saunderson's label, KMS Productions. ** Gary Martin will be playing (DJ set) at Flux, Mass (Brixton) on Saturday, August 31st, alongside Stacey Pullen and Ben Sims. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
yes - that's the point I was trying to make, only more articulate and concise! -Original Message- From: webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 5:46 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? er...i think this is kinda crazy mainly because it's only a 6 second sample...I think this guy probably didn't make much money on his record that he recorded in 1978 and is looking for a cash in from the beastie boys. One thing I would say is hell he should have teamed up with the beastie boys and possibly worked with them rather than trying to sue them. I would be kinda flattered if I was a washed up artist and someone dug back in the crates and found something in my music that they liked and wanted to sample. Heck even if I was well known in my day rather than trying to make some dough by sueing in court I think it could have been handled in a more amicable way which I feel ultimately would have paid off in the long run. People that get mad and sue artists for sampling their work to make another artform are only looking to get paid. that's the bottom line. They see an artist doing good off of the sample and figure hey i can get some money from this guy. Now if the Beastie boys were some Underground group this guy wouldn't be bitching... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] It is my birthday
And to celebrate: http://avalon.net/~sean/chaircrusher -- 3 tracks so new they don't have names yet. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
perhaps you should check out what he's done before calling him a 'washed up artist'. the guy has been scoring films for a while and still does. i highly doubt he is trying to 'cash out' out over this issue because his record in '78 didn't make any money. B -Original Message- From: webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:46 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? er...i think this is kinda crazy mainly because it's only a 6 second sample...I think this guy probably didn't make much money on his record that he recorded in 1978 and is looking for a cash in from the beastie boys. One thing I would say is hell he should have teamed up with the beastie boys and possibly worked with them rather than trying to sue them. I would be kinda flattered if I was a washed up artist and someone dug back in the crates and found something in my music that they liked and wanted to sample. Heck even if I was well known in my day rather than trying to make some dough by sueing in court I think it could have been handled in a more amicable way which I feel ultimately would have paid off in the long run. People that get mad and sue artists for sampling their work to make another artform are only looking to get paid. that's the bottom line. They see an artist doing good off of the sample and figure hey i can get some money from this guy. Now if the Beastie boys were some Underground group this guy wouldn't be bitching... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
Looks like I get to play devil's advocate. Okay, how is this for an opinion: copyright is completely outdated and someday if humans evolve it will entirely disappear. The free exchange of information of all types is essential to human progress. The idea that information can be owned or contained creates inherently absurd situations, because the category of property is not adequate to the realm of ideas and information anyway. Furthermore: In classical music, John Zorn has written extremely interesting pieces that seem to be almost entirely collages of previous works of classical music, however these pieces certainly deserve to exist and have artistic merit, regardless of the intentions of the previous composers. In jazz music, it is common to quote a phrase from another song in one's solo: an intentional misuse of the original composer's melody. This has always been accepted as artistically valid. It seems to me that sampling is just one step further from these accepted practices. I say, let people sample their hearts out! The real issue is that artist's are not very well off in the dog-eat-dog world of capitalism, if all artists had the chance to make an adequate living, I feel that copyright would be irrelevant. As for Mr. Newton's case, it's unfortunate if his record company did not have his rights in mind when the Beastie Boys contacted them. However, does he own the mechanical recording rights, because that seems to be what is under dispute. It is unfortunate that US copyright law has a bias towards traditional western notated music, BUT, why should Mr. Newton be so surprised at this. It would seem to be common sense. The copyright generally covers anything that can be and is NOTATED, not so much the concrete realization of a piece. It's no use blaming the BEASTIE BOYS for this, they did not write the laws. If there was a score with those specific multiphonics notated, then that would be covered. And, after all, the truth is it's quite possible that segment represented Mr. Newton picking up his instrument and improvising for six seconds, it's not really a phenomenal amount of his life's work or something. As to his court fees, well I feel bad about the guy, but think of it this way, the BEASTIE BOYS did not break the law, and yet they have now spent $500,000! Of course they can afford it, but legally that isn't really the point. Anyway I certainly hope Mr. Newton does not go bankrupt, but legally he seems to be on shakey ground. /dave AKA cyborg k jurren baars wrote: Come on don't be so dramatic about this, i think there are thousands of lawsuits like this going on right now. This is the 21th century be ready to get sampled to death. It wasn't really smart of that Hewton guy to get this case so big he is facing bankruptcy, the whole e-mail is a bit to dramatic, oh i am loosing my house over this well if you don't have the money to go to court then don't go! I really don't hope we have to discuss every sample case on this list. hmm, yes sampling is everywhere, but the point is that james newton created the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE wants. but he should also have a saying in what he doesn't want to have happen with his work [that's basically what copyright is for] so when someone else uses his work he should get aproval of the original author, the mere fact that this doesn't always happen, but that doesn't make it right! how would you react if someone samples one of your all time 313 classic pieces and turns it into the cheesiest record ever and makes a uge profit out of it, it's not about the money, you as an artist would feel violated, the rip off is everything you are against, and you're not even gettting recognition for the original work, doesn't feel so good does it? jurren _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
Look at folk music - who gets credit/royalties for writing the melodies/lyrics? No-one - everyone lifts tunes from everywhere and no-one is bothered. It's just the precious jazz musos and greedy fatcat lawyers and popstars who get annoyed about it. -Original Message- From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:13 PM To: jurren baars; 313 Subject: Re: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ? Looks like I get to play devil's advocate. Okay, how is this for an opinion: copyright is completely outdated and someday if humans evolve it will entirely disappear. The free exchange of information of all types is essential to human progress. The idea that information can be owned or contained creates inherently absurd situations, because the category of property is not adequate to the realm of ideas and information anyway. Furthermore: In classical music, John Zorn has written extremely interesting pieces that seem to be almost entirely collages of previous works of classical music, however these pieces certainly deserve to exist and have artistic merit, regardless of the intentions of the previous composers. In jazz music, it is common to quote a phrase from another song in one's solo: an intentional misuse of the original composer's melody. This has always been accepted as artistically valid. It seems to me that sampling is just one step further from these accepted practices. I say, let people sample their hearts out! The real issue is that artist's are not very well off in the dog-eat-dog world of capitalism, if all artists had the chance to make an adequate living, I feel that copyright would be irrelevant. As for Mr. Newton's case, it's unfortunate if his record company did not have his rights in mind when the Beastie Boys contacted them. However, does he own the mechanical recording rights, because that seems to be what is under dispute. It is unfortunate that US copyright law has a bias towards traditional western notated music, BUT, why should Mr. Newton be so surprised at this. It would seem to be common sense. The copyright generally covers anything that can be and is NOTATED, not so much the concrete realization of a piece. It's no use blaming the BEASTIE BOYS for this, they did not write the laws. If there was a score with those specific multiphonics notated, then that would be covered. And, after all, the truth is it's quite possible that segment represented Mr. Newton picking up his instrument and improvising for six seconds, it's not really a phenomenal amount of his life's work or something. As to his court fees, well I feel bad about the guy, but think of it this way, the BEASTIE BOYS did not break the law, and yet they have now spent $500,000! Of course they can afford it, but legally that isn't really the point. Anyway I certainly hope Mr. Newton does not go bankrupt, but legally he seems to be on shakey ground. /dave AKA cyborg k jurren baars wrote: Come on don't be so dramatic about this, i think there are thousands of lawsuits like this going on right now. This is the 21th century be ready to get sampled to death. It wasn't really smart of that Hewton guy to get this case so big he is facing bankruptcy, the whole e-mail is a bit to dramatic, oh i am loosing my house over this well if you don't have the money to go to court then don't go! I really don't hope we have to discuss every sample case on this list. hmm, yes sampling is everywhere, but the point is that james newton created the original piece; it's his work, so he has the right to do with it what HE wants. but he should also have a saying in what he doesn't want to have happen with his work [that's basically what copyright is for] so when someone else uses his work he should get aproval of the original author, the mere fact that this doesn't always happen, but that doesn't make it right! how would you react if someone samples one of your all time 313 classic pieces and turns it into the cheesiest record ever and makes a uge profit out of it, it's not about the money, you as an artist would feel violated, the rip off is everything you are against, and you're not even gettting recognition for the original work, doesn't feel so good does it? jurren _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless
RE: [313] Fw: Pimping In High Places
This song came out some time in 2001. He must be recyling it! It came out on Teknotika, and my copy is on pinkish/redish vinyl. I think they all came on colored vinyl though. I didn't see any black ones. Not a bad buy, though. mines on black vinyl...quality release from one of my fave producers robin... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
-- Original Message -- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at folk music - who gets credit/royalties for writing the melodies/lyrics? No-one - everyone lifts tunes from everywhere and no-one is bothered. It's just the precious jazz musos and greedy fatcat lawyers and popstars who get annoyed about it. actually, a great number of jazz tunes are compiled in the real book, or in a fake book which doesnt contain some of the tunes in the real book and theyre all considered standards which many musicians play. the idea of owning a sound is stupid. the idea of caring makes no sense unless youre doing it for money. when i put my first tunes up on the web in MP3, anyone who wants can sample them, take them for free, whatever. making money from music like that is ridiculous, IMO. getting paid for live gigs is cool, why not go gig some more? tom andythepooh.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Re: [idm] Burnt Toast 1.0
Burnt Toast 1.0. An 8 channel loop system for live performance or general studio mangling. For those of you familiar with drool_string or camel_toe, this application is comprised of just the loop channels but with some sequencers for added joy :-) Enjoy another freeware Max.Msp creation. http://www.audibleoddities.com/BurntToast1.0-Twerk.sit -Twerk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] EON LIVE SET RADIO 1
EON LIVE SET RADIO 1 This Weds 14 Aug @ 10.30pm GMT Eon is playing a live set on The Peel Sessions, Radio 1 Radio 1 online (bbc.co.uk/radio1) . turn on, tune in, spread the word ! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Burnt Toast 1.0
Burnt Toast 1.0. An 8 channel loop system for live performance or general studio mangling. For those of you familiar with drool_string or camel_toe, this application is comprised of just the loop channels but with some sequencers for added joy :-) Enjoy another freeware Max.Msp creation. http://www.audibleoddities.com/BurntToast1.0-Twerk.sit -Twerk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] It is my birthday
At 01:56 PM 8/13/2002, Kent williams wrote: And to celebrate: http://avalon.net/~sean/chaircrusher -- 3 tracks so new they don't have names yet. Happy Birthday Kent!! jeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: [313] can you post this to the 313 list... ?
Tuesday, August 13, 2002, 1:31:26 PM, a knob was tweaked and out came: TDCJ actually, a great number of jazz tunes are compiled in the real TDCJ book, or in a fake book which doesnt contain some of the tunes TDCJ in the real book and theyre all considered standards which many TDCJ musicians play. the idea of owning a sound is stupid. the idea of TDCJ caring makes no sense unless youre doing it for money. when i put TDCJ my first tunes up on the web in MP3, anyone who wants can sample TDCJ them, take them for free, whatever. making money from music like TDCJ that is ridiculous, IMO. getting paid for live gigs is cool, why TDCJ not go gig some more? Artist reduced to manual laborer . . . yeah, sounds like fecking bliss to me. What next? Selling tickets to watch a writer type a book that will be given away for free at the end of the session? Should I give up on selling my paintings and just charge people to see me make them? Artist does not always equal performer Devalue originality and it will disappear. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Prediction: $2 Billion Digital Music Market by '07
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=802e=1cid=599u=/nm/20020 813/media_nm/media_forrester_dc_2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Boston?
Hello everyone. I'm going to be down in Boston next week for work. hoping there may be something interesting to do, or at least 1 or 2 good record shops. Can anyone help a brother out? Hit me back privately. Matt D __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] - Carl Craig @ Shelter (Thu 8/15)
Just received this a little while ago... Subject: Carl Craig @ Shelter (Thu 8/15) Rare DJ Set by the legendary CARL CRAIG @ Club Shelter Thursday, Aug 15 World-renowned artist, producer and Planet E label head Carl Craig makes a rare NYC appearance with a 3-hour DJ set. Plus Metro Area's Morgan Geist mixing up obscure gems and quirky classics. Show: Carl Craig (Planet E) w/ special guest DJ Morgan Geist (Metro Area) Venue: Club Shelter 20 W 39th St (b/w 5 6 Ave) Date: Thu, Aug 15 Doors: 10 PM Cover: $ 12 (adv) / $ 15 (day of) Tickets:Other Music 212-477-8150 Dancetracks 212-260-8729 Satellite 212-995-1744 Sonic Groove 212-675-5284 Halcyon 718-260-9299 Ticketmaster.com 212-307-7171 More Info: http://www.giantstep.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
