Re: (313) UR
On 22 Mar 2007, at 01:55, Mike Melody wrote: I personally don't see anything wrong with being distributed by itunes-even if it's by far one of the most commercial means of digital media. It's long over due that UR become more of a household name. I just thought that they were underground, underground, I mean underground resistant! UR have made some good moves I feel, they have their own downloads site and they've have been helped a lot of smaller labels as well so I think it's a natural move for them to spread onto Beatport and iTunes. As an aside, UR's back catalog has also started popping up on E-Music over the last couple months. A good chunk of my monthly downloads lately have been dedicated to UR. :)
Re: (313) re: production
But, couldn't you also just keep taking that arguement back against practically ANY new musical technology that was invented? Do people REALLY need more than 2 tracks to make ANY music? Humans only have 2 ears, and most consumer playback hardware only has 2 tracks, left and right. Anything else is superfulous. I suppose I could argue that multitrack recording ruined music, and we would have been better off had Les Paul never invented it. Before multitrack recording, if you wanted to make music you actually had to invest the time to learn how to play an instrument, and play it WELL. Recorded music was written and performed only by people who were willing to put in the years of training and practice that were required to do it well, you had to have an actual band that was capable of all playing the material together and in one take. No overdubs. No layering. No re-takes. Now, with multitrack recording, you've got singers that couldn't put together a solid performance to save their lives and instead rely on overdubs, punching in and out, and multiple takes to get a good performance. Ditto on guitarists, drummers, and on and on. Heck, it's enabled people to get rid of the concept of a band alogether. You've got people sitting in rooms alone with racks of synths and sequencers tapping out little patterns and eschewing any kind of collaboration or real performance, people who couldn't actually PERFORM the songs if they had to. Darn that Les Paul, he's ruined music. I don't have a problem with any of this personally, just as I don't have any problem with using computers and softsynths. I'm just playing devil's addvocate and extrapolating out the point to a further degree. And there certainly ARE some people in the world who would argue in favor of many of these points. People who would claim techno isn't REAL music, simply because of the tools and methodology that's used to produce it. Besides, if you REALLY want to point to the villian for the sad state of music today, I would suggest pointing to the internet. There have always been tons of people making really BAD music, but before the internet it was so much more difficult to distribute it and share it with the world, so it was easier to avoid and ignore. Sure, there are more people making bad music now than ever before, but were it not for the internet we wouldn't have to hear so much of it. :) but its also the general design of the software. do people REALLY need more than 16 tracks to make a dance song? 16 tracks would get LAUGHED at by today's standards. people want infinite tracks so they can make infinite small changes to their infinite bit depth sample of someone in a little room banging on a drum set. music would be better had this nonsense just never existed. tom
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb in London..
For what it's worth, Nitzer Ebb are worth putting up with the worst venue in the world to see live, from my experience at least. I was fortunate enough to catch them on their final tour here in the states all those years ago, and it still ranks as one of my favorite shows of all time. Great performance! Your mileage may very, however. It has been a long time, who knows if that old energy is still there? Hey, if PWEI can do it, hopefully NE can too! :) John Just in case anyone is thinking of going to the London show, be warned - the Islington Academy is one of, if not THE, sh!ttiest venue/s I've EVER been to. [EMAIL PROTECTED] layout and the worst sound. On the other hand, good sound might not be so important here... But the beer's not cheap, either! ; ) Anya On 30 Jan 2006, at 18:48, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Some news, maybe some on the list might wanna check it out...: 'The very 1st Nitzer Ebb Reunion Show in the UK is confirmed on July 9th. The Band will play in London at the Islington Academy. Support act is Terence Fixmer. Also gigs are played in Madrid, Paris, Leipzig, Hildesheim and Arvika (Sweden) over the months June and July 2006.' Regards, Martijn
Re: (313) right now
Listening: Soulfly - III Eating: Nothing. Had a yummy avocado wrap for lunch a bit ago though. Drinking: Earl Gray Thinking: If I were home right now I could had some honey to my tea, and that would be yummy. and Why is IE's CSS support such a big pile of ass? The word for today is, apparantly, yummy? Alrighty then, as we seem to all need a reality check, lets check reality shall we? Listening= yaz - situation Eating= mini cookies (bickies) from yesterday Drinking= some earl grey with waaay too much bergamot. S'like perfume. Thinking= I wonder what jan svankmeyer would think about the bone thread?
RE: (313) Record Time ...The Truth
In case no one hit you up with any links privately, click through the various links in this article: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/30/2037203tid=98tid=187tid=3 The long and short of it is that the major labels want to start raising prices on some tracks on the iTunes Music Store and Jobs is calling them out on being the greedy asshats that they are. fred, that was great read, thanks! re thisLast week the headlines were all about Steve Jobs dictating to the record industry what their new business model will be. is there a good place to read about that on the internet you'd recommend? thanks alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) 303, 707, 808, 909's etc
I never thought I'd be quoting or paraphrasing Charlton Heston, but you can pry my 303 from my cold, dead hands. :) Though, after a bit of though, I realize I haven't even touched the thing in probably over a year, if not longer. My poor, sad, lonely Devilfish must hate me now. I need to give it some love sometime soon. Hi All, Just wondering if any of you have an old 303, 707, 808, 909 etc lying around your place and would like to part with it? I am in Sydney, Australia, and do not mind if you are located outside Australia. Please reply to me personally if you are keen to make some cash. Thanks in advance. George
RE: (313) iridite #5
I've heard he's been hanging around with Ted Nugent, who's been teaching him to hunt and arming him good and proper, so that's probably true. When is intellectual property theif season anyway? :) Yeah, prince is notoriously hard a$$ed about people sampling his stuff. Like he'll hunt you...or so I hear. KKS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:18 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) iridite #5 S..don't tell Warner Brothers! whoops never thought of that! sorry! still, thats a pretty famous guitar lick. mmm. nice. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) 303, 707, 808, 909's etc
Well, you *could* do that, it just wouldn't sound terribly new or original. Not that that's ever stopped me in the past. ;) Personally, I have more fun trying to make it NOT sound like a 303. Even more fun to run external audio through the 303's filters and just use it as an effect box. Good times. I would think this is a perfect time to bring on the 303 what with the current Acid revival, but guys like Luke Vibert have really raised the bar in terms of the musicality in using the 303. You can't just take out the batteries and tweak the cutoff on a random pattern any more. On 10/6/05, John Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never thought I'd be quoting or paraphrasing Charlton Heston, but you can pry my 303 from my cold, dead hands. :) Though, after a bit of though, I realize I haven't even touched the thing in probably over a year, if not longer. My poor, sad, lonely Devilfish must hate me now. I need to give it some love sometime soon.
Re: (313) Hello 313, I am....
Name: John Coleman Age: 35 Currently Living In: Cleveland Want Be Living In: Anywhere else Web Page: www.chromaphobic.com First 313 Purchase: I guess it was Musik by Plastikman (that counts as 313, right?) after a friend played me Marbles and got me hooked. That would have been 97-98, I think. Being originally from Detroit, he then proceeded to open my eyes to that whole wonderful world of Detroit Techno. On Jun 16, 2005, at 8:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Introduce yourself! Name : Alex Bond Age : 30 Place I live : Salford, UK City I was born in : Manchester, UK Webpage : n/a What other questions could we have on it? I cant think of any more. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) song of the day
John Tejada - Everything Will Be OK sup. thanks to robin for posting that larkin interview. just listening to Take Me. Its a theo parrish jam off the parallel dimensions tripple. I remember buying the whole album just for this one joint. Perfect song for the day as the chorus goes take me out the dark. take me to the light. I havent been able to sleep all night for some reason dont know why. whats your song of the day?
Re: (313) DJ Rap's stuff stolen???
Off-topic, but another good lesson for all the musicians out there: BACK UP YOUR STUFF! Not the first time I've heard of someone's stuff getting stolen and with it went the only copy of their new record/song/etc. It baffles me that musicians take their precious creations and treat them with so little care. Beyond theft, there's hard drive crashes, fires, or any other of a myriad of disasters which could befall your data. The little bit of time it takes to do something as simple as burning a few CD-R's and putting them somewhere off-site is a lot better than losing four years of work. Heh, which reminds me... I need to make some backups. I've got two copies of nearly everything at home, but I'm a bit lax on the off-site backups. On Oct 21, 2004, at 5:22 AM, Ken Odeluga wrote: On a scale of one-to-ten of 'on topic-ness,' this makes a grand total of about minus 50 in my view! But hey ... I feel sympathy. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:48 AM To: /0; George Jones IV - Logic7; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) DJ Rap's stuff stolen??? I suspect Josh was just being public spirited - have you heard her stuff? -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:33 AM To: George Jones IV - Logic7; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) DJ Rap's stuff stolen??? oh no, tell me they weren't dating love is the number one cause of psychotic behavior. says i ;) -Joe - Original Message - From: George Jones IV - Logic7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:32 PM Subject: (313) DJ Rap's stuff stolen??? I just got this email a few minutes ago, anyone else hear about this? Can anyone confirm that it's true? (anyone have direct contact with DJ Rap???) Charissa (DJ Rap) asked me to post this: On Oct. 18 Josh NYNEX (Josh Atchley) from LA Offworld Records broke into Charissa's studio/home in LA and took the following items. There is strong belief that they were sold to someone in AZ recently. The items are listed below: - 1 G4 Power Mac - 1 G4 Power Book - 1 Ipod - 1 17 inch plasma display - 1971 US Blond Fender Stratocaster Guitar (we feel he kept this item for himself) Now here is the big problem. All of Charissa's songs for her upcoming new album and lyrics she has been working on for both the new album and other projects were on these computers, along with a variety of personal items like photos, emails form family and friend and such. I'm not going into how low this action is for someone claiming to be a musician to steal from another is just shocking and repulsive. Anyone who can offer any information please contact me (see below) and I'll forward it on the Charissa. The fact that 4 years of her life and artistic creation has vanished which in turn may deprive us of ever hearing her new material is just sickening. She wouldn't be so upset if it just a computer with some emails on it but this is much more serious since those computer contained her blood, sweat and tears. I don't have to point out to some that this happened to BT a while ago twice. Once he lost several finished songs that we will never hear, however the second time someone returned all his items after posts were made all over the internet. So we have hope Josh and the person in possession of these items will do the right thing. Shame on you Josh! Serious... Musicians stick together as family with a unified mission. leads and info to these missing items please send emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , it will be kept private at your request. PLEASE POST THIS EVERYWHERE POSSIBLE, ALERT ALL MUSICIANS, PAWNSHOPS, MUSIC STORES AND MUSIC WEBSITES (INCLUDING THOSE WHO HAVE MEMBERS/VIEWERS FROM THOSE STATES) IN CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA, INCLUDING SURROUNDING STATES. Peace ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
Re: (313) DJ Rap's stuff stolen???
Equally important to store at least ONE backup copy off-site, if possible. Doesn't matter how many backups you have if the building burns down and destroys them all (for example.) Doh! Not that I'm thorough about it, I have two copies of most stuff on two different computers but very little of it is backed up off-site. Hmm... time to start burning some CD-R's. On Oct 21, 2004, at 11:40 AM, George Jones IV - Logic7 wrote: and, for the record, everyone should back up their stuff like I do: CD, Zip, AND floppy. I back up sequences and patch data to all 3, samples an audio tracks to CD, and samples to zip . Gotta have redundancy folks.
Re: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown
I have read a couple articles about the RIAA cracking down on unauthorised mixes here in the states, but only when they were being sold in brick-and-mortar record shops (and mainly targeting hip-hop.) Never heard any mention of free mixes online, but I suppose it was inevitable. :( as far as i'm aware though this is a new stance by the BPI. (or the RIAA). have dj mixes been targetted like this before? i know technically we're (as a community, not me specifically :)) possibly in the wrong but for this kind of music prromotional mixes are the norm. or have things changed? cheers robin... On 14 Oct 2004, at 16:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. ruddy pirates. *we will be back* glad to hear it r kid. although my friend, don't be doing owt daft like putting your job in jeopardy over it. gutted for you, know how you enjoy having that site. all the chicken. Alex.
(313) [Fwd: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds]
Someone over on the techhouse list got a response from Jetgroove.com's attorney, for those interested or curious... Original Message Subject: [Techhouse] Jetgroove Attorney Responds From: Lori Riegler-Namvar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, October 8, 2004 9:12 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Lori Rielger-Namvar, My name is Ulukman Mamytov and I am the attorney for jetgroove.com. I bring you apologies from JetGroove for making you worry about your copyrights infringements and your music repertoire being presented on our website. I want to assure you that jetgroove.com having started a new Online Music Download Service pursues the objective of making your music more wellknown and accessible and ONLY BY LEGAL MEANS. That means we DO NOT SELL any of your music without obtaining a proper permission (License) from you or other respective rightholders. You can easily check this by trying to purchase any of you music. Everything that you choose to put in your cart will have status: Not Available For Purchase Yet. It could only be put ON HOLD. And we do not change that status untill the contract is signed and your permission is granted. In this case all of your music will be given Allowed for Selling status and people who have it in their shopping carts will be able to buy it. The experince of showing your music on our website without distributing aimed to draw your attention to us, with further goal to make contacts with you on friendly terms with a perspective of mutually beneficial partnership. We're glad to inform you that your music is getting popular indeed through our website and we can let you know at any time how many of your tracks were put on hold and which ones. However, we deeply understand your concerns and would like to assure you, if you find our relationships impossible, we will IMMEDIATELY delete all of your music from our music collection. Hope you'll find our offer to make your music more popular through us rather reasonable and we can start that mutually beneficial partnership. Very Truly Yours, Ulukman Mamytov Jetgroove LLP Legal Department - Original Message - From: Lori Riegler-Namvar To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:01 AM Subject: Gourmet/Mazi catalog To Whom It May Concern: You don't have permission to sell the music from my catalog (Gourmet Recordings) or any of my artists listed below and you are doing so on your site www.jetgrooves.com? Can you please tell me where you got my music and fax me over a copy of the agreement giving you permission to sell my music online. All of the music you have listed on your site is registered with the RIAA. They will take legal action against you once informed of any fraudulent doing. Additionally, on my own behalf and best interests, if you fail to take down any improperly licensed music from your site, I will contact my attorney and have him take further action. Regards, Lori Rielger-Namvar Lori Riegler-Namvar Gourmet Recordings 1658 N. Milwaukee Ave. #140 Chicago, IL 60647 773 252 3120 Office 312 909 6259 Mobile 773 252 0176 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Doolittle Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Techhouse] re: Jetgroove FYI the address that is on their website and was previously mentioned is not the addy the site used to register their domain it is: Jetgroove, LLP Suite 12, 3rd floor, Queens House, 180 Tottenham Court Road London United Kingdom _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented MicrosoftR SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU =http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSNR Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
Re: (313) games
Jeff Minter... there's a name I haven't heard in a few years. :) Llamatron is still one of my favorite games of all time. I even built this little box out of wood and two old Atari 2600 joysticks so I could play it in proper dual-joystick style on my Atari ST. :) Games - lets talk then... Stunt Car Thing on a Spring Monty Mole School Days Total techno programmers - Jeff Minter and Tony Crowther Favourite OS - DOS 3.1 Tempest 2000 ate my life away...
Re: (313) Friday - Home Town Band
Hrm... here in Cleveland I'd have to say Devo, they're the closest thing to techno that's come from here and been influential (yeah, they're actually from Akron, but it's close enough, mmm-kay?) There were certainly other influential artists, such as Pere Ubu The Dead Boys, but I don't think they had much impact on the techno scene. :) Every City/Town has one, but which one do you think has had the most influence on the scene we now love? From Sheffield, it has to be Cabaret Voltaire, their BBQ's and Party's influenced everyone here and for many it was the first time anyone had heard Kraftwerk on a big rig - god bless Mal and Richard. Cheers Martin
Re: (313) What On Your Decks
I've just about worn out my copy of the Fixxmer/McCarthy record, and have had a John Tejada mix on perpetual loop on the iPod for the last few days. Other than that, I'm a few weeks behind on my shopping, so not much new. Everything else I've been listening to isn't at all 313-related, some of which I won't admit to in a public forum such as this. :) Coil - Black Antlers New Ed Dmx New Werk 12
Re: (313) Re: new Prodigy album
I didn't mind it, not their best (by far) but I still enjoyed it. The Prodigy are a bit of a guilty pleasure for me though, I still have a soft spot for them as it was the early Prodge stuff that helped bridge me from industrial to techno. I agree with the too noisy bit though, maybe shoulda leaned off the distortion a bit more often. :) Had a listen to this today... .not really my cup-o-tea tbh [although I am a big fan of the prodg - more their earlier stuff tho] all a bit too noisy for my liking... whats the deal with the track that samples thriller btw ? sounded like a major cop-out to me :( To quote what someone said to me earlier today They should have let that keith bloke keep to his spaz dancing and not let him anywhere near a mic... it all went downhill from then made me chuckle anyway :P peace, marc
Re: (313) summer album
I just picked it up on Friday and I loved it, played it most of the weekend too! I think this sounded more like Nitzer Ebb than the last Nitzer Ebb album did. :) Hi, just got back from a three week holliday in southern spain and there was one cd which was really rocking my portable cd player and car stereo during these weeks. It was 'Between the devil...' from Fixmer/McCarthy..really hard, powerfull and full of energy..old skool in new kinda of way..really like this album! Anyone else heard it? back to work... Martijn
Re: (313) Bad Day
either of Timewriter's Deep Train mixes usually does it for me. Tell you what, I'm having a bad day - but D Wynn's - Souls In Motion mix is powering me through, top summer funk. What mix always cheers you up? Martin
Re: (313) for the house hedz.. an ID needed....
Best Kryten impression ever... :) smug mode on Works fine on a Mac smug mode off On 8 Jul 2004, at 14:13, Robert Taylor wrote: Not if you stick in the whole address, dummy ;) I dunno what it is - as if I was ever going to ID a tune that Placid didn't know! -Original Message- From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 12:10 PM To: placid; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) for the house hedz.. an ID needed That link calls up NTL's 'this page cannot be found' message Paul. k -Original Message- From: placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 1:06 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) for the house hedz.. an ID needed http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wjh2401/unknowntunes/ SR_6B11might%20be%20st hg%20on%20smack.mp3 any help.. Sounds like a mid 90's ny / Chicago house track. Poss kerry chandler, blak beat niks... Cheers p ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
Re: (313) planet e reissues
Heh, ask him when they're releasing the Sissy Deth Toy too, while you're at it. ;) Sounds interesting, I'll drop Ian @tDR a mail and see if he's done it - may give us a clue to the release date... 30/6/04 1:05 PM De Block, [EMAIL PROTECTED] it sure will be repressed - mark said it to me personally (last year, he said them at the designers republic were reportedly considering the designing of the package) luckily my wait for seven years was disrupted by fabrice lig who gave me a double copy of this i am still so very thankful for that, Fabrice ;) Mario Aidan O'Doherty schreef: does anyone here have any idea what other planet e rekkids are gonna be repressed? keeping my fingers crossed for the lofthouse double-pack, but that's unlikely. aidan
Re: (313) planet e reissues
They're still listed as coming soon at The People's Bureau, but hopefully they'll be out soon then! :) Oh yeah, ask him if he's hiring any new designers too, while you're at it. Ha ha! :) I think they have those - I did the side drawings for him last year! 30/6/04 12:50 PM John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heh, ask him when they're releasing the Sissy Deth Toy too, while you're at it. ;) Sounds interesting, I'll drop Ian @tDR a mail and see if he's done it - may give us a clue to the release date... 30/6/04 1:05 PM De Block, [EMAIL PROTECTED] it sure will be repressed - mark said it to me personally (last year, he said them at the designers republic were reportedly considering the designing of the package) luckily my wait for seven years was disrupted by fabrice lig who gave me a double copy of this i am still so very thankful for that, Fabrice ;) Mario Aidan O'Doherty schreef: does anyone here have any idea what other planet e rekkids are gonna be repressed? keeping my fingers crossed for the lofthouse double-pack, but that's unlikely. aidan
Re: (313) Friday Question and New Stuff
First on the list would probably be Mike Patton. Secondarily, maybe Richie Hawtin or, well... Martin Gore. Not to copy off your list or anything. :) Really, the answer would be everyone as I'm always interested in seeing how other people work, what their creative processes are, etc. I think there's an infinite number of ways to create music, and I want to experience as many of them as I can, though it's not going so well so far. :) john. If you could work with anyone, who would it be? I've always wanted to work with Martin Gore...How about you? Cheers Martin
Re: (313) Laptop performances
Just my personal preference here, but I don't really care what they're doing on stage or what tools they're using. All that matters to me is the music they create. It's about the ears and not the eyes. If the music isn't good then no amount of visual stimulation is going to change that. At that point, they should just change their name to Britney, hire a choreographer and move to a genre where appearance is valued over substance. Again, just my personal ideals here, no offense intended towards anyone. That said, I wouldn't be okay if someone just put a boombox up on stage, inserted a CD, pressed play, and then sat down and read a book while it played. I like to know that they're having at least *some* active influence over the sounds being created. :) john. So I've been having a bit of a discussion on a local messageboard about laptop performances. By and large, they're really BORING. It looks like people are checking their email. Or, if they're bopping along, it looks like they're checking important email but really need to go to the toilet. What's the solution? Name some laptop performances you've seen that were really good SHOWS. And say why they were. Is it really simply a case of having stellar visuals as well, or is there a whole new paradigm out there for this type of performance? I liked Kraftwerk's minimal-movement-black-suits-and-plinths affair, but that sorta ties in with their aesthetic, and I heard Aphex Twin did a show where he just lay on the floor and twiddled with the laptop - no effort at all. That appeals to me in a twisted way but is somewhat gimmicky. I personally wonder if laptop performances are more suited to more artistic interpretations - ie having a gig in an office, with extras sat at desks with PCs as well, and only one of them is the musician. Stuff like that.
Re: (313) Some Hot Tunes
Haven't been listening to very much new stuff lately. Matthew Dear's Leave Luck To Heaven, enjoying the latest Run Stop Restore 12, the new Skinny Puppy disc, and a lot of not even vaguely techno/313 related stuff. :) I have a roughly two-month stack of 12's that I bought and haven't had a chance to listen to, I'm wy behind. john. ok, what ru listening to at the moment?
Re: (313) Laptop performances
I was only speaking of my personal preference, which I suspect is quite different from the average person. But I can only speak for myself, not anyone else. I, personally, don't care about the visuals. Others do, that's their preference. I don't mind if there's something interesting visually going on, some bands excel at that (Skinny Puppy Tool spring to mind,) but I don't miss it if it's not there (so long as the music is good.) john. I hear what you are saying about MUSIC having the priority. In an ideal world, maybe it would be that way. BUT BUT BUT: The average person is more visually-oriented, I think you really have to sell a lot of people with the visual presentation in order to get them to have a closer listen. That is just the nature of performing, the average person does relate to things as much with their eyes as their ears. A pleasing visual aspect can really help more people understand what you are doing musically and win a broader audience, and it by no means needs to be cheesy or Britney choreography. Unless you think that this music is only for the elite who don't need visual cues, of course. ~David -- Original Message - Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:01:51 -0400 (EDT) From: John Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Just my personal preference here, but I don't really care what they're doing on stage or what tools they're using. All that matters to me is the music they create. It's about the ears and not the eyes. If the music isn't good then no amount of visual stimulation is going to change that. At that point, they should just change their name to Britney, hire a choreographer and move to a genre where appearance is valued over substance. Again, just my personal ideals here, no offense intended towards anyone. That said, I wouldn't be okay if someone just put a boombox up on stage, inserted a CD, pressed play, and then sat down and read a book while it played. I like to know that they're having at least *some* active influence over the sounds being created. :) john. So I've been having a bit of a discussion on a local messageboard about laptop performances. By and large, they're really BORING. It looks like people are checking their email. Or, if they're bopping along, it looks like they're checking important email but really need to go to the toilet. What's the solution? Name some laptop performances you've seen that were really good SHOWS. And say why they were. Is it really simply a case of having stellar visuals as well, or is there a whole new paradigm out there for this type of performance? I liked Kraftwerk's minimal-movement-black-suits-and-plinths affair, but that sorta ties in with their aesthetic, and I heard Aphex Twin did a show where he just lay on the floor and twiddled with the laptop - no effort at all. That appeals to me in a twisted way but is somewhat gimmicky. I personally wonder if laptop performances are more suited to more artistic interpretations - ie having a gig in an office, with extras sat at desks with PCs as well, and only one of them is the musician. Stuff like that.
RE: (313) Laptop performances
If all the artist is doing is a note-for-note, measure-for-measure, tweak-for-tweak replication of their recorded material, then yeah, there's really little point. I personally hope for (expect?) the performer to transform things a bit live and expand upon the recorded material. Therein lies the joy, for me. Knowing that what I'm hearing is something (at least a little) unique. The people at the last show didn't hear this, and the people at the next show won't either. It's an individual and unique snapshot of where they were (physically and mentally) that night. john. I do agree with your sentiment but the reality of it just doesn't add up... What is the point of doing it live, if there is nothing to look at, when u can save yourself a load of bother and just stick on a cd-r u burned the night before and stand behind the decksmy $0,02 Placid www.acid-house.com -Original Message- From: Neil Wiernik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 June 2004 17:42 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances that is exactly what makes a live show BORING - a recipes, nothing worse then a cookie cutter live artists, electronic or other wise... like I said befor if the music is good and can stand on its own there is no need for gimmicks, showmanship, videos or any thing as that stuff just takes away from how good your music really is... On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Dennis DeSantis wrote: Im acctually very surprised you would even half joke about what you said... what is this live pa in a box? No, I just meant that, for whatever reason, those sorts of stage presence recipes seem to have a kind of universal appeal for club crowds. It's sort of the 21st Century version of the Pete Townsend guitar pinwheel or the spinning drumsticks. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com -- [neil adam wiernik aka naw] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [music available on] http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com http://www.pieheadrecords.com http://www.worthyrecords.com http://www.complot.ca [artist features] http://www.clevermusic.net http://www.newmusiccanada.com http://www.cognitionaudioworks.com --
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
Ditto for me. I was a close-minded metalhead as a teenager until someone played me Skinny Puppy's Cleanse Fold Manipulate. Changed everything, I loved dark, angry music at the time (teen angst and all) and industrial showed me that a synth, a sampler and a drum machine could be every bit as dark (and more so) as Slayer or any of their ilk. Industrial gave me a bridge from metal over to harder techno and the harder techno stuff prepared me for the day someone played me Plastikman. :) john. headhunter is another dancefloor killer. you cant go wrong with those types of industrial tunes man. i guess not too many of you guys were down with that, but thats the music that made me realise that synths and drum machines were my friends. tom
Re: (313) Re: *** Spam? *** RE: (313) stuff
wax is for anthrax. still it can rock bells. no checking for anthrax i swear- the postal service got slower after that stuff went down.
Re: (313) you listen to techno but?
Skinny Puppy, Last Rights. Track 3, Knowhwere? placed on perpetual loop. Clears things out usually before even one repeat. :) Heh, the Danielle Dax tracks actually sounds intriguing. I may have to track them down and give a listen. john. Most at LD Towers don't share my love of things like TG/Whitehouse, but what CD do you use to clear the room? I use one by Danielle Dax - 4 tracks of music made from squeaky toys - works every time. Martin PS: Ramon - I am root, you must obey!
Re: (313) you listen to techno?
Techno? You mean like that Moby guy? I like that song he did with Gwen Stefani! grr. click... boom! yes -- almost identical situation out here in Eden Prairie, a suburb of Minneapolis. just this morning I was forced to give the Paul Oakenfold and Fatboy Slim are NOT techno speech to a hapless co-worker... - jobot
Re: (313) my personal experience at movement
Someday you will drive your Sony to the Sony to pick up some more Sony. And marklar your marklar with a marklar.
Re: (313) OT: Items for Sale
While I'm at it I'm also selling a Silver 1988 Porsche 928 with 95,000 miles: Is it MIDI compatible? No, but it does have cv/gate, so you can just get a converter. john.
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
Saying you're from Detroit just keeps conversations conceptually simple, rather than having to get into some big spiel about where this particular suburb lies Makes sense to me, when people ask where I'm from I just say Cleveland to keep it simple. What really determines where someone is actually from anyway? Technically, the hospital I was born in is in Fairview Park, though we lived in Cleveland proper at the time, and continued to do so until I was 8 or 9. Then I spent another 8 or 9 years in North Olmsted, then a bunch more in Columbia Station, now I live in Berea. Where am I from? None of those cities (all suburbs of Cleveland, BTW) will likely mean anything to someone who isn't familiar with the area. So, I'm from Cleveland. Why be pedantic and potentially cause needless confusion? john.
Re: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc
[sarcasm]Well, I know *I* feel much safer now...[/sarcasm] i just spoke with her agent. ALL US dates are cancelled. Thank your friendly neighborhood customs agent
RE: AW: (313) no (ellen) alliens in nyc
Security at Federal buildings is equally inconsistent. I'm a contractor with the DoD right now, and the other day I got stopped and questioned on the way in from lunch because there was a fork in my lunch bag. The same fork I strolled right through security with on the way in that morning. I guess forks are a major potential security risk. I know if I were to attack a large federal building my first choice of tools would be a fork. :) john. The moral of the story is that it's all smoke and mirrors. The stern glances from the ex-janitors running border security are supposed to make you feel like It's All Under Control. None of these people have a clue what's going on, which is why seemingly arbitrary decisions like the situation with Ellen are commonplace in The New America. [Ken Odeluga] Oh well, at least it makes you feel reassured that no terrorist will ever be able to penetrate the United States through the inland borders. k
RE: (313) Ministry was Re: (313) Playlist WNUR Chicago - 7 May 2004 - download it
JBMH was actually on Psalm 69. Good track. Even better was the sequel The Butthole Surfers did, Some Dispute Over T-Shirt Sales :) john. i'm quite certain Jesus BMH was after Psalm 69. Not that you shouldn't like it... On Fri, 14 May 2004, Robert Taylor wrote: Well said yussel - Psalm 69 was a disappointment to me - too conventional for me. The last thing I liked of theirs was Jesus Built My Hotrod
Re: (313) Ministry was Re: (313) Playlist WNUR Chicago - 7 May 2004 - download it
part 1 Matt MacQueen J.E.N. - Keep On Dreaming - Re-Edit MANIA ! (Freestyle) Arthur Russell - You And Me Both - Calling Out of Context (Audika) Ministry - Work For Love [Dub Version] (Arista) 1982 i had no idea that early ministry sounded like thisvery interesting (it's the same ministry that did 'land of rape and honey' and 'jesus built my hotrod') robin... There was just that one album on Arista (With Sympathy) that was (more or less) synth-pop. He blames the label for forcing him into a style he didn't want, and completely disavows that album now. Other than that, the rest of the stuff he did around that time was more industrial (though still not nearly as abrasive and guitar-oriented as the later stuff.) john.
RE: (313) Ministry was Re: (313) Playlist WNUR Chicago - 7 May 2004 - download it
Every Day (Is Halloween) is still one of my favorties, faux accent and all. :) john. Some of there early records are wicked, I personally like the 12 All Day. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 May 2004 15:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ministry was Re: (313) Playlist WNUR Chicago - 7 May 2004 - download it not the 1000 homo dj's release? (i know it isn't i just like the name of that project) :) robin... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: between you and me, there's another Ministry hottie too. but I'll leave you to find that one out for yourselves. ; ) Alex
Re: (313) OT: Best Gear Marketing, ever
Ha ha! I don't think they laid it on quite thick enough. :) It sucks. It hates you. It ruins your property values and causes your condominium association's attorney to send you unfriendly letters. It keys your nice new Lexus LS. It will cause your mama to slap you into next week. Your friends will disown you when they hear your old Culture Club albums through it. It even makes Boy George sound like Throbbing Gristle. http://www.metasonix.com/TX1.htm -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) akufen question
there's a pretty good interview with him on Ableton's website: http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=artistssub=akufen other than that i rarely see much about him. john.
Re: (313) the future
I think it's just techno reflecting the larger world of popular culture right now. Retro is hip now, and the next big thing is whatever was the big thing twenty years previous. Pop has eaten itself. As for why, I think with techno-or, for that matter, any smaller sub-culture-it's inevitable for the larger trends to seep down into them. Someone can plead ignorance of popular culture, that they're too hip to be affected by what's hip, but the larger cultural themes tend to be so pervasive they're impossible to avoid. As for why retro is hip in the larger realm, I think that's just because it's cheaper and faster (for the handful of companies that control popular culture right now) to re-cycle old ideas than to try and come up with any new ones. Less percieved risk, as well. Stick with that worked in the past rather than something new and un-tested. whatever happened to the future? did it become an outdated concept? as I sat watching Matthew Herbert and his bag of crisps band last night, I realised I was watching a 50 year old (at least) show. then, I thought, all the bands I've seen lately have harked to the past, really heavily. All the records I buy are obsessed with the past, or are old. even techno isn't futuristic any more. Jeff Mills scores films from the '20's, Red Planet titles are all about native american indian issues, instead of sex in zero gravity or journey to the martian polar cap.. There's no time, space, transmat business anymore. I mean, even the word transmat was made up wasn't it? No one does that any more, there's no dreamers left, just flippin' historians. so why? is it too scary to contemplate any more?
Re: (313) the future
Criteria for newness are pretty dependent on what your know, right? In every undergraduate composition class in the US, right now, there's a kid writing a piece using harmony based on perfect 4ths. Not only does that kid think it's the most beautiful thing he's ever heard, he also thinks he's breaking new ground. My personal belief is that any artist can only be as original as their infulences are obscure. Can't recall who originally said it, but I agree with it. I could hack out some blatant Plastikman rip-off, and play it for my Grandmother (or the average Britney fan, I imagine) and she'd think it was quite original, as she's never heard anything like that before. She wouldn't like it, but she'd at least think it was really inventive. If I played that same track for all you guys though... heh, you'd probably all tell me to get off Richie's jock and come up with my own ideas. :)
RE: (313) 909s
I also find programming beats into the 909 to be very natural and easy. I find there's just an intuitiveness and quickness to it, I just slap the 909 into step mode, hit play, and start entering in patterns. It just *feels* right. :) I can do the same thing with other drum machines (the Machinedrum, for example) but not of the other ones i've used have that same tactile feel to them. Back to it just feeling right. yeah, looping works. it took me about ten years to get with the whole resample program im a lazy bum, but it works like crazy. Do a tune, sample the different tracks and multiply your gear. The downside is you still need a real 909 to create the loops
RE: (313) 909s
i wont lie, sitting down and playing a 909 is almost as fun as playing a real drum set. but really what it came down to for me was that i didnt want to sound just like other people, so i sold it. true, a 909 sounds like a 909. not a huge variety of sounds there, though I love those sounds! i suppose the solution would be to unplug the audio and just use the 909 as a pattern sequencer. trigger sounds from a sampler or other drum machine or whatever off of the 909's MIDI out. you still have that 909 interface and it's nice swing, but with all-new sounds. :)
Re: (313) Stuff for your Ears...
Or you can go here: http://home.hccnet.nl/h.edskes/finalbuilds.htm and download Real Alternative 1.22 and cut Real out of the equation altogether. :) john (oh, btw... hi, i'm new!) ooh Jack-01 and bloody RealAudio files again. I'll quit my winging tho cos of the bbc http://apalmer.typepad.com/alans_blog/2004/02/how_to_get_spyw.html :) robin...
