Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
- Original Message - From: matrix313 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wasnt Malcolm X called Detroit Red in his younger days, even though he was from Lansing, Michigan? Lansing Red somehow just doesnt carry the same weight nor street appeal :^) but Lansing is a LONG way from Detroit. must have something to do with the fact that Detroit is the only major metropolis in the state of Michigan and the only city others around the country (or world) know by name in this state. when i chat with folks on soulseek i tell them i'm from lansing, mi. an hour northwest of detroit. now i guess i can just say detroit, since i started moving my belonging to hamtramck last weekend, yea i know its not detroit. malcolm also live in mason mi. after his father was murdered. which i think has more to do with the detroit red tag, he hated lansing. but then lansing like flint have something incomon with detroit, the automotive industry. so in that since they are one with GM. scotto lansing, mi. --- hamtown slsk: plaztikjezuz
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
yeah I even know a certain toronto dj who does this so that all the flyers for this djs gigs in europe says detroit and this dj isnt even american, this djs only connection to detroit is that they lived in windsor for a year. I dont know thats like me saying Im from san fransico because I lived there for a while, or thats like saying Im on context records becasue Im friends with some of them. know what I mean? On Mon, 24 May 2004, Dennis DeSantis wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it should read John Doe grew up in the Suburbs of Detroit in Ann Arbor. But they just don't. There's a huge precedent for this. I don't know why it is, but the area casually called Detroit extends much farther than comparable metro areas in other parts of the country. It's just the way it is, and it has nothing to do with cashing in on the Detroit appeal. My grandma would say it too (although she's actually from Detroit ;) -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com -- [neil adam wiernik aka naw] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [music available on] http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com http://www.pieheadrecords.com http://www.worthyrecords.com http://www.complot.ca [artist features] http://www.clevermusic.net http://www.newmusiccanada.com http://www.cognitionaudioworks.com --
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
oh yeah, well Im straight outta compton :p -Joe - Original Message - From: kj at technotourist dot org [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FC2 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker) But just to be save in the future i tell people that i grew up in exactly 52n25 6e38. Now with longitude and latitude added i can't go wrong anymore :) KJ --- Forty-two! yelled Loonquawl. Is that all you've got to show for seven and a half million years' work? I checked it very thoroughly, said the computer, and that quite definitely is the answer. I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is. On 24-mei-04, at 21:34, FC2 Richards wrote: Hey everyone... Go to the Detroit Free Press website and look at the classified ads for buying a house. The metro-Detroit map goes as far north as Flint, as far west as Ann Arbour, as far South as the Ohio border, and as far east as...well, you know. I am from Flint and tell people that I am from Detroit, because that is the largest commonly known land mark. I know damn well that I am not from Detroit. Oh, and anyone who listens to Detroit radio growing up can lay claim to what Tim Baker is laying claim to. He is from Detroit. No I'm not friends with Tim Baker, I just own one of his records... Peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 4:41 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker) Let's back up for a minute. houseman04: Did you grow up in Southeastern Michigan? You mentioned that you work in A2, but are you originally from the area? I can understand that, if you're not from the area, you could see this as a potentially divisive and confusing issue. But it's really very common for anyone from basically east of Jackson to the lake (not to mention north of Toledo to basically...well, the lake) to refer to themselves as from Detroit. It's not meant to be deceiving. It's just that the so-called metro Detroit area really is thought of as that - satellites around Detroit. And the area in question is REALLY large. When people ask me where I'm from, I tell them Detroit. (I was born in Warren and grew up in Sterling Heights.) If they then make it clear that they're actually familiar with the area, I go into suburbs-level detail. 2 more cents, -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
aw, i was looking forward to a discussion regarding the digital distribution topic and you keep ranting about districts :) on a sidenote, not everybody knows that jackson, mason, ann arbor or whatever are even close to detroit. the important thing is giving people who aren't firm with detroit and its surrounding (be my guest :) a rough idea where you're from. i'd understand if you rant about me writing i'd come from detroit (*cough*) but hey, those few miles more or less you guys deal with aren't really worth getting upset, right? ronny
RE: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
that means I come from the bromley croydon south london essex counties area :) -Original Message- From: Neil Wiernik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 25/05/2004 03:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker) yeah I even know a certain toronto dj who does this so that all the flyers for this djs gigs in europe says detroit and this dj isnt even american, this djs only connection to detroit is that they lived in windsor for a year. I dont know thats like me saying Im from san fransico because I lived there for a while, or thats like saying Im on context records becasue Im friends with some of them. know what I mean? On Mon, 24 May 2004, Dennis DeSantis wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it should read John Doe grew up in the Suburbs of Detroit in Ann Arbor. But they just don't. There's a huge precedent for this. I don't know why it is, but the area casually called Detroit extends much farther than comparable metro areas in other parts of the country. It's just the way it is, and it has nothing to do with cashing in on the Detroit appeal. My grandma would say it too (although she's actually from Detroit ;) -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com -- [neil adam wiernik aka naw] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [music available on] http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com http://www.pieheadrecords.com http://www.worthyrecords.com http://www.complot.ca [artist features] http://www.clevermusic.net http://www.newmusiccanada.com http://www.cognitionaudioworks.com --
(313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
I was on the Tim Baker website the other day and it says he grew up in Detroit. Now that is not true. I work in Ann Arbor, an I work with someone who went to middle school and high school with him. At first I didn't believe him until they just showed me yearbook pictures from his middle school (scarllet) and High School (Ann Arbor Huron class of 85) Pictures. Detroit and Ann Arbor are two different cites socially and geographic why do people lie just to say the are from Detroit?
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was on the Tim Baker website the other day and it says he grew up in Detroit. Now that is not true. I work in Ann Arbor, an I work with someone who went to middle school and high school with him. At first I didn't believe him until they just showed me yearbook pictures from his middle school (scarllet) and High School (Ann Arbor Huron class of 85) Pictures. Detroit and Ann Arbor are two different cites socially and geographic why do people lie just to say the are from Detroit? I'm not taking sides on this, but I think it probably has something to do with the fact that lots of people have heard of Detroit, while fewer have heard of the other cities around it. Saying you're from Detroit just keeps conversations conceptually simple, rather than having to get into some big spiel about where this particular suburb lies (yeah, I know, A2 is probably too far from Detroit to be considered a suburb, but you get my point.) If you ask some kid at Tresor where Derrick May is from, you're going to hear Detroit. It's just easier to conceptualize. My $.02, -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
RE: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
How petty are you? If you grew up in Michigan you would know that Ann Arbor is considered Metro Detroit. Derrick, Kevin and Juan are from Belleville and I don't see anybody questioning them. I grew up in the Detroit music scene and that all that matters to me!! tb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:17 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker) I was on the Tim Baker website the other day and it says he grew up in Detroit. Now that is not true. I work in Ann Arbor, an I work with someone who went to middle school and high school with him. At first I didn't believe him until they just showed me yearbook pictures from his middle school (scarllet) and High School (Ann Arbor Huron class of 85) Pictures. Detroit and Ann Arbor are two different cites socially and geographic why do people lie just to say the are from Detroit?
RE: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
The detroit music scene spread throughout the entire metro detroit area, Most of us college kids from the Ypsilanti/Ann Arbor area would come back to Detroit to party, But I can tell you for a fact that the overall support from the music community was not present in Detroit. I am from Detroit and I know that each time I came home for the weekend/summer the people in my neighborhood wanted me to turn off my tapes they didn't want to hear the music. It's not a matter of Where Tim Baker is from, but the spirit by which he produces. So it's ok with me if he says Detroit, because he is not just a new kid on the block, he been around for a long time. Tim Steward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 12:17 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker) I was on the Tim Baker website the other day and it says he grew up in Detroit. Now that is not true. I work in Ann Arbor, an I work with someone who went to middle school and high school with him. At first I didn't believe him until they just showed me yearbook pictures from his middle school (scarllet) and High School (Ann Arbor Huron class of 85) Pictures. Detroit and Ann Arbor are two different cites socially and geographic why do people lie just to say the are from Detroit? The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
Let's back up for a minute. houseman04: Did you grow up in Southeastern Michigan? You mentioned that you work in A2, but are you originally from the area? I can understand that, if you're not from the area, you could see this as a potentially divisive and confusing issue. But it's really very common for anyone from basically east of Jackson to the lake (not to mention north of Toledo to basically...well, the lake) to refer to themselves as from Detroit. It's not meant to be deceiving. It's just that the so-called metro Detroit area really is thought of as that - satellites around Detroit. And the area in question is REALLY large. When people ask me where I'm from, I tell them Detroit. (I was born in Warren and grew up in Sterling Heights.) If they then make it clear that they're actually familiar with the area, I go into suburbs-level detail. 2 more cents, -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
Well, people who grew up in NY say I grew up in Bronx, Harlem etc. So it should read John Doe grew up in the Suburbs of Detroit in Ann Arbor. The Ann Arbor community is very Socially and economically different than the city of Detroit. So a person growing up in Ann Arbor is going to have a totally different life experiences than one growing up in the city of Detroit in the 80s an 90's. I remember when people from Ann Arbor wouldn't dare to go to Detroit for anything but a tigers game. Now the go for hockey, clubs, casinos and more. Let's back up for a minute. houseman04: Did you grow up in Southeastern Michigan? You mentioned that you work in A2, but are you originally from the area? I can understand that, if you're not from the area, you could see this as a potentially divisive and confusing issue. But it's really very common for anyone from basically east of Jackson to the lake (not to mention north of Toledo to basically...well, the lake) to refer to themselves as from Detroit. It's not meant to be deceiving. It's just that the so-called metro Detroit area really is thought of as that - satellites around Detroit. And the area in question is REALLY large. When people ask me where I'm from, I tell them Detroit. (I was born in Warren and grew up in Sterling Heights.) If they then make it clear that they're actually familiar with the area, I go into suburbs-level detail. 2 more cents, -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it should read John Doe grew up in the Suburbs of Detroit in Ann Arbor. But they just don't. There's a huge precedent for this. I don't know why it is, but the area casually called Detroit extends much farther than comparable metro areas in other parts of the country. It's just the way it is, and it has nothing to do with cashing in on the Detroit appeal. My grandma would say it too (although she's actually from Detroit ;) -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
Saying you're from Detroit just keeps conversations conceptually simple, rather than having to get into some big spiel about where this particular suburb lies Makes sense to me, when people ask where I'm from I just say Cleveland to keep it simple. What really determines where someone is actually from anyway? Technically, the hospital I was born in is in Fairview Park, though we lived in Cleveland proper at the time, and continued to do so until I was 8 or 9. Then I spent another 8 or 9 years in North Olmsted, then a bunch more in Columbia Station, now I live in Berea. Where am I from? None of those cities (all suburbs of Cleveland, BTW) will likely mean anything to someone who isn't familiar with the area. So, I'm from Cleveland. Why be pedantic and potentially cause needless confusion? john.
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
on 5/24/04 1:26 PM, Dennis DeSantis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it should read John Doe grew up in the Suburbs of Detroit in Ann Arbor. But they just don't. There's a huge precedent for this. I don't know why it is, but the area casually called Detroit extends much farther than comparable metro areas in other parts of the country. It's just the way it is, and it has nothing to do with cashing in on the Detroit appeal. My grandma would say it too (although she's actually from Detroit ;) wasnt Malcolm X called Detroit Red in his younger days, even though he was from Lansing, Michigan? Lansing Red somehow just doesnt carry the same weight nor street appeal :^) but Lansing is a LONG way from Detroit. must have something to do with the fact that Detroit is the only major metropolis in the state of Michigan and the only city others around the country (or world) know by name in this state.
Re: Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
I have to second this notion. I was born in Saginaw, MI, Moved to Detroit at the age of 13, moved back and forth between Detroit, Ypsilanti, Ann Arbor, Southfield, and Sterling Heights after High School. I now live in Phoenix, AZ. When people ask me wher I'm from, I say Detroit. Metro Detroit goes as far north as Auburn Hills, as far west as Ann Arbor, and as far east as St. Clair Shores (or farther). Some folks view Windsor, Ont as a suburb of Detroit as well. It's all Metro Detroit. Living in Troy and saying you're from Detroit is perfectly acceptable as far as I'm concerned 'cause you're in the Metro area. It's like saying the Belleville 3 are lying about being from tha D seeing as how Belleville is closer to Ann Arbor than it is to Detroit. From: Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/05/24 Mon PM 01:26:08 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it should read John Doe grew up in the Suburbs of Detroit in Ann Arbor. But they just don't. There's a huge precedent for this. I don't know why it is, but the area casually called Detroit extends much farther than comparable metro areas in other parts of the country. It's just the way it is, and it has nothing to do with cashing in on the Detroit appeal. My grandma would say it too (although she's actually from Detroit ;) -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
RE: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
Hey everyone... Go to the Detroit Free Press website and look at the classified ads for buying a house. The metro-Detroit map goes as far north as Flint, as far west as Ann Arbour, as far South as the Ohio border, and as far east as...well, you know. I am from Flint and tell people that I am from Detroit, because that is the largest commonly known land mark. I know damn well that I am not from Detroit. Oh, and anyone who listens to Detroit radio growing up can lay claim to what Tim Baker is laying claim to. He is from Detroit. No I'm not friends with Tim Baker, I just own one of his records... Peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 4:41 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker) Let's back up for a minute. houseman04: Did you grow up in Southeastern Michigan? You mentioned that you work in A2, but are you originally from the area? I can understand that, if you're not from the area, you could see this as a potentially divisive and confusing issue. But it's really very common for anyone from basically east of Jackson to the lake (not to mention north of Toledo to basically...well, the lake) to refer to themselves as from Detroit. It's not meant to be deceiving. It's just that the so-called metro Detroit area really is thought of as that - satellites around Detroit. And the area in question is REALLY large. When people ask me where I'm from, I tell them Detroit. (I was born in Warren and grew up in Sterling Heights.) If they then make it clear that they're actually familiar with the area, I go into suburbs-level detail. 2 more cents, -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
yeah, i grew up in jackson (ok, brooklyn to be precise) and toledo and whenever i'm dealing with people from outside the area i usually just say detroit or the detroit area. it's just a handy, well-known reference point, not an attempt to decieve people. Quoting Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Let's back up for a minute. houseman04: Did you grow up in Southeastern Michigan? You mentioned that you work in A2, but are you originally from the area? I can understand that, if you're not from the area, you could see this as a potentially divisive and confusing issue. But it's really very common for anyone from basically east of Jackson to the lake (not to mention north of Toledo to basically...well, the lake) to refer to themselves as from Detroit. It's not meant to be deceiving. It's just that the so-called metro Detroit area really is thought of as that - satellites around Detroit. And the area in question is REALLY large. When people ask me where I'm from, I tell them Detroit. (I was born in Warren and grew up in Sterling Heights.) If they then make it clear that they're actually familiar with the area, I go into suburbs-level detail. 2 more cents, -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker)
But just to be save in the future i tell people that i grew up in exactly 52n25 6e38. Now with longitude and latitude added i can't go wrong anymore :) KJ --- Forty-two! yelled Loonquawl. Is that all you've got to show for seven and a half million years' work? I checked it very thoroughly, said the computer, and that quite definitely is the answer. I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is. On 24-mei-04, at 21:34, FC2 Richards wrote: Hey everyone... Go to the Detroit Free Press website and look at the classified ads for buying a house. The metro-Detroit map goes as far north as Flint, as far west as Ann Arbour, as far South as the Ohio border, and as far east as...well, you know. I am from Flint and tell people that I am from Detroit, because that is the largest commonly known land mark. I know damn well that I am not from Detroit. Oh, and anyone who listens to Detroit radio growing up can lay claim to what Tim Baker is laying claim to. He is from Detroit. No I'm not friends with Tim Baker, I just own one of his records... Peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 4:41 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker) Let's back up for a minute. houseman04: Did you grow up in Southeastern Michigan? You mentioned that you work in A2, but are you originally from the area? I can understand that, if you're not from the area, you could see this as a potentially divisive and confusing issue. But it's really very common for anyone from basically east of Jackson to the lake (not to mention north of Toledo to basically...well, the lake) to refer to themselves as from Detroit. It's not meant to be deceiving. It's just that the so-called metro Detroit area really is thought of as that - satellites around Detroit. And the area in question is REALLY large. When people ask me where I'm from, I tell them Detroit. (I was born in Warren and grew up in Sterling Heights.) If they then make it clear that they're actually familiar with the area, I go into suburbs-level detail. 2 more cents, -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
