Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
jurren baars wrote: Michael.Elliot-Knight wrote: i think i can safely say that of those $2000 exactly $0.00 goes to the artists. why? Because they expressly said so. http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/08/riaa/ Asked if any of the potential settlements would go back to artists, Sherman said it wouldn't. Instead, the money will go back into the RIAA's copyright enforcement efforts. There you go.
Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
I'm so glad we have the RIAA looking out for artists' welfare... how many artists you suppose are on welfare right now anyway? MEK Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org rg cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA [EMAIL PROTECTED] g 09/11/03 08:15 PM jurren baars wrote: Michael.Elliot-Knight wrote: i think i can safely say that of those $2000 exactly $0.00 goes to the artists. why? Because they expressly said so. http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/08/riaa/ Asked if any of the potential settlements would go back to artists, Sherman said it wouldn't. Instead, the money will go back into the RIAA's copyright enforcement efforts. There you go.
Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
that may be true - but this doesn't really effect you does it? what proportion of the music you buy is aligned with major record labels? it worries me when people use the rationalisation that it's only hurting snr. executives from major record labels when they download music off p2p programs and then they go and download detroit stuff or other stuff which major record labels have no rights vested within. Music from composers they claim to support but then go and download free of charge? one thing that's strikingly clear - no matter where the music is from, and no matter how much it would normally cost - you can't compete with free. actually it does...the house is collapsing on me as well, however, since i (the independent) am struggling to move just a few units anyway, what difference does it make...actually makes the struggle worth it because it deflates the blow up dolls... on another level, there used to be an inkling of subversiveness, and idealism behind supporting scenes, generes, or subculcutures such as detroit techno, so it appears to me that now is the time to put our money where our mouths are if there is some substance to this movement or was it all just bs so we could feel good about wanton consumerism...if this is a movement where is the mobilization...now would be the time to do something right?
RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
I don't think this is correct. Most heads enjoy owning our favorite music in some form, often vinyl for many collectors. I personally download tons of music. I also am a vinyl junkie. I'm not that fond of ordering over the internet. This means, most of what I download, I can't find in my local (Chicago) record store. When I happen to download something I really like, and find it locally, I will usually buy it on sight. If I didn't download music, I would still buy the same amount of music. There is just so much music out there. However, my music buying choices would be less informed. There are artists I would not have discovered without downloading. I might even buy less, just because I had less of an idea what might suit my tastes and where to look for it. I do try to avoid buying from major labels on purpose, so I mostly don't buy CDs and download most of that type of thing. I especially don't like paying inflated prices to a major label for anything from an artist who is dead. I might buy a used/rare vinyl at a local store of course, but that doesn't go to the record company. You can compete with free by offering a superior, reasonably priced, and legitimate product. For me personally, I also want to buy a product that doesn't support a corporate agenda that is totally counter to my interests as a musician/composer, and also my interests as a citizen. -David -Original Message- From: Rc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:37 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA that may be true - but this doesn't really effect you does it? what proportion of the music you buy is aligned with major record labels? it worries me when people use the rationalisation that it's only hurting snr. executives from major record labels when they download music off p2p programs and then they go and download detroit stuff or other stuff which major record labels have no rights vested within. Music from composers they claim to support but then go and download free of charge? one thing that's strikingly clear - no matter where the music is from, and no matter how much it would normally cost - you can't compete with free. on 11/9/03 8:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm not sure what to think of all this. well, let's see...the recording industry has flooded the maketplace with sh!t which, in reality has no value, overcharged people for it, switched to a digital format so that they could screw the craftspeople (not artists) who make this stuff...so people decided not to pay for it and are now they are drowning in it and want to extort a life-jacket from you (the consumer)... i think it's great! b
RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
Im totally down with this - I download a fair amount, but if its stuff I like I'll go buy it [99.9% of the time on vinyl] otherwise it justs gets deleted from my hd. I also like to keep hold of mp3s of stuff I buy on vinyl so I can listen on my mp3 player without always having to encode myself or do a mix with those tunes in. I think the amount I spend on music has increased on avg due to the huge exposure I get to new material I wouldnt normally get to hear etc. The other thign I really like is the ability to download mp3s of live sets that you cant buy in the shops. I wouldn't say Im not supporting the artists though - I have for example some Jeff Mills live mp3 mixes sitting on my player and although on the surface Jeff doesn't benefit from this financially I always make the effort to go see him play out and like most folk on this list I own a large proportion of the axis/purpose maker catalogue :) /2pence :D marc -Original Message- From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:28 AM To: 'Rc'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA I don't think this is correct. Most heads enjoy owning our favorite music in some form, often vinyl for many collectors. I personally download tons of music. I also am a vinyl junkie. I'm not that fond of ordering over the internet. This means, most of what I download, I can't find in my local (Chicago) record store. When I happen to download something I really like, and find it locally, I will usually buy it on sight. If I didn't download music, I would still buy the same amount of music. There is just so much music out there. However, my music buying choices would be less informed. There are artists I would not have discovered without downloading. I might even buy less, just because I had less of an idea what might suit my tastes and where to look for it. I do try to avoid buying from major labels on purpose, so I mostly don't buy CDs and download most of that type of thing. I especially don't like paying inflated prices to a major label for anything from an artist who is dead. I might buy a used/rare vinyl at a local store of course, but that doesn't go to the record company. You can compete with free by offering a superior, reasonably priced, and legitimate product. For me personally, I also want to buy a product that doesn't support a corporate agenda that is totally counter to my interests as a musician/composer, and also my interests as a citizen. -David -Original Message- From: Rc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:37 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA that may be true - but this doesn't really effect you does it? what proportion of the music you buy is aligned with major record labels? it worries me when people use the rationalisation that it's only hurting snr. executives from major record labels when they download music off p2p programs and then they go and download detroit stuff or other stuff which major record labels have no rights vested within. Music from composers they claim to support but then go and download free of charge? one thing that's strikingly clear - no matter where the music is from, and no matter how much it would normally cost - you can't compete with free. on 11/9/03 8:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm not sure what to think of all this. well, let's see...the recording industry has flooded the maketplace with sh!t which, in reality has no value, overcharged people for it, switched to a digital format so that they could screw the craftspeople (not artists) who make this stuff...so people decided not to pay for it and are now they are drowning in it and want to extort a life-jacket from you (the consumer)... i think it's great! b -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
Re: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
I strongly agree with the ideas expressed by marc and david. In fact, I would go so far as to say that there must be some independent labels that have benefited greatly as a result of increased file sharing. I can name a number of labels and artists that i have been turned on to due to the trading of their material in digital format. -funky chocolate -ann aimee -psychostasia -music is -rick wade -newworldaquarium -headspace -moodsgrooves Because of my exposure to these producers and labels, I avidly hunt down all vinyl releases that I can get my hands on. Just ask my wife... she thinks i'm nuts. :- ) cheers, lrh From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/11 Thu AM 07:06:47 EDT To: 'David Powers' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Rc' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA Im totally down with this - I download a fair amount, but if its stuff I like I'll go buy it [99.9% of the time on vinyl] otherwise it justs gets deleted from my hd. I also like to keep hold of mp3s of stuff I buy on vinyl so I can listen on my mp3 player without always having to encode myself or do a mix with those tunes in. I think the amount I spend on music has increased on avg due to the huge exposure I get to new material I wouldnt normally get to hear etc. The other thign I really like is the ability to download mp3s of live sets that you cant buy in the shops. I wouldn't say Im not supporting the artists though - I have for example some Jeff Mills live mp3 mixes sitting on my player and although on the surface Jeff doesn't benefit from this financially I always make the effort to go see him play out and like most folk on this list I own a large proportion of the axis/purpose maker catalogue :) /2pence :D marc -Original Message- From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:28 AM To: 'Rc'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA I don't think this is correct. Most heads enjoy owning our favorite music in some form, often vinyl for many collectors. I personally download tons of music. I also am a vinyl junkie. I'm not that fond of ordering over the internet. This means, most of what I download, I can't find in my local (Chicago) record store. When I happen to download something I really like, and find it locally, I will usually buy it on sight. If I didn't download music, I would still buy the same amount of music. There is just so much music out there. However, my music buying choices would be less informed. There are artists I would not have discovered without downloading. I might even buy less, just because I had less of an idea what might suit my tastes and where to look for it. I do try to avoid buying from major labels on purpose, so I mostly don't buy CDs and download most of that type of thing. I especially don't like paying inflated prices to a major label for anything from an artist who is dead. I might buy a used/rare vinyl at a local store of course, but that doesn't go to the record company. You can compete with free by offering a superior, reasonably priced, and legitimate product. For me personally, I also want to buy a product that doesn't support a corporate agenda that is totally counter to my interests as a musician/composer, and also my interests as a citizen. -David -Original Message- From: Rc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:37 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA that may be true - but this doesn't really effect you does it? what proportion of the music you buy is aligned with major record labels? it worries me when people use the rationalisation that it's only hurting snr. executives from major record labels when they download music off p2p programs and then they go and download detroit stuff or other stuff which major record labels have no rights vested within. Music from composers they claim to support but then go and download free of charge? one thing that's strikingly clear - no matter where the music is from, and no matter how much it would normally cost - you can't compete with free. on 11/9/03 8:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm not sure what to think of all this. well, let's see...the recording industry has flooded the maketplace with sh!t which, in reality has no value, overcharged people for it, switched to a digital format so that they could screw the craftspeople (not artists) who make this stuff...so people decided not to pay for it and are now they are drowning in it and want to extort a life-jacket from you (the consumer)... i think it's
RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 10% of the people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also. I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may have already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. facts,,rules and everything to send to people so they can make an intelkligent decision themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind the lawsuits? Ja'Maul Redmond PERKINS WILL 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM To: jurren baars Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position? I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing? I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!). MEK jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org mail.comcc: Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA 09/10/03 04:31 PM the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602 some people are fighting back: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl=frnd the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights. christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight for those names. i'm not sure what to think of all this. first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you. the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old. third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy. jurren _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
This is nothing more than PR spin, they will probably drop the case due to the fact that this 12yr old won't have to money nor will her parents. Plus that will teach her to collect Backstreets boys sh*te - should be made the law I think... And you should try buying CD's in the UK, 3 times as much - still it keeps Mick Hucknall off the streets... md 11/9/03 1:40 PM Redmond, Ja'[EMAIL PROTECTED] I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 10% of the people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also. I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may have already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. facts,,rules and everything to send to people so they can make an intelkligent decision themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind the lawsuits? Ja'Maul Redmond PERKINS WILL 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM To: jurren baars Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position? I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing? I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!). MEK jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org mail.comcc: Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA 09/10/03 04:31 PM the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602 some people are fighting back: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl=frnd the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights. christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight for those names. i'm not sure what to think of all this. first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you. the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old. third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy. jurren _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
I think I saw David Bowie on TV the other day saying something like: you know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts sueing it's own customers. I thought that was so spot on! it's all getting totally rediculous. Joost -Original Message- From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 11 september 2003 15:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jurren baars Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 10% of the people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also. I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may have already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. facts,,rules and everything to send to people so they can make an intelkligent decision themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind the lawsuits? Ja'Maul Redmond PERKINS WILL 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM To: jurren baars Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position? I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing? I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!). MEK jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org mail.comcc: Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA 09/10/03 04:31 PM the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602 some people are fighting back: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl =frnd the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights. christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight for those names. i'm not sure what to think of all this. first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you. the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old. third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy. jurren _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
you know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts sueing it's own customers. Exactly MY point!! Ja'Maul Redmond PERKINS WILL 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203 -Original Message- From: Ploegmakers, Joost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:52 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA I think I saw David Bowie on TV the other day saying something like: you know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts sueing it's own customers. I thought that was so spot on! it's all getting totally rediculous. Joost -Original Message- From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 11 september 2003 15:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jurren baars Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 10% of the people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also. I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may have already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. facts,,rules and everything to send to people so they can make an intelkligent decision themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind the lawsuits? Ja'Maul Redmond PERKINS WILL 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM To: jurren baars Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position? I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing? I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!). MEK jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org mail.comcc: Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA 09/10/03 04:31 PM the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602 some people are fighting back: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl =frnd the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights. christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight for those names. i'm not sure what to think of all this. first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you. the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old. third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy. jurren _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months
Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
It's yet another last ditch effort because they were unsuccessful in
sueing many p2p companies whose software is used for legitimate purposes
(of course, in addition to music sharing). Napster, et al were easy (in
comparison) to tackle because of how they were constructed and used. the
current crop of p2p, not so easy plus they keep changing. so they came
after the people, flexing their legal muscles whilst creeping people out
at the thought that the government and/or RIAA can find out what you've
been doing in the privacy of your home. privacy advocates have had lots
to say about this (some of them in powerful positions) and although the
US government could really give a f-ck ('cos they are quite interested
in restricting our privacy), there are positive things happening in some
courts choosing to not side with the RIAA. Let's hope it continues.
Until the system is balanced for all participants - in terms agreeable
to each (artists, consumers/users, prod/dist companies, etc.) - it will
not work and someone will be unhappy. So change must happen.
Martin, it's often cheaper for me to order new, non-US CDs vinyl from
a shop in Leeds than to get them here, even including shipping. Pretty
ridiculous eh? And you should see how much they cost in Vancouver! I
checked out a few vinyl CD DJ shops there and found the prices to be
really inflated. And yes, that's including the conversion from CA to US
currency. :P
On this general topic, ya'll might enjoy this:
http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/
lisa
Martin wrote:
This is nothing more than PR spin, they will probably drop the case due to
the fact that this 12yr old won't have to money nor will her parents. Plus
that will teach her to collect Backstreets boys sh*te - should be made the
law I think...
And you should try buying CD's in the UK, 3 times as much - still it keeps
Mick Hucknall off the streets...
md
11/9/03 1:40 PM Redmond, Ja'[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this stuff
stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 10% of the
people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of
people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in
the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also.
I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may have
already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. facts,,rules and
everything to send to people so they can make an intelkligent decision
themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind the
lawsuits?
Ja'Maul Redmond
PERKINS WILL
1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
To: jurren baars
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
$2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?
that's $2 per song!!!
Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that
she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD
from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position?
I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom
seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone
see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing?
I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing
(business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!).
MEK
jurren baars
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org
mail.comcc:
Subject: Re: (313) 12 year
old is sued by the RIAA
09/10/03 04:31 PM
the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602
some people are fighting back:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl=frnd
the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an
organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the
names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders
refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights.
christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of
his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight
for those names.
i'm not sure what to think of all this.
first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do
something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and
secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that
eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you.
the way they sue
Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
11/9/03 3:31 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin, it's often cheaper for me to order new, non-US CDs vinyl from a shop in Leeds than to get them here, even including shipping. Pretty ridiculous eh? And you should see how much they cost in Vancouver! I checked out a few vinyl CD DJ shops there and found the prices to be really inflated. And yes, that's including the conversion from CA to US currency. :P Really - surely we should be doing more licensing deals to make it cheaper for the punter - I know we are looking to try and do this but it's so hard to get anyone to reply... martin
RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
Yet some more conspiracy theories :
Shock factor aside, however, some observers believed the Senate's interest
in fighting illegal porn file-swapping is largely fueled by lobbying from
the recording industry.
Wendy Seltzer, an attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said the
Senate was using the ever-popular political cause of cracking down on child
porn as a pretext to target peer-to-peer networks. There are plenty of other
technologies that pornographers employ that lawmakers leave alone
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,60368,00.html
-Original Message-
From: lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:32 AM
To: Martin
Cc: Redmond, Ja'Maul; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jurren baars;
313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
It's yet another last ditch effort because they were unsuccessful in
sueing many p2p companies whose software is used for legitimate purposes
(of course, in addition to music sharing). Napster, et al were easy (in
comparison) to tackle because of how they were constructed and used. the
current crop of p2p, not so easy plus they keep changing. so they came
after the people, flexing their legal muscles whilst creeping people out
at the thought that the government and/or RIAA can find out what you've
been doing in the privacy of your home. privacy advocates have had lots
to say about this (some of them in powerful positions) and although the
US government could really give a f-ck ('cos they are quite interested
in restricting our privacy), there are positive things happening in some
courts choosing to not side with the RIAA. Let's hope it continues.
Until the system is balanced for all participants - in terms agreeable
to each (artists, consumers/users, prod/dist companies, etc.) - it will
not work and someone will be unhappy. So change must happen.
Martin, it's often cheaper for me to order new, non-US CDs vinyl from
a shop in Leeds than to get them here, even including shipping. Pretty
ridiculous eh? And you should see how much they cost in Vancouver! I
checked out a few vinyl CD DJ shops there and found the prices to be
really inflated. And yes, that's including the conversion from CA to US
currency. :P
On this general topic, ya'll might enjoy this:
http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/
lisa
Martin wrote:
This is nothing more than PR spin, they will probably drop the case
due to the fact that this 12yr old won't have to money nor will her
parents. Plus that will teach her to collect Backstreets boys sh*te -
should be made the law I think...
And you should try buying CD's in the UK, 3 times as much - still it
keeps Mick Hucknall off the streets...
md
11/9/03 1:40 PM Redmond, Ja'[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this
stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just
10% of the people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s?
That's a lot of people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for
the artist to be in the middle of this, but then maybe more of them
would step up also.
I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may
have already started. I would need all the information,,i.e.
facts,,rules and everything to send to people so they can make an
intelkligent decision themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get
the information behind the lawsuits?
Ja'Maul Redmond
PERKINS WILL
1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
To: jurren baars
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
$2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?
that's $2 per song!!!
Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist
that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had
bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart
position?
I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many
of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've
noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the
RIAA is doing?
I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial
hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game
plan, honest!).
MEK
jurren baars
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org
mail.comcc:
Subject: Re: (313) 12
year old is sued by the RIAA
09/10/03 04:31 PM
the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602
some people are fighting back:
http
Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
Michael.Elliot-Knight wrote: $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position? I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing? i think i can safely say that of those $2000 exactly $0.00 goes to the artists. why? the RIAA protects the rights of the copyright owners. many, if not [almost] all artists signed to a major label will have signed a contract stating that the recordcompany will become the owner of all copyright. in return they'll pay for production and promotion, and the artist will get a percentage of the profits, or a certain amount that's agreed upon between both the artist and the recordlabel. the only way artists are concerned in all this, is that if recordsales continue to drop, recordcompanies will offer their artists less money for their services. jurren _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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The P2P lobby group (made up of all the P2P software owners) have agreed to pay the $2000 on behalf of the girl. If the other 260 people that were sued by the RIAA were smart they'd ask the P2P lobby group to pay for their costs too. After all it is only the P2P companies and ISPs that are making money from the infringing trade of copyright material across networks. on 12/9/03 12:45 AM, Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is nothing more than PR spin, they will probably drop the case due to the fact that this 12yr old won't have to money nor will her parents. Plus that will teach her to collect Backstreets boys sh*te - should be made the law I think... And you should try buying CD's in the UK, 3 times as much - still it keeps Mick Hucknall off the streets... md 11/9/03 1:40 PM Redmond, Ja'[EMAIL PROTECTED] I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 10% of the people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also. I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may have already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. facts,,rules and everything to send to people so they can make an intelkligent decision themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind the lawsuits? Ja'Maul Redmond PERKINS WILL 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM To: jurren baars Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position? I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing? I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!). MEK jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org mail.comcc: Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA 09/10/03 04:31 PM the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602 some people are fighting back: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl=frnd the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights. christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight for those names. i'm not sure what to think of all this. first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you. the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old. third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy. jurren _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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She settled for 2000 bucks: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11483 On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:32:53 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone just forwarded me this - I don't know where it's from: A shy Manhattan schoolgirl who gets a kick out of nursery songs and TV themes was among 261 people sued yesterday for downloading music from the Internet. Brianna LaHara, a curly-haired 12-year-old honor student who started seventh grade yesterday at St. Gregory the Great Catholic school on W. 90th St., couldn't believe she's one of the major offenders the music moguls are after. Oh, my God, what's going to happen now? she asked after hearing of the suit. My stomach is all in knots. Told she may have to go to court, Brianna's eyes widened behind wire- rimmed glasses and she said, I'm just shocked that of all the people that do this, I'm on the list. The Recording Industry Association of America said the suits filed yesterday included about 60 that targeted suspects in New York who downloaded more than 1,000 songs. The group blames computer users such as Brianna, who use software programs to trade music with others on the Internet, for a 30% drop in music sales. Each person sued yesterday could be liable for fines up to $150,000 for each poached track. 'Appropriate action' Experts had predicted a large number of the suits likely would name youngsters. Nobody likes playing the heavy and having to resort to litigation, but when your product is being regularly stolen, there comes a time when you have to take appropriate action, said Carey Sherman, president of the recording association. -- -DJ Entropy (bhpc, elemental compounds, planet muzik, ingrooves, boston) *supporting Pure Hardcore since 1987* *being a RavePainTM since 1995* *Save electronic Music - buy a guitar* http://www.djentropy.com http://www.elementalcompounds.com http://www.planetmuzik.net http://www.ingrooves.com http://www.ishkur.com/features/suckysites/index.htm http://djentropy.home.mindspring.com/hot/entropy-sitting.jpg
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She settled for 2000 bucks: how much do you think it cost them to litigate? b
Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:05:41 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She settled for 2000 bucks: how much do you think it cost them to litigate? Dunno, whaddya think? -- -DJ Entropy (bhpc, elemental compounds, planet muzik, ingrooves, boston) *supporting Pure Hardcore since 1987* *being a RavePainTM since 1995* *Save electronic Music - buy a guitar* http://www.djentropy.com http://www.elementalcompounds.com http://www.planetmuzik.net http://www.ingrooves.com http://www.ishkur.com/features/suckysites/index.htm http://djentropy.home.mindspring.com/hot/entropy-sitting.jpg
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well, they have the best lawyers money can buy, so that's at least $2-3000 an hour... - Original Message - From: DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:05:41 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She settled for 2000 bucks: how much do you think it cost them to litigate? Dunno, whaddya think? -- -DJ Entropy (bhpc, elemental compounds, planet muzik, ingrooves, boston) *supporting Pure Hardcore since 1987* *being a RavePainTM since 1995* *Save electronic Music - buy a guitar* http://www.djentropy.com http://www.elementalcompounds.com http://www.planetmuzik.net http://www.ingrooves.com http://www.ishkur.com/features/suckysites/index.htm http://djentropy.home.mindspring.com/hot/entropy-sitting.jpg
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a high-profile laywer would have taken her case pro bono for the publicity, good point... I was kind of disappointed to see them settle. probably didn't know any better, to make up for it though...i just bought an 80 gig drive and i'm going to fill it up with nothing but pop songs... sue me! sue me! b - Original Message - From: DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:09:11 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, they have the best lawyers money can buy, so that's at least $2- 3000 an hour... As much as making a martyr out af a 12 yr old grrl kinda sucks; I'm SURE a high-profile laywer would have taken her case pro bono for the publicity, and the PR of the RIAA would have gone down the toilet, as it was doing. I was kind of disappointed to see them settle. -- -DJ Entropy (bhpc, elemental compounds, planet muzik, ingrooves, boston) *supporting Pure Hardcore since 1987* *being a RavePainTM since 1995* *Save electronic Music - buy a guitar* http://www.djentropy.com http://www.elementalcompounds.com http://www.planetmuzik.net http://www.ingrooves.com http://www.ishkur.com/features/suckysites/index.htm http://djentropy.home.mindspring.com/hot/entropy-sitting.jpg
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so what was that message posted just yesterday about the riaa vs individuals? i forget, and i lost the message. someone just forwarded me this - I don't know where it's from: A shy Manhattan schoolgirl who gets a kick out of nursery songs and TV themes was among 261 people sued yesterday for downloading music from the Internet. Brianna LaHara, a curly-haired 12-year-old honor student who started seventh grade yesterday at St. Gregory the Great Catholic school on W. 90th St., couldn't believe she's one of the major offenders the music moguls are after. Oh, my God, what's going to happen now? she asked after hearing of the suit. My stomach is all in knots. Told she may have to go to court, Brianna's eyes widened behind wire-rimmed glasses and she said, I'm just shocked that of all the people that do this, I'm on the list. The Recording Industry Association of America said the suits filed yesterday included about 60 that targeted suspects in New York who downloaded more than 1,000 songs. The group blames computer users such as Brianna, who use software programs to trade music with others on the Internet, for a 30% drop in music sales. Each person sued yesterday could be liable for fines up to $150,000 for each poached track. 'Appropriate action' Experts had predicted a large number of the suits likely would name youngsters. Nobody likes playing the heavy and having to resort to litigation, but when your product is being regularly stolen, there comes a time when you have to take appropriate action, said Carey Sherman, president of the recording association. _ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general
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I posted it and it was from DJ magazine online - but I can't find anything that backs up that article. Even Norm Coleman (the Rep. Senator from my state of Minnesota) doesn't mention it on him home page so I'm beginning to wonder where DJ mag got their info from. this is the link to the DJ mag article http://www.djmag.com/news_5.asp MEK J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], l.com313@hyperreal.org cc: 09/10/03 02:48 PMSubject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA so what was that message posted just yesterday about the riaa vs individuals? i forget, and i lost the message. someone just forwarded me this - I don't know where it's from: A shy Manhattan schoolgirl who gets a kick out of nursery songs and TV themes was among 261 people sued yesterday for downloading music from the Internet. Brianna LaHara, a curly-haired 12-year-old honor student who started seventh grade yesterday at St. Gregory the Great Catholic school on W. 90th St., couldn't believe she's one of the major offenders the music moguls are after. Oh, my God, what's going to happen now? she asked after hearing of the suit. My stomach is all in knots. Told she may have to go to court, Brianna's eyes widened behind wire-rimmed glasses and she said, I'm just shocked that of all the people that do this, I'm on the list. The Recording Industry Association of America said the suits filed yesterday included about 60 that targeted suspects in New York who downloaded more than 1,000 songs. The group blames computer users such as Brianna, who use software programs to trade music with others on the Internet, for a 30% drop in music sales. Each person sued yesterday could be liable for fines up to $150,000 for each poached track. 'Appropriate action' Experts had predicted a large number of the suits likely would name youngsters. Nobody likes playing the heavy and having to resort to litigation, but when your product is being regularly stolen, there comes a time when you have to take appropriate action, said Carey Sherman, president of the recording association. _ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general
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It's also on CNN.com http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/09/music.swap.settlement/index.html It was up on that site last night... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2003 4:51 PM To: J. T. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA I posted it and it was from DJ magazine online - but I can't find anything that backs up that article. Even Norm Coleman (the Rep. Senator from my state of Minnesota) doesn't mention it on him home page so I'm beginning to wonder where DJ mag got their info from. this is the link to the DJ mag article http://www.djmag.com/news_5.asp MEK J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], l.com313@hyperreal.org cc: 09/10/03 02:48 PMSubject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA so what was that message posted just yesterday about the riaa vs individuals? i forget, and i lost the message. someone just forwarded me this - I don't know where it's from: A shy Manhattan schoolgirl who gets a kick out of nursery songs and TV themes was among 261 people sued yesterday for downloading music from the Internet. Brianna LaHara, a curly-haired 12-year-old honor student who started seventh grade yesterday at St. Gregory the Great Catholic school on W. 90th St., couldn't believe she's one of the major offenders the music moguls are after. Oh, my God, what's going to happen now? she asked after hearing of the suit. My stomach is all in knots. Told she may have to go to court, Brianna's eyes widened behind wire-rimmed glasses and she said, I'm just shocked that of all the people that do this, I'm on the list. The Recording Industry Association of America said the suits filed yesterday included about 60 that targeted suspects in New York who downloaded more than 1,000 songs. The group blames computer users such as Brianna, who use software programs to trade music with others on the Internet, for a 30% drop in music sales. Each person sued yesterday could be liable for fines up to $150,000 for each poached track. 'Appropriate action' Experts had predicted a large number of the suits likely would name youngsters. Nobody likes playing the heavy and having to resort to litigation, but when your product is being regularly stolen, there comes a time when you have to take appropriate action, said Carey Sherman, president of the recording association. _ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general
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At 22:51 10-9-2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted it and it was from DJ magazine online - but I can't find anything that backs up that article. Even Norm Coleman (the Rep. Senator from my state of Minnesota) doesn't mention it on him home page so I'm beginning to wonder where DJ mag got their info from. http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/nation/6725042.htm R. --- http://www.funxiun.com .dark.elektronix.
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thanks for all the infos guys. it's interesting to note that some articles dont seem to distinguish between filesharing and downloading (the local paper here didnt), which is a significant difference pretty analogous to uploading vs downloading...of course one relates to the other, but a lot of people who aren't even setup to share (upload) their files are now worried about what they download. helpful paranoia for the riaa http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/nation/6725042.htm R. --- http://www.funxiun.com .dark.elektronix. _ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es
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the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602 some people are fighting back: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl=frnd the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights. christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight for those names. i'm not sure what to think of all this. first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you. the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old. third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy. jurren _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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i'm not sure what to think of all this. well, let's see...the recording industry has flooded the maketplace with sh!t which, in reality has no value, overcharged people for it, switched to a digital format so that they could screw the craftspeople (not artists) who make this stuff...so people decided not to pay for it and are now they are drowning in it and want to extort a life-jacket from you (the consumer)... i think it's great! b
Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
$2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position? I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing? I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!). MEK jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org mail.comcc: Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA 09/10/03 04:31 PM the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602 some people are fighting back: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl=frnd the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights. christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight for those names. i'm not sure what to think of all this. first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you. the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old. third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy. jurren _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
that may be true - but this doesn't really effect you does it? what proportion of the music you buy is aligned with major record labels? it worries me when people use the rationalisation that it's only hurting snr. executives from major record labels when they download music off p2p programs and then they go and download detroit stuff or other stuff which major record labels have no rights vested within. Music from composers they claim to support but then go and download free of charge? one thing that's strikingly clear - no matter where the music is from, and no matter how much it would normally cost - you can't compete with free. on 11/9/03 8:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm not sure what to think of all this. well, let's see...the recording industry has flooded the maketplace with sh!t which, in reality has no value, overcharged people for it, switched to a digital format so that they could screw the craftspeople (not artists) who make this stuff...so people decided not to pay for it and are now they are drowning in it and want to extort a life-jacket from you (the consumer)... i think it's great! b
RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
please tell this committee. are you now, or have you ever been... a file-sharer? ;-P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM To: jurren baars Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position? I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing? I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!). MEK jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org mail.comcc: Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA 09/10/03 04:31 PM the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602 some people are fighting back: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl=frnd the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights. christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight for those names. i'm not sure what to think of all this. first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you. the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old. third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy. jurren _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
