Re: (313) Suburban Knight, DJ Di'jital, DJ Dex, Kelvin Larkin in LA this Friday!
it' s being thrown by bela and walton who work at NI and our friends with Murat. No offical connections that I know of. On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Greg Earle wrote: This is apparently some sort of Native Instruments/Murat-related event, but I don't have any more details than this: First Kontakt Friday, 7/30/2004 Presale: $10.00 Ticket Sales Stop at 8:00:00 PM (PST) 7/30/2004 Talent: James Pennington aka Suburban Knight (Detroit, Underground Resistance), DJ di'jital (Detroit, Twilight 76, Database), DJ Dex (Detroit, Los Hermanos) Locals: Kenneth Graham, Murat, Kelvin Larkin, Walton, Developer Info: For the first time ever in LA, members of the Submerge/Underground Resistance crew come together for a very special event in true UR form. Be prepared to get 'down and dirty' as the Detroit electro/booty/techno movement comes to Southern Cali. this will be a intimate affair so buy tickets in advance to avoid dissapointment! [NB: This is full of sh!te - John Tejada's girlfriend brought out Rolando, Wild Planet and the Burden Brothers several years ago. Harumph. - Ed.] Info Line: (323) 791-6413 Doors Open at: 10:00 PM Doors Close at: 3:00 AM Will Call for Ticket Pick-up Closes at: 8:30 PM Ages: 21 and up Items not allowed: GLOWSTICKS Event Capacity: 400 Casey’s 613 S Grand Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90017 United States Web: http://www.groovetickets.com/ordersystem/groove/eventviewqb.asp? EventsID=11699
Re: (313) Suburban Knight, DJ Di'jital, DJ Dex, In LA
well i do know that murat works for native instruments and this was something he has been trying to put together with native and bella for awhile to my knowlege so there definatly is a connection plus, he's playing the party michael www.renegaderhythms.com it' s being thrown by bela and walton who work at NI and our friends with Murat. No offical connections that I know of. On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Greg Earle wrote: This is apparently some sort of Native Instruments/Murat-related event, but I don't have any more details than this: First Kontakt Friday, 7/30/2004 Presale: $10.00 Ticket Sales Stop at 8:00:00 PM (PST) 7/30/2004 Talent: James Pennington aka Suburban Knight (Detroit, Underground Resistance), DJ di'jital (Detroit, Twilight 76, Database), DJ Dex (Detroit, Los Hermanos) Locals: Kenneth Graham, Murat, Kelvin Larkin, Walton, Developer Info: For the first time ever in LA, members of the Submerge/Underground Resistance crew come together for a very special event in true UR form. Be prepared to get 'down and dirty' as the Detroit electro/booty/techno movement comes to Southern Cali. this will be a intimate affair so buy tickets in advance to avoid dissapointment! [NB: This is full of sh!te - John Tejada's girlfriend brought out Rolando, Wild Planet and the Burden Brothers several years ago. Harumph. - Ed.] Info Line: (323) 791-6413 Doors Open at: 10:00 PM Doors Close at: 3:00 AM Will Call for Ticket Pick-up Closes at: 8:30 PM Ages: 21 and up Items not allowed: GLOWSTICKS Event Capacity: 400 Caseys 613 S Grand Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90017 United States Web: http://www.groovetickets.com/ordersystem/groove/eventviewqb.asp? EventsID=11699
Re: (313) Suburban Knight, DJ Di'jital, DJ Dex, Kelvin Larkin in LA this Friday!
Come on you know it's LA, somebody's going to show up with their glowsticks and mickey mouse gloves on. I'm willing to put money on it. I haven't been to an event out here yet that someone hasn't whipped a few out. First Mills...Then Pullen...Now URplaying LA?! Must be my lucky year. And here I thought the only 313 to be heard in LA was my car stereo bumpin down PCH. Now let's not let this get out of hand out here. I kind of like getting the confused look from the trance kids faces when I ask them if they've ever listened to Rob Hood. Ish On Jul 27, 2004, at 2:41 PM, Greg Earle wrote: This is apparently some sort of Native Instruments/Murat-related event, but I don't have any more details than this: First Kontakt Friday, 7/30/2004 Presale: $10.00 Ticket Sales Stop at 8:00:00 PM (PST) 7/30/2004 Talent: James Pennington aka Suburban Knight (Detroit, Underground Resistance), DJ di'jital (Detroit, Twilight 76, Database), DJ Dex (Detroit, Los Hermanos) Locals: Kenneth Graham, Murat, Kelvin Larkin, Walton, Developer Info: For the first time ever in LA, members of the Submerge/Underground Resistance crew come together for a very special event in true UR form. Be prepared to get 'down and dirty' as the Detroit electro/booty/techno movement comes to Southern Cali. this will be a intimate affair so buy tickets in advance to avoid dissapointment! [NB: This is full of sh!te - John Tejada's girlfriend brought out Rolando, Wild Planet and the Burden Brothers several years ago. Harumph. - Ed.] Info Line: (323) 791-6413 Doors Open at: 10:00 PM Doors Close at: 3:00 AM Will Call for Ticket Pick-up Closes at: 8:30 PM Ages: 21 and up Items not allowed: GLOWSTICKS Event Capacity: 400 Casey’s 613 S Grand Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90017 United States Web: http://www.groovetickets.com/ordersystem/groove/eventviewqb.asp? EventsID=11699
Re: (313) Suburban Knight, DJ Di'jital, DJ Dex, Kelvin Larkin in LA this Friday!
Looks pretty good tho and no glowsticks is a plus... - Original Message - From: Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is apparently some sort of Native Instruments/Murat-related event, but I don't have any more details than this: First Kontakt Friday, 7/30/2004 Presale: $10.00
Re: (313) Suburban Knight, DJ Di'jital, DJ Dex, Kelvin Larkin in LA this Friday!
All for a tenner? Incredible. MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org com cc: Subject: Re: (313) Suburban Knight, DJ Di'jital, DJ Dex, Kelvin Larkin in 07/27/04 05:05 PM LA this Friday! Please respond to Martin Dust Looks pretty good tho and no glowsticks is a plus... - Original Message - From: Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is apparently some sort of Native Instruments/Murat-related event, but I don't have any more details than this: First Kontakt Friday, 7/30/2004 Presale: $10.00
Re: (313) Suburban Knight, Orlando Voorn, Derrick May
Me too. ;) Oslo is sweet. Lineups like this make me wish I lived in Detroit. that reminds me, did anyone catch Raiders of the Lost Arp? - jobot - Original Message - From: Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:57 pm Subject: (313) Suburban Knight, Orlando Voorn, Derrick May FRIDAY JUNE 25 OSLO 10pm-3am JAMES PENNINGTON aka The SUBURBAN KNIGHT (Underground Resistance) ORLANDO VOORN (Submerge Recordings, Transmat, Underground Resistance) --- this SATURDAY JUNE 26 OSLO 10pm-3am DERRICK MAY (Transmat) DIRECTIONS + INFO: http://www.soft-curls.com (313)963-0300 1456 woodward, between john r. grand river peace -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
Re: (313) Suburban Knight, Orlando Voorn, Derrick May
Three Techno Gods, two nights, one club. Zero chance of me getting to the D. 3 more excellent reasons i need to move about 500 miles east of where i am right now. If anybody near woodward chooses not to go to this event, count on a free kick in the junk from yours truly! hugs and kisses, should be off the hook! -jason On Tuesday, June 22, 2004, at 10:57 PM, Matt MacQueen wrote: FRIDAY JUNE 25 OSLO 10pm-3am JAMES PENNINGTON aka The SUBURBAN KNIGHT (Underground Resistance) ORLANDO VOORN (Submerge Recordings, Transmat, Underground Resistance) --- this SATURDAY JUNE 26 OSLO 10pm-3am DERRICK MAY (Transmat) DIRECTIONS + INFO: http://www.soft-curls.com (313)963-0300 1456 woodward, between john r. grand river peace -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
Re: (313) Suburban Knight, Orlando Voorn, Derrick May
Lineups like this make me wish I lived in Detroit. that reminds me, did anyone catch Raiders of the Lost Arp? - jobot - Original Message - From: Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:57 pm Subject: (313) Suburban Knight, Orlando Voorn, Derrick May FRIDAY JUNE 25 OSLO 10pm-3am JAMES PENNINGTON aka The SUBURBAN KNIGHT (Underground Resistance) ORLANDO VOORN (Submerge Recordings, Transmat, Underground Resistance) --- this SATURDAY JUNE 26 OSLO 10pm-3am DERRICK MAY (Transmat) DIRECTIONS + INFO: http://www.soft-curls.com (313)963-0300 1456 woodward, between john r. grand river peace -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
RE: (313) Suburban Knight
You know that. -Original Message- From: jason kenjar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2004 4:35 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Suburban Knight whats up list- I've always liked James Pennington's (SKs) style of mixing. He ads a signature touch to those old UR records. He breathes new life into those very old tracks whenever he gets down. He has an uncanny sense of timing and knows exactly when to drop in a new track every time. A very controlled DJ who is not afraid to experiment. Take care UK'ers, enjoy one of UR's best. -jasonk On Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at 10:11 AM, Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) wrote: Looking forward to seeing SK after a lengthy absence. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2004 4:11 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) London Party - Lost got this mail through... LOST presents COSMIC ENTITY EASTER SATURDAY 10 APRIL featuring STEVE BICKNELL + guests JUAN ATKINS - (METROPLEX, DETROIT) - exclusive U.K. date SUBURBAN KNIGHT - (UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE, DETROIT) - exclusive U.K. date KIM BILIR (CLUBTRACKS) good huh? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
Re: (313) suburban knight
has anyone heard the suburban knight album on peacefrog? is good yes? WHT ??! :)) is that true? someone confirm please :) This was posted on the list by Tom Magic Feet (and subsequently discussed by many listmembers) a few weeks ago... Artist: Suburban Knight Cat Number: PFG025 / PFG025CD Title: My Sol Dark Direction Barcode: 2LP - 505029413411-5 CD - 505029413422-1 Release date: 28th April 2003 Track listing: Shape Shifter Collaboration Alfa Midnight Sunshine True To The Game Roundtable Chronicles Art Of Stalking Niagra Falls Nocturbulus Behaviour · The first ever full-length album from one of Detroit's most respected techno producers. · Suburban Knight has recorded for the worlds top two techno imprints - Derrick May's Transmat Mike Banks' Underground Resistance. · Includes classic tracks never before released on CD. · Suburban Knight will be touring at a club near you soon. Peacefrog proudly present the first ever artist album from one of Underground Resistance's most consistent sought after foot soldiers. James Pennington AKA the Suburban Knight has been heavily involved in the roots of Detroit's most influential export since it's conception in the eighties. Part of Kevin Saunderson's 'Inner City' when they had their two biggest hits 'Big Fun' 'Good Life' James went on to record two classics for Derrick May 's fledgling Transmat label - 'The Groove' 'Art Of Stalking'. James' penchant for making dark melodic techno soon lead him to the infamous doors of Mike Banks Jeff Mills' UR collective, where he was to have arguably his biggest hit to date 'Nocturbulas Behaviour'. Since these early days his releases have been less frequent than many of his peers, but always timeless crucial. 'My Sol Dark Direction' is an accumulation of 17 years worth of contributions to the world of dance music. A masterpiece of house, techno electronics, featuring time honoured classics new flawless productions. This is a must for anyone with the slightest interest in dance music, an essential lesson in the history of house.
RE: (313) suburban knight
I heard the tracks about 18 months ago (probably the same versions as you Fabrice) and was very impressed. They were a little rough around the edges in places, but were definitely trademark Sub Knight quality... -Original Message- From: fabrice Lig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 March 2003 10:15 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) suburban knight I've heard some track more than one year ago,not bad but not the best things I've heard from Sub Night, but I Heard that they re-recorded some of these with MMike in Detroit.sowe will see... Fabrice http://www.multimania.com/fabricelig/ From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) suburban knight Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 02:07:54 + has anyone heard the suburban knight album on peacefrog? is good yes? WHT ??! :)) is that true? someone confirm please :) This was posted on the list by Tom Magic Feet (and subsequently discussed by many listmembers) a few weeks ago... Artist: Suburban Knight Cat Number: PFG025 / PFG025CD Title: My Sol Dark Direction Barcode: 2LP - 505029413411-5 CD - 505029413422-1 Release date: 28th April 2003 Track listing: Shape Shifter Collaboration Alfa Midnight Sunshine True To The Game Roundtable Chronicles Art Of Stalking Niagra Falls Nocturbulus Behaviour · The first ever full-length album from one of Detroit's most respected techno producers. · Suburban Knight has recorded for the worlds top two techno imprints - Derrick May's Transmat Mike Banks' Underground Resistance. · Includes classic tracks never before released on CD. · Suburban Knight will be touring at a club near you soon. Peacefrog proudly present the first ever artist album from one of Underground Resistance's most consistent sought after foot soldiers. James Pennington AKA the Suburban Knight has been heavily involved in the roots of Detroit's most influential export since it's conception in the eighties. Part of Kevin Saunderson's 'Inner City' when they had their two biggest hits 'Big Fun' 'Good Life' James went on to record two classics for Derrick May 's fledgling Transmat label - 'The Groove' 'Art Of Stalking'. James' penchant for making dark melodic techno soon lead him to the infamous doors of Mike Banks Jeff Mills' UR collective, where he was to have arguably his biggest hit to date 'Nocturbulas Behaviour'. Since these early days his releases have been less frequent than many of his peers, but always timeless crucial. 'My Sol Dark Direction' is an accumulation of 17 years worth of contributions to the world of dance music. A masterpiece of house, techno electronics, featuring time honoured classics new flawless productions. This is a must for anyone with the slightest interest in dance music, an essential lesson in the history of house. _ Hotmail: votre e-mail gratuit ! http://www.fr.msn.be/hotmail
Re: (313) suburban knight
has anyone heard the suburban knight album on peacefrog? is good yes? WHT ??! :)) is that true? someone confirm please :) i am really looking forward to this one, more info please!!! so james is still in the business :) really great stuff ! the art of stalking, maroon... hope it will be proper album, not just some compilation of older tunes... h anything is great :) bye rob
Re: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses
Yeah, Mike Grant is staying with me at the moment...didn't make it up north, but apparently it was OK. Rob Jarvis Victoria Music Ltd. Unit 215 old gramaphone works 326 Kensal Road London W10 5BZ + 44 (0)20 7565 8193 voice + 44 (0)20 8960 3834 fax http://www.victoria-music.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MSN messenger) pro-jex + killa bite + inform + subvoice + room tone + housedust + nepenta + u7 + kne' deep _ From: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Telegraph Group Limited Reply-To: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:57:34 - To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses Reports of Hood being booed at the Orbit for getting too minimal are yet to be confirmed.. :) What about Mike Grant at T-Funkshun? looks like the north had it good for Detroit this weekend. *** This e-mail is from Telegraph Group Ltd. - 1 Canada Square, Canary Wharf, London E14 5DT. Registered in England No 0451593. This message, its contents and any attachments to it, are private and confidential. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or any part of this message (without our prior consent in writing) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message please notify us immediately. No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Telegraph Group Limited by means of email. *** - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: 17 February 2003 07:15 Subject: RE: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses That's Dan Bell, Pennington there, Hood/Denham in Leeds on Saturday. Little reviews wd be great if poss pls. Cheers k -Original Message- From: ryan burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:09 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses coul you tell me more about that night. any particular tracks dan bell played you recignzed. wish i could have been there. bell has a new track on Perlon that i love. with a isolee rmx. nice! ryan burns From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big shout to the 313ers who made it along to 69 last night for Dan Bell - particularly BT for bringing such a big crowd, and Richard and Susie for bringing your infectious enthusiasm all the way from London :) Hope you had a good night see you all soon... Cheers, Tom _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses
coul you tell me more about that night. any particular tracks dan bell played you recignzed. wish i could have been there. bell has a new track on Perlon that i love. with a isolee rmx. nice! ryan burns From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big shout to the 313ers who made it along to 69 last night for Dan Bell - particularly BT for bringing such a big crowd, and Richard and Susie for bringing your infectious enthusiasm all the way from London :) Hope you had a good night see you all soon... Cheers, Tom _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses
That's Dan Bell, Pennington there, Hood/Denham in Leeds on Saturday. Little reviews wd be great if poss pls. Cheers k -Original Message- From: ryan burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:09 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses coul you tell me more about that night. any particular tracks dan bell played you recignzed. wish i could have been there. bell has a new track on Perlon that i love. with a isolee rmx. nice! ryan burns From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big shout to the 313ers who made it along to 69 last night for Dan Bell - particularly BT for bringing such a big crowd, and Richard and Susie for bringing your infectious enthusiasm all the way from London :) Hope you had a good night see you all soon... Cheers, Tom _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses
Reports of Hood being booed at the Orbit for getting too minimal are yet to be confirmed.. :) What about Mike Grant at T-Funkshun? looks like the north had it good for Detroit this weekend. *** This e-mail is from Telegraph Group Ltd. - 1 Canada Square, Canary Wharf, London E14 5DT. Registered in England No 0451593. This message, its contents and any attachments to it, are private and confidential. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or any part of this message (without our prior consent in writing) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message please notify us immediately. No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Telegraph Group Limited by means of email. *** - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: 17 February 2003 07:15 Subject: RE: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses That's Dan Bell, Pennington there, Hood/Denham in Leeds on Saturday. Little reviews wd be great if poss pls. Cheers k -Original Message- From: ryan burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:09 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses coul you tell me more about that night. any particular tracks dan bell played you recignzed. wish i could have been there. bell has a new track on Perlon that i love. with a isolee rmx. nice! ryan burns From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big shout to the 313ers who made it along to 69 last night for Dan Bell - particularly BT for bringing such a big crowd, and Richard and Susie for bringing your infectious enthusiasm all the way from London :) Hope you had a good night see you all soon... Cheers, Tom _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses
Dan played for just over two hours, dropping a great range of stuff from the house-techno spectrum - including a few of the tracks he uses on his forthcoming mix CD on Logistic. Some of the tracks I recognised were the Drug Punks' 'Suck My' on Subliminal, the Derrick Carter mix of DJ Sneak's 'Fix My Sink', KB Project's 'The Symphony (Can You Feel It)' on Elevate, the new Perlon 12 you mentioned, and quite a few others but my memory's a little rusty today... Great guy, amazing records, immaculate mixing, smiley crowd - not as busy as it could have been but there was a fantastic intimate vibe... Cheers, Tom coul you tell me more about that night. any particular tracks dan bell played you recignzed. wish i could have been there. bell has a new track on Perlon that i love. with a isolee rmx. nice! ryan burns Big shout to the 313ers who made it along to 69 last night for Dan Bell - particularly BT for bringing such a big crowd, and Richard and Susie for bringing your infectious enthusiasm all the way from London :) Hope you had a good night see you all soon... Cheers, Tom
Re: (313) suburban knight on p'frog + liasons dangereuses
does anyone know the release date on the upcoming suburban knight lp on peacefrog? April 28th I think... Big shout to the 313ers who made it along to 69 last night for Dan Bell - particularly BT for bringing such a big crowd, and Richard and Susie for bringing your infectious enthusiasm all the way from London :) Hope you had a good night see you all soon... Cheers, Tom
Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
on 2/4/03 8:47 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your taking a piss out of us, right? I really did mu best not to respond to this but i am really wondering of you have ever been into a club on planet earth at all? Yes I've been to clubs but what does that supposed to prove? Look what club culture has become, the type of people who go out to clubs. They are not going there to listen to music, especially interest, new electronic music, some of the most shallow people go to dance clubs. It's too bad you cant throw a rave in a huge dark abandon warehouse anymore, at least that would be fun. on 2/4/03 9:16 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music is only soundwaves? Well that can not be true, if that is true then me farting would be music??? Hmm i feel a new hit record coming up :) Music is a form of human social expression through sound, when you hear a sound your brain processes the signal from your ears and this triggers an emotional response. Of course all of this is considered off topic so I'll just leave it at that, my point was to a good dj there is no such thing as a bad record, I challenge people to randomly buy used 12 you find at the discount rack (there are a lot of second hand music stores that sell old dance 12 for .50 or $1.00) and try incorporating that into a dj set with the techno you have in your crates and see what type of results you come up with.
Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed 05/Feb/2003 01:16 GMT To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) Yes I've been to clubs but what does that supposed to prove? Look what club culture has become, the type of people who go out to clubs. Indeed. At 37 I now belong to that (age) group of people who when I was a teenager I used to say they should stay at home and let us have some (shallow) fun. They are not going there to listen to music, especially interest, new electronic music, some of the most shallow people go to dance clubs. Oh, I go clubbing because I want to dance to music I'm not interested in, and also it's so easy to score with all them tasty fit young guys off their tits. Anya : P __ Freeserve AnyTime - Go online whenever you want for just £6.99 a month for your first 3 months, that's HALF PRICE! And then it's just £13.99 a month after that. For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
Well, you have to understand that there is a DEMAND for records with that pumped up sound, when most records are like this, records that are NOT tend to sound rather quiet and may unintentionally lower the energy. I guess I don't see anything wrong with making pumped up records if you are making them for club DJ's to play out in peak hour sets. A track made more for home listening or a deeper less aggresive set should probably not be made that way of course. Dance music does have a functional aspect, and I don't think one should say a record made for a peak hour type set can't still be good. The aesthetic of such records seems appropriate to their function... I see what you mean, and I agree that there's a case for functional records. I love working a bonus beats track alongside a more melodic/leftfield one, or even two beats, eq-ing and crossing them over. I guess what I've noticed (like a lot of people) is that when those records become the majority, and then when the artists involved get major kudos in the press (naming no names!) it gets right up my nose. So many times, when reading reviews etc., I see a tune and think ''I'll go and find that'', only to be deeply disappointed - it's Just Another Record. This applies to all different genres, but then, reviews *are* subjective, aren't they? I'm not complaining (oh, alright, I am) but it's interesting to see what other people think. Andrew
Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
I can understand where people are going with the dry productions but Pro-Tools and 'DIGITAL' music can sound really cool depending on how you produce it. Of course the typical prog-house, trance production has a cheap digial quality to it with clean effects and reverb but a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. on 2/3/03 9:59 AM, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis, Ah, well I meant no offense. When he said it he seemed pretty amused, (I was talking to him about the possibility of mastering some of stuff, like thousands of others) and we both chuckled at the idea of just lathering in saturation, just for sake of sounding like ''whoever'' - it wasn't a Deep Chord release we talked about, I'd rather not name names. But I still think it's lame - it's like BC never happened. Anyway, the reason I posted was to hopefully spur a conversation about the total overproduction of music, which this thread had drifted on to. It seems like so many releases are guilty of digitising the soul out of the music, which could be due to the tendency to over-compress, normalize every sample (or the stereo master), or to get the mastering guy to take all the dynamic range out of a track by pumping it beyond measure. Pro-Tools is a definite culprit in giving releases a homogenous 'sound', unless your careful. Also with the advent of units like the Finalizer, more people are pre-mastering, which only aggravates the problem. It all makes for cool peak-time stormers, but for music with a little ''soul'', it can be a problem, in my opinion. What's interesting is that hip hop guys manages to imbue their music with a lot of spirit and soul and funk, while at the same time using whatever effects they can to pump up the music and make it louder, which his maybe due to their original sound sources, but also their unwillingness to be trapped into quantization and program beats in a different way. So maybe dance guys need to stop using sound modules and Roland kit, and open the net sound-wise? I'm just intersted in people's opinions, I've been dying to talk about this with intelligent people for a while now, and I'm not interested in being ''right'' - just talking about it. thanks, Andrew
RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
Why would somebody want do that in the first place? ie mix a crap record with a good record. I prefer to hear a good DJ mix a good record with another good record and make them sound even better. Surely that's the whole point of mixing? -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:44 PM To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I 2nd that! A $hitty track is a $hitty trackthat is, unless this dj only used that record to scratch with! haha IMO -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 8:44 AM To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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I agree. These technologies can be used to good effect, it's just that I think they're (unwittingly) used to take away some grit and dynamic range which you often hear in more soulful stuff, particularly the best Detroit stuff. (Though by no means all Detroit stuff - I am not into lazy generalisations based on geography.) When you're using nice kit, it can be tempting to make it sound as loud and pumped as possible, and I guess that this is what I hear a lot when I go record shopping, just over-indulgence, coupled with a lack of innovation and/or musicality. As for the Oakenfold thingeach to their own ;-) Just kidding! - Original Message - From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) I can understand where people are going with the dry productions but Pro-Tools and 'DIGITAL' music can sound really cool depending on how you produce it. Of course the typical prog-house, trance production has a cheap digial quality to it with clean effects and reverb but a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. on 2/3/03 9:59 AM, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis, Ah, well I meant no offense. When he said it he seemed pretty amused, (I was talking to him about the possibility of mastering some of stuff, like thousands of others) and we both chuckled at the idea of just lathering in saturation, just for sake of sounding like ''whoever'' - it wasn't a Deep Chord release we talked about, I'd rather not name names. But I still think it's lame - it's like BC never happened. Anyway, the reason I posted was to hopefully spur a conversation about the total overproduction of music, which this thread had drifted on to. It seems like so many releases are guilty of digitising the soul out of the music, which could be due to the tendency to over-compress, normalize every sample (or the stereo master), or to get the mastering guy to take all the dynamic range out of a track by pumping it beyond measure. Pro-Tools is a definite culprit in giving releases a homogenous 'sound', unless your careful. Also with the advent of units like the Finalizer, more people are pre-mastering, which only aggravates the problem. It all makes for cool peak-time stormers, but for music with a little ''soul'', it can be a problem, in my opinion. What's interesting is that hip hop guys manages to imbue their music with a lot of spirit and soul and funk, while at the same time using whatever effects they can to pump up the music and make it louder, which his maybe due to their original sound sources, but also their unwillingness to be trapped into quantization and program beats in a different way. So maybe dance guys need to stop using sound modules and Roland kit, and open the net sound-wise? I'm just intersted in people's opinions, I've been dying to talk about this with intelligent people for a while now, and I'm not interested in being ''right'' - just talking about it. thanks, Andrew
RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
Why would somebody want do that in the first place? ie mix a crap record with a good record. I prefer to hear a good DJ mix a good record with another good record and make them sound even better. Surely that's the whole point of mixing? Agreed, not even Rolando could get away with playing Final Frontier, then mixing in Hi-Tech Jazz end following that with the brilliant No Limits from 2 Unlimited [EMAIL PROTECTED] a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
I like this thread. But - I'd like to say that I think it's poss to take this preference for 'gritty realism' too far as much as the favouring of highly finessed productions: remember, the main reason producers emphasize the attack on everything is because they want them to stand out in a very competitive market for electronic dance music. Plus lo-fi productions are actually very difficult to handle on a very big system - I'd guess it would be easier in the mix just to throw on the latest New York drum track and let the worry stop there, till the next record, than trying to get some old classic, occupying 1 inch of dirty vinyl, to come off ... (mho) -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:56 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) Why would somebody want do that in the first place? ie mix a crap record with a good record. I prefer to hear a good DJ mix a good record with another good record and make them sound even better. Surely that's the whole point of mixing? Agreed, not even Rolando could get away with playing Final Frontier, then mixing in Hi-Tech Jazz end following that with the brilliant No Limits from 2 Unlimited [EMAIL PROTECTED] a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
What's the challenge in mixing only good records? Mix anything that works, if you can be clever and mix a cheesy trance track with a techno track why not do it just to throw people off? on 2/4/03 7:45 AM, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would somebody want do that in the first place? ie mix a crap record with a good record. I prefer to hear a good DJ mix a good record with another good record and make them sound even better. Surely that's the whole point of mixing? -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:44 PM To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :)
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This really funny, i have never heard of a DJ who wants to mix sh*t records just because of the challenge! If you mean to play something else then just one style okay, i like that a lot but not a dj who plays a sh*t track [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the challenge in mixing only good records? Mix anything that works, if you can be clever and mix a cheesy trance track with a techno track why not do it just to throw people off? on 2/4/03 7:45 AM, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would somebody want do that in the first place? ie mix a crap record with a good record. I prefer to hear a good DJ mix a good record with another good record and make them sound even better. Surely that's the whole point of mixing? -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:44 PM To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :) -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
I always thought it would be cool to throw in something like 2 Unlimited or James Brown Is Dead with that Knights Of The Jaguar Sony rip off like in middle of a deep techno set just to watch peoples reaction. music is only sound waves i think it's funny how people get angry when they hear something that is considered out of style. If you can mix 2 Unlimited or that Cher dance tune with UR and it's sounds kind of interesting why not do it? on 2/4/03 7:56 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, not even Rolando could get away with playing Final Frontier, then mixing in Hi-Tech Jazz end following that with the brilliant No Limits from 2 Unlimited
RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
Throw people off the dance floor, you mean? Because a crap record is still a crap record no matter how you juxtapose it with another one. It might be a novelty to hear some ridiculous records mixed together the first time round but that soon palls (look at the bootleg craze), so why bother? To look clever? To annoy people? Or is this some kind of avant-garde dada experiment to challenge our expectations? ;-) -Original Message- From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:42 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) What's the challenge in mixing only good records? Mix anything that works, if you can be clever and mix a cheesy trance track with a techno track why not do it just to throw people off? on 2/4/03 7:45 AM, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would somebody want do that in the first place? ie mix a crap record with a good record. I prefer to hear a good DJ mix a good record with another good record and make them sound even better. Surely that's the whole point of mixing? -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:44 PM To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :) Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well techno isn't known for having a sense of humour sadly. But then, stuff like 2 Unlimited or Zombie Nation doesn't have any irony either. *** This e-mail is from Telegraph Group Ltd. - 1 Canada Square, Canary Wharf, London E14 5DT. Registered in England No 0451593. This message, its contents and any attachments to it, are private and confidential. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or any part of this message (without our prior consent in writing) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message please notify us immediately. No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Telegraph Group Limited by means of email. *** - Original Message - From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: 04 February 2003 13:49 Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) I always thought it would be cool to throw in something like 2 Unlimited or James Brown Is Dead with that Knights Of The Jaguar Sony rip off like in middle of a deep techno set just to watch peoples reaction. music is only sound waves i think it's funny how people get angry when they hear something that is considered out of style. If you can mix 2 Unlimited or that Cher dance tune with UR and it's sounds kind of interesting why not do it? on 2/4/03 7:56 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, not even Rolando could get away with playing Final Frontier, then mixing in Hi-Tech Jazz end following that with the brilliant No Limits from 2 Unlimited
Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
too many good DJs and musicians nowadays are afraid to suck. This really funny, i have never heard of a DJ who wants to mix sh*t records just because of the challenge! If you mean to play something else then just one style okay, i like that a lot but not a dj who plays a sh*t track [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the challenge in mixing only good records? Mix anything that works, if you can be clever and mix a cheesy trance track with a techno track why not do it just to throw people off? on 2/4/03 7:45 AM, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would somebody want do that in the first place? ie mix a crap record with a good record. I prefer to hear a good DJ mix a good record with another good record and make them sound even better. Surely that's the whole point of mixing? -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:44 PM To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :) -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
Your taking a piss out of us, right? I really did mu best not to respond to this but i am really wondering of you have ever been into a club on planet earth at all? also i am really depressed now because 2 of the 3 records mentioned are dutch :) kj -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 4 februari 2003 14:49 Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) I always thought it would be cool to throw in something like 2 Unlimited or James Brown Is Dead with that Knights Of The Jaguar Sony rip off like in middle of a deep techno set just to watch peoples reaction. music is only sound waves i think it's funny how people get angry when they hear something that is considered out of style. If you can mix 2 Unlimited or that Cher dance tune with UR and it's sounds kind of interesting why not do it? on 2/4/03 7:56 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, not even Rolando could get away with playing Final Frontier, then mixing in Hi-Tech Jazz end following that with the brilliant No Limits from 2 Unlimited -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
You know, I think techno has a point here - UK members - remember: The Tweets The Birdie Song also The Flying Pickets and Black Lace? If you can carry off mixing them with Metro Area, Akufen, anything from Delsin and a whole host of other modern standards, not only do I think that you ought to be able to do it - you *should* do it - as a matter of duty to the cause of mixology. I say this with a totally straight face. Viva Dr Albarn, and other sons of the resistance ... k -Original Message- From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:49 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) I always thought it would be cool to throw in something like 2 Unlimited or James Brown Is Dead with that Knights Of The Jaguar Sony rip off like in middle of a deep techno set just to watch peoples reaction. music is only sound waves i think it's funny how people get angry when they hear something that is considered out of style. If you can mix 2 Unlimited or that Cher dance tune with UR and it's sounds kind of interesting why not do it? on 2/4/03 7:56 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, not even Rolando could get away with playing Final Frontier, then mixing in Hi-Tech Jazz end following that with the brilliant No Limits from 2 Unlimited
Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
Can someone define what good means? I agree that a DJ should play (and be allowed to play) ANYTHING that they think works in the context of a mix, but I don't see any point in playing crap just to get a reaction. Isn't it more of a challenge to play something off the wall and keep people ON the dance floor? From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:36:41 - To: 'spw' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) Throw people off the dance floor, you mean? Because a crap record is still a crap record no matter how you juxtapose it with another one. It might be a novelty to hear some ridiculous records mixed together the first time round but that soon palls (look at the bootleg craze), so why bother? To look clever? To annoy people? Or is this some kind of avant-garde dada experiment to challenge our expectations? ;-) -Original Message- From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:42 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) What's the challenge in mixing only good records? Mix anything that works, if you can be clever and mix a cheesy trance track with a techno track why not do it just to throw people off? on 2/4/03 7:45 AM, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would somebody want do that in the first place? ie mix a crap record with a good record. I prefer to hear a good DJ mix a good record with another good record and make them sound even better. Surely that's the whole point of mixing? -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:44 PM To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :) Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
To annoy people? Or is this some kind of avant-garde dada experiment to challenge our expectations? ;-) Entertainment Through Pain! :-)) Maybe this explains some of those terrible trance records Psychic TV ended up releasing Sean.
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I agree with Emile. I can see throwing in an abstract record...maybe a completely different tempo, or something alike...which would REALLY be a challenge. Something that just doesn't go, but with some skillz can be made to fitall the while keeping the people INTERESTED...not taken off guard. Personally, even if I hear someone mix a $hitty record wellwhen that track takes over, all I can think of is...when will it end!!! -Original Message- From: Emile Facey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:01 AM To: Robert Taylor; 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) Can someone define what good means? I agree that a DJ should play (and be allowed to play) ANYTHING that they think works in the context of a mix, but I don't see any point in playing crap just to get a reaction. Isn't it more of a challenge to play something off the wall and keep people ON the dance floor? From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:36:41 - To: 'spw' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) Throw people off the dance floor, you mean? Because a crap record is still a crap record no matter how you juxtapose it with another one. It might be a novelty to hear some ridiculous records mixed together the first time round but that soon palls (look at the bootleg craze), so why bother? To look clever? To annoy people? Or is this some kind of avant-garde dada experiment to challenge our expectations? ;-) -Original Message- From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:42 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) What's the challenge in mixing only good records? Mix anything that works, if you can be clever and mix a cheesy trance track with a techno track why not do it just to throw people off? on 2/4/03 7:45 AM, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would somebody want do that in the first place? ie mix a crap record with a good record. I prefer to hear a good DJ mix a good record with another good record and make them sound even better. Surely that's the whole point of mixing? -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:44 PM To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :) Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i quite like no limits by 2unlimited and zombie nation---its all tongue in cheek anyway /serious fab - Original Message - From: Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'spw' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) Your taking a piss out of us, right? I really did mu best not to respond to this but i am really wondering of you have ever been into a club on planet earth at all? also i am really depressed now because 2 of the 3 records mentioned are dutch :) kj -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 4 februari 2003 14:49 Aan: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) I always thought it would be cool to throw in something like 2 Unlimited or James Brown Is Dead with that Knights Of The Jaguar Sony rip off like in middle of a deep techno set just to watch peoples reaction. music is only sound waves i think it's funny how people get angry when they hear something that is considered out of style. If you can mix 2 Unlimited or that Cher dance tune with UR and it's sounds kind of interesting why not do it? on 2/4/03 7:56 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, not even Rolando could get away with playing Final Frontier, then mixing in Hi-Tech Jazz end following that with the brilliant No Limits from 2 Unlimited -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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I always thought it would be cool to throw in something like 2 Unlimited or James Brown Is Dead with that Knights Of The Jaguar Sony rip off like in middle of a deep techno set just to watch peoples reaction. music is only sound waves Music is only soundwaves? Well that can not be true, if that is true then me farting would be music??? Hmm i feel a new hit record coming up :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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There already is: Freakwincey - I Farted on Rephlex! -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:16 PM To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) I always thought it would be cool to throw in something like 2 Unlimited or James Brown Is Dead with that Knights Of The Jaguar Sony rip off like in middle of a deep techno set just to watch peoples reaction. music is only sound waves Music is only soundwaves? Well that can not be true, if that is true then me farting would be music??? Hmm i feel a new hit record coming up :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's scary! lol Don't tell me we're THAT short on new sounds to use! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:17 AM To: 'Jongsma, K.J.'; 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) There already is: Freakwincey - I Farted on Rephlex! -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:16 PM To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) I always thought it would be cool to throw in something like 2 Unlimited or James Brown Is Dead with that Knights Of The Jaguar Sony rip off like in middle of a deep techno set just to watch peoples reaction. music is only sound waves Music is only soundwaves? Well that can not be true, if that is true then me farting would be music??? Hmm i feel a new hit record coming up :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well techno isn't known for having a sense of humour sadly. I think this is very true! I think this is the reason a lot of techno purists can't accept records such as 'Zombie Nation' Personally, I thought it was alright (Not a classic mind, but acceptable.) G
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well techno isn't known for having a sense of humour sadly. crap... If you want humor go to a comedy club :) Just tell me one type of music that has humor, keeping in mind that most techno records don't have lyrics... I think this is very true! I think this is the reason a lot of techno purists can't accept records such as 'Zombie Nation' That has nothing to do with humor, that is just a question of taste Personally, I thought it was alright (Not a classic mind, but acceptable.) I rather hear that then some new euro-trance record for sure :) -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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Just tell me one type of music that has humor Producers can have a sense of humour, be tongue in cheek. Look at Mr.Scruff. I'm sure there are many other examples but I just can't think of them right now! ;o) G
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The Aphex Twin and much of Rephlex's output has a sense of humour and not just in the track titles, but in the quirkiness of the sound. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:35 PM To: Jongsma, K.J. Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Fabrizio Nahum; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) Just tell me one type of music that has humor Producers can have a sense of humour, be tongue in cheek. Look at Mr.Scruff. I'm sure there are many other examples but I just can't think of them right now! ;o) G Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think it's time we all stopped being like Pavlovian dogs - immediately reacting in a predictable way when someone presses the 'wind-up' button! k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:23 PM To: Fabrizio Nahum Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) well techno isn't known for having a sense of humour sadly. I think this is very true! I think this is the reason a lot of techno purists can't accept records such as 'Zombie Nation' Personally, I thought it was alright (Not a classic mind, but acceptable.) G
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Just tell me one type of music that has humor well, maybe youre right, in that there might not be WHOLE genres of music that have a sense of humour but you can definitely find individual bands or artists belonging to certain types of music in which you can find humour. i'd say electroclash and punk (btw, i detest the former and stopped listening to the latter) fab - Original Message - From: Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fabrizio Nahum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) well techno isn't known for having a sense of humour sadly. crap... If you want humor go to a comedy club :) Just tell me one type of music that has humor, keeping in mind that most techno records don't have lyrics... I think this is very true! I think this is the reason a lot of techno purists can't accept records such as 'Zombie Nation' That has nothing to do with humor, that is just a question of taste Personally, I thought it was alright (Not a classic mind, but acceptable.) I rather hear that then some new euro-trance record for sure :) -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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Sharevari has humor, Wizard mixes as well... well techno isn't known for having a sense of humour sadly.
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lolit IS getting ridiculous huh. Like we all don't have better things to do. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fabrizio Nahum Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) I think it's time we all stopped being like Pavlovian dogs - immediately reacting in a predictable way when someone presses the 'wind-up' button! k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:23 PM To: Fabrizio Nahum Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) well techno isn't known for having a sense of humour sadly. I think this is very true! I think this is the reason a lot of techno purists can't accept records such as 'Zombie Nation' Personally, I thought it was alright (Not a classic mind, but acceptable.) G
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Granted, sometimes an imaginiative mix can make you re-evaluate a record that you had previously dismissed, especially if it completely contrasts/clashs with the other record but as you say, to mix crap in just to make a splash is lame IMHO. -Original Message- From: Emile Facey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:01 PM To: Robert Taylor; 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) Can someone define what good means? I agree that a DJ should play (and be allowed to play) ANYTHING that they think works in the context of a mix, but I don't see any point in playing crap just to get a reaction. Isn't it more of a challenge to play something off the wall and keep people ON the dance floor? From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:36:41 - To: 'spw' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) Throw people off the dance floor, you mean? Because a crap record is still a crap record no matter how you juxtapose it with another one. It might be a novelty to hear some ridiculous records mixed together the first time round but that soon palls (look at the bootleg craze), so why bother? To look clever? To annoy people? Or is this some kind of avant-garde dada experiment to challenge our expectations? ;-) -Original Message- From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:42 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) What's the challenge in mixing only good records? Mix anything that works, if you can be clever and mix a cheesy trance track with a techno track why not do it just to throw people off? on 2/4/03 7:45 AM, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would somebody want do that in the first place? ie mix a crap record with a good record. I prefer to hear a good DJ mix a good record with another good record and make them sound even better. Surely that's the whole point of mixing? -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:44 PM To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. No he can't :) Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't know what a Pavlovian dog is, I just thought the discussion was interesting wanted to join in ! Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/02/2003 15:34:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fabrizio Nahum [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) I think it's time we all stopped being like Pavlovian dogs - immediately reacting in a predictable way when someone presses the 'wind-up' button! k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:23 PM To: Fabrizio Nahum Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) well techno isn't known for having a sense of humour sadly. I think this is very true! I think this is the reason a lot of techno purists can't accept records such as 'Zombie Nation' Personally, I thought it was alright (Not a classic mind, but acceptable.) G
SV: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
lolit IS getting ridiculous huh. Like we all don't have better things to do. I'm at work, me. So no, nothing better to do! =)
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Personally I like mixing records with strange rhythms or records with very different tempos. They are good records that are challenging to mix. Trance crap is much easier to mix because is just so 4/4. Whats the challenge in playing bad records? :-Original Message- :From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:42 PM :To: 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) : :What's the challenge in mixing only good records? :Mix anything that works, if you can be clever and mix a cheesy :trance track with a techno track why not do it just to throw people :off? : : :on 2/4/03 7:45 AM, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : Why would somebody want do that in the first place? ie mix a crap record : with a good record. : I prefer to hear a good DJ mix a good record with another good record and : make them sound even better. : Surely that's the whole point of mixing? : : -Original Message- : From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:44 PM : To: 'spw'; 313@hyperreal.org : Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) : : : a good dj can : mix a Paul : Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground : techno record : and make it sound cool. : : No he can't :)
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| -Original Message- | From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:47 PM | | You know, I think techno has a point here - UK members - remember: The | Tweets The Birdie Song also The Flying Pickets and Black Lace? Actually, the Flying Pickets might actually work in a Din Da Da sort of way...! Brendan
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Well, you have to understand that there is a DEMAND for records with that pumped up sound, when most records are like this, records that are NOT tend to sound rather quiet and may unintentionally lower the energy. I guess I don't see anything wrong with making pumped up records if you are making them for club DJ's to play out in peak hour sets. A track made more for home listening or a deeper less aggresive set should probably not be made that way of course. Dance music does have a functional aspect, and I don't think one should say a record made for a peak hour type set can't still be good. The aesthetic of such records seems appropriate to their function... /dave -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 8:47 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: spw Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) I agree. These technologies can be used to good effect, it's just that I think they're (unwittingly) used to take away some grit and dynamic range which you often hear in more soulful stuff, particularly the best Detroit stuff. (Though by no means all Detroit stuff - I am not into lazy generalisations based on geography.) When you're using nice kit, it can be tempting to make it sound as loud and pumped as possible, and I guess that this is what I hear a lot when I go record shopping, just over-indulgence, coupled with a lack of innovation and/or musicality. As for the Oakenfold thingeach to their own ;-) Just kidding! - Original Message - From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) I can understand where people are going with the dry productions but Pro-Tools and 'DIGITAL' music can sound really cool depending on how you produce it. Of course the typical prog-house, trance production has a cheap digial quality to it with clean effects and reverb but a good dj can mix a Paul Okenfold record or some pop dance record with an underground techno record and make it sound cool. on 2/3/03 9:59 AM, Andrew at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis, Ah, well I meant no offense. When he said it he seemed pretty amused, (I was talking to him about the possibility of mastering some of stuff, like thousands of others) and we both chuckled at the idea of just lathering in saturation, just for sake of sounding like ''whoever'' - it wasn't a Deep Chord release we talked about, I'd rather not name names. But I still think it's lame - it's like BC never happened. Anyway, the reason I posted was to hopefully spur a conversation about the total overproduction of music, which this thread had drifted on to. It seems like so many releases are guilty of digitising the soul out of the music, which could be due to the tendency to over-compress, normalize every sample (or the stereo master), or to get the mastering guy to take all the dynamic range out of a track by pumping it beyond measure. Pro-Tools is a definite culprit in giving releases a homogenous 'sound', unless your careful. Also with the advent of units like the Finalizer, more people are pre-mastering, which only aggravates the problem. It all makes for cool peak-time stormers, but for music with a little ''soul'', it can be a problem, in my opinion. What's interesting is that hip hop guys manages to imbue their music with a lot of spirit and soul and funk, while at the same time using whatever effects they can to pump up the music and make it louder, which his maybe due to their original sound sources, but also their unwillingness to be trapped into quantization and program beats in a different way. So maybe dance guys need to stop using sound modules and Roland kit, and open the net sound-wise? I'm just intersted in people's opinions, I've been dying to talk about this with intelligent people for a while now, and I'm not interested in being ''right'' - just talking about it. thanks, Andrew
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Ha ha ha, well, this thread has certainly gone off on a right tangent, very funny. It's true that a lot DJs I hear in London could do with displaying a little bit of humour and ingenuity, rather than mixing one record into another, ad nauseum. I think this links in with what I originally meant with this thread, which was to get opinion about boring tunes which rely on the Pro-Tools factor to come off, rather than actual funk - and not just 'syncopation', actual REAL funk, displaying something different in their track. It seems to me that a lot of the DJs I refer to above play exactly these records, or maybe I'm just getting too cynical... I suppose I'll come out and say that the main culprits are supposed 'techno' and especially 'tech-house' records/DJs, I never fail to be bored to tears going through the new releases, and this probably mirrors a lot of list-members' experiences. The talk at the beginning about Suburban Knight's releases having that bit of grime in there made me think - what do I prefer? As Ken said at the start, too much grit is bad for club systems, and I guess what a lot of my favourites do is find a happy medium, between rough and smooth. I think a lot of disco records are an inspiration in this regard because they still sound massive next to todays recordings. I know the feeling when you play a track which you love, and you realise it has a great big wooly hum from 70Hz downwards, completely masking other elements in the track. Maybe the mixtape is the saviour of these kinds of mixes, where you can put more obscure, less 'well-produced' stuff on a mix. Am I stating the bleedin' obvious? And now the race is on to do a house version of the Flying Pickets - dedicated to the fire-fighters, eh? Miami's coming upor an electroclash version of the Birdie Song? - Original Message - From: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) | -Original Message- | From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:47 PM | | You know, I think techno has a point here - UK members - remember: The | Tweets The Birdie Song also The Flying Pickets and Black Lace? Actually, the Flying Pickets might actually work in a Din Da Da sort of way...! Brendan
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Strangely enough I have been doing precisely this when I spin... I can't rememer the last time I spun a pure house or techno or tech-house or whatever set without throwing in at least a couple odd records - whether new wave, disco, funk, soul or even as some people have mentioned early rave classics like James Brown is Dead or O Fortuna even. The response I get tends to be pretty good but then again I am not playing at huge super clubs but at tiny little crappy bars where the people are into the music and not there for any other reason. I find that this keeps me interested in what I am doing and tends to keep the crowd a bit on their toes if they don't know whether to expect a techno record or Blondie next. Anyway I think I have started to do this in response to the mediocrity and same-ness of techno, tech-house, etc records that seem to have swamped the market over the past several years. Just my $0.02. At 09:07 PM 2/4/2003 +, Andrew wrote: Ha ha ha, well, this thread has certainly gone off on a right tangent, very funny. It's true that a lot DJs I hear in London could do with displaying a little bit of humour and ingenuity, rather than mixing one record into another, ad nauseum. I think this links in with what I originally meant with this thread, which was to get opinion about boring tunes which rely on the Pro-Tools factor to come off, rather than actual funk - and not just 'syncopation', actual REAL funk, displaying something different in their track. It seems to me that a lot of the DJs I refer to above play exactly these records, or maybe I'm just getting too cynical... I suppose I'll come out and say that the main culprits are supposed 'techno' and especially 'tech-house' records/DJs, I never fail to be bored to tears going through the new releases, and this probably mirrors a lot of list-members' experiences. The talk at the beginning about Suburban Knight's releases having that bit of grime in there made me think - what do I prefer? As Ken said at the start, too much grit is bad for club systems, and I guess what a lot of my favourites do is find a happy medium, between rough and smooth. I think a lot of disco records are an inspiration in this regard because they still sound massive next to todays recordings. I know the feeling when you play a track which you love, and you realise it has a great big wooly hum from 70Hz downwards, completely masking other elements in the track. Maybe the mixtape is the saviour of these kinds of mixes, where you can put more obscure, less 'well-produced' stuff on a mix. Am I stating the bleedin' obvious? And now the race is on to do a house version of the Flying Pickets - dedicated to the fire-fighters, eh? Miami's coming upor an electroclash version of the Birdie Song? - Original Message - From: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: RE: (313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) | -Original Message- | From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:47 PM | | You know, I think techno has a point here - UK members - remember: The | Tweets The Birdie Song also The Flying Pickets and Black Lace? Actually, the Flying Pickets might actually work in a Din Da Da sort of way...! Brendan
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i've always loved house and techno for their minimalism--a few bits of roland equipment and a four track reel to reel. i find most contemporary tracks to be as overproduced as any bit of prog. house/trance. it's a challenge to spend any money when i go record shopping. instead, i've taken to re-editing older tracks and saving my money for final scratch. james Wibo Lammert: As to the Mastering: Those first 2 transmats of his sounds like sh*t. That Dark Energy doublepack sounds a whole lot better. Gotta disagree wth u for the first time old bean (let's not make a habit of this ;-) - My opinion is that 'Art of Stalking' along with many other seminal Detroit techno (which implies a particular period) benefitted, purposefully or not, from the ironic lack of the latest technology at all points of the production process. Those trax sound grimy, glitchy, scratchy and minimal, sometimes even the sequencing is a bit suspect. But somehow (I admit, I'm not sure how) often, all those elements came together to form an unmistable kind of human touch which proved there really was a ghost in the machine (called soul.) k
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Gotta agree with you both - it's getting hard to find new releases that don't sound super slick - techno, house, what have you. Especially anything tagged tech-house. Blech. I like to hear some intrinsic errors in the music - it makes it sound like someone is actually behind the work. There are countless tunes out there that sound so professional yet they lack any sense of a heartbeat. Take just about anything off the Wiggle label, for example. Everything is too clean and smooth - they compensate with a phat bassline but the real funk is missing. Give me some ruff cut samples ala Todd Edwards/Todd Terry any old day. MEK James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org com.au cc: Subject: Re: (313) Suburban Knight 02/03/03 11:20 PM i've always loved house and techno for their minimalism--a few bits of roland equipment and a four track reel to reel. i find most contemporary tracks to be as overproduced as any bit of prog. house/trance. it's a challenge to spend any money when i go record shopping. instead, i've taken to re-editing older tracks and saving my money for final scratch. james Wibo Lammert: As to the Mastering: Those first 2 transmats of his sounds like sh*t. That Dark Energy doublepack sounds a whole lot better. Gotta disagree wth u for the first time old bean (let's not make a habit of this ;-) - My opinion is that 'Art of Stalking' along with many other seminal Detroit techno (which implies a particular period) benefitted, purposefully or not, from the ironic lack of the latest technology at all points of the production process. Those trax sound grimy, glitchy, scratchy and minimal, sometimes even the sequencing is a bit suspect. But somehow (I admit, I'm not sure how) often, all those elements came together to form an unmistable kind of human touch which proved there really was a ghost in the machine (called soul.) k
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On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 02:13:35 +1100, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Interesting you say that, I thought the same when I was playing a Theo Parrish compilation this weekend, one track didn't sound as clear as it could be but it actually enhanced it. Made it sound 'old', in a good way. I think hip-hop brought in the idea of textured recordings. I like it too. Further to this, whether it was rumour or not, but I 'heard' that Maurizio would do 'destructive' things to his DAT/Audio tapes. Things like spraying hairspray on them to give them even dirtier, trashed out sounds. Believable, considering the sounds tha Maurizio would make. Another question, are we ever going to hear any more M records? Correct me if I'm wrong, but was the Basic Channel reshape of Carl Craig's The Climax the last work he did? -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net
(313) Rhythm Sound / Maurizio (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
Yeah, I know what you mean - so many people bite them since BC, we've become used to hearing second-rate copy artists. A new techno record would be nice, but it seems like it's reggae only at the minute. I guess that's why I was so happy when the CC remix came out, it being an actual ''techno'' track recorded quite recently...not that I'm complaining about the reggae stuff, it's super nice!! You get the odd excursion on RS as wellslight tangent - does anyone know of any releases by Basic Channel that aren't generally known? Maybe uncredited productions? Notebooks out, trainspotters - Original Message - From: Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:26 AM Subject: Re: (313) Suburban Knight Ahh yes, I always forget the Burial Mix and Rhythm and Sound stuff. I suppose I was more angling for music with a slightly increased tempo, like that he's done in the past. Benn On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 04:03:05 -, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You should check the recent releases on Rhythm Sound and Burial Mix. Groovetech.com has soundclips. - Original Message - From: Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:50 AM Subject: RE: (313) Suburban Knight On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 02:13:35 +1100, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Interesting you say that, I thought the same when I was playing a Theo Parrish compilation this weekend, one track didn't sound as clear as it could be but it actually enhanced it. Made it sound 'old', in a good way. I think hip-hop brought in the idea of textured recordings. I like it too. Further to this, whether it was rumour or not, but I 'heard' that Maurizio would do 'destructive' things to his DAT/Audio tapes. Things like spraying hairspray on them to give them even dirtier, trashed out sounds. Believable, considering the sounds tha Maurizio would make. Another question, are we ever going to hear any more M records? Correct me if I'm wrong, but was the Basic Channel reshape of Carl Craig's The Climax the last work he did? -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net
Re: (313) Rhythm Sound / Maurizio (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
But isn't that the problem? Even though these records are nice (I'll probably like the one you recommend!) maybe we should be expecting a little bit more from artists? A prime example of taking the sound forward was Isolee's 'Beat Mon Plage' - it's that kind of track I'm always waiting to hear. What do you think? I'm just sick of people (i.e. media, DJs) accepting unimaginative BC-derived tracks, just cause they ''work'' - there's too many of them. Just my opinion - Original Message - From: Batory, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Andrew' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:37 AM Subject: RE: (313) Rhythm Sound / Maurizio (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) well there are always new records that are in the bc/cr vein, one in particular that is doing it for me being: sensual physics : offene schleifen lp [source, germany] v. nice indeed. jasonb -- From: Andrew[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 3 February 2003 12:33 PM To: Benn Glazier Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Rhythm Sound / Maurizio (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight) Yeah, I know what you mean - so many people bite them since BC, we've become used to hearing second-rate copy artists. A new techno record would be nice, but it seems like it's reggae only at the minute. I guess that's why I was so happy when the CC remix came out, it being an actual ''techno'' track recorded quite recently...not that I'm complaining about the reggae stuff, it's super nice!! You get the odd excursion on RS as wellslight tangent - does anyone know of any releases by Basic Channel that aren't generally known? Maybe uncredited productions? Notebooks out, trainspotters - Original Message - From: Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:26 AM Subject: Re: (313) Suburban Knight Ahh yes, I always forget the Burial Mix and Rhythm and Sound stuff. I suppose I was more angling for music with a slightly increased tempo, like that he's done in the past. Benn On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 04:03:05 -, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You should check the recent releases on Rhythm Sound and Burial Mix. Groovetech.com has soundclips. - Original Message - From: Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:50 AM Subject: RE: (313) Suburban Knight On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 02:13:35 +1100, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Interesting you say that, I thought the same when I was playing a Theo Parrish compilation this weekend, one track didn't sound as clear as it could be but it actually enhanced it. Made it sound 'old', in a good way. I think hip-hop brought in the idea of textured recordings. I like it too. Further to this, whether it was rumour or not, but I 'heard' that Maurizio would do 'destructive' things to his DAT/Audio tapes. Things like spraying hairspray on them to give them even dirtier, trashed out sounds. Believable, considering the sounds tha Maurizio would make. Another question, are we ever going to hear any more M records? Correct me if I'm wrong, but was the Basic Channel reshape of Carl Craig's The Climax the last work he did? -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net
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Isolee's 'Beat Mon Plage' - it's that kind of track I'm always waiting to hear. What do you think? '*Beau* Mot Plage' - less well-know (sort of) BC production: Time Unlimited - Men From Wadodem. k
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Actually - Ron was just talking about one of these instances, and it was for Deepchord. It was not to sound like Jeff Mills, but rather to give it more noise in the background. -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:54 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Fw: (313) Suburban Knight hear hear - too much pro tools, over-production, or over-mastering. That's why I keep buying Detroit, cause the producers remember to keep the grime in there. I heard stories about people asking Ron Murphy to blend in tape noise from a seperate channel so it can ''sound like Jeff Mills'' - how lame is that? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org; Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:14 AM Subject: Re: (313) Suburban Knight Gotta agree with you both - it's getting hard to find new releases that don't sound super slick - techno, house, what have you. Especially anything tagged tech-house. Blech. I like to hear some intrinsic errors in the music - it makes it sound like someone is actually behind the work. There are countless tunes out there that sound so professional yet they lack any sense of a heartbeat. Take just about anything off the Wiggle label, for example. Everything is too clean and smooth - they compensate with a phat bassline but the real funk is missing. Give me some ruff cut samples ala Todd Edwards/Todd Terry any old day. MEK James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org com.au cc: Subject: Re: (313) Suburban Knight 02/03/03 11:20 PM i've always loved house and techno for their minimalism--a few bits of roland equipment and a four track reel to reel. i find most contemporary tracks to be as overproduced as any bit of prog. house/trance. it's a challenge to spend any money when i go record shopping. instead, i've taken to re-editing older tracks and saving my money for final scratch. james Wibo Lammert: As to the Mastering: Those first 2 transmats of his sounds like sh*t. That Dark Energy doublepack sounds a whole lot better. Gotta disagree wth u for the first time old bean (let's not make a habit of this ;-) - My opinion is that 'Art of Stalking' along with many other seminal Detroit techno (which implies a particular period) benefitted, purposefully or not, from the ironic lack of the latest technology at all points of the production process. Those trax sound grimy, glitchy, scratchy and minimal, sometimes even the sequencing is a bit suspect. But somehow (I admit, I'm not sure how) often, all those elements came together to form an unmistable kind of human touch which proved there really was a ghost in the machine (called soul.) k
(313) Over-production (WAS - Re: (313) Suburban Knight)
Dennis, Ah, well I meant no offense. When he said it he seemed pretty amused, (I was talking to him about the possibility of mastering some of stuff, like thousands of others) and we both chuckled at the idea of just lathering in saturation, just for sake of sounding like ''whoever'' - it wasn't a Deep Chord release we talked about, I'd rather not name names. But I still think it's lame - it's like BC never happened. Anyway, the reason I posted was to hopefully spur a conversation about the total overproduction of music, which this thread had drifted on to. It seems like so many releases are guilty of digitising the soul out of the music, which could be due to the tendency to over-compress, normalize every sample (or the stereo master), or to get the mastering guy to take all the dynamic range out of a track by pumping it beyond measure. Pro-Tools is a definite culprit in giving releases a homogenous 'sound', unless your careful. Also with the advent of units like the Finalizer, more people are pre-mastering, which only aggravates the problem. It all makes for cool peak-time stormers, but for music with a little ''soul'', it can be a problem, in my opinion. What's interesting is that hip hop guys manages to imbue their music with a lot of spirit and soul and funk, while at the same time using whatever effects they can to pump up the music and make it louder, which his maybe due to their original sound sources, but also their unwillingness to be trapped into quantization and program beats in a different way. So maybe dance guys need to stop using sound modules and Roland kit, and open the net sound-wise? I'm just intersted in people's opinions, I've been dying to talk about this with intelligent people for a while now, and I'm not interested in being ''right'' - just talking about it. thanks, Andrew - Original Message - From: Dennis Donohue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Andrew' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: RE: (313) Suburban Knight Actually - Ron was just talking about one of these instances, and it was for Deepchord. It was not to sound like Jeff Mills, but rather to give it more noise in the background. -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:54 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Fw: (313) Suburban Knight hear hear - too much pro tools, over-production, or over-mastering. That's why I keep buying Detroit, cause the producers remember to keep the grime in there. I heard stories about people asking Ron Murphy to blend in tape noise from a seperate channel so it can ''sound like Jeff Mills'' - how lame is that? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org; Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:14 AM Subject: Re: (313) Suburban Knight Gotta agree with you both - it's getting hard to find new releases that don't sound super slick - techno, house, what have you. Especially anything tagged tech-house. Blech. I like to hear some intrinsic errors in the music - it makes it sound like someone is actually behind the work. There are countless tunes out there that sound so professional yet they lack any sense of a heartbeat. Take just about anything off the Wiggle label, for example. Everything is too clean and smooth - they compensate with a phat bassline but the real funk is missing. Give me some ruff cut samples ala Todd Edwards/Todd Terry any old day. MEK James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org com.au cc: Subject: Re: (313) Suburban Knight 02/03/03 11:20 PM i've always loved house and techno for their minimalism--a few bits of roland equipment and a four track reel to reel. i find most contemporary tracks to be as overproduced as any bit of prog. house/trance. it's a challenge to spend any money when i go record shopping. instead, i've taken to re-editing older tracks and saving my money for final scratch. james Wibo Lammert: As to the Mastering: Those first 2 transmats of his sounds like sh*t. That Dark Energy doublepack sounds a whole lot better. Gotta disagree wth u for the first time old bean (let's not make a habit of this ;-) - My opinion is that 'Art of Stalking' along with many other seminal Detroit techno (which implies a particular period) benefitted, purposefully or not, from the ironic lack of the latest technology at all points of the production process. Those trax sound
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I have the bronze Transmat MS-03 on on flimsy vinyl (not thick vinyl) and the poduction and mastering sound good. House groove makes ya moovee... h that's hot... The Suburban Knight The Groove Transmat MS-03 on 1/31/03 2:39 AM, Wibo Lammerts at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those first 2 transmats of his sounds like sh*t.
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Interesting you say that, I thought the same when I was playing a Theo Parrish compilation this weekend, one track didn't sound as clear as it could be but it actually enhanced it. Made it sound 'old', in a good way. I think hip-hop brought in the idea of textured recordings. I like it too. Wibo Lammert: As to the Mastering: Those first 2 transmats of his sounds like sh*t. That Dark Energy doublepack sounds a whole lot better. Gotta disagree wth u for the first time old bean (let's not make a habit of this ;-) - My opinion is that 'Art of Stalking' along with many other seminal Detroit techno (which implies a particular period) benefitted, purposefully or not, from the ironic lack of the latest technology at all points of the production process. Those trax sound grimy, glitchy, scratchy and minimal, sometimes even the sequencing is a bit suspect. But somehow (I admit, I'm not sure how) often, all those elements came together to form an unmistable kind of human touch which proved there really was a ghost in the machine (called soul.) k
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sigh What's the use of making an album that contains 10 year old music? Why not produce a few tracks more and make an album that is entirely based on new material? -Original Message- From: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 30 januari 2003 17:50 To: 313 mailing list Subject: (313) Suburban Knight Just found out that his debut album (!) will be released April 14th. It includes 'The Art Of Stalking', 'Nocturbulous Behaviour' 'Midnite Sunshine' (from the Dark Energy doublepack), plus new material. That's all I know. TOM
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What's the use of making an album that contains 10 year old music? Why not produce a few tracks more and make an album that is entirely based on new material? Maybe because these tracks are timless and deserve to be put on a full length album? Personally i always thought that Midnite Sunshine never got the exposure i deserved, that track is definitely one of his best pieces of music. It sounds like it is mastered from an old cassette tape btw. :) kj -Original Message- From: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 30 januari 2003 17:50 To: 313 mailing list Subject: (313) Suburban Knight Just found out that his debut album (!) will be released April 14th. It includes 'The Art Of Stalking', 'Nocturbulous Behaviour' 'Midnite Sunshine' (from the Dark Energy doublepack), plus new material. That's all I know. TOM -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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As to the album: the point I am trying to make is this: Art of Stalking came out about 10 years ago? My guess is that any serious techno lover already has these tracks on seperate twelves, Derrick used to repress all the early transmats on a regular basis. So are they trying to reach new people here? As to the Mastering: Those first 2 transmats of his sounds like sh*t. That Dark Energy doublepack sounds a whole lot better. W -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 31 januari 2003 9:33 To: 'Wibo Lammerts'; 'Tom Robbins/Magic Feet'; 313 mailing list Subject: RE: (313) Suburban Knight What's the use of making an album that contains 10 year old music? Why not produce a few tracks more and make an album that is entirely based on new material? Maybe because these tracks are timless and deserve to be put on a full length album? Personally i always thought that Midnite Sunshine never got the exposure i deserved, that track is definitely one of his best pieces of music. It sounds like it is mastered from an old cassette tape btw. :) kj -Original Message- From: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 30 januari 2003 17:50 To: 313 mailing list Subject: (313) Suburban Knight Just found out that his debut album (!) will be released April 14th. It includes 'The Art Of Stalking', 'Nocturbulous Behaviour' 'Midnite Sunshine' (from the Dark Energy doublepack), plus new material. That's all I know. TOM -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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K.J. Jongsma: It sounds like it is mastered from an old cassette tape btw. :) Yeah, I used to think it was my not-top-of-the-range 'surround sound' (in technicolor) system that was to blame, then I heard it out once and realized that the bass really is barely audible! Just proves that the lack of technical polish doesn't detract from a fine track's excellence. k
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Wibo Lammert: As to the Mastering: Those first 2 transmats of his sounds like sh*t. That Dark Energy doublepack sounds a whole lot better. Gotta disagree wth u for the first time old bean (let's not make a habit of this ;-) - My opinion is that 'Art of Stalking' along with many other seminal Detroit techno (which implies a particular period) benefitted, purposefully or not, from the ironic lack of the latest technology at all points of the production process. Those trax sound grimy, glitchy, scratchy and minimal, sometimes even the sequencing is a bit suspect. But somehow (I admit, I'm not sure how) often, all those elements came together to form an unmistable kind of human touch which proved there really was a ghost in the machine (called soul.) k
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Wibo Lammerts wrote on Fri, 31 Jan 2003 about following: As to the Mastering: Those first 2 transmats of his sounds like sh*t. That Dark Energy doublepack sounds a whole lot better. art of stalking actually does sound better than dark energy doublepack which has rather muffled bass (it sounds like worn out c-tape like someone mentioned). sakke -- - * remixes out now * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
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From: Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe because these tracks are timless and deserve to be put on a full length album? Agreed, which is why there should be more re-presses of the original EP's so you can hear the tracks in their original context. New Album should be new tracks IMHO.
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Why not produce a few tracks more and make an album that is entirely based on new material? Maybe he didn't feel like it. His rate and quality of output over the years suggests that he makes tracks as he feels them, rather than just to fill space on releases... Sean.
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true. -Original Message- From: Sean Creen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 31 januari 2003 10:19 To: Wibo Lammerts; 'Tom Robbins/Magic Feet'; 313 mailing list Subject: RE: (313) Suburban Knight Why not produce a few tracks more and make an album that is entirely based on new material? Maybe he didn't feel like it. His rate and quality of output over the years suggests that he makes tracks as he feels them, rather than just to fill space on releases... Sean.
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I did not say I did'nt like them... And the good thing is... I guess that all those early transmats got at least 4 or 5 represses, but they never took the time to redo them. So if you gonna buy a Transmat Classics of The Groove, it still sounds like the way it should sound. :) W -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 31 januari 2003 9:59 To: Wibo Lammerts; 'Jongsma, K.J.'; 'Tom Robbins/Magic Feet'; 313 mailing list Subject: RE: (313) Suburban Knight Wibo Lammert: As to the Mastering: Those first 2 transmats of his sounds like sh*t. That Dark Energy doublepack sounds a whole lot better. Gotta disagree wth u for the first time old bean (let's not make a habit of this ;-) - My opinion is that 'Art of Stalking' along with many other seminal Detroit techno (which implies a particular period) benefitted, purposefully or not, from the ironic lack of the latest technology at all points of the production process. Those trax sound grimy, glitchy, scratchy and minimal, sometimes even the sequencing is a bit suspect. But somehow (I admit, I'm not sure how) often, all those elements came together to form an unmistable kind of human touch which proved there really was a ghost in the machine (called soul.) k
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Speaking of Suburban Knight, Could somebody give me a quick review of the collaboration he did with Locutus on 'Oblivion' (Bipolar) .Thanks.
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Wibo LammertsI did not say I did'nt like them... But you as good as did man! I think the Detroit Music Appreciation Police would be very interested to hear of this! ;-D k
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naaah, most of the trax records sound like sh*t too, but I really love Acid Trax when it sounds like someone treated the record with sandpaper! -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 31 januari 2003 11:11 To: Wibo Lammerts; 'Jongsma, K.J.'; 'Tom Robbins/Magic Feet'; 313 mailing list Subject: RE: (313) Suburban Knight Wibo LammertsI did not say I did'nt like them... But you as good as did man! I think the Detroit Music Appreciation Police would be very interested to hear of this! ;-D k
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wasn't 'the art of stalking' originally know as 'the music institute anthem' or something like that? or was that the worlds? in that case those tracks are pre-90's [1988?] and weren't those early detroit releases still edited on tape? [for lack of enough memory on computers, etc.] 'cause in that case it's no surprise they sound like they were recorded from tape. jurren _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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Like all Fnac releases around that time it was available on vinyl AND CD-single. Very poor remixes imho W -Original Message- From: D.E [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 4 oktober 2002 1:53 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:(313) Suburban Knight WAS:RE: (313) 3 posts in one The Navarre mixes of Suburban Knights Art of Stalking. So is this available on 12 ? ? I asked before and got no answer, this must mean it exists though.. d
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On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 01:52:58 +0200, D.E [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The Navarre mixes of Suburban Knights Art of Stalking. So is this available on 12 ? ? I asked before and got no answer, this must mean it exists though.. This was released on FNAC. Memory is very rusty on this one, but I think it was 3 mixes plus original. Label artwork had a big silver Transmat logo. Release in around 93(?) r./ -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net
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On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 01:52:58 +0200, D.E [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The Navarre mixes of Suburban Knights Art of Stalking. So is this available on 12 ? ? I asked before and got no answer, this must mean it exists though.. This was released on FNAC. Memory is very rusty on this one, but I think it was 3 mixes plus original. Label artwork had a big silver Transmat logo. Release in around 93(?) r./ -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net -- http://fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html
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I will have to dig a little, but I think I have a CD single with those, cover is an abstract and very colourful painting Gwendal -Original Message- From: Benn Glazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:23 AM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Suburban Knight WAS:RE: (313) 3 posts in one On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 01:52:58 +0200, D.E [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The Navarre mixes of Suburban Knights Art of Stalking. So is this available on 12 ? ? I asked before and got no answer, this must mean it exists though.. This was released on FNAC. Memory is very rusty on this one, but I think it was 3 mixes plus original. Label artwork had a big silver Transmat logo. Release in around 93(?) r./ -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net -- http://fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html
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Pesonally I didn't like it much... It came out the same time as acid eiffel and soofle.. Also on fnac and in my opinion it just cut up the original losing all of its dark overpowering loomingness that 'the worlds' had Correct me if I am wrong but that track isn't 'trhe art of stalking' it is the worlds... On the 1st orange pressing on transmat it is labelled up correctly.. On the second..(black w/silver shield) the labels are the othewr way around... Correct me if I am wrong... I know its abit analk for 1st thing on a Friday... But I think I am still drunk so a rant is in order On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 01:52:58 +0200, D.E [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The Navarre mixes of Suburban Knights Art of Stalking. So is this available on 12 ? ? I asked before and got no answer, this must mean it exists though.. This was released on FNAC. Memory is very rusty on this one, but I think it was 3 mixes plus original. Label artwork had a big silver Transmat logo. Release in around 93(?) r./
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Correct me if I am wrong but that track isn't 'trhe art of stalking' it is the worlds... On the 1st orange pressing on transmat it is labelled up correctly.. On the second..(black w/silver shield) the labels are the othewr way around... Correct me if I am wrong... No, your right, or at least I think you are. I could never quite work it out myself. The remix 12 had 3 remixes and the original of the Art of Stalking. However the 3 remixes are mixes of the other track on the Transmat original. So either they put the wrong original track on the remix EP, or they called the remixes the wrong name, or Transmat got thier labels the wrong way round. Its all a bit confusing, maybe someone could ask JP and get the definitive answer. Stewart ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only £13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
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I have the original and the track that is remixed is 'the worlds' Correct me if I am wrong but that track isn't 'trhe art of stalking' it is the worlds... On the 1st orange pressing on transmat it is labelled up correctly.. On the second..(black w/silver shield) the labels are the othewr way around... Correct me if I am wrong... No, your right, or at least I think you are. I could never quite work it out myself. The remix 12 had 3 remixes and the original of the Art of Stalking. However the 3 remixes are mixes of the other track on the Transmat original. So either they put the wrong original track on the remix EP, or they called the remixes the wrong name, or Transmat got thier labels the wrong way round. Its all a bit confusing, maybe someone could ask JP and get the definitive answer. Stewart ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only £13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
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I went to this.. not many people there... which was dissapointing... this club has excellent sound and set up for techno events. He played a very smooth technical set.. not one mess up. He played quite a mix of techno, electro, influencial german stuff, and some of the stuff i didn't really care for - kind of cheesy acid stuff. in any case it was a good set, he's one of my favorite skilled djs by far. dan ito [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/23/02 16:02 PM he is in lansing tonight at the temple. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Same here! I would love to get my hands on that track! I'm not into buying over the internet and stuff, but for this one I would make an exception. John From: D.E [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: D.E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] suburban knight Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:25:57 +0100 hi, I have been looking for this for a couple of years, where can I find it (vinyl) ? ? suburban knight - art of stalking- deepside remix (ludovic navarre) thanks, d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Some pictures of a happy Suburban Knight http://www.techstylism.com/cult.html janos At 01:37 PM 2/23/2002 +0100, John Osselaer wrote: Same here! I would love to get my hands on that track! I'm not into buying over the internet and stuff, but for this one I would make an exception. John From: D.E [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: D.E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] suburban knight Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:25:57 +0100 hi, I have been looking for this for a couple of years, where can I find it (vinyl) ? ? suburban knight - art of stalking- deepside remix (ludovic navarre) thanks, d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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he is in lansing tonight at the temple. From: janos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] suburban knight Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:36:22 +0100 Some pictures of a happy Suburban Knight http://www.techstylism.com/cult.html janos At 01:37 PM 2/23/2002 +0100, John Osselaer wrote: Same here! I would love to get my hands on that track! I'm not into buying over the internet and stuff, but for this one I would make an exception. John From: D.E [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: D.E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] suburban knight Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:25:57 +0100 hi, I have been looking for this for a couple of years, where can I find it (vinyl) ? ? suburban knight - art of stalking- deepside remix (ludovic navarre) thanks, d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I know it's sad, but I need to get a track ID from anyone listening! SK just played a track with a really wild, squelchy bassline - quite old sounding - before going into Summer Funk by Purveyors of Fine Funk which is playing now... does anyone know what that last track was? | -Original Message- | From: Colette Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 1:47 PM | To: 313 | Subject: [313] Suburban knight | | | Suburban Knight on www.groovetech.com | | 2pm - 4pm GMT Today (Friday 23rd Nov) | | - | To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Damn, I second this. Excellent gig, no glowsticks, whistles, or attitude. This was one of those events that make it all worthwhile. Plus he seems like a really down to earth guy which is good. Excellent supporting dj's too, not usually the case for a lot of internationals. I'm glad he didn't play the big gig the next day with laurent, josh wink, ritchie, plus some trance guys and a whole lotta other stuff. See him if you get the chance - it's almost worth it just to see him get on down whilst mixing. ;) Dave --- benny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: saw his set last nite in perth, was absolutely blown away- starting a set with 'blue monday' is something youd think would be cool but never done in a tec/house nite, and i think the set just went up an up from there, i loved his expression whilst mixing, i think it just gave the nite something special - he was infectuos :)! anyway, just thought id post that up, quite possibly the best set ive heard this year- up amongst surgeon's, mills and mike bishop's code breaker set :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
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internationals. I'm glad he didn't play the big gig the next day with laurent, josh wink, ritchie, plus I'm not glad! That was the only chance to see the guy in Sydney! Bah... out. d. _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
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Was the big rave in Sydney or Perth? It was political reasons among promoters (or so I suspect) that meant that SK didn't play elsewhere, esp Melbourne, but I can't discuss those. It wasn't lack of interest but I suspect SK wasn't offered to interested parties, so that is the way it goes. internationals. I'm glad he didn't play the big gig the next day with laurent, josh wink, ritchie, plus I'm not glad! That was the only chance to see the guy in Sydney! Bah...
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Yeah too bad he didn't make it to the other cities. I guarantee he would get a loving crowd here. I am glad he got a nice welcome but he deserves better. But then again it's just as well someone with no love for Detroit/UR didn't do it. Vote 1: DJs Not Trophies The one that Dave spoke of was in Perth yesterday, which SK was originally billed to perform at. It was called the Delirious Summer Festival. I didn't go. I did see SK on Sat. night though, he was havin a ball behind the decks, dancing and acknowledging the crowd (I love djs who do this) whilst playing an eclectic set of house mixed into electro, mixed into techno and back again to around 200 people (max). It was... well... interesting.
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i saw him dj at tresor, berlin in july and i really enjoyed it. he had a cool record selection and played some more minimal kinda stuff along with some nice electro. i liked his mixing as well, he knew his records and was able to keep a flow during the whole set. btw, anyone who might be in zurich, switzerland at new year's eve, he will be spinning there at rohstofflager together with cari lekebusch from stockholm. peter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:42 PM Subject: [313] Suburban Knight Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but James Pennington (aka Surburban Knight as most of you are aware) is doing a DJ set tonight here in Perth and it will be quite an interesting one I'm sure. Just wondering if anyone who has seen hi DJ or live sets would like to comment. Apparently this is an Australian exclusive in the light of pulling out of a outdoor festival/gig tommorow featuring Laurent Garnier, Richie Hawtin, Josh Wink and a few others. I myself was hoping that he would do a set in a medium capacity venue instead of a huge (masses) gig, and voila he's going to do so. A_Zed - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
