Re: (313) Theo Parrish on Running Back recordings
Dope. Thanks for the heads up! On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Ken Odeluga k...@bleep43.com wrote: Digital versions have appeared at various outlets today, including Juno. (Pardon me if this was already mentioned.) Vinyl available too [Discogs isn't working for me today - there is an entry on there, but the page won't render properly.] Post about a test pressing by this Hamburg-based label, about a month ago: http://running-back-records.tumblr.com/image/28192051364 Ken Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
Re: (313) Theo Parrish Halloween Mashups.
The rest of the Pittsburgh crew and I went *buck wild* the first time we heard Theo play the amerie1luvbug mashup of Amerie's 1 Thing and Lil Louis Nyce n Slo (luvbug mix) in 2005 in Detroit at Oslo during festival weekend. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Jeffrey Richards mistamuthaf...@yahoo.com wrote: Dope Jams just put a few copies of some Theo Parrish mashups on their website. I guess these were done for their Halloween party and they didn't sell out, so we get to try and pick a few copies off of them. Apparently there are only 100 of em available too. Just thought I'd let you know. Jeff -- peace, frank http://www.deejaycountzero.com http://www.infinitestatemachine.com
Re: (313) Theo Parrish Halloween Mashups.
The rest of the Pittsburgh crew and I went *buck wild* the first time we heard Theo play the amerie1luvbug mashup of Amerie's 1 Thing and Lil Louis Nyce n Slo (luvbug mix) in 2005 in Detroit at Oslo during festival weekend. Wow. That sounds ace. Always loved both those tracks. R
Re: (313) Theo Parrish Interview
On 9 Dec 2009, at 18:05, David Powers wrote: I was disappointed in his final comments, snip Good post but he really can't answer Derrick May questions :) Music isn't about objects! Lots of DJ's now sound like your f***ing dad, they really need to get over it. m
Re: (313) Theo Parrish Interview
On 9 Dec 2009, at 02:37, robin wrote: http://blog.awdio.com/index.php/2009/12/07/theo-parrish-interview-from-djoon-paris/ robin... He's a bit like a cracked record tho... m
Re: (313) Theo Parrish Interview
I was disappointed in his final comments, because I think he missed something really important about music. And not in his defense of vinyl per se, but in his attempt to sum up what a DJ is. DJ's, like live musicians, are responsible for presenting music live. The physicality of carrying around crates of vinyl and getting your hands dirty might be a part of DJing, but this is only a surface aspect of DJing, and not at all the essence of what the DJ (or other live musician) does. In my opinion the essence of what live musicians and DJ's do is to create vibrations at a particular space and time for a particular group of people. Being able to hear fully vibrations, knowing which vibrations to create, and having the ability to create those vibrations is what it takes to become a master of vibrations, whatever the genre and instruments. Theo Parrish's reference to Kung Fu is telling, for a Kung Fu master is not only one who has mastered some technical exercises, but is suppsed to be one whose discipline has led them to some level of spiritual insight. In other words, it is not just the surface actions that the Kung Fu master performs, but the state of mind from which those actions arise. For musicians, the ability to hear that is the key to mastery of music. For me their are three levels of hearing: hearing with the ear, hearing with the mind, and hearing with the soul. When you can really hear on all three levels, you will have total awareness of the vibrations you are creating, and knowledge of what those vibrations do. This is fundamental to mastering all musical practice. And it is the inability to really listen, and a lack of knowledge of great music, not the inability to spin vinyl, that is really what gets in the way of younger producers and DJ's. For me, it is essential to, at minimum, have some understanding of jazz, Western classical, Indian classical, and West African drumming. These traditions have mastered different aspects of creating vibration that are fundamental to music making in general, regardless of genre. Whether you spin vinyl, hit keys on an acoustic piano, or plug in an ipod, if you aren't fully aware of the vibration you create, you cannot master music, even if your actions are technically precise. For me, the role of a musician or DJ very close to that of a shaman. Some I have studied with, such as William Parker and Billy Hart, have emphasized the power of music to heal. This means that making music publicly requires a high level of responsibility. The world is full of negative vibrations that are used to enslave people and to produce consumer consciousness. Vibrations can literally make people sick! Responsible musicians and DJ's need to realize how powerful vibrations are and how great the responsibility to use this power wisely is... the second you leave your bedroom, you assume a part in the great spiritual tradition of music. You have just as much of a responsibility as the masters (individuals such as Beethoven, Chopin, Cecil Taylor, Ravi Shankar, or John Coltrane) did to create powerful vibrations that can heal and inspire us as human beings. ~David On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote: On 9 Dec 2009, at 02:37, robin wrote: http://blog.awdio.com/index.php/2009/12/07/theo-parrish-interview-from-djoon-paris/ robin... He's a bit like a cracked record tho... m
Re: (313) Theo Parrish Interview
David - This was a dp ass post. nice. thanks, Jeffrey J. Davis fon: +1.218.8332847 (21883DAVIS) fax: +1.803.643.4085 cel: +86.158.0184.9459 jeff.da...@agy.com / jeffrey.james.da...@gmail.com www.JeffreyJDavis.com jeffrey.james.davis JeffreyJDavis On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM, David Powers cybo...@gmail.com wrote: I was disappointed in his final comments, because I think he missed something really important about music. And not in his defense of vinyl per se, but in his attempt to sum up what a DJ is. DJ's, like live musicians, are responsible for presenting music live. The physicality of carrying around crates of vinyl and getting your hands dirty might be a part of DJing, but this is only a surface aspect of DJing, and not at all the essence of what the DJ (or other live musician) does. In my opinion the essence of what live musicians and DJ's do is to create vibrations at a particular space and time for a particular group of people. Being able to hear fully vibrations, knowing which vibrations to create, and having the ability to create those vibrations is what it takes to become a master of vibrations, whatever the genre and instruments. Theo Parrish's reference to Kung Fu is telling, for a Kung Fu master is not only one who has mastered some technical exercises, but is suppsed to be one whose discipline has led them to some level of spiritual insight. In other words, it is not just the surface actions that the Kung Fu master performs, but the state of mind from which those actions arise. For musicians, the ability to hear that is the key to mastery of music. For me their are three levels of hearing: hearing with the ear, hearing with the mind, and hearing with the soul. When you can really hear on all three levels, you will have total awareness of the vibrations you are creating, and knowledge of what those vibrations do. This is fundamental to mastering all musical practice. And it is the inability to really listen, and a lack of knowledge of great music, not the inability to spin vinyl, that is really what gets in the way of younger producers and DJ's. For me, it is essential to, at minimum, have some understanding of jazz, Western classical, Indian classical, and West African drumming. These traditions have mastered different aspects of creating vibration that are fundamental to music making in general, regardless of genre. Whether you spin vinyl, hit keys on an acoustic piano, or plug in an ipod, if you aren't fully aware of the vibration you create, you cannot master music, even if your actions are technically precise. For me, the role of a musician or DJ very close to that of a shaman. Some I have studied with, such as William Parker and Billy Hart, have emphasized the power of music to heal. This means that making music publicly requires a high level of responsibility. The world is full of negative vibrations that are used to enslave people and to produce consumer consciousness. Vibrations can literally make people sick! Responsible musicians and DJ's need to realize how powerful vibrations are and how great the responsibility to use this power wisely is... the second you leave your bedroom, you assume a part in the great spiritual tradition of music. You have just as much of a responsibility as the masters (individuals such as Beethoven, Chopin, Cecil Taylor, Ravi Shankar, or John Coltrane) did to create powerful vibrations that can heal and inspire us as human beings. ~David On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote: On 9 Dec 2009, at 02:37, robin wrote: http://blog.awdio.com/index.php/2009/12/07/theo-parrish-interview-from-djoon-paris/ robin... He's a bit like a cracked record tho... m
Re: (313) Theo Parrish Interview
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:45 -0500, Jeffrey J Davis wrote: David - This was a dp ass post. nice. thanks, Jeffrey J. Davis fon: +1.218.8332847 (21883DAVIS) fax: +1.803.643.4085 cel: +86.158.0184.9459 jeff.da...@agy.com / jeffrey.james.da...@gmail.com www.JeffreyJDavis.com jeffrey.james.davis JeffreyJDavis On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM, David Powers cybo...@gmail.com wrote: I was disappointed in his final comments, because I think he missed something really important about music. And not in his defense of vinyl per se, but in his attempt to sum up what a DJ is. DJ's, like live musicians, are responsible for presenting music live. The physicality of carrying around crates of vinyl and getting your hands dirty might be a part of DJing, but this is only a surface aspect of DJing, and not at all the essence of what the DJ (or other live musician) does. In my opinion the essence of what live musicians and DJ's do is to create vibrations at a particular space and time for a particular group of people. Being able to hear fully vibrations, knowing which vibrations to create, and having the ability to create those vibrations is what it takes to become a master of vibrations, whatever the genre and instruments. Theo Parrish's reference to Kung Fu is telling, for a Kung Fu master is not only one who has mastered some technical exercises, but is suppsed to be one whose discipline has led them to some level of spiritual insight. In other words, it is not just the surface actions that the Kung Fu master performs, but the state of mind from which those actions arise. For musicians, the ability to hear that is the key to mastery of music. For me their are three levels of hearing: hearing with the ear, hearing with the mind, and hearing with the soul. When you can really hear on all three levels, you will have total awareness of the vibrations you are creating, and knowledge of what those vibrations do. This is fundamental to mastering all musical practice. And it is the inability to really listen, and a lack of knowledge of great music, not the inability to spin vinyl, that is really what gets in the way of younger producers and DJ's. For me, it is essential to, at minimum, have some understanding of jazz, Western classical, Indian classical, and West African drumming. These traditions have mastered different aspects of creating vibration that are fundamental to music making in general, regardless of genre. Whether you spin vinyl, hit keys on an acoustic piano, or plug in an ipod, if you aren't fully aware of the vibration you create, you cannot master music, even if your actions are technically precise. For me, the role of a musician or DJ very close to that of a shaman. Some I have studied with, such as William Parker and Billy Hart, have emphasized the power of music to heal. This means that making music publicly requires a high level of responsibility. The world is full of negative vibrations that are used to enslave people and to produce consumer consciousness. Vibrations can literally make people sick! Responsible musicians and DJ's need to realize how powerful vibrations are and how great the responsibility to use this power wisely is... the second you leave your bedroom, you assume a part in the great spiritual tradition of music. You have just as much of a responsibility as the masters (individuals such as Beethoven, Chopin, Cecil Taylor, Ravi Shankar, or John Coltrane) did to create powerful vibrations that can heal and inspire us as human beings. ~David On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote: On 9 Dec 2009, at 02:37, robin wrote: http://blog.awdio.com/index.php/2009/12/07/theo-parrish-interview-from-djoon-paris/ robin... He's a bit like a cracked record tho... m
Re: (313) Theo Parrish Interview
I love it when musicians start singing beats! Denise On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:37 PM, robin ro...@fivetones.org wrote: http://blog.awdio.com/index.php/2009/12/07/theo-parrish-interview-from-djoon-paris/ robin... -- Denise Dalphond Ph.D. Candidate Department of Folklore Ethnomusicology Indiana University http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/
Re: (313) Theo Parrish on Coronation Street
On 30 Jan 2009, at 00:42, Andrew Duke wrote: Well, not exactly. I was just sat down in the living room reading the paper and my wife asked me to turn on the TV on channel 11 cos Coronation Street (a fave of hers was on). So, I turned it on and it was a street scene with a huge poster in the background, but in closeup, that said Theo Parrish Ame Todd Terry. Long scene, so I got to gaze lovingly at the poster for a few minutes! :) I went to that night too. As Tristan points out the T-Funktion posters used to appear all the time as well (when they were still going). robin...
RE: (313) Theo Parrish on Coronation Street
Coronation Street spotting is becoming a bit of an electronic music community pass-time. There was a lovely T-Funkshun poster a few years back (they're starting back up again, for those who care), and actually London's To The Bone were featured on East Enders via an East Village poster not that long ago. Evidence: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk/pics/EastEndersTTB.jpg Hannah pointed out the Theo Parrish poster the other day. We're beginning to get numb to it I think. In other pop-culture spotting news, check page 40 if this month's DJ Mag for a picture of me raving at last year's BLOC. Not an exciting picture whatsoever, but it was a funny surprise when I got a text from a friend about it this afternoon! On the [313] tip, and to tie this all together, I heard one of the latest $tinkworx tracks on the lastest To The Bone podcast and was most impressed. Excellent work J.T. I've been meaning to post about this for a bit but I log on to this PC about once/week and I can't post to [313] with this account from my other computer so I don't post much here anymore. I should just sign up with gmail... Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk phonop...@phonopsia.co.uk -Original Message- From: Andrew Duke [mailto:and...@andrew-duke.com] Sent: 30 January 2009 00:43 To: list 313; 'Tech House List' Subject: (313) Theo Parrish on Coronation Street Well, not exactly. I was just sat down in the living room reading the paper and my wife asked me to turn on the TV on channel 11 cos Coronation Street (a fave of hers was on). So, I turned it on and it was a street scene with a huge poster in the background, but in closeup, that said Theo Parrish Ame Todd Terry. Long scene, so I got to gaze lovingly at the poster for a few minutes! :) Don't get those types of street scenes here in lil' ol' Halifax NS Canada. :( Uploading 29Jan09 show as I type this. Links and tracklist soon come. Andrew -- Andrew Duke In The Mix weekly mixshow (est. 1987), excl. DJ mixes, PAs, interviews: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/AndrewDukeInTheMix.html sound design and music content provider: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/sounddesignandmusic.html http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1614666166 Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks 57 Hastings Drive Dartmouth NS Canada B2Y 2C7
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Untrue, as well - I like their style Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:23 To: Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Harsh. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:22 To: 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT If Adidas was music it would be 'funky house'. Not good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:17 Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT it's almost like music Martin Dust schreef: On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:58, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote: the only thing they do is the design Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :) I wasn't suggesting that it (design) was easy, merely pointing out and re-enforcing the point I made about nebulous lifestyle choices and the fact that it's concept and ideas based. m For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56 To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Untrue, as well - I like their style Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:23 To: Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Harsh. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:22 To: 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT If Adidas was music it would be 'funky house'. Not good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:17 Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT it's almost like music Martin Dust schreef: On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:58, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote: the only thing they do is the design Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :) I wasn't suggesting that it (design) was easy, merely pointing out and re-enforcing the point I made about nebulous lifestyle choices and the fact that it's concept and ideas based. m For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
NO! I like house that is funky though Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:06 To: Robert Taylor; Toby Frith; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56 To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Untrue, as well - I like their style Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:23 To: Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Harsh. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:22 To: 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT If Adidas was music it would be 'funky house'. Not good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:17 Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT it's almost like music Martin Dust schreef: On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:58, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote: the only thing they do is the design Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :) I wasn't suggesting that it (design) was easy, merely pointing out and re-enforcing the point I made about nebulous lifestyle choices and the fact that it's concept and ideas based. m For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Come on then Ken, what's your trainer of choice? m PS Vans or Duffs for me :) On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:05, Odeluga, Ken wrote: And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56 To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Untrue, as well - I like their style
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I'm wearing CATs today. Do they count? -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:47 To: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Come on then Ken, what's your trainer of choice? m PS Vans or Duffs for me :) On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:05, Odeluga, Ken wrote: And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56 To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Untrue, as well - I like their style
Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
wow, i thought it was doc. martin's (no pun intended btw ;) - Original Message - Da : Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : 313 313 313@hyperreal.org Oggetto : Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Data : Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:47:05 + Come on then Ken, what's your trainer of choice? m PS Vans or Duffs for me :) On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:05, Odeluga, Ken wrote: And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56 To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Untrue, as well - I like their style
Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
On 14 Feb 2008, at 18:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, btw - I've been on film shoots I know *exactly* how many people it takes to do this kind of work - craft services included you want me to write up an financial estimate for it? Then you'll know it's all fibs. Do a financial if you want but make sure we can mark up by 25% and charge back out at 1000% :) I pretty much stand by the first mail I sent. m PS : If the tune below was a pair of trainers, it would be Reebok Classics http://www.juno.co.uk/products/300815-01.htm
Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, i thought it was doc. martin's (no pun intended btw ;) Do they still make them? Ken's a big fan of DM's but I've got fat ankles and don't really need the support. m
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Great - made by the company that makes bulldozers that flatten Palestinian homes! :) Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:50 To: Martin Dust; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I'm wearing CATs today. Do they count? -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:47 To: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Come on then Ken, what's your trainer of choice? m PS Vans or Duffs for me :) On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:05, Odeluga, Ken wrote: And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56 To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Untrue, as well - I like their style # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
i seriously doubt it, i think they licensed the name to some shoe factory - Original Message - Da : Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313 313@hyperreal.org Oggetto : RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Data : Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:58:46 - Great - made by the company that makes bulldozers that flatten Palestinian homes! :) Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:50 To: Martin Dust; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I'm wearing CATs today. Do they count? -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:47 To: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Come on then Ken, what's your trainer of choice? m PS Vans or Duffs for me :) On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:05, Odeluga, Ken wrote: And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56 To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Untrue, as well - I like their style ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ## ###
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
You're right! Adidas is innocent of course! I'll wear sandals in this time of palms, will that be acceptable? ;-p -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:59 To: Odeluga, Ken; Martin Dust; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Great - made by the company that makes bulldozers that flatten Palestinian homes! :) Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:50 To: Martin Dust; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I'm wearing CATs today. Do they count? -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:47 To: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Come on then Ken, what's your trainer of choice? m PS Vans or Duffs for me :) On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:05, Odeluga, Ken wrote: And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56 To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Untrue, as well - I like their style # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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On 15 Feb 2008, at 10:10, Odeluga, Ken wrote: You're right! Adidas is innocent of course! I'll wear sandals in this time of palms, will that be acceptable? ;-p Make sure you have on a good white sports sock with those Ken ;)
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neontsetse . . now that's a blast from the past. Welcome back or have you lurking ? Rav. -Original Message- From: dr.dog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 18:50 To: kent williams Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT salut 313-list although I hate Adidas for their extra-ugly-politics ... I always will love Theo ! ... my own way in music-biz, label-work etc.. is not all pc, there´s a lot of contradictions .. and still together with the label monika-enterprise we also just released a for free compilation to promote some real fair-fashion-brands and I think there should be more of this kind of underground-coop-stuff working on alternatives to certain business-politics, no matter if on one side you have to compromise here and there too meaning: don´t give up dreaming totally just becauze you have to do so inbetween .. mm http://www.myspace.com/rubaiyatmusic To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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It's the same company! http://www.catdestroyshomes.org/article.php?id=258 From War on Want report: Caterpillar is the largest UK employer in the earth moving and construction industry, and is known on the high street for its range of rugged boots and fashion accessories. As a company, Caterpillar claims to maintain a strong focus on social responsibility, while its Code of Worldwide Business Conduct boasts high ethical standards through which Caterpillar should set an example for others to follow. Yet Caterpillar's armoured bulldozers have been responsible for the destruction of thousands of Palestinian homes, schools, wells and olive groves. Caterpillar's bulldozers have also been used in the construction of the Separation Wall which Israel has built on Palestinian land and which has been ruled illegal by the International Court of Justice. As a result of this involvement and abuse of Palestinian's human rights, Caterpillar has been subjected to unprecedented criticism from the United Nations and international human rights groups I'm not having a pop at anyone wearing their products as I'm sure there's plenty of stuff I wear that's made by ethically dubious companies - my point is that it's very hard to be totally ethical in your consumer habits. Unless you grow/rear your own cotton, wool and leather and make your own clothes and shoes. Adidas and Nike all use sweatshop labour of course. New Balance don't, but they just use cheap immigrant labour instead! Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 10:03 To: Robert Taylor; Odeluga, Ken; Martin Dust; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT i seriously doubt it, i think they licensed the name to some shoe factory - Original Message - Da : Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313 313@hyperreal.org Oggetto : RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Data : Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:58:46 - Great - made by the company that makes bulldozers that flatten Palestinian homes! :) Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:50 To: Martin Dust; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I'm wearing CATs today. Do they count? -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:47 To: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Come on then Ken, what's your trainer of choice? m PS Vans or Duffs for me :) On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:05, Odeluga, Ken wrote: And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56 To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Untrue, as well - I like their style ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ## ### # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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shoes: http://www.wornagain.co.uk http://nosweatapparel.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGYCategory_Code=NSS bit of general info: http://www.cleanclothes.org/companies/04-04-alternative-ethical- clothes-review.htm + a link for musicians (but no high expectations here, our coop with them in the past was very slow :)) http://nosweatapparel.com/band-sponsorship.html mm Am 15.02.2008 um 11:10 schrieb Odeluga, Ken: You're right! Adidas is innocent of course! I'll wear sandals in this time of palms, will that be acceptable? ;-p -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:59 To: Odeluga, Ken; Martin Dust; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Great - made by the company that makes bulldozers that flatten Palestinian homes! :) Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:50 To: Martin Dust; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I'm wearing CATs today. Do they count? -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:47 To: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Come on then Ken, what's your trainer of choice? m PS Vans or Duffs for me :) On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:05, Odeluga, Ken wrote: And you also like 'funky house', note! ;-) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 08:56 To: Toby Frith; Odeluga, Ken; 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Untrue, as well - I like their style ### # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ### # #
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Yes Martin, DMs are still going strong, ive been rocking a pair of the Jake 3 Tie Chukka along with some adidas shelltoe for the last couple of years and they're still going strong. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, i thought it was doc. martin's (no pun intended btw ;) Do they still make them? Ken's a big fan of DM's but I've got fat ankles and don't really need the support. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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incidentally, adidas shelltoes (officially called Superstar) were the best shoe to skate in period. - Original Message - Da : Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313 313@hyperreal.org Oggetto : RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Data : Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:03:51 - Yes Martin, DMs are still going strong, ive been rocking a pair of the Jake 3 Tie Chukka along with some adidas shelltoe for the last couple of years and they're still going strong. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, i thought it was doc. martin's (no pun intended btw ;) Do they still make them? Ken's a big fan of DM's but I've got fat ankles and don't really need the support. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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*sigh* yes, of course it is - it's advertising fer chrissake reposting your first mail you sent on the topic: The problem for big brands is they don't actually make anything, there's no such thing as Adidas - as the modern economy is concept based, driven by ideas and transient notions. Therefore it should come as no surprise when they try to tie this something real or something that would generate an emotional response to their nebulous lifestyle choices. I recall someone mentioned like music I read the Buddha's teachings Martin - basically says the same thing but he had the wisdom to apply it to everything in our material world. The product you create - Dust Science Recordings, really has no more value than what Adidas creates. You can't take either of them with you when you die. All this record collecting, trainer worship/collecting, making of more products - is a futile attempt at immortality. Eventually it will all be lost. So whatever you level at Adidas you can also apply to your own company. MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/15/2008 03:53:20 AM: On 14 Feb 2008, at 18:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, btw - I've been on film shoots I know *exactly* how many people it takes to do this kind of work - craft services included you want me to write up an financial estimate for it? Then you'll know it's all fibs. Do a financial if you want but make sure we can mark up by 25% and charge back out at 1000% :) I pretty much stand by the first mail I sent. m PS : If the tune below was a pair of trainers, it would be Reebok Classics http://www.juno.co.uk/products/300815-01.htm
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On 15 Feb 2008, at 15:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *sigh* yes, of course it is - it's advertising fer chrissake Easy - it's not personal, I'm just chatting sh1t and throwing idea out there. reposting your first mail you sent on the topic: The problem for big brands is they don't actually make anything, there's no such thing as Adidas - as the modern economy is concept based, driven by ideas and transient notions. Therefore it should come as no surprise when they try to tie this something real or something that would generate an emotional response to their nebulous lifestyle choices. I recall someone mentioned like music I read the Buddha's teachings Martin - basically says the same thing but he had the wisdom to apply it to everything in our material world. Good for you. The product you create - Dust Science Recordings, really has no more value than what Adidas creates. You can't take either of them with you when you die. Value is a perception but your wrong about DS, we actually make something from start to finish, if I could press the plastic I would. All this record collecting, trainer worship/collecting, making of more products - is a futile attempt at immortality. Eventually it will all be lost. I'm glad that things will get lost in time (like tears in rain :) but to suggest it's a futile attempt attempt at immortality is ridiculous. So whatever you level at Adidas you can also apply to your own company. What I leveled at them was they don't exist. m
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Not even. The campus was waaay better cause they didn't pinch my toes when flipping. But I'm with martin on the shoes I go vans classics/slip-ons/sk8-hi's cause I have flat feet and I skate fast. k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:38 AM To: Mann, Ravinder; Martin Dust; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT incidentally, adidas shelltoes (officially called Superstar) were the best shoe to skate in period. - Original Message - Da : Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313 313@hyperreal.org Oggetto : RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Data : Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:03:51 - Yes Martin, DMs are still going strong, ive been rocking a pair of the Jake 3 Tie Chukka along with some adidas shelltoe for the last couple of years and they're still going strong. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 February 2008 09:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT On 15 Feb 2008, at 09:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow, i thought it was doc. martin's (no pun intended btw ;) Do they still make them? Ken's a big fan of DM's but I've got fat ankles and don't really need the support. m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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Value is a perception that's probably the only real truth said in the whole debate I'll give Martin that it's just a matter of where you want to stop examining the value of whatever it is you're talking about it could be argued that nothing has any real value at all because our all of our perceptions of the material world are based on illusions so - the value of Adidas and the value of a Theo Parrish record depends on how much of the illusion you're comfortable with believing in done MEK
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I'd like to say simply that I actually agree with what martin says about the company itself. My point was that I'm more in favour of the viral stuff because instead of being an endeavor that only employs internal corpo's that get it really wrong in the end (that old guard), this new model has to, at some point, drop cash to those a bit closer to home (because they're too far removed to do it themselves and they've finally realized that). Plus it's not as insulting. It's like if I was a girl, and a dude gave me a box of funky licorice from the dollar store and said, lets fxck later. He'd go flat. But if you come with my favorite choc's and said I'd love to make you breakfast it'd go over a bit better. Even though every chick knows you're really saying the same thing, class and attention to your interests are appreciated. I'd argue moreso when they don't align with your own interests at all (it FEELS more selfless). I guess what I'm saying is, it's nice to see the corpos executing things with a bit more class, even if they're the same inside. And even if they don't care about theo, I do, and that's got to count for something (I know, that's exactly why they did it). But I do agree wholeheartedly about the non-entity and their ultimate aim. k -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:04 PM To: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT On 14 Feb 2008, at 17:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's total B.S. Martin they aren't robots - I'm sure there are people working at Adidas and other companies they could very well be into Theo Parrish Why is it BS? Have I shattered the illusion? It's true, get use't it - its how the machine works - it's got no love, it just consumes. Just because they work at a corporation doesn't mean they live in a bubble - cut off from the world you live in. I wasn't suggesting anyone lives in a bubble but if you believe that some director at any PLC knows what's happening at street level you're deluded - as I said, they pay people for that. someone at some level along the production of this project has tons of love for Theo - that's how he got there boardrooms aren't usually where these decisions get made anyway Yeah of course, keep telling yourself that. m
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On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so - the value of Adidas and the value of a Theo Parrish record depends on how much of the illusion you're comfortable with believing in nah. some things have objectively greater value than others. tom
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There is more reference to Detroit music than there is to Adidas in the ad. You could even miss the shots of the trainers and not even realise its an advert till the closing image. It's all good. -Original Message- From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 06:33 To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values. I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they have other means of income other than just make records. Better something cool like an adidas ad, than say flipping burgers or being stuck in an office. Face it, not much $ is being made on making records. I have NFI really about a grammy. if you get nominated, it'd be sweet to get a chance to win one. I'm sure there is a lot of politicking and bias etc going on, but if I were an artist and people appreciated my recordings and nominated me, I wouldn't be complaining. And I dont' think you'd be either. On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 PM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good thing. I still don't know about Benny and that Grammy though??? C'mon! Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/02/2008, at 1:12 AM, Carlos de Brito wrote: it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/? section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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seriously. i liken this kind of thing (see also red bull music academy) to the financial backing renaissance artists got from wealthy patrons. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is more reference to Detroit music than there is to Adidas in the ad. You could even miss the shots of the trainers and not even realise its an advert till the closing image. It's all good. -Original Message- From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 06:33 To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values. I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they have other means of income other than just make records. Better something cool like an adidas ad, than say flipping burgers or being stuck in an office. Face it, not much $ is being made on making records. I have NFI really about a grammy. if you get nominated, it'd be sweet to get a chance to win one. I'm sure there is a lot of politicking and bias etc going on, but if I were an artist and people appreciated my recordings and nominated me, I wouldn't be complaining. And I dont' think you'd be either. On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 PM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good thing. I still don't know about Benny and that Grammy though??? C'mon! Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/02/2008, at 1:12 AM, Carlos de Brito wrote: it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/? section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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I bet the creators of the advert / film / viral branded content thing knew that this would cause a stir on 313 amongst the heads... and that it would generate buzz and that people would look at it and keep Theo.. and adidas, fresh in their minds. so, they've succeeded. No harm done, right? +odd -- On Feb 14, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Frank Glazer wrote: seriously. i liken this kind of thing (see also red bull music academy) to the financial backing renaissance artists got from wealthy patrons. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is more reference to Detroit music than there is to Adidas in the ad. You could even miss the shots of the trainers and not even realise its an advert till the closing image. It's all good. -Original Message- From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 06:33 To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values. I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they have other means of income other than just make records. Better something cool like an adidas ad, than say flipping burgers or being stuck in an office. Face it, not much $ is being made on making records. I have NFI really about a grammy. if you get nominated, it'd be sweet to get a chance to win one. I'm sure there is a lot of politicking and bias etc going on, but if I were an artist and people appreciated my recordings and nominated me, I wouldn't be complaining. And I dont' think you'd be either. On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 PM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good thing. I still don't know about Benny and that Grammy though??? C'mon! Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/02/2008, at 1:12 AM, Carlos de Brito wrote: it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/? section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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No doubt at all. For some unfathomable reason I still feel a very faint flicker of being uncomfortable with it though. Everything about it is done to make you feel that it's not an advert in any way whatsoever - and I guess this is just the way things are done nowadays. The artist is happy - his integrity isn't compromised and we get to see a glimpse of his craft and how he does things, the advertiser gets nothing but 5 seconds at the end.and yet! I love Adidas and I love Theo Parrish...It doesn't make sense. -Original Message- From: Todd Sines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 11:03 To: 313 Cc: Mann, Ravinder; M Ng; Frank Glazer; Cyclone Wehner; Carlos de Brito Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I bet the creators of the advert / film / viral branded content thing knew that this would cause a stir on 313 amongst the heads... and that it would generate buzz and that people would look at it and keep Theo.. and adidas, fresh in their minds. so, they've succeeded. No harm done, right? +odd -- On Feb 14, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Frank Glazer wrote: seriously. i liken this kind of thing (see also red bull music academy) to the financial backing renaissance artists got from wealthy patrons. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is more reference to Detroit music than there is to Adidas in the ad. You could even miss the shots of the trainers and not even realise its an advert till the closing image. It's all good. -Original Message- From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 06:33 To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values. I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they have other means of income other than just make records. Better something cool like an adidas ad, than say flipping burgers or being stuck in an office. Face it, not much $ is being made on making records. I have NFI really about a grammy. if you get nominated, it'd be sweet to get a chance to win one. I'm sure there is a lot of politicking and bias etc going on, but if I were an artist and people appreciated my recordings and nominated me, I wouldn't be complaining. And I dont' think you'd be either. On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 PM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good thing. I still don't know about Benny and that Grammy though??? C'mon! Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/02/2008, at 1:12 AM, Carlos de Brito wrote: it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/? section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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The problem for big brands is they don't actually make anything, there's no such thing as Adidas - as the modern economy is concept based, driven by ideas and transient notions. Therefore it should come as no surprise when they try to tie this something real or something that would generate an emotional response to their nebulous lifestyle choices. m
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I wouldn't say I love Adidas, but I do find this sort of advertising more acceptable for some hypocritical reason. I think the best I can hope to do is maintain a healthy level of self-criticism. I don't think I am in any position to pass judgement about selling out and keeping it real (or faux). That said, I do have to wonder why Questlove did that mobile phone advert (along with Madonna and Iggy Pop). Shudder. No doubt at all. For some unfathomable reason I still feel a very faint flicker of being uncomfortable with it though. Everything about it is done to make you feel that it's not an advert in any way whatsoever - and I guess this is just the way things are done nowadays. The artist is happy - his integrity isn't compromised and we get to see a glimpse of his craft and how he does things, the advertiser gets nothing but 5 seconds at the end.and yet! I love Adidas and I love Theo Parrish...It doesn't make sense.
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Martin's got a refined point I think, although it's arguable that they don't actually make anything. They make money for a start! :) But more seriously it's *their* plants which underpay people in east Asia to churn out these goods at a penny a shot, to be sold on in the west an 1000% margin. So in termns of traditional concept of manufacturing, they do 'make something' I think. However the point about the vast majority of their intelligence capital and their actual capital being employed to market their goods - and that implies the sophisticated mediation of very complex but specific ideas in direct and also barely liminal ways simultaneously, Martin's spot on imo. Still, to the extent that the way the do this obviously is in step with the latest advancements in the way humans consume media (why should this surprise us? Adidas and their ilk are ice cold, ancient, 'consumer killers'!:), that might cause some consternation to people who may still feel that the internet and it's newer visual parts are for 'the people' and similar notions like that -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 11:13 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT The problem for big brands is they don't actually make anything, there's no such thing as Adidas - as the modern economy is concept based, driven by ideas and transient notions. Therefore it should come as no surprise when they try to tie this something real or something that would generate an emotional response to their nebulous lifestyle choices. m
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i just bought new adidas shoes so i guess it works marsel (passionate slave to the capital system) Todd Sines schreef: I bet the creators of the advert / film / viral branded content thing knew that this would cause a stir on 313 amongst the heads... and that it would generate buzz and that people would look at it and keep Theo.. and adidas, fresh in their minds. so, they've succeeded. No harm done, right? +odd -- On Feb 14, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Frank Glazer wrote: seriously. i liken this kind of thing (see also red bull music academy) to the financial backing renaissance artists got from wealthy patrons. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is more reference to Detroit music than there is to Adidas in the ad. You could even miss the shots of the trainers and not even realise its an advert till the closing image. It's all good. -Original Message- From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 06:33 To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values. I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they have other means of income other than just make records. Better something cool like an adidas ad, than say flipping burgers or being stuck in an office. Face it, not much $ is being made on making records. I have NFI really about a grammy. if you get nominated, it'd be sweet to get a chance to win one. I'm sure there is a lot of politicking and bias etc going on, but if I were an artist and people appreciated my recordings and nominated me, I wouldn't be complaining. And I dont' think you'd be either. On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 PM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good thing. I still don't know about Benny and that Grammy though??? C'mon! Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/02/2008, at 1:12 AM, Carlos de Brito wrote: it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/? section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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They do make some nice gear though ; ) Kind regards, Gary Entertainment UK Ltd Auriol Drive | Greenford Park | Greenford | UB6 0DS x: 2946 | t: +44 (0)20 8833 2946 Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org ones.comcc: Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT 14/02/08 11:28 Martin's got a refined point I think, although it's arguable that they don't actually make anything. They make money for a start! :) But more seriously it's *their* plants which underpay people in east Asia to churn out these goods at a penny a shot, to be sold on in the west an 1000% margin. So in termns of traditional concept of manufacturing, they do 'make something' I think. However the point about the vast majority of their intelligence capital and their actual capital being employed to market their goods - and that implies the sophisticated mediation of very complex but specific ideas in direct and also barely liminal ways simultaneously, Martin's spot on imo. Still, to the extent that the way the do this obviously is in step with the latest advancements in the way humans consume media (why should this surprise us? Adidas and their ilk are ice cold, ancient, 'consumer killers'!:), that might cause some consternation to people who may still feel that the internet and it's newer visual parts are for 'the people' and similar notions like that -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 11:13 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT The problem for big brands is they don't actually make anything, there's no such thing as Adidas - as the modern economy is concept based, driven by ideas and transient notions. Therefore it should come as no surprise when they try to tie this something real or something that would generate an emotional response to their nebulous lifestyle choices. m
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On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:28, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Martin's got a refined point I think, although it's arguable that they don't actually make anything. They make money for a start! :) No doubt, but money is only an abstract concept in which we choose to place our trust in anyway - the concept is as bizarre as drinking another animals milk :) Although the analogy of bleeding udders does seem to fit this world perfectly. But more seriously it's *their* plants which underpay people in east Asia to churn out these goods at a penny a shot, to be sold on in the west an 1000% margin. Very true but someone/something, somewhere pays the price. So in termns of traditional concept of manufacturing, they do 'make something' I think. But they don't (I'd argue) - they sell the contract for someone else to make it and absolve themselves from all responsibility until it comes to taking the glory and $$$. People buy the rights to make this stuff, the only thing they do is the design. Just like Disney - under all that corporation BS is just a drawing of a mouse. However the point about the vast majority of their intelligence capital and their actual capital being employed to market their goods - and that implies the sophisticated mediation of very complex but specific ideas in direct and also barely liminal ways simultaneously, Martin's spot on imo. They don't have much else and this is where they excel often with brute force - they buy or command that floor space, it's not an accident! Still, to the extent that the way the do this obviously is in step with the latest advancements in the way humans consume media (why should this surprise us? Adidas and their ilk are ice cold, ancient, 'consumer killers'!:), that might cause some consternation to people who may still feel that the internet and it's newer visual parts are for 'the people' and similar notions like that Shopping malls are the new cathedral's and the internet has become the new idiots lantern - one look at Youtube comments is proof enough - we've failed! m
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On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote: the only thing they do is the design Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :)
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On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:58, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote: the only thing they do is the design Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :) I wasn't suggesting that it (design) was easy, merely pointing out and re-enforcing the point I made about nebulous lifestyle choices and the fact that it's concept and ideas based. m
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it's almost like music Martin Dust schreef: On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:58, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote: the only thing they do is the design Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :) I wasn't suggesting that it (design) was easy, merely pointing out and re-enforcing the point I made about nebulous lifestyle choices and the fact that it's concept and ideas based. m
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If Adidas was music it would be 'funky house'. Not good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:17 Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT it's almost like music Martin Dust schreef: On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:58, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote: the only thing they do is the design Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :) I wasn't suggesting that it (design) was easy, merely pointing out and re-enforcing the point I made about nebulous lifestyle choices and the fact that it's concept and ideas based. m
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Harsh. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:22 To: 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT If Adidas was music it would be 'funky house'. Not good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:17 Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT it's almost like music Martin Dust schreef: On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:58, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote: the only thing they do is the design Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :) I wasn't suggesting that it (design) was easy, merely pointing out and re-enforcing the point I made about nebulous lifestyle choices and the fact that it's concept and ideas based. m For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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Shelltoes would be a ltd edition run, on colour vinyl..possibly a mispress of something decent Toby Frith wrote: Harsh. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:22 To: 313 313 Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT If Adidas was music it would be 'funky house'. Not good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 12:17 Cc: 313 313 Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT it's almost like music Martin Dust schreef: On 14 Feb 2008, at 11:58, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Martin Dust wrote: the only thing they do is the design Well shucks, good thing that's so easy! :) I wasn't suggesting that it (design) was easy, merely pointing out and re-enforcing the point I made about nebulous lifestyle choices and the fact that it's concept and ideas based. m For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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that's the thing - the reason for the big shift in advertising towards viral + branded content. The success of BMW Films as not only a brand but a story - to make it be intertwined in your lives.. that's exactly what they're after. How many musicians or producers do you know evangelize software X, hardware Y, or computer Z? I'll admit that there's a lifestyle that we live - and that they are all trying to tap into. +odd -- On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Toby Frith wrote: No doubt at all. For some unfathomable reason I still feel a very faint flicker of being uncomfortable with it though. Everything about it is done to make you feel that it's not an advert in any way whatsoever - and I guess this is just the way things are done nowadays. The artist is happy - his integrity isn't compromised and we get to see a glimpse of his craft and how he does things, the advertiser gets nothing but 5 seconds at the end.and yet! I love Adidas and I love Theo Parrish...It doesn't make sense. -Original Message- From: Todd Sines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 11:03 To: 313 Cc: Mann, Ravinder; M Ng; Frank Glazer; Cyclone Wehner; Carlos de Brito Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I bet the creators of the advert / film / viral branded content thing knew that this would cause a stir on 313 amongst the heads... and that it would generate buzz and that people would look at it and keep Theo.. and adidas, fresh in their minds. so, they've succeeded. No harm done, right? +odd -- On Feb 14, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Frank Glazer wrote: seriously. i liken this kind of thing (see also red bull music academy) to the financial backing renaissance artists got from wealthy patrons. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is more reference to Detroit music than there is to Adidas in the ad. You could even miss the shots of the trainers and not even realise its an advert till the closing image. It's all good. -Original Message- From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 06:33 To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values. I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they have other means of income other than just make records. Better something cool like an adidas ad, than say flipping burgers or being stuck in an office. Face it, not much $ is being made on making records. I have NFI really about a grammy. if you get nominated, it'd be sweet to get a chance to win one. I'm sure there is a lot of politicking and bias etc going on, but if I were an artist and people appreciated my recordings and nominated me, I wouldn't be complaining. And I dont' think you'd be either. On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 PM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good thing. I still don't know about Benny and that Grammy though??? C'mon! Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/02/2008, at 1:12 AM, Carlos de Brito wrote: it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/? section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http
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I wouldn't say I love Adidas, but I do find this sort of advertising more acceptable for some hypocritical reason. I don't think it's hypocritical at all. I've seen the spread of viral+branded content online as advertising and I like it or a few reasons. For a start, to do it correctly (as I feel adidas has), the advertisers have to be rather involved/knowledgeable Re: the lifestyle and content that they want to co-op. this was previously not true in the industry as the demographics and categories that were accepted as gospel were previously determined by a rather academic process of long range observation. This is why they so frequently went for the lowest common denominator adverts and you feel stupid watching them. I should say, I don't have an intrinsic issue with someone trying to get me to like what they make (unless they insult my intelligence by lying or being pushy with the buy it right now stuff). This kind of marketing angle is not meant to sell you things by telling you just how awesome it is and it generally skirts the whole issue of competition (none of the adidas is better than 70% of blah, blah) it's meant to make you feel closer to the company by them taking the first step and supporting some of the things that you care about. This has two benefits. Besides the obvious benefit of artists getting money and not having to sacrifice their integrity (for that kind of pressure would be counterproductive), you also end up getting money flowing out to the smaller guys that specialize in the kind of media creation they need. To put it simply, the money flow: old guard = company- internal marketing dept- research firm - wack commercial actors new guard = company- guerrilla/viral marketing consultants - independent media creation professionals- people you actually know and care about. In my opinion, this is a good thing and I'd much rather have a company try to convince me that they're my friend and send some money to prove it, than just a bunch of low, low prices! crap that's just insulting. I mean, everyone knew it was an advert before they clicked. Did anyone get annoyed and kill the video because you felt you were being sold something? That's what's important to me. K mwnb
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
That is spot on Kamal imo. And no, I personally didn't kill the video. I guess we should all expect quite a bit more of this sort of thing. Albeit in a somewhat circumlocutious way ...If they're [the New Marketeers] smart. K -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 16:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Toby Frith Cc: Todd Sines; 313; Mann, Ravinder; M Ng; Frank Glazer; Cyclone Wehner; Carlos de Brito Subject: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I wouldn't say I love Adidas, but I do find this sort of advertising more acceptable for some hypocritical reason. I don't think it's hypocritical at all. I've seen the spread of viral+branded content online as advertising and I like it or a few reasons. For a start, to do it correctly (as I feel adidas has), the advertisers have to be rather involved/knowledgeable Re: the lifestyle and content that they want to co-op. this was previously not true in the industry as the demographics and categories that were accepted as gospel were previously determined by a rather academic process of long range observation. This is why they so frequently went for the lowest common denominator adverts and you feel stupid watching them. I should say, I don't have an intrinsic issue with someone trying to get me to like what they make (unless they insult my intelligence by lying or being pushy with the buy it right now stuff). This kind of marketing angle is not meant to sell you things by telling you just how awesome it is and it generally skirts the whole issue of competition (none of the adidas is better than 70% of blah, blah) it's meant to make you feel closer to the company by them taking the first step and supporting some of the things that you care about. This has two benefits. Besides the obvious benefit of artists getting money and not having to sacrifice their integrity (for that kind of pressure would be counterproductive), you also end up getting money flowing out to the smaller guys that specialize in the kind of media creation they need. To put it simply, the money flow: old guard = company- internal marketing dept- research firm - wack commercial actors new guard = company- guerrilla/viral marketing consultants - independent media creation professionals- people you actually know and care about. In my opinion, this is a good thing and I'd much rather have a company try to convince me that they're my friend and send some money to prove it, than just a bunch of low, low prices! crap that's just insulting. I mean, everyone knew it was an advert before they clicked. Did anyone get annoyed and kill the video because you felt you were being sold something? That's what's important to me. K mwnb
Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
old guard = company- internal marketing dept- research firm - wack commercial actors new guard = company- guerrilla/viral marketing consultants - independent media creation professionals- people you actually know and care about. It's convincing K, but ask yourself the reason they've take the route they have and if you believe there's any love for you in the boardroom of any PLC then I'd say that was a tad naive, these people don't know as you suggest - they pay people who tell them what they know. m
Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
A couple of thoughts: I sincerely doubt that the 313 mailing list demographic is sufficiently lucrative to warrant creating a specific viral marketing campaign for. Are there other artists involved in a similar series targeting other groups? I don't think this sort of campaign is expensive to produce (compared to traditional marketing) but I don't see how effective it is either. So Adidas have generated a lot of discussion (never bad) and perhaps even earned some grudging respect (also good for them) but I for one will not find myself in a sports shop thinking huh, maybe I should by this Adidas branded product because they are down with tha D. But then, virals aren't supposed to work like that as far as I understand it. Do you remember DJ Super Greg? There was NO indication in that video that it was anything to do with Jeans (wasn't it Lee or something?). N old guard = company- internal marketing dept- research firm - wack commercial actors new guard = company- guerrilla/viral marketing consultants - independent media creation professionals- people you actually know and care about. It's convincing K, but ask yourself the reason they've take the route they have and if you believe there's any love for you in the boardroom of any PLC then I'd say that was a tad naive, these people don't know as you suggest - they pay people who tell them what they know. m
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the reason i like something like the RBMA is that it gives something back to the dance community. something like this, i dont think you can say the same thing. its a cool little video to watch, but how much would making this have cost had it been independently financed instead of having adidas do it? im not an adidas fan, but that doesnt matter. i think this kind of thing is questionable at best. and they do show his shoes at one point in the video. tom
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
If he was advertising for some new Roland product would it be any less uncomfortable for you? I know there's the argument that Roland makes products for music and it's a logical extension but it's still shilling for your dollars. Maybe Theo likes and wears Adidas. What's good about it is that there really isn't any compromise on Theo's part. Adidas basically documents a day in the life of with a barely noticeable fact that he's wearing their shoes. Then they tag it at the end just so you know who funded the whole document. Of course they are using Theo for the cool points but shit, Run DMC fxcking wrote a song about Adidas in the first place, so the door has to swing both ways. MEK Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/14/2008 05:08:44 AM: No doubt at all. For some unfathomable reason I still feel a very faint flicker of being uncomfortable with it though. Everything about it is done to make you feel that it's not an advert in any way whatsoever - and I guess this is just the way things are done nowadays. The artist is happy - his integrity isn't compromised and we get to see a glimpse of his craft and how he does things, the advertiser gets nothing but 5 seconds at the end.and yet! I love Adidas and I love Theo Parrish...It doesn't make sense. -Original Message- From: Todd Sines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 11:03 To: 313 Cc: Mann, Ravinder; M Ng; Frank Glazer; Cyclone Wehner; Carlos de Brito Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I bet the creators of the advert / film / viral branded content thing knew that this would cause a stir on 313 amongst the heads... and that it would generate buzz and that people would look at it and keep Theo.. and adidas, fresh in their minds. so, they've succeeded. No harm done, right? +odd -- On Feb 14, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Frank Glazer wrote: seriously. i liken this kind of thing (see also red bull music academy) to the financial backing renaissance artists got from wealthy patrons. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is more reference to Detroit music than there is to Adidas in the ad. You could even miss the shots of the trainers and not even realise its an advert till the closing image. It's all good. -Original Message- From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 February 2008 06:33 To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values. I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they have other means of income other than just make records. Better something cool like an adidas ad, than say flipping burgers or being stuck in an office. Face it, not much $ is being made on making records. I have NFI really about a grammy. if you get nominated, it'd be sweet to get a chance to win one. I'm sure there is a lot of politicking and bias etc going on, but if I were an artist and people appreciated my recordings and nominated me, I wouldn't be complaining. And I dont' think you'd be either. On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 PM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good thing. I still don't know about Benny and that Grammy though??? C'mon! Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/02/2008, at 1:12 AM, Carlos de Brito wrote: it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/? section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
i guess the good thing to come from all this is more
exposure for Theo
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If he was advertising for some new Roland product would it
be any less uncomfortable for you?
I know there's the argument that Roland makes products for
music and it's a logical extension but it's still shilling
for your dollars. Maybe Theo likes and wears Adidas.
What's good about it is that there really isn't any
compromise on Theo's part. Adidas basically documents a
day in the life of with a barely noticeable fact that
he's wearing their shoes. Then they tag it at the end just
so you know who funded the whole document. Of course they
are using Theo for the cool points but shit, Run DMC
fxcking wrote a song about Adidas in the first place, so
the door has to swing both ways.
MEK
Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on
02/14/2008 05:08:44 AM:
No doubt at all.
For some unfathomable reason I still feel a very faint
flicker of being uncomfortable with it though.
Everything about it is done to make you feel that it's
not an advert in any way whatsoever - and I guess this
is just the way things are done nowadays. The artist is
happy - his integrity isn't compromised and we get to see
a glimpse of his craft and how he does things, the
advertiser gets nothing but 5 seconds at the end.and
yet! I love Adidas and I love Theo Parrish...It doesn't
make sense.
-Original Message-
From: Todd Sines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 February 2008 11:03
To: 313
Cc: Mann, Ravinder; M Ng; Frank Glazer; Cyclone Wehner;
Carlos de Brito Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in
Adidas AdverT
I bet the creators of the advert / film / viral branded
content thing knew that this would cause a stir on 313
amongst the heads...
and that it would generate buzz
and that people would look at it
and keep Theo.. and adidas, fresh in their minds.
so, they've succeeded. No harm done, right?
+odd
--
On Feb 14, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Frank Glazer wrote:
seriously. i liken this kind of thing (see also red
bull music academy) to the financial backing
renaissance artists got from wealthy patrons.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is more reference to Detroit music than there
is to Adidas in the
ad. You could even miss the shots of the trainers
and not even realise
its an advert till the closing image. It's all good.
-Original Message-
From: M Ng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 February 2008 06:33
To: Cyclone Wehner
Cc: Carlos de Brito; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising
values.
I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's
great that they have
other means of income other than just make records.
Better something cool like an adidas ad, than say
flipping burgers or being stuck in an
office. Face it, not much $ is being made on making
records.
I have NFI really about a grammy. if you get
nominated, it'd be sweet
to get a chance to win one. I'm sure there is a lot
of politicking and
bias etc going on, but if I were an artist and
people appreciated my recordings and nominated me, I
wouldn't be complaining. And I dont' think you'd be
either.
On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 PM, Cyclone Wehner
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This is a good thing. I still don't know about Benny
and that Grammy though??? C'mon!
Cyclone Wehner
Urban/Dance Music Journalist
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 14/02/2008, at 1:12 AM, Carlos de Brito wrote:
it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;)
btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the
only major company that discovered theo parrish for
their marketing activities. in april he will be in
germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke
DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/?
section=tour+%26+dates
c*
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Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED],
313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish
in Adidas AdverT
We 313ers should all watch it I think.
I did post it to the list over a week ago though.
Keep up! ;-)
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From: Toby Frith
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13
February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313
Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
that's total B.S. Martin they aren't robots - I'm sure there are people working at Adidas and other companies they could very well be into Theo Parrish Just because they work at a corporation doesn't mean they live in a bubble - cut off from the world you live in. someone at some level along the production of this project has tons of love for Theo - that's how he got there boardrooms aren't usually where these decisions get made anyway MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/14/2008 10:29:39 AM: old guard = company- internal marketing dept- research firm - wack commercial actors new guard = company- guerrilla/viral marketing consultants - independent media creation professionals- people you actually know and care about. It's convincing K, but ask yourself the reason they've take the route they have and if you believe there's any love for you in the boardroom of any PLC then I'd say that was a tad naive, these people don't know as you suggest - they pay people who tell them what they know. m
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On 14 Feb 2008, at 17:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's total B.S. Martin they aren't robots - I'm sure there are people working at Adidas and other companies they could very well be into Theo Parrish Why is it BS? Have I shattered the illusion? It's true, get use't it - its how the machine works - it's got no love, it just consumes. Just because they work at a corporation doesn't mean they live in a bubble - cut off from the world you live in. I wasn't suggesting anyone lives in a bubble but if you believe that some director at any PLC knows what's happening at street level you're deluded - as I said, they pay people for that. someone at some level along the production of this project has tons of love for Theo - that's how he got there boardrooms aren't usually where these decisions get made anyway Yeah of course, keep telling yourself that. m
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I think you'd be surprised. As many grumps that are on this list [myself included] they're still highly influential - even if the one someone you respect or admire says one line - it's enough to persuade. let's also not forget my adidas by Run DMC - wonder if that was a giant commercial? or just a true love? Do a search for Nike.. or adidas tattoos on google and see what you find. kinda sick. I highly doubt the shoe companies paid them... I admit I looked at it and was actually happy that Adidas got behind it instead of someone else. I'm still fighting with whether to loathe or love them but I think they give the appearance of being better than say ... n*ke? I've been more of an adidas kinda person only because I could find entirely synthetic, non-animal based shoes.. for me - sustainability + green is the next step for any company and adidas, with their support of things like Stella McCartney - an avid vegan / and against animal products - for me it's one of the only companies on a large scale that understands the balance between style + sustainability. +odd -- On Feb 14, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Nik Stoltzman wrote: A couple of thoughts: I sincerely doubt that the 313 mailing list demographic is sufficiently lucrative to warrant creating a specific viral marketing campaign for. Are there other artists involved in a similar series targeting other groups? I don't think this sort of campaign is expensive to produce (compared to traditional marketing) but I don't see how effective it is either. So Adidas have generated a lot of discussion (never bad) and perhaps even earned some grudging respect (also good for them) but I for one will not find myself in a sports shop thinking huh, maybe I should by this Adidas branded product because they are down with tha D. But then, virals aren't supposed to work like that as far as I understand it. Do you remember DJ Super Greg? There was NO indication in that video that it was anything to do with Jeans (wasn't it Lee or something?). N old guard = company- internal marketing dept- research firm - wack commercial actors new guard = company- guerrilla/viral marketing consultants - independent media creation professionals- people you actually know and care about. It's convincing K, but ask yourself the reason they've take the route they have and if you believe there's any love for you in the boardroom of any PLC then I'd say that was a tad naive, these people don't know as you suggest - they pay people who tell them what they know. m
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Adidas basically documents a day in the life of with a barely noticeable fact that he's wearing their shoes. That's the whole point of the advert tho MEK, they've done the BUY NOW, so they've switched to mnml :) If you've ever seen what it takes to document a day in the life of film (8+ people) you'd question the validity... these people are cool, don't shove it in their face or they'll kick off, slip it in the back-door - hardly ground breaking, discrete or new - Seth Godin 101. It's purpose is very clear and I've seen lots of briefs that contain this message in the very top-line. I should point out that for me this discussion isn't really about Theo, more how they get things to work like clockwork and generate an emotional response to their nebulous lifestyle choices as I mention in my first point. m
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everything is a nebulous lifestyle choice - I think Buddha pretty much said that MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/14/2008 12:17:51 PM: Adidas basically documents a day in the life of with a barely noticeable fact that he's wearing their shoes. That's the whole point of the advert tho MEK, they've done the BUY NOW, so they've switched to mnml :) If you've ever seen what it takes to document a day in the life of film (8+ people) you'd question the validity... these people are cool, don't shove it in their face or they'll kick off, slip it in the back-door - hardly ground breaking, discrete or new - Seth Godin 101. It's purpose is very clear and I've seen lots of briefs that contain this message in the very top-line. I should point out that for me this discussion isn't really about Theo, more how they get things to work like clockwork and generate an emotional response to their nebulous lifestyle choices as I mention in my first point. m
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salut 313-list although I hate Adidas for their extra-ugly-politics ... I always will love Theo ! ... my own way in music-biz, label-work etc.. is not all pc, there´s a lot of contradictions .. and still together with the label monika-enterprise we also just released a for free compilation to promote some real fair-fashion-brands and I think there should be more of this kind of underground-coop-stuff working on alternatives to certain business-politics, no matter if on one side you have to compromise here and there too meaning: don´t give up dreaming totally just becauze you have to do so inbetween .. mm http://www.myspace.com/rubaiyatmusic
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Oh, btw - I've been on film shoots I know *exactly* how many people it takes to do this kind of work - craft services included you want me to write up an financial estimate for it? ;-) MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/14/2008 12:17:51 PM: Adidas basically documents a day in the life of with a barely noticeable fact that he's wearing their shoes. That's the whole point of the advert tho MEK, they've done the BUY NOW, so they've switched to mnml :) If you've ever seen what it takes to document a day in the life of film (8+ people) you'd question the validity... these people are cool, don't shove it in their face or they'll kick off, slip it in the back-door - hardly ground breaking, discrete or new - Seth Godin 101. It's purpose is very clear and I've seen lots of briefs that contain this message in the very top-line. I should point out that for me this discussion isn't really about Theo, more how they get things to work like clockwork and generate an emotional response to their nebulous lifestyle choices as I mention in my first point. m
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, btw - I've been on film shoots I know *exactly* how many people it takes to do this kind of work - craft services included you want me to write up an financial estimate for it? You can if you want but that wasn't my point ;) m
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The Grammies is pretty out of touch with grassroots, we all agree on that I am sure. I am glad Amy Winehouse was recognised but the Chemicals winning best electronic album - it's right out of line with even the commercial dance scene. LCD should have got it, maybe Justice. Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/02/2008, at 5:32 PM, M Ng wrote: I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values. I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they have other means of income other than just make records. Better something cool like an adidas ad, than say flipping burgers or being stuck in an office. Face it, not much $ is being made on making records. I have NFI really about a grammy. if you get nominated, it'd be sweet to get a chance to win one. I'm sure there is a lot of politicking and bias etc going on, but if I were an artist and people appreciated my recordings and nominated me, I wouldn't be complaining. And I dont' think you'd be either. On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 PM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good thing. I still don't know about Benny and that Grammy though??? C'mon! Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/02/2008, at 1:12 AM, Carlos de Brito wrote: it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/? section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Grammies is pretty out of touch with grassroots, we all agree on that I am sure. I am glad Amy Winehouse was recognised but the Chemicals winning best electronic album - it's right out of line with even the commercial dance scene. LCD should have got it, maybe Justice. hahahahaha. as if either of them deserve an award for best electronic album either. all awards are a joke. herbie hancock winning album of the year in 2008 would be comedy if it wasnt so sad that he never won for any of his truly great albums. tom
Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Maybe we've gone just about as far away from Detroit Techno on this thread as is possible, but I will say this: The Herbie Hancock/Joni Mitchell CD has some brilliant work on it. I'd never feel bad about Herbie winning a Grammy. And it makes me feel really frickin old to think that I've been listening to both Joni and Herbie for 35 years. Of course, I don't have to actually listen to them -- I just push play in my head. Same with the Beatles. My mom gave me most of the Beatles discography for christmas one year when it came out on CD, and I don't think I've ever actually played them. I have gone through and sampled individual Ringo drum hits though ;-) On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Grammies is pretty out of touch with grassroots, we all agree on that I am sure. I am glad Amy Winehouse was recognised but the Chemicals winning best electronic album - it's right out of line with even the commercial dance scene. LCD should have got it, maybe Justice. hahahahaha. as if either of them deserve an award for best electronic album either. all awards are a joke. herbie hancock winning album of the year in 2008 would be comedy if it wasnt so sad that he never won for any of his truly great albums. tom
RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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i'm surprised noone has mentioned anything about selling out, or corporate invasion of underground cultures or something along those lines. i bet there would have been an outrage if it was richie H. :P f. - Original Message - Da : Carlos de Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : 313@hyperreal.org Oggetto : Re: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Data : Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:12:39 +0100 it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/?section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/?section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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Worrying about selling out and underground legitimacy seems to mostly be the occupation of people who have leisure time paid for by their own selling out to whatever corporation they're working for. whilst wearing Adidas shoes... -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 15:03 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Theo is going to get all sorts of love from the 313 list that Richie won't. That's just the way things are. Watching that video doesn't make me think Theo is selling out to Adidas. It makes me think that Theo and a Film-maker got a bunch of money from Adidas to make a short film that gets at the heart of what Detroit dance music is all about. I don't even think you can see Theo's feet in it. Worrying about selling out and underground legitimacy seems to mostly be the occupation of people who have leisure time paid for by their own selling out to whatever corporation they're working for. 'Selling out' or 'Keeping it real' are more mythic attributes that people paste artists with, which makes black in white a world that is almost entirely gray. This is a completely different thing than compromising artistic principles to make money. Who in their right mind would talk about Theo that way? It's like they want their favorite artists not to sell out, because they want to believe there's someone left that hasn't sold out. Fair enough, I suppose, but we all have to make a living somehow. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. On Feb 13, 2008 8:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm surprised noone has mentioned anything about selling out, or corporate invasion of underground cultures or something along those lines. i bet there would have been an outrage if it was richie For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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i'm surprised noone has mentioned anything about selling
out, or corporate invasion of underground cultures or
something along those lines.
i bet there would have been an outrage if it was richie
H. :P
f.
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I thought a few people did write stuff like that. Especially that bloke
who can't seem to come near the list without writing something
inflammatory! ;-)
('Which one?' you ask! - well actually, Theo does have some deep fans
and it wasn't one of them.)
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it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;)
btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company
that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april
he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ
Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/?section=tour+%26+dates
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We 313ers should all watch it I think.
I did post it to the list over a week ago though.
Keep up! ;-)
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Re: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
Or getting PAID ;-) MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/13/2008 08:24:26 AM: i'm surprised noone has mentioned anything about selling out, or corporate invasion of underground cultures or something along those lines.
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Theo is going to get all sorts of love from the 313 list that Richie won't. That's just the way things are. Watching that video doesn't make me think Theo is selling out to Adidas. It makes me think that Theo and a Film-maker got a bunch of money from Adidas to make a short film that gets at the heart of what Detroit dance music is all about. I don't even think you can see Theo's feet in it. Worrying about selling out and underground legitimacy seems to mostly be the occupation of people who have leisure time paid for by their own selling out to whatever corporation they're working for. 'Selling out' or 'Keeping it real' are more mythic attributes that people paste artists with, which makes black in white a world that is almost entirely gray. This is a completely different thing than compromising artistic principles to make money. Who in their right mind would talk about Theo that way? It's like they want their favorite artists not to sell out, because they want to believe there's someone left that hasn't sold out. Fair enough, I suppose, but we all have to make a living somehow. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. On Feb 13, 2008 8:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm surprised noone has mentioned anything about selling out, or corporate invasion of underground cultures or something along those lines. i bet there would have been an outrage if it was richie
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oh, but i totally agree with you when you talk about how selling out or keeping it real are mythic attributes. In fact, I wasn't talking about Theo or Richie at all, just remarking on how those who scream sell-out and the double-measures that goes along with it. i'm just trying to be smart i suppose :) fab - Original Message - Da : kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : 313@hyperreal.org Oggetto : Re: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT Data : Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:02:39 -0600 Theo is going to get all sorts of love from the 313 list that Richie won't. That's just the way things are. Watching that video doesn't make me think Theo is selling out to Adidas. It makes me think that Theo and a Film-maker got a bunch of money from Adidas to make a short film that gets at the heart of what Detroit dance music is all about. I don't even think you can see Theo's feet in it. Worrying about selling out and underground legitimacy seems to mostly be the occupation of people who have leisure time paid for by their own selling out to whatever corporation they're working for. 'Selling out' or 'Keeping it real' are more mythic attributes that people paste artists with, which makes black in white a world that is almost entirely gray. This is a completely different thing than compromising artistic principles to make money. Who in their right mind would talk about Theo that way? It's like they want their favorite artists not to sell out , because they want to believe there's someone left that hasn't sold out. Fair enough, I suppose, but we all have to make a living somehow. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. On Feb 13, 2008 8:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm surprised noone has mentioned anything about selling out, or corporate invasion of underground cultures or something along those lines. i bet there would have been an outrage if it was richie
Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
This is a good thing. I still don't know about Benny and that Grammy though??? C'mon! Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/02/2008, at 1:12 AM, Carlos de Brito wrote: it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/? section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
Re: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT
I agree with Kent. Selling out is about compromising values. I will also add - An artist has to eat - and it's great that they have other means of income other than just make records. Better something cool like an adidas ad, than say flipping burgers or being stuck in an office. Face it, not much $ is being made on making records. I have NFI really about a grammy. if you get nominated, it'd be sweet to get a chance to win one. I'm sure there is a lot of politicking and bias etc going on, but if I were an artist and people appreciated my recordings and nominated me, I wouldn't be complaining. And I dont' think you'd be either. On Feb 13, 2008 9:15 PM, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good thing. I still don't know about Benny and that Grammy though??? C'mon! Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/02/2008, at 1:12 AM, Carlos de Brito wrote: it is the 4th time this video pops up here ;) btw: i'm still wondering why, but adidas is not the only major company that discovered theo parrish for their marketing activities. in april he will be in germany (with omar-s and robert owens) for a Coke DJ Culture Tour: http://brandbooking.org/? section=tour+%26+dates c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:20:08 - Von: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT We 313ers should all watch it I think. I did post it to the list over a week ago though. Keep up! ;-) -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 February 2008 12:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Theo Parrish in Adidas AdverT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dydtXJ94CE For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
RE: (313) theo parrish at deep space last night
I went to Cielo not long after it opened and had a lot a fun at a Deepspace night, but the last time I went , Feb of this year, it was awful. Tourist city and we were sat in non reserved seating but were told to move because the table next to us was reserved and more people had turned up so we were kicked out of our seats. Not happyand wont be going back to deepspace. -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 August 2007 20:18 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) theo parrish at deep space last night saw theo play at cielo last night. amazing function 1 system they have in there. theo started out real nice. some thumping, pretty mainstream-but-good disco, some ugly edits, occasionally mixed with a track of his own. but after not too long he started doing that high eq stuff, and way too often...every minute or so even, total overkill -- started getting irritating and predictable. that sound system was great, but +theo it was evil. he also seemed to play at least 3 james brown tracks in a row, with loads of flair, but i got a little bored..he dropped some acid track a little later (i think it was his own 1987, not sure, but it was very familiar), but by that time we had to leave before we got permanent hearing damage. cielo was mostly full of tourists and random idiots, which i didn't expect for the monday deep space night. i had only seen theo dj once before, on a much smaller system, and i liked it. but now i understand why people have complained about his eq-centric mixing style...it was really, really irritating. and his track selection wasn't totally doing it for me either, tho he was working it...i now have pretty mixed feelings about theo as a dj... ps clubs who have seating almost entirely reserved for v.i.p.'s suck.
Re: (313) theo parrish at deep space last night
Thanks for the report. I think 2 nights of UR in NYC gave me a cold and I remembered Cielo had bad/ little seating and there wasn't anyway I was going to make it down there unless I had room to sit.. ok.. flop.. I heard that he is doing a residency now? On 8/14/07, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: saw theo play at cielo last night. amazing function 1 system they have in there. theo started out real nice. some thumping, pretty mainstream-but-good disco, some ugly edits, occasionally mixed with a track of his own. but after not too long he started doing that high eq stuff, and way too often...every minute or so even, total overkill -- started getting irritating and predictable. that sound system was great, but +theo it was evil. he also seemed to play at least 3 james brown tracks in a row, with loads of flair, but i got a little bored..he dropped some acid track a little later (i think it was his own 1987, not sure, but it was very familiar), but by that time we had to leave before we got permanent hearing damage. cielo was mostly full of tourists and random idiots, which i didn't expect for the monday deep space night. i had only seen theo dj once before, on a much smaller system, and i liked it. but now i understand why people have complained about his eq-centric mixing style...it was really, really irritating. and his track selection wasn't totally doing it for me either, tho he was working it...i now have pretty mixed feelings about theo as a dj... ps clubs who have seating almost entirely reserved for v.i.p.'s suck.
Re: (313) Theo Parrish @ Plastic People this Sunday
yes Tristan superb night wasn't it! Ade had Pharoah Sanders' beautiful 'Harvest Time' on as we walked in already the pilgrimage that is seeing Theo at Plastics on a Sunday night had begun not sure about the long one you mention (?), but i think probably my favorite of the night might have to be his 15 minute opener, no doubt called 'going downstairs', a loping, chugging, head nodding sing-along gem of a cut the james brown edits were particularly impressive and an equing feast marcus mixx psychousic sounded even better than when i played it on saturday :-p he played quite a few off the new lp: 'second chances', the marvin cut up 'the rink', 'galactic traffic' and the already known sick 'synthetic flemm' samples up here: http://music.rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=38806 plenty more unidentified tracks too though. donald byrd's lansanna's preistess a highlight! shame on you for not 'liking disco' before! but then in Theo's own words, a good dj can change your DNA ; ) On 2/19/07, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been a long time since I've been really impressed by a DJ set and even longer since I last felt like 80+% of what a DJ played was right and good. Tonight Theo Parrish hit about 95+% correctness and dropped so many of his new tunes from CDR and so many amazing edits of the rest of his selection that I don't know how anyone could go back to just playing records. Seriously sickening stuff. The new (presumably) Sound Signature stuff is going to be unstoppable. There was one 25 minute long track that took 15 minutes to transform into acid. It was so mental when it did. I'm usually the last person to shower Theo Parrish with compliments since I figure nothing he can do will compare to the set he played at the first DEMF which transformed my taste to the extent that I started liking disco, but this exceeded that. Seriously proper stuff. I hope the rest of 2007 follows suit. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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oh and you omitted to add there were a few other DNA changing persons, namely Amp Fiddler, Derrick May and Jeff Mills in the space...! some night On 2/21/07, JSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes Tristan superb night wasn't it! Ade had Pharoah Sanders' beautiful 'Harvest Time' on as we walked in already the pilgrimage that is seeing Theo at Plastics on a Sunday night had begun not sure about the long one you mention (?), but i think probably my favorite of the night might have to be his 15 minute opener, no doubt called 'going downstairs', a loping, chugging, head nodding sing-along gem of a cut the james brown edits were particularly impressive and an equing feast marcus mixx psychousic sounded even better than when i played it on saturday :-p he played quite a few off the new lp: 'second chances', the marvin cut up 'the rink', 'galactic traffic' and the already known sick 'synthetic flemm' samples up here: http://music.rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=38806 plenty more unidentified tracks too though. donald byrd's lansanna's preistess a highlight! shame on you for not 'liking disco' before! but then in Theo's own words, a good dj can change your DNA ; ) On 2/19/07, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been a long time since I've been really impressed by a DJ set and even longer since I last felt like 80+% of what a DJ played was right and good. Tonight Theo Parrish hit about 95+% correctness and dropped so many of his new tunes from CDR and so many amazing edits of the rest of his selection that I don't know how anyone could go back to just playing records. Seriously sickening stuff. The new (presumably) Sound Signature stuff is going to be unstoppable. There was one 25 minute long track that took 15 minutes to transform into acid. It was so mental when it did. I'm usually the last person to shower Theo Parrish with compliments since I figure nothing he can do will compare to the set he played at the first DEMF which transformed my taste to the extent that I started liking disco, but this exceeded that. Seriously proper stuff. I hope the rest of 2007 follows suit. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Theo Parrish @ Plastic People this Sunday
-Original Message- From: JSS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2007 00:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313, Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish @ Plastic People this Sunday yes Tristan superb night wasn't it! Ade had Pharoah Sanders' beautiful 'Harvest Time' on as we walked in already the pilgrimage that is seeing Theo at Plastics on a Sunday night had begun not sure about the long one you mention (?), but i think probably my favorite of the night might have to be his 15 minute opener, no doubt called 'going downstairs', a loping, chugging, head nodding sing-along gem of a cut That was prolly my second favourite one but it certainly was wicked. Surprised that isn't on the album (assuming it's him). I think it had to be either Galactic Traffic or more likely Synthetic Flemm which I'm thinking of, although neither contained the bit when it opened up and I don't remember the latter from well enough from Giles Petersen a while back to know if that was it or not. Whatever it was it just blew me away. But it's great hearing even just a clip of The Rink again as well. That burst a few brain cells when it dropped too. It just kept getting more and more ridiculously good at that point. Wicked that so much of that material is from this album and will be out soon! shame on you for not 'liking disco' before! but then in Theo's own words, a good dj can change your DNA ; ) Maybe what I should have said is that when I would have previously prefered a Cajual edit of a disco track to the original in 90% of the cases back then, he transformed that percentage considerably in favor of the originals. Or rather, yeah, he changed my DNA. ;) By the way, I'm now finally through part II of your ginormo mix. It's quite impressive that you managed to keep the selection of good chunes so high when you'd only just bought that massive haul! I plan to finish it by the end of the week, work permitting. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Theo Parrish @ Plastic People this Sunday
samples up here: http://music.rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=38806 i see Theo's 'Children of the Drum' 12 also has samples up here: http://music.rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=38807 robin...
Re: (313) Theo Parrish @ Plastic People this Sunday
an excerpt of that night: http://www.horselatitudes.co.uk/2007/02/19/theo-ology-2/ enjoy, c* -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer
Re: (313) Theo Parrish @ Plastic People this Sunday
Wow. This is obviously an audience recording, but it sounds pretty good, though the high end is really attenuated. On 2/21/07, Carlos de Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an excerpt of that night: http://www.horselatitudes.co.uk/2007/02/19/theo-ology-2/
Re: (313) Theo Parrish @ Plastic People this Sunday
By the way, I'm now finally through part II of your ginormo mix. It's quite impressive that you managed to keep the selection of good chunes so high when you'd only just bought that massive haul! I plan to finish it by the end of the week, work permitting. cheers Tris, glad you finally got round to listening seemed to flow sonically despite being 90% unplanned its still up here http://www.gakfoundation.org/5_17_20%20(192kbps)/ with a t/l here http://www.gakfoundation.org/5_17_20/5-17-20tracklist.rtf there's some impressive old humphries set up there too along with all sorts of other cosmic goodness/nonsense back to Theo. Rupi reminds me, he played the deepchord also http://music.rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=38143 On 2/21/07, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: JSS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2007 00:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313, Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish @ Plastic People this Sunday yes Tristan superb night wasn't it! Ade had Pharoah Sanders' beautiful 'Harvest Time' on as we walked in already the pilgrimage that is seeing Theo at Plastics on a Sunday night had begun not sure about the long one you mention (?), but i think probably my favorite of the night might have to be his 15 minute opener, no doubt called 'going downstairs', a loping, chugging, head nodding sing-along gem of a cut That was prolly my second favourite one but it certainly was wicked. Surprised that isn't on the album (assuming it's him). I think it had to be either Galactic Traffic or more likely Synthetic Flemm which I'm thinking of, although neither contained the bit when it opened up and I don't remember the latter from well enough from Giles Petersen a while back to know if that was it or not. Whatever it was it just blew me away. But it's great hearing even just a clip of The Rink again as well. That burst a few brain cells when it dropped too. It just kept getting more and more ridiculously good at that point. Wicked that so much of that material is from this album and will be out soon! shame on you for not 'liking disco' before! but then in Theo's own words, a good dj can change your DNA ; ) Maybe what I should have said is that when I would have previously prefered a Cajual edit of a disco track to the original in 90% of the cases back then, he transformed that percentage considerably in favor of the originals. Or rather, yeah, he changed my DNA. ;) By the way, I'm now finally through part II of your ginormo mix. It's quite impressive that you managed to keep the selection of good chunes so high when you'd only just bought that massive haul! I plan to finish it by the end of the week, work permitting. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Theo Parrish @ Plastic People this Sunday
It's been a long time since I've been really impressed by a DJ set and even longer since I last felt like 80+% of what a DJ played was right and good. Tonight Theo Parrish hit about 95+% correctness and dropped so many of his new tunes from CDR and so many amazing edits of the rest of his selection that I don't know how anyone could go back to just playing records. Seriously sickening stuff. The new (presumably) Sound Signature stuff is going to be unstoppable. There was one 25 minute long track that took 15 minutes to transform into acid. It was so mental when it did. I'm usually the last person to shower Theo Parrish with compliments since I figure nothing he can do will compare to the set he played at the first DEMF which transformed my taste to the extent that I started liking disco, but this exceeded that. Seriously proper stuff. I hope the rest of 2007 follows suit. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Theo Parrish - Falling Up (Technasia Remixes) (Third Ear)
underwhelming to say the least. probably will be the first record with theo's name on it that i wont be buying. tom On 11/2/06, Ramon Crespo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: surprised no one on the list is talking about this? what do you all think? samples @ boomkat. http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=24537 regards, ramon
RE: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism
-Original Message- From: Svagr, Jodie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 August 2006 19:18 To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism According to Discogs I've got all but a few. Careful with taking Discogs at face value...You may have all the Theo records that discogs lists, but don't believe that because Discgos says you have it all, that thats true. Discogs is user built, so it only includes what users contribute... much of it is inconclusive... the artist I manage has worked on and off with Theo for years, and there are 32 pages of DICOGS albums listed that don't credit him where it should (and thats all I've found so far)... Theo's list is inconclusive as well... as much as Discogs is working towards being the conclusive dictionary of all music, its not there yet... so keep searching... theres still lots of hidden gems yet uncovered. Yeah, I know it's not the bible just yet, and I'm not actually trying to become a completist, I've just realised I've got most of his catalogue and figured I'd get more info on the gems I don't have yet. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006
Re: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism
-Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 August 2006 18:12 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism On 8/19/06, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2x-pack? Nope. Which one is that? I've got the 3x12, All Over and this: http://www.discogs.com/release/4299 http://www.discogs.com/release/10673 the later album and 12 from it are them collaborating. the earlier 2x12 and 12 are compilations of their individual tracks. theyre all good though! Yeah, I reckon I'll need to get that at some point. Good luck without the repress though, right? Yeah, I dunno why but I've not convinced myself I need it. I know how highly people rate it. I'll prolly buy it when I get paid. :) have you heard it out? it was one that i didnt necessarily think would kill it because it seems so tame compared to some of his other stuff. but in reality its the combination of good melody and RIDICULOUS live drumming by jerry the cat that take it over the top. Gotcha. Consider me sold. Yep. It's in at Juno and Interstellar at a minimum. Overlooked it initially. Doh. i need to get a second copy of that one for sure. i traded a VG+ copy of romanthony's the wanderer on prescription (i have a m- copy still!) for a mint unplayed copy of that jam. oh well. I traded my only copy of 'The Wanderer' for some crappy warped Chris Gray record in a moment of utter insanity. One of the stupider things I've done, record-wise. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006
Re: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism
On 8/18/06, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So after picking up two more Theo Parrish records tonight I've realised that I've slowly and unwittingly nearly become a Theo completist. the only ones im missing are that mustang record (which im resigned to not owning, i just dont care about it enough to pay what people want for it), that apricot one, and essential selections 1. According to Discogs I've got all but a few. I've passed on a couple of Sound Signatures and I haven't heard the two on Music Is, the one on Apricot/Filth, the second on Track Mode, nor 'Mustang' (which I assume is fairly impossible to obtain). Are any of those essential? The three SS that I've passed on are You Forgot/Dirt Rhodes, Instant Insanity (actually not sure that I've heard this) and Musical Metaphors. Oh, and I can't convince myself to pick up Roots Revisited because I've already got Baby Steps. Am I crazy? DOOD. roots revisited has dan ryan on it which is surely one of theo's top 3 tracks of all time. the mix of walking in the sky on roots is unlistenable, but dan ryan is worth whatever they want for it. its such a killer tune. buy two and play double copies. the second one on trackmode is strange but not essential. musical metaphors is essential. i like you forgot but its not essential. id consider instant insanity as essential if you can get your hands on it for a reasonable price. was that included in this recent repress? to
Re: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism
also, i didnt see you mention it or not, do you have the first 3 chairs doublepack? the theo tunes on that are absolutely essential and its one of the harder to find jams of his. tom On 8/18/06, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So after picking up two more Theo Parrish records tonight I've realised that I've slowly and unwittingly nearly become a Theo completist. According to Discogs I've got all but a few. I've passed on a couple of Sound Signatures and I haven't heard the two on Music Is, the one on Apricot/Filth, the second on Track Mode, nor 'Mustang' (which I assume is fairly impossible to obtain). Are any of those essential? The three SS that I've passed on are You Forgot/Dirt Rhodes, Instant Insanity (actually not sure that I've heard this) and Musical Metaphors. Oh, and I can't convince myself to pick up Roots Revisited because I've already got Baby Steps. Am I crazy? Please tell me not to spend more money while things are kicking about. I know there's clips online for some of this stuff, but clearly I've not been persuaded by the clips yet. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006
Re: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism
'instant insanity' is absolutely essential! don't know if it's ever been repressed, but it's also on the 3 chairs double-cd, cd #2: http://www.discogs.com/release/313377 and i really dig that 'dirt rhodes' track too. c* Thomas D. Cox, Jr. schrieb: Are any of those essential? The three SS that I've passed on are You Forgot/Dirt Rhodes, Instant Insanity (actually not sure that I've heard this) and Musical Metaphors.
RE: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism
-Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 August 2006 03:57 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism the only ones im missing are that mustang record (which im resigned to not owning, i just dont care about it enough to pay what people want for it), that apricot one, and essential selections 1. Ah, well I guess you can get Essential Selections 1 now, right? also, i didnt see you mention it or not, do you have the first 3 chairs doublepack? the theo tunes on that are absolutely essential and its one of the harder to find jams of his. 2x-pack? Nope. Which one is that? I've got the 3x12, All Over and this: http://www.discogs.com/release/4299 DOOD. roots revisited has dan ryan on it which is surely one of theo's top 3 tracks of all time. the mix of walking in the sky on roots is unlistenable, but dan ryan is worth whatever they want for it. its such a killer tune. buy two and play double copies. Yeah, I dunno why but I've not convinced myself I need it. I know how highly people rate it. I'll prolly buy it when I get paid. :) id consider instant insanity as essential if you can get your hands on it for a reasonable price. was that included in this recent repress? Yep. It's in at Juno and Interstellar at a minimum. Overlooked it initially. Doh. @ Carlos - I'll prolly convince myself I need 'Dirt Rhodes' too. ;) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006
Re: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism
On 8/19/06, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, well I guess you can get Essential Selections 1 now, right? yeah. the worst part is that i saw it in 05, but i forgot that i didnt have it and passed on it when i was completing the rest of my collection. doh. theres a couple i want doubles of as well 2x-pack? Nope. Which one is that? I've got the 3x12, All Over and this: http://www.discogs.com/release/4299 http://www.discogs.com/release/10673 the later album and 12 from it are them collaborating. the earlier 2x12 and 12 are compilations of their individual tracks. theyre all good though! Yeah, I dunno why but I've not convinced myself I need it. I know how highly people rate it. I'll prolly buy it when I get paid. :) have you heard it out? it was one that i didnt necessarily think would kill it because it seems so tame compared to some of his other stuff. but in reality its the combination of good melody and RIDICULOUS live drumming by jerry the cat that take it over the top. Yep. It's in at Juno and Interstellar at a minimum. Overlooked it initially. Doh. i need to get a second copy of that one for sure. i traded a VG+ copy of romanthony's the wanderer on prescription (i have a m- copy still!) for a mint unplayed copy of that jam. oh well. tom
RE: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism
According to Discogs I've got all but a few. Careful with taking Discogs at face value...You may have all the Theo records that discogs lists, but don't believe that because Discgos says you have it all, that thats true. Discogs is user built, so it only includes what users contribute... much of it is inconclusive... the artist I manage has worked on and off with Theo for years, and there are 32 pages of DICOGS albums listed that don't credit him where it should (and thats all I've found so far)... Theo's list is inconclusive as well... as much as Discogs is working towards being the conclusive dictionary of all music, its not there yet... so keep searching... theres still lots of hidden gems yet uncovered. -J From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 8/19/2006 3:56 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Theo Parrish near-completism On 8/18/06, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So after picking up two more Theo Parrish records tonight I've realised that I've slowly and unwittingly nearly become a Theo completist. the only ones im missing are that mustang record (which im resigned to not owning, i just dont care about it enough to pay what people want for it), that apricot one, and essential selections 1. According to Discogs I've got all but a few. I've passed on a couple of Sound Signatures and I haven't heard the two on Music Is, the one on Apricot/Filth, the second on Track Mode, nor 'Mustang' (which I assume is fairly impossible to obtain). Are any of those essential? The three SS that I've passed on are You Forgot/Dirt Rhodes, Instant Insanity (actually not sure that I've heard this) and Musical Metaphors. Oh, and I can't convince myself to pick up Roots Revisited because I've already got Baby Steps. Am I crazy? DOOD. roots revisited has dan ryan on it which is surely one of theo's top 3 tracks of all time. the mix of walking in the sky on roots is unlistenable, but dan ryan is worth whatever they want for it. its such a killer tune. buy two and play double copies. the second one on trackmode is strange but not essential. musical metaphors is essential. i like you forgot but its not essential. id consider instant insanity as essential if you can get your hands on it for a reasonable price. was that included in this recent repress? to
RE: (313) theo parrish at the red bull music academy
Agreed! This is fantastic and enlightening material. Favorite moment; when Theo says, f*ck house music! That ought to be on a Sound Signature t-shirt. Cheers, lrh -Original Message- From: Joost P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:48 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) theo parrish at the red bull music academy This is great stuff! For some reason I wasn't able to find the Theo Parrish lecture earlier on that site either. But wow, this is so cool. And funny too. That second part is pure first class stand up comedy. I don't entirely agree with his standpoints on vinyl vs downloads, but Theo sure is some speaker. He should do this more often. Once again, inispiring stuff. And I'm so jealous of those RBMA contestants Joost On 8 Feb, 2006, at 2:17 PM, seek wrote: - Original Message - From: Wassim I cant find this on the site. Can you post a direct link to the page on which the lecture is located http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/DIARIES.18.0.html? act_aced=113act_dpid=92 Following lunch, it was then time for the Theo Parrish lecture. This was something I had been looking forward to for a while. Once things got underway, Theo took control. He started off by playing Stevie Wonder's 'As' and talking about how Lil' Louis played the track at a club in Chicago when Theo was 15 or 16 and how it blew his mind because he was used to just thinking of that track as something he sang with his mom. Theo was full of stories from his days in Chicago and Detroit and every track he would play seemed to put it in a new light for me. I think the lecture went on for over 3 hours. Theo was opening up about everything, from talking about going to college for art, to DJing and production work. It was definitely something special to hear Theo today. etc... seek jurren baars wrote: most of you will probably have allready spotted this, but there is now a video up on http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com of theo parrish's lecture during this year's red bull music academy. it is supposed to be an interesting lecture (can't comment myself, as i only get to see the video, somehow audio doesn't work...) so enjoy. jurren
Re: (313) theo parrish at the red bull music academy
I cant find this on the site. Can you post a direct link to the page on which the lecture is located jurren baars wrote: most of you will probably have allready spotted this, but there is now a video up on http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com of theo parrish's lecture during this year's red bull music academy. it is supposed to be an interesting lecture (can't comment myself, as i only get to see the video, somehow audio doesn't work...) so enjoy. jurren
