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The process is still interesting though, not everything is about A or B, sometimes the journey is more interesting... For me, the attraction has always been the content. I appreciate the inner consistency of their approach amidst the sheer variability of their musical output. I'd agree with Martin that there is very little that is "A or B" with TG. The becoming-journey is the focal point. I do wish I could see them live There's a DVD coming out soon, if you look closely you can see Surgeon down the front, having it large :) I'll always have a soft spot for them and the Cabs as they are the two groups that started me on this journey. Really enjoyed the last couple of albums from both as well, certain more interesting than re-workings of the sound of 1988... m
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Martin Dust wrote: On 29 Nov 2005, at 15:49, Kent Williams wrote: I've read through his websites, and interviews over the years, so I know he's always thought carefully about what he does, and that he's serious. But like a lot of artists I could name, I am not sold on the end product. The process is still interesting though, not everything is about A or B, sometime the journey is more interesting... For me, the attraction has always been the content. I appreciate the inner consistency of their approach amidst the sheer variability of their musical output. I'd agree with Martin that there is very little that is "A or B" with TG. The becoming-journey is the focal point. I do wish I could see them live
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Kelly, Stephen wrote: How can they? And why would they. Who just stands still and doesn't grow, both as people and artists... but who are tg relevant to now?.. apart from their old fans?.. do you know what i mean?.. there are going to be a lot of fat, balding blokes in berlin on new years eve.. Such a curiously phrased sentiment. Based on what you've said, it sounds like having an audience full of fat, balding blokes, who for all you know could very well have been TOPY youth "back in the day", is somehow a step down, or even inauspicous, for TG. It makes me wonder what significance you think being relevant to a presumably younger audience has.
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>I do know what you mean, I went to see Stiff Little Fingers a while a >go and had to leave for a number of reasons :) exactly.. the kids are listening to stuff like nu monkey which to my ears is bollocks, but there you go - our dads thought tg were bollocks too..
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On 29 Nov 2005, at 17:11, Kelly, Stephen wrote: How can they? And why would they. Who just stands still and doesn't grow, both as people and artists... but who are tg relevant to now?.. apart from their old fans?.. do you know what i mean?.. there are going to be a lot of fat, balding blokes in berlin on new years eve.. as a long time fan i just find it confusing.. the last thing i expect tg to be is predictable though, and perhaps this is the least predictable thing tg could have done.. I do know what you mean, I went to see Stiff Little Fingers a while a go and had to leave for a number of reasons :) I'd guess that there's plenty of people who didn't see them back in the day or who have got into them now. I think there stuff is still very relevant but I've no idea who's listening. the last thing i expect tg to be is predictable though That'll be the old age setting in> m
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>How can they? And why would they. Who just stands still and doesn't >grow, both as people and artists... but who are tg relevant to now?.. apart from their old fans?.. do you know what i mean?.. there are going to be a lot of fat, balding blokes in berlin on new years eve.. as a long time fan i just find it confusing.. the last thing i expect tg to be is predictable though, and perhaps this is the least predictable thing tg could have done..
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How can they? And why would they. Who just stands still and doesn't grow, both as people and artists... On 29 Nov 2005, at 16:37, Kelly, Stephen wrote: as a fan, i'm not sure that this throbbing gristle stand for the same things as before.. and that's what's most shocking to me..
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On 11/29/05, Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Massive fan as I am of UR (etc) that I am, I still find myself asking > what the hell relevance do they have vis a vis any one else's type of > self-expression? > > What you say about their work ethic might well be true, but it's a > sterile point in the context of this topic. i see kent's point, being that for UR everything culminates in their bringing in new people, "graduating" the old guys, and generally keeping the cycle of music as the main focal point. of course im also a fan of people who use spectacle in their art as well, such as lee perry or sun ra. all i know about TG or psychick TV is that the stuff around their music always seemed more interesting than most of the actual music itself, which is fine and dandy really, but it keeps them from being inspirational to me outside of the really remedial appreciation i have for things underground and contrary. id much rather rock some coil, or some other old experimental/industrial stuff. tom
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as a fan, i'm not sure that this throbbing gristle stand for the same things as before.. and that's what's most shocking to me..
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On 29 Nov 2005, at 15:49, Kent Williams wrote: There's obviously no accounting for taste -- and I'm def. not slagging yours. I have none so don't worry Kent :) I've heard a lot of Psychic TV over the years without it ever really getting under my skin. Not my cup of whatever. If you're a fan and Gen's work is meaningful to you, that's great. My first paragraph says precisely that I _don't_ think he just does things to shock. Agreed. I've read through his websites, and interviews over the years, so I know he's always thought carefully about what he does, and that he's serious. But like a lot of artists I could name, I am not sold on the end product. The process is still interesting though, not everything is about A or B, sometime the journey is more interesting... At the end of the day, there's so much music worth a listen out there that I've given up trying to keep current on everything, and follow my nose. Always worth a "dip" tho... And I live in Iowa, USA, so I've yet to get my head into the Daily Mail. Unlucky and lucky - just watch Fox News, you get the picture. And anyway, while one should not judge a book by its cover, artists definitely limit their audience with the cover they choose for their books. If you aren't willing to look beyond the cover, well you know the rest... :) On 11/29/05, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK, I'll bite Gen has always depended on shock to make his point, and he's made a few valid points along the way -- the primary one being to use any means necessary to resist subsumption into capitalist money making machine. One day, Throbbing Gristle has Parliement up in arms, the next, someone's trying to turn the outrage into something to make money from. If you think he's gone through what he has just to shock people, you probably need to think it through again because it's wrong on many levels. There's no doubt he does things to make you question things but pure shock is more Whitehouse than G-PO... On the other hand, there are people out there who make art that doesn't need to be offensive to be affecting and relevant. Case in point -- the rest of the TG crew's work after TG, which remained edgey and wonderful without being a complete freak show. Others might disagree with me, but I'd be a whole lot more impressed with Gen if he'd stop trying to make himself into a homely middle aged tart to scare the citizens and really get down to cases musically. Classic judging the book by it's cover, get your head out of the Daily Mail, since TG have you followed his work much? It's especially interesting -- for the purposes of this list -- to contrast the work ethic that Detroit Techno artists bring to the music with whatever the hell it is that Gen P Orridge is doing. The UR building -- with the garden tools in the entrance to the record store -- is far more revolutionary. Square peg and round hole spring to mind... m
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-Original Message- From: Kent Williams said: >Gen has always depended on shock to make his point, Point? What point? Maybe the 'point' is that there is no point. I certainly couldn't find one, even if I did find stuff in TG and after which I could enjoy. The question is why should anyone who makes art, make art that you don't find offensive? If you don't like it, don't look at it and don't buy it. (I say this as a person who's not particularly a fan of TG and as someone for whom TG's latest look is not particularly my cup of tea.) It seems muddle-headed to defend someone's right to do what they want to do artistically, so long as it doesn't offend you. >On the other hand, there are people out there who make art that doesn't need to be offensive to be affecting and relevant. Case in point -- the rest of the TG crew's work after TG, which remained edgey and wonderful without being a complete freak show. Others might disagree with me, but I'd be a whole lot more impressed with Gen if he'd stop trying to make himself into a homely middle aged tart to scare the citizens and really get down to cases musically. >It's especially interesting -- for the purposes of this list -- to contrast the work ethic that Detroit Techno artists bring to the music with whatever the hell it is that Gen P Orridge is doing. The UR building -- with the garden tools in the entrance to the record store -- is far more revolutionary. Massive fan as I am of UR (etc) that I am, I still find myself asking what the hell relevance do they have vis a vis any one else's type of self-expression? What you say about their work ethic might well be true, but it's a sterile point in the context of this topic. Ken
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There's obviously no accounting for taste -- and I'm def. not slagging yours. I've heard a lot of Psychic TV over the years without it ever really getting under my skin. Not my cup of whatever. If you're a fan and Gen's work is meaningful to you, that's great. My first paragraph says precisely that I _don't_ think he just does things to shock. I've read through his websites, and interviews over the years, so I know he's always thought carefully about what he does, and that he's serious. But like a lot of artists I could name, I am not sold on the end product. At the end of the day, there's so much music worth a listen out there that I've given up trying to keep current on everything, and follow my nose. And I live in Iowa, USA, so I've yet to get my head into the Daily Mail. And anyway, while one should not judge a book by its cover, artists definitely limit their audience with the cover they choose for their books. On 11/29/05, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK, I'll bite > > > Gen has always depended on shock to make his point, and he's made a > > few valid points along the way -- the primary one being to use any > > means necessary to resist subsumption into capitalist money making > > machine. One day, Throbbing Gristle has Parliement up in arms, the > > next, someone's trying to turn the outrage into something to make > > money from. > > If you think he's gone through what he has just to shock people, you > probably need to think it through again because it's wrong on many > levels. There's no doubt he does things to make you question things but > pure shock is more Whitehouse than G-PO... > > > > > > On the other hand, there are people out there who make art that > > doesn't need to be offensive to be affecting and relevant. Case in > > point -- the rest of the TG crew's work after TG, which remained edgey > > and wonderful without being a complete freak show. Others might > > disagree with me, but I'd be a whole lot more impressed with Gen if > > he'd stop trying to make himself into a homely middle aged tart to > > scare the citizens and really get down to cases musically. > > Classic judging the book by it's cover, get your head out of the Daily > Mail, since TG have you followed his work much? > > > > > It's especially interesting -- for the purposes of this list -- to > > contrast the work ethic that Detroit Techno artists bring to the music > > with whatever the hell it is that Gen P Orridge is doing. The UR > > building -- with the garden tools in the entrance to the record store > > -- is far more revolutionary. > > Square peg and round hole spring to mind... > > m
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OK, I'll bite Gen has always depended on shock to make his point, and he's made a few valid points along the way -- the primary one being to use any means necessary to resist subsumption into capitalist money making machine. One day, Throbbing Gristle has Parliement up in arms, the next, someone's trying to turn the outrage into something to make money from. If you think he's gone through what he has just to shock people, you probably need to think it through again because it's wrong on many levels. There's no doubt he does things to make you question things but pure shock is more Whitehouse than G-PO... On the other hand, there are people out there who make art that doesn't need to be offensive to be affecting and relevant. Case in point -- the rest of the TG crew's work after TG, which remained edgey and wonderful without being a complete freak show. Others might disagree with me, but I'd be a whole lot more impressed with Gen if he'd stop trying to make himself into a homely middle aged tart to scare the citizens and really get down to cases musically. Classic judging the book by it's cover, get your head out of the Daily Mail, since TG have you followed his work much? It's especially interesting -- for the purposes of this list -- to contrast the work ethic that Detroit Techno artists bring to the music with whatever the hell it is that Gen P Orridge is doing. The UR building -- with the garden tools in the entrance to the record store -- is far more revolutionary. Square peg and round hole spring to mind... m On 11/28/05, darnistle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jamie Stewart wrote: Sweet feckin jesus. I didn't think p orridge could shock me any longer but that last image popped my eye. Nasty. http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/ I still find it inspiring that he has maintained all these years. The spirit lives on. Wish I could see TG live :((
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Gen has always depended on shock to make his point, and he's made a few valid points along the way -- the primary one being to use any means necessary to resist subsumption into capitalist money making machine. One day, Throbbing Gristle has Parliement up in arms, the next, someone's trying to turn the outrage into something to make money from. On the other hand, there are people out there who make art that doesn't need to be offensive to be affecting and relevant. Case in point -- the rest of the TG crew's work after TG, which remained edgey and wonderful without being a complete freak show. Others might disagree with me, but I'd be a whole lot more impressed with Gen if he'd stop trying to make himself into a homely middle aged tart to scare the citizens and really get down to cases musically. It's especially interesting -- for the purposes of this list -- to contrast the work ethic that Detroit Techno artists bring to the music with whatever the hell it is that Gen P Orridge is doing. The UR building -- with the garden tools in the entrance to the record store -- is far more revolutionary. On 11/28/05, darnistle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jamie Stewart wrote: > > > Sweet feckin jesus. I didn't think p orridge could shock me any longer > > but that last image popped my eye. Nasty. > > http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/ > > > > I still find it inspiring that he has maintained all these years. The > spirit lives on. > > Wish I could see TG live :(( >
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They play Barcelona in March :) On 29 Nov 2005, at 03:12, darnistle wrote: Jamie Stewart wrote: Sweet feckin jesus. I didn't think p orridge could shock me any longer but that last image popped my eye. Nasty. http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/ I still find it inspiring that he has maintained all these years. The spirit lives on. Wish I could see TG live :((
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Jamie Stewart wrote: Sweet feckin jesus. I didn't think p orridge could shock me any longer but that last image popped my eye. Nasty. http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/ I still find it inspiring that he has maintained all these years. The spirit lives on. Wish I could see TG live :((
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yeah, his tattoo is crooked. - Original Message - From: "Jamie Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "vmax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin Sweet feckin jesus. I didn't think p orridge could shock me any longer but that last image popped my eye. Nasty. http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/ vmax wrote: It would be nice to see them come to the states.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Martin Dust wrote: They play Barcelona in March :) On 24 Nov 2005, at 15:23, vmax wrote: I agree, it is going to be a great night for all that attend.. I would like to be there as well.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle will perform two exclusive concerts for New Year's at Volksbühne in Berlin, Germany. The two gigs will be different performances with the second being a seated event with TG will create a new live soundtrack to Derek Jarman 's 1980 film In The Shadow Of The Sun. A brand new studio album Part Two is TG's first in 25 years and will be made available the Volksbühne gigs first. A major new TG / Industrial Records exhibition INDUSTRIAL ANNUAL REPORT will be shown at Kunst-Werke Institute for Contemporary Art , Berlin opening on 30th December through to March 2006. Dec.31 2005 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (concert) Jan.01,2006 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (soundtrack performance)' Martijn
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Sweet feckin jesus. I didn't think p orridge could shock me any longer but that last image popped my eye. Nasty. http://www.genesisp-orridge.com/ vmax wrote: It would be nice to see them come to the states.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Martin Dust wrote: They play Barcelona in March :) On 24 Nov 2005, at 15:23, vmax wrote: I agree, it is going to be a great night for all that attend.. I would like to be there as well.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle will perform two exclusive concerts for New Year's at Volksbühne in Berlin, Germany. The two gigs will be different performances with the second being a seated event with TG TG> will create a new live soundtrack to Derek Jarman 's 1980 film In The Shadow Of The Sun. A brand new studio album Part Two is TG's first in 25 years and will be made available the Volksbühne gigs first. A major new TG / Industrial Records +Records> exhibition INDUSTRIAL ANNUAL REPORT will be shown at Kunst-Werke Institute for Contemporary Art +Art> , Berlin opening on 30th December through to March 2006. Dec.31 2005 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (concert) Jan.01,2006 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (soundtrack performance)' Martijn
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It would be nice to see them come to the states.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Martin Dust wrote: They play Barcelona in March :) On 24 Nov 2005, at 15:23, vmax wrote: I agree, it is going to be a great night for all that attend.. I would like to be there as well.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle will perform two exclusive concerts for New Year's at Volksbühne in Berlin, Germany. The two gigs will be different performances with the second being a seated event with TG TG> will create a new live soundtrack to Derek Jarman 's 1980 film In The Shadow Of The Sun. A brand new studio album Part Two is TG's first in 25 years and will be made available the Volksbühne gigs first. A major new TG / Industrial Records +Records> exhibition INDUSTRIAL ANNUAL REPORT will be shown at Kunst-Werke Institute for Contemporary Art +Art> , Berlin opening on 30th December through to March 2006. Dec.31 2005 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (concert) Jan.01,2006 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (soundtrack performance)' Martijn
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They play Barcelona in March :) On 24 Nov 2005, at 15:23, vmax wrote: I agree, it is going to be a great night for all that attend.. I would like to be there as well.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle will perform two exclusive concerts for New Year's at Volksbühne in Berlin, Germany. The two gigs will be different performances with the second being a seated event with TG will create a new live soundtrack to Derek Jarman 's 1980 film In The Shadow Of The Sun. A brand new studio album Part Two is TG's first in 25 years and will be made available the Volksbühne gigs first. A major new TG / Industrial Records exhibition INDUSTRIAL ANNUAL REPORT will be shown at Kunst-Werke Institute for Contemporary Art , Berlin opening on 30th December through to March 2006. Dec.31 2005 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (concert) Jan.01,2006 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (soundtrack performance)' Martijn
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I agree, it is going to be a great night for all that attend.. I would like to be there as well.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle will perform two exclusive concerts for New Year's at Volksbühne in Berlin, Germany. The two gigs will be different performances with the second being a seated event with TG TG> will create a new live soundtrack to Derek Jarman q=title/Derek+Jarman> 's 1980 film In The Shadow Of The Sun. A brand new studio album Part Two is TG's first in 25 years and will be made available the Volksbühne gigs first. A major new TG / Industrial Records exhibition INDUSTRIAL ANNUAL REPORT will be shown at Kunst-Werke Institute for Contemporary Art +Art> , Berlin opening on 30th December through to March 2006. Dec.31 2005 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (concert) Jan.01,2006 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (soundtrack performance)' Martijn
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Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle will perform two exclusive concerts for New Year's at Volksbühne in Berlin, Germany. The two gigs will be different performances with the second being a seated event with TG will create a new live soundtrack to Derek Jarman 's 1980 film In The Shadow Of The Sun. A brand new studio album Part Two is TG's first in 25 years and will be made available the Volksbühne gigs first. A major new TG / Industrial Records exhibition INDUSTRIAL ANNUAL REPORT will be shown at Kunst-Werke Institute for Contemporary Art , Berlin opening on 30th December through to March 2006. Dec.31 2005 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (concert) Jan.01,2006 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (soundtrack performance)' Martijn
Re: (313) throbbing gristle/carl craig
Testing pressings out - promo's soon... 30/1/04 1:42 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED]@uk.pwc.com > does anyone have the promo of this on vinyl yet? > > I've only been able to track down a cd. > > needing it badly! > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > > >
Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle - Hot On The Heels Of Love - Carl Craig Remix
It's not as bad as it sounds :) But I do know what you mean... 19/1/04 10:08 AM Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Probably the re-edit he played in the set that was posted on here a while > ago? > There's a Throbbing Gristle remix album coming out shortly, so its probably > going to be on that. Personally, the idea fills me with dread, but there you > go... > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 19 January 2004 10:07 > To: 313 > Subject: (313) Throbbing Gristle - Hot On The Heels Of Love - Carl Craog > Remix > > > Is it out? Has anyone heard this? > > > # > Note: > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent > those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. > This email > and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use > of the > individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this > email in > error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thank You. > > # > > >
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>Is it out? Has anyone heard this? I would imagine it's that edit on that little mix he did that's on the rushhour page that we were all thinking, "wtf is that" at the time if you go to the rushhour page, there's a little mix on there, about 20 mins long - I presume it's the edit he's playing on that. might be wrong though, but that would make sense. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Probably the re-edit he played in the set that was posted on here a while ago? There's a Throbbing Gristle remix album coming out shortly, so its probably going to be on that. Personally, the idea fills me with dread, but there you go... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2004 10:07 To: 313 Subject: (313) Throbbing Gristle - Hot On The Heels Of Love - Carl Craog Remix Is it out? Has anyone heard this? # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Check here Rob for full details: http://www.littledetroit.net/News/artl.php?id=42 martin 19/1/04 10:06 AM Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Is it out? Has anyone heard this? > > ## > ### > Note: > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent > those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This > email > and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of > the > individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this > email in > error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thank You. > ## > ### > >
Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle
- Original Message - From: "Wes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jason Donnelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 9:29 PM Subject: Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Jason Donnelly wrote: > > > What did impress me was the synth's and sequencer action, from the sleeve > > notes these where down to Chris Carter can anyone point me to more of his > > electronic work?, any recommendations would be most welcome! > > I recommend the Chris & Cosey remix album, Twist, which came out on T & B > in 1995. Mixes by Carl Craig, Fred Gianelli, Vapourspace, Coil Vs Elph & > others. Theres a review at http://archive.awrc.com/c/twist.html > > You can probably find it second hand on cd (not sure about vinyl though). Second! I pulled this out not long ago and enjoyed most of it. One of the better remix albums ever made. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, its a series of Chris and Cosey remix projects that they've been putting out on CTI. Check www.chrisandcosey.com for details... -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 October 2002 18:50 To: Sean Creen Cc: 313 mailing list Subject: Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle - Original Message - From: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jason Donnelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 mailing list" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: RE: (313) Throbbing Gristle > There is also a recent Chris Carter EAR album with reworkings of TG rhythm > tracks which might be of interest. Is this the same EAR (Experimental Audio research) that Kevin Shields of MBV was in, or worked with? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Jason Donnelly wrote: > What did impress me was the synth's and sequencer action, from the sleeve > notes these where down to Chris Carter can anyone point me to more of his > electronic work?, any recommendations would be most welcome! I recommend the Chris & Cosey remix album, Twist, which came out on T & B in 1995. Mixes by Carl Craig, Fred Gianelli, Vapourspace, Coil Vs Elph & others. Theres a review at http://archive.awrc.com/c/twist.html You can probably find it second hand on cd (not sure about vinyl though).
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i have Techno Primitv by Chris And Cosey. dark, atmospheric, very uk, very electro & very nice. well produced too. published in 85 i guess. mine is a megadisc release. a got Phreek - I'm A Big Freak (R U 1 2) & Kebekelektrik - War Dance in the mail today. both blew my away. they even mix perfectly! Jason Donnelly schrieb: > Well I managed to track down the 'classic' Throbbing Gristle album '20 Jazz > Funk Greats' and to be honest, I was SO disappointed with 90% of it, but to > be fair it must have sounded amazing back in 1979. > > What did impress me was the synth's and sequencer action, from the sleeve > notes these where down to Chris Carter can anyone point me to more of his > electronic work?, any recommendations would be most welcome! > > and finally, does anyone have a copy of the Giorgio Moroder seminal > electronic album 'E=mc2', lots to offer in return. (cdr would be great) > > thanks > > jason
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- Original Message - From: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jason Donnelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 mailing list" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: RE: (313) Throbbing Gristle > There is also a recent Chris Carter EAR album with reworkings of TG rhythm > tracks which might be of interest. Is this the same EAR (Experimental Audio research) that Kevin Shields of MBV was in, or worked with? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Leaving aside the utter heresy of your opinion on 20 Jazz Funk Greats... I'm guessing you probably liked the "straighter" elements of the album, in which case you should probably investigate mid-period Chris and Cosey material like Exotica. There is also a recent Chris Carter EAR album with reworkings of TG rhythm tracks which might be of interest. BTW, 20 Jazz Funk Greats is far from TG's best work IMO, but is normally quite a good entry point for people coming from a "techno" background. I would recommend Heathen Earth or DOA if you want to dig a little deeper. Sean. -Original Message- From: Jason Donnelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 October 2002 13:33 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Throbbing Gristle Well I managed to track down the 'classic' Throbbing Gristle album '20 Jazz Funk Greats' and to be honest, I was SO disappointed with 90% of it, but to be fair it must have sounded amazing back in 1979. What did impress me was the synth's and sequencer action, from the sleeve notes these where down to Chris Carter can anyone point me to more of his electronic work?, any recommendations would be most welcome! and finally, does anyone have a copy of the Giorgio Moroder seminal electronic album 'E=mc2', lots to offer in return. (cdr would be great) thanks jason
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I think this album is incredibly good, from the first second to the last... but I can understand that someone with a background that's more techno than industrial/experimental to be disappointed. This being said, Throbbing Gristle, once they exploded, went in all sorts of directions, all of which could be interesting for you : - Genesis P Orridge went on to found Psychic TV, who had a trancey period for a while, even if it wasn't their best ; try to listen to "Towards thee infinite beat" (Mr Gianelli will probably be able to tell you a lot more about them...) - Christopherson became one half of Coil... everything they recorded is pure genius to my ears, you should check "Musick to play in the dark vol 1", gives an excellent view on their most electronic work - Chris Carter and Cosey Fan Tutti became Chris & Cosey, they are the most relevant for electro ; check out tracks like the classic "October", and the double-cd comp recently released on World Serpent. with these guys, it really is a matter of taste, so you'd better listen to these albums at friends' / download some MP3s from the net before you start hunting these releases... also be very cautious, because they released hundreds of records ! Gwendal > -Original Message- > From: Jason Donnelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:33 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) Throbbing Gristle > > > Well I managed to track down the 'classic' Throbbing Gristle > album '20 Jazz > Funk Greats' and to be honest, I was SO disappointed with 90% > of it, but to > be fair it must have sounded amazing back in 1979. > > What did impress me was the synth's and sequencer action, > from the sleeve > notes these where down to Chris Carter can anyone point me to > more of his > electronic work?, any recommendations would be most welcome! > > and finally, does anyone have a copy of the Giorgio Moroder seminal > electronic album 'E=mc2', lots to offer in return. (cdr would > be great) > > thanks > > jason >
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that song kick out the jams is awsome when they are playing it live. it is just too bad they couldn't hold it together longer then they did. it think they may be almost as good as Grand Funk Railroad. Nowhere near as good as the Stooges though. jeff > -Original Message- > From: Frederic Madre [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 1:18 AM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [313] throbbing gristle LP > > > Something tells me we're not in Detroit anymore ... > > yeah, let's talk about the MC5 > brothers and sisters, > f. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yeah, lets argue about Jeff Mill's liner notes again, that is a hell of a lot more interesting... From: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: RE: [313] throbbing gristle LP Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:14:12 - Something tells me we're not in Detroit anymore ... >-Original Message- >From: Gwendal Cobert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:04 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [313] throbbing gristle LP > > >> you might want to get the two diferent copies of REsearch >> magazine that have >> TG articles in them. they are both pretty good and fun to >> read. one is in >> the industral culture handbook which has articles on TG, >> Cabaret Volitare , >> montie coazaza (sp. "guys a freak"), non (extra freaky), and >> a few others I >> forget, but anyways it is a cool book with weird pictures and biazare >> articles. the second one I have not read in full so I cant >> comment on it's >> worth but it is TG and william burrows. in my glance over the >> articles >> looked diferent them the handbook. >for those interested : http://www.vsearchmedia.com/books/ichprod.shtml > >great pointer... I guess I'll get back to this thread after some reading ! >;-) > >Gwendal > >> ps. I forget which person it was but one of the articles in the ICH >> discussed the artists "last performance", I guess when the >> show was over he >> turn out the lights with a guillotine. now that is a strong stage act! >maybe you're thinking about Alice Cooper ? :-) > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Something tells me we're not in Detroit anymore ... Right ;-) - but at the same time, they were major influences for electro, weren't they ? I seem to remember I first got interested in these guys after somebody on this list pointing me to the similarities of sound between Adult & The Normal / Chris & Cosey... BTW, wasn't Alice Cooper from Detroit ? Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Something tells me we're not in Detroit anymore ... yeah, let's talk about the MC5 brothers and sisters, f. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Something tells me we're not in Detroit anymore ... >-Original Message- >From: Gwendal Cobert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:04 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [313] throbbing gristle LP > > >> you might want to get the two diferent copies of REsearch >> magazine that have >> TG articles in them. they are both pretty good and fun to >> read. one is in >> the industral culture handbook which has articles on TG, >> Cabaret Volitare , >> montie coazaza (sp. "guys a freak"), non (extra freaky), and >> a few others I >> forget, but anyways it is a cool book with weird pictures and biazare >> articles. the second one I have not read in full so I cant >> comment on it's >> worth but it is TG and william burrows. in my glance over the >> articles >> looked diferent them the handbook. >for those interested : http://www.vsearchmedia.com/books/ichprod.shtml > >great pointer... I guess I'll get back to this thread after some reading ! >;-) > >Gwendal > >> ps. I forget which person it was but one of the articles in the ICH >> discussed the artists "last performance", I guess when the >> show was over he >> turn out the lights with a guillotine. now that is a strong stage act! >maybe you're thinking about Alice Cooper ? :-) > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> you might want to get the two diferent copies of REsearch > magazine that have > TG articles in them. they are both pretty good and fun to > read. one is in > the industral culture handbook which has articles on TG, > Cabaret Volitare , > montie coazaza (sp. "guys a freak"), non (extra freaky), and > a few others I > forget, but anyways it is a cool book with weird pictures and biazare > articles. the second one I have not read in full so I cant > comment on it's > worth but it is TG and william burrows. in my glance over the > articles > looked diferent them the handbook. for those interested : http://www.vsearchmedia.com/books/ichprod.shtml great pointer... I guess I'll get back to this thread after some reading ! ;-) Gwendal > ps. I forget which person it was but one of the articles in the ICH > discussed the artists "last performance", I guess when the > show was over he > turn out the lights with a guillotine. now that is a strong stage act! maybe you're thinking about Alice Cooper ? :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 18:04 17/01/2002 -0500, you wrote: is that rono tse of disposable hereos on the cover? I can't check, I have the original edition of the book with a totally different cover... I suspect it's not though might be someone from neubauten or test dept judging from the instrument played f. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 14:56 17/01/2002 -0500, scotto you know wrote: you might want to get the two diferent copies of REsearch magazine that have TG articles in them. also of note Charles Neal's "tape delay" http://www.charlesnealselections.com/otherbooks.htm "Tape Delay by Charles Neal is a unique collection of interviews and exclusive writing featuring over 60 photographs and illustrations. Contributors include: Marc Almond, Dave Ball, Nick Cave, Chris and Cosey, Coil, Einsturzende Neubauten, The Fall, Diamanda Galas, Genesis P. Orridge, Michael Gira, The Hafler Trio, Matt Johnson, Laibach, Lydia Lunch, New Order, Psychic TV, Boyd Rice, Henry Rollins, Clint Ruin, Silverstar Amoeba, Sonic Youth, Stephen Stapleton, Stevo, Mark Stewart, Swans, Test Dept., David Tibet, and Touch." whose author has reconverted in a succesful wine connoisseur! f. http://2balles.cc - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Mike Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One thing I do need to get my hands on is Wreckers Of Civilization. It is a telephone book sized Coum Transmissions/TG bio. The bit I read was good, I just need to get around to picking it up. The ReSearch books on TG are good as well, but nearly as comprehensive. I've got a little biscuit tin... mt you might want to get the two diferent copies of REsearch magazine that have TG articles in them. they are both pretty good and fun to read. one is in the industral culture handbook which has articles on TG, Cabaret Volitare , montie coazaza (sp. "guys a freak"), non (extra freaky), and a few others I forget, but anyways it is a cool book with weird pictures and biazare articles. the second one I have not read in full so I cant comment on it's worth but it is TG and william burrows. in my glance over the articles looked diferent them the handbook. scotto ps. I forget which person it was but one of the articles in the ICH discussed the artists "last performance", I guess when the show was over he turn out the lights with a guillotine. now that is a strong stage act! _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, this is a good record. I play Hot On The Heels Of Love every so often on the show. You can really tell where Ersatz borrowed some of their ideas from. I still need to get a cd copy of Second Annual Report if for no other reason to have a copy of United on disc. The TG stuff has been reissued for awhile on cd, through the Mute: Gray Area series. DOA, and Heathen Earth are good too. One thing I do need to get my hands on is Wreckers Of Civilization. It is a telephone book sized Coum Transmissions/TG bio. The bit I read was good, I just need to get around to picking it up. The ReSearch books on TG are good as well, but nearly as comprehensive. I've got a little biscuit tin... mt From: "Gwendal Cobert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: RE: [313] throbbing gristle LP Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:47:13 +0100 yup, probably their best album, there are a couple of killer early electro tracks in there... I think it was reissued on CD a couple of years ago by Mute, along with most of their catalogue. BTW, I've seen in The Wire that there should be a new Chris & Cosey comp released, anybody got it ? and also, when is the great Tresor comp planned for ? Gwendal > found this on ebay for anyone who's interested, absolutely > nothing to with > me and I won't be bidding for it either, thought somebody > might like to > hear this often mentioned album: > > Throbbing Gristle: 20 Jazz Funk Greats LP (Current bid - $6.50) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1500996955 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> I liked it ... Tresor are moving on from pure break-neck > stomp, to somewhere > in between the sound of Globus and ... break-neck stomp! No, > if you like > tresor you'll like it. Plus u get to check-out "Digital > Tsunami" before > buying the vinyl ... Cool, I guess there's one more CD on my "to-buy" list... ;-) and yes, I really enjoy the current Tresor sound, "break-neck stomp" as you put it but full of surprises... exactly like the recent "Screw the roses" by Surgeon BTW. Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I liked it ... Tresor are moving on from pure break-neck stomp, to somewhere in between the sound of Globus and ... break-neck stomp! No, if you like tresor you'll like it. Plus u get to check-out "Digital Tsunami" before buying the vinyl ... >-Original Message- >From: Gwendal Cobert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:20 AM >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] Org' >Subject: RE: [313] throbbing gristle LP > > >> You mean a Tresor 'comp of comps'? because they had their >> latest one a few >> weeks before Christmas ... I forget the number but it's green >> coloured ... >Yup, I was talking about "True spirit", 3CDS pack... the green one is Annex >4 - is it good BTW ? > >Gwendal > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> You mean a Tresor 'comp of comps'? because they had their > latest one a few > weeks before Christmas ... I forget the number but it's green > coloured ... Yup, I was talking about "True spirit", 3CDS pack... the green one is Annex 4 - is it good BTW ? Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You mean a Tresor 'comp of comps'? because they had their latest one a few weeks before Christmas ... I forget the number but it's green coloured ... >-Original Message- >From: Gwendal Cobert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:47 AM >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [313] throbbing gristle LP > > >yup, probably their best album, there are a couple of killer early electro >tracks in there... I think it was reissued on CD a couple of years ago by >Mute, along with most of their catalogue. >BTW, I've seen in The Wire that there should be a new Chris & Cosey comp >released, anybody got it ? and also, when is the great Tresor comp planned >for ? >Gwendal > >> found this on ebay for anyone who's interested, absolutely >> nothing to with >> me and I won't be bidding for it either, thought somebody >> might like to >> hear this often mentioned album: >> >> Throbbing Gristle: 20 Jazz Funk Greats LP (Current bid - $6.50) >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1500996955 > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yup, probably their best album, there are a couple of killer early electro tracks in there... I think it was reissued on CD a couple of years ago by Mute, along with most of their catalogue. BTW, I've seen in The Wire that there should be a new Chris & Cosey comp released, anybody got it ? and also, when is the great Tresor comp planned for ? Gwendal > found this on ebay for anyone who's interested, absolutely > nothing to with > me and I won't be bidding for it either, thought somebody > might like to > hear this often mentioned album: > > Throbbing Gristle: 20 Jazz Funk Greats LP (Current bid - $6.50) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1500996955 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
