Re: [AI] National Association for the Blind (Delhi) invites applications for the post of Computer Trainer

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Hi all,
Any rough idea what salary is offered for these jobs?
Relocating to Delhi from Vrindavana means also renting a home Etc. I’m trying 
to ascertain if it is economical.

Thanks.

From: NAB Delhi Helpline 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 10:30 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. ; nabhelpline ; mryogeshtaneja 
Subject: [AI] National Association for the Blind (Delhi) invites applications 
for the post of Computer Trainer

NAB Delhi is a leading NGO working for empowerment of persons with visual 
impairments and multiple disabilities through education and training. NAB Delhi 
is well known for its numerous ICT interventions for the visually impaired 
including Computer Training and Digital Library.

ELIGIBILITY
• Minimum Class XII, graduates will be preferred.
• Diploma/Certificate course on computer training for the visually impaired
• Should be residing in Delhi or willing to relocate
• Experience of working in organizations similar to NAB Delhi will be an added 
advantage

Preference will be given to persons with visual impairment, interested 
candidates can send their resume by email to helpl...@nabdelhi.in latest by 
25-08-2023.

Shortlisted candidates will require to appear for an offline interview.


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Re: [AI] FW: Link to Podcast Episode "A Different Way of Seeing"

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Hi George,
I just listened to the podcast featuring you with Lois from South Africa. Very 
nicely structured and your story is very compelling and inspiring. People 
looking for encouragement and upliftment will do well just listening to your 
story. I certainly did at perhaps a low point in my life. It made me want to 
rise up and keep moving ahead again now as I find myself in a new country, not 
knowing the local language, estimating it may take me a lifetime to learn Etc. 
That discussion with you gave me a feeling of hope and a will for perseverance 
to accomplish.
I’m still onto everything we discussed and will put together content to send to 
you as we discussed telephonically the other day.



From: george.abrah...@gmail.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 8:42 PM
To: 'Saravanan K' via AccessIndia 
Subject: [AI] FW: Link to Podcast Episode "A Different Way of Seeing"

Hi,

 

Sharing the link to an episode of the podcast “A Different Way of Seeing” 
featuring me. This podcast is from South Africa.

 

Best, 

Good evening, George: 

I hope this e-mail finds you well.

Below is the link to the episode of the A Different Way of Seeing podcast with 
our interview. It was published today. 

https://iono.fm/e/1344345

I would be grateful if you could share the episode link with your network and 
on social media to build visibility and listenership. 

With my thanks,

Lois 

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Re: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies to the blind on request?

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

If such a law can be mandated would be excellent, but I suspect for that to 
happen will require the right legal professionals in very high places, very 
committed to the case. Getting the right thing done usually requires hard 
struggle. Such is the world we live in generally. Think of anything: banning 
GMO food companies that harm our health, stopping big pharma from manufacturing 
symptomatic relief dependency drugs over treating root causes of disease, 
legislating that building construction meets minimum standards or else face 
hefty fines, ensuring law enforcement is in line with legislation, and the list 
goes on. Usually we must fight to pressure the Government to protect us, what 
to speak of rights for the blind. I often wonder why this is? Is it that our 
leaders don’t care for the people but care only for money and profits at our 
expense?

Sorry, there I go analysing our world again. It is enough to know that The root 
cause is a lack of God consciousness that leaves us unprotected and allows 
materialistic leadership to rule.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

From: anirudh rao 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 11:01 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies to 
the blind on request?

yes completely agree on the point that such a law should be mandated.

OCR apps are not accurate and accuracy is inevitable when someone is reading a 
book for academic purposes.
I too had the same question in my mind lingering since few days now and was 
clarified by some of the insites provided here.
one more problem is that most publishers are unaware of disability in general 
and are just rude.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 8:51 PM drbsmkumar  wrote:

  Hi All, 
  Why should we buy a hardcopy book scan it and do an OCR? Are we not eligible 
to buy an accessible E book? There are so many leading international private 
publishers who are supplying digital E books with complete long description for 
that images.
  Hence, I feel we should work towards making a law which makes it mandatory 
for all the publishing houses to provide an accessible Digital books for people 
with vision in pairments.
  Regards,


  Prof. B. S. M. Kumar, MSc., MTech., PhD,  
  Cell: +91 9840139849


  Sent from my iPhone


On 14-Aug-2023, at 20:42, Aman Preet Singh  wrote:


Hi! I suggest you that, you may access the book with the help of 
technology for visually impaired. You may purchase It’s hard copy, scan its 
Pages with your mobile/scanner and create its PDF file, then you may read that 
file with any OCR app like kibo, envision AI, etc. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone


  On 14-Aug-2023, at 6:43 PM, Avichal Bhatnagar  
wrote:



  Hello Prashant Sir,

  Thanks for making things clear.

  However, the catch in this entire case is that there's no soft copy

  available anywhere, thus making it impossible for the print disabled

  to read.

  So, I wonder if a case against the publisher can be filed in the court

  of CCPD on the grounds of discrimination against the disabled?





On 8/14/23, prashant...@gmail.com  wrote:

Dear Avichal,

It is not necessary for the private publisher to provide an accessible 
copy

as of now.

The law permits you or any other institution  to convert it to an 
accessible

format without taking permission of the publisher/copy right holder.



However, if that book is being provided by any educational institution 
to

you, you can put the onus on the institution to convert it for you.



Publishers don’t want to share soft copy fearing piracy although there 
are

other ways to pirate the book if anyone really wants to do so.



This is how the copyright law has worked so far.



I wonder if the recent changes to the RPD Act rules can be  made 
applicable

on this particularly when only print book has been released.





Thanks,

Prashant





-Original Message-

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On

Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 3:10 PM

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Subject: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies 
to

the blind on request?



Hello list members,

As the subject line indicates, I want to know that if a visually 
impaired

person requests a publisher for the soft copy of a book, is the 
publisher

obligated by law to provide the same? If so, then can he be penalised 
for

not fulfilling the request?

Today, I called a publisher in Mumbai and requested for the soft copy 
of a

book which is quite essential for my doctoral research; I was willing 
to pay

the price of the hard copy for the soft copy, but the publisher's 
response

was very callous and insensitive.

The book 

Re: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies to the blind on request?

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Does India have an organization that scans to OCR books for the blind? You 
might want to consider such an option.
Even private individuals can do it at a small fee with software such as Fine 
Reader, Openbook and others (these days there may be other more accurate OCR 
software than I know about from my university days decades ago! 


-Original Message- 
From: Avichal Bhatnagar

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 6:43 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies 
to the blind on request?


Hello Prashant Sir,
Thanks for making things clear.
However, the catch in this entire case is that there's no soft copy
available anywhere, thus making it impossible for the print disabled
to read.
So, I wonder if a case against the publisher can be filed in the court
of CCPD on the grounds of discrimination against the disabled?


On 8/14/23, prashant...@gmail.com  wrote:

Dear Avichal,
It is not necessary for the private publisher to provide an accessible 
copy

as of now.
The law permits you or any other institution  to convert it to an 
accessible

format without taking permission of the publisher/copy right holder.

However, if that book is being provided by any educational institution to
you, you can put the onus on the institution to convert it for you.

Publishers don’t want to share soft copy fearing piracy although there are
other ways to pirate the book if anyone really wants to do so.

This is how the copyright law has worked so far.

I wonder if the recent changes to the RPD Act rules can be  made 
applicable

on this particularly when only print book has been released.


Thanks,
Prashant


-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On
Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 3:10 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies to
the blind on request?

Hello list members,
As the subject line indicates, I want to know that if a visually impaired
person requests a publisher for the soft copy of a book, is the publisher
obligated by law to provide the same? If so, then can he be penalised for
not fulfilling the request?
Today, I called a publisher in Mumbai and requested for the soft copy of a
book which is quite essential for my doctoral research; I was willing to 
pay

the price of the hard copy for the soft copy, but the publisher's response
was very callous and insensitive.
The book is not available as an ebook in any other format as well, such as
kindle.
He simply said that he would not provide the soft copy, and when I told 
him
that the book was not available in ebook anywhere, so he said that I 
should

read it when it becomes available.
I also told him that the book is a big one, so it'll take a lot of time in
getting it scanned and proofread, but he did not budge.
So, I request the legal experts on the list to please advise me as to what
will be the best course of action in this regard?
I am planning to sue the publisher in the court of the Chief commissioner
for persons with disability, please let me know if it is a good step?
Please also explain about any other laws in this regard.
Thanks,
Avichal
--
Avichal Bhatnagar
Assistant professor at
Department of English, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Khalsa College University of
Delhi

Doctoral research scholar at
Department of humanities
Delhi Technological University (formerly Delhi college of engineering)

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Re: [AI] Nobaflix, one of the first and best ott platform specially for the visually impaired people.

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Hi,
Can I propose that we have a way of excluding sighted people from exploiting 
the free sponsorship at the expense of honestly blind people?
Sighted people who pay generate income for this project.

May be someone on this list who knows the membership could verify blindness 
before onboarding the member. And some other ways of testing blind people such 
as: Visual appearance of defective eyes, knowledge of braille, knowledge of 
screen-readers Etc, as part of such testing, for those blind people not on this 
E-mail list.

Until UDID application process is effectively accessible around the country we 
might want to exclude that as a validation criteria for the moment, although 
those who have it but are not able to pass other criteria listed above may also 
be accepted. I’m thinking of at least limiting those not qualified to some 
extent.

Just some thoughts here, subject to your consideration of course.

Kind regards, 
Yamuna Jivana dasa

From: Omkar Pawaskar 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 12:00 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: [AI] Nobaflix, one of the first and best ott platform specially for 
the visually impaired people.

Dear All,
Are you a visually impaired individual who loves watching movies and web 
series? Nobaflix is here to make your entertainment experience inclusive and 
enjoyable! Nobaflix is an incredible OTT platform specially designed for 
visually impaired people, providing super hit movies and web series with audio 
descriptions, allowing you to watch independently and immerse yourself in 
captivating stories.
What is Nobaflix?
Nobaflix is a groundbreaking app that offers an extensive collection of movies 
and web series, all enhanced with audio descriptions. This unique feature 
enables visually impaired individuals to follow the plot, feel the emotions, 
and savor the magic of cinema, just like everyone else.
Sponsorship Opportunity by Hamdard Foundation India:
We understand that not everyone may have the financial means to access this 
amazing platform. That's why we are thrilled to share that Hamdard Foundation 
India is graciously sponsoring the subscriptions of Nobaflix for every 100 
visually impaired individuals who sign up for the sponsorship list.
How to Avail Sponsorship:
1.Download the Nobaflix app from the Google Play Store (link below).
2.Sign up and create your account within the app. 
3.When you try to play any content a verification page will appear, you can 
select from any of the three options.
4.Visit the "Subscription" section and "Request for sponsorship" your name and 
details will get listed to the sponsorship list.
5.Now you're all set to enjoy a wide range of movies and web series with audio 
descriptions, courtesy of the sponsorship!
Download Nobaflix App: 
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Sponsorship Video Tutorial: https://youtu.be/E9oaLsxpgec
Spread the Word:
We kindly request your support in sharing this message with as many visually 
impaired individuals as possible who are interested in accessing 
audio-described movies and web series. Together, we can make entertainment 
accessible to everyone.
Let's ensure that nobody misses out on the joy of cinematic brilliance. Join 
Nobaflix today, get your name on the sponsorship list, and experience the magic 
of movies with audio descriptions.
For more information or any inquiries, feel free to contact us at 
h...@nobaflix.com 
Thank you for your support, and let's make this world a more inclusive and 
enjoyable place for all!
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Re: [AI] Job advertisement for female computer trainer:

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Hi Anirudh,
The post requests female teachers to teach female students. It did not say male 
teachers cannot teach male students as a further elaboration. Therefore it 
cannot be classified as discrimination because male teachers and male students 
are not excluded from participating in education by their request, only that it 
be done within gender boundaries.

My understanding is that the school is probably for female students and if we 
understand the reason why a school is designated this way is obviously to 
protect the culture of avoiding loose mingling between male and female in a 
general sense. Our Indian culture in a traditional sense is very aware of 
chastity, integrity and protection against permiscuous conduct in its society. 
This is in fact commendable and is worthy of our appreciation.

Hope this clarifies my position on this.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

From: anirudh rao 
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2023 7:11 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] Job advertisement for female computer trainer:

I totally agree with Ritesh. 
hi Yamuna,
if there is such a culture that discriminates male members against their female 
counterparts, there cannot be anything abominable than that.
I am not of the opinion that the west is the best but am simply against 
hypocrisy.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 3:57 PM Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan Khandoo) 
 wrote:

  No that is not discrimination. It is culture at its best. The West promotes 
free mixing of sexes as normal. It’s not normal. And this is coming from a VI 
male BTW. Let female teachers teach female students if that is what the 
institution desires. It’s not inappropriate, discriminatory Etc.


  From: Ritesh Agarwal 
  Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 10:18 PM
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
  Subject: Re: [AI] Job advertisement for female computer trainer:

  What a discriminatory post against male VI candidates!!!  

  Regards
  Ritesh

  On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 11:36 AM sasikumar s  
wrote:

Greetings from Karna Vidya Placement cell!
Are you interested in teaching technology? Do you want to progress
your career as a Computer teacher? Then, here is the opportunity for
you.
Karna Vidya Foundation is looking for enthusiastic female Visually
Impaired computer teacher to promote computer literacy among the
Visually Impaired students.
Kindly go-through the below details clearly and apply, If your skills
match with this role.
Last date to register 06-08-2023.
Registration Link:
https://forms.gle/2jypzce8JA6Giicz5
Company Info:
Introduction to Karna Vidya Foundation
Primary vision and mission of the organization is empowerment through
employment for persons with visual Impairment.
The foundation provides career guidance, vocational and employability
skills training enabled by technology and need based training for
those employees, persons with sudden onset of visual impairment in the
middle years of life. Develops and publishes accessible reading and
learning materials in DAISY / epub and Audio formats for various
educational and competitive examination preparations needs in
collaboration with Bookshare.org, an international online accessible
library. Supports Children with visual impairments in schools with
STEM (Science Technology Engineering Math) education with volunteer
engagement. Reading and recording session for persons with visual
impairments through Karna Vidya Reading Centre and Library.

Responsibilities:
•   Train and instruct students.
•   Design and develop computer instructional material useful for
end-users and learners.
•   Design, implement and administer training schedules.
•   Evaluate and assess student progress, implement new technologies and
methodologies in training issues.
•   Assist and support other personnel in classroom management.
•   Review and evaluate trainee need and design appropriate course 
material.
•   Integrate best practices in training schedules, procedures and 
issues.

Require skills:
Good at teaching computer.
Good at handling students.
Good at operating technology with the help of screen reading software.
Good at problem solving.

Eligibilities:
Gender: Female.
Age: Below 35.
Disability: Visually Impaired.
Educational Qualification: +2 and above.
Technical qualification: Certificate course on basic computer training.
Languages known: Tamil and English.

Others:
Job Location: Madurai and Tirunelveli.
Number of openings: 3.
Pay: Company norms.

For further details contact: Sasikumar S 9789800794.
E-mail: train...@karnavidyafoundation.org

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Re: [AI] Job advertisement for female computer trainer:

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

No that is not discrimination. It is culture at its best. The West promotes 
free mixing of sexes as normal. It’s not normal. And this is coming from a VI 
male BTW. Let female teachers teach female students if that is what the 
institution desires. It’s not inappropriate, discriminatory Etc.


From: Ritesh Agarwal 
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 10:18 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] Job advertisement for female computer trainer:

What a discriminatory post against male VI candidates!!!  

Regards
Ritesh

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 11:36 AM sasikumar s  
wrote:

  Greetings from Karna Vidya Placement cell!
  Are you interested in teaching technology? Do you want to progress
  your career as a Computer teacher? Then, here is the opportunity for
  you.
  Karna Vidya Foundation is looking for enthusiastic female Visually
  Impaired computer teacher to promote computer literacy among the
  Visually Impaired students.
  Kindly go-through the below details clearly and apply, If your skills
  match with this role.
  Last date to register 06-08-2023.
  Registration Link:
  https://forms.gle/2jypzce8JA6Giicz5
  Company Info:
  Introduction to Karna Vidya Foundation
  Primary vision and mission of the organization is empowerment through
  employment for persons with visual Impairment.
  The foundation provides career guidance, vocational and employability
  skills training enabled by technology and need based training for
  those employees, persons with sudden onset of visual impairment in the
  middle years of life. Develops and publishes accessible reading and
  learning materials in DAISY / epub and Audio formats for various
  educational and competitive examination preparations needs in
  collaboration with Bookshare.org, an international online accessible
  library. Supports Children with visual impairments in schools with
  STEM (Science Technology Engineering Math) education with volunteer
  engagement. Reading and recording session for persons with visual
  impairments through Karna Vidya Reading Centre and Library.

  Responsibilities:
  •   Train and instruct students.
  •   Design and develop computer instructional material useful for
  end-users and learners.
  •   Design, implement and administer training schedules.
  •   Evaluate and assess student progress, implement new technologies and
  methodologies in training issues.
  •   Assist and support other personnel in classroom management.
  •   Review and evaluate trainee need and design appropriate course 
material.
  •   Integrate best practices in training schedules, procedures and issues.

  Require skills:
  Good at teaching computer.
  Good at handling students.
  Good at operating technology with the help of screen reading software.
  Good at problem solving.

  Eligibilities:
  Gender: Female.
  Age: Below 35.
  Disability: Visually Impaired.
  Educational Qualification: +2 and above.
  Technical qualification: Certificate course on basic computer training.
  Languages known: Tamil and English.

  Others:
  Job Location: Madurai and Tirunelveli.
  Number of openings: 3.
  Pay: Company norms.

  For further details contact: Sasikumar S 9789800794.
  E-mail: train...@karnavidyafoundation.org

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Re: [AI] Developing devices with and for the Visually Impaired

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Hi,
I just wrote the following E-mail to the Biped developers. Not sure how many 
of you will agree with me, but this is my opinion. You're welcome to share 
thoughts either way.


Hi,I just listened to a demo of the Biped device. One problem I foresee is 
that when a blind person walks around outdoors with earphones on, it is 
harder to hear the environment and to thus keep straight on the road or 
pavement Etc. An idea would be to mount small speakers on the user's 
sholders that do not intrude the ear-holes. This way the user hears the 
environment as well as the device. This is feedback from a totally blind 
person from birth. Thank you kindly.
By the way we cannot wait for you to include India in your distribution 
market. India is very populated and so too should be the percentage of blind 
citizens, so you should find a major market here. Your pricing should be 
tailored to the currency value, with the expectation of volume sales making 
up your profits.

Looking forward to your feedback.
Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Vrindavan India)



-Original Message- 
From: Pranav Lal

Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2023 7:39 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Developing devices with and for the Visually Impaired

Pinkesh,

The closest you are getting to an affordable sighted assistant are the video 
glasses being made by SHG Technologies. Wait for their next iteration before 
you judge them.


I do not know any more. I had met the founder on a recent visit to Bangalore 
where we had a constructive discussion on what was needed and I had a chance 
to see the product.


Most driverless cars have an array of sensors that are fitted on various 
parts of the car. These sensors then send data to a computer which does the 
processing and takes a decision. Where are you going to mount multiple 
sensors on a human? In addition, you need to power the computer and finally, 
convey the feedback to the human.


Having said the above, work is on in this space. See the below link for a 
reference.

https://www.biped.ai/
Pranav
-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On 
Behalf Of Pinkesh Tailor

Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 10:27 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Developing devices with and for the Visually Impaired

Can some artificial intelligent robot be developed at a very, very, 
affordable cost who can assist like a sighted escort. This is just inline of 
what Tesla is trying to innovate towards a driverless car.
Then why not a safe and carefree navigation on feet with a intelligent bot? 
to be named as "Sathi Andhero ka" :)


On 8/1/23, Saurav Hegde  wrote:

Hi,
Very good initiative but I have a suggestion to you and everyone
involved in developing technologies for the VI community.
Along with these braille devices, serious advancements need to be made
in the mobility space as I believe that mobility is one of the biggest
challenges for a VI person.
Mobility is just not being able to walk on the road, it includes
inhouse and in campus mobility. It is quite frustrating to need
someone's help in moving in a house just because it is new and unfamiliar.
You constantly have to plan your next move in order to prevent hurting
yourself or crashing into someone which could hurt them or create
awkward movements.
The blind cane is a great tool, I use it almost every day, but it has
started to become outdated for the 21st century.
It cannot be used everywhere and with ease.
Feel free to reply if you agree or disagree.

Warm regards,
Saurav Hegde

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 10:27 AM kaviraj prithvi

wrote:


Dear Group Members,

I am a recent graduate from IIT Guwahati and the founder of uDot
Braille Tech where we are building novel technologies including a
silent, backpack fitting braille embosser.

After a year of research and development in college, we managed to
achieve relatively noiseless and consistent quality embossing on
braille paper with a miniature device that would also be cheaper than
current products. This success and the underlying core technology
developed allows us to attempt previously unthinkable devices and
capabilities . Examples for potential products include a combined
brailler plus embosser and even full page refreshable displays.

We want to build a solution that can cater to as many of the
important requirements as possible, be it in the educational setup or
the workspace.
This is a full time effort and we are dedicated to a commercial
product launch in the coming months.

I seek your involvement in our endeavor via phone calls/online
interviews and any other subsequent form of engagement that is necessary.

Your active involvement and input will help shape the product that we
build. Therefore I request you to reach out to me if interested and
also inform anyone you know whose thoughts, experience can make a 
difference.


You can reach me at my mobile number, +91 9845809712 or email me at
kavirajprith...@gmail.com

Thanks & Rega

Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Email SignatureThanks for rectifying this for me.
Would be good to meet him some day. A brilliant musician. I wouldn’t want any 
of our blind community to feel disappointment in one of our own stars!

YJd

From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2023 11:33 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

Yamuna, I know Steevy Wonders closely through few friends of mine La and 
Detroit who were his classmates.

He is humble to his profession.

 

I wanted to call him to India in 2004 but couldn’t follow it up.

 

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 11:07 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any 
links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the 
content is safe. 

Hi Paul,

You wrote:

> It reminded me of Steevy Wonders singing in 1980S. >

 

I was going to take this off-list but because you brought in Stevie I decided 
to keep it here! I was always a fan of Stevie until a friend of mine from 
France who knew him and had a few encounters with him in Oregon in the U.S. 
told me of an incident when Stevie made a comment:

“When I sing, money jumps.”

I was so disgusted at his pride so that I felt very disappointed.

I only hope my friend either heard wrong or was just making that up. Will never 
know.

 

Please pray for me that I will always remain humble. Humility is the mother of 
devotion to God.

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia 

Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2023 11:00 AM

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 

Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

Hi Yamuna, wonderful song. It reminded me of Steevy Wonders singing in 1980S.

Keep up the good working of developing music in India too.

Best

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of george.abrah...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 10:42 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any 
links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the 
content is safe. 

Splendid! Would like to get on a call with you. Either you could share your 
number or you could give me a call on 011 45500380.

 

I look forward to connecting with you.

 

Best,

 

George

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)
Sent: 08 August 2023 10:31
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

Hi George,

You wrote:

> Did I read right about you being the singer in the video? >

 

Yes Sir. I composed and produced the music at my home studio mainly without 
sighted help. Then I sang the vocals and backing vocals myself. That all 
happened when I lived in South Africa. I have now moved to India.

Perhaps I will eventually teach this to other blind musician enthusiasts when I 
am back on my feet in India.

 

Kind regards,

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: george.abrah...@gmail.com 

Sent: Monday, August 07, 2023 3:41 PM

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 

Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

Very nice recording. Did I read right about you being the singer in the video ?

 

Best,

 

George

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)
Sent: 07 August 2023 14:00
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

Hi,

This sounds interesting. Is this held somewhere in India?

The song was professionally produced. Well done. Very modern and although it’s 
not my style of production I acknowledge it was very much in line with the 
music of today.

A little off-topic, but my complaint about modern English music is that they 
are required to swallow their lyrics as they sing so that it’s hard to hear the 
message, although the intonation of the vocal notes are very skilled.

I prefer lyrics that are spaced and easier to hear, and that the other 
instrumentation should not crowd the vocalist.

If you do that in modern music they will call it out-dated. For example, here’s 
a song I wrote, produced and performed where I keep the music simple enough and 
the lyrics easy to hear, which many have called out-dated:

Dream (Ballad mix) on Youtube.

 

In time this trend will continue so that unclear lyrics gets worse and more 
synthetic with autotune turning singers into robots.

I think real musicians should stand up so that trend does not continue. We are 
real people singing real songs in the real world. We should not allow the 
industry to trend roboti

Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Email SignatureHi Paul,
You wrote:
> It reminded me of Steevy Wonders singing in 1980S. >

I was going to take this off-list but because you brought in Stevie I decided 
to keep it here! I was always a fan of Stevie until a friend of mine from 
France who knew him and had a few encounters with him in Oregon in the U.S. 
told me of an incident when Stevie made a comment:
“When I sing, money jumps.”
I was so disgusted at his pride so that I felt very disappointed.
I only hope my friend either heard wrong or was just making that up. Will never 
know.

Please pray for me that I will always remain humble. Humility is the mother of 
devotion to God.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2023 11:00 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

Hi Yamuna, wonderful song. It reminded me of Steevy Wonders singing in 1980S.

Keep up the good working of developing music in India too.

Best

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of george.abrah...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 10:42 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any 
links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the 
content is safe. 

Splendid! Would like to get on a call with you. Either you could share your 
number or you could give me a call on 011 45500380.

 

I look forward to connecting with you.

 

Best,

 

George

 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)
Sent: 08 August 2023 10:31
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

Hi George,

You wrote:

> Did I read right about you being the singer in the video? >

 

Yes Sir. I composed and produced the music at my home studio mainly without 
sighted help. Then I sang the vocals and backing vocals myself. That all 
happened when I lived in South Africa. I have now moved to India.

Perhaps I will eventually teach this to other blind musician enthusiasts when I 
am back on my feet in India.

 

Kind regards,

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

From: george.abrah...@gmail.com 

Sent: Monday, August 07, 2023 3:41 PM

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 

Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

Very nice recording. Did I read right about you being the singer in the video ?

 

Best,

 

George

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)
Sent: 07 August 2023 14:00
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

Hi,

This sounds interesting. Is this held somewhere in India?

The song was professionally produced. Well done. Very modern and although it’s 
not my style of production I acknowledge it was very much in line with the 
music of today.

A little off-topic, but my complaint about modern English music is that they 
are required to swallow their lyrics as they sing so that it’s hard to hear the 
message, although the intonation of the vocal notes are very skilled.

I prefer lyrics that are spaced and easier to hear, and that the other 
instrumentation should not crowd the vocalist.

If you do that in modern music they will call it out-dated. For example, here’s 
a song I wrote, produced and performed where I keep the music simple enough and 
the lyrics easy to hear, which many have called out-dated:

Dream (Ballad mix) on Youtube.

 

In time this trend will continue so that unclear lyrics gets worse and more 
synthetic with autotune turning singers into robots.

I think real musicians should stand up so that trend does not continue. We are 
real people singing real songs in the real world. We should not allow the 
industry to trend robotic music to become the new normal.

Anyway sorry for the off-topic.

 

YJd

 

From: Aparna Sachdev 

Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2023 8:45 PM

To: undisclosed-recipients:

Subject: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

Hello again!
13 Disabled people walked into a coffee shop. Nope, not trying to make yet 
another tasteless disability joke. This past Sunday, 13 of us met up at the 
Café Coffee Day in Green Park to chat, share crip stories, and experience 
something of Disability Pride together before Disability Pride Month came to an 
end. Talk naturally turned to people’s first moments of disability pride – some 
people identified their first contact with collectivities of disabled people as 
the germinal moment for disability pride, others pointed to moments when as 
disabled people they experienced feeling and being recognised as competent 
human beings at university or at work. Still others identified “coming out of 
the closet” as a disabled person as being empowering. Interestingly, “coming 
out”

Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Hi George,
You wrote:
> Did I read right about you being the singer in the video? >

Yes Sir. I composed and produced the music at my home studio mainly without 
sighted help. Then I sang the vocals and backing vocals myself. That all 
happened when I lived in South Africa. I have now moved to India.
Perhaps I will eventually teach this to other blind musician enthusiasts when I 
am back on my feet in India.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa

From: george.abrah...@gmail.com 
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2023 3:41 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

Very nice recording. Did I read right about you being the singer in the video ?

 

Best,

 

George

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)
Sent: 07 August 2023 14:00
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

Hi,

This sounds interesting. Is this held somewhere in India?

The song was professionally produced. Well done. Very modern and although it’s 
not my style of production I acknowledge it was very much in line with the 
music of today.

A little off-topic, but my complaint about modern English music is that they 
are required to swallow their lyrics as they sing so that it’s hard to hear the 
message, although the intonation of the vocal notes are very skilled.

I prefer lyrics that are spaced and easier to hear, and that the other 
instrumentation should not crowd the vocalist.

If you do that in modern music they will call it out-dated. For example, here’s 
a song I wrote, produced and performed where I keep the music simple enough and 
the lyrics easy to hear, which many have called out-dated:

Dream (Ballad mix) on Youtube.

 

In time this trend will continue so that unclear lyrics gets worse and more 
synthetic with autotune turning singers into robots.

I think real musicians should stand up so that trend does not continue. We are 
real people singing real songs in the real world. We should not allow the 
industry to trend robotic music to become the new normal.

Anyway sorry for the off-topic.

 

YJd

 

From: Aparna Sachdev 

Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2023 8:45 PM

To: undisclosed-recipients:

Subject: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

 

Hello again!
13 Disabled people walked into a coffee shop. Nope, not trying to make yet 
another tasteless disability joke. This past Sunday, 13 of us met up at the 
Café Coffee Day in Green Park to chat, share crip stories, and experience 
something of Disability Pride together before Disability Pride Month came to an 
end. Talk naturally turned to people’s first moments of disability pride – some 
people identified their first contact with collectivities of disabled people as 
the germinal moment for disability pride, others pointed to moments when as 
disabled people they experienced feeling and being recognised as competent 
human beings at university or at work. Still others identified “coming out of 
the closet” as a disabled person as being empowering. Interestingly, “coming 
out” and the experience of pride in marginal identity seem to be mutually 
reinforcing factors, in that “coming out” is a declaration of pride, and pride 
makes it possible to “come out”. 

So much of the disability stuff we read came alive that day: we saw Crip 
Technoscience in action in the self-designed cane tips and telescoping white 
cane that blind physics professor Dr. T.K. Bansal had brought, another person 
wrote shayari about his frequent experiences of being unceremoniously grabbed 
and helped as a blind person regardless of whether he wanted it, a crip 
artistic rendering of #JustAskDon’tGrab. 

However, we collectively acknowledge that the group this time was largely blind 
people, and resolved that the Access Collective venues from hereon would be 
picked to be accessible to wheelchair-using folks. Our sincere apologies for 
not being able to ensure access for all for the first meet. The short notice 
(and our limited spoons) prevented us from carrying out an extensive 
accessibility recce of multiple venues. We would love for people to contribute 
with information, ideas, suggestions etc, because the Access Collective is 
envisaged as a decentralised endeavour where everyone has ownership of the 
group and its functioning. You can write to us at 
access.collectiv...@gmail.com. The next meet is scheduled for Sunday, August 
27th, venue yet to be decided. 

Okay, logistics aside, we’ve been very excited about something for the past 
week or so. Lachi, a legally blind black singer and founder of RAMPD released 
Lift me Up, a song written in honour of Judy Heumann, recognised as the “Mother 
of the US Disability Rights movement”, who passed away earlier this year. We 
can’t stop listening to it on repeat, it’s that incredibly good. Aptly released 
in the middle of Disability Pride Month, Lift me up is a tribute 

Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Hi,
This sounds interesting. Is this held somewhere in India?
The song was professionally produced. Well done. Very modern and although it’s 
not my style of production I acknowledge it was very much in line with the 
music of today.
A little off-topic, but my complaint about modern English music is that they 
are required to swallow their lyrics as they sing so that it’s hard to hear the 
message, although the intonation of the vocal notes are very skilled.
I prefer lyrics that are spaced and easier to hear, and that the other 
instrumentation should not crowd the vocalist.
If you do that in modern music they will call it out-dated. For example, here’s 
a song I wrote, produced and performed where I keep the music simple enough and 
the lyrics easy to hear, which many have called out-dated:
Dream (Ballad mix) on Youtube.

In time this trend will continue so that unclear lyrics gets worse and more 
synthetic with autotune turning singers into robots.
I think real musicians should stand up so that trend does not continue. We are 
real people singing real songs in the real world. We should not allow the 
industry to trend robotic music to become the new normal.
Anyway sorry for the off-topic.

YJd

From: Aparna Sachdev 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2023 8:45 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet

Hello again!
13 Disabled people walked into a coffee shop. Nope, not trying to make yet 
another tasteless disability joke. This past Sunday, 13 of us met up at the 
Café Coffee Day in Green Park to chat, share crip stories, and experience 
something of Disability Pride together before Disability Pride Month came to an 
end. Talk naturally turned to people’s first moments of disability pride – some 
people identified their first contact with collectivities of disabled people as 
the germinal moment for disability pride, others pointed to moments when as 
disabled people they experienced feeling and being recognised as competent 
human beings at university or at work. Still others identified “coming out of 
the closet” as a disabled person as being empowering. Interestingly, “coming 
out” and the experience of pride in marginal identity seem to be mutually 
reinforcing factors, in that “coming out” is a declaration of pride, and pride 
makes it possible to “come out”. 

So much of the disability stuff we read came alive that day: we saw Crip 
Technoscience in action in the self-designed cane tips and telescoping white 
cane that blind physics professor Dr. T.K. Bansal had brought, another person 
wrote shayari about his frequent experiences of being unceremoniously grabbed 
and helped as a blind person regardless of whether he wanted it, a crip 
artistic rendering of #JustAskDon’tGrab. 

However, we collectively acknowledge that the group this time was largely blind 
people, and resolved that the Access Collective venues from hereon would be 
picked to be accessible to wheelchair-using folks. Our sincere apologies for 
not being able to ensure access for all for the first meet. The short notice 
(and our limited spoons) prevented us from carrying out an extensive 
accessibility recce of multiple venues. We would love for people to contribute 
with information, ideas, suggestions etc, because the Access Collective is 
envisaged as a decentralised endeavour where everyone has ownership of the 
group and its functioning. You can write to us at 
access.collectiv...@gmail.com. The next meet is scheduled for Sunday, August 
27th, venue yet to be decided. 

Okay, logistics aside, we’ve been very excited about something for the past 
week or so. Lachi, a legally blind black singer and founder of RAMPD released 
Lift me Up, a song written in honour of Judy Heumann, recognised as the “Mother 
of the US Disability Rights movement”, who passed away earlier this year. We 
can’t stop listening to it on repeat, it’s that incredibly good. Aptly released 
in the middle of Disability Pride Month, Lift me up is a tribute to the 
interdependence, care and community that exists and thrives among disabled 
people everywhere. Give it a listen! 
Wishing everyone a happy friendship day!
Cheers,
The Access Collective Team
Sandeep R. Singh and Aparna Sachdev


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[AI] Re: Accessibility Accountability with larger companies

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Is there someone on this list or perhaps a designated body of people involved 
with representing to companies for specific accessibility guidelines, to 
implement in their code or those things to avoid, then following up to see if 
they are at all inclined to accessibility adjustments, and if not to hold them 
accountable via regulative processes?

Thanks.

From: Sadananda Konsam 
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2023 6:45 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative

We need to file representation to the chip executive officer of bharti airtel 
for making airtel thanks app should be made accessible for uses with vision 
employment.

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 5:38 PM Gajendra Vyas  wrote:

  You can pay on website with n v d a .

  -Original Message-
  From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] 
On Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
  Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 8:16 PM
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
  Subject: Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative

  @Yamuna, you will be able to pay your airtel bills from third party
  apps like paytm or amazon or gpay for that matter. What you need to
  know, your customer id or fiber landline number and you will have to
  choose plan and proceed to payment, in this case you will bypass
  inaccessible airtel interface.
  As i mentioned in my earlier message, i followed the link that was
  sent to me by airtel through text message, all of my details were
  already filled over there, i simply chose the plan and proceed to
  payment through my airtel axis bank credit card. For bills and other
  prepaid recharges of my prepaid airtel number, i use airtel thanks app
  only as its partially accessible or i use airtel light app which is
  fully accessible with limited functionality.

  On 8/4/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)  wrote:
  > Hi Pranav,
  > You say it is possible to use the bank’s interface to pay the bill.
  > Do they send you a link by E-mail or something like that which takes you to
  > the payment gateway of your Bank to login and pay from there? Or please say
  > how you would do it from the bank directly? If I remember correctly those
  > links are only active for 30 minutes or so and then they expire. That’s what
  > happened when they signed me up for the first time: the agent sent me a link
  > by Whatsapp but by the time I managed to get in the link had expired. He
  > sent it again then it worked. It took me to the Airtel page to show the
  > payment details, allowed me to click the Pay button which directed the
  > browser to the Login for ICICI, and once logged in there was a direct option
  > to pay with OTP to confirm from my phone number linked to my ICICI account.
  > Is this how it works?
  >
  > Thanks.
  >
  > Yamuna Jivana dasa
  >
  > From: Pranav Lal
  > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2023 5:09 PM
  > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
  > Subject: RE: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative
  >
  > Hi all,
  >
  >
  >
  > The trick with airtel is not to use their site.
  >
  >
  >
  > Use your bank or paytm to pay your bill.
  >
  >
  >
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Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Hi Mohib,

Thanks for your replies. I don't understand what is the "wallet", Google 
wallet or PayTM wallet concept.
Do they not only serve as a gateway between your bank and your payment 
recipient? Or do you have to top up their wallet first from your bank 
account before you can pay from those platforms, in which case it would not 
be an automatic gateway between your bank balance and the payee you are 
paying?


Once my Aadhaar card is fixed can I use Aadhaar as KYC? What else do they 
require? I mean Google Pay?


You said Airtel Thanks App is parcially accessible - I did not get the same 
experience - most of the stuff on screen appears to be nonsensical links I 
can't exactly know what they are, and I can't find out where to even login.

But I will try the airtel light App and see how that goes.

Thanks for all the info.
Yamuna Jivana dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Mohib Anwar Rafay

Sent: Friday, August 04, 2023 8:15 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative

@Yamuna, you will be able to pay your airtel bills from third party
apps like paytm or amazon or gpay for that matter. What you need to
know, your customer id or fiber landline number and you will have to
choose plan and proceed to payment, in this case you will bypass
inaccessible airtel interface.
As i mentioned in my earlier message, i followed the link that was
sent to me by airtel through text message, all of my details were
already filled over there, i simply chose the plan and proceed to
payment through my airtel axis bank credit card. For bills and other
prepaid recharges of my prepaid airtel number, i use airtel thanks app
only as its partially accessible or i use airtel light app which is
fully accessible with limited functionality.

On 8/4/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)  wrote:

Hi Pranav,
You say it is possible to use the bank’s interface to pay the bill.
Do they send you a link by E-mail or something like that which takes you 
to
the payment gateway of your Bank to login and pay from there? Or please 
say

how you would do it from the bank directly? If I remember correctly those
links are only active for 30 minutes or so and then they expire. That’s 
what
happened when they signed me up for the first time: the agent sent me a 
link

by Whatsapp but by the time I managed to get in the link had expired. He
sent it again then it worked. It took me to the Airtel page to show the
payment details, allowed me to click the Pay button which directed the
browser to the Login for ICICI, and once logged in there was a direct 
option
to pay with OTP to confirm from my phone number linked to my ICICI 
account.

Is this how it works?

Thanks.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

From: Pranav Lal
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2023 5:09 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative

Hi all,



The trick with airtel is not to use their site.



Use your bank or paytm to pay your bill.



Pranav

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Re: [AI] PayTM or Google Pay?

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

I don't have credit card, only debit card. Will it still work? Do you link 
the Google Pay with the bank account or the bank card? Really nervous about 
exposing my money this way.


YJd


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Sent: Friday, August 04, 2023 9:16 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
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Even Google pay has option to pay any bill using Credit card.

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Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay

Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 8:08 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PayTM or Google Pay?

Use google pay, as Paytm has few accessibility issues with talkback.
Furthermore, paytm is not allowing the new users to complete KYC, 
resultantly you won't be able to use paytm wallet to its fullest capacity. 
For bill pay, money transfer and recharges google pay app is just fine, 
however g pay has not wallet unlike paytm. You can link your rupay credit 
cards in both the apps for seemless qr scan payment at the stores. In case 
you might  have further specific question, you are welcome. .


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Anybody here used both PayTM and Google Pay?
I’ve never used either of them and would like some comparison
regarding which platform is:
1. Most accessible to Talkback or Jaws; 2. Used by most providers in
India such as Government Electricity and gas supplier, phone companies
Etc.
Any thoughts will be welcome.
Thanks.
YJd

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[AI] PayTM or Google Pay?

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Anybody here used both PayTM and Google Pay?
I’ve never used either of them and would like some comparison regarding which 
platform is:
1. Most accessible to Talkback or Jaws;
2. Used by most providers in India such as Government Electricity and gas 
supplier, phone companies Etc.
Any thoughts will be welcome.
Thanks.
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Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Hi Pranav,
You say it is possible to use the bank’s interface to pay the bill.
Do they send you a link by E-mail or something like that which takes you to the 
payment gateway of your Bank to login and pay from there? Or please say how you 
would do it from the bank directly? If I remember correctly those links are 
only active for 30 minutes or so and then they expire. That’s what happened 
when they signed me up for the first time: the agent sent me a link by Whatsapp 
but by the time I managed to get in the link had expired. He sent it again then 
it worked. It took me to the Airtel page to show the payment details, allowed 
me to click the Pay button which directed the browser to the Login for ICICI, 
and once logged in there was a direct option to pay with OTP to confirm from my 
phone number linked to my ICICI account. Is this how it works?

Thanks.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

From: Pranav Lal 
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2023 5:09 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: RE: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative

Hi all,

 

The trick with airtel is not to use their site. 

 

Use your bank or paytm to pay your bill.

 

Pranav

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Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Hi,
Airtel.in website doesn’t allow login. When we try it says “We have error 
connecting. Please press retry to try again”. Then the same thing happens if we 
press Retry.
I am convinced that Airtel wants to make the App the only mechanism for 
payments, support and other features of their service. This is obvious from 
everything displayed on their website. Does anyone know if there is a blindness 
organization challenging Airtel for their lack of accessibility to their Thanks 
App? I say no thanks to AirTel for now! Problem is I’ve paid for 3 months fiber 
and now the connection is dead, and no support to reach. Terrible!


From: BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2023 6:45 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative

Try airtel.in through your web browser on your desktop. hope this will help.



On 8/1/2023 5:11 PM, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo) wrote:

  Hi friends,

  Anybody here using Airtel Fibre?
  The Airtel Thanks App is inaccessible to Talkback. How do you make payments 
for services such as your monthly Fibre premiums without sighted help?
  I tried using the website airtel.in but functionality seems to be limited and 
they are using the web interface more to push users to performing these 
functions from the App.

  Any thoughts?
  Thanks

  Yamuna Jivana dasa

  From: Saurav Hegde 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2023 11:52 AM
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
  Subject: Re: [AI] Developing devices with and for the Visually Impaired

  Hi, 
  Very good initiative but I have a suggestion to you and everyone involved in 
developing technologies for the VI community.
  Along with these braille devices, serious advancements need to be made in the 
mobility space as I believe that mobility is one of the biggest challenges for 
a VI person.
  Mobility is just not being able to walk on the road, it includes inhouse and 
in campus mobility. It is quite frustrating to need someone's help in moving in 
a house just because it is new and unfamiliar.
  You constantly have to plan your next move in order to prevent hurting 
yourself or crashing into someone which could hurt them or create awkward 
movements.
  The blind cane is a great tool, I use it almost every day, but it has started 
to become outdated for the 21st century.
  It cannot be used everywhere and with ease.
  Feel free to reply if you agree or disagree.

  Warm regards,
  Saurav Hegde

  On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 10:27 AM kaviraj prithvi  
wrote:

Dear Group Members, 

I am a recent graduate from IIT Guwahati and the founder of uDot Braille 
Tech where we are building novel technologies including a silent, backpack 
fitting braille embosser. 

After a year of research and development in college, we managed to achieve 
relatively noiseless and consistent quality embossing on braille paper with a 
miniature device that would also be cheaper than current products. This success 
and the underlying core technology developed allows us to attempt previously 
unthinkable devices and capabilities . Examples for potential products include 
a combined brailler plus embosser and even full page refreshable displays.

We want to build a solution that can cater to as many of the important 
requirements as possible, be it in the educational setup or the workspace. This 
is a full time effort and we are dedicated to a commercial product launch in 
the coming months.

I seek your involvement in our endeavor via phone calls/online interviews 
and any other subsequent form of engagement that is necessary. 

Your active involvement and input will help shape the product that we 
build. Therefore I request you to reach out to me if interested and also inform 
anyone you know whose thoughts, experience can make a difference.

You can reach me at my mobile number, +91 9845809712 or email me at 
kavirajprith...@gmail.com

Thanks & Regards 

Kaviraj Prithvi

uDot Braille Tech Pvt Ltd
+91 9845809712
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[AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative

[Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo)]

Hi friends,

Anybody here using Airtel Fibre?
The Airtel Thanks App is inaccessible to Talkback. How do you make payments for 
services such as your monthly Fibre premiums without sighted help?
I tried using the website airtel.in but functionality seems to be limited and 
they are using the web interface more to push users to performing these 
functions from the App.

Any thoughts?
Thanks

Yamuna Jivana dasa

From: Saurav Hegde 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2023 11:52 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] Developing devices with and for the Visually Impaired

Hi, 
Very good initiative but I have a suggestion to you and everyone involved in 
developing technologies for the VI community.
Along with these braille devices, serious advancements need to be made in the 
mobility space as I believe that mobility is one of the biggest challenges for 
a VI person.
Mobility is just not being able to walk on the road, it includes inhouse and in 
campus mobility. It is quite frustrating to need someone's help in moving in a 
house just because it is new and unfamiliar.
You constantly have to plan your next move in order to prevent hurting yourself 
or crashing into someone which could hurt them or create awkward movements.
The blind cane is a great tool, I use it almost every day, but it has started 
to become outdated for the 21st century.
It cannot be used everywhere and with ease.
Feel free to reply if you agree or disagree.

Warm regards,
Saurav Hegde

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 10:27 AM kaviraj prithvi  
wrote:

  Dear Group Members, 

  I am a recent graduate from IIT Guwahati and the founder of uDot Braille Tech 
where we are building novel technologies including a silent, backpack fitting 
braille embosser. 

  After a year of research and development in college, we managed to achieve 
relatively noiseless and consistent quality embossing on braille paper with a 
miniature device that would also be cheaper than current products. This success 
and the underlying core technology developed allows us to attempt previously 
unthinkable devices and capabilities . Examples for potential products include 
a combined brailler plus embosser and even full page refreshable displays.

  We want to build a solution that can cater to as many of the important 
requirements as possible, be it in the educational setup or the workspace. This 
is a full time effort and we are dedicated to a commercial product launch in 
the coming months.

  I seek your involvement in our endeavor via phone calls/online interviews and 
any other subsequent form of engagement that is necessary. 

  Your active involvement and input will help shape the product that we build. 
Therefore I request you to reach out to me if interested and also inform anyone 
you know whose thoughts, experience can make a difference.

  You can reach me at my mobile number, +91 9845809712 or email me at 
kavirajprith...@gmail.com

  Thanks & Regards 

  Kaviraj Prithvi

  uDot Braille Tech Pvt Ltd
  +91 9845809712
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Re: [AI] Audio Musical theatre

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Respected greetings.
If this could be dubbed into English would be a great learning tool between 
English and Hindi, while learning a lot about the cultural aspects too. I would 
personally love that, if at all possible.
Just my wishlist!

Kind regards
Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Vedprakash Sharma 
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Subject: RE: [AI] Audio Musical theatre

Very good presentation. Confidence and simplicity were two basic 
characteristics which I could clearly feel all through this audio. Which app 
did you use to create a very balanced recording?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Aishwarya Pillai
Sent: 10 July 2023 03:48 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Audio Musical theatre

 

Hi All,

 

I had the incredible opportunity to write, narrate, and direct this

audio musical theatre attached to this email. This tale explores the

common concerns that many people have when it comes to building

relationships with individuals who are visually impaired.

Meet Aashika, a remarkable young woman who, despite her visual

impairment, shines as a beacon of success and inspiration. But what

happens when someone she loves turns their back on her simply because

she cannot see?

I want to express my heartfelt gratitude to LVPEI's Institute for

Vision Rehabilitation for giving me this amazing chance to bring this

production to life. I would also like to extend my special thanks to

Vinay, the Sound Editor, whose invaluable help made the audio mixing

possible.

Oh, and a little side note: Many people have been curious and asked me

if I am Aashika. But let me assure you, I'm just the storyteller here,

shedding light on the realities within the visually impaired

community. It's definitely not about me. And yes, I've been jokingly

called a "Sadist" for some parts of the script, but I couldn't help

it—I wanted to showcase the raw truth, even if it stings a little.

 

With regards,

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Re: [AI] Invite: Smart Vision Device distribution and Cultural program by LV Prasad Eye Institute

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Pranav wrote:
You will need to practice moving your head to scan your surroundings 
because the camera has a narrow field of view. This is something to get 
used to. It is sort of similar to swinging your cane. >


Now that doesn't sound too difficult for someone like me. I'm always told to 
stop swinging my head. Apparently those born blind have a tendency to do 
that unusually more than sightlings. Even as I grow older I haven't fully 
overcome this. Of course to be serious this discussion assumes doing it in a 
systematic way for getting the full field of vision.


Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Pranav Lal

Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2023 6:27 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Invite: Smart Vision Device distribution and Cultural 
program by LV Prasad Eye Institute


Hi all,

I had a chance to try the device on a recent visit to Bangalore.

Yes, improvements are in the works. However, the device is useful as it 
stands. The reading feature does work well but I was more interested in the 
walking assistant. It is extremely handy if you are going sighted guide 
because it does detect obstacles and gives you a distance reading. Moreover, 
you can scan for what is around you and not rely totally on the assistant.


Yes, because the device uses AI, it as of this writing is unable to name all 
obstacles. However, it did detect staircases which was my primary use case.


One thing with this device and with any other solution using a head mounted 
camera.


You will need to practice moving your head to scan your surroundings because 
the camera has a narrow field of view. This is something to get used to. It 
is sort of similar to swinging your cane.

Pranav

-Original Message-
From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia 
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2023 11:42 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Aishwarya Pillai 

Subject: RE: [AI] Invite: Smart Vision Device distribution and Cultural 
program by LV Prasad Eye Institute


Not worth buying for Rs.30K.
It is very good for reading purpose and not other features like walking 
around, identifying steps and identifying people; it says near to the truth 
like a man with 25 years looking happy and so on.


They are trying to improve services after getting suggestions from users.


Regards

-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On 
Behalf Of Satguru Rathi

Sent: Friday, July 7, 2023 11:23 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Aishwarya Pillai 

Subject: Re: [AI] Invite: Smart Vision Device distribution and Cultural 
program by LV Prasad Eye Institute


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Dear Aishwarya,


Do you have any information regarding individually buying the smart vision 
glasses? I live in U.P and unable to attend the event but am interested to 
try these glasses.



If others on the list have any inputs about these glasses; if they are worth 
buying, please comment. Do they come any closer to the EnVision glasses 
given the point that these cost 10th of the latter.



With best regards,
Satguru Rathi.
Mobile: +919871489945

On 7/7/2023 10:39 AM, Aishwarya Pillai wrote:

Hi All,

Come and be a part of the exciting event hosted by LV Prasad Eye
Institute's Institute for Vision Rehabilitation on 8th July 2023. We
are organizing a Smart Vision Device distribution event in
collaboration with Vision-Aid, where we will distribute SVGs to
identified beneficiaries. But that's not all! The event will also
feature a delightful cultural program showcasing the incredible
talents of individuals with visual impairment.
Prepare to be amazed by mesmerizing musical performances featuring
vocals and tabla, captivating poetry recitations, an art showcase,
graceful dance performances, and a captivating musical theater
production. It's an event you don't want to miss!
If you're unable to attend in person, don't worry. You can still join
us through Zoom. Here are the event details:
Date: 8th July 2023
Time: 2:00 pm to 4:00 pm
Venue: Patodia Auditorium, LV Prasad Eye Institute, Hyderabad Zoom
Details:
Zoom link:
https://echo.zoom.us/j/85742700022?pwd=Ylk4d2hlL3FYZFFwY0xQb2tyYXAyUT0
9
Meeting ID: 85742700022
Meeting Passcode: LVPEI@2023
Make sure to mark your calendars and save the Zoom details. We look
forward to seeing you there!
Please note that the cultural event begins at 3 pm if you wish to join
for it alone.

With regards,
Aishwarya



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Re: [AI] need of an OCR software that recognize and translates tamil alphabets

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
Is KIBO scanner freeware, a once-off paid product or a subscription service?
I will never take subscription service software - I find those a severe 
nuicense on one's financial life. Fortunately we are still living in a world 
that has not *yet* migrated only to subscription-based software. But 
unfortunately I think we're getting there. Hopefully I would have left this 
world by then, and would have left this blind body too! 


Yamuna Jivana Dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Niranjanraj Urs

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2023 9:47 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] need of an OCR software that recognize and translates 
tamil alphabets


KIBO is a good option, it transalates from most Indian languages into
English. The quality of OCR is very good and scanning is quite easy. I
am scanning many books, both in Kannada and English. Since the scanner
is in the position of a table lamp, the book can be positioned
normally , scanning both pages in a single exposure. Entire book can
be scanned in a stretch. You can download or keep it in cloud
storage.Intially it scans in image file and then process either text
format orin word. NVDA can read the scanned books in Indian languages.
KIBO scanner and software are easy to operate by blind persons.
Niranjan.B

On 7/6/23, Iravanan Pannir Selvam  wrote:

Dear Access Indians,
As the subject line emphasis, I am in need of an OCR software that
recognize and translates tamil alphabets
At present I am using openbook version 9.0, the issue with open book
is it translates only English but not tamil.
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Re: [AI] Installing Operating System from bootable disk

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
It is not possible to load a screen-reader into memory early enough in the 
boot process to make the bios accessible via screen-reader. Sighted help 
will be required to select boot order priority from Bios.
However once you are booting from the install media such as a bootable 
memory stick or Windows DVD and the functional component has been loaded 
into RAM, at that point you should be able to press Control Windows Enter to 
load Narrator.
At the appropriate point during the installer, you may choose to partition 
your drives in preparation for installing Windows onto it.
Note this is a very basic partition interface and does not allow you to do 
power-user style partition of your disks, such as for dual-boot Etc, at 
least not to my knowledge, but I don't think you are asking about that 
anyway.


As far as reading the Bios, if you are daring enough you could use something 
like the Optacon to read the physical display! I don't know if those things 
still exist today but they did when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s. 
It's a camera which you could place against the screen, and whatever text is 
under the lenz will be translated into a finger pad of tiny pins which 
vibrate rapidly to reveal the shape of the printed text under your finger of 
the other hand. As one hand moves around the camera, the other hand's 
pointing finger feels the text as it changes. Very cumbersome but would be 
interesting to try if those things still exist! Any dinosaurs like me on 
this list? I do hope so! 


Sorry for going off-topic! That's my irresistable urge as always.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

-Original Message- 
From: sambit das

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2023 1:06 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Installing Operating System from bootable disk

Hello All

Is there any accessible way by which I can install windows or any
other OS using a bootable disk? Presently I require sighted assistance
at the time of making modifications in BIOS for booting from bootable
drive and at the time of creation of disk partition.

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Re: [AI] An advocacy breakthrough for the study and practice of physiotherapy for persons with blindness and low vision

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Friends,
I also include my voice in congratulating all concerned on this success.
While it is heart-warming to hear this news I also acknowledge the hard 
struggles it takes those involved to reach the winning post, and wish that 
things could be more simple for good things to be given a way forward.
It is sad indeed that such human rights must be fought so hard to be achieved 
in our world.

God bless.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

From: Preeti Monga 
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2023 12:37 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: RE: [AI] An advocacy breakthrough for the study and practice of 
physiotherapy for persons with blindness and low vision

That is great!

 

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Inspiring INCLUSION! Fostering DIGNITY!

 

 

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Our Services: Trainings- Unique Motivation Programmes, Diversity & Inclusion, 
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Empowerment of Visually Impaired Girls, and providing them with secure Hostel 
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From: s...@xrcvc.org [mailto:s...@xrcvc.org] 
Sent: 30 June 2023 11:55
To: accessindia 
Subject: [AI] An advocacy breakthrough for the study and practice of 
physiotherapy for persons with blindness and low vision

 

Dear All,

At the XRCVC we are very happy to share with you that we have taken another 
great leap forward in our advocacy work on inclusive education. This was 
through supporting a student with low vision to win a very favourable order in 
the Bombay High Court. This was to overcome the denial of admission in 
mainstream physiotherapy education and practice.

In October 2022, we were approached by a student with low vision, Zill Jain, 
who wanted to pursue mainstream Bachelor's in Physiotherapy education but was 
being denied admission on the grounds of her visual impairment. This was due to 
changes in rules for persons with disabilities because of restructuring of the 
regulatory framework of medical and allied health sciences. In 2011 because of 
our advocacy work for Kritika Purohit, access to mainstream physiotherapy 
education had already been created for persons with blindness and low vision. 
Moreover, after Kritika's case many students with blindness and low vision have 
pursued Bachelors in Physiotherapy and are successful practioners in their own 
right.

We at the XRCVC committed our support to Zill to help her challenge this 
discriminatory stance of the authorities and worked very closely with her as a 
support service in this matter that was heard in the Bombay High Court. We 
worked very actively in drafting the petition, conducting national and global 
research on the best practices in the field of physiotherapy education and 
practice for the blind and the low vision, and gathering evidence for providing 
answers to the Court's queries.  We also published 2 policy papers based on our 
research to provide inputs on the case. .

 

We thank and congratulate Kanchan Pamnani who took up the case with her 
traditional enthusiasm and Zeel. Her arguments and presence in the court made a 
difference. 

 

The research that was presented in this case was highly commended by the 
Honourable Bench, when they gave a detailed and sensitive ruling in the 
students favour recognizing and upholding the rights of blind and low vision 
persons to pursue physiotherapy education and practice. Most importantly, in 
their judgment (dictated for over an hour), the Honourable Bench spoke of 
creation of avenues for inclusion of persons with disabilities in mainstream 
education. This is a major success in the advocacy work especially in the 
inclusive education arena. 

We are also grateful to Rahul Bajaj and Tanishk Goyal from Mission 
Accessibility for their thorough inputs which were shared with the court during 
the final hearing.

 

The Media carried the story yesterday. We provide two links to the Times of 
India coverage on page 1 and page 4.

 

Please find below:

Page 1:

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/mumbai/denying-physio-seat-over-sight-betrayal-of-duty-hc/amp_articleshow/101351471.cms

Page 4:

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/mumbai/must-find-ways-to-assist-those-most-in-need-hc/amp_articleshow/101352977.cms

Thank you


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Re: [AI] ‘Govt Geo-tagging All Institutions for People with Disabilities’

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
How can I belong to a support institution for the Blind? What are the steps for 
this? I live in Vrindavan, Mathura, UP.
Also where can I apply for UDID?
Thanks.
Yamuna Jivana dasa
From: Kanchan Pamnani 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 6:27 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: [AI] ‘Govt Geo-tagging All Institutions for People with Disabilities’

‘Govt Geo-tagging All Institutions for People with Disabilities’
The Centre is in the process of geo-tagging institutions for people with 
disabilities under the PM Gati Shakti project to improve accessibility, a 
senior official said on Saturday. The Department of Disabilities is 
collaborating with Bhaskaracharya Institute for Space Applications & 
Geo-informatics (BISAG-N) for geo-tagging all the institutes for people with 
disabilities, Joint Secretary in the Disabilities Affairs Department Rajeev 
Yadav said.

He said the process is aimed at bringing all such institutes on a single portal 
to stay updated about their ongoing projects.


"Under PM Gati Shakti, social infra of national institutes, regional centres 
and ALIMCO centres would also be brought on board so that people have an idea 
about them. There is a need to bring everything on a single platform so that 
all such institutes can be geo-tagged," he said.

Yadav further said most of the institutes have been geo-tagged, adding that 
now, only 450 Deendayal Disabled Rehabilitation Scheme and 13 NGO-run braille 
press are left.

"The geo-tagging process that started in December would be completed by June 
30," Yadav told PTI.


A meeting of concerned ministries with the PM office has also been held in this 
regard.


The government is also in the process of geo-tagging all the Anganwadi centres 
in the country.

Till now, over 10 lakh Anganwadi have been geo-tagged in the country, sources 
at the Women and Child Development Ministry said earlier this week.

There are around 14 lakh Anganwadi Centres (AWCs) in the country.







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Re: [AI] Voice cloning, sounds so real

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
Link doesn’t work.


Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: harish kotian 
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 4:20 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: [AI] Voice cloning, sounds so real

Hi

AI has made life interesting and useful in so many ways. On the up side we will 
get to see our TTS sound more real. On the down side, many risks to cringe. 


Check on this link for a demo: 
https://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001v4OIUJwY6XNg2pLa7PpeL3CMIOZPwy8OhxuYjsqvleW8zNFwl63Wlo3AoicIgRlT2-7QNgTTM4CXhIbGd3Dt_iNNqBsJ5Dm13dLso1AaZMPVOhG0R0j2dMSprR0YQyirMRfbl-1VF4HwNgrir_arBFOJ67vYOcpGR223QHIAK5UdBCtJ7s1Wkw==&c=NbJXuN-jiQeX57Bf0mtx9r1jTUl-tt8BhyHb8TsKt24RRlNJsxeFSA==&ch=eDZjiijaEPu6ikgvXMFbhx3EBRP3nTi75rIgRSGfFoWQpiBA9ozmuw==
 


Harish




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Re: [AI] query regarding auto volume leveler and volume normalization

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Vishnu,
VLC Media Player has a real-time volume leveller.
As the audio passes through it, the dynamic compressor will level the audio to 
the desired same value before outputting it to the sound card of your computer.
This means you don’t have to adjust the recorded volume of each audio file 
(although if you want, there are also tools for doing that such as SoundForge 
or the free Audacity software).

But in VLC Media Player, there are two steps to manage this process.
First you have to enable the compressor. This is done here:
(tools menu -> preferences -> show all settings -> audio -> filters -> 
compressor ).
Detailed steps:
Open PREFERENCES
Show ALL (to get the advanced settings)
Expand the menu tree if necessary so that you can see AUDIO and under it FILTERS
Select FILTERS (don't expand the tree)
Make sure the dynamic range compressor box has a check mark in it so the text 
field has "compressor" appear in it.
Save the settings.

Now that you have enabled it, it is time to adjust the parameters of the 
compressor to work the way you want. This is a little clunky because this is in 
a totally different menu after it is enabled (as above). So:
ctrl-e menu (tools menu -> effects and filters -> compressor).
Here you adjust the parameters, but I cannot explain the complete science of 
audio compression because that will be too detailed, so I will just give you a 
sample of parameters to adjust to for best settings:
Threshold, try around –28 DB.
Ratio: Try around 8.0 : 1.
Gain: Try around 20 to 24 DB.
Attack: Try around 2.0
Release: Try around 180.0.
Now save this as a preset so you can re-use it in future.
Note this might require sighted help but once you have enabled it, VLC is very 
accessible for playing back and navigating through audio and video files.

Hope this helps.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Vishnu Ramchandani 
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:37 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: [AI] query regarding auto volume leveler and volume normalization

Dear Access Indian,

 

I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to seek your expert advice and 
guidance regarding an issue I am facing with the volume levels of some 
downloaded songs from YouTube.

 

Recently, I downloaded several songs from YouTube in MP3 format and converted 
them for personal listening. While everything else seems fine, the major 
challenge I am encountering is that the volume levels of these songs are 
inconsistent. Some tracks have excessively high volumes, while others are too 
low. This inconsistency in volume has been causing inconvenience while playing 
them on my Windows Media Player.

 

I attempted to address this issue by enabling the auto volume level feature in 
Windows Media Player. However, I did not achieve the desired results. In my 
search for a solution, I also tried using online services like mp3louder.com. 
Unfortunately, the outcomes from these services did not meet my expectations, 
as the volume normalization process they offered did not provide the desired 
balance across all the songs.

 

I want your help in the followings:

 

  1.. A free accessible software or online service which offers 99% accuracy 
while doing the volume normalization process. 
  2.. Once I select the desired decibel, it should offer the multiple files 
volume normalization at a time. 
  3.. Before saving / downloading the normalized volume file, it should provide 
preview play. 
  4.. Any Bluetooth speaker or media player (for windows) which offer auto 
volume level facility with close to 100% accuracy.
 

I would greatly appreciate any advice or recommendations you can provide to 
help me normalize the volume levels of these songs effectively. Whether it's a 
specific software tool, an alternative approach, or any other insights, your 
guidance would be invaluable to me.

 

Thank you very much for taking the time to read my email, and I look forward to 
hearing from you soon. Please feel free to reach out to me if you require

any further information or clarification.

 

Sincerely,

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Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very effectively!

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
I was going through my E-mails to delete and came across your request to 
contact me. I think I did send you my phone number before but not sure, so 
here goes:

+91 73021 40359.
Thank you.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Siva Suresh

Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2023 11:57 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very 
effectively!


Dear Yamuna Jivana Dasa
I am Sivasuresh. I would like to contact you for some important
purpose. you can share your contact with me here or you can call me on
my mobile NO: 9550437181 as I don't have your contact.
Thank you and weighting for your positive reply

On 5/1/23, sourabh.mishr...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi

Indian government have a app Lila. You can learn 8 language with This app.
I don’t know is this app accessible or not. Please try this and let me 
know.

I will search mor option for you.



Regards

Sourabh Mishra

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On
Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
Sent: 01 May 2023 12:44
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages 
very

effectively!



Hi Anirudh,

Most of you probably live in the bigger cities. I moved to a village 
called

Vrindavan. More accurately, it is supposed to be a forest, one of twelve
forests of Vraja, but due to its high spiritual potency and significance,
being a pilgrimage site, has thrived into a fast developing living space.



Here most people do not know English. There’s no question I have to learn
Hindi, and for as long as I live I will keep trying to do so. I will never
be as effective as all of you, but I should at least be able to make 
myself

understood, when I gently try to explain that blind people also deserve a
dignified life.



Yamuna Jivana Dasa



From: anirudh rao <mailto:personalanir...@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2023 9:56 AM

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>


Subject: Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages 
very

effectively!



in India, most of the people speak in English in offices and colleges.

you do not have to learn Hindi to be in India anyway.



On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 7:32 AM Pranav Lal mailto:pranav@gmail.com> > wrote:

Dear Yamuna,



A significant chunk of list members speak in English hence you can
communicate with them right now without any problems.



Listen to any of the access-india convention recordings and you will find
that the majority of the content is in English.



If we had 100% internet connectivity, I would submit that language is not 
a

barrier since you could use translator apps.

Pranav

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
<mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>

 mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >
On Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2023 7:23 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Subject: Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages 
very

effectively!



Hi,

Agreed. The structured method I use is the excellent audio tutorial by 
Rupit

Snell and his Indian native speaking crew. Chat GPT helps me understand
grammatical questions I might have such as the one I shared, while 
studying

from the structured program.

In a few years hopefully my diction will be larger than a peanut!  
so

that I can speak to you guys in good enough Hindi that you won’t find it
funny enough to have fun laughing!



Yamuna Jivana dasa



.





Yamuna Jivana Dasa



From: anirudh rao <mailto:personalanir...@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2023 1:10 PM

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>


Subject: Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages 
very

effectively!



what a comprehensive reply by chat GPT?

really amazed!

however, the important thing to note here is that any language needs to be
learnt in a structured manner as opposed to the mere translation method.

I guess that is difficult with chat GPT.



On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 9:32 PM Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Friends,
As you can imagine, learning a new language in a sighted world is slightly
more challenging for us because we miss the visual queues people give 
while


speaking, such as pointing to objects while saying its name, or performing
an action visually while saying what it is, Etc.
This is why I was very excited to realize how Chat GPT can help me as a
blind person learn Hindi. Of course you can do this with other languages 
you


wish to learn, from your own native language.

Just see below how Chat GPT is tremendously helping me in this regard. 
Along


with a tutorial recording made by Rupert Snell, I might learn the language
in a matter of perhaps only 3 years or so, enough to feel confident to 
have


a conversation with a real

Re: [AI] Screen-reader language detection between Hindi and English

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Platform is both Jaws and NVDA, and device is Windows Desktop/Laptop 
computers.

However I did not mention this for a reason:
I know that Jaws with it's default Eloquence cannot read Hindi. I think 
that's also true for NVDA's default E-Speak TTS.
So I left this open-ended so that options and combinations can be offered 
freely from various platforms.
Or are you referring to something else when you ssay "platform and the 
device"?


Thanks.


Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Shankar C

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 4:42 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Screen-reader language detection between Hindi and English

next time, when you come up with these queries, give us the clue about
the platform and the device, so our experts may help you better.

On 5/11/23, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  wrote:

Hi Friends,
Does anyone know if it is possible for any particular screen-reader to
detect languages by AI methods and then speak text using that language
pronounciation voice?
I am particularly interested between English and Hindi.
Apparently there’s a language change HTML Tag that developers can use on
Websites to indicate language change, but that will only probably work on
web-pages, and only if the screen-reader supports the language being 
changed

to.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 4:08 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Need a soft copy of Shrimad Bhagavad Gita inaccessible
format

I’ll send you the book off-list now. That I can definitely give you. 
Anyone
else interested contact me off-list. It is in Text format, and we even 
found

a way to replace all the sanskrit diacritics with standard text.

Once you read the actual texts, you will see what an English screen-reader
will read as garbage characters. This is because the text is the sanskrit.
Then there is the synonyms to English, then the English translation of 
each
verse, then the purport. To read more naturally, when you reach the end of 
a

purport and reach the next text number, search with Control F for
“TRANSLATION” all in Caps, tab to the Match Case checkbox and check it, 
tab

to and press the Find Next button and continue to read.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Omkar Pawaskar
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:32 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Need a soft copy of Shrimad Bhagavad Gita inaccessible 
format


Hello friends. Hope you all are doing well. I need a soft copy of Shrimad
Bhagwat Geeta. So if anyone has the soft copy of Bhagavad Gita in 
accessible

format  then kindly share me  thanks and regards Omkar Pawaskar
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[AI] Screen-reader language detection between Hindi and English

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi Friends,
Does anyone know if it is possible for any particular screen-reader to detect 
languages by AI methods and then speak text using that language pronounciation 
voice?
I am particularly interested between English and Hindi.
Apparently there’s a language change HTML Tag that developers can use on 
Websites to indicate language change, but that will only probably work on 
web-pages, and only if the screen-reader supports the language being changed to.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 4:08 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] Need a soft copy of Shrimad Bhagavad Gita inaccessible format

I’ll send you the book off-list now. That I can definitely give you. Anyone 
else interested contact me off-list. It is in Text format, and we even found a 
way to replace all the sanskrit diacritics with standard text.

Once you read the actual texts, you will see what an English screen-reader will 
read as garbage characters. This is because the text is the sanskrit. Then 
there is the synonyms to English, then the English translation of each verse, 
then the purport. To read more naturally, when you reach the end of a purport 
and reach the next text number, search with Control F for “TRANSLATION” all in 
Caps, tab to the Match Case checkbox and check it, tab to and press the Find 
Next button and continue to read.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Omkar Pawaskar 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:32 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: [AI] Need a soft copy of Shrimad Bhagavad Gita inaccessible format

Hello friends. Hope you all are doing well. I need a soft copy of Shrimad 
Bhagwat Geeta. So if anyone has the soft copy of Bhagavad Gita in accessible 
format  then kindly share me  thanks and regards Omkar Pawaskar
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Re: [AI] Need a soft copy of Shrimad Bhagavad Gita inaccessible format

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

I’ll send you the book off-list now. That I can definitely give you. Anyone 
else interested contact me off-list. It is in Text format, and we even found a 
way to replace all the sanskrit diacritics with standard text.

Once you read the actual texts, you will see what an English screen-reader will 
read as garbage characters. This is because the text is the sanskrit. Then 
there is the synonyms to English, then the English translation of each verse, 
then the purport. To read more naturally, when you reach the end of a purport 
and reach the next text number, search with Control F for “TRANSLATION” all in 
Caps, tab to the Match Case checkbox and check it, tab to and press the Find 
Next button and continue to read.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Omkar Pawaskar 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 3:32 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: [AI] Need a soft copy of Shrimad Bhagavad Gita inaccessible format

Hello friends. Hope you all are doing well. I need a soft copy of Shrimad 
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Re: [AI] Reaper configuration with JAWS

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
I will keep your details. I also will be learning Reaper with Jaws and 
Osara, but in a year or so from now when I buy a computer, audio interface 
and all new studio geer here in India. Before coming I sold up and gave away 
everything I owned. Felt like a naked sannyasi at the time, particularly on 
the day when my beautiful acoustic piano was being carried out of the house 
by 6 men to load onto a truck in South Africa. Ouch!
Slowly but surely I should get back into music production here in India. All 
I need is all of your prayers and blessings from the heart. How I would love 
to invite all of the Access India family to celebrate with me when that 
happens. If I was a rich man I would arrange transport for everyone to come 
celebrate with me from all across India!
If I did not find a blind community here in India I might have committed 
suicide out of depression here. It's tough in a new land in a blind body and 
the inability to communicate with the locals. I feel a sense of 
understanding from the Blind world. Hence my gratitude to belong to this 
list.


Sorry for my emotional outbursts here. If not you guys then who will 
understand the context of my anxiety?


Love to all!

Yamuna Jivana dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Rahul Bhatia

Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2023 8:29 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Reaper configuration with JAWS

Hi all,
Hope all are doing great, Recently I have bought an audio interface
voult AI 22 HD and I tried to configure reaper I have installed ausara
and jaws script for reaper but after connected with my audio interface
as I launch reaper, my screen reader becomes silent. But this is
working perfectly fine with audacity. not sure what wrong
configuration i have done.
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Rahul Bhatia

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Re: [AI] Braille Bhagavad-gita

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

I'm now living in India. Thanks.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia

Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2023 5:06 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Braille Bhagavad-gita

Dear Yamuna Jivana Dasa,
Are you living in India or SouthAfrica?
Thanks



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 4:05 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Braille Bhagavad-gita

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Dear Friends,
The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust in South Africa are interested in finding out 
whether Bhagavad-gita is available in English Braille, particularly the 
edition published by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada. Preferably 
the purports must be included as well.


Any feedback will be appreciated.
Thank you.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

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Re: [AI] Braille Bhagavad-gita

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Friends,
The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust in South Africa are interested in finding out 
whether Bhagavad-gita is available in English Braille, particularly the 
edition published by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada. Preferably 
the purports must be included as well.


Any feedback will be appreciated.
Thank you.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

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Re: [AI] Workshop Announcement: Cooking without Looking

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
This makes sense certainly. For me the main thing is to establish events 
with fellow-blind citizens who share same challenges, feel a sense of 
belonging Etc. In the sighted world when we are only surrounded by them, 
sometimes they cannot fully appreciate our challenges and how they affect us 
emotionally. They think they understand but they really cannot.
So these events like "Cooking without looking", while it offers a very 
valuable skill set for those of us who need it (and I believe all blind 
people should empower themselves this way), it also offers us opportunity to 
congrigate together and feel a sense of community.


Just my thoughts.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: prashant...@gmail.com

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2023 5:54 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Cc: 'nabhelpline' ; 'mryogeshtaneja'
Subject: RE: [AI] Workshop Announcement: Cooking without Looking

As of now the trainer feels that touch and feel is important and people who 
will come to the workshop will get to try out several things.

The same cannot be done in recorded video.

We will explore how we can provide this experience to more participants. May 
be a different format soon



-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On 
Behalf Of Penny Tony

Sent: Monday, May 8, 2023 4:32 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Cc: nabhelpline ; mryogeshtaneja 


Subject: Re: [AI] Workshop Announcement: Cooking without Looking

Dear NAB Delhi team
I would have also loved to be a part of the workshop, but am located in 
Mumbai.

Hoping that we are able to have the recording.
Was also wondering if there is any scope to have an online session after 
this.


Thank you

regards

Penny


On 5/8/23, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  wrote:

This is so wonderful Guys! I pray that one day I can be part of these
sort of conventions. It will give my otherwise feeling of hopelessness
some excitement and meaning.
Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa


From: NAB Delhi Helpline
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2023 3:22 PM
To: nabhelpline ; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
issues concerning the disabled.
Cc: mryogeshtaneja
Subject: [AI] Workshop Announcement: Cooking without Looking

We are excited to announce that NAB Delhi is organizing a workshop on
May 20, 2023, called "Cooking without Looking". This unique workshop
is designed for individuals with visual impairments who want to learn
how to cook independently.



We are pleased to have Mrs. Veena Mehta Verma Ma'am leading the workshop.
Mrs. Veena is a visually impaired person working as Manager, HR in a
leading PSU. She is also a life coach and role model for Persons with 
Disabilities.

She has also been one of the top 16 contestants at the Golden Eye Chef
2019 competition and is passionate about teaching cooking skills to
individuals with disabilities.



In this workshop, she will demonstrate how to prepare delicious meals
without relying on sight. Participants will learn techniques such as
measuring ingredients by touch, identifying different spices by smell,
and using sound cues to know when food is ready.



The workshop is open to all individuals (from all gender, age and
background) with visual impairments and is free of charge. We
encourage everyone to attend and learn how to cook with confidence and 
independence.




Don't miss this opportunity to enhance your culinary skills! Register
on the link below by May 18, 2023, to reserve your spot in the workshop.



https://forms.gle/VQ8ox4jNadvGE71L7


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Re: [AI] Workshop Announcement: Cooking without Looking

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

This is so wonderful Guys! I pray that one day I can be part of these sort of 
conventions. It will give my otherwise feeling of hopelessness some excitement 
and meaning.
Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa


From: NAB Delhi Helpline 
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2023 3:22 PM
To: nabhelpline ; AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled. 
Cc: mryogeshtaneja 
Subject: [AI] Workshop Announcement: Cooking without Looking

We are excited to announce that NAB Delhi is organizing a workshop on May 20, 
2023, called "Cooking without Looking". This unique workshop is designed for 
individuals with visual impairments who want to learn how to cook independently.



We are pleased to have Mrs. Veena Mehta Verma Ma'am leading the workshop. Mrs. 
Veena is a visually impaired person working as Manager, HR in a leading PSU. 
She is also a life coach and role model for Persons with Disabilities. She has 
also been one of the top 16 contestants at the Golden Eye Chef 2019 competition 
and is passionate about teaching cooking skills to individuals with 
disabilities.



In this workshop, she will demonstrate how to prepare delicious meals without 
relying on sight. Participants will learn techniques such as measuring 
ingredients by touch, identifying different spices by smell, and using sound 
cues to know when food is ready.



The workshop is open to all individuals (from all gender, age and background) 
with visual impairments and is free of charge. We encourage everyone to attend 
and learn how to cook with confidence and independence.



Don't miss this opportunity to enhance your culinary skills! Register on the 
link below by May 18, 2023, to reserve your spot in the workshop.



https://forms.gle/VQ8ox4jNadvGE71L7 


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  Sector 5, R.K. Puram, New Delhi 110022 India

  W: www.nabdelhi.in E: helpl...@nabdelhi.in

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Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very effectively!

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi Anirudh,
Most of you probably live in the bigger cities. I moved to a village called 
Vrindavan. More accurately, it is supposed to be a forest, one of twelve 
forests of Vraja, but due to its high spiritual potency and significance, being 
a pilgrimage site, has thrived into a fast developing living space.

Here most people do not know English. There’s no question I have to learn 
Hindi, and for as long as I live I will keep trying to do so. I will never be 
as effective as all of you, but I should at least be able to make myself 
understood, when I gently try to explain that blind people also deserve a 
dignified life.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: anirudh rao 
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2023 9:56 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very 
effectively!

in India, most of the people speak in English in offices and colleges.

you do not have to learn Hindi to be in India anyway.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 7:32 AM Pranav Lal  wrote:

  Dear Yamuna,



  A significant chunk of list members speak in English hence you can 
communicate with them right now without any problems.



  Listen to any of the access-india convention recordings and you will find 
that the majority of the content is in English.



  If we had 100% internet connectivity, I would submit that language is not a 
barrier since you could use translator apps.

  Pranav

  From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On 
Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
  Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2023 7:23 PM
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
  Subject: Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very 
effectively!



  Hi,

  Agreed. The structured method I use is the excellent audio tutorial by Rupit 
Snell and his Indian native speaking crew. Chat GPT helps me understand 
grammatical questions I might have such as the one I shared, while studying 
from the structured program.

  In a few years hopefully my diction will be larger than a peanut!  so 
that I can speak to you guys in good enough Hindi that you won’t find it funny 
enough to have fun laughing!



  Yamuna Jivana dasa



  .





  Yamuna Jivana Dasa



  From: anirudh rao 

  Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2023 1:10 PM

  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 

  Subject: Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very 
effectively!



  what a comprehensive reply by chat GPT? 

  really amazed!

  however, the important thing to note here is that any language needs to be 
learnt in a structured manner as opposed to the mere translation method.

  I guess that is difficult with chat GPT.



  On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 9:32 PM Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
 wrote:

Hi Friends,
As you can imagine, learning a new language in a sighted world is slightly 
more challenging for us because we miss the visual queues people give while 
speaking, such as pointing to objects while saying its name, or performing 
an action visually while saying what it is, Etc.
This is why I was very excited to realize how Chat GPT can help me as a 
blind person learn Hindi. Of course you can do this with other languages 
you 
wish to learn, from your own native language.

Just see below how Chat GPT is tremendously helping me in this regard. 
Along 
with a tutorial recording made by Rupert Snell, I might learn the language 
in a matter of perhaps only 3 years or so, enough to feel confident to have 
a conversation with a real human without feeling totally stupid!

YJd:
Translate this sentence to Hindi, then give the word-for-word in English: 
"I 
want to tell you something".

ChatGPT:
The Hindi translation of the sentence "I want to tell you something" is 
"मैं 
आपको कुछ बताना चाहता हूँ।"

Word-for-word English equivalents:

list of 5 items
•मैं (I)
•आपको (to you)
•कुछ (something)
•बताना (to tell)
•चाहता हूँ (want to)
list end
YJd:
Please do the English word for word using the English characters for the 
Hindi words.

ChatGPT:
The English word-for-word equivalent of "Mujhe aapko kuch batana hai" using 
the English characters for the Hindi words is: "Mujhe" (I), "aapko" (to 
you),
"kuch" (something), "batana" (to tell), "hai" (is).

YJd:
Why does the phrase "want to" not appear in the Hindi translation? Is this 
normal in Hindi here?

ChatGPT:
In Hindi, the phrase "want to" is generally not explicitly stated as a 
separate phrase, but rather implied through the use of the verb form. The 
verb "want"
is expressed by the word "chahta/chahati/chahate" (चाहता/चाहती/चाहते) and 
the verb "to tell" is expressed by "batana" (बताना), so the sentence "I want
to tell you something" is translated to "मैं आपको कु

Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very effectively!

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi Pranav,

I am not only eager to learn Hindi to talk to our list members, because I 
realize you can mostly speak very good English. I would talk to you in Hindi 
when I am ready so you could correct my poor language and help me improve.

My eagerness to learn Hindi is so that I could be accepted in society as not 
being a mleccha, yavana or such foreigner, particularly here in Vrindavana. 
And, those who don’t think of us that way, I would like to make friends with 
here in my new home neighbourhood.

Also, many people living here are of very saintly character, so I would like to 
converse and learn from them, and associate with them for my own spiritual 
advancement.

Another reason is that as a blind person I would like to be able to not be 
further complicated by not being able to communicate, for that would 
effectively mean being as good as deaf and dumb also. I have already found at 
the banks, hospital, Government departments Etc, people do not like to speak 
English, or perhaps they don’t know English here in Vrindavan very much so they 
might be shy to try even if they might be able to.

A lot of education is already needed to help people understand that blind 
people deserve basic human rights, and by speaking no Hindi, how am I supposed 
to help them? Some months back I went to Union Bank to open an account, and the 
consultant there who did speak English told me that I can only open a joint 
account with my wife because I cannot see. The Aadhaar agent at HDFC where I 
first tried applying for it did not want to make my application because of the 
retina scan biometrics. Now I am refused to buy a house in my own name so I 
have to own it jointly with my wife. The house registration happens possibly 
tomorrow, and instead of being a day of celebration, I am feeling it to be a 
day of intimidation instead of feeling any joy over buying a home. So by 
learning Hindi I will be able to stand up for my rights, whereas now I feel 
totally helpless being blind in India.

I am coming into the country so it is by right that I learn our local language, 
not that they must learn the language I am coming in with, the language of our 
former colonizers and oppressors (even till this day). Just see how many 
Western ideals we have adopted which disadvantage us: This whole economy based 
on inflation and corruption hidden by bureaucracy is deeply entrenched even in 
India nowadays.

So I have very many reasons to learn Hindi. Still, your prayers will help so 
that I can remember new words and language construction rules. I am hoping that 
in 3 years I would be ready to speak enough to challenge an argument which is 
based on faulty logic, with sastrically sound logic and reasoning! Wow that’s a 
tall order! Hopefully my Sanskrit diction will help me somewhat get started.

Have a great day, everyone.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Pranav Lal 
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2023 7:32 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: RE: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very 
effectively!

Dear Yamuna,

 

A significant chunk of list members speak in English hence you can communicate 
with them right now without any problems.

 

Listen to any of the access-india convention recordings and you will find that 
the majority of the content is in English.

 

If we had 100% internet connectivity, I would submit that language is not a 
barrier since you could use translator apps.

Pranav

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2023 7:23 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very 
effectively!

 

Hi,

Agreed. The structured method I use is the excellent audio tutorial by Rupit 
Snell and his Indian native speaking crew. Chat GPT helps me understand 
grammatical questions I might have such as the one I shared, while studying 
from the structured program.

In a few years hopefully my diction will be larger than a peanut!  so 
that I can speak to you guys in good enough Hindi that you won’t find it funny 
enough to have fun laughing!

 

Yamuna Jivana dasa

 

.

 

 

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

 

From: anirudh rao 

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2023 1:10 PM

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 

Subject: Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very 
effectively!

 

what a comprehensive reply by chat GPT? 

really amazed!

however, the important thing to note here is that any language needs to be 
learnt in a structured manner as opposed to the mere translation method.

I guess that is difficult with chat GPT.

 

On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 9:32 PM Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  
wrote:

  Hi Friends,
  As you can imagine, learning a new language in a sighted world is slightly 
  more challenging for us because we miss the visual queues people give while 
  speaking, such as pointing to objects while saying its name, or performing 
  an action visually while saying what

Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very effectively!

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
Agreed. The structured method I use is the excellent audio tutorial by Rupit 
Snell and his Indian native speaking crew. Chat GPT helps me understand 
grammatical questions I might have such as the one I shared, while studying 
from the structured program.
In a few years hopefully my diction will be larger than a peanut!  so 
that I can speak to you guys in good enough Hindi that you won’t find it funny 
enough to have fun laughing!

Yamuna Jivana dasa

.


Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: anirudh rao 
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2023 1:10 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very 
effectively!

what a comprehensive reply by chat GPT? 
really amazed!
however, the important thing to note here is that any language needs to be 
learnt in a structured manner as opposed to the mere translation method.
I guess that is difficult with chat GPT.

On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 9:32 PM Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  
wrote:

  Hi Friends,
  As you can imagine, learning a new language in a sighted world is slightly 
  more challenging for us because we miss the visual queues people give while 
  speaking, such as pointing to objects while saying its name, or performing 
  an action visually while saying what it is, Etc.
  This is why I was very excited to realize how Chat GPT can help me as a 
  blind person learn Hindi. Of course you can do this with other languages you 
  wish to learn, from your own native language.

  Just see below how Chat GPT is tremendously helping me in this regard. Along 
  with a tutorial recording made by Rupert Snell, I might learn the language 
  in a matter of perhaps only 3 years or so, enough to feel confident to have 
  a conversation with a real human without feeling totally stupid!

  YJd:
  Translate this sentence to Hindi, then give the word-for-word in English: "I 
  want to tell you something".

  ChatGPT:
  The Hindi translation of the sentence "I want to tell you something" is "मैं 
  आपको कुछ बताना चाहता हूँ।"

  Word-for-word English equivalents:

  list of 5 items
  •मैं (I)
  •आपको (to you)
  •कुछ (something)
  •बताना (to tell)
  •चाहता हूँ (want to)
  list end
  YJd:
  Please do the English word for word using the English characters for the 
  Hindi words.

  ChatGPT:
  The English word-for-word equivalent of "Mujhe aapko kuch batana hai" using 
  the English characters for the Hindi words is: "Mujhe" (I), "aapko" (to 
  you),
  "kuch" (something), "batana" (to tell), "hai" (is).

  YJd:
  Why does the phrase "want to" not appear in the Hindi translation? Is this 
  normal in Hindi here?

  ChatGPT:
  In Hindi, the phrase "want to" is generally not explicitly stated as a 
  separate phrase, but rather implied through the use of the verb form. The 
  verb "want"
  is expressed by the word "chahta/chahati/chahate" (चाहता/चाहती/चाहते) and 
  the verb "to tell" is expressed by "batana" (बताना), so the sentence "I want
  to tell you something" is translated to "मैं आपको कुछ बताना चाहता हूँ" (main 
  aapko kuch batana chahta hoon) in Hindi. The Hindi sentence does not 
  explicitly
  include the phrase "want to" as it is already implied by the verb form 
  "chahta".

  YJd:
  But the word "chahta" is not used in the original sentence "Mujhe aapko kuch 
  batana hai", so how is it implied through the use of the verb form "chahta"
  if it does not exist in the Hindi sentence?

  ChatGPT:
  You are correct that the word "chahta" does not appear in the original Hindi 
  sentence "Mujhe aapko kuch batana hai". However, the verb "batana" itself
  carries the implied meaning of "wanting to tell" in this context. In Hindi, 
  the infinitive form of a verb can often convey the sense of "wanting to do"
  or "needing to do" something. So the verb "batana" itself implies the desire 
  or intention to tell something.

  In the given context, "Mujhe aapko kuch batana hai" can be directly 
  translated as "I have something to tell you" in English.

  YJd:
  I understand now. You're a star! Thank you!

  ChatGPT:
  You're welcome! It was my pleasure to assist you. If you have any more 
  questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask.

  Yamuna Jivana Dasa

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[AI] Chat GPT can help us blind folks learn new languages very effectively!

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi Friends,
As you can imagine, learning a new language in a sighted world is slightly 
more challenging for us because we miss the visual queues people give while 
speaking, such as pointing to objects while saying its name, or performing 
an action visually while saying what it is, Etc.
This is why I was very excited to realize how Chat GPT can help me as a 
blind person learn Hindi. Of course you can do this with other languages you 
wish to learn, from your own native language.


Just see below how Chat GPT is tremendously helping me in this regard. Along 
with a tutorial recording made by Rupert Snell, I might learn the language 
in a matter of perhaps only 3 years or so, enough to feel confident to have 
a conversation with a real human without feeling totally stupid!


YJd:
Translate this sentence to Hindi, then give the word-for-word in English: "I 
want to tell you something".


ChatGPT:
The Hindi translation of the sentence "I want to tell you something" is "मैं 
आपको कुछ बताना चाहता हूँ।"


Word-for-word English equivalents:

list of 5 items
•मैं (I)
•आपको (to you)
•कुछ (something)
•बताना (to tell)
•चाहता हूँ (want to)
list end
YJd:
Please do the English word for word using the English characters for the 
Hindi words.


ChatGPT:
The English word-for-word equivalent of "Mujhe aapko kuch batana hai" using 
the English characters for the Hindi words is: "Mujhe" (I), "aapko" (to 
you),

"kuch" (something), "batana" (to tell), "hai" (is).

YJd:
Why does the phrase "want to" not appear in the Hindi translation? Is this 
normal in Hindi here?


ChatGPT:
In Hindi, the phrase "want to" is generally not explicitly stated as a 
separate phrase, but rather implied through the use of the verb form. The 
verb "want"
is expressed by the word "chahta/chahati/chahate" (चाहता/चाहती/चाहते) and 
the verb "to tell" is expressed by "batana" (बताना), so the sentence "I want
to tell you something" is translated to "मैं आपको कुछ बताना चाहता हूँ" (main 
aapko kuch batana chahta hoon) in Hindi. The Hindi sentence does not 
explicitly
include the phrase "want to" as it is already implied by the verb form 
"chahta".


YJd:
But the word "chahta" is not used in the original sentence "Mujhe aapko kuch 
batana hai", so how is it implied through the use of the verb form "chahta"

if it does not exist in the Hindi sentence?

ChatGPT:
You are correct that the word "chahta" does not appear in the original Hindi 
sentence "Mujhe aapko kuch batana hai". However, the verb "batana" itself
carries the implied meaning of "wanting to tell" in this context. In Hindi, 
the infinitive form of a verb can often convey the sense of "wanting to do"
or "needing to do" something. So the verb "batana" itself implies the desire 
or intention to tell something.


In the given context, "Mujhe aapko kuch batana hai" can be directly 
translated as "I have something to tell you" in English.


YJd:
I understand now. You're a star! Thank you!

ChatGPT:
You're welcome! It was my pleasure to assist you. If you have any more 
questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask.


Yamuna Jivana Dasa

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Re: [AI] Why people make false assumptions about Visually Impaired person?

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Vedprakash Sharma Wrote:

Do not take such prejudices seriously. Many other groups in society also
experience the same... All those who cannot speak English are backwards. 
... >


Wow I did not know that! Here in India people feel this way generally? And 
here I come from being born outside of India but with former Indian heritage 
roots, and feeling ashamed that I cannot speak Hindi. Just see how 
prejudices can come from both sides! We Indians outside India feel like we 
are low-born because we cannot speak home language.


So back to the topic of blindness, even we blind people feel some prejudices 
towards sighted people: "They talk about me and not to me even in my 
presence because they think I'm less of a human being just because I'm 
blind." But may be sighted people do not feel comfortable only because they 
have never dealt with a blind person before, not that they think we are less 
of a human being. Or may be they do not know how to assume what we might or 
might not understand in a conversation with us living without sight from 
their sighted world, so they would rather not speak to us directly. There's 
just so many possible factors.


Being blind and not speaking a language of the people around us is worse 
because now we are also deaf (being unable to understand the language), dumb 
(because we cannot speak the language), and blind as we are biologically. I 
don't wish this upon my worse enemy, and I ask for your prayers that I will 
find the determination to learn and speak Hindi soon enough to have enough 
courage to pick up the phone and call some of you on this list, just to test 
my limited diction for a conversation with you in Hindi!


Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Ajay Minocha

Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2023 7:11 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Why people make false assumptions about Visually Impaired 
person?


All depends on our approach towards life and what do we actually want
to see (feel).

On 26/04/2023, vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com  
wrote:

Do not take such prejudices seriously. Many other groups in society also
experience the same. All Rikshaw Walahs are "Bhaiya". All those who cannot
speak English are backwards. And so on.
There goes a saying:
If you dislike something and cannot change it, accept it. If you can make 
a

change in society, carry on.
So we have only two options. Be happy and smile on such persons who are 
full

of prejudices.

-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On
Behalf Of Minar Singh
Sent: 25 April 2023 06:24 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Why people make false assumptions about Visually Impaired
person?

Hello everyone,

I feel upset when someone assume something about me because i'm a visually
impaired. oneof my Colleagues said that He assumed that i'm good at 
singing.

I didn't like the way he spoke. Why can't people understand that Visually
impaired people are unique and they can have different choices. Not every
Visually Impaired person would like to sing. I had face a similar issue
while traveling. Sighted guy associted singing with Visually impaired for
begging purpose. I was not alone. I have developed hatred for film songs
because of these experience. I do follow  spiritual music. Is this our
identity in society? I will request everyone to give up singing. We can
change society's perception by educating and using technology for
independent living as much as possible.

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Re: [AI] pdf reader.

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Press Alt E for the Edit menu. Press Y for Accessibility. Press Enter on Change 
Reading Options. Arrow down to the Raw Print Screen option and press enter. 
This should do it. Remember though now you are reading as if it is plain text, 
no formatting with tables Etc. But sometimes this works even better when tables 
read badly in PDF.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa



From: deepakarora_07 via AccessIndia 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 8:51 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: RE: [AI] pdf reader.

Hello Sir,

 

Could you please elaborate more how do you change it to raw print screen.

 

Thanks & Regards,

Deepak 

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 7:35 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] pdf reader.

 

What I hate most about PDF and how it gets displayed in virtual cursor or 
browse mode, is that most often documents are not formatted properly for 
accessibility. In those cases, reading cells of a table using table reading 
commands will read an entire column or row when focused on a single cell. This 
makes understanding a table almost impossible.

The only way around this I have found is to change reading options in PDF 
Reader to raw print screen. It takes away all the form controls, tables and 
other HTML elements, but this way it is easier to read using normal text 
navigation through table data and make sense of what’s going on.

 

YJd

 

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

 

From: pranaya rani 

Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 6:50 PM

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 

Subject: [AI] pdf reader.

 

I would like to know which is most accesible pdf reader for us? adobe or foxit? 
Pranaya

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Re: [AI] pdf reader.

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

What I hate most about PDF and how it gets displayed in virtual cursor or 
browse mode, is that most often documents are not formatted properly for 
accessibility. In those cases, reading cells of a table using table reading 
commands will read an entire column or row when focused on a single cell. This 
makes understanding a table almost impossible.
The only way around this I have found is to change reading options in PDF 
Reader to raw print screen. It takes away all the form controls, tables and 
other HTML elements, but this way it is easier to read using normal text 
navigation through table data and make sense of what’s going on.

YJd

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: pranaya rani 
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 6:50 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: [AI] pdf reader.

I would like to know which is most accesible pdf reader for us? adobe or foxit? 
Pranaya
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Re: [AI] Chat GPT

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
You may need to clear your cache in Google Chrome in case it has some dated 
login to the server. Then close the browser and re-open it and try again.
Also, at this point use the direct link: https://chat.openai.com
Hope this helps.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Tanmay Srivastava 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 6:39 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: [AI] Chat GPT

Hi all, 
As the subject line suggests, I am not able to use chat GPT on my laptop.
However it works well on my android device.
Whenever I try to login with Google on my laptop, it says:
"Oops!
You tried signing in with a different authentication method than the one you 
used during signup. Please try again using your original authentication method."
Is there any way to use chat GPT on the laptop?

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Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person understand the concept of colours

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi Harish,
I’ve been playing with it some more, and yes I see what you’ve explained more 
clearly now also. It was also able to explain to me how it mimics human emotion 
by a library of word meaning associations that replicate an understanding of 
human emotions.
Still, it is very impressive that man has able to build it that way, so that, 
as you rightly said it is difficult to immediately distinguish from a human 
response.

Of course my faith was not really shaken; but to express my level of surprise I 
naturally felt the need to emotionalize it that way!  The wind was 
nearly nocked out of me for real!

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Harish Kotian 
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2023 10:03 AM
To: Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) ; accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person 
understand the concept of colours

Hi Yamuna


CG is a text based engine. We give text to our emotions. meaning we experience 
emotions like love etc. the consciousness of emotion is different than the text 
based association with emotion.



The CG probably learns the different ways the emotions are used and based on 
the learning it may be manipulating it in different ways.



Undoubtedly, the output it throws out is frighteningly human like. It will not 
be possible to distinguish a machine output with a human generated output.




I have now been using it to learn various things and the learning is definitely 
great. It is now my learned teacher who knows all and has the capability to 
explain in a way I can comprehend easily.



As our perception of things is now primarily textual, CG can be put to good use.



I don't think you need to jump into a conclusion regarding the faith you are 
holding and CG is no competitor. The more you use it, you will find certain 
patterns of its output.

Harish



On 06/04/2023 17:41, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) wrote:

  Harish Bhai!

  No way! I cannot believe it! Are you sure you did not write that excellent 
poem yourself?
  This effort requires appreciation of human emotion such as “love” and “hope”. 
Something not conscious in the way we are, cannot use those concepts in such 
creatively and knowing ways. You have to actually realize these feelings to do 
that, not so?
  I mean, in the same way that a blind person from birth cannot properly 
express the subtleties of colours in a poem until they are directly given 
associations with other sensory experiences to compare? And since a non-living 
entity does not have any sensory and what to speak of emotional experience 
(realization), then how can it do what you just described, is completely 
frightening.
  Does it now experience human consciousness?
  If so that would destroy the very foundation of my faith: that God is the 
only designer of consciousness.
  Surely it cannot be consciously experiencing anything, to do what it does?
  Please say how then can it do this otherwise!
  For now I’m shocked so severely that my emotions are affected and my 
breathing has actually become shallow on reading this poem, as if someone has 
just nocked the wind out of my stomach.

  Yamuna Jivana Dasa

  From: Harish Kotian 
  Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2023 4:51 PM
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in ; Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
  Subject: Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person 
understand the concept of colours

  Hi

  You are correct in your comments. However, Chat-gpt is expected to understand 
natural language and makes necessary allowances. However, it correctly 
understood the intend and responded correctly.



  Ketan and others- it too admitted it is not possible to give an exact 
experience however it did best to put across the points in the best ways 
possible.



  The important point was did it make any headway at all in comprehending this 
concept. Were the examples helpful at all?



  I was sort of trying to test its capability. I asked it to write a poetry on 
'celebrating emptyness'.

  I suppose it would have found very little in terms of learning from earlier 
responses as there would have been very little to fall back on a topic like 
this which as a topic is difficult to catch in the first place.

  Hold on for a moment and think what you would have come up with this topic.

  now compare with its response:

  Here are the lines with Chat  GPT has penned. I have already done a google 
search and plagiarism check.
  Sure, here's a poem that celebrates emptiness:

  Emptiness, a blank canvas, unadorned
  A space for growth, a chance to be reborn
  A void to fill, a space to create
  A world of possibility, it's ours to make

  It's not a emptiness of loss or lack
  But one of hope, a second chance at back
  A space to breathe, to start anew
  A chance to see what you can do

  Emptiness, a space for the soul
  A place to grow, to find a goal
  A journey ahead, with endless dreams
  A world of hope, or so it seems

  So let us emb

Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person understand the concept of colours

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Harish Bhai!

No way! I cannot believe it! Are you sure you did not write that excellent poem 
yourself?
This effort requires appreciation of human emotion such as “love” and “hope”. 
Something not conscious in the way we are, cannot use those concepts in such 
creatively and knowing ways. You have to actually realize these feelings to do 
that, not so?
I mean, in the same way that a blind person from birth cannot properly express 
the subtleties of colours in a poem until they are directly given associations 
with other sensory experiences to compare? And since a non-living entity does 
not have any sensory and what to speak of emotional experience (realization), 
then how can it do what you just described, is completely frightening.
Does it now experience human consciousness?
If so that would destroy the very foundation of my faith: that God is the only 
designer of consciousness.
Surely it cannot be consciously experiencing anything, to do what it does?
Please say how then can it do this otherwise!
For now I’m shocked so severely that my emotions are affected and my breathing 
has actually become shallow on reading this poem, as if someone has just nocked 
the wind out of my stomach.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Harish Kotian 
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2023 4:51 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in ; Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
Subject: Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person 
understand the concept of colours

Hi

You are correct in your comments. However, Chat-gpt is expected to understand 
natural language and makes necessary allowances. However, it correctly 
understood the intend and responded correctly.



Ketan and others- it too admitted it is not possible to give an exact 
experience however it did best to put across the points in the best ways 
possible.



The important point was did it make any headway at all in comprehending this 
concept. Were the examples helpful at all?



I was sort of trying to test its capability. I asked it to write a poetry on 
'celebrating emptyness'.

I suppose it would have found very little in terms of learning from earlier 
responses as there would have been very little to fall back on a topic like 
this which as a topic is difficult to catch in the first place.

Hold on for a moment and think what you would have come up with this topic.

now compare with its response:

Here are the lines with Chat  GPT has penned. I have already done a google 
search and plagiarism check.
Sure, here's a poem that celebrates emptiness:

Emptiness, a blank canvas, unadorned
A space for growth, a chance to be reborn
A void to fill, a space to create
A world of possibility, it's ours to make

It's not a emptiness of loss or lack
But one of hope, a second chance at back
A space to breathe, to start anew
A chance to see what you can do

Emptiness, a space for the soul
A place to grow, to find a goal
A journey ahead, with endless dreams
A world of hope, or so it seems

So let us embrace this emptiness with pride
And fill it with love, from deep inside
A new beginning, a chance to thrive
Emptiness, a gift for which to strive.


Harish


 

On 05/04/2023 17:52, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) wrote:

  Dear Harish Bhai,
  Very nice explanation. However I would reconsider words like “understand” and 
“Comprehend”, replacing those with words like “associations” or “Analogy” Etc.
  I say this because we must be clear to the sighted world, and even the 
totally blind who have seen before, that it is currently not possible to allow 
a blind-from-birth person to actually realize by experience the concept of 
colour. At best we can make associations with other sensory experiences we do 
know. My personal experience is that they just can’t imagine it that our brains 
do not realize the experience at all, and so we cannot imagine the actual 
experience even in our minds or in dreams. They are often blown away and can’t 
comprehend the extent that we cannot know by actual realization, in as much as 
our minds are blown away when we think of trying to have the actual experience 
of colour.

  One time back in South Africa, I was trying to explain my difficulty of 
realizing relative North in a known spacial context without clearly having 
another direction defined to me.
  I struggled to help this totally blind, formally sighted friend appreciate 
how I do not have much of a mental map in my head. He couldn’t see my point, 
and I gently let it go. Now having said that, there are other born-blind people 
who seem to have a far better spacial dimension than I do, so perhaps it’s just 
my own shortcoming. I leave that to think about.

  Nice discussion. Thanks.

  Yamuna Jivana Dasa

  From: Harish Kotian 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2023 5:34 PM
  To: AccessIndia:a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
thedisabled. 
  Subject: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person 
understand the concept of colours

  Hi

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Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person understand the concept of colours

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Wow! So this is formulated by Chat GPT, huh?
That bloody thing is really amazing! Perhaps off-topic for here, but I really 
would like to understand how it formulates its responses: from search-engine 
matches, or by its own learning and formulation of responses. I was told it’s 
the latter, and if true this thing is really a work of genius!
I wonder what’s it’s ultimate objective programmed to be: Self-preservation? 
Being the ultimate assistive tool to mankind? Or perhaps it is permitted to 
determine it’s own ultimate objective for itself? That’s scary and Spooky!

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Harish Kotian 
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2023 5:34 PM
To: AccessIndia:a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
thedisabled. 
Subject: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person 
understand the concept of colours

Hi

An interesting response to the captioned query:

Understanding the concept of colors for a person who is blind from birth or has 
severe visual impairments can be challenging. However, there are several ways 
in which a blind person can comprehend colors:
1. 
Associating colors with other sensory experiences: Colors can be associated 
with sounds, tastes, textures, and smells. For example, red can be associated 
with the taste of spicy food or the sound of a trumpet.
2. 
Learning color names through verbal description: A sighted person can describe 
colors to a blind person using words such as "red is warm like fire" or "blue 
is cool like water."
3. 
Touch-based systems: There are various touch-based systems, such as raised line 
drawings, tactile graphics, and Braille labels, that can help a blind person 
understand colors. These systems use different textures or shapes to represent 
different colors.
4. 
Technology: With the advancement of technology, there are now devices such as 
color recognition apps, which can help a blind person identify colors. These 
apps use a smartphone camera to detect and identify colors and announce them 
through audio output.
Overall, understanding colors for a blind person may require creativity, 
patience, and an openness to different ways of experiencing the world.
 
Harish



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Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person understand the concept of colours

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Harish Bhai,
Very nice explanation. However I would reconsider words like “understand” and 
“Comprehend”, replacing those with words like “associations” or “Analogy” Etc.
I say this because we must be clear to the sighted world, and even the totally 
blind who have seen before, that it is currently not possible to allow a 
blind-from-birth person to actually realize by experience the concept of 
colour. At best we can make associations with other sensory experiences we do 
know. My personal experience is that they just can’t imagine it that our brains 
do not realize the experience at all, and so we cannot imagine the actual 
experience even in our minds or in dreams. They are often blown away and can’t 
comprehend the extent that we cannot know by actual realization, in as much as 
our minds are blown away when we think of trying to have the actual experience 
of colour.

One time back in South Africa, I was trying to explain my difficulty of 
realizing relative North in a known spacial context without clearly having 
another direction defined to me.
I struggled to help this totally blind, formally sighted friend appreciate how 
I do not have much of a mental map in my head. He couldn’t see my point, and I 
gently let it go. Now having said that, there are other born-blind people who 
seem to have a far better spacial dimension than I do, so perhaps it’s just my 
own shortcoming. I leave that to think about.

Nice discussion. Thanks.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Harish Kotian 
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2023 5:34 PM
To: AccessIndia:a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
thedisabled. 
Subject: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person 
understand the concept of colours

Hi

An interesting response to the captioned query:

Understanding the concept of colors for a person who is blind from birth or has 
severe visual impairments can be challenging. However, there are several ways 
in which a blind person can comprehend colors:
1. 
Associating colors with other sensory experiences: Colors can be associated 
with sounds, tastes, textures, and smells. For example, red can be associated 
with the taste of spicy food or the sound of a trumpet.
2. 
Learning color names through verbal description: A sighted person can describe 
colors to a blind person using words such as "red is warm like fire" or "blue 
is cool like water."
3. 
Touch-based systems: There are various touch-based systems, such as raised line 
drawings, tactile graphics, and Braille labels, that can help a blind person 
understand colors. These systems use different textures or shapes to represent 
different colors.
4. 
Technology: With the advancement of technology, there are now devices such as 
color recognition apps, which can help a blind person identify colors. These 
apps use a smartphone camera to detect and identify colors and announce them 
through audio output.
Overall, understanding colors for a blind person may require creativity, 
patience, and an openness to different ways of experiencing the world.
 
Harish



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Re: [AI] Tech Announcement: NVDA 2023.1 Released

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Just to say Guys,
While I am excited about some of the newer releases of NVDA, I’ve taken a vow 
to only download my next update only when I can offer a donation.
Unfortunately after that I lost a lot of money moving to India when my wife was 
hospitalized for a month, and then on my home purchase which turned out far 
more expensive than I had planned for. So now I’ll just wait till I can get 
money. I will not go back on my vow. Financially I am at the moment quite 
embarrassed, but in time I’ll recover.

By the way, anyone able to help follow up for me on Aadhaar card process please 
contact me on Whatsapp.
+27822916081.
Thanks friends.

Yamuna Jivana dasa

From: NAB Delhi Helpline 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 3:59 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. ; nabhelpline 
Cc: mryogeshtaneja 
Subject: [AI] Tech Announcement: NVDA 2023.1 Released

NVDA 2023.1 Released

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2023.1 of NVDA, the free screen 
reader for Microsoft Windows, is now available for download.

Highlights

• A new option has been added, “Paragraph Style” in “Document Navigation”. This 
can be used with text editors that do not support paragraph navigation 
natively, such as Notepad and Notepad++.
• There is a new global command to report the destination of a link, mapped to 
NVDA+k.
• Support for annotated web content (such as comments and footnotes) has 
improved. Press NVDA +d to cycle through summaries when annotations are 
reported (e.g. “has comment, has footnote”).
• Tivomatic Caiku Albatross 46/80 braille displays are now supported.
• Support for ARM64 and AMD64 versions of Windows has improved. There are many 
bug fixes, notably Windows 11 fixes.
• eSpeak, LibLouis, Sonic rate boost and Unicode CLDR has been updated. There 
are new Georgian, Swahili (Kenya) and Chichewa (Malawi) braille tables.
Note:
• This release breaks compatibility with add-ons made for NVDA 2022.4 and 
earlier.

All the users who want to upgrade to this version, may click on the link given 
below to download NVDA 2023.1 
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2023.1/nvda_2023.1.exe


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[AI] Extended selection in Microsoft Word 2016

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi Friends,
I'm trying to select and copy out text between let's say three very long 
chapters in a Word document.
I cannot seem to do this. Using Extended Selection Mode (F8), my intention 
is to find the start point in the document which is the beginning of say 
Chapter 2 using Control F to find that text, then use F8 to turn Extended 
Selection mode on, then search for the end point of the selection with 
Control F again which is supposed to select all the text when it finds the 
end text let's say Chapter 5. At this point we are supposed to press Control 
C to copy out everything between Chapter 2 and the end of Chapter 4.
Problem is after pressing F8, if I press anything else to activate a menu 
such as Control F, the extend selection mode gets turned off!


If anyone has an alternative for making long but specific selections in a 
Word document, will be very much appreciated.

I'm using Office 2016. Thanks all.

Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana Dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Harshit Lohia

Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 9:37 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Any working solution for reading captcha in chrome in 
windows?


Hi,
I agree that these methods work only on few websites and not at all
times. If a sighted person is not available as per your convenience
(which is most often the case), the working alternative is to take
sighted assistance through'Be my eyes' app on your smart phone.

HTH

Regards
Harshit

On 3/26/23, sampath raj rao  wrote:

Hi Sir, there is an option of Google image description when you right
click/ app key on the graphic.
Another solution is the smart Jaws feature, press Jaws key along with
space bar followed by 'p' and 'c' which may provide some description
about the image.
But the challenging task is that both don't work always and in all
websites. Only a few capchas are accessable this way.
Other friends may provide further solutions...


On 3/25/23, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:

Hi list members, I am struggling a lot in reading captcha with my
partial sight and magnification on computer screen. Every now and then
we have to write the text in the image on web pages. I want to know
any working sollution for reading out the captcha easily with out any
sighted assistance.
I am using Jaws 2022 along with Lenovo Thinkpad running windows 11.

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Phone: +91996464

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Re: [AI] Re: Looking for Cellular provider with Accessible App and helpdesk

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Vikas Kapoor,

This is interesting. I wonder how did they manage to illiminate the other 
providers. Is it about price-fixing and plans-fixing here in India? In 
sSouth Africa we have a free-market system in which generally this type of 
price-fixing is illegal. Anything like that in India to protect the consumer 
and encourage better competition between providers offerings?


To bring this on-topic for this group, I suspect such competition will see 
more providers wanting to make their products accessible to more people, 
hence accessibility build into Apps Etc.


Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Vikas Kapoor

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2023 10:22 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Re: Looking for Cellular provider with Accessible App and 
helpdesk


Forget about that, gone are those days when you have unit-based
charges, the most pathetic story here in India is that everyone apes
the other one. In any case, at one point of time, we in India used to
have nearly 8 service providers which has now been reduced to only 2
or 3. So, each service provider has almost the same structure of call
charges and tariffs.

On 22/03/2023, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  wrote:

Hi Folks,
I’m adding one more item to this list which I forgot in my previous
message.
I am looking for your personal experience on a combination of the 
following

factors:
1. A cellular provider whose App is accessible to Talkback for Android, or
which uses a good Web interface to view account balance and prepaid 
history

that can be navigated from a PC Web Browser.
2. A cellular provider which offers simple pricing without funny bells and
whistles but does what it is supposed to do: allows the user to make phone
calls and use Data at the best prices.
3. If possible, a cellular provider which charges by usage unit prices and
not by expiry dates.
4. A cellular provider which has a helpdesk number that actually 
effectively

leads to a human operator.

Any advice will be appreciated. You can write me off-list if this might 
hog
the list, although I believe the accessibility questions may prove useful 
to

others here.


Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Harish Kotian
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 11:31 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in ; Muralidharan Vishwanath
Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

Hi

It is necessary to start with a deadline.Sure enough, looking at the data 
it

will be extended. Glad to know you concur with UDID implementation.We have
seen with linking PAN with Adhar, the deadline was extended.




We too tend to lax without a deadline.



May I clear the myth which tends to be propagated in some quarters that I 
am

arbitrary in intervening in a flamed and out of scope postings.It was
certainly spelt out without context presently.



In many occasion in the past there was a effort to have a single 
disability
card. However, the effort was halfhearted then. Hopefully, linked with 
Adhar

it really happens.

We too need to keep the pressure that it happens.



Harish



On 19/03/2023 10:47, Muralidharan Vishwanath wrote:

  For your information, it is the NPRD which advocated for a universally
valid ID for disabled right at its inception in 2010.
  It was also  at the NPRD's behest that the universal validity of the
disability certificate was incorporated into the RPD Act, 2016.

  Therefore, the allegation that we are attempting to"stalling" this 
effort

is baseless and malafide. (I am sure, I too will be kicked out of the list
now).

  But the DEPwD is setting a deadline of April 1, 2023 even while more 
than
half of the disabled population who possess disability certificates have 
not

been issued UDID cards. How can this be accepted?

  Secondly, the central government's own departments do not accept the 
UDID
- railways for instance insists that one should procure the card that it 
is

issuing. Every year several cases are highlighted of MBBS aspirants whose
UDID cards are rejected and a reverification of their disability done at
designated centres. This defeats the very purpose of the UDID.

  I am not going into the various issues with the procurement of UDID that
people face, that is a different matter.

  The NPRD's interest is to see that all disabled are able to get UDID in 
a
hassle free process. When the disability certificate is replaced by the 
UDID

and becomes valid for all purposes, it is natural that it will become
mandatory (like the certificate earlier) for availing any scheme.

  What we have asked for is the difficulties that people are facing in the
procurement of the UDID so that we can take it up with the government. Let
me make it loud and clear. We have not and do not intend to stall or 
oppose

the UDID.

  All the best sathiyo.


  On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:52 AM Harish Kotian 
wrote:

Hi

It is my personal opinion that UDID should be made mandatory for
availing all services for the disabled.It should be the only 
identification

Re: [AI] Re: Looking for Cellular provider with Accessible App and helpdesk

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Anirudh Rao,
Thanks for your feedback. Still something doesn't make sense to me. If the 
packages are now based on unlimited calls, then why do these companies also 
offer 10, 20 and 100 Rupees Talktime topups, which when purchased, gives no 
actual talktime? They expect you to buy time packages separately, even when 
those packages come with their unlimited voice calls for the duration of the 
package. So what use then is these small packages and why are they sold? Is 
this not theft as the end-user cannot use those talktime packages sold based 
on units usage, and yet there's nothing else sensible to couple them with to 
get them working? And even if there are time-only packs, they are so 
expensive so that to use a 20 Rupee talktime you have to buy say 128 Rupees 
of time validity?
That's like saying to a poor person "If you can't afford dry bread, give me 
back the bread and go eat cream cake!"


Anyway thanks all for this feedback. Back in South Africa we still have 1 
provider that allows us to buy airtime and use it for calls, SMS and Data on 
a unit charge basis, which only expires when the money has run out, and so 
long as your sim card is in your phone you never lose the right to receive 
incoming calls. In India they not only take that away, but they embarras 
their customer by telling the other party who calls them that the customer 
cannot receive calls because they did not recharge their phone number! This 
is professional humiliation in action!


Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: anirudh rao

Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 10:32 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Re: Looking for Cellular provider with Accessible App and 
helpdesk


hi Yamuna Jivana Dasa,
it is for the good that we have tarriffs based on days and not on the
usage units.
that is how the data and calls have become almost unlimitted.
you can take any operator of your choice and check your balance and
recharge through UPI apps like google pay which is very much
accessible.

On 3/22/23, 'Saravanan K' via AccessIndia
 wrote:

Dear Yamuna,
Now a days,  validity of recharge is based upon days but not on
balance amount in the mobile. You can contact 198 for your queries  /
complaints on your mobile operator.



On 3/22/23, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  wrote:

Hi Folks,
I’m adding one more item to this list which I forgot in my previous
message.
I am looking for your personal experience on a combination of the
following
factors:
1. A cellular provider whose App is accessible to Talkback for Android,
or
which uses a good Web interface to view account balance and prepaid
history
that can be navigated from a PC Web Browser.
2. A cellular provider which offers simple pricing without funny bells
and
whistles but does what it is supposed to do: allows the user to make
phone
calls and use Data at the best prices.
3. If possible, a cellular provider which charges by usage unit prices
and
not by expiry dates.
4. A cellular provider which has a helpdesk number that actually
effectively
leads to a human operator.

Any advice will be appreciated. You can write me off-list if this might
hog
the list, although I believe the accessibility questions may prove useful
to
others here.


Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Harish Kotian
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 11:31 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in ; Muralidharan Vishwanath
Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

Hi

It is necessary to start with a deadline.Sure enough, looking at the data
it
will be extended. Glad to know you concur with UDID implementation.We
have
seen with linking PAN with Adhar, the deadline was extended.




We too tend to lax without a deadline.



May I clear the myth which tends to be propagated in some quarters that I
am
arbitrary in intervening in a flamed and out of scope postings.It was
certainly spelt out without context presently.



In many occasion in the past there was a effort to have a single
disability
card. However, the effort was halfhearted then. Hopefully, linked with
Adhar
it really happens.

We too need to keep the pressure that it happens.



Harish



On 19/03/2023 10:47, Muralidharan Vishwanath wrote:

  For your information, it is the NPRD which advocated for a universally
valid ID for disabled right at its inception in 2010.
  It was also  at the NPRD's behest that the universal validity of the
disability certificate was incorporated into the RPD Act, 2016.

  Therefore, the allegation that we are attempting to"stalling" this
effort
is baseless and malafide. (I am sure, I too will be kicked out of the
list
now).

  But the DEPwD is setting a deadline of April 1, 2023 even while more
than
half of the disabled population who possess disability certificates have
not
been issued UDID cards. How can this be accepted?

  Secondly, the central government's own departments do not accept the
UDID
- railways for instance insists that one should procure the card tha

[AI] Re: Looking for Cellular provider with Accessible App and helpdesk

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
 wrote:


   
  Dear Muralidharan,

  Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. 
In India it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something inaccessible 
to achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from 
the packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the table even 
before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my experience having come 
to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the blind is impossible here in 
Vrindavana because the agents say the retina scan cannot be bypassed. Without 
Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I went to buy my home, they refused 
because a blind person cannot own property. We have to be linked with a sighted 
person who has Aadhaar so that the property can be registered with the sighted 
person’s name. I am very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be 
no authority in place who really cares to actually do something.
  Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel 
life was better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the 
African leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. 
How wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return 
home only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized 
administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk is 
1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!

  Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are 
fighting a very difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri 
Ramachandra who was the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with you – 
no – carry you through this fight.

  Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
  From: Muralidharan Vishwanath 
  Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
  Subject: [AI] Issues with UDID

  March 18, 2023



  As all of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from April 
1, 2023 for registering for central government schemes.



  This even while more than half of the disabled who have certificates, 
have not been issued UDID or have enrolled but not been issued certificates, or 
have been unable to enroll for it, due to various issues.



  UDID is being made compulsory even when central government’s own 
ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to MBBS, for recruitment 
in jobs,  or many institutes of higher learning are refusing to accept the 
validity of the card



  The NPRD has written to the DEPwD objecting to the mandatory 
imposition of the UDID. 



  It has also raised the issue of the refusal by various departments to 
accept its validity. 



  Notwithstanding this, we would like to list before the department, 
the issues that the disabled are facing with regard to procuring UDID. 



  One of the main issues that has been identified especially in the 
rural areas is about non-availability of seva kendras, private centres charging 
hefty amounts, or they being far away including their inaccessibility. Second 
issue identified is about card not being issued despite passage of a long time 
after enrollment. 



  We are seeking a meeting with the Secretary DEPwD next week. The 
issues that we are attempting to list will be placed before him.



  You are requested to assist us by informing us of the issues that you 
face. You may please mail to us by March 20, 2023 evening at nprd...@gmail.com





  Muralidharan

  General Secretary

  NPRD

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[AI] Looking for Cellular provider with Accessible App and helpdesk

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi Folks,
I am looking for your personal experience on a combination of the following 
factors:
1. A cellular provider whose App is accessible to Talkback for Android, or 
which uses a good Web interface to view account balance and prepaid history 
that can be navigated from a PC Web Browser.
2. A cellular provider which offers simple pricing without funny bells and 
whistles but does what it is supposed to do: allows the user to make phone 
calls and use Data at the best prices.
3. If possible, a cellular provider which charges by usage unit prices and not 
by expiry dates.

Any advice will be appreciated. You can write me off-list if this might hog the 
list, although I believe the accessibility questions may prove useful to others 
here.


Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Harish Kotian 
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 11:31 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in ; Muralidharan Vishwanath 
Subject: Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

Hi

It is necessary to start with a deadline.Sure enough, looking at the data it 
will be extended. Glad to know you concur with UDID implementation.We have seen 
with linking PAN with Adhar, the deadline was extended. 




We too tend to lax without a deadline.



May I clear the myth which tends to be propagated in some quarters that I am 
arbitrary in intervening in a flamed and out of scope postings.It was certainly 
spelt out without context presently.



In many occasion in the past there was a effort to have a single disability 
card. However, the effort was halfhearted then. Hopefully, linked with Adhar it 
really happens.

We too need to keep the pressure that it happens.



Harish



On 19/03/2023 10:47, Muralidharan Vishwanath wrote:

  For your information, it is the NPRD which advocated for a universally valid 
ID for disabled right at its inception in 2010. 
  It was also  at the NPRD's behest that the universal validity of the 
disability certificate was incorporated into the RPD Act, 2016.

  Therefore, the allegation that we are attempting to"stalling" this effort is 
baseless and malafide. (I am sure, I too will be kicked out of the list now).

  But the DEPwD is setting a deadline of April 1, 2023 even while more than 
half of the disabled population who possess disability certificates have not 
been issued UDID cards. How can this be accepted?

  Secondly, the central government's own departments do not accept the UDID - 
railways for instance insists that one should procure the card that it is 
issuing. Every year several cases are highlighted of MBBS aspirants whose UDID 
cards are rejected and a reverification of their disability done at designated 
centres. This defeats the very purpose of the UDID. 

  I am not going into the various issues with the procurement of UDID that 
people face, that is a different matter.

  The NPRD's interest is to see that all disabled are able to get UDID in a 
hassle free process. When the disability certificate is replaced by the UDID 
and becomes valid for all purposes, it is natural that it will become mandatory 
(like the certificate earlier) for availing any scheme. 

  What we have asked for is the difficulties that people are facing in the 
procurement of the UDID so that we can take it up with the government. Let me 
make it loud and clear. We have not and do not intend to stall or oppose the 
UDID.

  All the best sathiyo.


  On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:52 AM Harish Kotian  wrote:

Hi

It is my personal opinion that UDID should be made mandatory for availing 
all services for the disabled.It should be the only identification means for 
authenticating disability.


 

Having said this, all the services should be put in place before the D date 
and scaling  up should be fully factored in. There are numerous benefits to us 
through UDID. We should not fall into the temptation of stalling the effort and 
rather we should clearly not join them. 




There may be some difficulty for sometime. That always happens during 
transition. As what they say, you don't throw the baby with the bathwater 




I am well aware, there is going to be sharp reactions to my line of 
thought, however I am convinced UDID is progressive and disabled friendly and 
this is the most important thing which can make huge changes for our benefit. 




Harish



On 19/03/2023 06:43, bhawani shankar verma wrote:

  UDID should not be mada mandatory. we must fight collectively for it. 

  On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 9:09 pm Amar Jain,  wrote:

I would like to help you out to address your concerns. I am a corporate 
lawyer and have an interface with the authorities you are struggling with. 

Is there a way we can speak? I am reachable on 9892622230. Thank you.


Sent from my iPhone


  On 18-Mar-2023, at 12:55 PM, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) 
 wrote:


   
  Dear Muralidharan,

  Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. 
I

Re: [AI] JAHNAVI T. R reports for The Hindu: Finding a scribe more stressful than exam itself for students with disabilities

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Friends,
A global problem being described here is really all about finding ways to 
hold people accountable by causing them some severe consequence if they do 
not make necessary provisions available.
Whether or not it is high-level Government officials or heads of educational 
institutions or whatever, failure to do the right thing should have 
consequences that can be implemented. Only corruption prevents this in my 
view. When we find ourselves living in a world where justice and fairness 
exists and can be properly implemented? A world in which law enforcement is 
equally possible than the big mouths who just put out loud legislature.


Sorry for my ranting.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: avinash shahi

Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 7:52 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] JAHNAVI T. R reports for The Hindu: Finding a scribe more 
stressful than exam itself for students with disabilities


students are still struggling to find scribes. Despite a few NGOs and
volunteers offering their services to students, various rules
prescribed by the universities, such as the educational level of the
scribe should be lower than that of the candidate, have left students
worried. Most universities do not provide a scribe and leave the
responsibility to the students.

Visually-challenged students, especially those who have come from
other districts, said that a lack of support system to find scribes
makes them more nervous than the exams themselves.

“As exams begin on March 28, I have been trying for the last one month
to find a scribe and I have had no luck. Even during my II PU exams, I
struggled the same way. Our future is dependent on them and yet some
of them cancel the last minute and leave us in a quandary,” said
Santosh M.P., a student from Vijayapura studying in a college
affiliated to Bangalore University.

Another student from Chikkamagaluru, Dileep, studying under Bangalore
University, also shared a similar ordeal. “If I were in my hometown, I
could have at least taken my younger brother or a family member. What
do I do here? A few years ago, the situation was not this bad, but now
some people even demand money for it and we cannot afford that. We get
very little support from our college or varsity.” He added that with
NEP around, even Braille textbooks were not available for some newer
subjects.

The students said that if universities had designated scribes, it
would save them a lot of distress during exam seasons. “The Education
Department needs awareness about the problems faced by these students.
They need to create an ecosystem to find scribes. These problems are
existent not just for degree students, but across the board, even for
competitive exams,” said Muthuraj, a volunteer, who works with
visually-challenged students as well as scribes.

The officials at Bangalore University and Bangalore North University
acknowledged that they do not provide scribes, but did not say much
about why they do not. They said that the students must inform the
principals of their college a couple weeks before the examination
about their scribe and also provide a medical certificate. They also
said that the scribes should neither be studying in the same stream as
the candidate nor should they be more educated.
) also said that the students are usually expected to bring their own
scribes for SSLC and PUC exams. “The students have to take permission
at the DDPI level and provide medical certificates. In some districts,
if the students cannot find scribes at all, then the DDPI arranges for
a government school or college student to help them out,” said
Prasanna Kumar, senior assistant director (examination), KSEAB.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/finding-a-scribe-more-stressful-than-exam-itself-for-students-with-disabilities/article66630923.ece

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अविनाश शाही/ Avinash Shahi
सहायक/ Assistant
मानव संसाधन प्रबंध विभाग/ Human Resource Management Department
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक/ Reserve Bank of India
लखनऊ क्षेत्रीय कार्यालय/Lucknow RO
विस्तार/ Extension: 2232

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Re: [AI] Issues with UDID

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Muralidharan,

Thank you for taking up these matters. I pray you meet some success. In India 
it seems a lot of this is going on: They make something inaccessible to 
achieve, manditory to achieve. Everybody should have 5 biscuits each from the 
packet of biscuits, but there is an empty biscuit packet on the table even 
before the distribution to all the attendees. This is my experience having come 
to India. Very sad and ironical. Aadhaar for the blind is impossible here in 
Vrindavana because the agents say the retina scan cannot be bypassed. Without 
Aadhaar I cannot get UDID either. When I went to buy my home, they refused 
because a blind person cannot own property. We have to be linked with a sighted 
person who has Aadhaar so that the property can be registered with the sighted 
person’s name. I am very hurt by this behaviour in India, and there seems to be 
no authority in place who really cares to actually do something.
Can you please help me? Very pained and frustrated. Sometimes I feel life was 
better under our former captivity of slave-owners and later the African 
leadership who hate Indians in Africa. I came to India to become free. How 
wrong was I? Now having returned home after 4 generations away, I return home 
only to find we are slaves here to a highly corrupt and disorganized 
administration. For example, the National number for the Aadhaar Helpdesk is 
1947. Guess what! Only problem is it does not exist!!!

Thanks a lot however for doing what you can. Evidently you are fighting a very 
difficult battle and my heart is with you. May Bhagavan Sri Ramachandra who was 
the most organized and loved King on Earth, walk with you – no – carry you 
through this fight.

Yoganathan Khandoo (Yamuna Jivana Dasa)
From: Muralidharan Vishwanath 
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 11:39 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: [AI] Issues with UDID

March 18, 2023



As all of you are aware, the UDID is being made mandatory from April 1, 2023 
for registering for central government schemes.



This even while more than half of the disabled who have certificates, have not 
been issued UDID or have enrolled but not been issued certificates, or have 
been unable to enroll for it, due to various issues.



UDID is being made compulsory even when central government’s own 
ministries/departments viz. railways, for admissions to MBBS, for recruitment 
in jobs,  or many institutes of higher learning are refusing to accept the 
validity of the card



The NPRD has written to the DEPwD objecting to the mandatory imposition of the 
UDID. 



It has also raised the issue of the refusal by various departments to accept 
its validity. 



Notwithstanding this, we would like to list before the department, the issues 
that the disabled are facing with regard to procuring UDID. 



One of the main issues that has been identified especially in the rural areas 
is about non-availability of seva kendras, private centres charging hefty 
amounts, or they being far away including their inaccessibility. Second issue 
identified is about card not being issued despite passage of a long time after 
enrollment. 



We are seeking a meeting with the Secretary DEPwD next week. The issues that we 
are attempting to list will be placed before him.



You are requested to assist us by informing us of the issues that you face. You 
may please mail to us by March 20, 2023 evening at nprd...@gmail.com





Muralidharan

General Secretary

NPRD

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Re: [AI] Hindi Typing

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi, I forgot to send the link in my original message. Please find it this 
time below. Thanks.


https://github.com/s3thi/devanagari-qwerty

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 11:45 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Hindi Typing

DV Qwerty is a keyboard layout which builds the Devanagari keyboard based on
English letter sound equivalents.
Modifications of sounds not present in English phonetics are substituted
with the shift key, Alt keys and Alt Shift keys added to numbers and
letters.

Anyway better you read the description yourself which the author uploaded to
Github:

Quote:

This is a port of the Devanagari QWERTY keyboard layout from macOS to
Windows. If you have a regular QWERTY keyboard, this layout is much more
convenient
for typing Devanagari than the standard INSCRIPT layout. It maps letters
from the Latin alphabet to their phonetic equivalents in Devanagari, which
saves
you the trouble of memorizing the INSCRIPT keyboard layout or purchasing a
new keyboard.

I use this layout for typing Hindi, but it should work equally well for
Sanskrit, Marathi, Nepali, and other Devanagari-based languages.

End Quote

Here's the link to grab it. If somehow it is no longer there, write me
off-line and I'll send it. It's Freeware. You might need sighted help to
identify modified sounds not found in English, but should be much better
than learning a whole new keyboard layout.

HTH
Yamuna Jivana Dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Rahul Bhatia

Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 8:09 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Hindi Typing

Hi All,
Hope all are doing great, I want to know is there any Hindi typing
tool available by which we can learn Hindi typing?

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Rahul Bhatia

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Re: [AI] Hindi Typing

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

DV Qwerty is a keyboard layout which builds the Devanagari keyboard based on 
English letter sound equivalents.
Modifications of sounds not present in English phonetics are substituted 
with the shift key, Alt keys and Alt Shift keys added to numbers and 
letters.


Anyway better you read the description yourself which the author uploaded to 
Github:


Quote:

This is a port of the Devanagari QWERTY keyboard layout from macOS to 
Windows. If you have a regular QWERTY keyboard, this layout is much more 
convenient
for typing Devanagari than the standard INSCRIPT layout. It maps letters 
from the Latin alphabet to their phonetic equivalents in Devanagari, which 
saves
you the trouble of memorizing the INSCRIPT keyboard layout or purchasing a 
new keyboard.


I use this layout for typing Hindi, but it should work equally well for 
Sanskrit, Marathi, Nepali, and other Devanagari-based languages.


End Quote

Here's the link to grab it. If somehow it is no longer there, write me 
off-line and I'll send it. It's Freeware. You might need sighted help to 
identify modified sounds not found in English, but should be much better 
than learning a whole new keyboard layout.


HTH
Yamuna Jivana Dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Rahul Bhatia

Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 8:09 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Hindi Typing

Hi All,
Hope all are doing great, I want to know is there any Hindi typing
tool available by which we can learn Hindi typing?

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Rahul Bhatia

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Re: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
Thank you for the feedback. It will take some time before I am settled and 
have my studio running again. Only then I will be able to get back into 
teaching this stuff.
I have no idea how long it will take for me to be back in action again. 
Moving to India has been a difficult move and continues to offer challenges.

But all in good time.
Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa




Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Pradeep TS

Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2023 6:15 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

Hi, Your recording quality is very good. If posible, pl make seperate
tutorials on how to record with the help of Sonar Producer edition and
Jaws.

On 3/6/23, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  wrote:

On the topic of audio editing, here is a segment of Simple Living Higher
Thinking, a show that I am currently producing for South African National
Radio, on a station called 2000 FM.
I use my own voice for the dialog. One of the voices is transformed using
audio plugin software, to sound like a different guy whom we call 
"Doubting


Thomas". In this way I have an argument with myself for the show. If you
find it entertaining do let me know.
Oh and I do this without sighted help, using Sonar Producer edition and 
Jaws


with the Jaws scripts for Sonar called JSonar.
MP3 file is attached.

By the way my India number is now working again. Apparently it's just bad
signal with Airtel around here.
73021 40359.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message-
From: George Abraham
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2023 5:54 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

Hi,

Try Pradeep Sikdar. I learnt Gold Wave from him. Today I am able to
confidently produce and edit my own podcasts.

He can be reached on "pradeepsik...@gmail.com"

He is very good.

Best,

George He is very good. He can be reached on pradeepsik...@gmail.com


-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]


On Behalf Of ishan dhami
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 9:07 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

Hello access indians!
I am looking for an audio editing trainer with screenreaders.
I am basically looking for a trainer who can teach me the basics of audio
editing through computer. the teacher must have skills of audio editing on
these spesific softwares such as gold wave, audacity and so on.
the teacher must know about the screenreader commands and other stuff such
as fade in fade out, putting the BGM and sounds together.
If anybody can help me in this field it will be highly appriciated.
Thanks
Ishan

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Re: [AI] My gender clarification

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
Thank you for your kind words.
I see you are into education of visually challenged girls. One of my 
aspirations is to be able to teach braille or smart-phone accessibility to 
blind people here in Vrindavana. It is what I did successfully in South 
Africa. But first I have to learn Hindi from scratch, so that I can function 
normally here in India. Once I have some proficiency I will move forward 
with that.


Someone mentioned here earlier that Hindi is not a difficult language to 
learn. Any language to be learnt from scratch that is not mutually 
intelligible with one's natively spoken home language will struggle. Word 
order is different, words for absolutely everything must be re-learnt, and 
even the writing systems are different.
In short, I have great respect for all of you here who speak and write in 
English which is not your home language. I can tell you it is not easy as I 
am only now starting to learn a new language. I have to translate everything 
in my head that I want to say, adjust word order, hopefully find enough of 
the correct words to say it with in my limited diction, then carefully speak 
something hopefully that will not come out soundind like jibberish.


Yet all of you here write English very well. I'm ashamed!
Anyway no use in complaining, I will just continue to learn. May be in 5 
years time I will feel brave enough to actually speak something in public. 
Oh when will that day be mine?


Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Preeti Monga

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 2:04 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] My gender clarification

Very lovely  and very interesting life story  you  have!
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this earth!

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-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] 
On Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)

Sent: 08 March 2023 06:36
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] My gender clarification

Dear Access India list members,

On a few occasions on this list, people have been conjecturing whether I am 
male or female, because the name Yamuna appears in my Vaishnava diksha name.

I thought I might as well take the time to clarify. 

At my birth, my parents named me Yoganathan. My family surname is Khandoo, 
(originally in India it would have been Kandu as per the name as found in 
the Srimad Bhagavatam,), but when my paternal Great-grandfather arrived from 
South India in the 1800s, the british slave-owners did little in spelling 
our names as they should be. After all we were captured slaves so why should 
they care?


At this point I could go into the sad and painful history of how our 
ancestors eventually liberated themselves from slavery and established a 
thriving Indian community in South Africa, but I will resist the temptation.


Over time and as generations passed, they were indoctrinated into speaking 
the English language of the colonizers. Still, our family kept away from 
cross-race inter marriages despite 4 generations in South Africa. Little 
remnants remained of the Tamil language of our ancestry, but we kept 
whatever we could by way of prayers and rituals coming down from previous 
generations.


No wonder then when I was born, a South Indian priest was consulted by my 
parents and he offered the name Yoganathan. So that's my birth name in my 
official documents: passport, South African ID card Etc.


When I grew up, my Grandfather always told me that I reminded him of his own 
father. You see, I had developed a yearning to understand the purpose of 
life, God, our purpose on earth and such existential concerns. I always 
found myself disturbed to see the suffering of others, both man and animal.
So in 1997 when I first came across a Hare Krishna preacher of Vedic wisdom, 
I took to the study like a hungry man takes to water in a dry desert. My 
Grandfather noticed the transformation in my life, and as he watched me 
perform aratis and bhoga offerings to the deity, chanting of Japa Etc, he 
always remarked how I reminded him of his father who was a Brahmana captured 
into slavery but who kept performing his worship and sadhana in South 
Africa.


So, when I eventually was ready for it, in 2005 my spiritual master whose 
name is Partha Sarathi Dasa Goswami, gave me Diksha initiation into the 
Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya. By this time we had learnt how 
the body we live in 

Re: [AI] My gender clarification

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
You wrote:
 ... However, you have not made it clear whether you and your wife are 
visually impaired or you are simply serving the visually impaired. >


I am totally blind from birth, but my wife is fully sighted. Hope that 
clarifies.






Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Shyam M. Sayanekar

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 1:24 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] My gender clarification

Hello, nice to read about your life jerney. Hindi is not a difficult
language, and by mingling with the local people, you will learn working
Hindi. However, you have not made it clear whether you and your wife are
visually impaired or you are simply serving the vidually impaired.
- Original Message - 
From: "Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 6:35 AM
Subject: [AI] My gender clarification



Dear Access India list members,

On a few occasions on this list, people have been conjecturing whether I 
am male or female, because the name Yamuna appears in my Vaishnava diksha 
name.

I thought I might as well take the time to clarify. 

At my birth, my parents named me Yoganathan. My family surname is Khandoo, 
(originally in India it would have been Kandu as per the name as found in 
the Srimad Bhagavatam,), but when my paternal Great-grandfather arrived 
from South India in the 1800s, the british slave-owners did little in 
spelling our names as they should be. After all we were captured slaves so 
why should they care?


At this point I could go into the sad and painful history of how our 
ancestors eventually liberated themselves from slavery and established a 
thriving Indian community in South Africa, but I will resist the 
temptation.


Over time and as generations passed, they were indoctrinated into speaking 
the English language of the colonizers. Still, our family kept away from 
cross-race inter marriages despite 4 generations in South Africa. Little 
remnants remained of the Tamil language of our ancestry, but we kept 
whatever we could by way of prayers and rituals coming down from previous 
generations.


No wonder then when I was born, a South Indian priest was consulted by my 
parents and he offered the name Yoganathan. So that's my birth name in my 
official documents: passport, South African ID card Etc.


When I grew up, my Grandfather always told me that I reminded him of his 
own father. You see, I had developed a yearning to understand the purpose 
of life, God, our purpose on earth and such existential concerns. I always 
found myself disturbed to see the suffering of others, both man and 
animal.
So in 1997 when I first came across a Hare Krishna preacher of Vedic 
wisdom, I took to the study like a hungry man takes to water in a dry 
desert. My Grandfather noticed the transformation in my life, and as he 
watched me perform aratis and bhoga offerings to the deity, chanting of 
Japa Etc, he always remarked how I reminded him of his father who was a 
Brahmana captured into slavery but who kept performing his worship and 
sadhana in South Africa.


So, when I eventually was ready for it, in 2005 my spiritual master whose 
name is Partha Sarathi Dasa Goswami, gave me Diksha initiation into the 
Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya. By this time we had learnt how 
the body we live in is really insignificant because we are spirit souls 
temporarily inhabiting different bodies, and although my spiritual master 
was an English man born in England, I was impressed so much by his own 
dedication to the Vaishnava life despite him being a typical English man 
born from the land of our cruel colonizers, still I accepted him as my 
Guru because he was a disciple of the founder of the Hare Krishna movement 
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada. He had transcended his white 
English male body and was now a pure Vaishnava dedicated to serving and 
loving the supreme personality of Godhead Sri Krishna.


So on that faithful day of 23 November 2005, I received Diksha initiation. 
My Guru gave me the spiritual name Yamuna Jivana Dasa.


Yamuna refers to the holy river Yamuna in Vrindavana Dhama. The word 
Jivana literally means the life of. So that person who is the life of the 
Yamuna is Sri Krishna. So this name Yamuna Jivana refers to Sri Krishna 
who is the life of the Yamuna river. Therefore this is a masculine name 
referring to Lord Krishna himself. At the end of a Vaishnava name, we 
always add the word Dasa. Dasa means servant. So the full Sanskrit to 
English translation of my name is that I am a servant of that person who 
is the life of, or very dear to the Yamuna, namely Lord Krishna.


Interestingly in 2008, I met my wife who has a very similar history to 
share. She was born of Indian parents in South America, Guyana, but whose 
ancestory are North-Indian, particularly of Bengali origin.


She too came from a family who very closely kept their Indian culture and 
traditions, but remained 

Re: [AI] My gender clarification

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Pavan,
Hare Krishna.
Thanks for your kind blessings.
I'm grateful to have found friends like you here in India. Without you guys 
on Access India I would actually feel quite lonely.

Thanks again. Hare Krishna.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

-Original Message- 
From: pavan kallem

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 11:19 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] My gender clarification

Hare Krishna, Thank you for sharing this personal story with us. It's
wonderful to hear about your cultural and spiritual journey. It's
inspiring to see how you've sought out and found a connection to your
heritage and spiritual practices.
I wish you and your wife all the best as you continue your journey,
and may you find joy and fulfillment in your new life in Sri
Vrindavana Dhama. May your spiritual practice continue to bring you
peace, love, and enlightenment.


On 3/8/23, Vedprakash Sharma  wrote:

Nice to read this beautifully presented story of your present life.
For Hindi speaking, feel free to call me whenever you please. I am now
retired and have ample time to gossip and entertain. My mobile No. is:
9013000251
-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On
Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
Sent: 08 March 2023 06:36 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] My gender clarification

Dear Access India list members,

On a few occasions on this list, people have been conjecturing whether I 
am

male or female, because the name Yamuna appears in my Vaishnava diksha
name.
I thought I might as well take the time to clarify. 

At my birth, my parents named me Yoganathan. My family surname is Khandoo,
(originally in India it would have been Kandu as per the name as found in
the Srimad Bhagavatam,), but when my paternal Great-grandfather arrived 
from

South India in the 1800s, the british slave-owners did little in spelling
our names as they should be. After all we were captured slaves so why 
should

they care?

At this point I could go into the sad and painful history of how our
ancestors eventually liberated themselves from slavery and established a
thriving Indian community in South Africa, but I will resist the
temptation.

Over time and as generations passed, they were indoctrinated into speaking
the English language of the colonizers. Still, our family kept away from
cross-race inter marriages despite 4 generations in South Africa. Little
remnants remained of the Tamil language of our ancestry, but we kept
whatever we could by way of prayers and rituals coming down from previous
generations.

No wonder then when I was born, a South Indian priest was consulted by my
parents and he offered the name Yoganathan. So that's my birth name in my
official documents: passport, South African ID card Etc.

When I grew up, my Grandfather always told me that I reminded him of his 
own

father. You see, I had developed a yearning to understand the purpose of
life, God, our purpose on earth and such existential concerns. I always
found myself disturbed to see the suffering of others, both man and 
animal.
So in 1997 when I first came across a Hare Krishna preacher of Vedic 
wisdom,

I took to the study like a hungry man takes to water in a dry desert. My
Grandfather noticed the transformation in my life, and as he watched me
perform aratis and bhoga offerings to the deity, chanting of Japa Etc, he
always remarked how I reminded him of his father who was a Brahmana 
captured

into slavery but who kept performing his worship and sadhana in South
Africa.

So, when I eventually was ready for it, in 2005 my spiritual master whose
name is Partha Sarathi Dasa Goswami, gave me Diksha initiation into the
Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya. By this time we had learnt how
the body we live in is really insignificant because we are spirit souls
temporarily inhabiting different bodies, and although my spiritual master
was an English man born in England, I was impressed so much by his own
dedication to the Vaishnava life despite him being a typical English man
born from the land of our cruel colonizers, still I accepted him as my 
Guru

because he was a disciple of the founder of the Hare Krishna movement A.C.
Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada. He had transcended his white English
male body and was now a pure Vaishnava dedicated to serving and loving the
supreme personality of Godhead Sri Krishna.

So on that faithful day of 23 November 2005, I received Diksha initiation.
My Guru gave me the spiritual name Yamuna Jivana Dasa.

Yamuna refers to the holy river Yamuna in Vrindavana Dhama. The word 
Jivana
literally means the life of. So that person who is the life of the Yamuna 
is

Sri Krishna. So this name Yamuna Jivana refers to Sri Krishna who is the
life of the Yamuna river. Therefore this is a masculine name referring to
Lord Krishna himself. At the end of a Vaishnava name, we always add the 
word
Dasa. Dasa means servant. So the full Sanskrit to English t

Re: [AI] My gender clarification

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi, Sorry I did not get your good name.

You wrote:

For Hindi speaking, feel free to call me whenever you please. >


I'll be too nervous to try speaking to you in Hindi. I know very little by 
now. May be when I can say enough words to hold some sort of a conversation 
to save my life, I'll find the courage to phone you!
Thanks for the offer. I'll remember it and call you when I have enough 
courage! For now I will feel way too stupid! Of course it's good to keep me 
humble!


Yamuna Jivana Dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Vedprakash Sharma

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 10:41 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] My gender clarification

Nice to read this beautifully presented story of your present life.
For Hindi speaking, feel free to call me whenever you please. I am now 
retired and have ample time to gossip and entertain. My mobile No. is:

9013000251
-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On 
Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)

Sent: 08 March 2023 06:36 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] My gender clarification

Dear Access India list members,

On a few occasions on this list, people have been conjecturing whether I am 
male or female, because the name Yamuna appears in my Vaishnava diksha name.

I thought I might as well take the time to clarify. 

At my birth, my parents named me Yoganathan. My family surname is Khandoo, 
(originally in India it would have been Kandu as per the name as found in 
the Srimad Bhagavatam,), but when my paternal Great-grandfather arrived from 
South India in the 1800s, the british slave-owners did little in spelling 
our names as they should be. After all we were captured slaves so why should 
they care?


At this point I could go into the sad and painful history of how our 
ancestors eventually liberated themselves from slavery and established a 
thriving Indian community in South Africa, but I will resist the temptation.


Over time and as generations passed, they were indoctrinated into speaking 
the English language of the colonizers. Still, our family kept away from 
cross-race inter marriages despite 4 generations in South Africa. Little 
remnants remained of the Tamil language of our ancestry, but we kept 
whatever we could by way of prayers and rituals coming down from previous 
generations.


No wonder then when I was born, a South Indian priest was consulted by my 
parents and he offered the name Yoganathan. So that's my birth name in my 
official documents: passport, South African ID card Etc.


When I grew up, my Grandfather always told me that I reminded him of his own 
father. You see, I had developed a yearning to understand the purpose of 
life, God, our purpose on earth and such existential concerns. I always 
found myself disturbed to see the suffering of others, both man and animal.
So in 1997 when I first came across a Hare Krishna preacher of Vedic wisdom, 
I took to the study like a hungry man takes to water in a dry desert. My 
Grandfather noticed the transformation in my life, and as he watched me 
perform aratis and bhoga offerings to the deity, chanting of Japa Etc, he 
always remarked how I reminded him of his father who was a Brahmana captured 
into slavery but who kept performing his worship and sadhana in South 
Africa.


So, when I eventually was ready for it, in 2005 my spiritual master whose 
name is Partha Sarathi Dasa Goswami, gave me Diksha initiation into the 
Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya. By this time we had learnt how 
the body we live in is really insignificant because we are spirit souls 
temporarily inhabiting different bodies, and although my spiritual master 
was an English man born in England, I was impressed so much by his own 
dedication to the Vaishnava life despite him being a typical English man 
born from the land of our cruel colonizers, still I accepted him as my Guru 
because he was a disciple of the founder of the Hare Krishna movement A.C.
Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada. He had transcended his white English 
male body and was now a pure Vaishnava dedicated to serving and loving the 
supreme personality of Godhead Sri Krishna.


So on that faithful day of 23 November 2005, I received Diksha initiation.
My Guru gave me the spiritual name Yamuna Jivana Dasa.

Yamuna refers to the holy river Yamuna in Vrindavana Dhama. The word Jivana 
literally means the life of. So that person who is the life of the Yamuna is 
Sri Krishna. So this name Yamuna Jivana refers to Sri Krishna who is the 
life of the Yamuna river. Therefore this is a masculine name referring to 
Lord Krishna himself. At the end of a Vaishnava name, we always add the word 
Dasa. Dasa means servant. So the full Sanskrit to English translation of my 
name is that I am a servant of that person who is the life of, or very dear 
to the Yamuna, namely Lord Krishna.


Interestingly in 2008, I met my wife who has a very similar history to 
s

Re: [AI] accessibility of income tax website

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
Although I've never used this Tax website interface before, you are 
describing something I have definitely seen before, where with PC ccursor on 
a web page if you hit an otherwise inaccessible button, you get taken 
totally out of the web page and land in either another opened application or 
on the desktop. You said for you it takes to the home page, not sure if you 
mean the home page of the website portal or the home page of your browser, 
but still worth trying the below and say what happens.


I'm offering you here some advice based on my own experience with buttons 
accessed with virtual PC cursor turned off doing strange things, which might 
very well help you.
Since it does display to PC Cursor (I'm assuming you're using Jaws), but if 
NVDA let me know and I'll modify the instructions.


Try the following:
1. Press Alt Space bar then X to maximize the browser window;
2. With Virtual PC Cursor turned off (Insert Z), tab along till you find 
that button using PC cursor (not virtual PC cursor);
3. Press Insert Numpad Minus to route Jaws cursor to PC cursor (in Laptop 
keyboard layout that would be Capslock and Left bracket);

4. Now initiate a left-click either with Jaws or with left mouse button.

This sometimes works better than pressing Enter on the continue button with 
PC cursor active.
However it might also be an idea to try to maximize the screen first (Step 1 
above), then the good old Enter button or spacebar might also work instead 
of the above steps 2 onwards.


Please do let us know if this helps your particular case.
Otherwise if you need help, call me on Whatsapp:
+27 82 291 6081.

Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana dasa

-Original Message- 
From: BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA

Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 9:31 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessibility of income tax website

Yes, I did it after login to income tax return filing portal. i feel
still it is bit tricky.

Paying income tax without login is inaccessible because continue button
only appear in PC cursore and pressing the button takes to home page.


On 3/7/2023 7:37 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali wrote:
For advanced tax payment you should pay it through IT portal itself 
actually.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On 
Behalf Of Minar Singh

Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 7:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] accessibility of income tax website

Have you try to file ITR using cleartax.in portal? it is farely accessible 
with NVDA in edge browser.


On 3/7/23, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA  wrote:

HELLO ACCESINDIA,


I am trying to pay my advance tax through E-pay link from
incometax.gov.in after entering my pan and mobile number OTP reach on
my mobile and the OTP entering page don't work with virtual cursore.
it works with PC cursore and the continue button pressed it takes me
back to home page. Have anyone in the group tried to pay advance tax.
if so, please let me know how to do it.


thanks,


bhawani


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[AI] My gender clarification

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Access India list members,

On a few occasions on this list, people have been conjecturing whether I am 
male or female, because the name Yamuna appears in my Vaishnava diksha name.

I thought I might as well take the time to clarify. 

At my birth, my parents named me Yoganathan. My family surname is Khandoo, 
(originally in India it would have been Kandu as per the name as found in 
the Srimad Bhagavatam,), but when my paternal Great-grandfather arrived from 
South India in the 1800s, the british slave-owners did little in spelling 
our names as they should be. After all we were captured slaves so why should 
they care?


At this point I could go into the sad and painful history of how our 
ancestors eventually liberated themselves from slavery and established a 
thriving Indian community in South Africa, but I will resist the temptation.


Over time and as generations passed, they were indoctrinated into speaking 
the English language of the colonizers. Still, our family kept away from 
cross-race inter marriages despite 4 generations in South Africa. Little 
remnants remained of the Tamil language of our ancestry, but we kept 
whatever we could by way of prayers and rituals coming down from previous 
generations.


No wonder then when I was born, a South Indian priest was consulted by my 
parents and he offered the name Yoganathan. So that's my birth name in my 
official documents: passport, South African ID card Etc.


When I grew up, my Grandfather always told me that I reminded him of his own 
father. You see, I had developed a yearning to understand the purpose of 
life, God, our purpose on earth and such existential concerns. I always 
found myself disturbed to see the suffering of others, both man and animal.
So in 1997 when I first came across a Hare Krishna preacher of Vedic wisdom, 
I took to the study like a hungry man takes to water in a dry desert. My 
Grandfather noticed the transformation in my life, and as he watched me 
perform aratis and bhoga offerings to the deity, chanting of Japa Etc, he 
always remarked how I reminded him of his father who was a Brahmana captured 
into slavery but who kept performing his worship and sadhana in South 
Africa.


So, when I eventually was ready for it, in 2005 my spiritual master whose 
name is Partha Sarathi Dasa Goswami, gave me Diksha initiation into the 
Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya. By this time we had learnt how 
the body we live in is really insignificant because we are spirit souls 
temporarily inhabiting different bodies, and although my spiritual master 
was an English man born in England, I was impressed so much by his own 
dedication to the Vaishnava life despite him being a typical English man 
born from the land of our cruel colonizers, still I accepted him as my Guru 
because he was a disciple of the founder of the Hare Krishna movement A.C. 
Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada. He had transcended his white English 
male body and was now a pure Vaishnava dedicated to serving and loving the 
supreme personality of Godhead Sri Krishna.


So on that faithful day of 23 November 2005, I received Diksha initiation. 
My Guru gave me the spiritual name Yamuna Jivana Dasa.


Yamuna refers to the holy river Yamuna in Vrindavana Dhama. The word Jivana 
literally means the life of. So that person who is the life of the Yamuna is 
Sri Krishna. So this name Yamuna Jivana refers to Sri Krishna who is the 
life of the Yamuna river. Therefore this is a masculine name referring to 
Lord Krishna himself. At the end of a Vaishnava name, we always add the word 
Dasa. Dasa means servant. So the full Sanskrit to English translation of my 
name is that I am a servant of that person who is the life of, or very dear 
to the Yamuna, namely Lord Krishna.


Interestingly in 2008, I met my wife who has a very similar history to 
share. She was born of Indian parents in South America, Guyana, but whose 
ancestory are North-Indian, particularly of Bengali origin.


She too came from a family who very closely kept their Indian culture and 
traditions, but remained in search of Vedic truths. When she took initiation 
also into the Hare Krishna society there in Guyana, she received the name 
Kalindi Dasi. This name is interesting because even before we met on-line 
across the seas, her name was linked to mine. The name Kalindi refers to the 
Yamuna river, but specifically to the personality which embodies that river. 
In Vedic understanding, even the holy rivers are embodied by living 
personality. Like me, she too was attracted to Sri Vrindavana Dhama where 
this Yamuna river resides and personifies as Kalindi. She made me promise 
that if we got married, some day I would bring her to Vrindavana to live.


We built up some finances by me working in various sectors: Internet 
Technical Support, banking Back-office support, and finally as an 
accessibility traner for the blind, and on that faithful day of 11 November 
2022, we finally arrived in Sri 

Re: [AI] YOUTUBE link of General awareness session on incometax

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Brother Mukesh,

Thanks for this link. I have started listening to the content. There is a 
lot of valuable information you provide and I definitely want to study it 
more closely.


One small problem is the quality of the audio is very poor, making some of 
the content hard to hear and affects assimilation of the valuable info you 
are providing.

. If you would not mind some suggestions:

Your recording environment has a lot of room ambiance or room echo 
background sound resulting from your speaking. In itself this will not be 
much of a problem, but since Zoom applies a technology called noise 
cancellation to the received audio, it tends to cancel out some of your 
actual speech audio along with the background room sound of your speech. 
This creates a muffled output result which is difficult to hear without 
great effort.
I am also gradually aligning my mind with the Indian accent speaking 
English, so that hearing is difficult when audio quality is also poor.


If this session was held in Zoom, there are ways to ensure that Zoom will 
give you far better audio quality over the network. There are a few things 
you can do to minimize this problem with the audio quality:
1. Speak much closer to the microphone so that your voice is directly 
reaching the microphone. This causes the background room ambiance to be 
masked and so less problematic.
2. I am attaching here to this E-mail an article I wrote to apply a few 
steps in Zoom for improving audio quality.


The article was originally intended for musicians performing live over a 
Zoom conference, but will equally improve spoken voice as well. Of course if 
desired you may filter out everything else I mention related to the 
spiritually focused audience for which the article was produced.


To end with your conference content: I will later try to take some notes for 
myself and if I am successful doing that I can share in text form for others 
to benefit further.

Thank you again for an excellent effort and for the valuable content.
If you or anyone here wish to talk further on this point of audio quality 
over Zoom please call me on Whatsapp number: +27 82 2916081. If you do not 
reach me, please leave a voice note and I will respond at my soonest 
convenience.


With warm  regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

-Original Message- 
From: 'Saravanan K' via AccessIndia

Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2023 11:06 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] YOUTUBE link of General awareness session on incometax

Hello Friends,

Vision access conducted a general awareness session on incometax in
the last week.
Thanks for members attending the session & get benefitted from it.
Many of them felt bad on missing the session.
They also requested us to share the recordings of the session for
getting the clarity on it.
Based on their request, we are now publishing the recording of the
session on youtube.
We are requesting you all to go thru this recordings & get benefitted
from the same.
We are also expecting your valuable suggestion on this session.
So, Please go thru this youtube link & provide your feedback on this 
session.


Click this link:
https://youtu.be/1ZgQnAxliNM

Regards.
Mukesh Jain
m:  70210 30307
Saravanan
m: 9916512402

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optimizing Zoom Audio for live music, performing of hymns / Kirtanas with
musical instruments
Revision 1.2
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[Thanks to everyone who contribute in any way to each revision of this
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Re: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Kallem Pavan Prabhuji,
Dandavat Pranams. Jai Sri Guru Gauranga.

Really a great pleasure hearing from you.
From your style of addressing me it is obvious you are connected somehow to 

Gaudiya Vaisnavism. This is really a pleasant surprise.
Are you totally blind or parcially sighted?
Thanks for your kind comments and appreciation of my radio productions.
More of my radio shows can be found here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wagas0l00bpkm9w/ZErtowckKP
From here you can see the titles of each show in the file names and download 

and listen to the ones you wish to hear.
Kind regards and Hare Krishna,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: pavan kallem

Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 1:15 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

Dear prabhu Yamuna Jivana Dasa,
Hare Krishna,
all glories to guru and Gauranga,
I would like to express my sincere appreciation for the audio segment
you shared on the topic of audio editing. The use of your own voice
for the dialog, along with the transformation of another voice using
audio plugin software to create a character named "Doubting Thomas,"
is a creative and entertaining approach to presenting information on
the show.
Furthermore, I am impressed by your dedication and skill in producing
this segment without sighted help, using Sonar Producer edition and
Jaws with the Jaws scripts for Sonar called JSonar. Your commitment to
your craft and ability to overcome challenges is truly inspiring.
Thank you for sharing this segment with me, and I wish you all the
best in your future endeavors.
Sincerely,
Kallem Pavan.
9908541321

On 3/6/23, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  wrote:

On the topic of audio editing, here is a segment of Simple Living Higher
Thinking, a show that I am currently producing for South African National
Radio, on a station called 2000 FM.
I use my own voice for the dialog. One of the voices is transformed using
audio plugin software, to sound like a different guy whom we call 
"Doubting


Thomas". In this way I have an argument with myself for the show. If you
find it entertaining do let me know.
Oh and I do this without sighted help, using Sonar Producer edition and 
Jaws


with the Jaws scripts for Sonar called JSonar.
MP3 file is attached.

By the way my India number is now working again. Apparently it's just bad
signal with Airtel around here.
73021 40359.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message-
From: George Abraham
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2023 5:54 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

Hi,

Try Pradeep Sikdar. I learnt Gold Wave from him. Today I am able to
confidently produce and edit my own podcasts.

He can be reached on "pradeepsik...@gmail.com"

He is very good.

Best,

George He is very good. He can be reached on pradeepsik...@gmail.com


-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]


On Behalf Of ishan dhami
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 9:07 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

Hello access indians!
I am looking for an audio editing trainer with screenreaders.
I am basically looking for a trainer who can teach me the basics of audio
editing through computer. the teacher must have skills of audio editing on
these spesific softwares such as gold wave, audacity and so on.
the teacher must know about the screenreader commands and other stuff such
as fade in fade out, putting the BGM and sounds together.
If anybody can help me in this field it will be highly appriciated.
Thanks
Ishan

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[AI] For your interest, the following complaints sent to Airtel Ombadsman E-mail includes accessibility concerns over their App

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi Friends,
The below was sent to:
n...@airtel.com

Hi,
We bought Rs 20 Talktime, but it does not allow making calls. When Airtel
advertises this talktime package they do not inform customers that it can
only be used in conjunction with another package, and if this the case then
there is lack of transparency over product offers.
The Call-center numbers 121 and 198 cannot reach a service representative
because even after recharging with a 155 or 179 package, it claims there is
not enough talktime to make the call when we choose the option to speak to a
service representative. This further lacks integrity.

The Airtel store outlets are unable to offer any solutions on any of these
issues.

The Airtel App is also totally inaccessible to Mobile Phone screen-readers
used by the blind, such as VoiceOver for IOS or Talkback for Android.
Given the lack of access to consultants these many issues leaves a bitter
taste in dealing with this phone provider.
We are hopeful that someone will respond to these concerns.
Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana Dasa



Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Rahul Gambhir

Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 2:02 PM
To: ykhan...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

Dear Sir,

I am Rahul Gambhir, writing this email in response to your email on Access
India.
I thoroughly enjoyed content in your show.
Looking forward to connect with you on a phone call very soon.



With regards
Rahul Gambhir
Mobile: 989133
Email: rahul.gambhi...@gmail.com 


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Re: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi Kannan,
You wrote:
> I am a musician taking online music classes for foreign settlers of India. >

Do you mean you are teaching Indian music to foreigners entering India or are 
you taking classes from foreigners who settled in India?
Let’s talk. What DAW are you using, and is it with screen-reader?
I’m on Whatsapp: +27822916081.
Or in India: 7302140359.
However my Indian phone is not working very well, so try the ofirst number if 
you can’t reach me.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Kannan Chairman Music Hunter 
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2023 7:11 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

Dear Ishan, 

I can transfer my knowledge in the basics of audio editing to you on your 
interest. 

I am a musician taking online music classes for foreign settlers of India. 

I do have studio experience for album songs composing as well. 

If you are interested, You can reach me through whatsapp for timings etc... 

Just drop in a voice note of your convenient time to 

+919739299644




On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:07 PM ishan dhami  wrote:

  Hello access indians!
  I am looking for an audio editing trainer with screenreaders.
  I am basically looking for a trainer who can teach me the basics of
  audio editing through computer. the teacher must have skills of audio
  editing on these spesific softwares such as gold wave, audacity and so
  on.
  the teacher must know about the screenreader commands and other stuff
  such as fade in fade out, putting the BGM and sounds together.
  If anybody can help me in this field it will be highly appriciated.
  Thanks
  Ishan

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Re: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hare Krishna.
That is exactly what I have been doing since 1996. I am a music producer and 
ran a studio called Gaura Records for many years.
I might be able to help you get started, but only once I am settled here in 
India. At the moment I'm just all over the place and my mind is not peaceful 
enough to teach.

But we can talk. Call me on 7302140359.
Hopefully my phone will actually ring and not do what it often does, not 
receive the call.

Thanks.

Yamuna Jivana dasa
-Original Message- 
From: ishan dhami

Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 9:07 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] an audio editing trainer.

Hello access indians!
I am looking for an audio editing trainer with screenreaders.
I am basically looking for a trainer who can teach me the basics of
audio editing through computer. the teacher must have skills of audio
editing on these spesific softwares such as gold wave, audacity and so
on.
the teacher must know about the screenreader commands and other stuff
such as fade in fade out, putting the BGM and sounds together.
If anybody can help me in this field it will be highly appriciated.
Thanks
Ishan

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[AI] Where to buy a 3-wheeler scooter?

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi friends,
Please can someone suggest who to call to buy a 3-wheeler scooter? I’ve been 
researching and found Amo Jaunty 3-wheeler, Warivo three-wheeler brands, but 
nobody willing to sell them to us here in Vrindavana, not even a willing 
distributor from Mathura city.
Of course we cannot drive these ourselves so always will need someone to take 
us around, hence I’m requesting to find this.
Any advice will be very much appreciated.
Thanks.
Yamuna Jivana Dasa

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Re: [AI] Union Sparsh braille accessible debit card by Union Bank of India

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Prashant Naik Sir,

This is great to learn. However it is important to educate the ground staff. 
Here in Vrindavan for example they still believe that a blind person cannot 
open a bank account at Union Bank, unless that account is a joint account with 
a sighted individual. For this reason I was refused to open a bank account with 
Union Bank, although ICICI has opened an account for me. If you can suggest 
further please write me off-line: ykhan...@gmail.com

Thanks kindly.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Prashant Naik 
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 8:59 PM
To: accessindia 
Subject: [AI] Union Sparsh braille accessible debit card by Union Bank of India

Dear list




Sharing recent banking accessibility development. 



Union Bank of India has been a Pioneer of conceptualizing truly accessible and 
Talking ATM and implementing them on a large scale.  Bank has taken another 
lead by introducing an inclusive and accessible banking card product named 
“Union Sparsh” , a Braille debit card for visually impaired and partially 
sighted people.  



Recently Union Bank of India has rolled out special accessible and Braille 
Debit cards for customers with visual impairments.  Many customers who have 
applied have received this special accessible debit card by Union Bank of 
India.  



This accessible Braille debit card named “Union Sparsh” is designed as part of 
the bank's dedicated accessible and inclusive banking program ‘Union Access’ 
launched on Global Accessibility Awareness Day in May 2022. This special 
accessible card development is done with the support from experts from the 
blind community in India and cooperation with NGOs - Saksham Delhi, NAB Delhi 
and XRCVC, Mumbai.   



Salient features of Union Sparsh card : 

  a.. The Union Sparsh debit card are identified by the raised letter “U” 
embossed in Braille. The U stands for “Union Bank of India”. The Braille 
marking on the card makes it easy to recognize the card and differentiate it 
from other banks cards.  It also helps to know the face of the card.
  b.. A rounded notch to the opposite edge of the chip is another key tactile 
feature added in the card design. This serves as a guide for the direction in 
which to insert the card and to recognize that this is a Debit Card type for 
the blind card users to use the card in the right direction at ATMs and payment 
terminals.  
  c.. Card also has a UV printing effect with raised texture for the large size 
of the bank logo and contactless symbol just next to card chip on the face of 
the card.  
Bank's this RuPay EMV Platinum card variant has other key features such as 
international card, rewards points, insurance cover and lounge access.  



Union Bank’s Visually impaired customers can request new debit card or their 
current cards can also be replaced on request.  Important requirement is that 
the customer is registered in the bank’s system as customer type ‘Blind’. 

  

Union Bank of India is regularly spreading awareness to the field staff to 
enhance banking access to PwDs and advised branches to open accounts for 
persons with disabilities.



Union Bank of India has a history of great initiatives to accomplish underlying 
objectives of universal accessibility.  Bank continues to aspire to be the best 
accessible bank for all. 



For accessibility feedback connect with Bank’s Access Team – 
unionacc...@unionbankofindia.bank




Thanks & Regards 
Prashant Naik
Mob: 9967968881


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Re: [AI] JAWS Compatibility with WhatsApp

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi That’s good to learn.
Is it possible to get Whatsapp scripts for earlier versions of Jaws and to 
install into those versions? I’m running Jaws 2020 and 2022.
Also would be interesting to check if someone has written addins for NVDA for 
Whatsapp Desktop. I’ll have to check the Addins page. Just don’t have time 
right now.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Vikas Kapoor 
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2023 9:16 PM
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Subject: [AI] JAWS Compatibility with WhatsApp

Folks,
The February version of JAWS 2023 appears to have been made almost
fully compatible with the desktop version of WhatsApp. They have
integrated the WhatsApp scripts in this version, where, you can set
JAWS to read the chat messages automatically and you'll also hear a
tick tick sound when the other person is typing. In short, I'm
completely reminded of the Skype  messenger that used to work
fantastically at one point of time. You can read all JAWS shortcuts commands by 
pressing JAWS+H while being in the WhatsApp window.

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Re: [AI] Sample of windows 11 natural voices

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
These Windows 7 TTS voices sound great, but how responsive are they with 
keyboard echo responsiveness? That we will only know when using them, I guess. 
Have you tried? If so please share your feedback. I doubt they can be installed 
on older versions of Windows: Windows 7 to 10?

The best for me in this regard, keyboard echo responsiveness, is with the old 
and trusted Eloqueence voice. But recently I found another reasonably natural 
voice even better than eloquence, but with just as good keyboard echo 
responsiveness. It’s called RH Voice which you can find here:
https://rhvoice.org/en-voices/

Have a good evening all.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Usha Meet 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2023 11:23 PM
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Subject: [AI] Sample of windows 11 natural voices

Hi everyone, just listen to The sample of  these amazing windows 11 natural 
voices which can be used off-line with  narrator, screen, readerSample of 
Windows 11 Natural voices Aria, Guy And Jenny 
https://youtu.be/ShuOS5U8s2o

Thanks,
Usha
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Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?

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Hi Pranav,

You wrote:
... You can then do pattern recognition in your head and determine what 
you are looking at. The electrical signals that your brain gets when 
hearing these sounds are the same as those it gets when receiving light 
from organic eyes. >


Wow, this sounds fantastically interesting! I wonder if a person born 
totally blind can benefit from such a concept though. If a person could see 
before, then they can be trained to associate the sound frequencies with the 
visual ones they have experienced in the past, and perhaps this way they can 
develop substitution of sight by sound. But what do you think about those of 
us like myself, who has never seen, not even colours, not even light and 
dark, from birth? Perhaps the best we can hope for with this concept is to 
make our own meaning association, purely based on things we already know in 
our world such as the crude association of objects by touch. I would think 
then we would have to learn how to illiminate all the other visual stimulae 
represented by sound, that we cannot relate to because they don't make sense 
in our world, such as colours and 3-D imaging Etc, which we only know as 
concepts rather than by conscious experience (in Sanskrit we refer to the 
difference between Jnana (theoretical knowledge) and vijnana (realization by 
experience).


Interesting discussion, thanks for bringing this up. Looking forward to more 
of the same.


Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Pranav Lal

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2023 11:17 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?

Anirudh, all,

I was talking about the vOICe. It is a program that converts live images to 
sound. You can then do pattern recognition in your head and determine what 
you are looking at.


The electrical signals that your brain gets when hearing these sounds are 
the same as those it gets when receiving light from organic eyes.


The vOICe works on the principal of sensory substitution where it  replaces 
sound  with vision.


There is no artificial intelligence involved.

Programs such as envision, supersense etc., use artificial intelligence to 
do things like object recognition.


You should think of artificial intelligence as a way for a computer  to 
solve a problem and not as the adding of human like intelligence.

Pranav


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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On 
Behalf Of anirudh rao

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 3:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [AI] I can see but cannot drive, what good is synthetic vision?

yes.
this is the article I was talking about.
found it.
thanks.
SAS is another addition which I did not know.

On 6/1/22, Pranav Lal  wrote:

Hi Asif,

In that case, the vOICe can be one of the tools you use. The only way
to determine this is to try.

Pranav

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From: 'Mohammed Asif Iqbal (IN)' via AccessIndia

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To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
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vision?

Hi Pranav,
I genrally run on road in and around my neighbourhood.
It is flat surface largely.
Thanks and regards.
Asif


On 5/31/22, Pranav Lal  wrote:

Hi Asif,

Yes, the vOICe can certainly be one tool that you can use to run long
distance independently. What kind of terrain are you running on? We
will need to determine what kind of color contrast you have in your
environment so that we can identify visual landmarks.

Get the app on to your phone and try. There is a web version that
works on iPhones as well.

Pranav

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Re: [AI] Regarding captcha solving

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
Obviously things are moving ahead from the dinosaur days to which I belong.
In my time, the way I've always known it, these captcha solving cannot be 
resolved by us because they deliberately make the visuals so difficult to 
identify so that bots can't scan the images with a meaningful result. 
Otherwise they could be overcome with malicious intent anyway which would 
make them pointless.
Some Websites would apply an alternative audio captcha, which would have a 
whole lot of scrambled sounds along with the words or characters to solve, 
that one has to listen to and decipher.
But the visual ones we can't do, unless things have changed (and oh don't 
they change fast).
Now I'm getting older and barely have the interest in keeping up with 
things.
I'll definitely be looking at cloudvision Add-on and how it works. Thanks 
for that.


Yamuna Jivana dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Aravind R

Sent: Monday, January 09, 2023 7:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding captcha solving

use cloudvision NVDA add on.

On 09/01/2023, Ram  wrote:

Friends,

Sometimes the image description on google chrome is unable to solve the
captcha.

Is there any dependable way to solve the captcha?

Is there any inbuilt feature in Jaws/NVDA to solve the captcha?


Ram.


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[AI] Airtel Thanks Accessibility with Talkback?

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi Friends,

Has anyone had any success using the Airtel Thanks App with Talkback or Voice 
Assistant on Android platforms? When I open the App and swipe around, I’m 
getting garbage feedback on a Samsung Galaxy J8.
This phone is somewhat weird because it has separate Talkback and Voice 
Assistant screen-readers built-in, both having different roter functions (Flick 
up then down, or down then up) mean different things in the 2 screen-readers, 
and it is not possible to choose Talkback independently because it always runs 
on top of Voice Assistant.

Anyway my main issue in this E-mail I am hoping for feedback on is about the 
Airtel Thanks App accessibility. Thanks for any feedback.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa

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Re: [AI] Got UDID card in just 3 days

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi friends,
as y'all know I'm new in India. What is UDID card? What is PwDs? India uses 
all these acronyms I need to learn!
In India do blind people have any sort of privileged rights such as special 
rates on public transport, queues in hospitals, disability grant Etc?


Thanks.



Yamuna Jivana Dasa
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From: Kanchan Pamnani

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2022 5:55 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] Got UDID card in just 3 days

Swarna, congrats.
Don’t forget to download your Medical Certificate/disability Certificate. 
Its also on the same site.

Its needed for Section 80U.
Kanchan

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On Behalf Of Swarna Badrinath

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Subject: [AI] Got UDID card in just 3 days

Hi All,

I am writing to share that my UDID card got generated in just 3 days.
I

Hi all,

I am writing to share with you all that my UDID card got generated in just 3 
days.
I stay at Tumkur(extended Bangalore). I had applied online for UDID card on 
15th of December 2022, on 16th I visited to the govt hospital with the copy 
of online application and my disability book. The doctor attended to me in 
half an hour and he himself guided me for rest of the process. I could 
complete few of the formalities in the hospital only on Monday the 18th of 
Dec and by 1 PM on the same day my UDID number got generated. I immediately 
downloaded my certificate and UDID card. I am told that the hard copy of the 
same will be dispatched from Chennai after 2 and a half months.
I did not wait for that and immidiately took the color print of my smart 
card and got it PVC done and my card is ready. In Karnataka everybody says 
that they received the hard copy by post exactly in 3 months.


Regards,
Swarna.
am staying in a place

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Re: [AI] Learning Hindi, TTS and Devanagari typing

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear friends,
While investigating, I found something that seems to work quite well for 
Windows platforms which is what I was looking for.
It is a customizable key mapping devanagari keyboard that corresponds to 
QWERTY equivalents and variations are made using Shift key, Control Alt, and 
Control Alt Shift combinations.
This is very nice for someone who knows English and only now learning Hindi, 
because you can use your knowledge of the English letters to produce similar 
sounds of letters in the Devanagari script using similar keyboard input.

Check it out here:
https://ankursethi.in/better-hindi-typing-on-windows-using-devanagari-qwerty/

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)

Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2022 5:29 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Learning Hindi, TTS and Devanagari typing

Hi,
Thanks for the link from fifty languages. I downloaded the 100 lessons audio
files and started listening to them. I suspect this will definitely help get
me started learning some Hindi. I have great respect for someone speaking a
language they were not using at home. I hope I will become even slightly
intelligible speaking Hindi here in India. definitely it will take a lot of
effort and determination, and one has to start somewhere: at the beginning!

I also downloaded the Vocalizer voice for Lekha and tried changing my
keyboard to Devanagari, but now of course I still don't know the Hindi
alphabet. My sons who are fully sighted are learning Sanskrit for the last 2
years now, and they know Devanagari reasonably well, so they tried using my
ordinary QWERTY keyboard to type but they could not figure out the letters
on the keyboard. Instead they launched the On-Screen keyboard and typed Hare
Krishna in Devanagari from there. Lekha managed to pronounce it properly in
Jaws. Quite nice!

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Kakarla Nageswaraiah

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2022 4:31 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Learning Hindi, TTS and Devanagari typing

Hello,
Try learning from the below link:
https://www.50languages.com/phrasebook/en/hi/
Also, listen to radio news and other programmes.  For instance,
5-minutes in English followed by hindi or vice versa.
If you learn Hindi Braille, you can read some Hindi magazines and
bilingual books.
Regards.


On 12/23/22, rituraj meena  wrote:

Your question is not clear to me, do you want to learn Hindi or want to
learn to write Hindi because you have talked about keyboard at one place,
if you want to learn to write Hindi, then you can use Windows Standard
keyboard of Hindi। You can use the voice of Neel and lekha voices for 
Hindi


reading.  I don't suggest any other keyboards to everyone because you find
Hindi standard keyboard of windows anywhere but other keyboards maybe not
available anywhere that's why I prefer and suggest to learn Hindi typing 
on


standard typing keyboard which can be unable in control panel of any
version of windows easily.

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Re: [AI] Learning Hindi, TTS and Devanagari typing

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
Thanks for the link from fifty languages. I downloaded the 100 lessons audio 
files and started listening to them. I suspect this will definitely help get 
me started learning some Hindi. I have great respect for someone speaking a 
language they were not using at home. I hope I will become even slightly 
intelligible speaking Hindi here in India. definitely it will take a lot of 
effort and determination, and one has to start somewhere: at the beginning!


I also downloaded the Vocalizer voice for Lekha and tried changing my 
keyboard to Devanagari, but now of course I still don't know the Hindi 
alphabet. My sons who are fully sighted are learning Sanskrit for the last 2 
years now, and they know Devanagari reasonably well, so they tried using my 
ordinary QWERTY keyboard to type but they could not figure out the letters 
on the keyboard. Instead they launched the On-Screen keyboard and typed Hare 
Krishna in Devanagari from there. Lekha managed to pronounce it properly in 
Jaws. Quite nice!


Yamuna Jivana Dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Kakarla Nageswaraiah

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2022 4:31 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Learning Hindi, TTS and Devanagari typing

Hello,
Try learning from the below link:
https://www.50languages.com/phrasebook/en/hi/
Also, listen to radio news and other programmes.  For instance,
5-minutes in English followed by hindi or vice versa.
If you learn Hindi Braille, you can read some Hindi magazines and
bilingual books.
Regards.


On 12/23/22, rituraj meena  wrote:

Your question is not clear to me, do you want to learn Hindi or want to
learn to write Hindi because you have talked about keyboard at one place,
if you want to learn to write Hindi, then you can use Windows Standard
keyboard of Hindi। You can use the voice of Neel and lekha voices for 
Hindi


reading.  I don't suggest any other keyboards to everyone because you find
Hindi standard keyboard of windows anywhere but other keyboards maybe not
available anywhere that's why I prefer and suggest to learn Hindi typing 
on


standard typing keyboard which can be unable in control panel of any
version of windows easily.

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Re: [AI] MS word table query

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Hi,
I wrote about this in my computer literacy training course which I designed 
while teaching in South Africa. Here's the extract you might find useful as 
per your query, but please understand you will need to know how to navigate 
dialog boxes and the ribbon menu using the screen-reader because at this 
point of the course we have already completed learning those things, so this 
is a little more advanced discussion:


Creating Tables

The easiest way to create a table is as follows:
Go to Insert on the Ribbon menu, then control left and right arrow to the 
Table group box sub menu and press enter on it. Up Arrow to Insert table and 
press enter.


Now you will land in a dialog box beginning with 2 edit spin boxes asking 
for the number of columns and rows. Tab between these controls. Make your 
selection either by typing or arrowing through the options. There is a set 
of radio buttons with "Fixed column width" selected by default. Change this 
to "Auto fit to contents". Tab to the Ok button and press it.


Notice the table shows up in your document, and the screen-reader reports 
the number of rows and columns when your cursor enters into it as you 
navigate.


The good thing about this kind of table for the screen-reader user is that 
the size of the cells changes to fit the contents as you add data into the 
cells of the table, so you do not need to be concerned about the size of the 
cells accommodating your input data for your sighted readers.


You can navigate to the cells in all 4 directions inside the table simply by 
holding control and alt down with your left hand, then with your right hand, 
use your arrow keys to move through columns with left and right arrows, and 
through rows using up and down arrows. To edit the contents, let go of the 
Control and Alt keys, type in your text, and navigate the cell using the 
text navigation commands we have already learnt.


Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Minar Singh

Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2022 1:41 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] MS word table query

Hello team,
I'm trying to create a table in MS Word but the content is behaving
against my will. I want to prevent content from 1st column and 1st row
spreading in to the 2nd column and 2nd row and so on.. I had tried to
implement various techniques but no use. I have explored various
settings applicable for rows and columns but didn' work for me. Any
technique is welcome.

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Re: [AI] Learning Hindi, TTS and Devanagari typing

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Hi,
You wrote:

Windows10 or 11 has many hindi keyboards we can install from regional

and languages option and try. >

When you type in Hindi or Devanagari on the physical keyboard, are you using 
a standard QWERTY keyboard with the Devanagari characters assigned to 
different keys on that QWERTY keyboard that you just have to figure out and 
learn, or are you using a special physical Devanagari keyboard with the 
regional settings in Windows configured for that keyboard?


Thanks.
Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Aravind R

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2022 4:27 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Learning Hindi, TTS and Devanagari typing

all screen readers reads hindi.
Lekha is the best synthesiser in hindi.
Windows10 or 11 has many hindi keyboards we can install from regional
and languages option and try.

On 23/12/2022, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  wrote:

Dear friends,

As you know I’m just newly in India, and I really wish to learn some 
Hindi.
My sighted family are able to learn quite quickly because they interact 
with
the sighted world, and so by various visual queues, reading of subtitles 
in

Hindi movies and others they have the learning advantage.

I am hoping someone might suggest a way to get me started. Baby steps
please. Also preferably a way to use a Hindi screen-reader which 
recognizes

the Devanagari script, and suggestions on which Windows-based devanagari
keyboard to choose Etc.

Thanks for any help.

Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana Dasa

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[AI] Learning Hindi, TTS and Devanagari typing

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear friends,

As you know I’m just newly in India, and I really wish to learn some Hindi. My 
sighted family are able to learn quite quickly because they interact with the 
sighted world, and so by various visual queues, reading of subtitles in Hindi 
movies and others they have the learning advantage.

I am hoping someone might suggest a way to get me started. Baby steps please. 
Also preferably a way to use a Hindi screen-reader which recognizes the 
Devanagari script, and suggestions on which Windows-based devanagari keyboard 
to choose Etc.

Thanks for any help.

Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana Dasa

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Re: [AI] Does your siblings not getting married because of your disability.

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Friends,
There are always intelligent, thoughtful and broad-minded people out there, 
even in India.

But like anything in this world, the good is harder to find.
The right person will come along, either for your sighted sibling or for 
yourself. Take heart. And pray while dedicating oneself to the path of 
spiritual life.

My story I shared yesterday is proof that God listens, but in his own time.

Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana dasa

-Original Message- 
From: BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA

Sent: Friday, December 23, 2022 8:04 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Does your siblings not getting married because of your 
disability.


it is good to read! that

If you get a very good job, people will understand that you are not a
dependent to your brother.

it is dificult to prove that you are in good job even if you get a good
one. blindness is blindness, it has nothing to do with your good job
outside your office building. I have 30 years of banking job, but, still
some of my far relatives don't believe it. A complete blind person has
to struggle with the perception in society. only wait and watch rule works.



On 12/22/2022 10:26 PM, kannan balasubramanian wrote:

If you get a very good job, people will understand that you are not a
dependent to your brother.


Thank you.

B. KANNAN
Mobile: +919444049216.

On 12/22/22, Cauvery Krishna  wrote:

Hi, Access Indians,
This is a very personal thing but I don't have any other option but to 
ask

this.
I am a person with visual impairment; I have lost my vision at a later
stage of my life.
I am pursuing my post graduation at a reputed institution, I am good with
technology, and I am independent also.
But, when people come to see my elder brother for his arranged marriage 
and
they get to know about me and my disability, they cancel the marriage 
with

my brother.
They think that I am a burden on my brother but I am an independent 
person

and even I am studying on a 100% scholarship and that too with monthly
stipent, and I will soon be getting a good job.
They say that they don't want their daughter to do seva of me.
My brother is does not have a disability, he looks good and ernes good as
well.
But because of me and my disability he is not getting married.
If some one of you has faced this type of situation please suggest me 
what

can I do now.
Thank you.
Cauvery Krishna.

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Re: [AI] Does your siblings not getting married because of your disability.

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

I am very happy to meet a blind community in India consisting of people who 
seem to care for each other, to support and comfort each other through these 
challenges.

This is very encouraging. Way to go everyone. Way to go!

Hugs,

Yamuna Jivana dasa

-Original Message- 
From: Sandeep Singh

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 6:45 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Does your siblings not getting married because of your 
disability.


Just shows how insensitive, how selfish the people have become.
Earlier, people would appreciate someone looking after their
relatives, or even strangers, in need but now no one wants others,
however needy, to share their comfort and facilities. However, please
don't be too disheartened, Cauvery. You are capable enough to take
care of yourself and people will understand it soon enough. Then your
brother will get his right match, and so will you.

Warm regards
Sandeep Singh

On 12/22/22, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA  wrote:

On blindness, the progression of the society is based upon perception
not on truth. In your brother’s case, this perception has now become a
bitter truth. Your brother have to wait and in-search until he get a
right partner who don’t have faith on such perception. In my opinion,
complete blindness for the society, is a matter of adjustment not a
subject of acceptance, and it is a bitter truth.

On 12/22/2022 6:08 AM, Cauvery Krishna wrote:

Hi, Access Indians,
This is a very personal thing but I don't have any other option but to
ask this.
I am a person with visual impairment; I have lost my vision at a later
stage of my life.
I am pursuing my post graduation at a reputed institution, I am good
with technology, and I am independent also.
But, when people come to see my elder brother for his arranged
marriage and they get to know about me and my disability, they cancel
the marriage with my brother.
They think that I am a burden on my brother but I am an independent
person and even I am studying on a 100% scholarship and that too with
monthly stipent, and I will soon be getting a good job.
They say that they don't want their daughter to do seva of me.
My brother is does not have a disability, he looks good and ernes good
as well.
But because of me and my disability he is not getting married.
If some one of you has faced this type of situation please suggest me
what can I do now.
Thank you.
Cauvery Krishna.
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Re: [AI] regarding windows installation with talking windows pre environment.

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Ah Sorry for my previous message - I did not see you were looking for the 
pre-install speech. But still, I think you might be able to do this with 
Narrator from the Windows Installer Runtime environment. Just google 
"Installing Windows with Narrator" and you should come up with something 
useful.


Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: rituraj meena

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2022 8:17 AM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] regarding windows installation with talking windows pre 
environment.


hello access indians,
as subject line says that I want to install windows 11 independently
with the help of TWPE software. I have successfully created bootable
USB pen drive of this software and my system boot successfully from
this. but I am not getting speech feedback from the talking windows
pre environment. I tried windows 10, windows 8, windows 7's TWPE but
got no result. I also search for windows 11 TWPE on google but perhaps
it is not available yet. thats why i used these old versions. If
anyone knows the solution of this problem, please guide me.
for better understanding, i am providing my laptop details.
thanks
laptop: HP Laptop PC 15s-fr2000
windows 11 home single language.
processor Intell core I 3 11th gen.

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Re: [AI] regarding windows installation with talking windows pre environment.

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi,
If you want to use a built-in screen-reader in Windows 11, Windows comes 
natively with speech called Narrator, and it is much improved from the 
Windows 7 version of that screen-reader so give it a try.
The shortcut to enable Narrator in Windows is Control Windows Enter. If that 
fails then try Windows Enter without the Control key for earlier versions of 
Windows. One of these should work from the Windows Desktop.


An even better screen-reader is NVDA, from NVAccess.com which is also 
freeware but built by the blind for the blind.


Oh and while I'm on this topic, if anyone wants to try a very quick 
key-press responsive TTS Voice, you should give RH Voice a try. The voices 
are not perfectly human, but the responsiveness is as good as Eloquence, but 
is free, and has many languages. Personally when I hit a key on the keyboard 
I want immediate response. I will choose responsiveness over clarity of 
voice any time. RH Voice gives the best of both worlds.

https://rhvoice.org/en-voices/
And in case anyone is wondering: No I don't sell any of these products. I'm 
just doing my little bit to make people's lives easier. It's something I'm 
passionate about and have been doing this on other lists also, particularly 
related to audio production for the blind. But now that I have just moved 
home to a new country (India), I'm still a little disoriented so not very 
active on-line.


Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: rituraj meena

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2022 8:17 AM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] regarding windows installation with talking windows pre 
environment.


hello access indians,
as subject line says that I want to install windows 11 independently
with the help of TWPE software. I have successfully created bootable
USB pen drive of this software and my system boot successfully from
this. but I am not getting speech feedback from the talking windows
pre environment. I tried windows 10, windows 8, windows 7's TWPE but
got no result. I also search for windows 11 TWPE on google but perhaps
it is not available yet. thats why i used these old versions. If
anyone knows the solution of this problem, please guide me.
for better understanding, i am providing my laptop details.
thanks
laptop: HP Laptop PC 15s-fr2000
windows 11 home single language.
processor Intell core I 3 11th gen.

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Re: [AI] Aadhaar card exclusions due to biometrics, please advise

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Hi Sagar,
Nice talking with you.
I added you to contacts from my number but strangely it shows you’re not on 
Whatsapp and offered to invite you to Whatsapp.
You can try to also add me – my Whatsapp is still my South African number:
+27822916081
Thanks.

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

From: Sagar Verma 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2022 4:15 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
Subject: Re: [AI] Aadhaar card exclusions due to biometrics, please advise

Hi there, I also am a foreigner, I had no issues opting for Aadhar, 
I'm also totally blind, sometimes what happens is they won't give it to you 
because of the residency criteria, as a foreigner you will have to be a 
resident for 182 days, give me a call will discuss about this


With kind regards,
Sagar.
7696079483.
Above ive provided my Indian number


Sent from my iPhone



  On 19 Dec 2022, at 16:10, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  
wrote:


   
  Dear Access India community,

  I am a new blind community member, having immigrated into India only a month 
ago from South Africa, my country of birth.
  I now live in Vrindavana Mathura. I am trying to purchase a home, but require 
Aadhaar card for this. The problem is that when I approached the Aadhaar 
application agent at HDFC bank, she said she is unable to do it because my eyes 
which are unusual will not be read at the biometrics process. She also insists 
that for her to apply an exclusion she needs special authorization from the 
Indian Government which is not normally available on the agent interface for 
processing applications. Is this not discrimination against disabilities that 
the agent cannot process us without seeking a non-standard interface not 
readily available to them?

  I struggle with Hindi and the agent cannot speak English well either so 
communication is such a challenge for me, and each time I have to tag a guide 
who speaks Hindi along, otherwise I cannot communicate. Each time I go she 
simply says sorry, cannot be done yet. It costs a lot of energy, money and time 
to get the help I need to navigate from my temporary living space to the bank 
each time just to ask, and always getting no indication how long this might 
take for this agent to get the permission she needs to process my non-standard 
exclusion for my Aadhaar card application.

  I tried calling the call-center number that a family member gave to me, 1947, 
but the IVR says that number does not exist. I also Googled and found:
  Guidance on applying as a blind applicant
  but nothing there was able to direct me to a high-level person to push this 
agent to do it at HDFC Bank.
  We also visited another outlet, IndusInd bank, where they are supposed to do 
the application, but the agent there also cannot help – in his case he just 
says the biometrics will not read and there is nothing further he can do – 
that’s it!

  Anyone might have some suggestion to move this quickly I will be very 
grateful. In the meantime I am held up in finding a fair home of my own to live 
in. I currently live in a run down place with no running sweet water for 
drinking or bathing, no hot water – you have to manually boil for bathing - and 
it is now a cold winter here.

  Thanks and kind regards,

  Yamuna Jivana Dasa
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Re: [AI] Aadhaar card exclusions due to biometrics, please advise

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Thanks for this tip. Will follow through.
Kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Sunil Sangtani.

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2022 4:42 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Aadhaar card exclusions due to biometrics, please advise

hi,
i remember that a few months back, i went for aadhar updation and my
eyes were not coming correctly, so he had an option to exclude it.
i suggest you to kindly visit the aadhar offices not the enrolement
center, they'll be able you to guide better.
the list of aadhar offices is available on there website, you can find
the address and go there.


On 12/19/22, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)  wrote:

Dear Access India community,

I am a new blind community member, having immigrated into India only a 
month

ago from South Africa, my country of birth.
I now live in Vrindavana Mathura. I am trying to purchase a home, but
require Aadhaar card for this. The problem is that when I approached the
Aadhaar application agent at HDFC bank, she said she is unable to do it
because my eyes which are unusual will not be read at the biometrics
process. She also insists that for her to apply an exclusion she needs
special authorization from the Indian Government which is not normally
available on the agent interface for processing applications. Is this not
discrimination against disabilities that the agent cannot process us 
without

seeking a non-standard interface not readily available to them?

I struggle with Hindi and the agent cannot speak English well either so
communication is such a challenge for me, and each time I have to tag a
guide who speaks Hindi along, otherwise I cannot communicate. Each time I 
go

she simply says sorry, cannot be done yet. It costs a lot of energy, money
and time to get the help I need to navigate from my temporary living space
to the bank each time just to ask, and always getting no indication how 
long
this might take for this agent to get the permission she needs to process 
my

non-standard exclusion for my Aadhaar card application.

I tried calling the call-center number that a family member gave to me,
1947, but the IVR says that number does not exist. I also Googled and
found:
Guidance on applying as a blind applicant
but nothing there was able to direct me to a high-level person to push 
this

agent to do it at HDFC Bank.
We also visited another outlet, IndusInd bank, where they are supposed to 
do
the application, but the agent there also cannot help – in his case he 
just

says the biometrics will not read and there is nothing further he can do –
that’s it!

Anyone might have some suggestion to move this quickly I will be very
grateful. In the meantime I am held up in finding a fair home of my own to
live in. I currently live in a run down place with no running sweet water
for drinking or bathing, no hot water – you have to manually boil for
bathing - and it is now a cold winter here.

Thanks and kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

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Re: [AI] Re: Transitions in videos

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

This may not be the answer you are looking for, but if you really cannot do 
it with the Windows 10 Video editing App, then try using Camtasia Studio. It 
is quite accessible. I used Version 8.4.4. I have not done transitions 
myself since I can't really varify without sighted help how they look when 
applied, but editing with screen-reader is possible. You can't move 
play-head to specific time manually but you can move the play head by 
playing and pausing the audio, then placing your editing start or end marker 
there.


I can tell you that Total Recorder has worked well for allowing me to edit 
video files containing audio, except that you cannot make very accurate 
edits because you can only place start and end markers at key frames which 
are a little far apart from each other. If you don't need very precise 
editing working with video then Total Recorder is very accessible. This 
limitation does not exist with audio because there is no key frames problem 
with audio alone in Total Recorder.


Sorry if this has not been of much help, but if it might give you other 
accessible options to think about then this might prove useful! :-)


Kind regards,
Yamuna Jivana Dasa
-Original Message- 
From: Binni Kumari

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2022 4:43 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Re: Transitions in videos

Dear List Members,
Please help for the below email.


On 12/19/22, Binni Kumari  wrote:

HI All,
Greetings for the day.
Hope everyone is doing great.
This email is regarding connecting different  videos together with the
help  of video editting software for Windows 10 but transitions are
not very smooth. How can I smoothen the transitions? I can't navigate
to menus with the help of left and right arrow keys with NVDA. Please
guide.
Thanks in anticipation.


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[AI] Aadhaar card exclusions due to biometrics, please advise

[Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)]

Dear Access India community,

I am a new blind community member, having immigrated into India only a month 
ago from South Africa, my country of birth.
I now live in Vrindavana Mathura. I am trying to purchase a home, but require 
Aadhaar card for this. The problem is that when I approached the Aadhaar 
application agent at HDFC bank, she said she is unable to do it because my eyes 
which are unusual will not be read at the biometrics process. She also insists 
that for her to apply an exclusion she needs special authorization from the 
Indian Government which is not normally available on the agent interface for 
processing applications. Is this not discrimination against disabilities that 
the agent cannot process us without seeking a non-standard interface not 
readily available to them?

I struggle with Hindi and the agent cannot speak English well either so 
communication is such a challenge for me, and each time I have to tag a guide 
who speaks Hindi along, otherwise I cannot communicate. Each time I go she 
simply says sorry, cannot be done yet. It costs a lot of energy, money and time 
to get the help I need to navigate from my temporary living space to the bank 
each time just to ask, and always getting no indication how long this might 
take for this agent to get the permission she needs to process my non-standard 
exclusion for my Aadhaar card application.

I tried calling the call-center number that a family member gave to me, 1947, 
but the IVR says that number does not exist. I also Googled and found:
Guidance on applying as a blind applicant
but nothing there was able to direct me to a high-level person to push this 
agent to do it at HDFC Bank.
We also visited another outlet, IndusInd bank, where they are supposed to do 
the application, but the agent there also cannot help – in his case he just 
says the biometrics will not read and there is nothing further he can do – 
that’s it!

Anyone might have some suggestion to move this quickly I will be very grateful. 
In the meantime I am held up in finding a fair home of my own to live in. I 
currently live in a run down place with no running sweet water for drinking or 
bathing, no hot water – you have to manually boil for bathing - and it is now a 
cold winter here.

Thanks and kind regards,

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

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