date:20200428

So then once a social media platform is integrated into our society our
government should step in with heavy handed regulation and decide for the
company what is right and what is wrong?  Would that not then be
suppressing that company’s  freedom of speech too?

What if that company wasn’t an American company, what if it was a Chinese
or Russian company?  What if the company was American but the regulating
government was foreign?

I ask because we now have platforms like tiktok which is Chinese operating
here in America.  Do they have protected speech?  Do I have protected
speech on their platform?  Does someone in India get protected speech on
the platform if the viewer is in America?

Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:00 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> No, that statement actually says the word without need to infer. Integrates
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> You stated:
>> “as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
>> including government thats 100% true”
>>
>> That Statement infers a large house.
>>
>> Where’s the line in the sand?
>>
>> If my social media platform integrates into some facets of society, but
>> not all, including some government, but not all, is that ok?
>>
>> Just curious
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> who said anything about the size of the house
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it
 with my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone
 else’s house.


 In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
 whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.

 Sean



 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of
> society, including government thats 100% true
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions
>> free speech on their platform.
>>
>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to
>> hang out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I
>> should be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut 
>> up
>> etc.
>>
>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
>>> comply with the narrative
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>>
 Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
 tweet.
 How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?

 *From:* Steven Kenney
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 I sense overwhelming sarcasm.

 --
 Steven Kenney
 Network Operations Manager
 WaveDirect Telecommunications
 http://www.wavedirect.net
 (519)737-WAVE (9283)

 --
 *From: *"chuck" 
 *To: *"af" 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they
 wanted you to hear.  Things are much better now.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

 It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all
 private corporations though, especially in situations like this.

 On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of
> free speech protects the government from stifling speech...private 
> citizens
> and corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>
> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
> constitution says.
>
> YMMV
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
>> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the 
>> time
>> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, 
>> but the
>> fringe at both sides is absolutely

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-28 Thread Jason McKemie

I listened to an interview / podcast with the head guy at Memphis Meats,
it's a pretty interesting company / concept.

https://www.memphismeats.com/

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Steve Jones  wrote:

> "takes less space" is easier to manage, easier equating to substantial
> costs
> it also means much less taxable space
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:44 PM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Last I heard the game meat isn't great health wise. Chick fill of
>> hormones or some such.
>>
>> Loving in the Midwest I guess I don't get the whole "takes less space"
>> argument. If there is anything we have an abundance of here it is space.
>> Now water, maybe it takes less water. In the summer cattle or here drink
>> around 25 gallons or more a day for a full grown cow.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:42 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Fake meat and lab grown meat are probably the future.  Lab grown meat
>>> specifically is cleaner, uses less space, scales better, and is infinitely
>>> more humane than the way we're doing mass meat production now. I don't
>>> think anyone is arguing that it can replace a good, small/local farm raised
>>> steak. It can definitely replace what passes for meat at most fast food
>>> establishments, however.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, David Coudron 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know, there seems to be an inordinate amount of time and money put
 into fake meat.   As you say, growing up on a cattle, hog and dairy farm,
 fake meat is blasphemy.   It just isn’t the same smoking/grilling chicken
 thighs and wrapping them in bacon when the chicken and bacon are made out
 of “plankton”.   (I did my best to pull together the chicken thigh and
 Soylent Green threads… 

 Regards,

 David Coudron

 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:32 PM
 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 I thought they were making progress using robots to cut up the
 carcasses.  But I just did a Google search, and there seem to be articles
 saying the robots are coming, and other articles saying they aren’t.

 Maybe I need to try that “plant meat”.  Although that’s blasphemy,
 since many of my customers make their living raising pigs or cows.

 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *David Coudron
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of
 the product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid
 and when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them
 feeder cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient,
 large operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or
 hog operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So
 everything consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know,
 they have been dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot
 skip a rotation or the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the
 large pig operations.   They have pigs that are mature and have to moved
 out of the feed lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to
 feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming
 in regardless.   So next week back where I grew up, they are starting to
 shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them.  So what is going to happen
 is that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat
 on the shelves because of the meat packing plant issue.   I supposed it is
 more accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I
 might argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing
 is the manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing.   Meat
 packing is a pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but
 only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter
 weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.

 I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my
 wager is that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t
 already.   As you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them
 to stay open, but things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of
 most meat packing plants being closed.  Of course most of the issue will be
 over-reaction like the toilet paper thing.

 Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with
 no meat in them.   But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the
 antifreeze shortage

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

2020-04-28 Thread Chuck Macenski

I don't which distributors have these on order from us (Ubiquiti), but we
have an air shipment of stand-alone radios coming into the US next week.

Chuck

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:26 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Really, if you're doing a link longer than 7-8 miles, you should be
> looking at different radios. You're going to have a much better link with
> radios with better tx power.
>
> But that still leaves the problem that I just don't like their dishes...
> and there are good reasons to use a different brand of dish instead.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:27 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed.  I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if
>> unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.
>>
>> I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program.  They said they would
>> sell the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.
>>
>> If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8 miles,
>> you need bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish.  Right now, you have to
>> buy the kit and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the 2.5’
>> dishes down the road.  Horribly wasteful.  Radiowave and KP built dishes
>> specifically for the AF-11.  They are really screwed right now.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior products -
>> something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles.
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They jacked
>> the price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been non-existent since
>> November/December which was the last time I was able to order stand alone
>> AF11 radios. Now a rumor they will never sell them again without their
>> crappy dish? Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust
>> in a couple years which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost
>> about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz channel you can
>> get 1.4gbps full duplex and I have never seen a AF11 radio actually push
>> over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as
>> bad as a AF24 would on a 3-4 mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on
>> out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their pricing is extremely competitive. Ken is awesome,
>> always emails me back within 30 minutes with any questions I have. Hell you
>> can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for 10gbps full duplex for $5200 out
>> the door. Siklu's promo for $4200 link will only do 2gbps which you can't
>> even get from Baltic because they are sold out.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so that the
>>> AF11 is added. So many changes, so little time...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/

 On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> From Streakwave?  They're the one's that told me this morning they
> were never going to get them.
>
> On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>
> Streakwave was telling me that originally too, but it was during the
> change of the model number of the standalone radio.  Now that the model
> number for the stand alone radio is changed, price is a bit higher, but
> they are once again available.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke 
>  wrote:
>
>  One distributor I talked to said they were being told by UBNT that
> their Single Radio order would never be fulfilled
>
> On 4/27/2020 3:20 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
>
> That rumor is incorrect. The AF11 radio is available as a stand-alone
> SKU.
>
> https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11
>
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Why in the world would you buy crappy radios from a crappy company
>> that likes to frivolously sue its customers and distributors?  They also
>> seem to like to discontinue products at the drop of a hat.
>>
>> Not gonna build my business model around a crappy company like that.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM Nate Burke < 
>> n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've heard a rumor that the only way to buy an AF11 radio now is in
>>> a
>>> kit with Radio+Single Diplexer+Dish.  Single radios cannot be
>>> purchased.  How can you keep spares of equipment if that's the case?
>>>
>>> The price has gone up too.  We were getting bare radios for $585
>>> last
>>> year.  Now if you break the cost out of the

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

"takes less space" is easier to manage, easier equating to substantial costs
it also means much less taxable space

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:44 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Last I heard the game meat isn't great health wise. Chick fill of hormones
> or some such.
>
> Loving in the Midwest I guess I don't get the whole "takes less space"
> argument. If there is anything we have an abundance of here it is space.
> Now water, maybe it takes less water. In the summer cattle or here drink
> around 25 gallons or more a day for a full grown cow.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:42 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Fake meat and lab grown meat are probably the future.  Lab grown meat
>> specifically is cleaner, uses less space, scales better, and is infinitely
>> more humane than the way we're doing mass meat production now. I don't
>> think anyone is arguing that it can replace a good, small/local farm raised
>> steak. It can definitely replace what passes for meat at most fast food
>> establishments, however.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, David Coudron 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know, there seems to be an inordinate amount of time and money put
>>> into fake meat.   As you say, growing up on a cattle, hog and dairy farm,
>>> fake meat is blasphemy.   It just isn’t the same smoking/grilling chicken
>>> thighs and wrapping them in bacon when the chicken and bacon are made out
>>> of “plankton”.   (I did my best to pull together the chicken thigh and
>>> Soylent Green threads… 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:32 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought they were making progress using robots to cut up the
>>> carcasses.  But I just did a Google search, and there seem to be articles
>>> saying the robots are coming, and other articles saying they aren’t.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I need to try that “plant meat”.  Although that’s blasphemy, since
>>> many of my customers make their living raising pigs or cows.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *David Coudron
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of
>>> the product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid
>>> and when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them
>>> feeder cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient,
>>> large operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or
>>> hog operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So
>>> everything consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know,
>>> they have been dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot
>>> skip a rotation or the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the
>>> large pig operations.   They have pigs that are mature and have to moved
>>> out of the feed lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to
>>> feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming
>>> in regardless.   So next week back where I grew up, they are starting to
>>> shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them.  So what is going to happen
>>> is that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat
>>> on the shelves because of the meat packing plant issue.   I supposed it is
>>> more accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I
>>> might argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing
>>> is the manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing.   Meat
>>> packing is a pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but
>>> only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter
>>> weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my
>>> wager is that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t
>>> already.   As you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them
>>> to stay open, but things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of
>>> most meat packing plants being closed.  Of course most of the issue will be
>>> over-reaction like the toilet paper thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with
>>> no meat in them.   But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the
>>> antifreeze shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that
>>> was ) these highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply
>>> chains don’t deal with disruption very well.  Not really anyone’s fault,
>>> but tough to see.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *David Coudron*
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-28 Thread Lewis Bergman

Last I heard the game meat isn't great health wise. Chick fill of hormones
or some such.

Loving in the Midwest I guess I don't get the whole "takes less space"
argument. If there is anything we have an abundance of here it is space.
Now water, maybe it takes less water. In the summer cattle or here drink
around 25 gallons or more a day for a full grown cow.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:42 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Fake meat and lab grown meat are probably the future.  Lab grown meat
> specifically is cleaner, uses less space, scales better, and is infinitely
> more humane than the way we're doing mass meat production now. I don't
> think anyone is arguing that it can replace a good, small/local farm raised
> steak. It can definitely replace what passes for meat at most fast food
> establishments, however.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
>> I know, there seems to be an inordinate amount of time and money put into
>> fake meat.   As you say, growing up on a cattle, hog and dairy farm, fake
>> meat is blasphemy.   It just isn’t the same smoking/grilling chicken thighs
>> and wrapping them in bacon when the chicken and bacon are made out of
>> “plankton”.   (I did my best to pull together the chicken thigh and Soylent
>> Green threads… 
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:32 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought they were making progress using robots to cut up the
>> carcasses.  But I just did a Google search, and there seem to be articles
>> saying the robots are coming, and other articles saying they aren’t.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe I need to try that “plant meat”.  Although that’s blasphemy, since
>> many of my customers make their living raising pigs or cows.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *David Coudron
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>>
>>
>>
>> I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the
>> product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and
>> when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them
>> feeder cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient,
>> large operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or
>> hog operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So
>> everything consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know,
>> they have been dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot
>> skip a rotation or the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the
>> large pig operations.   They have pigs that are mature and have to moved
>> out of the feed lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to
>> feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming
>> in regardless.   So next week back where I grew up, they are starting to
>> shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them.  So what is going to happen
>> is that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat
>> on the shelves because of the meat packing plant issue.   I supposed it is
>> more accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I
>> might argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing
>> is the manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing.   Meat
>> packing is a pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but
>> only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter
>> weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my
>> wager is that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t
>> already.   As you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them
>> to stay open, but things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of
>> most meat packing plants being closed.  Of course most of the issue will be
>> over-reaction like the toilet paper thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with
>> no meat in them.   But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the
>> antifreeze shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that
>> was ) these highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply
>> chains don’t deal with disruption very well.  Not really anyone’s fault,
>> but tough to see.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> *David Coudron*
>>
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  *Mobile: *612-991-7474
>>
>>
>>
>> *Advantenon, Inc.  *
>>
>> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
>> 55447
>> 
>>  |

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

No, that statement actually says the word without need to infer. Integrates

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> You stated:
> “as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
> including government thats 100% true”
>
> That Statement infers a large house.
>
> Where’s the line in the sand?
>
> If my social media platform integrates into some facets of society, but
> not all, including some government, but not all, is that ok?
>
> Just curious
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> who said anything about the size of the house
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it with
>>> my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone
>>> else’s house.
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
>>> whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
 including government thats 100% true

 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions
> free speech on their platform.
>
> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to
> hang out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I
> should be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut 
> up
> etc.
>
> now replace house with “social media platform”
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
>> comply with the narrative
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>>> tweet.
>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>>
>>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>
>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steven Kenney
>>> Network Operations Manager
>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"chuck" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>
>>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they
>>> wanted you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all
>>> private corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of
 free speech protects the government from stifling speech...private 
 citizens
 and corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.

 Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
 constitution says.

 YMMV

 -Sean


 On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the 
> time
> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, 
> but the
> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to 
> adhering to
> lent now.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
>> process that resulted in that was?
>>
>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google
>> took it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to 
>> cover
>> it up as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>
>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing
>>> with the "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> If

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout
the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through
Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.

I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those
present it also present statistics

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the
> number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20
> years (1955-1975).
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> [image: image]
>
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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-28 Thread Jason McKemie

Fake meat and lab grown meat are probably the future.  Lab grown meat
specifically is cleaner, uses less space, scales better, and is infinitely
more humane than the way we're doing mass meat production now. I don't
think anyone is arguing that it can replace a good, small/local farm raised
steak. It can definitely replace what passes for meat at most fast food
establishments, however.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, David Coudron 
wrote:

> I know, there seems to be an inordinate amount of time and money put into
> fake meat.   As you say, growing up on a cattle, hog and dairy farm, fake
> meat is blasphemy.   It just isn’t the same smoking/grilling chicken thighs
> and wrapping them in bacon when the chicken and bacon are made out of
> “plankton”.   (I did my best to pull together the chicken thigh and Soylent
> Green threads… 
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:32 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> I thought they were making progress using robots to cut up the carcasses.
> But I just did a Google search, and there seem to be articles saying the
> robots are coming, and other articles saying they aren’t.
>
>
>
> Maybe I need to try that “plant meat”.  Although that’s blasphemy, since
> many of my customers make their living raising pigs or cows.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *David Coudron
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the
> product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and
> when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them
> feeder cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient,
> large operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or
> hog operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So
> everything consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know,
> they have been dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot
> skip a rotation or the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the
> large pig operations.   They have pigs that are mature and have to moved
> out of the feed lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to
> feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming
> in regardless.   So next week back where I grew up, they are starting to
> shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them.  So what is going to happen
> is that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat
> on the shelves because of the meat packing plant issue.   I supposed it is
> more accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I
> might argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing
> is the manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing.   Meat
> packing is a pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but
> only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter
> weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.
>
>
>
> I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my
> wager is that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t
> already.   As you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them
> to stay open, but things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of
> most meat packing plants being closed.  Of course most of the issue will be
> over-reaction like the toilet paper thing.
>
>
>
> Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no
> meat in them.   But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the
> antifreeze shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that
> was ) these highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply
> chains don’t deal with disruption very well.  Not really anyone’s fault,
> but tough to see.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> *David Coudron*
>
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  *Mobile: *612-991-7474
>
>
>
> *Advantenon, Inc.  *
>
> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
> 55447
> 
>  |  www.advantenon.com  |  *Phone:* 800-704-4720  |  *Local: *
> 612-454-1545
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I
> see this:
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-
> processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq
>
>
>
> I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out.
>
>
>
> Also the article quotes him as

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?


  
  
Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of
  months the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over
  the course of 20 years (1955-1975).




bp



On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  

  
  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

You stated:
“as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
including government thats 100% true”

That Statement infers a large house.

Where’s the line in the sand?

If my social media platform integrates into some facets of society, but not
all, including some government, but not all, is that ok?

Just curious

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> who said anything about the size of the house
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it with
>> my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone
>> else’s house.
>>
>>
>> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
>> whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
>>> including government thats 100% true
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
 speech on their platform.

 Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to
 hang out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I
 should be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up
 etc.

 now replace house with “social media platform”

 -Sean


 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
> comply with the narrative
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>> tweet.
>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>
>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"chuck" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they
>> wanted you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all
>> private corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens 
>>> and
>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>
>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>> constitution says.
>>>
>>> YMMV
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
 stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
 with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, 
 but the
 fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering 
 to
 lent now.

 On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
> process that resulted in that was?
>
> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google
> took it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to 
> cover
> it up as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing
>> with the "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>
>>
>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to 
>> me.
>>
>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA
>>> treated like science

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

who said anything about the size of the house

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it with
> my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone
> else’s house.
>
>
> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
> whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
>> including government thats 100% true
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
>>> speech on their platform.
>>>
>>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to hang
>>> out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I should
>>> be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up etc.
>>>
>>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
 comply with the narrative

 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:

> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
> tweet.
> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"chuck" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
> you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all
> private corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens 
>> and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
>>> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
>>> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but 
>>> the
>>> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering 
>>> to
>>> lent now.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
 Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
 process that resulted in that was?

 On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took
 it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover 
 it up
 as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.

 On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with
> the "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>
>
> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to 
> me.
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA
>> treated like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in 
>> Medicine
>> is just about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>
>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1
>> million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of 
>> the
>> iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 
>> 50-80
>> million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but I

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it with my
money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone else’s
house.


In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.

Sean



On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
> including government thats 100% true
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
>> speech on their platform.
>>
>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to hang
>> out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I should
>> be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up etc.
>>
>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
>>> with the narrative
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>>
 Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
 tweet.
 How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?

 *From:* Steven Kenney
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 I sense overwhelming sarcasm.

 --
 Steven Kenney
 Network Operations Manager
 WaveDirect Telecommunications
 http://www.wavedirect.net
 (519)737-WAVE (9283)

 --
 *From: *"chuck" 
 *To: *"af" 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
 you to hear.  Things are much better now.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

 It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
 corporations though, especially in situations like this.

 On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>
> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
> constitution says.
>
> YMMV
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
>> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
>> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but 
>> the
>> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to
>> lent now.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
>>> process that resulted in that was?
>>>
>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took
>>> it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover 
>>> it up
>>> as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
 It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with
 the "numbers" is totally fictitious...


 On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
 refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to 
 me.

 On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA
> treated like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in 
> Medicine
> is just about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>
> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1
> million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of 
> the
> iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 
> 50-80
> million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would
> believe something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just
> speculation.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> What are the

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
including government thats 100% true

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
> speech on their platform.
>
> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to hang
> out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I should
> be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up etc.
>
> now replace house with “social media platform”
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
>> with the narrative
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>>> tweet.
>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>>
>>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>
>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steven Kenney
>>> Network Operations Manager
>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"chuck" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>
>>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
>>> you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
>>> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
 speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
 corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.

 Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
 constitution says.

 YMMV

 -Sean


 On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but 
> the
> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to
> lent now.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
>> process that resulted in that was?
>>
>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took
>> it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it 
>> up
>> as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>
>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with
>>> the "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
 Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
 like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
 just
 about dead, put another nail in the coffin..

 On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

 Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1
 million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of 
 the
 iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80
 million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would
 believe something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just
 speculation.



 bp
 


 On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be
 optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they
 mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 
 70-80% of
 the people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook 
 therapy for
 respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
 ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they 
 are
 just a measure to get you

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

see, no threat

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:41 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Video of Steve waiting for a bus...
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81w
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:33 PM  wrote:
>
>> Titty and sock money yum...
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:47 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/26/bronx-liquor-store-window-sign-covid-19-too-real-stfu-cough-die/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and
>> sneeze... just think of all those droplets going everywhere...
>>
>>
>>
>> Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
>> sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of
>> breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> You got something against people with allergies?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
>>
>> Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
>> the first im starting cookouts again
>>
>> anybody sneezes, they get shot
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
>> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
>> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
>> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
>> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
>> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
>> lifted.
>>
>>
>>
>> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
>> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
>> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
>> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
>> plannning issue at this point.
>>
>>
>>
>> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>>
>> sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
>> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
>> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
>> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
>> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
>> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
>> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
>> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
>> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
>> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
>> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
>> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
>> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
>> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
>> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
>> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
>> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
>> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>> That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
>> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
>> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
>> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
>> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within
>> a couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
>> COVID-19 and been sent home

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Still people doing tricky parts.  That bandsaw blade stop was pretty cool.
If they can continue to improve on this, consider a totally lights out 
operation.  
Pregnant sows enter one end, 18 wheelers back up to the other end.  
Give it food, water and electricity.  A bacon factory.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:06 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdq1uBCI2Kw

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 7:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

That’s gotta be more difficult that autonomous driving.  Every carcass is 
different and you have to feel the knife guide your way through the meat.  Just 
fixturing the carcass would be difficult.  

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:31 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I thought they were making progress using robots to cut up the carcasses.  But 
I just did a Google search, and there seem to be articles saying the robots are 
coming, and other articles saying they aren’t.

Maybe I need to try that “plant meat”.  Although that’s blasphemy, since many 
of my customers make their living raising pigs or cows.

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and 
when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large 
operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog 
operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So everything 
consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know, they have been 
dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or 
the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the large pig operations.   
They have pigs that are mature and have to moved out of the feed 
lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to feed them, and the 
need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming in regardless.   So next 
week back where I grew up, they are starting to shoot the pigs, and they’ll 
have to bury them.  So what is going to happen is that we will be killing pigs 
and burying them, but there will be no meat on the shelves because of the meat 
packing plant issue.   I supposed it is more accurately called manufacturing 
rather than distribution, however, I might argue feed and water are the raw 
materials and the growing/finishing is the manufacturing, it is the long pole 
in the tent for timing.   Meat packing is a pretty short time period and it is 
probably manufacturing, but only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to 
grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.  

I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already.   As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 
things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most meat packing 
plants being closed.  Of course most of the issue will be over-reaction like 
the toilet paper thing.   

Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no meat 
in them.   But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the antifreeze 
shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that was ) these 
highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply chains don’t deal with 
disruption very well.  Not really anyone’s fault, but tough to see.

Regards,  

David Coudron

david.coud...@advantenon.com |  Mobile: 612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.   

i...@advantenon.com |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 |  
www.advantenon.com |  Phone: 800-704-4720 |  Local: 612-454-1545 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I see 
this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq

I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out.

Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a 
distribution problem.  I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he was 
talking about milk or green beans or potatoes.  Because I would not refer to a 
slaughterhouse as “distribution”.

On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City on KTSM Facebook Live Thursday at 7:00 MST

2020-04-28 Thread Jaime Solorza

I will

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:07 PM  wrote:

> Please send out reminders.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City on KTSM Facebook Live Thursday at
> 7:00 MST
>
>
> https://facebook.com/events/s/ktsm-live-from-your-living-roo/250703999460847/?ti=cl
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 3:17 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> City nixed our live performance so we came up with something else ..all
>> the other groups did it as well last three weeks...
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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdq1uBCI2Kw

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 7:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

That’s gotta be more difficult that autonomous driving.  Every carcass is 
different and you have to feel the knife guide your way through the meat.  Just 
fixturing the carcass would be difficult.  

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:31 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I thought they were making progress using robots to cut up the carcasses.  But 
I just did a Google search, and there seem to be articles saying the robots are 
coming, and other articles saying they aren’t.

Maybe I need to try that “plant meat”.  Although that’s blasphemy, since many 
of my customers make their living raising pigs or cows.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and 
when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large 
operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog 
operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So everything 
consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know, they have been 
dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or 
the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the large pig operations.   
They have pigs that are mature and have to moved out of the feed 
lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to feed them, and the 
need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming in regardless.   So next 
week back where I grew up, they are starting to shoot the pigs, and they’ll 
have to bury them.  So what is going to happen is that we will be killing pigs 
and burying them, but there will be no meat on the shelves because of the meat 
packing plant issue.   I supposed it is more accurately called manufacturing 
rather than distribution, however, I might argue feed and water are the raw 
materials and the growing/finishing is the manufacturing, it is the long pole 
in the tent for timing.   Meat packing is a pretty short time period and it is 
probably manufacturing, but only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to 
grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.  

I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already.   As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 
things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most meat packing 
plants being closed.  Of course most of the issue will be over-reaction like 
the toilet paper thing.   

Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no meat 
in them.   But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the antifreeze 
shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that was ) these 
highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply chains don’t deal with 
disruption very well.  Not really anyone’s fault, but tough to see.

Regards,  

David Coudron

david.coud...@advantenon.com   |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.   

i...@advantenon.com   |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 |    
www.advantenon.com |  Phone: 800-704-4720 |  Local: 612-454-1545 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I see 
this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq

I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out.

Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a 
distribution problem.  I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he was 
talking about milk or green beans or potatoes.  Because I would not refer to a 
slaughterhouse as “distribution”.

On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting down because gas 
sales are down, why can I still not buy Purell?  We should be swimming in 
ethanol.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:11 PM

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Just issue an executive order telling the USDA to pull back all inspectors and 
let them do whatever they want.  I am sure meat production will increase...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 4:46 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I see 
this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq

I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out.

Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a 
distribution problem.  I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he was 
talking about milk or green beans or potatoes.  Because I would not refer to a 
slaughterhouse as “distribution”.

On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting down because gas 
sales are down, why can I still not buy Purell?  We should be swimming in 
ethanol.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

"long pig" is different than ordinary pig... 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:26 PM James Howard  wrote:

  Since when have pigs not been people?

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about why 
there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t hear 
about lots of deaths.

  Chuck is safe, though.  His Vienna Sausages are new old stock.  Made the old 
fashioned way, from snouts and feet and tails and everything but the squeal.  
But at least they’re not people!

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source of the 
"beef". but then again, he also drank booze that was made in a pit in the 
ground that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So im pretty 
sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue 

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what they do to 
dogs/cats/animals.  I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything.  Used to 
think it was cliche or just a joke about over there.  Its not.  

-- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

From: "James Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch box?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

I don't think they keep cats as pets..

-- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

From: "Bill Prince" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

and Facebook will publish a thousand variations.

bp On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  google will remove this truth from the internet

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Yes!

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

That’s gotta be more difficult that autonomous driving.  Every carcass is 
different and you have to feel the knife guide your way through the meat.  Just 
fixturing the carcass would be difficult.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I thought they were making progress using robots to cut up the carcasses.  But 
I just did a Google search, and there seem to be articles saying the robots are 
coming, and other articles saying they aren’t.

Maybe I need to try that “plant meat”.  Although that’s blasphemy, since many 
of my customers make their living raising pigs or cows.

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and 
when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large 
operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog 
operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So everything 
consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know, they have been 
dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or 
the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the large pig operations.   
They have pigs that are mature and have to moved out of the feed 
lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to feed them, and the 
need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming in regardless.   So next 
week back where I grew up, they are starting to shoot the pigs, and they’ll 
have to bury them.  So what is going to happen is that we will be killing pigs 
and burying them, but there will be no meat on the shelves because of the meat 
packing plant issue.   I supposed it is more accurately called manufacturing 
rather than distribution, however, I might argue feed and water are the raw 
materials and the growing/finishing is the manufacturing, it is the long pole 
in the tent for timing.   Meat packing is a pretty short time period and it is 
probably manufacturing, but only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to 
grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.  

I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already.   As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 
things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most meat packing 
plants being closed.  Of course most of the issue will be over-reaction like 
the toilet paper thing.   

Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no meat 
in them.   But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the antifreeze 
shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that was ) these 
highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply chains don’t deal with 
disruption very well.  Not really anyone’s fault, but tough to see.

Regards,  

David Coudron

david.coud...@advantenon.com |  Mobile: 612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.   

i...@advantenon.com |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 |  
www.advantenon.com |  Phone: 800-704-4720 |  Local: 612-454-1545 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I see 
this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq

I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out.

Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a 
distribution problem.  I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he was 
talking about milk or green beans or potatoes.  Because I would not refer to a 
slaughterhouse as “distribution”.

On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting down because gas 
sales are down, why can I still not buy Purell?  We should be swimming in 
ethanol.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

"long pig" is different than ordinary pig... 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:26 PM James Howard  wrote:

  Since when have pigs not been people?

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  I’m waiting for someone to

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
speech on their platform.

Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to hang
out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I should
be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up etc.

now replace house with “social media platform”

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
> with the narrative
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>
>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>
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>> *From: *"chuck" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
>> you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
>> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>
>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>> constitution says.
>>>
>>> YMMV
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
 stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
 with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the
 fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to
 lent now.

 On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
> process that resulted in that was?
>
> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up 
> as
> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with
>> the "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>
>>
>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>
>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
>>> just
>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>
>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1
>>> million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the
>>> iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80
>>> million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would
>>> believe something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just
>>> speculation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be
>>> optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they
>>> mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 
>>> 70-80% of
>>> the people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy 
>>> for
>>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they 
>>> are
>>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
>>> treat it, but I haven’t

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-28 Thread David Coudron

I know, there seems to be an inordinate amount of time and money put into fake 
meat.   As you say, growing up on a cattle, hog and dairy farm, fake meat is 
blasphemy.   It just isn’t the same smoking/grilling chicken thighs and 
wrapping them in bacon when the chicken and bacon are made out of “plankton”.   
(I did my best to pull together the chicken thigh and Soylent Green threads… 

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:32 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I thought they were making progress using robots to cut up the carcasses.  But 
I just did a Google search, and there seem to be articles saying the robots are 
coming, and other articles saying they aren’t.

Maybe I need to try that “plant meat”.  Although that’s blasphemy, since many 
of my customers make their living raising pigs or cows.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and 
when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large 
operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog 
operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So everything 
consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know, they have been 
dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or 
the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the large pig operations.   
They have pigs that are mature and have to moved out of the feed 
lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to feed them, and the 
need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming in regardless.   So next 
week back where I grew up, they are starting to shoot the pigs, and they’ll 
have to bury them.  So what is going to happen is that we will be killing pigs 
and burying them, but there will be no meat on the shelves because of the meat 
packing plant issue.   I supposed it is more accurately called manufacturing 
rather than distribution, however, I might argue feed and water are the raw 
materials and the growing/finishing is the manufacturing, it is the long pole 
in the tent for timing.   Meat packing is a pretty short time period and it is 
probably manufacturing, but only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to 
grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.

I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already.   As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 
things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most meat packing 
plants being closed.  Of course most of the issue will be over-reaction like 
the toilet paper thing.

Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no meat 
in them.   But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the antifreeze 
shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that was ) these 
highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply chains don’t deal with 
disruption very well.  Not really anyone’s fault, but tough to see.

Regards,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  
Local: 612-454-1545

[cid:image001.jpg@01D61D8C.02027230]

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I see 
this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq

I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out.

Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a 
distribution problem.  I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he was 
talking about milk or green beans or potatoes.  Because I would not refer to a 
slaughterhouse as “distribution”.

On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting down because gas 
sales are down, why can I still not buy Purell?  We should be swimming in 
ethanol.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store.  They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed.

 

I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was slow 
going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 1/2 
of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are loving 
the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in.

 

 

But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "David Coudron" mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and 
when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large 
operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog 
operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So everything 
consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know, they have been 
dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or 
the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the large pig operations.   
They have pigs that are mature and have to moved out of the feed 
lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to feed them, and the 
need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming in regardless.   So next 
week back where I grew up, they are starting to shoot the pigs, and they’ll 
have to bury them.  So what is going to happen is that we will be killing pigs 
and burying them, but there will be no meat on the shelves because of the meat 
packing plant issue.   I supposed it is more accurately called manufacturing 
rather than distribution, however, I might argue feed and water are the raw 
materials and the growing/finishing is the manufacturing, it is the long pole 
in the tent for timing.   Meat packing is a pretty short time period and it is 
probably manufacturing, but only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to 
grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.  

 

I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already.   As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 
things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most meat packing 
plants being closed.  Of course most of the issue will be over-reaction like 
the toilet paper thing.   

 

Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no meat 
in them.   But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the antifreeze 
shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that was ) these 
highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply chains don’t deal with 
disruption very well.  Not really anyone’s fault, but tough to see.

 

Regards,  

 

David Coudron

  david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

 

Advantenon, Inc.

  i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |    
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 

 



 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I see 
this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq

 

I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out.

 

Also the article quotes

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I thought they were making progress using robots to cut up the carcasses.  But 
I just did a Google search, and there seem to be articles saying the robots are 
coming, and other articles saying they aren’t.

 

Maybe I need to try that “plant meat”.  Although that’s blasphemy, since many 
of my customers make their living raising pigs or cows.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and 
when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large 
operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog 
operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So everything 
consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know, they have been 
dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or 
the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the large pig operations.   
They have pigs that are mature and have to moved out of the feed 
lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to feed them, and the 
need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming in regardless.   So next 
week back where I grew up, they are starting to shoot the pigs, and they’ll 
have to bury them.  So what is going to happen is that we will be killing pigs 
and burying them, but there will be no meat on the shelves because of the meat 
packing plant issue.   I supposed it is more accurately called manufacturing 
rather than distribution, however, I might argue feed and water are the raw 
materials and the growing/finishing is the manufacturing, it is the long pole 
in the tent for timing.   Meat packing is a pretty short time period and it is 
probably manufacturing, but only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to 
grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.  

 

I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already.   As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 
things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most meat packing 
plants being closed.  Of course most of the issue will be over-reaction like 
the toilet paper thing.   

 

Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no meat 
in them.   But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the antifreeze 
shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that was ) these 
highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply chains don’t deal with 
disruption very well.  Not really anyone’s fault, but tough to see.

 

Regards,  

 

David Coudron

  david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

 

Advantenon, Inc.

  i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |    
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 

 



 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I see 
this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq

 

I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out.

 

Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a 
distribution problem.  I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he was 
talking about milk or green beans or potatoes.  Because I would not refer to a 
slaughterhouse as “distribution”.

 

On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting down because gas 
sales are down, why can I still not buy Purell?  We should be swimming in 
ethanol.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

"long pig" is different than ordinary pig... 

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:26 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

Since when have pigs not been people?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about why 
there

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-28 Thread Mike Hammett

Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was slow 
going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 1/2 
of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are loving 
the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in. 




But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "David Coudron"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 



I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute. I grew up as a farm kid and when 
we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy. Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large operations. 
Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog operation, and it is 
way too much work for what you can make. So everything consolidated into large, 
efficient operations. As many know, they have been dumping milk because they 
have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or the cows get infections 
(mastitis). Same with the large pig operations. They have pigs that are mature 
and have to moved out of the feed lots/buildings. This is due to the cost of 
continuing to feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that 
are coming in regardless. So next week back where I grew up, they are starting 
to shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them. So what is going to happen is 
that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat on the 
shelves because of the meat packing plant issue. I supposed it is more 
accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I might 
argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing is the 
manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing. Meat packing is a 
pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but only the tail 
end of it. It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days 
to get it to your table. 

I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already. As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 
things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most meat packing 
plants being closed. Of course most of the issue will be over-reaction like the 
toilet paper thing. 

Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no meat 
in them. But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the antifreeze shortage 
15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that was  ) these highly 
consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply chains don’t deal with 
disruption very well. Not really anyone’s fault, but tough to see. 

Regards, 


David Coudron 
david.coud...@advantenon.com | Mobile: 612-991-7474 

Advantenon, Inc. 
i...@advantenon.com | 3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 | 
www.advantenon.com | Phone: 800-704-4720 | Local: 612-454-1545 





From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 

So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I see 
this: 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq
 

I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out. 

Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a 
distribution problem. I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he was 
talking about milk or green beans or potatoes. Because I would not refer to a 
slaughterhouse as “distribution”. 

On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting down because gas 
sales are down, why can I still not buy Purell? We should be swimming in 
ethanol. 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:11 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 


"long pig" is different than ordinary pig... 



On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:26 PM James Howard < ja...@litewire.net > wrote: 




Since when have pigs not been people? 



From: AF [mailto: af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 

I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about why 
there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t hear 
about lots of deaths. 

Chuck is safe, though. His

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-28 Thread David Coudron

I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and 
when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large 
operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog 
operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So everything 
consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know, they have been 
dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or 
the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the large pig operations.   
They have pigs that are mature and have to moved out of the feed 
lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to feed them, and the 
need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming in regardless.   So next 
week back where I grew up, they are starting to shoot the pigs, and they’ll 
have to bury them.  So what is going to happen is that we will be killing pigs 
and burying them, but there will be no meat on the shelves because of the meat 
packing plant issue.   I supposed it is more accurately called manufacturing 
rather than distribution, however, I might argue feed and water are the raw 
materials and the growing/finishing is the manufacturing, it is the long pole 
in the tent for timing.   Meat packing is a pretty short time period and it is 
probably manufacturing, but only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to 
grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.

I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already.   As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 
things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most meat packing 
plants being closed.  Of course most of the issue will be over-reaction like 
the toilet paper thing.

Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no meat 
in them.   But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the antifreeze 
shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that was ) these 
highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply chains don’t deal with 
disruption very well.  Not really anyone’s fault, but tough to see.

Regards,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  
Local: 612-454-1545

[cid:image001.jpg@01D61D86.C95125D0]

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I see 
this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq

I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out.

Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a 
distribution problem.  I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he was 
talking about milk or green beans or potatoes.  Because I would not refer to a 
slaughterhouse as “distribution”.

On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting down because gas 
sales are down, why can I still not buy Purell?  We should be swimming in 
ethanol.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

"long pig" is different than ordinary pig...

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:26 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Since when have pigs not been people?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about why 
there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t hear 
about lots of deaths.

Chuck is safe, though.  His Vienna Sausages are new old stock.  Made the old 
fashioned way, from snouts and feet and tails and everything but the squeal.  
But at least they’re not people!

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source of the 
"beef". but then again, he also drank

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I see 
this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq

 

I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out.

 

Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a 
distribution problem.  I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he was 
talking about milk or green beans or potatoes.  Because I would not refer to a 
slaughterhouse as “distribution”.

 

On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting down because gas 
sales are down, why can I still not buy Purell?  We should be swimming in 
ethanol.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

"long pig" is different than ordinary pig... 

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:26 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

Since when have pigs not been people?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about why 
there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t hear 
about lots of deaths.

 

Chuck is safe, though.  His Vienna Sausages are new old stock.  Made the old 
fashioned way, from snouts and feet and tails and everything but the squeal.  
But at least they’re not people!

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source of the 
"beef". but then again, he also drank booze that was made in a pit in the 
ground that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So im pretty 
sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue 

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote:

I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what they do to 
dogs/cats/animals.  I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything.  Used to 
think it was cliche or just a joke about over there.  Its not.  

 

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(519)737-WAVE (9283)

 


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To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch box?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM
To: af mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

I don't think they keep cats as pets..

 

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

and Facebook will publish a thousand variations.

bp

 

On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

google will remove this truth from the internet

 

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Yes!

 

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When I was a kid there was a movie making the rounds the supposed showed 
cannibals eating long pig.
My parents took me to it at the drive in.  There was a human size looking 
ribcage on the fire.  Not sure why my parents thought I needed to see that but 
I was plenty enthused to watch it.  I guess my first exposure to snuff porn.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 4:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

"long pig" is different than ordinary pig... 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:26 PM James Howard  wrote:

  Since when have pigs not been people?

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about why 
there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t hear 
about lots of deaths.

  Chuck is safe, though.  His Vienna Sausages are new old stock.  Made the old 
fashioned way, from snouts and feet and tails and everything but the squeal.  
But at least they’re not people!

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source of the 
"beef". but then again, he also drank booze that was made in a pit in the 
ground that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So im pretty 
sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue 

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what they do to 
dogs/cats/animals.  I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything.  Used to 
think it was cliche or just a joke about over there.  Its not.  

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(519)737-WAVE (9283)

From: "James Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch box?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

I don't think they keep cats as pets..

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(519)737-WAVE (9283)

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and Facebook will publish a thousand variations.

bp On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  google will remove this truth from the internet

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Yes!

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2020-04-28 Thread Mathew Howard

"long pig" is different than ordinary pig...

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:26 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Since when have pigs not been people?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about
> why there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t
> hear about lots of deaths.
>
>
>
> Chuck is safe, though.  His Vienna Sausages are new old stock.  Made the
> old fashioned way, from snouts and feet and tails and everything but the
> squeal.  But at least they’re not people!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source of
> the "beef". but then again, he also drank booze that was made in a pit in
> the ground that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So im
> pretty sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven Kenney 
> wrote:
>
> I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what they do
> to dogs/cats/animals.  I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything.
> Used to think it was cliche or just a joke about over there.  Its not.
>
>
>
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>
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> *From: *"James Howard" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch box?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> I don't think they keep cats as pets..
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
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> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59:59 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan
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>
>
> and Facebook will publish a thousand variations.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> google will remove this truth from the internet
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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> Yes!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
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> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
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4 legs good, 2 legs bad

From: James Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:25 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Since when have pigs not been people?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about why 
there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t hear 
about lots of deaths.

Chuck is safe, though.  His Vienna Sausages are new old stock.  Made the old 
fashioned way, from snouts and feet and tails and everything but the squeal.  
But at least they’re not people!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source of the 
"beef". but then again, he also drank booze that was made in a pit in the 
ground that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So im pretty 
sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

  I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what they do to 
dogs/cats/animals.  I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything.  Used to 
think it was cliche or just a joke about over there.  Its not.  

  -- 
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  So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch box?

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

  I don't think they keep cats as pets..

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  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

  and Facebook will publish a thousand variations.

bp On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

google will remove this truth from the internet

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Yes!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City on KTSM Facebook Live Thursday at 7:00 MST

Please send out reminders. 

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:17 PM
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https://facebook.com/events/s/ktsm-live-from-your-living-roo/250703999460847/?ti=cl

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  City nixed our live performance so we came up with something else ..all the 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-28 Thread Jay Weekley

I think they are less than 6 feet apart.

can...@believewireless.net wrote:

Video of Steve waiting for a bus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81w

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:33 PM wrote:

Titty and sock money yum...

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:47 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/26/bronx-liquor-store-window-sign-covid-19-too-real-stfu-cough-die/

*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and
sneeze... just think of all those droplets going everywhere...

Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones
wrote:

nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin. shortness of
breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard wrote:

You got something against people with allergies?

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I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing

Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
the first im starting cookouts again

anybody sneezes, they get shot

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard wrote:

That’s a bunch of baloney. They are using the claim that we are about to
become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things. They claimed
we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
people will die because they can’t get healthcare”. They are laying-off
pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
there aren’t any patients. Every medical system in our state has done
this.

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
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they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
lifted.

yes our social distancing has been working great! it's about to not be
working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
again they will issue new orders to stay at home. it's a network capacity
plannning issue at this point.

open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!

sean

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard wrote:

People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
spots. Why? If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots? People keep
saying that and they’re saying it about our area too. The thing is though
that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US. 2 of
those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
Wisconsin. The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
experience) and wrote an article about her experience. The thing to point
out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
precautions were being taken even by medical personnel. She went in to the
ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
ambulance back to the ER. At least two different ambulance crews in
addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
all exposed to her multiple times. Despite this, as of yesterday the
reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th. I’m not disputing that this is
contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
greater risk than others. I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?

Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a
couple hours of each other in the hospital. Both had tested positive for
COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine. He then fell and hit his head
so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there. The story
said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”. He was 94 and
she was 93.

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*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-28 Thread can...@believewireless.net

Video of Steve waiting for a bus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81w

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:33 PM  wrote:

> Titty and sock money yum...
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:47 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
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> https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/26/bronx-liquor-store-window-sign-covid-19-too-real-stfu-cough-die/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and
> sneeze... just think of all those droplets going everywhere...
>
>
>
> Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
> sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of
> breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> You got something against people with allergies?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
>
> Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
> the first im starting cookouts again
>
> anybody sneezes, they get shot
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
> this.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
> lifted.
>
>
>
> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
> plannning issue at this point.
>
>
>
> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>
> sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
> That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>
>
>
> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a
> couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
> she was 93.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Since when have pigs not been people?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about why 
there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t hear 
about lots of deaths.

Chuck is safe, though.  His Vienna Sausages are new old stock.  Made the old 
fashioned way, from snouts and feet and tails and everything but the squeal.  
But at least they’re not people!

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source of the 
"beef". but then again, he also drank booze that was made in a pit in the 
ground that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So im pretty 
sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what they do to 
dogs/cats/animals.  I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything.  Used to 
think it was cliche or just a joke about over there.  Its not.

--
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Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch box?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM
To: af mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

I don't think they keep cats as pets..

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(519)737-WAVE (9283)

From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

and Facebook will publish a thousand variations.

bp

On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
google will remove this truth from the internet

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Yes!

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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:53 AM
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City on KTSM Facebook Live Thursday at 7:00 MST

2020-04-28 Thread Jaime Solorza

https://facebook.com/events/s/ktsm-live-from-your-living-roo/250703999460847/?ti=cl

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> City nixed our live performance so we came up with something else ..all
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2020-04-28 Thread Jaime Solorza

City nixed our live performance so we came up with something else ..all the
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[AFMUG] School public wifi

There needs to be a law

schools should not manage their own wireless network. we spent a good deal
of time with one district getting them set up for COVID response. I reached
out to all the other districts too.

Im seeing so much garbage in the air. one location has APs running all over
5.1/8 Its like, come on man, I know what the take rate on the COVID
hotspots is and I know your district population. You do not need this many
access points overlapping every single channel.

Im going to have to drive by and see what they did. I had to deal with
finding a clear enough channel to get my colocated backhaul up so i forgot
to collect the macs and identify the hardware vendor, but there has to be
25 radios/virtual radios live with the district ESSIDs in that town of 600.
But im envisioning showing up and finding 100 linksys routers in the
schools windows.

We did ours clean, with care given to not impact others where possible.

Having to poke and hope a clean channel, I probably am going to get a dead
horsehead in my bed from a neighbor WISP now. FCC just needs to say only
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Titty and sock money yum...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/26/bronx-liquor-store-window-sign-covid-19-too-real-stfu-cough-die/

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and sneeze... 
just think of all those droplets going everywhere...

Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot, 
sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of 
breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say. 

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:

You got something against people with allergies?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing

Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after 
the first im starting cookouts again

anybody sneezes, they get shot

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:

  That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to 
become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed we 
had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more people 
will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off pretty much 
every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because there aren’t any 
patients.  Every medical system in our state has done this. 

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being 
lifted.

  yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be 
working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough restrictions 
to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up again they will 
issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity plannning issue at 
this point.

  open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!

  sean

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:

People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or 
hot spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social 
distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep 
saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though that 
Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.  
Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of those 
were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in Wisconsin.  The 
Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing experience) and wrote an 
article about her experience.  The thing to point out is that this was before 
any social distancing or basically any precautions were being taken even by 
medical personnel.  She went in to the ER when she started getting sick (which 
was btw 2 days after she returned from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in 
Amsterdam) and was sent home.  Over the course of her illness she called 911 
TWICE and was transported by ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different 
ambulance crews in addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER 
personnel were all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of 
yesterday the reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the 
entire state.   That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that 
this is contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at 
much greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says 
that a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT 
PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?

Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died 
within a couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive 
for COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head 
so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story said 
that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and she was 93.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
To:

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan


  
  
That you know of...


bp



On 4/28/2020 12:56 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent
  Green conspiracy theory about why there are thousands of
  infections at meat packing plants but we don’t hear about lots
  of deaths.
 
Chuck is safe, though.  His Vienna Sausages
  are new old stock.  Made the old fashioned way, from snouts
  and feet and tails and everything but the squeal.  But at
  least they’re not people!
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

  when my dad was in korea during vietnam,
he didnt question the source of the "beef". but then again,
he also drank booze that was made in a pit in the ground
that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So
im pretty sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue 

 

  
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven
  Kenney 
  wrote:
  
  

  

  I've
  seen some things in China that would scar you for
  life what they do to dogs/cats/animals.  I guess
  when you are hungry you'll do anything.  Used to
  think it was cliche or just a joke about over
  there.  Its not.  


   


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  WaveDirect Telecommunications
  http://www.wavedirect.net
  (519)737-WAVE (9283)


   




  From:
  "James
  Howard" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened
  in Wuhan


   


  
So you’re saying the cat
should have been pictured sitting in a lunch
box?
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53
AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really
Happened in Wuhan
  

 

  
I
don't think they keep cats as pets..
  
  
 
  
  
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From:
"Bill
Prince" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020
10:59:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really
Happened in Wuhan
  
  
 
  
  
and
Facebook will publish a thousand variations.
bp

 

  On
  4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory about why 
there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t hear 
about lots of deaths.

 

Chuck is safe, though.  His Vienna Sausages are new old stock.  Made the old 
fashioned way, from snouts and feet and tails and everything but the squeal.  
But at least they’re not people!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source of the 
"beef". but then again, he also drank booze that was made in a pit in the 
ground that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So im pretty 
sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue 

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote:

I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what they do to 
dogs/cats/animals.  I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything.  Used to 
think it was cliche or just a joke about over there.  Its not.  

 

-- 
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Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

 


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From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net> >
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch box?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM
To: af mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

I don't think they keep cats as pets..

 

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To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

and Facebook will publish a thousand variations.

bp

 

On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

google will remove this truth from the internet

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Yes!

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:53 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/26/bronx-liquor-store-window-sign-covid-19-too-real-stfu-cough-die/

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and sneeze... 
just think of all those droplets going everywhere...

Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot, 
sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of 
breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say. 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

You got something against people with allergies?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing

Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after the 
first im starting cookouts again

anybody sneezes, they get shot

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to 
become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed we 
had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more people 
will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off pretty much 
every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because there aren’t any 
patients.  Every medical system in our state has done this. 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being lifted.

yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be working 
great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough restrictions to not 
overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up again they will issue new 
orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity plannning issue at this point.

open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!

sean

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote:

People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot spots. 
 Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social distancing, why 
would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep saying that and 
they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though that Wisconsin and 
Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.  Worldmeters.info lists the 
first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of those were in Illinois and I 
believe the 12th case in the US was in Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered 
(she calls it a dehumanizing experience) and wrote an article about her 
experience.  The thing to point out is that this was before any social 
distancing or basically any precautions were being taken even by medical 
personnel.  She went in to the ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 
2 days after she returned from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) 
and was sent home.  Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was 
transported by ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance 
crews in addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel 
were all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the 
reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.   
That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is 
contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much 
greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that a 
“hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT PRECAUTIONS or 
social distancing in place)?

Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a 
couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for 
COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head so 
both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story said 
that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and she was 93.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Seems like people don’t die on

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

2020-04-28 Thread Mathew Howard

Really, if you're doing a link longer than 7-8 miles, you should be looking
at different radios. You're going to have a much better link with radios
with better tx power.

But that still leaves the problem that I just don't like their dishes...
and there are good reasons to use a different brand of dish instead.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:27 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> Agreed.  I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if
> unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.
>
> I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program.  They said they would
> sell the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.
>
> If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8 miles, you
> need bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish.  Right now, you have to buy
> the kit and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the 2.5’ dishes
> down the road.  Horribly wasteful.  Radiowave and KP built dishes
> specifically for the AF-11.  They are really screwed right now.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> 
> While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior products -
> something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles.
>
> On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They jacked the
> price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been non-existent since
> November/December which was the last time I was able to order stand alone
> AF11 radios. Now a rumor they will never sell them again without their
> crappy dish? Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust
> in a couple years which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost
> about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz channel you can
> get 1.4gbps full duplex and I have never seen a AF11 radio actually push
> over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as
> bad as a AF24 would on a 3-4 mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on
> out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their pricing is extremely competitive. Ken is awesome,
> always emails me back within 30 minutes with any questions I have. Hell you
> can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for 10gbps full duplex for $5200 out
> the door. Siklu's promo for $4200 link will only do 2gbps which you can't
> even get from Baltic because they are sold out.
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski  wrote:
>
>> Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so that the AF11
>> is added. So many changes, so little time...
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 From Streakwave?  They're the one's that told me this morning they were
 never going to get them.

 On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

 Streakwave was telling me that originally too, but it was during the
 change of the model number of the standalone radio.  Now that the model
 number for the stand alone radio is changed, price is a bit higher, but
 they are once again available.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke 
  wrote:

  One distributor I talked to said they were being told by UBNT that
 their Single Radio order would never be fulfilled

 On 4/27/2020 3:20 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:

 That rumor is incorrect. The AF11 radio is available as a stand-alone
 SKU.

 https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11

 Chuck

 On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Why in the world would you buy crappy radios from a crappy company
> that likes to frivolously sue its customers and distributors?  They also
> seem to like to discontinue products at the drop of a hat.
>
> Not gonna build my business model around a crappy company like that.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM Nate Burke < 
> n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> I've heard a rumor that the only way to buy an AF11 radio now is in a
>> kit with Radio+Single Diplexer+Dish.  Single radios cannot be
>> purchased.  How can you keep spares of equipment if that's the case?
>>
>> The price has gone up too.  We were getting bare radios for $585 last
>> year.  Now if you break the cost out of the Dishes and Diplexers from
>> the Kit, it's $680 for just the radio.  And places that have bare
>> radios
>> listed in their online stores (but have no stock) have a single radio
>> in
>> the $900 range.
>>
>> Is UBNT Just trying to kill the 3rd party Antenna market?  Or were
>> they
>> having problems interfacing to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-28 Thread Mathew Howard

Sneezing may not be a symptom of covid, but if you have covid and sneeze...
just think of all those droplets going everywhere...

Shooting sneezers seems pretty reasonable to me.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
> sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of
> breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> You got something against people with allergies?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
>>
>> Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
>> the first im starting cookouts again
>>
>> anybody sneezes, they get shot
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
>> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
>> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
>> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
>> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
>> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
>> lifted.
>>
>>
>>
>> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
>> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
>> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
>> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
>> plannning issue at this point.
>>
>>
>>
>> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>>
>> sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
>> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
>> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
>> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
>> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
>> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
>> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
>> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
>> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
>> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
>> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
>> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
>> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
>> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
>> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
>> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
>> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
>> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>>  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
>> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
>> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
>> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
>> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within
>> a couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
>> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
>> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
>> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
>> she was 93.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
>> until Tuesday to catchup.
>>
>>
>>
>> It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
>> seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
>> to be the hot zones now.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

punched my son in his arm yesterday. he keeps rubbing it, I ask if its a
sore muscle as i chamber a round. he claims its not sore. but i got my eye
on him

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:16 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
> sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of
> breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> You got something against people with allergies?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
>>
>> Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
>> the first im starting cookouts again
>>
>> anybody sneezes, they get shot
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
>> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
>> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
>> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
>> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
>> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
>> lifted.
>>
>>
>>
>> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
>> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
>> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
>> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
>> plannning issue at this point.
>>
>>
>>
>> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>>
>> sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
>> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
>> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
>> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
>> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
>> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
>> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
>> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
>> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
>> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
>> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
>> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
>> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
>> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
>> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
>> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
>> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
>> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>>  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
>> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
>> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
>> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
>> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within
>> a couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
>> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
>> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
>> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
>> she was 93.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
>> until Tuesday to catchup.
>>
>>
>>
>> It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
>> seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
>> to be the hot zones now.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

nope, but cant risk spread, sneezes get you shot, coughing gets you shot,
sweating could mean you just broke a fever, thats a shootin.  shortness of
breath, gets you shot. its better to be safe than sorry i say.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM James Howard  wrote:

> You got something against people with allergies?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
>
> Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
> the first im starting cookouts again
>
> anybody sneezes, they get shot
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
> this.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
> lifted.
>
>
>
> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
> plannning issue at this point.
>
>
>
> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>
> sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>
>
>
> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a
> couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
> she was 93.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
> until Tuesday to catchup.
>
>
>
> It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
> seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
> to be the hot zones now.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:47 AM  wrote:
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE


  
  
In my experience, Verizon WiFi calling gets broken from (1)
  Double NAT, and (2) fragmented packets.


bp



On 4/28/2020 11:53 AM, SmarterBroadband
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Customers
with a Verizon cell phone using WiFi calling are unable to
get calls in or out on our Telrad LTE network. Anyone else
come across this problem? Ideas? Fix?
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I think weve been duped. The herd mentality is a dangerous thing
Ive been opening up the house and inviting people to see the baby, after
the first im starting cookouts again
anybody sneezes, they get shot

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM James Howard  wrote:

> That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to
> become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed
> we had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more
> people will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off
> pretty much every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because
> there aren’t any patients.  Every medical system in our state has done
> this.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
> lifted.
>
>
>
> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
> plannning issue at this point.
>
>
>
> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
>
> sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>
>
>
> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a
> couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
> she was 93.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
> until Tuesday to catchup.
>
>
>
> It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
> seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
> to be the hot zones now.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:47 AM  wrote:
>
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[AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE

2020-04-28 Thread SmarterBroadband

Customers with a Verizon cell phone using WiFi calling are unable to get
calls in or out on our Telrad LTE network. Anyone else come across this
problem? Ideas? Fix?

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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

But they used to give us lots of neat free stuff at the shows!

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

I find it interesting that somehow we keep trying the latest Ubiquiti product 
because it's all shiny and then get screwed by it shortly afterward.  Following 
that, we try the latest shiny Ubiquiti product and then get screwed by it after 
a short time.  GOTO 10

I know one person at Ubiquiti now and he's a great guy, but he has absolutely 
no pull in the company.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:10 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
and they like to file frivolous lawsuits against their customers and 
distributors...just sayin'

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:28 AM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes my buttons about 
this thread... I guess I still have lingering feelings about supporting the 
underdog.

Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the underdog because 
they have now become like everyone else.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many of the Kits in stock, 
and now they're trying to get them sold off before they start offering 
piecemeal parts again.

Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when they thought of the Kit 
idea, and it was met with enthusiastic nods around the conference table, after 
seeing all the glossy charts with arrows pointing up, and giant dollar signs 
and Moneybags.  Then nobody bought them, so other parts are just magically 
'unavailable' now to drive up kit sales.
On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
Agreed.  I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if 
unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.

I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program.  They said they would sell 
the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.

If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8 miles, you need 
bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish.  Right now, you have to buy the kit 
and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the 2.5’ dishes down the road. 
 Horribly wasteful.  Radiowave and KP built dishes specifically for the AF-11.  
They are really screwed right now.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes 

wrote:

While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior products - 
something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles.

On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They jacked the 
price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been non-existent since 
November/December which was the last time I was able to order stand alone AF11 
radios. Now a rumor they will never sell them again without their crappy dish? 
Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust in a couple years 
which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost about 2x-2.5x like 
Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz channel you can get 1.4gbps full duplex 
and I have never seen a AF11 radio actually push over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 
6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as bad as a AF24 would on a 3-4 mile 
shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their pricing is 
extremely competitive. Ken is awesome, always emails me back within 30 minutes 
with any questions I have. Hell you can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for 
10gbps full duplex for $5200 out the door. Siklu's promo for $4200 link will 
only do 2gbps which you can't even get from Baltic because they are sold out.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski 
mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:
Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so that the AF11 is 
added. So many changes, so little time...

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski 
mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:
https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
From Streakwave?  They're the one's that told me this morning they were never 
going to get them.
On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
Streakwave was telling me that originally too, but it was during the change of 
the model number of the standalone radio.  Now that the model number for the 
stand alone radio is changed, price is a bit higher, but they are once again 
available.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke 
 wrote:
 One distributor I talked

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

That’s a bunch of baloney.  They are using the claim that we are about to 
become a hotspot as the basis for delaying re-opening things.  They claimed we 
had to close down because the hospitals would be overwhelmed and “more people 
will die because they can’t get healthcare”.  They are laying-off pretty much 
every hospital employee that isn’t in the ER or ICU because there aren’t any 
patients.  Every medical system in our state has done this.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being lifted.

yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be working 
great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough restrictions to not 
overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up again they will issue new 
orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity plannning issue at this point.

open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
sean

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot spots. 
 Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social distancing, why 
would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep saying that and 
they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though that Wisconsin and 
Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.  Worldmeters.info lists the 
first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of those were in Illinois and I 
believe the 12th case in the US was in Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered 
(she calls it a dehumanizing experience) and wrote an article about her 
experience.  The thing to point out is that this was before any social 
distancing or basically any precautions were being taken even by medical 
personnel.  She went in to the ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 
2 days after she returned from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) 
and was sent home.  Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was 
transported by ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance 
crews in addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel 
were all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the 
reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.   
That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is 
contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much 
greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that a 
“hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT PRECAUTIONS or 
social distancing in place)?

Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a 
couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for 
COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head so 
both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story said 
that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and she was 93.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait until 
Tuesday to catchup.

It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are 
seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start to 
be the hot zones now.

-Sean

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:47 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

2020-04-28 Thread Josh Luthman

I find it interesting that somehow we keep trying the latest Ubiquiti
product because it's all shiny and then get screwed by it shortly
afterward.  Following that, we try the latest shiny Ubiquiti product and
then get screwed by it after a short time.  GOTO 10

I know one person at Ubiquiti now and he's a great guy, but he has
absolutely no pull in the company.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:10 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> and they like to file frivolous lawsuits against their customers and
> distributors...just sayin'
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:28 AM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes my buttons
>> about this thread... I guess I still have lingering feelings about
>> supporting the underdog.
>>
>> Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the underdog
>> because they have now become like everyone else.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many of the Kits in
>>> stock, and now they're trying to get them sold off before they start
>>> offering piecemeal parts again.
>>>
>>> Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when they thought of
>>> the Kit idea, and it was met with enthusiastic nods around the conference
>>> table, after seeing all the glossy charts with arrows pointing up, and
>>> giant dollar signs and Moneybags.  Then nobody bought them, so other parts
>>> are just magically 'unavailable' now to drive up kit sales.
>>>
>>> On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed.  I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if
>>> unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.
>>>
>>> I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program.  They said they would
>>> sell the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.
>>>
>>> If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8 miles,
>>> you need bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish.  Right now, you have to
>>> buy the kit and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the 2.5’
>>> dishes down the road.  Horribly wasteful.  Radiowave and KP built dishes
>>> specifically for the AF-11.  They are really screwed right now.
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> CTIconnect
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes
>>>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior products -
>>> something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles.
>>>
>>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They jacked
>>> the price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been non-existent since
>>> November/December which was the last time I was able to order stand alone
>>> AF11 radios. Now a rumor they will never sell them again without their
>>> crappy dish? Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust
>>> in a couple years which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost
>>> about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz channel you can
>>> get 1.4gbps full duplex and I have never seen a AF11 radio actually push
>>> over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as
>>> bad as a AF24 would on a 3-4 mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on
>>> out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their pricing is extremely competitive. Ken is awesome,
>>> always emails me back within 30 minutes with any questions I have. Hell you
>>> can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for 10gbps full duplex for $5200 out
>>> the door. Siklu's promo for $4200 link will only do 2gbps which you can't
>>> even get from Baltic because they are sold out.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so that the
 AF11 is added. So many changes, so little time...

 On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski 
 wrote:

> https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> From Streakwave?  They're the one's that told me this morning they
>> were never going to get them.
>>
>> On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>>
>> Streakwave was telling me that originally too, but it was during the
>> change of the model number of the standalone radio.  Now that the model
>> number for the stand alone radio is changed, price is a bit higher, but
>> they are once again available.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  One distributor I talked to said they were being told by UBNT that
>> their Single Radio order would never be fulfilled
>>
>> On 4/27/2020 3:20 PM, Chuck Macenski

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

and they like to file frivolous lawsuits against their customers and
distributors...just sayin'

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:28 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

> I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes my buttons
> about this thread... I guess I still have lingering feelings about
> supporting the underdog.
>
> Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the underdog
> because they have now become like everyone else.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many of the Kits in
>> stock, and now they're trying to get them sold off before they start
>> offering piecemeal parts again.
>>
>> Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when they thought of
>> the Kit idea, and it was met with enthusiastic nods around the conference
>> table, after seeing all the glossy charts with arrows pointing up, and
>> giant dollar signs and Moneybags.  Then nobody bought them, so other parts
>> are just magically 'unavailable' now to drive up kit sales.
>>
>> On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>
>> Agreed.  I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if
>> unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.
>>
>> I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program.  They said they would
>> sell the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.
>>
>> If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8 miles,
>> you need bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish.  Right now, you have to
>> buy the kit and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the 2.5’
>> dishes down the road.  Horribly wasteful.  Radiowave and KP built dishes
>> specifically for the AF-11.  They are really screwed right now.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes
>>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior products -
>> something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles.
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They jacked
>> the price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been non-existent since
>> November/December which was the last time I was able to order stand alone
>> AF11 radios. Now a rumor they will never sell them again without their
>> crappy dish? Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust
>> in a couple years which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost
>> about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz channel you can
>> get 1.4gbps full duplex and I have never seen a AF11 radio actually push
>> over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as
>> bad as a AF24 would on a 3-4 mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on
>> out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their pricing is extremely competitive. Ken is awesome,
>> always emails me back within 30 minutes with any questions I have. Hell you
>> can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for 10gbps full duplex for $5200 out
>> the door. Siklu's promo for $4200 link will only do 2gbps which you can't
>> even get from Baltic because they are sold out.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so that the
>>> AF11 is added. So many changes, so little time...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/

 On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> From Streakwave?  They're the one's that told me this morning they
> were never going to get them.
>
> On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>
> Streakwave was telling me that originally too, but it was during the
> change of the model number of the standalone radio.  Now that the model
> number for the stand alone radio is changed, price is a bit higher, but
> they are once again available.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke 
>  wrote:
>
>  One distributor I talked to said they were being told by UBNT that
> their Single Radio order would never be fulfilled
>
> On 4/27/2020 3:20 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
>
> That rumor is incorrect. The AF11 radio is available as a stand-alone
> SKU.
>
> https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11
>
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Why in the world would you buy crappy radios from a crappy company
>> that likes to frivolously sue its customers and distributors?  They also
>> seem to like to discontinue products at the drop of a hat.
>>
>> Not gonna build my business model around a crappy company like that.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source of
the "beef". but then again, he also drank booze that was made in a pit in
the ground that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So im
pretty sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what they do
> to dogs/cats/animals.  I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything.
> Used to think it was cliche or just a joke about over there.  Its not.
>
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> *From: *"James Howard" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
> So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch box?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> I don't think they keep cats as pets..
>
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> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59:59 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> and Facebook will publish a thousand variations.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> google will remove this truth from the internet
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Yes!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:53 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

thats fake news. the media only reports fact, they even say so, as you
know, democracy dies in darkness and they are our last hope

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:45 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> I was referring to newspapers printing what the public wants to hear.  The
> exact opposite.  They print what they want you to believe.
>
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> Network Operations Manager
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>
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> *From: *"chuck" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:06:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>
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> *From: *"chuck" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you
> to hear.  Things are much better now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
>>> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
>>> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
>>> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
 Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
 that resulted in that was?

 On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
 down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
 opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.

 On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>
>
> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>
>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the 
>> people
>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
>> treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what they do to 
dogs/cats/animals. I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything. Used to 
think it was cliche or just a joke about over there. Its not. 

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From: "James Howard"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 



So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch box? 




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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM 
To: af  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan 





I don't think they keep cats as pets.. 





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and Facebook will publish a thousand variations. 
bp 
 


On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 





google will remove this truth from the internet 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I was referring to newspapers printing what the public wants to hear. The exact 
opposite. They print what they want you to believe. 

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From: "chuck"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:06:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 

Not really. Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet. 
How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago? 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 
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From: "chuck"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 
100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you to 
hear. Things are much better now. 

Sent from my iPhone 



On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie  
wrote: 





BQ_BEGIN

It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private 
corporations though, especially in situations like this. 

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free speech 
protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and 
corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech. 
Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution 
says. 
YMMV 
-Sean 
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie < 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling of 
free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things the 
left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at both 
sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now. 

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Whoa, google took it down? That's amazing. I wonder what the process that 
resulted in that was? 

On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it down. 
Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as opposed 
to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong. 

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the 
"numbers" is totally fictitious... 


On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing, and the 
overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me. 

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated like 
science fact to back up their agenda... Ethics in Medicine is just about dead, 
put another nail in the coffin.. 

On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million confirmed 
infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg, and that the 
actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I don't believe the 
number is actually that high, but I would believe something around 5-8 million. 
Either way, it is still just speculation. 



bp
 
On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



What are the treatments that are now working? I try to be optimistic about 
antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have ventilators, 
which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people die. They keep 
doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it 
ain’t working. Even if it were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they 
don’t reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while your 
body hopefully fights the infection. And then you have the people experiencing 
kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is 
permanent. 



I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat it, but 
I haven’t heard the evidence for that. 



Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that even 
if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges including the 
sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine production. Right 
now most vaccines are just for each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have 
to be for the entire population. And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be 
in big vats. And the interesting part is they could repurpose fermentation 
tanks used for things like brewing beer. 






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Sent: Monday, April 20,

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

2020-04-28 Thread TJ Trout

I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes my buttons
about this thread... I guess I still have lingering feelings about
supporting the underdog.

Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the underdog
because they have now become like everyone else.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many of the Kits in
> stock, and now they're trying to get them sold off before they start
> offering piecemeal parts again.
>
> Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when they thought of the
> Kit idea, and it was met with enthusiastic nods around the conference
> table, after seeing all the glossy charts with arrows pointing up, and
> giant dollar signs and Moneybags.  Then nobody bought them, so other parts
> are just magically 'unavailable' now to drive up kit sales.
>
> On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>
> Agreed.  I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if
> unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.
>
> I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program.  They said they would
> sell the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.
>
> If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8 miles, you
> need bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish.  Right now, you have to buy
> the kit and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the 2.5’ dishes
> down the road.  Horribly wasteful.  Radiowave and KP built dishes
> specifically for the AF-11.  They are really screwed right now.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes
>  
> wrote:
>
> 
> While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior products -
> something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles.
>
> On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They jacked the
> price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been non-existent since
> November/December which was the last time I was able to order stand alone
> AF11 radios. Now a rumor they will never sell them again without their
> crappy dish? Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust
> in a couple years which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost
> about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz channel you can
> get 1.4gbps full duplex and I have never seen a AF11 radio actually push
> over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as
> bad as a AF24 would on a 3-4 mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on
> out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their pricing is extremely competitive. Ken is awesome,
> always emails me back within 30 minutes with any questions I have. Hell you
> can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for 10gbps full duplex for $5200 out
> the door. Siklu's promo for $4200 link will only do 2gbps which you can't
> even get from Baltic because they are sold out.
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski  wrote:
>
>> Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so that the AF11
>> is added. So many changes, so little time...
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 From Streakwave?  They're the one's that told me this morning they were
 never going to get them.

 On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

 Streakwave was telling me that originally too, but it was during the
 change of the model number of the standalone radio.  Now that the model
 number for the stand alone radio is changed, price is a bit higher, but
 they are once again available.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke 
  wrote:

  One distributor I talked to said they were being told by UBNT that
 their Single Radio order would never be fulfilled

 On 4/27/2020 3:20 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:

 That rumor is incorrect. The AF11 radio is available as a stand-alone
 SKU.

 https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11

 Chuck

 On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Why in the world would you buy crappy radios from a crappy company
> that likes to frivolously sue its customers and distributors?  They also
> seem to like to discontinue products at the drop of a hat.
>
> Not gonna build my business model around a crappy company like that.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I've heard a rumor that the only way to buy an AF11 radio now is in a
>> kit with Radio+Single Diplexer+Dish.  Single radios cannot be
>> purchased.  How can you keep spares of equipment if that's

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-28 Thread Jay Weekley


I hope you like Alabama if that happens.

Steve Jones wrote:

if it were working we wouldnt be having a negligble difference in rates
than sweden. we have states that never even did it. cities are and always
have been unsustainable entities
I wish i was in charge, i would solve the vast majority of the ailments
with a few thousand bombing runs. the cesspools that cities are would make
great glass expanses

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:05 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:


they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
lifted.

yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
plannning issue at this point.

open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:


People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?



Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within
a couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
she was 93.







*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?



Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
until Tuesday to catchup.



It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
to be the hot zones now.



-Sean







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if it were working we wouldnt be having a negligble difference in rates
than sweden. we have states that never even did it. cities are and always
have been unsustainable entities
I wish i was in charge, i would solve the vast majority of the ailments
with a few thousand bombing runs. the cesspools that cities are would make
great glass expanses

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:05 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being
> lifted.
>
> yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
> working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
> restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
> again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
> plannning issue at this point.
>
> open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
> sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
>> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
>> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
>> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
>> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
>> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
>> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
>> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
>> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
>> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
>> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
>> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
>> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
>> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
>> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
>> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
>> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
>> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>>  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
>> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
>> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
>> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
>> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within
>> a couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
>> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
>> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
>> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
>> she was 93.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
>> until Tuesday to catchup.
>>
>>
>>
>> It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
>> seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
>> to be the hot zones now.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

lol. we have the ability to be our own starlink too. you have any spare
shekels ?


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:34 AM  wrote:

> But... you have the ability to be your own twitter, or FB or Afmug...
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:14 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
> with the narrative
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>
>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>
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>> *From: *"chuck" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
>> you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
>> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>
>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>> constitution says.
>>>
>>> YMMV
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
 stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
 with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the
 fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to
 lent now.

 On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
> process that resulted in that was?
>
> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up 
> as
> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with
>> the "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>
>>
>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>
>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
>>> just
>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>
>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1
>>> million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the
>>> iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80
>>> million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would
>>> believe something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just
>>> speculation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be
>>> optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they
>>> mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 
>>> 70-80% of
>>> the people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy 
>>> for
>>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they 
>>> are
>>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
>>> treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being lifted.

yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
plannning issue at this point.

open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:

> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>
>
>
> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a
> couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
> she was 93.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
> until Tuesday to catchup.
>
>
>
> It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
> seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
> to be the hot zones now.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:47 AM  wrote:
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism


  
  
and we do.


bp



On 4/28/2020 9:33 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  But... you have the ability to be your own twitter, or FB
or Afmug...
  

   
  
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope
  and optimism
  

 
  
  
yep, and your message can be removed in an
  instant if it does not comply with the narrative
 

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at
11:06 AM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  Not really.  Today you can get your message
out to the world with a tweet.
  How would you have been able to do that 100
years ago?
  

   
  
From: Steven Kenney

Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020
  9:54 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a
  bit of hope and optimism
  

 
  
  

  I sense overwhelming sarcasm.  
   
  -- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)
   
  
  From: "chuck" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020
8:14:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit
of hope and optimism
  
   
  100 years ago it was newspapers and they
only printed what they wanted you to hear. 
Things are much better now.

Sent from my iPhone

  On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM,
Jason McKemie 
wrote:

  


  It's a problem when the
main conduits for communication are all
private corporations though, especially
in situations like this.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett

wrote:

  
Most people don’t realize that
  the constitutional protection of
  free speech protects the
  government from stifling
  speech...private citizens and
  corporations are not required to
  protect anyone’s speech.  
  
   
  Not saying I agree or disagree
with it, just stating what the
constitution says.
   
  YMMV
   
  -Sean
   
  
 

  On
Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM
Jason McKemie 
wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

But... you have the ability to be your own twitter, or FB or Afmug...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply with 
the narrative

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:

  Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
  How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?

  From: Steven Kenney 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  I sense overwhelming sarcasm.  

  -- 
  Steven Kenney
  Network Operations Manager
  WaveDirect Telecommunications
  http://www.wavedirect.net
  (519)737-WAVE (9283)

--

  From: "chuck" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

  100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you to 
hear.  Things are much better now.

  Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private 
corporations though, especially in situations like this.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free 
speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and 
corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.  

  Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the 
constitution says.

  YMMV

  -Sean

  On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the 
stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with 
things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe 
at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:

  Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the 
process that resulted in that was?

  On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took 
it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as 
opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

  It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing 
with the "numbers" is totally fictitious...

  On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty 
refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  
wrote:

  Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA 
treated like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
just about dead, put another nail in the coffin..

  On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 
1 million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the 
iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 
million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe 
something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.

bp

On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to 
be optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they 
mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the 
people die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for 
respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working, 
ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are just 
a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the infection.  
And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, 
they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.

  I hope you’re right that the medical community has 
learned how to treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.

  Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information 
I read was that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many 
challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up 
vaccine production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of 
schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not in 
chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part is 
they could repurpose fermentation tanks used

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
with the narrative

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:

> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"chuck" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you
> to hear.  Things are much better now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
>>> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
>>> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
>>> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
 Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
 that resulted in that was?

 On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
 down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
 opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.

 On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>
>
> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>
>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the 
>> people
>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
>> treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
>> that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
>> including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
>> production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
>> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not
>> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting 
>> part
>> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like

Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-28 Thread Mike Hammett

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52131940 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan 



I don't think they keep cats as pets.. 


-- 
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http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan 




and Facebook will publish a thousand variations. 
bp
 
On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 



google will remove this truth from the internet 


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 





Yes! 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:53 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan 






- 
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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

So you're saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a lunch box?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:53 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

I don't think they keep cats as pets..

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http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan


and Facebook will publish a thousand variations.

bp




On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
google will remove this truth from the internet

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Yes!

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:53 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot spots. 
 Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social distancing, why 
would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep saying that and 
they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though that Wisconsin and 
Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.  Worldmeters.info lists the 
first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of those were in Illinois and I 
believe the 12th case in the US was in Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered 
(she calls it a dehumanizing experience) and wrote an article about her 
experience.  The thing to point out is that this was before any social 
distancing or basically any precautions were being taken even by medical 
personnel.  She went in to the ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 
2 days after she returned from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) 
and was sent home.  Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was 
transported by ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance 
crews in addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel 
were all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the 
reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.   
That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is 
contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much 
greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that a 
“hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT PRECAUTIONS or 
social distancing in place)?

Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a 
couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for 
COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head so 
both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story said 
that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and she was 93.



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait until 
Tuesday to catchup.

It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are 
seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start to 
be the hot zones now.

-Sean



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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?

From: Steven Kenney 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I sense overwhelming sarcasm.  

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From: "chuck" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you to 
hear.  Things are much better now.

Sent from my iPhone

  On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie  
wrote:

  It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private 
corporations though, especially in situations like this.

  On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:

Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free speech 
protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and 
corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.  

Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution 
says.

YMMV

-Sean

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling 
of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things the 
left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at both 
sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.

  On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:

Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process 
that resulted in that was?

On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took 
it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as 
opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.

  On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with 
the "numbers" is totally fictitious...

On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty 
refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.

  On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA 
treated like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
just about dead, put another nail in the coffin..

On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

  Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 
million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the 
iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 
million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe 
something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.

bp

On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be 
optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly 
have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people 
die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for respiratory 
distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working, ventilators are not a 
treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you 
oxygen while your body hopefully fights the infection.  And then you have the 
people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if 
the damage is permanent.

I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned 
how to treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.

Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I 
read was that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many 
challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up 
vaccine production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of 
schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not in 
chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part is 
they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Time will tell based on whether it actually starts 
declining in a meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

I sense overwhelming sarcasm. 

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From: "chuck"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 

100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you to 
hear. Things are much better now. 

Sent from my iPhone 



On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie  
wrote: 





BQ_BEGIN

It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private 
corporations though, especially in situations like this. 

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett < [ mailto:af...@zirkel.us | 
af...@zirkel.us ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free speech 
protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and 
corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech. 

Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution 
says. 

YMMV 

-Sean 


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie < [ 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com | j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com ] > 
wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling of 
free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things the 
left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at both 
sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now. 

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com | 
i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Whoa, google took it down? That's amazing. I wonder what the process that 
resulted in that was? 

On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it down. 
Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as opposed 
to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong. 

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com | 
i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the 
"numbers" is totally fictitious... 


On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing, and the 
overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me. 

On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com | 
i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated like 
science fact to back up their agenda... Ethics in Medicine is just about dead, 
put another nail in the coffin.. 

On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million confirmed 
infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg, and that the 
actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I don't believe the 
number is actually that high, but I would believe something around 5-8 million. 
Either way, it is still just speculation. 



bp
 
On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



What are the treatments that are now working? I try to be optimistic about 
antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have ventilators, 
which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people die. They keep 
doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it 
ain’t working. Even if it were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they 
don’t reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while your 
body hopefully fights the infection. And then you have the people experiencing 
kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is 
permanent. 



I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat it, but 
I haven’t heard the evidence for that. 



Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was that even 
if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges including the 
sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine production. Right 
now most vaccines are just for each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have 
to be for the entire population. And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be 
in big vats. And the interesting part is they could repurpose fermentation 
tanks used for things like brewing beer. 






From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com |  ] On 
Behalf Of Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism 




Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a meaningful 
way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was to 
flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of 
infections. I get the impression that the medical community has learned a lot 
about how to

Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

I don't think they keep cats as pets.. 

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From: "Bill Prince"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan 



and Facebook will publish a thousand variations. 
bp
 
On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 



google will remove this truth from the internet 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | 
af...@kwisp.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Yes! 




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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:53 AM 
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Subject: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan 










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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

Two ways to fix it...change the constitution or stop using those company’s
services until they change their behavior.  I don’t know which would be
easier.

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:49 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
>>> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
>>> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
>>> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
 Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
 that resulted in that was?

 On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
 down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
 opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.

 On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:

> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>
>
> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>
>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the 
>> people
>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
>> treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
>> that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
>> including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
>> production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
>> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not
>> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting 
>> part
>> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing
>> beer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>>
>>
>> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
>> meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember,
>> the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce
>> the number of infections. I get the impression that the medical community
>> has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.
>>
>> Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
until Tuesday to catchup.

It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
to be the hot zones now.

-Sean

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:47 AM  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?


  
  
The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where
  the quantity drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then
  more on Tuesday.
Let's see what happens today.


bp



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan


  
  
and Facebook will publish a thousand variations.

bp



On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  google will remove this truth from the internet
  
  
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39
  AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


  

  Yes!
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:53 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in
Wuhan

  
   
  
 

  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

google will remove this truth from the internet

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Yes!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:53 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

Yes!

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:53 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

 



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Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat5 Ends

2020-04-28 Thread Josh Luthman

I kept with the Ubnt cable for way too long.  We jumped over to Shireen
ends and cable.  Everything is better in every possible way (except it may
be a couple bucks more for equipment, made up for the way faster crimping +
error rate reduction).

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 7:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Nate these are what we use/sell.
>
> Pictured with tc l2 carrier
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 10:45 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Every couple years I buy ~500 shielded ends.  My Stock is getting low.
>> What good shielded ends are out now?
>>
>> Are the UBNT TC-CON connectors just as good as anything else?
>>
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[AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan

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[AFMUG] OT Hope?