100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted you to
hear. Things are much better now.
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> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free speech
>> protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution
>> says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie
>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling of
>>> free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things the
>>> left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at both
>>> sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>>> Whoa, google took it down? That's amazing. I wonder what the process
>>>> that resulted in that was?
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>>>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up
>>>>> as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>>>>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing,
>>>>>>> and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda... Ethics in Medicine is
>>>>>>>> just about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>>>>>>>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the
>>>>>>>>> iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of
>>>>>>>>> 50-80 million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but
>>>>>>>>> I would believe something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still
>>>>>>>>> just speculation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> What are the treatments that are now working? I try to be
>>>>>>>>>> optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now
>>>>>>>>>> they mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful
>>>>>>>>>> if 70-80% of the people die. They keep doing that because it’s the
>>>>>>>>>> textbook therapy for respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.
>>>>>>>>>> Even if it were working, ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t
>>>>>>>>>> reverse the disease, they are just a measure to get you oxygen while
>>>>>>>>>> your body hopefully fights the infection. And then you have the
>>>>>>>>>> people experiencing kidney failure and needing dialysis, they’re not
>>>>>>>>>> sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
>>>>>>>>>> treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
>>>>>>>>>> that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many
>>>>>>>>>> challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have to
>>>>>>>>>> scale up vaccine production. Right now most vaccines are just for
>>>>>>>>>> each new wave of schoolchildren, this would have to be for the
>>>>>>>>>> entire population. And not in chicken eggs, it would have to be in
>>>>>>>>>> big vats. And the interesting part is they could repurpose
>>>>>>>>>> fermentation tanks used for things like brewing beer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
>>>>>>>>>> meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit.
>>>>>>>>>> Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily
>>>>>>>>>> going to reduce the number of infections. I get the impression that
>>>>>>>>>> the medical community has learned a lot about how to actually treat
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over
>>>>>>>>>> 1 million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under
>>>>>>>>>> 1 million, I would be more encouraged.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looks a bit Gaussian to me. I hope...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <image001.png>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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