date:20201212

Response part 2 (someone else had posted about Rocky Linux):

 

> FWIW, I suspect there will be a lot of movement over the coming months 

> with relation to this, as an example ROCKY LINUX which someone you may 

> have heard of... Gregory Kurtzer has announced he would create (he was 

> one of the co-founders of CentOS).

 

Yes, I've been following the Slack channels of Rocky Linux from day one and 
also offered to chip in some help. But after just a few hours or so the various 
Slack channels were already bustling with hundreds of people doing different 
things and kicking cans down the curbs in parallel that it was just amazing to 
watch. There are some (recent) former CentOS and Fedora people involved right 
off the bat and they know their tools and trade inside out.

 

> So I would not get too bogged down on this topic for now, let the dust 

> settle and we will probably see a better picture.

 

Indeed. I'm not worried either. Cloud Linux also announced that they're 
starting a 1:1 community driven port of RHEL8 as CentOS 8 replacement and will 
offer it free of charge. Like their commercial Cloud Linux it will have 
(optional) support and some other (optional) add-ons for those that want or 
need this and are willing to pay for those gimmicks. They say they might have 
something to show in the first quarter of 2021.

 

The Rocky Linux guys are also targeting Q1 2021 or shortly thereafter.

 

And there is (if hell freezes over) the option to pick Oracle Linux.

 

That's three alternatives so far and they are perhaps not the only ones we'll 
see.

 

With that in mind I'd say we can be optimistic and can choose and pick whatever 
suits us best. When the dust has settled the BlueOnyx 5210R YUM repository will 
receive a small update that switches 5210R to the OS repository that we settle 
on and I'll also start publishing ISO's that directly install 5210R with the 
new OS of choice.

 

Even then you're not married to it. If we pick Cloud Linux and you prefer Rocky 
Linux instead (or vice versa) all you need to do is to change one RPM that 
contains the OS related repository bindings.

 

Sure, some bystanders (not here, but elsewhere) have mentioned their fears that 
RedHat might eventually pull the rug entirely and no longer publishes the 
sources of RHEL8 in a reproducible manner that allows repackaging after 
debranding.

 

However: The way Open Source works and the way licensing of the components in 
RHEL8 works they can't do that. Even if the suits at IBM perform rain dance and 
a goat sacrifice or throw tantrums. The pushback from the industry would also 
be pretty spectacular and amusing to see.

 

Some even said: "What if IBM decides RedHat is no longer commercially viable 
and make it go away?" Uhm ... that's even less likely. The US Air Force has 
awarded RedHat a fat contract to keep the ancient OS in the F-22's alive. And 
who else but RedHat knows best how to keep deprecated software viable even long 
after its expiry date? That contract alone will keep the cogs at RedHat greased 
enough to keep even the suits at Incompatible Business Machines happy.

 

Lastly: The speed at which Rocky Linux got kickstarted is an indication that 
both the industry *and* the community are ready to defend our niche with tooths 
and nails and that highly professional help is readily available to pour 
heartblood and efforts into keeping the status quo.

 

In the end: *** 'tis but a scratch *** \o/

 

Like in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhX_vGRx3WM

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lincs Chel
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

 

Hi;

I think another option to consider would be Oracle Linux.  Consider the 
following from their blog, news and website:-

*   If you are reading this blog, you are probably a CentOS user and are in 
the position where you need to look at alternatives going forward. Switching to 
Oracle Linux is easy.

*   
https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/need-a-stable%2c-rhel-compatible-alternative-to-centos-three-reasons-to-consider-oracle-linux

*   Need a stable, RHEL compatible alternative to CentOS? 

*   https://www.oracle.com/linux/ 

 

Another option if you're using cPanel & WHM is to most likely use them as a 
good guide:-

*   cPanel Support For CentOS 8 And More

*   https://blog.cpanel.com/centos-8-end-of-life-announcement/ 

 

And, if you're coming from the old Cobalt Networks RaQ server era days and/or 
BlueOnyx, they have a good blog, news & comments.  Probably their posture may 
be the best position to take when looking and/or want to "marry" with a 
particular distro which had various roadmaps during their history.

*   BlueOnyx has been available on CentOS since CentOS 5, but as the CentOS 
project never was without issues and unpredictability. Therefore we've never 
been fully "married" to it. It's always been more of a matter of convenience 
than one of

Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Response part 1 from the BlueOnyx developer:

 

Oracle Linux is basically a parallel project of CentOS. Oracle also fetches the 
sources of RHEL, rebrands it and publishes it as Oracle Linux. They do offer 
some extras for it that go beyond what CentOS does, but for all intends and 
purposes anything compiled on RHEL8 or CentOS 8 will run on the latest Oracle 
Linux as well. You can easily turn a CentOS 8 into an Oracle Linux by switching 
the repository files.

 

But like most I despise Oracle as they're scavengers and patent trolls.

So I'm neither advocating nor considering Oracle Linux as a replacement for 
CentOS unless it's the last and only hope for continuity.

 

And that it is not.

 

When RedHat bought CentOS outright this didn't really bode well. When the suits 
at IBM bought RedHat it didn't take much premonition to deduct that this 
wouldn't end well for our side of the turf. Eventually the beancounters take 
stock at what they have and when you look at RHEL, CentOS and Fedora and what 
they offer, then possession of CentOS as is doesn't make any business sense.

 

Why? They offer for free what RedHat charges and arm and a leg for. Same wine 
in different bottles. Which economically isn't really clever.

Taking that away or turning it into something else is the logical choice that 
any beancounter would come to. Surely the "freeloaders" that really depend on 
what CentOS offers would then pull out their wallets and buy RedHat 
subscriptions, right?

 

Yeah? Really? Hell no.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lincs Chel
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

 

Hi;

I think another option to consider would be Oracle Linux.  Consider the 
following from their blog, news and website:-

*   If you are reading this blog, you are probably a CentOS user and are in 
the position where you need to look at alternatives going forward. Switching to 
Oracle Linux is easy.

*   
https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/need-a-stable%2c-rhel-compatible-alternative-to-centos-three-reasons-to-consider-oracle-linux

*   Need a stable, RHEL compatible alternative to CentOS? 

*   https://www.oracle.com/linux/ 

 

Another option if you're using cPanel & WHM is to most likely use them as a 
good guide:-

*   cPanel Support For CentOS 8 And More

*   https://blog.cpanel.com/centos-8-end-of-life-announcement/ 

 

And, if you're coming from the old Cobalt Networks RaQ server era days and/or 
BlueOnyx, they have a good blog, news & comments.  Probably their posture may 
be the best position to take when looking and/or want to "marry" with a 
particular distro which had various roadmaps during their history.

*   BlueOnyx has been available on CentOS since CentOS 5, but as the CentOS 
project never was without issues and unpredictability. Therefore we've never 
been fully "married" to it. It's always been more of a matter of convenience 
than one of choice. We even departed briefly from CentOS during the CentOS 6 
days and favored Scientific Linux 6 instead. Since then we kept our eyes and 
ears open for alternatives and also contemplated contingencies.

 

*   You are here: Welcome to BlueOnyx» News
CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream 

*   
https://www.blueonyx.it/news/280/54/CentOS-Project-shifts-focus-to-CentOS-Stream/d,Simplex%20News%20Detail
 

Based on BlueOnyx website news, they have indicated the original founder of 
CentOS is considering a possible return:-

And like mentioned above: We're not the only ones whom RedHat pulled the rug 
out from under our feet.

In fact Gregory Kurtzer (co-founder of CentOS) had this to say 
 :

I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able to hire 
some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, please join the 
HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org).

Greg (original founder of CentOS)

 

If you've installed and use cnMaestro and Cambium's software on CentOS, then 
the impact may even be more on your operations.  I am guessing Cambium's 
cnMaestro may drop support for CentOS eventually.

 

Lincoln

 

On 12/12/2020 11:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Mostly. IBM charges quite a bit for it, but they're big blue. Not sure what 
they're getting out of their multi-billion dollar purchase, but we would have 
to sit in their board room to understand their thinking. I wouldn't be 
surprised to see that they are saving money by getting all those community 
developers do the work for next to nothing. Sure cuts down on the expenses in 
the development department.

The only real issue is which version of linux you want hook your wagon to. I 
used Centos for quite a long time; mainly because it was "enterprise". Then it 
go too "enterprise" for my taste, and have since switched to Debian. It's the 
same, but different. Same enough for my taste, and down-homey enough for the

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

They are good for their historic food. Mormons had big families. Probably
had some French as servants when they abandoned the joint, didnt want to
tote a bunch of stinky French when they ran for the hills. Can you imagine
travelling all the way from illinois to utah with frenchmen. It would be
enough listening to smith rant incessantly, but to have to smell a slew of
frenchmen the whole trip.
 I'm gonna have to go to nauvoo though soon, I bet 5heres some stinky
french cheese recipes to be found. No women's razors to be found, but tons
of glorious stinky french cheese


On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 11:21 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> In the words of the great Chicago newspaper columnist Mike Royko:
>
>
>
> “Why, you ask, do I bother to eat in French restaurants if the language is
> such a mystery and pain in the neck?  Because they know how to cook. They
> aren`t much at fighting wars anymore. Despite their reputation for fashion,
> their women have spindly legs. Their music is sappy. But they do know how
> to whip up a plate of grub.”
>
>
>
> https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-02-25-8601140697-story.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:57 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> ...frenchmen, all we need to know about that joint
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 10:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> The French that took over Nauvoo after the Mormons left were all about
> wine and cheese.  They still make Nauvoo Blue I think.  I used to live in
> Quincy.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> We also had Mormons but we weren’t nice to them and they moved farther
> west.
>
>
>
> Interesting, according to Wikipedia when the Mormons left, they were
> replaced by a socialist commune.
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo,_Illinois
>
>
>
> Sorry, none of this has anything to do with cheese.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> So, found disturbing info. Was looking for natural salt sources in il
> should shtf. Cheese without salt is just rotted milk and imma need cheese.
>
>
>
> Illinois had slaves.
>
>
>
> The saline river in illinois has an interesting story. Slaves in a free
> state, decimation of forests, etc.
>
>
>
> I bet they seasoned a whole lot of cheese with all that salt
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, 12:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> My son drinks Fairlife milk.  AFAIK he is not lactose intolerant, just
> likes it better.  I’m not totally sure what the deal is with it being
> “ultra filtered”, they say it removes most of the sugar, which I assume
> means lactose (milk sugar).  Their website says 50% less sugar, 50% more
> protein.  So if you’re lactose intolerant, taking out half of it probably
> isn’t good enough.
>
>
>
> Looks like Fairlife is now 100% owned by CocaCola, not sure if that’s good
> or bad.  Coke has always been healthy, right?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:21 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> We will look for it.  Lactaid milk works a bit.  But I become resistant to
> it somehow after some time.  It may not be 100% blamed on lactose.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:02 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> Have her try getting some A2A2 milk (I think there’s a company actually
> marketing it) to try in a recipe.  Maybe you can bring the odds to 40/60 or
> better.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:52 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> Killer, like pain so bad you hope you can die.  I passed out from it
> once.  But it is a 50/50 proposition.  So I keep doing it to myself.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:45 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> It would be interesting (from a scientific observer standpoint with
> reports of effects of course) to see if you are able to drink milk or eat
> dairy products from an A2A2 cow.  Apparently many people who are lactose
> intolerant don’t have issues with it.  Cows can be tested but it’s far more
> common in some of the “heritage” breeds than in Holsteins.  If it’s killer
> soup, seems like the roulette would be more of whether you die than
> diet…..  or did you mean killer in a slang sense?
>
>
>
> *From:*

Re: [AFMUG] Electrical engineer

Geek

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 10:59 PM Matt Corcoran  wrote:

> My grandpa use to take me to radio shack for my birthday each year and I
> would go pick out new chips and transistors and stuff I had not played with
> yet.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Friday, December 11, 2020 at 11:20 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Electrical engineer
>
>
>
> My grandson Noah, an EE in training will help you in about 8 years if you
> can wait .
>
> Has his own Fluke meters grandpa bought him for birthday!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 5:29 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> What is the project?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

In the words of the great Chicago newspaper columnist Mike Royko:

 

“Why, you ask, do I bother to eat in French restaurants if the language is such 
a mystery and pain in the neck?  Because they know how to cook. They aren`t 
much at fighting wars anymore. Despite their reputation for fashion, their 
women have spindly legs. Their music is sappy. But they do know how to whip up 
a plate of grub.”

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-02-25-8601140697-story.html

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

...frenchmen, all we need to know about that joint 

 

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 10:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

The French that took over Nauvoo after the Mormons left were all about wine and 
cheese.  They still make Nauvoo Blue I think.  I used to live in Quincy.

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 12, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



We also had Mormons but we weren’t nice to them and they moved farther west.

 

Interesting, according to Wikipedia when the Mormons left, they were replaced 
by a socialist commune.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo,_Illinois

 

Sorry, none of this has anything to do with cheese.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

So, found disturbing info. Was looking for natural salt sources in il should 
shtf. Cheese without salt is just rotted milk and imma need cheese.

 

Illinois had slaves.

 

The saline river in illinois has an interesting story. Slaves in a free state, 
decimation of forests, etc.

 

I bet they seasoned a whole lot of cheese with all that salt 

 

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, 12:44 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

My son drinks Fairlife milk.  AFAIK he is not lactose intolerant, just likes it 
better.  I’m not totally sure what the deal is with it being “ultra filtered”, 
they say it removes most of the sugar, which I assume means lactose (milk 
sugar).  Their website says 50% less sugar, 50% more protein.  So if you’re 
lactose intolerant, taking out half of it probably isn’t good enough.

 

Looks like Fairlife is now 100% owned by CocaCola, not sure if that’s good or 
bad.  Coke has always been healthy, right?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:21 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

We will look for it.  Lactaid milk works a bit.  But I become resistant to it 
somehow after some time.  It may not be 100% blamed on lactose.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:02 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

Have her try getting some A2A2 milk (I think there’s a company actually 
marketing it) to try in a recipe.  Maybe you can bring the odds to 40/60 or 
better. 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:52 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

Killer, like pain so bad you hope you can die.  I passed out from it once.  But 
it is a 50/50 proposition.  So I keep doing it to myself.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:45 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

It would be interesting (from a scientific observer standpoint with reports of 
effects of course) to see if you are able to drink milk or eat dairy products 
from an A2A2 cow.  Apparently many people who are lactose intolerant don’t have 
issues with it.  Cows can be tested but it’s far more common in some of the 
“heritage” breeds than in Holsteins.  If it’s killer soup, seems like the 
roulette would be more of whether you die than diet…..  or did you mean killer 
in a slang sense?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:12 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

I used to have to crank my fricking arm off churning butter as a kid.  Hot 
summer days.  I think it was warm milk from the cow.  Left to set so the cream 
would separate and then we churned it.  My folks had a cream separator but my 
brother ran used

Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Sorry, but nobody in their right mind runs Oracle Linux unless you're using
Oracle software and appliances that require you to run OL for support.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 10:22 PM Lincs Chel  wrote:

> Hi;
>
> I think another option to consider would be Oracle Linux.  Consider the
> following from their blog, news and website:-
>
>-
>
>If you are reading this blog, you are probably a CentOS user and are
>in the position where you need to look at alternatives going forward.
>Switching to Oracle Linux is easy.
>
>-
>   
> https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/need-a-stable%2c-rhel-compatible-alternative-to-centos-three-reasons-to-consider-oracle-linux
>-
>
>Need a stable, RHEL compatible alternative to CentOS?
>
>- https://www.oracle.com/linux/
>
>
> Another option if you're using cPanel & WHM is to most likely use them as
> a good guide:-
>
>- cPanel Support For CentOS 8 And More
>- https://blog.cpanel.com/centos-8-end-of-life-announcement/
>
>
> And, if you're coming from the old Cobalt Networks RaQ server era days
> and/or BlueOnyx, they have a good blog, news & comments.  Probably their
> posture may be the best position to take when looking and/or want to
> "marry" with a particular distro which had various roadmaps during their
> history.
>
>-
>
>BlueOnyx has been available on CentOS since CentOS 5, but as the
>CentOS project never was without issues and unpredictability. Therefore
>we've never been fully "married" to it. It's always been more of a matter
>of convenience than one of choice. We even departed briefly from CentOS
>during the CentOS 6 days and favored Scientific Linux 6 instead. Since then
>we kept our eyes and ears open for alternatives and also contemplated
>contingencies.
>
>
>- You are here: Welcome to BlueOnyx» News
>CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
>-
>   
> https://www.blueonyx.it/news/280/54/CentOS-Project-shifts-focus-to-CentOS-Stream/d,Simplex%20News%20Detail
>
> Based on BlueOnyx website news, they have indicated the original founder
> of CentOS is considering a possible return:-
>
> And like mentioned above: We're not the only ones whom RedHat pulled the
> rug out from under our feet.
>
> In fact Gregory Kurtzer (co-founder of CentOS) had this to say
> :
>
> I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able to
> hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, please
> join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org).
>
> Greg (original founder of CentOS)
>
>
> If you've installed and use cnMaestro and Cambium's software on CentOS,
> then the impact may even be more on your operations.  I am guessing
> Cambium's cnMaestro may drop support for CentOS eventually.
>
>
> Lincoln
>
>
> On 12/12/2020 11:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Mostly. IBM charges quite a bit for it, but they're big blue. Not sure
> what they're getting out of their multi-billion dollar purchase, but we
> would have to sit in their board room to understand their thinking. I
> wouldn't be surprised to see that they are saving money by getting all
> those community developers do the work for next to nothing. Sure cuts down
> on the expenses in the development department.
>
> The only real issue is which version of linux you want hook your wagon to.
> I used Centos for quite a long time; mainly because it was "enterprise".
> Then it go too "enterprise" for my taste, and have since switched to
> Debian. It's the same, but different. Same enough for my taste, and
> down-homey enough for the small operation we are.
>
> NBD.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/12/2020 8:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Linux... linux is free... right?
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 8:39 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
>
> I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when IBM
> acquired RedHat.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
>
>
> Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a
> year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use.
> 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right
>
>
>
> I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly
> ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource
> and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum.
>
>
>
> Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the
> linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution.
>
>
>
> This just stinks, I had my centos process down.
>
>
>
> Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep
> patching and saying they mean it this

Re: [AFMUG] Electrical engineer

2020-12-12 Thread Matt Corcoran

My grandpa use to take me to radio shack for my birthday each year and I would 
go pick out new chips and transistors and stuff I had not played with yet.

From: AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, December 11, 2020 at 11:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Electrical engineer

My grandson Noah, an EE in training will help you in about 8 years if you can 
wait .
Has his own Fluke meters grandpa bought him for birthday!

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 5:29 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
What is the project?
Sent from my iPhone

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Anyone in the group an electrical engineer or know someone who we can pay a 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

...frenchmen, all we need to know about that joint

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 10:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> The French that took over Nauvoo after the Mormons left were all about
> wine and cheese.  They still make Nauvoo Blue I think.  I used to live in
> Quincy.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> We also had Mormons but we weren’t nice to them and they moved farther
> west.
>
>
>
> Interesting, according to Wikipedia when the Mormons left, they were
> replaced by a socialist commune.
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo,_Illinois
>
>
>
> Sorry, none of this has anything to do with cheese.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> So, found disturbing info. Was looking for natural salt sources in il
> should shtf. Cheese without salt is just rotted milk and imma need cheese.
>
>
>
> Illinois had slaves.
>
>
>
> The saline river in illinois has an interesting story. Slaves in a free
> state, decimation of forests, etc.
>
>
>
> I bet they seasoned a whole lot of cheese with all that salt
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, 12:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> My son drinks Fairlife milk.  AFAIK he is not lactose intolerant, just
> likes it better.  I’m not totally sure what the deal is with it being
> “ultra filtered”, they say it removes most of the sugar, which I assume
> means lactose (milk sugar).  Their website says 50% less sugar, 50% more
> protein.  So if you’re lactose intolerant, taking out half of it probably
> isn’t good enough.
>
>
>
> Looks like Fairlife is now 100% owned by CocaCola, not sure if that’s good
> or bad.  Coke has always been healthy, right?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:21 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> We will look for it.  Lactaid milk works a bit.  But I become resistant to
> it somehow after some time.  It may not be 100% blamed on lactose.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:02 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> Have her try getting some A2A2 milk (I think there’s a company actually
> marketing it) to try in a recipe.  Maybe you can bring the odds to 40/60 or
> better.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:52 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> Killer, like pain so bad you hope you can die.  I passed out from it
> once.  But it is a 50/50 proposition.  So I keep doing it to myself.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:45 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> It would be interesting (from a scientific observer standpoint with
> reports of effects of course) to see if you are able to drink milk or eat
> dairy products from an A2A2 cow.  Apparently many people who are lactose
> intolerant don’t have issues with it.  Cows can be tested but it’s far more
> common in some of the “heritage” breeds than in Holsteins.  If it’s killer
> soup, seems like the roulette would be more of whether you die than
> diet…..  or did you mean killer in a slang sense?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:12 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> I used to have to crank my fricking arm off churning butter as a kid.  Hot
> summer days.  I think it was warm milk from the cow.  Left to set so the
> cream would separate and then we churned it.  My folks had a cream
> separator but my brother ran used engine oil through it to see if he could
> reclaim it.  Nope…  We only milked one cow by the time I came along so the
> separator was not needed.
>
>
>
> Made lotsa cottage cheese too.  Not something I ever ate.
>
>
>
> I didn’t even like butter back then.  But I did enjoy the manufacturing
> process.  Severely lactose intolerant.  I still have psychological
> aversions to eating creamy sauces and soups.  I love them, my wife makes
> killer mushroom soup.  So it is a bit of Russian roulette as to whether the
> soup turns into a diet meal or not.  (TMI ?)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 9:42 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> It will turn to butter typically but it does depend on the temperature of
> the

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

The French that took over Nauvoo after the Mormons left were all about wine and 
cheese.  They still make Nauvoo Blue I think.  I used to live in Quincy.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> We also had Mormons but we weren’t nice to them and they moved farther west.
>  
> Interesting, according to Wikipedia when the Mormons left, they were replaced 
> by a socialist commune.
>  
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo,_Illinois
>  
> Sorry, none of this has anything to do with cheese.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:38 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>  
> So, found disturbing info. Was looking for natural salt sources in il should 
> shtf. Cheese without salt is just rotted milk and imma need cheese.
>  
> Illinois had slaves.
>  
> The saline river in illinois has an interesting story. Slaves in a free 
> state, decimation of forests, etc.
>  
> I bet they seasoned a whole lot of cheese with all that salt 
>  
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, 12:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> My son drinks Fairlife milk.  AFAIK he is not lactose intolerant, just likes 
> it better.  I’m not totally sure what the deal is with it being “ultra 
> filtered”, they say it removes most of the sugar, which I assume means 
> lactose (milk sugar).  Their website says 50% less sugar, 50% more protein.  
> So if you’re lactose intolerant, taking out half of it probably isn’t good 
> enough.
>  
> Looks like Fairlife is now 100% owned by CocaCola, not sure if that’s good or 
> bad.  Coke has always been healthy, right?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:21 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Cc: Chuck McCown 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>  
> We will look for it.  Lactaid milk works a bit.  But I become resistant to it 
> somehow after some time.  It may not be 100% blamed on lactose. 
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:02 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>  
> Have her try getting some A2A2 milk (I think there’s a company actually 
> marketing it) to try in a recipe.  Maybe you can bring the odds to 40/60 or 
> better.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:52 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Cc: Chuck McCown 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>  
> Killer, like pain so bad you hope you can die.  I passed out from it once.  
> But it is a 50/50 proposition.  So I keep doing it to myself. 
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:45 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>  
> It would be interesting (from a scientific observer standpoint with reports 
> of effects of course) to see if you are able to drink milk or eat dairy 
> products from an A2A2 cow.  Apparently many people who are lactose intolerant 
> don’t have issues with it.  Cows can be tested but it’s far more common in 
> some of the “heritage” breeds than in Holsteins.  If it’s killer soup, seems 
> like the roulette would be more of whether you die than diet…..  or did you 
> mean killer in a slang sense?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:12 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Cc: Chuck McCown 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>  
> I used to have to crank my fricking arm off churning butter as a kid.  Hot 
> summer days.  I think it was warm milk from the cow.  Left to set so the 
> cream would separate and then we churned it.  My folks had a cream separator 
> but my brother ran used engine oil through it to see if he could reclaim it.  
> Nope…  We only milked one cow by the time I came along so the separator was 
> not needed.
>  
> Made lotsa cottage cheese too.  Not something I ever ate. 
>  
> I didn’t even like butter back then.  But I did enjoy the manufacturing 
> process.  Severely lactose intolerant.  I still have psychological aversions 
> to eating creamy sauces and soups.  I love them, my wife makes killer 
> mushroom soup.  So it is a bit of Russian roulette as to whether the soup 
> turns into a diet meal or not.  (TMI ?)
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 9:42 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>  
> It will turn to butter typically but it does depend on the temperature of the 
> cream.  Apparently the ideal temp for butter making is to have the cream at 
> 60F (15.5C for those in undeveloped countries).  We used to just pull the 
> cream from the refrigerator and would often have trouble making butter.

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

No man, it's all got to do with cheese. I've been finding out all kinds of
weird shit

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 10:07 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We also had Mormons but we weren’t nice to them and they moved farther
> west.
>
>
>
> Interesting, according to Wikipedia when the Mormons left, they were
> replaced by a socialist commune.
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo,_Illinois
>
>
>
> Sorry, none of this has anything to do with cheese.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> So, found disturbing info. Was looking for natural salt sources in il
> should shtf. Cheese without salt is just rotted milk and imma need cheese.
>
>
>
> Illinois had slaves.
>
>
>
> The saline river in illinois has an interesting story. Slaves in a free
> state, decimation of forests, etc.
>
>
>
> I bet they seasoned a whole lot of cheese with all that salt
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, 12:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> My son drinks Fairlife milk.  AFAIK he is not lactose intolerant, just
> likes it better.  I’m not totally sure what the deal is with it being
> “ultra filtered”, they say it removes most of the sugar, which I assume
> means lactose (milk sugar).  Their website says 50% less sugar, 50% more
> protein.  So if you’re lactose intolerant, taking out half of it probably
> isn’t good enough.
>
>
>
> Looks like Fairlife is now 100% owned by CocaCola, not sure if that’s good
> or bad.  Coke has always been healthy, right?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:21 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> We will look for it.  Lactaid milk works a bit.  But I become resistant to
> it somehow after some time.  It may not be 100% blamed on lactose.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:02 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> Have her try getting some A2A2 milk (I think there’s a company actually
> marketing it) to try in a recipe.  Maybe you can bring the odds to 40/60 or
> better.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:52 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> Killer, like pain so bad you hope you can die.  I passed out from it
> once.  But it is a 50/50 proposition.  So I keep doing it to myself.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:45 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> It would be interesting (from a scientific observer standpoint with
> reports of effects of course) to see if you are able to drink milk or eat
> dairy products from an A2A2 cow.  Apparently many people who are lactose
> intolerant don’t have issues with it.  Cows can be tested but it’s far more
> common in some of the “heritage” breeds than in Holsteins.  If it’s killer
> soup, seems like the roulette would be more of whether you die than
> diet…..  or did you mean killer in a slang sense?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:12 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> I used to have to crank my fricking arm off churning butter as a kid.  Hot
> summer days.  I think it was warm milk from the cow.  Left to set so the
> cream would separate and then we churned it.  My folks had a cream
> separator but my brother ran used engine oil through it to see if he could
> reclaim it.  Nope…  We only milked one cow by the time I came along so the
> separator was not needed.
>
>
>
> Made lotsa cottage cheese too.  Not something I ever ate.
>
>
>
> I didn’t even like butter back then.  But I did enjoy the manufacturing
> process.  Severely lactose intolerant.  I still have psychological
> aversions to eating creamy sauces and soups.  I love them, my wife makes
> killer mushroom soup.  So it is a bit of Russian roulette as to whether the
> soup turns into a diet meal or not.  (TMI ?)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 9:42 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> It will turn to butter typically but it does depend on the temperature of
> the cream.  Apparently the ideal temp for butter making is to have the
> cream at 60F (15.5C for those in undeveloped countries).  We used to just
> pull the cream from the refrigerator and would often have trouble making
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

We also had Mormons but we weren’t nice to them and they moved farther west.

 

Interesting, according to Wikipedia when the Mormons left, they were replaced 
by a socialist commune.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo,_Illinois

 

Sorry, none of this has anything to do with cheese.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

So, found disturbing info. Was looking for natural salt sources in il should 
shtf. Cheese without salt is just rotted milk and imma need cheese.

 

Illinois had slaves.

 

The saline river in illinois has an interesting story. Slaves in a free state, 
decimation of forests, etc.

 

I bet they seasoned a whole lot of cheese with all that salt 

 

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, 12:44 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

My son drinks Fairlife milk.  AFAIK he is not lactose intolerant, just likes it 
better.  I’m not totally sure what the deal is with it being “ultra filtered”, 
they say it removes most of the sugar, which I assume means lactose (milk 
sugar).  Their website says 50% less sugar, 50% more protein.  So if you’re 
lactose intolerant, taking out half of it probably isn’t good enough.

 

Looks like Fairlife is now 100% owned by CocaCola, not sure if that’s good or 
bad.  Coke has always been healthy, right?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:21 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

We will look for it.  Lactaid milk works a bit.  But I become resistant to it 
somehow after some time.  It may not be 100% blamed on lactose.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:02 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

Have her try getting some A2A2 milk (I think there’s a company actually 
marketing it) to try in a recipe.  Maybe you can bring the odds to 40/60 or 
better. 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:52 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

Killer, like pain so bad you hope you can die.  I passed out from it once.  But 
it is a 50/50 proposition.  So I keep doing it to myself.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:45 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

It would be interesting (from a scientific observer standpoint with reports of 
effects of course) to see if you are able to drink milk or eat dairy products 
from an A2A2 cow.  Apparently many people who are lactose intolerant don’t have 
issues with it.  Cows can be tested but it’s far more common in some of the 
“heritage” breeds than in Holsteins.  If it’s killer soup, seems like the 
roulette would be more of whether you die than diet…..  or did you mean killer 
in a slang sense?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:12 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

I used to have to crank my fricking arm off churning butter as a kid.  Hot 
summer days.  I think it was warm milk from the cow.  Left to set so the cream 
would separate and then we churned it.  My folks had a cream separator but my 
brother ran used engine oil through it to see if he could reclaim it.  Nope…  
We only milked one cow by the time I came along so the separator was not needed.

 

Made lotsa cottage cheese too.  Not something I ever ate.  

 

I didn’t even like butter back then.  But I did enjoy the manufacturing 
process.  Severely lactose intolerant.  I still have psychological aversions to 
eating creamy sauces and soups.  I love them, my wife makes killer mushroom 
soup.  So it is a bit of Russian roulette as to whether the soup turns into a 
diet meal or not.  (TMI ?)

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 9:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

 

It will turn to butter typically but it does depend on the temperature of the 
cream.  Apparently the ideal temp for butter making is to have the cream at 60F 
(15.5C for those in undeveloped countries).  We used to just pull the cream 
from the refrigerator and would often have trouble making butter.  Once we 
learned about letting the

Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Was this as abrupt as it feels or did I drop the ball somewhere and miss
something telling me this was coming. I'm on zero linux lists, cause I know
little of linux

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 9:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Well, that blog post seems very persuasive.  Doesn’t mean it’s accurate.
> Why have I never heard of Oracle Linux?  I’m going to assume this is in no
> way an outgrowth of Solaris.
>
>
>
> My perhaps uninformed opinion of Oracle is negative, based on my opinion
> that Larry Ellison is a self-important rich dickhead, and that Oracle buys
> companies to kill them.  Not sure that’s entirely accurate, or relevant to
> evaluating Oracle Linux.
>
>
>
> I am on the mailing list for BlueOnyx which is the successor to the old
> Sun Cobalt web hosting appliances and is built on CentOS.  Michael Stauber
> the main developer said he has a side project to develop a Debian based
> version which has made little progress because moving his development
> environment from spitting out RPMs to DEBs turned out to be a monumental
> undertaking.  Maybe I’ll ask about Oracle Linux on the list.  People there
> will know tons more than me, and are often not shy about stating opinions.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
>
>
> I'm too old for this shit
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 9:22 PM Lincs Chel  wrote:
>
> Hi;
>
> I think another option to consider would be Oracle Linux.  Consider the
> following from their blog, news and website:-
>
>
>- If you are reading this blog, you are probably a CentOS user and are
>in the position where you need to look at alternatives going forward.
>Switching to Oracle Linux is easy.
>
>
>-
>   
> https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/need-a-stable%2c-rhel-compatible-alternative-to-centos-three-reasons-to-consider-oracle-linux
>
>
>- Need a stable, RHEL compatible alternative to CentOS?
>
>
>- https://www.oracle.com/linux/
>
>
>
> Another option if you're using cPanel & WHM is to most likely use them as
> a good guide:-
>
>- cPanel Support For CentOS 8 And More
>
>
>- https://blog.cpanel.com/centos-8-end-of-life-announcement/
>
>
>
> And, if you're coming from the old Cobalt Networks RaQ server era days
> and/or BlueOnyx, they have a good blog, news & comments.  Probably their
> posture may be the best position to take when looking and/or want to
> "marry" with a particular distro which had various roadmaps during their
> history.
>
>
>- BlueOnyx has been available on CentOS since CentOS 5, but as the
>CentOS project never was without issues and unpredictability. Therefore
>we've never been fully "married" to it. It's always been more of a matter
>of convenience than one of choice. We even departed briefly from CentOS
>during the CentOS 6 days and favored Scientific Linux 6 instead. Since then
>we kept our eyes and ears open for alternatives and also contemplated
>contingencies.
>
>
>
>- You are here: Welcome to BlueOnyx» News
>CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
>
>
>-
>   
> https://www.blueonyx.it/news/280/54/CentOS-Project-shifts-focus-to-CentOS-Stream/d,Simplex%20News%20Detail
>
> Based on BlueOnyx website news, they have indicated the original founder
> of CentOS is considering a possible return:-
>
> And like mentioned above: We're not the only ones whom RedHat pulled the
> rug out from under our feet.
>
> In fact Gregory Kurtzer (co-founder of CentOS) had this to say
> :
>
> I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able to
> hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, please
> join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org).
>
> Greg (original founder of CentOS)
>
>
>
> If you've installed and use cnMaestro and Cambium's software on CentOS,
> then the impact may even be more on your operations.  I am guessing
> Cambium's cnMaestro may drop support for CentOS eventually.
>
>
>
> Lincoln
>
>
>
> On 12/12/2020 11:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Mostly. IBM charges quite a bit for it, but they're big blue. Not sure
> what they're getting out of their multi-billion dollar purchase, but we
> would have to sit in their board room to understand their thinking. I
> wouldn't be surprised to see that they are saving money by getting all
> those community developers do the work for next to nothing. Sure cuts down
> on the expenses in the development department.
>
> The only real issue is which version of linux you want hook your wagon to.
> I used Centos for quite a long time; mainly because it was "enterprise".
> Then it go too "enterprise" for my taste, and have since switched to
> Debian. It's the same, but different. Same enough for my taste, and
> down-homey enough for the small operation we are.
>
> NBD.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On

Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Well, that blog post seems very persuasive.  Doesn’t mean it’s accurate.  Why 
have I never heard of Oracle Linux?  I’m going to assume this is in no way an 
outgrowth of Solaris.

 

My perhaps uninformed opinion of Oracle is negative, based on my opinion that 
Larry Ellison is a self-important rich dickhead, and that Oracle buys companies 
to kill them.  Not sure that’s entirely accurate, or relevant to evaluating 
Oracle Linux.

 

I am on the mailing list for BlueOnyx which is the successor to the old Sun 
Cobalt web hosting appliances and is built on CentOS.  Michael Stauber the main 
developer said he has a side project to develop a Debian based version which 
has made little progress because moving his development environment from 
spitting out RPMs to DEBs turned out to be a monumental undertaking.  Maybe 
I’ll ask about Oracle Linux on the list.  People there will know tons more than 
me, and are often not shy about stating opinions.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

 

I'm too old for this shit

 

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 9:22 PM Lincs Chel mailto:lhan...@enc-tech.com> > wrote:

Hi;

I think another option to consider would be Oracle Linux.  Consider the 
following from their blog, news and website:-

*   If you are reading this blog, you are probably a CentOS user and are in 
the position where you need to look at alternatives going forward. Switching to 
Oracle Linux is easy.

*   
https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/need-a-stable%2c-rhel-compatible-alternative-to-centos-three-reasons-to-consider-oracle-linux

*   Need a stable, RHEL compatible alternative to CentOS? 

*   https://www.oracle.com/linux/ 

 

Another option if you're using cPanel & WHM is to most likely use them as a 
good guide:-

*   cPanel Support For CentOS 8 And More

*   https://blog.cpanel.com/centos-8-end-of-life-announcement/ 

 

And, if you're coming from the old Cobalt Networks RaQ server era days and/or 
BlueOnyx, they have a good blog, news & comments.  Probably their posture may 
be the best position to take when looking and/or want to "marry" with a 
particular distro which had various roadmaps during their history.

*   BlueOnyx has been available on CentOS since CentOS 5, but as the CentOS 
project never was without issues and unpredictability. Therefore we've never 
been fully "married" to it. It's always been more of a matter of convenience 
than one of choice. We even departed briefly from CentOS during the CentOS 6 
days and favored Scientific Linux 6 instead. Since then we kept our eyes and 
ears open for alternatives and also contemplated contingencies.

 

*   You are here: Welcome to BlueOnyx» News
CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream 

*   
https://www.blueonyx.it/news/280/54/CentOS-Project-shifts-focus-to-CentOS-Stream/d,Simplex%20News%20Detail
 

Based on BlueOnyx website news, they have indicated the original founder of 
CentOS is considering a possible return:-

And like mentioned above: We're not the only ones whom RedHat pulled the rug 
out from under our feet.

In fact Gregory Kurtzer (co-founder of CentOS) had this to say 
 :

I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able to hire 
some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, please join the 
HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org  ).

Greg (original founder of CentOS)

 

If you've installed and use cnMaestro and Cambium's software on CentOS, then 
the impact may even be more on your operations.  I am guessing Cambium's 
cnMaestro may drop support for CentOS eventually.

 

Lincoln

 

On 12/12/2020 11:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Mostly. IBM charges quite a bit for it, but they're big blue. Not sure what 
they're getting out of their multi-billion dollar purchase, but we would have 
to sit in their board room to understand their thinking. I wouldn't be 
surprised to see that they are saving money by getting all those community 
developers do the work for next to nothing. Sure cuts down on the expenses in 
the development department.

The only real issue is which version of linux you want hook your wagon to. I 
used Centos for quite a long time; mainly because it was "enterprise". Then it 
go too "enterprise" for my taste, and have since switched to Debian. It's the 
same, but different. Same enough for my taste, and down-homey enough for the 
small operation we are. 

NBD.

 

bp


On 12/12/2020 8:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Linux... linux is free... right?

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 8:39 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

 

I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when IBM 
acquired RedHat.

 

From: AF    On

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

So, found disturbing info. Was looking for natural salt sources in il
should shtf. Cheese without salt is just rotted milk and imma need cheese.

Illinois had slaves.

The saline river in illinois has an interesting story. Slaves in a free
state, decimation of forests, etc.

I bet they seasoned a whole lot of cheese with all that salt

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, 12:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> My son drinks Fairlife milk.  AFAIK he is not lactose intolerant, just
> likes it better.  I’m not totally sure what the deal is with it being
> “ultra filtered”, they say it removes most of the sugar, which I assume
> means lactose (milk sugar).  Their website says 50% less sugar, 50% more
> protein.  So if you’re lactose intolerant, taking out half of it probably
> isn’t good enough.
>
>
>
> Looks like Fairlife is now 100% owned by CocaCola, not sure if that’s good
> or bad.  Coke has always been healthy, right?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:21 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> We will look for it.  Lactaid milk works a bit.  But I become resistant to
> it somehow after some time.  It may not be 100% blamed on lactose.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:02 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> Have her try getting some A2A2 milk (I think there’s a company actually
> marketing it) to try in a recipe.  Maybe you can bring the odds to 40/60 or
> better.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:52 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> Killer, like pain so bad you hope you can die.  I passed out from it
> once.  But it is a 50/50 proposition.  So I keep doing it to myself.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:45 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> It would be interesting (from a scientific observer standpoint with
> reports of effects of course) to see if you are able to drink milk or eat
> dairy products from an A2A2 cow.  Apparently many people who are lactose
> intolerant don’t have issues with it.  Cows can be tested but it’s far more
> common in some of the “heritage” breeds than in Holsteins.  If it’s killer
> soup, seems like the roulette would be more of whether you die than
> diet…..  or did you mean killer in a slang sense?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:12 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> I used to have to crank my fricking arm off churning butter as a kid.  Hot
> summer days.  I think it was warm milk from the cow.  Left to set so the
> cream would separate and then we churned it.  My folks had a cream
> separator but my brother ran used engine oil through it to see if he could
> reclaim it.  Nope…  We only milked one cow by the time I came along so the
> separator was not needed.
>
>
>
> Made lotsa cottage cheese too.  Not something I ever ate.
>
>
>
> I didn’t even like butter back then.  But I did enjoy the manufacturing
> process.  Severely lactose intolerant.  I still have psychological
> aversions to eating creamy sauces and soups.  I love them, my wife makes
> killer mushroom soup.  So it is a bit of Russian roulette as to whether the
> soup turns into a diet meal or not.  (TMI ?)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 9:42 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> It will turn to butter typically but it does depend on the temperature of
> the cream.  Apparently the ideal temp for butter making is to have the
> cream at 60F (15.5C for those in undeveloped countries).  We used to just
> pull the cream from the refrigerator and would often have trouble making
> butter.  Once we learned about letting the cream warm to the proper temp,
> it also greatly reduces the amount of time that it takes to make butter and
> I can usually get one of the kids to do it now.  Cleaning the buttermilk
> from the butter so that it doesn’t go sour quickly is actually more work
> than making it……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:27 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole
>
>
>
> Where I am heavy cream is relatively cheap. I can find Kroger brand for
> $0.99/pint and sometimes can find a quart for $1.49. Of course it is more
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

We need to have scotus do their damn job and get case law. If they keep
punting for politics it will get stupid. This team when one snaps out you
dont get some cross dresser popping through a crowd to bike lock someone
and scurrying off, you get Oklahoma city. They need to shut the shit down
or pay the cost of the product they purchased.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 6:24 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Deep within this troll, the force runs.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/12/2020 4:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Yes, thank you.
>
>
>
> I don’t know what was more bizarre, that music video, or Chuck being the
> one who sent it.  Who knew.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 5:55 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
>
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/12/2020 2:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Is there a mind blown emoji?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: AF   On Behalf Of 
> Chuck McCown via AF
>
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 4:30 PM
>
> To: af@af.afmug.com
>
> Cc: Chuck McCown  
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/yModCU1OVHY
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Bill Prince
>
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:28 PM
>
> To: af@af.afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
>
>
> First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:
>
>
>
> https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en
>
>  
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields
>
> lots of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs,
>
> none of which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it
>
> means cra-cra?
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: AF   On Behalf Of 
> Robert Andrews
>
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
>
> To: af@af.afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
>
>
> This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular
>
> people into the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up
>
> before.
>
>
>
> On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in
>
> the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another
>
> state's election results.
>
>
>
> The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
>
>
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> AF mailing list
>
> AF@af.afmug.com
>
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> AF mailing list
>
> AF@af.afmug.com
>
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

I'm too old for this shit

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 9:22 PM Lincs Chel  wrote:

> Hi;
>
> I think another option to consider would be Oracle Linux.  Consider the
> following from their blog, news and website:-
>
>-
>
>If you are reading this blog, you are probably a CentOS user and are
>in the position where you need to look at alternatives going forward.
>Switching to Oracle Linux is easy.
>
>-
>   
> https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/need-a-stable%2c-rhel-compatible-alternative-to-centos-three-reasons-to-consider-oracle-linux
>-
>
>Need a stable, RHEL compatible alternative to CentOS?
>
>- https://www.oracle.com/linux/
>
>
> Another option if you're using cPanel & WHM is to most likely use them as
> a good guide:-
>
>- cPanel Support For CentOS 8 And More
>- https://blog.cpanel.com/centos-8-end-of-life-announcement/
>
>
> And, if you're coming from the old Cobalt Networks RaQ server era days
> and/or BlueOnyx, they have a good blog, news & comments.  Probably their
> posture may be the best position to take when looking and/or want to
> "marry" with a particular distro which had various roadmaps during their
> history.
>
>-
>
>BlueOnyx has been available on CentOS since CentOS 5, but as the
>CentOS project never was without issues and unpredictability. Therefore
>we've never been fully "married" to it. It's always been more of a matter
>of convenience than one of choice. We even departed briefly from CentOS
>during the CentOS 6 days and favored Scientific Linux 6 instead. Since then
>we kept our eyes and ears open for alternatives and also contemplated
>contingencies.
>
>
>- You are here: Welcome to BlueOnyx» News
>CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
>-
>   
> https://www.blueonyx.it/news/280/54/CentOS-Project-shifts-focus-to-CentOS-Stream/d,Simplex%20News%20Detail
>
> Based on BlueOnyx website news, they have indicated the original founder
> of CentOS is considering a possible return:-
>
> And like mentioned above: We're not the only ones whom RedHat pulled the
> rug out from under our feet.
>
> In fact Gregory Kurtzer (co-founder of CentOS) had this to say
> :
>
> I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able to
> hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, please
> join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org).
>
> Greg (original founder of CentOS)
>
>
> If you've installed and use cnMaestro and Cambium's software on CentOS,
> then the impact may even be more on your operations.  I am guessing
> Cambium's cnMaestro may drop support for CentOS eventually.
>
>
> Lincoln
>
>
> On 12/12/2020 11:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Mostly. IBM charges quite a bit for it, but they're big blue. Not sure
> what they're getting out of their multi-billion dollar purchase, but we
> would have to sit in their board room to understand their thinking. I
> wouldn't be surprised to see that they are saving money by getting all
> those community developers do the work for next to nothing. Sure cuts down
> on the expenses in the development department.
>
> The only real issue is which version of linux you want hook your wagon to.
> I used Centos for quite a long time; mainly because it was "enterprise".
> Then it go too "enterprise" for my taste, and have since switched to
> Debian. It's the same, but different. Same enough for my taste, and
> down-homey enough for the small operation we are.
>
> NBD.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/12/2020 8:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Linux... linux is free... right?
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 8:39 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
>
> I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when IBM
> acquired RedHat.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
>
>
> Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a
> year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use.
> 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right
>
>
>
> I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly
> ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource
> and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum.
>
>
>
> Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the
> linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution.
>
>
>
> This just stinks, I had my centos process down.
>
>
>
> Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep
> patching and saying they mean it this time for years?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Supposedly there will be CentOS

Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

2020-12-12 Thread Lincs Chel

Hi;

I think another option to consider would be Oracle Linux. Consider the
following from their blog, news and website:-

If you are reading this blog, you are probably a CentOS user and
are in the position where you need to look at alternatives going
forward. Switching to Oracle Linux is easy.

o
https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/need-a-stable%2c-rhel-compatible-alternative-to-centos-three-reasons-to-consider-oracle-linux
*
Need a stable, RHEL compatible alternative to CentOS?

o https://www.oracle.com/linux/

Another option if you're using cPanel & WHM is to most likely use them
as a good guide:-

* cPanel Support For CentOS 8 And More
o https://blog.cpanel.com/centos-8-end-of-life-announcement/

And, if you're coming from the old Cobalt Networks RaQ server era days
and/or BlueOnyx, they have a good blog, news & comments. Probably their
posture may be the best position to take when looking and/or want to
"marry" with a particular distro which had various roadmaps during their
history.

BlueOnyx has been available on CentOS since CentOS 5, but as the
CentOS project never was without issues and unpredictability.
Therefore we've never been fully "married" to it. It's always been
more of a matter of convenience than one of choice. We even
departed briefly from CentOS during the CentOS 6 days and favored
Scientific Linux 6 instead. Since then we kept our eyes and ears
open for alternatives and also contemplated contingencies.

* You are here: Welcome to BlueOnyx» News
CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
o
https://www.blueonyx.it/news/280/54/CentOS-Project-shifts-focus-to-CentOS-Stream/d,Simplex%20News%20Detail

Based on BlueOnyx website news, they have indicated the original founder
of CentOS is considering a possible return:-

And like mentioned above: We're not the only ones whom RedHat
pulled the rug out from under our feet.

In fact Gregory Kurtzer (co-founder of CentOS) had this to say
:

I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even
be able to hire some people for this effort. If you are
interested in helping, please join the HPCng slack (link on
the website hpcng.org).

Greg (original founder of CentOS)

If you've installed and use cnMaestro and Cambium's software on CentOS,
then the impact may even be more on your operations. I am guessing
Cambium's cnMaestro may drop support for CentOS eventually.

Lincoln

On 12/12/2020 11:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Mostly. IBM charges quite a bit for it, but they're big blue. Not sure
what they're getting out of their multi-billion dollar purchase, but
we would have to sit in their board room to understand their thinking.
I wouldn't be surprised to see that they are saving money by getting
all those community developers do the work for next to nothing. Sure
cuts down on the expenses in the development department.

The only real issue is which version of linux you want hook your wagon
to. I used Centos for quite a long time; mainly because it was
"enterprise". Then it go too "enterprise" for my taste, and have since
switched to Debian. It's the same, but different. Same enough for my
taste, and down-homey enough for the small operation we are.

NBD.

On 12/12/2020 8:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Linux... linux is free... right?
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 8:39 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when
IBM acquired RedHat.

*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at
350 a year per server, physical server only, and not intended for
production use. 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right

I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading
correctly ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's
all opensource and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably
doable, but no yum.

Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume
the linux community will bring about a comparable solution or
resolution.

This just stinks, I had my centos process down.

Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep
patching and saying they mean it this time for years?

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof wrote:

Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream? Kind of like RHEL beta
instead of RHEL day old bread. I guess their answer would be if
you are using it in a production environment you could always pay
for RHEL. Or there’s Fedora. I believe Preseem runs on Fedora.

Re: [AFMUG] Intriguing

China doesnt fuck around. Theyll scramble egg a brain.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

>
> https://phys.org/news/2020-12-scientists-embassies-high-power-microwaves-weapons.html
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https://phys.org/news/2020-12-scientists-embassies-high-power-microwaves-weapons.html
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Re: [AFMUG] Starship SN9


  
  
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyDEb_WCx_s

bp

On 12/12/2020 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
What’s the deal with SN9, something about
  it was tipped and leaning against the wall of the building?
 
Starship Stakeout: SpaceX Teams
Attempt to Save Starship SN9 - YouTube
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Starship SN9


  
  
One of the legs or a support or something let go. There was a
  video yesterday (I think) that caught the action when it tipped.


bp

On 12/12/2020 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
What’s the deal with SN9, something about
  it was tipped and leaning against the wall of the building?
 
Starship Stakeout: SpaceX Teams
Attempt to Save Starship SN9 - YouTube
  
  
  

  


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[AFMUG] Starship SN9

What's the deal with SN9, something about it was tipped and leaning against
the wall of the building?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots


  
  
Deep within this troll, the force runs.   



bp

On 12/12/2020 4:10 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Yes, thank you.
 
I don’t know what was more bizarre, that
  music video, or Chuck being the one who sent it.  Who knew.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 5:55 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
  

 

 
bp


  On 12/12/2020 2:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  Is there a mind blown emoji?
   
  -Original Message-
  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 4:30 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
   
  https://youtu.be/yModCU1OVHY
   
  -Original Message-
  From: Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:28 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
   
  First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:
   
  https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en
  
   
   
  bp
  
   
  On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields 
lots of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, 
none of which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it 
means cra-cra?
 
 
-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
 
This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular 
people into the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up 
before.
 
On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

  The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in 
  the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another 
  state's election results.
   
  The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
   
   
  bp
  
   
  On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
  
All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
 
 
  
   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

I have seen them live.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

My kids made me a fan.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, thank you.
>  
> I don’t know what was more bizarre, that music video, or Chuck being the one 
> who sent it.  Who knew.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 5:55 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
> On 12/12/2020 2:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Is there a mind blown emoji?
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 4:30 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Cc: Chuck McCown 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>  
> https://youtu.be/yModCU1OVHY
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:28 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>  
> First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:
>  
> https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en
> 
>  
>  
> bp
> 
>  
> On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields 
> lots of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, 
> none of which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it 
> means cra-cra?
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>  
> This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular 
> people into the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up 
> before.
>  
> On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in 
> the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another 
> state's election results.
>  
> The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
>  
>  
> bp
> 
>  
> On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots


  
  
Not just bizarre. Just completely banana pants.


bp

On 12/12/2020 4:10 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Yes, thank you.
 
I don’t know what was more bizarre, that
  music video, or Chuck being the one who sent it.  Who knew.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 5:55 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
  

 

 
bp


  On 12/12/2020 2:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  Is there a mind blown emoji?
   
  -Original Message-
  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 4:30 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
   
  https://youtu.be/yModCU1OVHY
   
  -Original Message-
  From: Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:28 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
   
  First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:
   
  https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en
  
   
   
  bp
  
   
  On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields 
lots of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, 
none of which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it 
means cra-cra?
 
 
-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
 
This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular 
people into the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up 
before.
 
On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

  The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in 
  the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another 
  state's election results.
   
  The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
   
   
  bp
  
   
  On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
  
All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
 
 
  
   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

Yes, thank you.

 

I don’t know what was more bizarre, that music video, or Chuck being the one 
who sent it.  Who knew.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 5:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

 



 

bp


On 12/12/2020 2:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Is there a mind blown emoji?
 
-Original Message-
From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 4:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Cc: Chuck McCown   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
 
https://youtu.be/yModCU1OVHY
 
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:28 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
 
First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:
 
https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en
  

 
 
bp

 
On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields 
lots of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, 
none of which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it 
means cra-cra?
 
 
-Original Message-
From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
 
This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular 
people into the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up 
before.
 
On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in 
the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another 
state's election results.
 
The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
 
 
bp

 
On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
 
 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots


  
  



bp

On 12/12/2020 2:55 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  Is there a mind blown emoji?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 4:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

https://youtu.be/yModCU1OVHY

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:28 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:

https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en



bp


On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  
I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields 
lots of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, 
none of which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it 
means cra-cra?


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular 
people into the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up 
before.

On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


  The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in 
the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another 
state's election results.

The suit was what I would call banana-pants.


bp


On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  
All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...



  
  


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[AFMUG] OT - flamethrower drone

Flamethrower drone incinerates wasp nests in China (apnews.com)
 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

Is there a mind blown emoji?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 4:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

https://youtu.be/yModCU1OVHY

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:28 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:

https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en



bp


On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields 
> lots of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, 
> none of which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it 
> means cra-cra?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
> This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular 
> people into the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up 
> before.
>
> On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in 
>> the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another 
>> state's election results.
>>
>> The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots


or maybe this one courtesy Harry Belafonte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYYkJ0kwNss 



bp


On 12/12/2020 2:30 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

https://youtu.be/yModCU1OVHY

-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:28 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:

https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en



bp


On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search 
yields lots
of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, 
none of

which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it means cra-cra?


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular 
people into

the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.

On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in
the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another
state's election results.

The suit was what I would call banana-pants.


bp


On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

Lol, "laughs in chinese, comrade" translated to traditional Chinese in
google translate translates back to "gay laugh" ... fitting for the
incoming administration.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 4:37 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> 同志大笑
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/yModCU1OVHY
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:28 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>>
>> First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en
>> 
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields
>> > lots
>> > of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, none
>> of
>> > which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it means cra-cra?
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
>> > To: af@af.afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>> >
>> > This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular people
>> > into
>> > the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.
>> >
>> > On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >> The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in
>> >> the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another
>> >> state's election results.
>> >>
>> >> The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> >>> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

Yep it does ..

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Loyalty means a different thing to him.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
> The One Term Impeached Lame Duck Loser is going bat shit crazy today
> ..might even fire Barr...
> He throws everyone under the bus...
> Viejo pendejo
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> They're probably like banana hammocks, just small
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields
>>> lots
>>> of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, none of
>>> which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it means cra-cra?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>>>
>>> This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular people
>>> into
>>> the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> > The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in
>>> > the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another
>>> > state's election results.
>>> >
>>> > The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> > On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> >> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

同志大笑


On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> https://youtu.be/yModCU1OVHY
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:28 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
> First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:
>
> https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en
> 
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields
> > lots
> > of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, none of
> > which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it means cra-cra?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
> >
> > This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular people
> > into
> > the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.
> >
> > On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in
> >> the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another
> >> state's election results.
> >>
> >> The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> >>> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

https://youtu.be/yModCU1OVHY

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:28 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:

https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en

bp

On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields 
lots

of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, none of
which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it means cra-cra?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular people 
into

the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.

On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in
the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another
state's election results.

The suit was what I would call banana-pants.

bp

On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots


First place I heard it was from Molly Wood on Make Me Smart:

https://twitter.com/mollywood/status/1169705055194247168?lang=en 




bp


On 12/12/2020 12:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields lots
of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, none of
which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it means cra-cra?


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular people into
the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.

On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in
the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another
state's election results.

The suit was what I would call banana-pants.


bp


On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

Loyalty means a different thing to him.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

The One Term Impeached Lame Duck Loser is going bat shit crazy today ..might 
even fire Barr... 
He throws everyone under the bus...
Viejo pendejo 

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:27 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  They're probably like banana hammocks, just small

  On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields lots
of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, none of
which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it means cra-cra?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular people into
the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.

On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in 
> the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another 
> state's election results.
> 
> The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
>>
>>
> 
> 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

Epic

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 2:56 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> The One Term Impeached Lame Duck Loser is going bat shit crazy today
> ..might even fire Barr...
> He throws everyone under the bus...
> Viejo pendejo
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> They're probably like banana hammocks, just small
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields
>>> lots
>>> of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, none of
>>> which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it means cra-cra?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>>>
>>> This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular people
>>> into
>>> the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> > The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in
>>> > the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another
>>> > state's election results.
>>> >
>>> > The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> > On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> >> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

The One Term Impeached Lame Duck Loser is going bat shit crazy today
..might even fire Barr...
He throws everyone under the bus...
Viejo pendejo

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:27 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> They're probably like banana hammocks, just small
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields
>> lots
>> of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, none of
>> which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it means cra-cra?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>>
>> This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular people
>> into
>> the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.
>>
>> On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> > The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in
>> > the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another
>> > state's election results.
>> >
>> > The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> > On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> >> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - British foods

Yeah, I did it.  But you did it first.  
I just got shown an ad for some kind of Illinois tax law while watching Gold 
Rush... ?\

(I do like Mushy Peas, kinda like super thick split pea soup).

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 12:26 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - British foods

So I just got shown an ad for canned Mushy Peas.  They also thought I’d be 
interested in baked beans (spelled “beanz”) on toast, or maybe some nice frozen 
bangers or black pudding.  What’s the matter with those people, who would eat 
such things?  Or become an expat and miss those foods?

Chuck, I’m sure you’re somehow behind this, I just haven’t figured out how.  
Something I read or clicked on from this list must have convinced the 
algorithms I was hungry for disgusting British foods.  Usually it results in 
ads for stuff like vacuum excavators and fiber splicers.

British Food Depot - Shop For British Foods In The USA

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

They're probably like banana hammocks, just small

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields lots
> of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, none of
> which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it means cra-cra?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
> This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular people
> into
> the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.
>
> On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in
> > the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another
> > state's election results.
> >
> > The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> >> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Cambium would have had to violate the eula to rewrite the firmware. Since
cambium didnt design a hardware flashing method for end users that didnt
involve accessing the existing software (even the tftp) it required eula
violations each time.

Cambium are pretty smart people top to bottom, this settlement was probably
built into the manufacturing costs, and since it generates press they
probably have a slick accountant writing it off as a marketing expense.

They slow rolled through court to where any negative judgement wouldnt
impact future sales to any notable degree. It's just like an election, if
you do cheat, all you have to do is make it to an inauguration and it's
done. They made it past the point it was a marketable product and then ate
their cereal.

It was pretty slick and well run marketing. Look how many people went from
cheap ass ubnt gear to epmp are now running 450. I'd be curious to see how
many elevate operators went with 450 3ghz because they slowly became a
cambium shop without even realizing it. They started with ubnt that needs
babysitting, went to epmp because elevate made it a cost effective breeze
to migrate a whole pop over time to a better solution and found how little
the hardware itself needs babysat (gps exluded), epmp kept revisioning with
clean no forklift pop upgrades. This ease and reliability got cambiums foot
in the door for 450. Cbrs came along requiring a hardware migration, people
touched a bunch of pita lte solutions, cambium offered a product that just
worked, worked really well, and was familiar (it's why we dropped our lte
expedition).
We wont ever know what cambium paid, but I bet at the end of the day the
market share they otherwise wouldnt have acquired makes the settlement
pocket change.
Hope it was enough for ubnt to at least get a football team.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 12:23 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> IIRC, when a user buys a Ubnt radio and first logs in to it, they must
> click a checkmark that they agree to an EULA. I assume that it's referring
> to that, that Cambium is "making" users violate it.
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 11:58 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Why would Cambium have an EUA agreement with UBNT?  It is their radio.
>> If they allow users to flash it, they are not doing anything wrong.
>>
>> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit
>> with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
>>
>> Violated the EUA which said you can’t load other software in the radio.
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Not sure on the details, but the allegation was that they "reverse
>> engineered" Ubiquiti's off-the-shelf hardware.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 12/12/2020 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit
>> with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
>>
>> I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite
>> them. Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of
>> customers they rolled over
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US=US=US%3Aen
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

I was not familiar with the term banana-pants.  A Google search yields lots
of results, mostly photos of banana pants, as well as some songs, none of
which shed much light on the subject for me.  I assume it means cra-cra?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular people into
the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.

On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in 
> the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another 
> state's election results.
> 
> The suit was what I would call banana-pants.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...
>>
>>
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - British foods

This is why we had to shoot so many of them back then, we didnt actually
carr about taxes, we just wanted good food and we had already hooked up
with mexico and they were feeding us like champs. Little known fact that
mexico was behind the revolutionary war. It was the war for independence it
was the war for in dependence of mexico for tasty eats, but that was too
long of a name and revisionists rewrote history

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:27 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> So I just got shown an ad for canned Mushy Peas.  They also thought I’d be
> interested in baked beans (spelled “beanz”) on toast, or maybe some nice
> frozen bangers or black pudding.  What’s the matter with those people, who
> would eat such things?  Or become an expat and miss those foods?
>
>
>
> Chuck, I’m sure you’re somehow behind this, I just haven’t figured out
> how.  Something I read or clicked on from this list must have convinced the
> algorithms I was hungry for disgusting British foods.  Usually it results
> in ads for stuff like vacuum excavators and fiber splicers.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

2020-12-12 Thread Robert Andrews

This was similar to how the south leaders hauled all the regular people 
into the civil war.  Yes they did a good job stirring things up before.


On 12/12/2020 11:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens in the 
states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue another state's 
election results.


The suit was what I would call banana-pants.


bp


On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...







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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

2020-12-12 Thread Robert Andrews

I believe the lawsuit was at the ISP and cambium was an enabling party.. 
 So this was really Ubnt being all the nastiest it could be.  What 
happened to the ISP is probably the real story here.


On 12/12/2020 10:58 AM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
If the roles were reversed and UBNT reverse engineered software that 
they could flash onto Cambium SMs to connect to UBNT APs, do we think 
Cambium would not sue UBNT?


On Dec 12, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Jaime Solorza > wrote:


If I buy a radio , I consider it my property...I feel I can do 
whatever I want with it as long as I don't , let's say increase tx 
power over legal limits or open up the frequency bands like an 
Ubiquiti 2.4 GHz radio I bought once that had 2.3 to 2 7GHz frequencies...



On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:


So who is who here.  I guess I am UBNT?
Paint my mounts sounds like flash my radio with the code of others.
So UBNT could legally claim you cannot put Cambium code in their
radios?
So were UBNT customers putting Cambium software in UBNT radios?
Or were people putting UBNT software in Cambium radios?
I remember it happening at the time.  I just don’t remember any
details.
The article says that the settlement involved Cambium paying UBNT.
Assuming that is correct, the Cambium must have done something wrong.
*From:* Craig Schmaderer
*Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:02 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a
lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your
mounts after I buy them, and I decide to paint them blue using
Rustoleum paint, you would sue Rustoleum and I for breaking your
EUA



*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a
lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware



I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do
wrong?



*From:*Steve Jones 

*Sent:*Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a
lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware



I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to
spite them. Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the
volume of customers they rolled over



On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza
 wrote:


https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US=US=US%3Aen

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[AFMUG] OT - British foods

So I just got shown an ad for canned Mushy Peas.  They also thought I'd be
interested in baked beans (spelled "beanz") on toast, or maybe some nice
frozen bangers or black pudding.  What's the matter with those people, who
would eat such things?  Or become an expat and miss those foods?

 

Chuck, I'm sure you're somehow behind this, I just haven't figured out how.
Something I read or clicked on from this list must have convinced the
algorithms I was hungry for disgusting British foods.  Usually it results in
ads for stuff like vacuum excavators and fiber splicers.

 

British Food Depot - Shop For British Foods In The USA
 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots


  
  
The people who should really be looking at this are the citizens
  in the states who think it's appropriate for their AG to sue
  another state's election results. 

The suit was what I would call banana-pants.


bp

On 12/11/2020 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from
the SCOTUS...


  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

The John Deere right to repair would lead me to belive I can mess with things.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

If I buy a radio , I consider it my property...I feel I can do whatever I want 
with it as long as I don't , let's say increase tx power over legal limits or 
open up the frequency bands like an Ubiquiti 2.4 GHz radio I bought once that 
had 2.3 to 2 7GHz frequencies... 

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  So who is who here.  I guess I am UBNT?  
  Paint my mounts sounds like flash my radio with the code of others.  
  So UBNT could legally claim you cannot put Cambium code in their radios?

  So were UBNT customers putting Cambium software in UBNT radios?
  Or were people putting UBNT software in Cambium radios?

  I remember it happening at the time.  I just don’t remember any details.  
  The article says that the settlement involved Cambium paying UBNT.  
  Assuming that is correct, the Cambium must have done something wrong.  

  From: Craig Schmaderer 
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:02 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

  Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your mounts after I 
buy them, and I decide to paint them blue using Rustoleum paint, you would sue 
Rustoleum and I for breaking your EUA

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

  I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

  From: Steve Jones 

  Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

  I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

  On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US=US=US%3Aen

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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

2020-12-12 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

If the roles were reversed and UBNT reverse engineered software that they could 
flash onto Cambium SMs to connect to UBNT APs, do we think Cambium would not 
sue UBNT?

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> If I buy a radio , I consider it my property...I feel I can do whatever I 
> want with it as long as I don't , let's say increase tx power over legal 
> limits or open up the frequency bands like an Ubiquiti 2.4 GHz radio I bought 
> once that had 2.3 to 2 7GHz frequencies...
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF  > wrote:
> So who is who here.  I guess I am UBNT? 
> Paint my mounts sounds like flash my radio with the code of others. 
> So UBNT could legally claim you cannot put Cambium code in their radios?
>  
> So were UBNT customers putting Cambium software in UBNT radios?
> Or were people putting UBNT software in Cambium radios?
>  
> I remember it happening at the time.  I just don’t remember any details. 
> The article says that the settlement involved Cambium paying UBNT. 
> Assuming that is correct, the Cambium must have done something wrong. 
>  
>  
>  
> From: Craig Schmaderer <>
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:02 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
> Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
>  
> Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your mounts after I 
> buy them, and I decide to paint them blue using Rustoleum paint, you would 
> sue Rustoleum and I for breaking your EUA
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Chuck McCown via AF
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
> Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
> 
>  
> 
> I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?
> 
>  
> 
> From: Steve Jones
> 
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
> 
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
> Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
> 
>  
> 
> I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
> Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
> rolled over
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza > 
> wrote:
> 
> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US=US=US%3Aen
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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

If I buy a radio , I consider it my property...I feel I can do whatever I
want with it as long as I don't , let's say increase tx power over legal
limits or open up the frequency bands like an Ubiquiti 2.4 GHz radio I
bought once that had 2.3 to 2 7GHz frequencies...


On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> So who is who here.  I guess I am UBNT?
> Paint my mounts sounds like flash my radio with the code of others.
> So UBNT could legally claim you cannot put Cambium code in their radios?
>
> So were UBNT customers putting Cambium software in UBNT radios?
> Or were people putting UBNT software in Cambium radios?
>
> I remember it happening at the time.  I just don’t remember any details.
> The article says that the settlement involved Cambium paying UBNT.
> Assuming that is correct, the Cambium must have done something wrong.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Schmaderer
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:02 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit
> with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
>
>
> Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your mounts after
> I buy them, and I decide to paint them blue using Rustoleum paint, you
> would sue Rustoleum and I for breaking your EUA
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit
> with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
>
>
>
> I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit
> with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
>
>
>
> I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite
> them. Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of
> customers they rolled over
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>
> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US=US=US%3Aen
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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

2020-12-12 Thread Craig Schmaderer

Yes you are Ubnt.   Ubnt customers were flashing cambium elevate software on M 
radios and using them on cambium ePMP access points, (the real reason this 
pissed ubnt off was the fact that cambium was able to make their M hardware 
work way better with software)

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 12:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

So who is who here.  I guess I am UBNT?
Paint my mounts sounds like flash my radio with the code of others.
So UBNT could legally claim you cannot put Cambium code in their radios?

So were UBNT customers putting Cambium software in UBNT radios?
Or were people putting UBNT software in Cambium radios?

I remember it happening at the time.  I just don’t remember any details.
The article says that the settlement involved Cambium paying UBNT.
Assuming that is correct, the Cambium must have done something wrong.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your mounts after I buy 
them, and I decide to paint them blue using Rustoleum paint, you would sue 
Rustoleum and I for breaking your EUA

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

2020-12-12 Thread Robert


wasn't it the boot code that was the reverse engineering?

On 12/12/20 9:42 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Not sure on the details, but the allegation was that they "reverse 
engineered" Ubiquiti's off-the-shelf hardware.



bp

On 12/12/2020 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a 
lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to 
spite them. Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the 
volume of customers they rolled over
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:



https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US=US=US%3Aen



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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

2020-12-12 Thread Colin Stanners

IIRC, when a user buys a Ubnt radio and first logs in to it, they must
click a checkmark that they agree to an EULA. I assume that it's referring
to that, that Cambium is "making" users violate it.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 11:58 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Why would Cambium have an EUA agreement with UBNT?  It is their radio.  If
> they allow users to flash it, they are not doing anything wrong.
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit
> with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
>
> Violated the EUA which said you can’t load other software in the radio.
>
> On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Not sure on the details, but the allegation was that they "reverse
> engineered" Ubiquiti's off-the-shelf hardware.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/12/2020 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit
> with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
>
> I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite
> them. Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of
> customers they rolled over
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US=US=US%3Aen
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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

So who is who here.  I guess I am UBNT?  
Paint my mounts sounds like flash my radio with the code of others.  
So UBNT could legally claim you cannot put Cambium code in their radios?

So were UBNT customers putting Cambium software in UBNT radios?
Or were people putting UBNT software in Cambium radios?

I remember it happening at the time.  I just don’t remember any details.  
The article says that the settlement involved Cambium paying UBNT.  
Assuming that is correct, the Cambium must have done something wrong.  



From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your mounts after I buy 
them, and I decide to paint them blue using Rustoleum paint, you would sue 
Rustoleum and I for breaking your EUA

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

 

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

 

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I do remember poking certain ram locations and turning SMs into APs...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:02 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Well, your hacked Motorola SMs with your Stingers, right?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

 

Why would Cambium have an EUA agreement with UBNT?  It is their radio.  If they 
allow users to flash it, they are not doing anything wrong.  

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:44 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

 

Violated the EUA which said you can’t load other software in the radio. 





  On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

   

  Not sure on the details, but the allegation was that they "reverse 
engineered" Ubiquiti's off-the-shelf hardware.

   

bpOn 12/12/2020 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

 

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite 
them. Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers 
they rolled over

 

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wrote:

  
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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

And Texas would sue you for choosing blue.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

 

Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your mounts after I buy 
them, and I decide to paint them blue using Rustoleum paint, you would sue 
Rustoleum and I for breaking your EUA

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

 

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

 

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

 

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza < 
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

 
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US=US=US%3Aen
 

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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

2020-12-12 Thread Craig Schmaderer

Sssh, that is a secret.Lol

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 12:03 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Well, your hacked Motorola SMs with your Stingers, right?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Why would Cambium have an EUA agreement with UBNT?  It is their radio.  If they 
allow users to flash it, they are not doing anything wrong.

From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Violated the EUA which said you can’t load other software in the radio.

On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Not sure on the details, but the allegation was that they "reverse engineered" 
Ubiquiti's off-the-shelf hardware.

bp

On 12/12/2020 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Well, your hacked Motorola SMs with your Stingers, right?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Why would Cambium have an EUA agreement with UBNT?  It is their radio.  If they 
allow users to flash it, they are not doing anything wrong.  

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:44 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Violated the EUA which said you can’t load other software in the radio. 

On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not sure on the details, but the allegation was that they "reverse engineered" 
Ubiquiti's off-the-shelf hardware.

bp

On 12/12/2020 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

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https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US

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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

2020-12-12 Thread Craig Schmaderer

Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your mounts after I buy 
them, and I decide to paint them blue using Rustoleum paint, you would sue 
Rustoleum and I for breaking your EUA

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

What ever happened to BLIP which was an actual end user?  Did Ubiquiti drop 
them from the lawsuit?

 

I wonder what public relations genius said “let’s sue one of our customers, how 
about a little company in southern Illinois named BLIP, how could that possibly 
look bad?”

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

 

Violated the EUA which said you can’t load other software in the radio. 





On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Not sure on the details, but the allegation was that they "reverse engineered" 
Ubiquiti's off-the-shelf hardware.

 

bp


On 12/12/2020 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

 

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Why would Cambium have an EUA agreement with UBNT?  It is their radio.  If they 
allow users to flash it, they are not doing anything wrong.  

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Violated the EUA which said you can’t load other software in the radio. 

  On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  Not sure on the details, but the allegation was that they "reverse 
engineered" Ubiquiti's off-the-shelf hardware.

bp
On 12/12/2020 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite 
them. Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers 
they rolled over

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wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

2020-12-12 Thread Matt Hoppes

Violated the EUA which said you can’t load other software in the radio. 

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not sure on the details, but the allegation was that they "reverse 
> engineered" Ubiquiti's off-the-shelf hardware.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> On 12/12/2020 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?
>>  
>> From: Steve Jones
>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
>> Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware
>>  
>> I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite 
>> them. Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of 
>> customers they rolled over
>>  
>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza  
>> wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware


  
  
Not sure on the details, but the allegation was that they
  "reverse engineered" Ubiquiti's off-the-shelf hardware.


bp

On 12/12/2020 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  I never understood the argument.  What exactly did
Cambium do wrong?
  

   
  
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium
  Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for
  selling hacking firmware
  

 
  
  
I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt
  now just to spite them. Whatever they paid has to be
  nothing compared to the volume of customers they rolled
  over
 

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7:47 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:
  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite
them. Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of
customers they rolled over

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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?


  
  
Mostly. IBM charges quite a bit for it, but they're big blue. Not
  sure what they're getting out of their multi-billion dollar
  purchase, but we would have to sit in their board room to
  understand their thinking. I wouldn't be surprised to see that
  they are saving money by getting all those community developers do
  the work for next to nothing. Sure cuts down on the expenses in
  the development department.
The only real issue is which version of linux you want hook your
  wagon to. I used Centos for quite a long time; mainly because it
  was "enterprise". Then it go too "enterprise" for my taste, and
  have since switched to Debian. It's the same, but different. Same
  enough for my taste, and down-homey enough for the small operation
  we are. 

NBD.


bp

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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

“Run, run, you’re free!”

- Charlie Harper, making chili while drunk, to runaway onion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCFmZCkCVp8

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:15 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Linux... linux is free... right?

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 8:39 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when IBM 
acquired RedHat.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a year 
per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use. 2500 a 
year for the data center if I read it right

I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly 
ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource and 
not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum.

Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the linux 
community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. 

This just stinks, I had my centos process down.

Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep patching 
and saying they mean it this time for years?

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead of RHEL 
day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a 
production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or there’s Fedora.  I 
believe Preseem runs on Fedora.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)

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From: "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?

I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there 
major differences to it?

I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
> Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its 
> tombstoned in 2021?
> 
> Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my 
> resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
> 
> Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended 
> but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the OS?

It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if 
that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was 
because it was rebuilt RHEL.

I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became 
obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants 
before bringing fixes into their commercial version.

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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Linux... linux is free... right?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 8:39 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when IBM 
acquired RedHat.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a year 
per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use. 2500 a 
year for the data center if I read it right

I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly 
ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource and 
not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum.

Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the linux 
community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. 

This just stinks, I had my centos process down.

Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep patching 
and saying they mean it this time for years?

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead of 
RHEL day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a 
production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or there’s Fedora.  I 
believe Preseem runs on Fedora.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

  Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)

  -
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  From: "Steve Jones" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

  I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?

  I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there 
major differences to it?

  I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt

  On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
> Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its 
> tombstoned in 2021?
> 
> Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my 
> resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
> 
> Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended 
> but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the OS?

It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if 
that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was 
because it was rebuilt RHEL.

I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became 
obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants 
before bringing fixes into their commercial version.

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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

You’d think Steve of all people would be willing to drink from the firehose.

Centos was kind of the conservative stodgy approach to Linux.  Even RHEL was 
stodgy, and Centos was “downstream” of that.  Now with Stream you can be 
“upstream” of RHEL.  Not sure if we’d be losing the approach that you can build 
a server around RHEL/Centos 8 and keep updating version 8 for a bunch of years 
while 9 and 10 come out.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Yeah - leave it up to Big Blue to ruin everything.  

But, really, Steve - just migrate to Stream.  You probably won't even realize 
the difference.

https://twitter.com/carlwgeorge/status/1336901625290625024

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 10:40 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when IBM 
acquired RedHat.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a year 
per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use. 2500 a 
year for the data center if I read it right

I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly 
ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource and 
not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum.

Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the linux 
community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. 

This just stinks, I had my centos process down.

Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep patching 
and saying they mean it this time for years?

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead of RHEL 
day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a 
production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or there’s Fedora.  I 
believe Preseem runs on Fedora.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)

-
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

  _  

From: "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?

I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there 
major differences to it?

I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
> Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its 
> tombstoned in 2021?
> 
> Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my 
> resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
> 
> Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended 
> but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the OS?

It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if 
that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was 
because it was rebuilt RHEL.

I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became 
obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants 
before bringing fixes into their commercial version.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

2020-12-12 Thread Robert


He's about to get his own personal appearance in court.

On 12/11/20 8:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Please accept our apologies

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 5:19 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote:


All these craven lackeys got a big fuck you from the SCOTUS...




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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Yeah - leave it up to Big Blue to ruin everything.

But, really, Steve - just migrate to Stream.  You probably won't even
realize the difference.

https://twitter.com/carlwgeorge/status/1336901625290625024

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 10:40 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when IBM
> acquired RedHat.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
>
>
> Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a
> year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use.
> 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right
>
>
>
> I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly
> ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource
> and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum.
>
>
>
> Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the
> linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution.
>
>
>
> This just stinks, I had my centos process down.
>
>
>
> Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep
> patching and saying they mean it this time for years?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead of
> RHEL day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a
> production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or there’s Fedora.
> I believe Preseem runs on Fedora.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
>
>
> Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
> I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?
>
> I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there
> major differences to it?
>
> I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its
> > tombstoned in 2021?
> >
> > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my
> > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
> >
> > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended
> > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the
> OS?
>
>
> It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if
> that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was
> because it was rebuilt RHEL.
>
> I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became
> obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants
> before bringing fixes into their commercial version.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change when IBM 
acquired RedHat.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a year 
per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use. 2500 a 
year for the data center if I read it right

I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly 
ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource and 
not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum.

Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the linux 
community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. 

This just stinks, I had my centos process down.

Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep patching 
and saying they mean it this time for years?

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead of RHEL 
day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a 
production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or there’s Fedora.  I 
believe Preseem runs on Fedora.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)

-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

  _  

From: "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?

I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there 
major differences to it?

I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
> Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its 
> tombstoned in 2021?
> 
> Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my 
> resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
> 
> Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended 
> but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the OS?

It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if 
that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was 
because it was rebuilt RHEL.

I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became 
obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants 
before bringing fixes into their commercial version.

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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Oh man, VAX/VMS gives me nightmares.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 10:30 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> When I got started in the WISP business, another operator convinced me to
> run RADIUS on a DS10L Alphaserver using VMS.  I will admit it never got
> hacked.  No doubt because the target population was so small nobody
> bothered trying.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
>
>
> Aren’t most of the exploits for windows 3.1 so old they don’t work any
> more and no one would be checking for them?  Ergo it’s more secure.
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Ok - you lost me.  We're not talking about Windows 3.1 here.
>
>
>
> You alleged that Debian/Ubuntu was "more secure" than CentOS.  That is
> what I disagree with.
>
>
>
> Obviously, I don't think a Windows 3.1 system is secure.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:50 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> Well that is pretty funny.
>
> My statement is based on Steve's statement. No OS is secure out of the box
> and unmaintained. But by your statement, all OS's are equivalent and the
> admin is the only difference between any OS. So by your logic Windows 3.1,
> Server 2003, BSD, CentOS, Debian, and Ubuntu are all equal in their
> ability to withstand penetration because the OS doesn't matter since the
> admin is all that counts.
>
> OS's do have inherent characteristics that make them to be more or less
> secure.
>
> Of course you should break the shrinkwrap and stick some computer on a
> public IP untouched. But that isn't what I was suggesting or implying.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:40 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> "Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS" is not an accurate
> statement.
>
>
>
> A system is only as secure as you make it.  CentOS is perfectly secure
> when operated correctly.  As is any flavor of Debian.
>
>
>
> Put a Debian system in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are
> doing and it's just as insecure as anything else.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:13 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> Ubuntu is backed by Canonical, is based on Debian, and as for security I
> would say Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS and not as secure
> as Debian.
>
> But to be clear they are better like Jennifer Garner is hotter than
> Jennifer Aniston. Sure, hotter, but you likely would be really happy with
> either one of them.
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:59 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a
> year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use.
> 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right
>
>
>
> I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly
> ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource
> and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum.
>
>
>
> Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the
> linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution.
>
>
>
> This just stinks, I had my centos process down.
>
>
>
> Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep
> patching and saying they mean it this time for years?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead of
> RHEL day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a
> production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or there’s Fedora.
> I believe Preseem runs on Fedora.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
>
>
> Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
> I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?
>
> I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there
> major differences to it?
>
> I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020,

Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

When I got started in the WISP business, another operator convinced me to run 
RADIUS on a DS10L Alphaserver using VMS.  I will admit it never got hacked.  No 
doubt because the target population was so small nobody bothered trying.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Aren’t most of the exploits for windows 3.1 so old they don’t work any more and 
no one would be checking for them?  Ergo it’s more secure. 

On Dec 12, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ok - you lost me.  We're not talking about Windows 3.1 here.  

You alleged that Debian/Ubuntu was "more secure" than CentOS.  That is what I 
disagree with. 

Obviously, I don't think a Windows 3.1 system is secure.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:50 AM Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Well that is pretty funny.

My statement is based on Steve's statement. No OS is secure out of the box and 
unmaintained. But by your statement, all OS's are equivalent and the admin is 
the only difference between any OS. So by your logic Windows 3.1, Server 2003, 
BSD, CentOS, Debian, and Ubuntu are all equal in their ability to withstand 
penetration because the OS doesn't matter since the admin is all that counts.

OS's do have inherent characteristics that make them to be more or less secure.

Of course you should break the shrinkwrap and stick some computer on a public 
IP untouched. But that isn't what I was suggesting or implying.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:40 AM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

"Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS" is not an accurate statement.

A system is only as secure as you make it.  CentOS is perfectly secure when 
operated correctly.  As is any flavor of Debian.

Put a Debian system in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are 
doing and it's just as insecure as anything else.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:13 AM Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ubuntu is backed by Canonical, is based on Debian, and as for security I would 
say Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS and not as secure as Debian.

But to be clear they are better like Jennifer Garner is hotter than Jennifer 
Aniston. Sure, hotter, but you likely would be really happy with either one of 
them.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:59 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a year 
per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use. 2500 a 
year for the data center if I read it right

I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly 
ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource and 
not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum.

Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the linux 
community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. 

This just stinks, I had my centos process down.

Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep patching 
and saying they mean it this time for years?

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead of RHEL 
day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a 
production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or there’s Fedora.  I 
believe Preseem runs on Fedora.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)

-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

  _  

From: "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?

I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there 
major differences to it?

I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen

Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

2020-12-12 Thread Matt Hoppes

Aren’t most of the exploits for windows 3.1 so old they don’t work any more and 
no one would be checking for them?  Ergo it’s more secure. 

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok - you lost me.  We're not talking about Windows 3.1 here.  
> 
> You alleged that Debian/Ubuntu was "more secure" than CentOS.  That is what I 
> disagree with. 
> 
> Obviously, I don't think a Windows 3.1 system is secure.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:50 AM Lewis Bergman  
>> wrote:
>> Well that is pretty funny.
>> My statement is based on Steve's statement. No OS is secure out of the box 
>> and unmaintained. But by your statement, all OS's are equivalent and the 
>> admin is the only difference between any OS. So by your logic Windows 3.1, 
>> Server 2003, BSD, CentOS, Debian, and Ubuntu are all equal in their ability 
>> to withstand penetration because the OS doesn't matter since the admin is 
>> all that counts.
>> OS's do have inherent characteristics that make them to be more or less 
>> secure.
>> Of course you should break the shrinkwrap and stick some computer on a 
>> public IP untouched. But that isn't what I was suggesting or implying.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:40 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>> "Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS" is not an accurate 
>>> statement.
>>> 
>>> A system is only as secure as you make it.  CentOS is perfectly secure when 
>>> operated correctly.  As is any flavor of Debian.
>>> 
>>> Put a Debian system in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are 
>>> doing and it's just as insecure as anything else.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:13 AM Lewis Bergman  
>>> wrote:
 Ubuntu is backed by Canonical, is based on Debian, and as for security I 
 would say Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS and not as secure 
 as Debian.
 But to be clear they are better like Jennifer Garner is hotter than 
 Jennifer Aniston. Sure, hotter, but you likely would be really happy with 
 either one of them.
 
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:59 PM Steve Jones  
> wrote:
> Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a 
> year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production 
> use. 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right
> 
> I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly 
> ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all 
> opensource and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, 
> but no yum.
> 
> Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the 
> linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. 
> 
> This just stinks, I had my centos process down.
> 
> Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep 
> patching and saying they mean it this time for years?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead 
>> of RHEL day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using 
>> it in a production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or 
>> there’s Fedora.  I believe Preseem runs on Fedora.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>> 
>> I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?
>> 
>> I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are 
>> there major differences to it?
>> 
>> I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>> 
>> On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its 
>> > tombstoned in 2021?
>> > 
>> > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my 
>> > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
>> > 
>> > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is 
>> > ended 
>> > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the 
>> > OS?
>> 
>> 
>> It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if 
>> that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was

Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

Ok - you lost me.  We're not talking about Windows 3.1 here.

You alleged that Debian/Ubuntu was "more secure" than CentOS.  That is what
I disagree with.

Obviously, I don't think a Windows 3.1 system is secure.



On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:50 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Well that is pretty funny.
> My statement is based on Steve's statement. No OS is secure out of the box
> and unmaintained. But by your statement, all OS's are equivalent and the
> admin is the only difference between any OS. So by your logic Windows 3.1,
> Server 2003, BSD, CentOS, Debian, and Ubuntu are all equal in their
> ability to withstand penetration because the OS doesn't matter since the
> admin is all that counts.
> OS's do have inherent characteristics that make them to be more or less
> secure.
> Of course you should break the shrinkwrap and stick some computer on a
> public IP untouched. But that isn't what I was suggesting or implying.
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:40 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> "Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS" is not an accurate
>> statement.
>>
>> A system is only as secure as you make it.  CentOS is perfectly secure
>> when operated correctly.  As is any flavor of Debian.
>>
>> Put a Debian system in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they
>> are doing and it's just as insecure as anything else.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:13 AM Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ubuntu is backed by Canonical, is based on Debian, and as for security I
>>> would say Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS and not as secure
>>> as Debian.
>>> But to be clear they are better like Jennifer Garner is hotter than
>>> Jennifer Aniston. Sure, hotter, but you likely would be really happy with
>>> either one of them.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:59 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350
 a year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production
 use. 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right

 I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading
 correctly ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all
 opensource and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable,
 but no yum.

 Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume
 the linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution.

 This just stinks, I had my centos process down.

 Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep
 patching and saying they mean it this time for years?




 On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta
> instead of RHEL day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are
> using it in a production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or
> there’s Fedora.  I believe Preseem runs on Fedora.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
>
>
> Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>
> I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?
>
> I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are
> there major differences to it?
>
> I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
>
> On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its
> > tombstoned in 2021?
> >
> > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have
> my
> > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
> >
> > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is
> ended
> > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or

Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

2020-12-12 Thread Lewis Bergman

Well that is pretty funny.
My statement is based on Steve's statement. No OS is secure out of the box
and unmaintained. But by your statement, all OS's are equivalent and the
admin is the only difference between any OS. So by your logic Windows 3.1,
Server 2003, BSD, CentOS, Debian, and Ubuntu are all equal in their
ability to withstand penetration because the OS doesn't matter since the
admin is all that counts.
OS's do have inherent characteristics that make them to be more or less
secure.
Of course you should break the shrinkwrap and stick some computer on a
public IP untouched. But that isn't what I was suggesting or implying.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:40 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> "Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS" is not an accurate
> statement.
>
> A system is only as secure as you make it.  CentOS is perfectly secure
> when operated correctly.  As is any flavor of Debian.
>
> Put a Debian system in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are
> doing and it's just as insecure as anything else.
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:13 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu is backed by Canonical, is based on Debian, and as for security I
>> would say Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS and not as secure
>> as Debian.
>> But to be clear they are better like Jennifer Garner is hotter than
>> Jennifer Aniston. Sure, hotter, but you likely would be really happy with
>> either one of them.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:59 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a
>>> year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use.
>>> 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right
>>>
>>> I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading
>>> correctly ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all
>>> opensource and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable,
>>> but no yum.
>>>
>>> Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the
>>> linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution.
>>>
>>> This just stinks, I had my centos process down.
>>>
>>> Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep
>>> patching and saying they mean it this time for years?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead
 of RHEL day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using it
 in a production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or there’s
 Fedora.  I believe Preseem runs on Fedora.

 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

 Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 

 Midwest Internet Exchange 

 The Brothers WISP 

 --

 *From: *"Steve Jones" 
 *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
 *Sent: *Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

 I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?

 I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are
 there major differences to it?

 I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt

 On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

 On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
 > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its
 > tombstoned in 2021?
 >
 > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my
 > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
 >
 > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is
 ended
 > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of
 the OS?

 It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if
 that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was
 because it was rebuilt RHEL.

 I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became
 obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the
 peasants
 before bringing

Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

"Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS" is not an accurate
statement.

A system is only as secure as you make it.  CentOS is perfectly secure when
operated correctly.  As is any flavor of Debian.

Put a Debian system in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are
doing and it's just as insecure as anything else.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:13 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Ubuntu is backed by Canonical, is based on Debian, and as for security I
> would say Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS and not as secure
> as Debian.
> But to be clear they are better like Jennifer Garner is hotter than
> Jennifer Aniston. Sure, hotter, but you likely would be really happy with
> either one of them.
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:59 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a
>> year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use.
>> 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right
>>
>> I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly
>> ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource
>> and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum.
>>
>> Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the
>> linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution.
>>
>> This just stinks, I had my centos process down.
>>
>> Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep
>> patching and saying they mean it this time for years?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream?  Kind of like RHEL beta instead
>>> of RHEL day old bread.  I guess their answer would be if you are using it
>>> in a production environment you could always pay for RHEL.  Or there’s
>>> Fedora.  I believe Preseem runs on Fedora.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better.  ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>>>
>>> I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?
>>>
>>> I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are
>>> there major differences to it?
>>>
>>> I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its
>>> > tombstoned in 2021?
>>> >
>>> > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my
>>> > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up.
>>> >
>>> > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is
>>> ended
>>> > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the
>>> OS?
>>>
>>>
>>> It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if
>>> that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was
>>> because it was rebuilt RHEL.
>>>
>>> I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became
>>> obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants
>>> before bringing fixes into their commercial version.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Electrical engineer

I had a job calibrating those once.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Start them out on a Simpson 260.
>  
> (is the model with the mirror scale a 270?  That was my favorite.)
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Electrical engineer
>  
> My grandson Noah, an EE in training will help you in about 8 years if you can 
> wait .
> Has his own Fluke meters grandpa bought him for birthday! 
>  
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 5:29 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
> What is the project?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
> 
> 
> Anyone in the group an electrical engineer or know someone who we can pay a 
> consulting fee?
>  
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