Re: [AFMUG] Multi-path, Reflections, and Ducting

[Craig Schmaderer]

Good old fashion corn fade.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 11:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multi-path, Reflections, and Ducting

yep, til we switch to 450 we had one customer like this. the coolest part was 
you could watch him harvest his field by his rssi. it was a perfect example 
customer. two radios about 10 feet apart on the roof, each only worked half the 
year

On Fri, May 10, 2024, 3:58 PM Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

Way back in the early days of FSK we did a poor mans spacial diversity for a 
customer.  Put an SM on either end of his roof, and told him to switch cables 
if it stopped working.
On 5/10/2024 3:53 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Yep, been hearing this for the last 20 years.
Has to have something to do with ground reflections changing with the crop.
A space diversity setup would cure it.


From: Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2024 2:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Multi-path, Reflections, and Ducting


For those of you who don't have to deal with it, whatever it's called, this is 
what us flatlanders have to put up with.At the top of the pipe, the radio 
would only get a maximum of -76, at it's current height, it's at -59.  All 
happened last week when that hayfield grew.  Signal was fine before then, and 
it steadily lost signal all last week.  (It is LOS to the tower, the tower is 
just directly in line with the pipe in the picture)



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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature

[Craig Schmaderer]

$2000???   Please tell me that is not per Access Point?I could handle maybe 
that for all of them.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:58 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature

This sector has a lot of long links, subs clustered in the middle of the 
sector, and several Ubiquiti WISPs in the same direction.  So the uplink 
modulation is poorer than downlink.  The SMs have narrow beams but the AP sees 
90 degrees.

The other case where we get uplink problems is in 3 GHz when Verizon lights up 
CBRS on a celltower, but we can (mostly) solve that by matching LTE timing.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
castarritt
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature

I haven't seen a 450M sector get bad uplink modulation rates without downlink 
getting trashed too unless it was caused by a misconfig on our end causing self 
interference.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:26 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
Has anyone else tried the interference cancellation feature in 22.2 FW?  (Free 
30 day trial but license key is $2000.)

I tried it on what I thought was an ideal candidate sector, but my first 
impression is that it helps a little not a ton.  My uplink multiplexing gain 
was 1.0 so I figured I had nothing to lose.
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Re: [AFMUG] Got paid

[Craig Schmaderer]

I am sorry it had to come to this. LOL, yeah right.   You are just sorry 
that you got outplayed by Chuck.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 8:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Got paid

That's awesome!

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 4:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I did.  Wire transfer has not landed yet but here is his last email to me:

Thank you Chuck I really appreciate you . I will transfer things around
and send it today and send conformation . I am sorry it had to come to this
. I should have moved more swiftly .



Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com
-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 2:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Got paid

Did you pull the comments and review?

On 10/24/23 11:53, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> A prime contractor has owed me about $15K for 6 months.  Totally dogging
> me.
> They showed up in my FB feed crowing about a big job they had just
> completed.  So I started making snarky comments on their posts.  I also
> gave them a bad review and commented that they don’t pay their subs. The
> owner of the company called me and settled about 15 minutes after posting
> the review.
> A whole lot cheaper than attorneys.
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: getting old and angry

[Craig Schmaderer]

What is your goto mastic product?  What do you order?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 3:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: getting old and angry

I think I may be aging out of my job, spend a lot of time too pissed at stuff.

I came across a box of some new stuff the boss ordered for the installer (i 
dont know if i ever mentioned i got a "promotion" a few years ago to a 
"supervisor" position but got cucked everytime i turned around, I despise 
micromanagement). Anyhow in the box was a cool elbow fro protecting cable from 
varmints, that was pretty cool, i used to keep pvc and conduit to bend, I 
wished i had had something like that when i was installing.
then I see it, i pile of tubes of silicone
FUCKING SILICONE
I despise silicone, it should be banned from the planet, it had its time, like 
manual push mowers.
I banned this shit years ago. I put it in the garbage and remind techs to never 
use it, if you want caulk, butyl. otherwise always use mastic, it stays 
malleable and moves if the hole chnages for nay reason, you can pull it, reuse 
it in the hole, you can paint over it, etc. silicone hardens and all you can 
ever do is put more silicone on it, and if you ever came in after a guy who 
doesnt believe theres such thing as enough silicone you have a half a day jus 
getting through it.

A whole box of this shit. I went ballistic. planned to call back the headhunter 
tonite to get me a new job, started plotting violence in my head. Almost walked 
out.

over silicone.

Pretty sure that level of rage is unhealthy, but so is the amount of bacon and 
butter I consume, so it probably evens out.

get off my lawn
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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

[Craig Schmaderer]

Yes you are Ubnt.   Ubnt customers were flashing cambium elevate software on M 
radios and using them on cambium ePMP access points, (the real reason this 
pissed ubnt off was the fact that cambium was able to make their M hardware 
work way better with software)

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 12:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

So who is who here.  I guess I am UBNT?
Paint my mounts sounds like flash my radio with the code of others.
So UBNT could legally claim you cannot put Cambium code in their radios?

So were UBNT customers putting Cambium software in UBNT radios?
Or were people putting UBNT software in Cambium radios?

I remember it happening at the time.  I just don’t remember any details.
The article says that the settlement involved Cambium paying UBNT.
Assuming that is correct, the Cambium must have done something wrong.



From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your mounts after I buy 
them, and I decide to paint them blue using Rustoleum paint, you would sue 
Rustoleum and I for breaking your EUA

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US=US=US%3Aen
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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

[Craig Schmaderer]

Sssh, that is a secret.Lol

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 12:03 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Well, your hacked Motorola SMs with your Stingers, right?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Why would Cambium have an EUA agreement with UBNT?  It is their radio.  If they 
allow users to flash it, they are not doing anything wrong.

From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

Violated the EUA which said you can’t load other software in the radio.

On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Not sure on the details, but the allegation was that they "reverse engineered" 
Ubiquiti's off-the-shelf hardware.



bp


On 12/12/2020 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 7:47 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US=US=US%3Aen
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Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck, I look at it like, if you said I could not paint your mounts after I buy 
them, and I decide to paint them blue using Rustoleum paint, you would sue 
Rustoleum and I for breaking your EUA

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I never understood the argument.  What exactly did Cambium do wrong?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google News - Cambium Networks settles a lawsuit with 
Ubiquiti Inc for selling hacking firmware

I hope cambium does it again with something else ubnt now just to spite them. 
Whatever they paid has to be nothing compared to the volume of customers they 
rolled over

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mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFvp2xGH5DLp_0VFw74VGwYqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjo_YBzCo6Ugwi9XQBg?hl=en-US=US=US%3Aen
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Craig Schmaderer]

My installers have 6 foot hdmi extender cables and we try that first.  That 
will usually fix the issue, if not we will look into if they need a 804 mesh 
anyways, last resort, probably 20% of the time we convince them to try a Roku 
or FireTv.   Firesticks and Hulu TV are by far our biggest issues.   Hulu just 
seems like it has more buffering or lockup app issues than other streaming 
apps.   YoutubeTV we never have issues along with Netflix.Constant 
streaming issue I don’t normally see that often.  I do think I have a few 
customers though that just constantly have a TV streaming no matter what.

From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 1:14 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

I assume you don’t send them a mesh unit to put behind the TV.  Do you tell 
them to put the Firestick on an extender cable?  Or to buy an actual FireTV or 
maybe something good like a Roku?

I’m getting tired of the Firesticks.  Lots of customers have 3-5 devices with 
hostnames amazon-xxx which I assume are Firesticks but I guess they could 
be other Amazon stuff like Echos.  But I’m starting to see 2-3 of them in 
houses consuming a constant 5 Mbps each 24x7.  I can’t believe that even during 
the pandemic, people are watching multiple TVs around the clock, so there must 
be some situation where these things are just streaming stuff even if nobody is 
watching.  They get their power from a separate USB cable so I don’t think they 
shut down just because the TV is off.  Maybe if you use them with a live TV 
streaming service they just stream constantly?


From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 12:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

No, we eat the cost, we also do not charge a setup fee.   We retain ownership 
of the router and mesh, if they cancel we get them back.   Moving to these 
routers has been one of the best things we did.   It is so easy for my staff to 
help with in house wifi issues now, and we never seem to get the my router is 
locked up call.Most all the issues are poor signal on firesticks behind the 
tv on the other side of the house.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Craig, do you charge for the router as well as the monthly?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 10:03 AM Craig Schmaderer 
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Late to this thread, but we have almost 1,000 844e and 200 804 mesh,   Chuck, 
we install the 803g and charge $10 for the 844e managed wifi solution and 
include a free 804 mesh if we think they need it.  Our take rate on the managed 
wifi is above 80% and it looks like about 20% get a 804.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Ryan Ray mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Cambium routers before these and what a shit show that was.



On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:23 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Were you providing different routers before, or customers were providing their 
own routers?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ryan Ray
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Equipment availability is definitely a huge problem right now. Maybe less so 
for operators that buy a years worth in advance which I think is how Calix 
prefers. Shipping 50 at a time is not their style.

The 15-20k will be integrations with your billing system and API, plus the 
setup of the cloud and on boarding for your techs and support people.

If you don’t plan on doing any integrations you can probably negotiate that 
number down.

The price is high but it’s high quality set and forget type infrastructure. Our 
support calls went way down when we started getting these routers in.




On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hey guys,

I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting told them have no 
equipment that they can sell us at this time.  Been going on for quite a while 
now.

Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.

Have been through the presentation including where they told us it was about $ 
15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and utilize their “success team” required.

Just trying to get going with them, but having access to the equipment is kinda 
“a thing”

Paul

From: AF ma

Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Craig Schmaderer]

Late to this thread, but we have almost 1,000 844e and 200 804 mesh,   Chuck, 
we install the 803g and charge $10 for the 844e managed wifi solution and 
include a free 804 mesh if we think they need it.  Our take rate on the managed 
wifi is above 80% and it looks like about 20% get a 804.



From: AF  on behalf of Ryan Ray 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Cambium routers before these and what a shit show that was.



On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:23 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Were you providing different routers before, or customers were providing their 
own routers?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ryan Ray
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

Equipment availability is definitely a huge problem right now. Maybe less so 
for operators that buy a years worth in advance which I think is how Calix 
prefers. Shipping 50 at a time is not their style.

The 15-20k will be integrations with your billing system and API, plus the 
setup of the cloud and on boarding for your techs and support people.

If you don’t plan on doing any integrations you can probably negotiate that 
number down.

The price is high but it’s high quality set and forget type infrastructure. Our 
support calls went way down when we started getting these routers in.




On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hey guys,

I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting told them have no 
equipment that they can sell us at this time.  Been going on for quite a while 
now.

Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.

Have been through the presentation including where they told us it was about $ 
15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and utilize their “success team” required.

Just trying to get going with them, but having access to the equipment is kinda 
“a thing”

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019. What 
are you looking to know?


On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?

If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie 
Highway
Vero Beach, FL 
32962
772-564-6800 x110

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck, I don’t believe that, it is just fact that the earth is flat.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 11:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar


When we have traveled through the midwest, my wife, who grew up and has lived 
on the SF Peninsula all her life, always says "How can you tell where you are 
if you can't see the mountains?"



bp




On 7/17/2020 8:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Because you believe the earth is flat.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 9:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

Why do I live in Nebraska?I always thought if I keep asking myself that, I 
would finally some day not live in Nebraska.   SMH

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:32 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar


Really. It's the beauty of living on a peninsula between two large bodies of 
water. It rarely gets too hot or too cold here. On "hot" days, we usually just 
keep the windows closed until about 2PM when the ocean breeze kicks in. Then we 
open the windows up to let the cool air flow through.



bp




On 7/17/2020 8:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
What in the actual f**k?!  Really???

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:38 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We live near the coast. We don't need, or even have air conditioning.


bp


On 7/16/2020 7:58 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 7/16/20 6:06 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Wow. That's a lot of power from my perspective. We use less than 700
>> KWh per month. We live in the country, so we have to pump our water
>> (big well pump and a pressure pump); so that is a big influence on
>> our power usage. I have a hard time imagining how you might use 5X
>> what we use.
>
>
> I'm already at 1.22 MWh of consumption halfway through the month. I
> like air conditioning.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

[Craig Schmaderer]

Why do I live in Nebraska?I always thought if I keep asking myself that, I 
would finally some day not live in Nebraska.   SMH

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:32 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar


Really. It's the beauty of living on a peninsula between two large bodies of 
water. It rarely gets too hot or too cold here. On "hot" days, we usually just 
keep the windows closed until about 2PM when the ocean breeze kicks in. Then we 
open the windows up to let the cool air flow through.



bp




On 7/17/2020 8:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
What in the actual f**k?!  Really???

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:38 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We live near the coast. We don't need, or even have air conditioning.


bp


On 7/16/2020 7:58 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 7/16/20 6:06 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Wow. That's a lot of power from my perspective. We use less than 700
>> KWh per month. We live in the country, so we have to pump our water
>> (big well pump and a pressure pump); so that is a big influence on
>> our power usage. I have a hard time imagining how you might use 5X
>> what we use.
>
>
> I'm already at 1.22 MWh of consumption halfway through the month. I
> like air conditioning.
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

[Craig Schmaderer]

Yeah, ultimately I can still make money charging $50 for a gig if I had 
to(granted, it would be a lot longer ROI).   So as long as my $90 gig plan 
doesn’t get poached on, I am not worried.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 2:49 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

The good news is a half million sub limit.  They will easily find a half 
million hard to serve locations around the globe without breaking a sweat.
So the low hanging fruit are not our customers.

From: dave
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

Just install 40k of micropops :)

[cid:image001.jpg@01D65ABE.A8090DA0]
On 7/15/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
There are some details in this story that were new to me. One of the ones that 
popped up was that each group of 60 Starlink satellites is expected to support 
~~ 40,000 subscribers.

That puts the 800 satellite "moderate service level" at supporting about half a 
million subscribers (~~ 533,000).

In order to support a million subscribers, they will need about 1500 satellites.

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-router-fcc?_pos=19&_sid=a6c7fff07&_ss=r


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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Craig Schmaderer]

[cid:image001.jpg@01D60E51.8837B3A0]


From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 9:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

Not sure I believe N Korea.
Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Robert  wrote:
But the whole world hasn't miffed this thing..   S. Korea, N. Korea, New 
Zealand, Arab States, partially Japan, some of the russian federation states, 
all managed to deal with it up front.  IF you got out in front of it, it was 
manageable..
On 4/8/20 3:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Jaime,
At the risk of breaking Lent, you gotta steel yourself man.

Just like learning a dear friend or relative has a terminal illness, you have 
to mentally prepare for 4 more years of a “very stable genius” with the “best 
words”.

Sorry dude...  I am a Romney man...

(But to address the link you sent, I don’t think we have done any worse than 
Italy, France or Iran...  the whole world has muffed this thing).

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

https://kvia.com/your-voice-your-vote/politics/2020/04/08/cnn-poll-majority-of-americans-now-say-the-federal-government-has-done-a-poor-job-of-preventing-coronavirus-spread/?fbclid=IwAR0UNYN4lz7YUfj1mKlgKXQk1_7ETsC6jQwsLNIJ3-Qto3ZnT1cJb_uh_Eg

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 7:44 PM  wrote:
Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.  Walked 
in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer mom then a 
skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started clucking like a chicken 
when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.  Was not quite calling me a 
chicken loud enough that I could clearly make out exactly what he was doing, 
but was grandstanding for his skanky woman

Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into action.  I 
literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork and beans 
with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions of a throat punch 
were clear in my head...

But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a dentist 
would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful of other 
chickens on the way out the store.
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

[Craig Schmaderer]

How does it compare to TowerCoverage?  That seems expensive compared to what I 
pay them.  We use it everyday with great success.  I really can not think of an 
install that we lost because of it.   Did any of you switch and why?

From: AF  on behalf of Dan Sullivan via AF 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, March 27, 2020 at 4:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dan Sullivan 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CNHeat

If a site costs $12.50 per month and you save a failed install or go exactly 
right to the correct spot on a good install, time savings and equipment wear 
and tear will be realized on first install call.

Can use tool to look for locations of previous DNQs.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 11:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Yep, you’re arguing about semantics.  The difference between “free” and “a tool 
that pays for itself” is hard to see.  Some people would use the term 
“no-brainer”.

Whether it in fact pays for itself is a more substantive question.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 10:58 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat


It's a figure of speech.
On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's not free, it's more of an investment.  Or a tool that pays for itself.

There's no such thing as free, Bernie.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of customers who 
you passed over because of a failed installation.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one recurring 
flight plan for the whole year.
On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
They never mentioned this on The Jetsons.

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat


We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.  You could 
make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and burn way 
more fuel.  The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's that the 
driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans.


On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in line. 
 Oh, and where’s my flying car?

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs too. 
Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech installs

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees near 
the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.

I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall skinny 
trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that grows 5-10 
feet per in height per year.  The trees had grown to be taller than the house, 
and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything was fine when the wind 
was from the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would 
completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the wind, 
until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little 
amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium SM.  You could 
watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the tone rise and fall, and 
drop out when the wind blew hard enough.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is 
amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to 
where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically 
looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data 
would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an 

Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Craig Schmaderer]

Whoa...

[cid:image002.jpg@01D5F2F2.EBAEDA50]



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:44 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas



Well, that's interesting.



Website says they use 2.4 GHz unlicensed band, beamforming, no interference 
with terrestrial WiFi in same band, and one beam per plane.



-Original Message-

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett

Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:25 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas



https://www.smartskynetworks.com/





That's who it is. I don't know what frequencies. I don't know why into my 
points two directions.







-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe 
Brothers WISP



- Original Message -

From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

Sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:03:02 -0600 (CST)

Subject: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas



I drove by a celltower today where a tower crew (truck said ATS) was installing 
arrays of these giant panels.  They looked like sheets of drywall, but actually 
I'd estimate they were around 3x5 feet.  Almost as tall as the tower guy 
installing one of them.  3 arrays, each consisting of

3 of these panels.  I've never seen such big antennas.  They were putting them 
fairly low on the tower, maybe because of windload?





I didn't stop to take photos, I didn't want them calling the police on me 
thinking I was a terrorist or something.  But from my description, does anybody 
have a guess what these were?  This was halfway between 2 small towns in a 
rural area, next to a state route and a railroad track (not commuter).  Could 
these be some sort of multiband 5G antenna, covering all the low and mid bands?







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Re: [AFMUG] RackInjector firmware upgrade

[Craig Schmaderer]

How did I know you would through that commit in.   

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 9:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackInjector firmware upgrade

Netscape still does the job for me...

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 8:41 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackInjector firmware upgrade

Sadly I am finding more and more stuff only works in Chrome, not Edge or 
Firefox.  Don’t know about Safari or the new Chromium based Edge.

I assume this is because browsing is now done mostly on mobile devices, which 
run iOS or Android, so websites are designed for Safari and Chrome.  I assume 
that’s why Microsoft threw in the towel and went to the Chromium rendering 
engine.

Not saying that’s the issue in this case.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 9:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackInjector firmware upgrade


10 times out of 9, I've found these kind of issues solved by clearing cache.



bp




On 1/31/2020 7:15 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
Safe mode in Firefox 72.02 and it fails. Works like a champ in Chrome. As long 
as I know there is in fact a confirmation, i'll know what to look for if I need 
to submit another ticket.

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 9:05 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
Really odd...

Works here...  See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bSaUv4p8Uc=youtu.be

Do you have an adblocker or an antivirus or something which might be getting in 
the way?

FYI, you can also send an email into 
cust...@packetflux.com

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 7:21 AM Eric Muehleisen 
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://tickets.packetflux.com/open.php

Fill out the form and hit "Create Ticket". It immediately takes me to 
http://tickets.packetflux.com/index.php without any confirmation. Using this 
email.
I'm using Firefox as a browser if that matters.

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 2:57 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
Could you let me know which page you did this on or what email you used?   I 
just tried on the support page and it created a ticket just fine.

The only ticket I see from you is back in November.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:10 AM Eric Muehleisen 
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I've created two different tickets via their support page but never received a 
confirmation or any indication of a successful submission. I assumed it was 
broken. However, I believe you are correct about it not creating an outage. I 
just wanted someone who's done it to confirm.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:51 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
I’m 99% sure it doesn’t cause a power outage to the ports.

You might submit a ticket to PacketFlux if you need a 100% answer, they usually 
respond right away to their tickets.  Forest might chime in here on the list.

-Sean


On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 8:16 AM Eric Muehleisen 
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is a RackInjector firmware upgrade service affecting? Will it disrupt service 
to the ports it's powering during the upgrade process?
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[AFMUG] Rackinjector Power

[Craig Schmaderer]

Forrest or anyone else that may know, does the control board still have to use 
+ voltage to power on.  I can not remember if you were going to allow neg 
voltage on newer models.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck

[Craig Schmaderer]

With a few changes to the design it could be a lot better, I do not think that 
will make it to production, the model 3 changed quite a bit before it was out.  
Most likely that is why they only made the preorder $100

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 9:26 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cybertruck

I was expecting to see some comments from this crowd.  Was everyone suitably 
underwhelmed?  Or running out to place your pre-orders?

I think I saw one comment that it looked like a cross between an El Camino and 
a Pontiac Aztec.  It certainly was not what I expected when I heard Tesla was 
going to bring out an electric truck.  It sounds like the 3 motor version will 
indeed be fast, but how big a market is there for a  fast, expensive, ugly 
truck?  Maybe more than I realize.
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Re: [AFMUG] Started a WISP discord server

[Craig Schmaderer]

Most of all my groups have now switched over to discord….

From: AF  On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 4:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Started a WISP discord server

it allows categories and subcategories

I have it set up like a forum

Discord is becoming the new go-to app for forums even for large companies such 
as quasar https://quasar.dev/
their Discord chat is used more than their forum

so that's where the idea came from for me at least



On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 5:07 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm going to put my ignorance out there for all to see:

I only know of Discord as a voice chat system used by gamers.  What would we 
use a WISP Discord server for?


On 11/14/2019 11:20 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:
would do slack if it was free and not a huge system hog and hard to moderate

if someone finds a way to do it I agree it would be cool though

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:16 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I'd probably do a WISP Slack since I already have it running for Powercode/my 
company.  I'm not doing another program - especially Discord.  Just my thoughts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 11:06 AM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
App download is a bit slower than plate tectonics .
Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 14, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Timothy Steele 
mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Forgot to set invite link to never expire

here is the new link https://discord.gg/JfcyhZg

Thanks,

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:26 PM Timothy Steele 
mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That's odd

I checked the settings again and not required

Also have about 5 other users that joined just fine

I'll keep looking into it but from what I'm reading ether you never verified 
your discord email, failed that captcha or discord flagged your account

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 1:39 PM mailto:fiber...@mail.com>> 
wrote:
> Started a WISP discord server
> If anyone wants to check it out
  Requires a phone number to access. Screw that.

Jared


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Re: [AFMUG] Priority on Speedtest.net

[Craig Schmaderer]

Duh, must be morning, yeah you are right on the upstream part.  Downstream part 
would be easy.  I need more coffee.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 10:15 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Priority on Speedtest.net

This is all hypothetical right now, but in my test I did the marking on the 
router upstream from the customer.  The wireless access point is configured to 
give a higher weight to traffic with that tag.  You'd have to do it at the 
customer end instead (or in addition) if you needed to affect upstream traffic 
as well.


On 11/5/2019 10:46 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> Adam, so you are marking the traffic DSCP with the speed test ips on the 
> customer router I would assume.  I could easily do this on our managed Calix 
> routers and I have thought about this a lot, even for my fiber customers, 
> just so they get a solid speed test when they are streaming.  I am not really 
> worried about congestion even our my wireless network, that usually means it 
> is time for me to upgrade that tower anyways.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 8:30 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Priority on Speedtest.net
>
> The short answer is you don't need to match every packet, just need to 
> identify the IPs of speedtest.net servers.  Easy to do.
>
>
> On 11/5/2019 6:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
>> Howdy Adam,
>>
>> How are you detecting/classifying the test data?  Isn't it all SSL?
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-985-5912
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 1:32 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Priority on Speedtest.net
>>
>> I can set a higher priority DSCP value on speedtest.net traffic. I tested 
>> this on one SM and it works great.  On a busy AP at 9:30pm I was getting 
>> speedtest results from 12-20mbps.  I set the speedtest traffic to DSCP 26 
>> and enable a "medium" priority channel and now it's 34mbps every single time 
>> without fail (and at my data rate, frame size, etc that's all I could ever 
>> hope for).
>>
>> The question is: Would this be evil?
>>
>> The feeling is that for some customers there's nothing actually wrong except 
>> they run speedtest.net simultaneously as their XBox downloads a game and 
>> then call to report "slow" speeds.  The feeling is that it would be easier 
>> to just let them see a bigger speed test number than to educate them (and 
>> some will always refuse to be educated).
>>
>> The evil part is that it would mask an actual congestion problem.
>>
>> There's also a notion being tossed around the office that our competitors 
>> are already doing this.  I have no idea if they actually are, and I'm also 
>> not sure if I care what they're doing.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Priority on Speedtest.net

[Craig Schmaderer]

Nate, you should route his call into a special phone tree that he can not 
escape out of.  lol

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 9:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Priority on Speedtest.net

I think it would be a good tool to have in the toolbox, but maybe selectively 
applied.

We have one business customer (Broadband), every morning the "IT guy" will run 
a speedtest, and call in if it's not the 40mb he expects.  He don't bother to 
look at any of his other network traffic, any downloads that are going on, if 
there are actually any problems.  He only cares what speedtest shows, and if 
his screen doesn't show 40mb, then he's calling.  Every time, !EVERY TIME!, 
it's because his network traffic is using the rest of the connection, which we 
explain to him EVERY TIME, but this has been his operating procedure for the 
last 3 years.  "Hey guys, speeds are slow this morning, you need to check it 
and fix it."
On 11/5/2019 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
If you sell by speed tiers, I think speedtest.net can actually be your friend, 
and you don't want to doctor the results.  If the guy on a 10 Mbps plan is 
complaining his Internet is slow because he can't watch 5 HD streams 
simultaneously, it helps to show him "you're getting what you're paying for".  
Then you can maybe upsell him to a higher speed tier.

If he's downloading a 150 GB Xbox game, your tech support is going to have to 
educate him about restricting the hours that game consoles can do downloads.  
Making speedtest.net results look better isn't going to avoid that, in fact it 
may make that more difficult.  The effort might be better spent finding a way 
to deprioritize software downloads, so people can watch video or pay games 
while new games are downloading.

If you sell best effort "up to" speeds, the answer may be different.


From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 8:46 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Priority on Speedtest.net


If I'm being honest, it's partly a failure on the sales end to manage 
expectations on wireless ("up to 50mbps" etc), and partly a failure of tech 
support to manage the conversation.  IMO they need to not let the customer 
focus on a speed test result and instead prompt them to talk about what their 
actual problems are. Whether the speed test says 10 meg or 50 meg has no 
bearing on the fact that you suck of Call of Duty or that your VPN to the 
office doesn't want to connect this morning.

I think the idea is just make the speed test show what they want to see and 
then we can move the conversation forward.  It strikes me as a viable but lazy 
and dishonest solution.  I'm trying hard to be open minded.

I appreciate all the thoughts on this.  Thanks everyone.


On 11/5/2019 8:01 AM, Daniel White wrote:
I've worked extensively with Sandvine and Saisei and this is a topic that 
always comes up since it is fairly easy to implement via those appliances (and 
easier to implement across multiple speed testing sites).

I don't see it as evil on a best effort connection.  Customers typically are 
not likely to understand what the results mean and the only congestion it masks 
is on your network (which you should be aware of anyways).  You can chalk it up 
to reasonable network management practices, as the intent is to show what your 
connection is capable of vs. what is available to you at that moment.  
Furthermore, unless the speedtest server is on your network, sometimes the 
issue is on the net or with the server so further impacting the results by 
giving the testing a low availability on your network is further giving your 
customers the wrong impression of your actual delivery.

By implementing something though - how many support tickets are you potentially 
reducing?  How about customer churn?  If these are issues for you is it because 
you have actual congestion on your network?  Is hacking the response worthwhile 
from a technical effort - and if your customers found out about it is it 
worthwhile from a PR standpoint?

I usually end up somewhere in the it's cool to tinker with but of limited value 
in the real world.  The PR fallout if your competition finds out and uses it 
against you is probably more damaging.

My 2 cents.

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Adam Moffett wrote on 11/4/19 12:32:


I can set a higher priority DSCP value on speedtest.net traffic. I tested this 
on one SM and it works great.  On a busy AP at 9:30pm I was getting speedtest 
results from 12-20mbps.  I set the speedtest traffic to DSCP 26 and enable a 
"medium" priority channel and now it's 34mbps every single time without fail 
(and at my data rate, frame size, etc that's all I could ever hope for).

The question is: Would this be evil?

The feeling is that for some customers there's 

Re: [AFMUG] Priority on Speedtest.net

[Craig Schmaderer]

Adam, so you are marking the traffic DSCP with the speed test ips on the 
customer router I would assume.  I could easily do this on our managed Calix 
routers and I have thought about this a lot, even for my fiber customers, just 
so they get a solid speed test when they are streaming.  I am not really 
worried about congestion even our my wireless network, that usually means it is 
time for me to upgrade that tower anyways.  

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 8:30 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Priority on Speedtest.net

The short answer is you don't need to match every packet, just need to identify 
the IPs of speedtest.net servers.  Easy to do.


On 11/5/2019 6:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
> Howdy Adam,
>
> How are you detecting/classifying the test data?  Isn't it all SSL?
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 1:32 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Priority on Speedtest.net
>
> I can set a higher priority DSCP value on speedtest.net traffic. I tested 
> this on one SM and it works great.  On a busy AP at 9:30pm I was getting 
> speedtest results from 12-20mbps.  I set the speedtest traffic to DSCP 26 and 
> enable a "medium" priority channel and now it's 34mbps every single time 
> without fail (and at my data rate, frame size, etc that's all I could ever 
> hope for).
>
> The question is: Would this be evil?
>
> The feeling is that for some customers there's nothing actually wrong except 
> they run speedtest.net simultaneously as their XBox downloads a game and then 
> call to report "slow" speeds.  The feeling is that it would be easier to just 
> let them see a bigger speed test number than to educate them (and some will 
> always refuse to be educated).
>
> The evil part is that it would mask an actual congestion problem.
>
> There's also a notion being tossed around the office that our competitors are 
> already doing this.  I have no idea if they actually are, and I'm also not 
> sure if I care what they're doing.
>
> -Adam
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

[Craig Schmaderer]

Yes, that should have happened from day one.  Please make this happen now…

From: AF  On Behalf Of Tyson Burris
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 8:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

Matt-

That needs to happen now rather then later.  Just saying…


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:32 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

Also, to set the record a straight(er)…

The 450b Connectorized is targeted for March release. This will indeed have 
RP-SMA connectors at the top (similar to 900 MHz SM).

The other one that you guys are talking about, I am calling 450b Retro. As Jeff 
mentions, I am still working up a plan for this device, and don’t have a 
release date yet. The idea is that it’ll have the latest processing power, the 
wide band support, fit into the same offset reflectors that are already out 
there, and be reasonably priced.

This would provide an easy upgrade or swap of the older 430 or 450 SMs that are 
deployed already with those reflector dishes.

Matt

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

450b connectorized had SMA stye connectors on top, did not look like a 900mhz 
SM, looked more like a RocketM5

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Do you remember what the connectorized 450b looked like?  SMA connectors on top 
like the 900 MHz SM?  N pigtails out bottom like the old one?  Twistport 
adapter?

I realize the pigtails out the bottom were not optimal, but KPP was nice enough 
to build a dish with a place to mount the SM where the pigtails dressed just 
perfect.  Also putting coax connectors on the top is not optimal from a drip 
loop perspective and SMA connectors are a pain to waterproof unless you believe 
in the silicone boots which aren’t conducive to third party or custom length 
coax jumpers.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

I asked him right after I saw you post about it.
Jeff Broadwick
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574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Matt told me at Wispalooza show old form factor SM is coming spring 2020. Also 
at Wispalooza show they had a new SM there that was containerized and triband 
for like $250'ish !!!

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I thought someone posted that Matt said the old form factor was coming Q1 2020.

Not sure that’s actually different - until I can buy it, it’s pretty much in 
“we are considering it” phase.

Thing is, 5 GHz 450 SMs took a step back with the 450b, we no longer have a 
connectorized SM or one that we can use with a reflector dish, and many of us 
have encountered performance problems with the integrated antenna in the 450b 
high gain.  And even if we acquire more of the EOL 450 SMs, they lack the CPU, 
triband capability, and xmt power of the 450b.

Back on topic to the 450i Lite AP, we have some of the old 450 Lite APs.  If we 
haven’t already applied a key to make them into Full APs, I generally prefer to 
replace them with a 450i AP.  It’s just so confusing having a mix of 24V and 
48V powering, Canopy Sync and Cambium Sync, plus the 450i has a more capable 
CPU.  So you could look at that as an advantage of the Lite, you can upgrade 
the HW in the future instead of buying an upgrade key.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

To be clear, the 5GHz 450b exists.  The 3GHz high gain is now slated for 1st 
qtr2020.

I asked 

Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG.com website seems down?

[Craig Schmaderer]

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 9:27 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG.com website seems down?

I get an HTTPS certificate error.

Depending on what browser you use, some are very strict about certs.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AFMUG.com website seems down?

www.afmug.com doesn't work for me

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:35 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
There seems to be normal amounts of traffic to me.

From: Colin Stanners
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 6:23 PM
To: Chuck McCown
Subject: AFMUG.com website seems down?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

[Craig Schmaderer]

I rented a Model X on my vacation last week.  I will forever be let down 
getting into any other car…..It is an absolutely amazing car. I hope I 
like the Tesla Truck, it will be mine in 2-3 years when it comes out.  

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Hill
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 7:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT travelog

Cars are getting more like Apple vs Mac, iOS vs Android

We’re making the jump from GMC to Audi this weekend, and the learning curve is 
looking steep.






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On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Rented a Mercedes at Nice to go visit some caves a couple hours West.  I am 
totally handicapped now with my Leaf’s adaptive cruise control and lane 
keeping.  Just about rear-ended some cars after setting the cruise control.  
Also am apt to take my hands off the wheel.

I am surprised such a new Mercedes does not have adaptive cruise control.  At 
least if it does I cannot figure out how to use it.  The sat-nav operation was 
totally unintuitive.  Had a weird touch pad thing in the center console.  Very 
difficult to program in a destination address.

Never drove a Mercedes before.  Not likely to again.
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Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

[Craig Schmaderer]

Kurt, that is amazing news!!!

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 4:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

That is good news.  Hope its not that screwed together half aluminum case 
though.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:44 PM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:
>
> Can not believe nobody else has chimed in with the good news here. Talked to 
> Matt at the Cambium Booth last week as Wispalooza, he said spring 2020 they 
> will be releasing the old form factor SM again (5ghz only) with the new 450b 
> guts inside. He also said there will not be a speedcap. sounded like 
> $250/'ish price range. I can not tell you how amazing this was to hear as we 
> have literally over 500-700 reflectors out that is so convenient to be able 
> to just swap the bare SM and not have to do re-alignments.
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:24 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Maybe they just need to go with something like TwistPort and let 3rd party 
>> manufacturers sell dishes.  Oh, right, regulatory approvals.  Nonethless, I 
>> suspect that may be where they are headed with the connectorized SM.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 5:13 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>>
>>
>>
>> If they sold me a full 2' dish at 28dbi then I could definitely find places 
>> to use that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/2019 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, a one year delay is a pretty big oops, but it’s not really a solution 
>> to the problem anyway.  Except that 450b gets rid of the hated speed caps 
>> and also enables 5.1 GHz sub band.  I’m not thrilled about SMA connectors on 
>> the top, KPP included a nice mounting post for the current style 
>> connectorized SM, I’ll have to see if it still works with the new SM.
>>
>>
>>
>> What they probably need is a slightly larger and also deeper parabolic dish, 
>> get the gain back to 25 dBi, and better sidelobe performance.  Or get to the 
>> bottom of why the 450d/450b style dish seems so much more susceptible to 
>> reflection and multipath degradation.  I think Cambium expected higher xmt 
>> power would compensate for lower antenna gain, but that does nothing for 
>> downstream.
>>
>>
>>
>> I heard a rumor they were redesigning or eliminating the cable gland?  Was 
>> that mentioned at Wispapalooza?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 2:30 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>>
>>
>>
>> They are coming out with a 450b connectorized but at wispapalooza 
>> they said it was delayed until March 2020 (it was supposed to ship 
>> March of 2019)
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> Okay I haven't paid a lot of attention to PMP450 since I've been in a 
>> Telrad shop for a few years.  It looks like the old style SM was 
>> discontinued.
>>
>> The Old SM + Reflector was said to have 25dbi of gain.
>>
>> The replacement 450b "high gain" integrated dish is 22dbi.
>>
>> Are you kidding me?  Cambium, why you takin' my db's away bro?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] CnMaestro and PMP450 software upgrade

[Craig Schmaderer]

Other than making sure you have the newest version of CNUT, not sure why you 
are getting stuck there As for the updating SM's in CnMaestro, I 
usually never have any issues.   Sometimes I will get a few sms that get stuck 
and have to kill the update job if I remember, than I usually remotely power 
cycle those sms and try again.  That has only happened a few times.   

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 11:10 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CnMaestro and PMP450 software upgrade

I had an AP that wouldn't update in CNUT, so I threw the sucker in CnMaestro 
and it updated right away.

However, when I try to update the SM's the job gets stuck on "processing" 
forever.  I can update the SM's in CNUT, but what's the deal here?  Known 
issue?  I'd love to just use Maestro if I knew it was going to work.

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Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Base 3

[Craig Schmaderer]

Forrest, sounds awesome.  I will definitely give this a try.   Plus a million 
on the Librenms support.I will be ordering another 2 rackinjectors probably 
this week.   Thanks, Craig.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 6:06 PM
To: Jesse DuPont 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Base 3

One more thought...

The hard-coded OID tree is sort of what we're doing.   Each 'type' of module 
has it's own tree.   For instance, there is a mib tree called 
'packetFluxPowerControl' which is for things like PoE injectors, PDU boards, 
etc..   There's also a packetFluxGNSS for GPS receivers and the 1PPS which 
comes from them.   And a packetFluxSensors table for things like voltage 
readings on the device itself, or temperatures, etc.

Each tree has a table which contains 'columns' for each of the things you will 
find on that type of port, such as power consumption, voltage, control for the 
power, etc.We'll add additional columns as needed.

You have to index this column in some way in SNMP.   Based on past experience, 
doing it in a way which is dependent on what else is in the system causes 
problems as you add/remove things from the system.   So we decided to go with a 
two level 'slot' and 'port' index for each of the columns.  So 'slot' could 
actually be re-named to be 'device' as well.



On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 4:51 PM Jesse DuPont 
mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>> wrote:
This will be really helpful for users of LibreNMS, thank you for doing that.

I was thinking that each module could just have a hard-coded OID subtree that 
was the same regardless of the serial slot order, but user-definable should do 
the trick, too.

Jesse DuPont

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On 10/8/19 4:38 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
No, the SNMP MIB won't be the same.

The way we support SNMP in the Base II is one of the gripes we hear a lot.   
So, we changed it.

The Base 3 first of all actually has a MIB.   It's also identical MIB-wise to 
the one for the RackInjector.

Secondly, the MIB has specific tables for different types of values.   So you 
actually go after something called 'voltage' for an input voltage.   And most 
SNMP tools should put the decimal in the right spot.

It's also set up such that one should be able to use a consistent monitoring 
system setup regardless of what is attached.   With the caveat that you can't 
monitor something which isn't attached.  The base II was so dynamic that 
upgrading the firmware in an expansion module could change all of your OID 
numbering.  The new one doesn't do that since it actually uses 'slot' as part 
of the OID.   And the 'slot' number is user assigned.  So as an example, you 
can monitor the tripped-status of a port with something like:

portPowerTripped.1.4

which gives you the tripped status of the port in slot 1, port 4.Like I 
said, the slots are user-assigned (in most cases, the rackinjector ones are 
fixed), so you could 'reserve' 1-10 for your PoE devices and put monitoring for 
solar charge controllers at 11 and 12, and something else at 100, so it's 
consistent across your network.  You don't have to be contiguous or fill all 
the holes.

Oh, and MIB file contains hopefully useful descriptions such as for 
portPowerTripped:

"Whether the power has been shut down due to the detection of an overcurrent or 
other faults. This value overrides the powerEnabled value when true, ensuring 
that a port is shut down on fault. Write a '0'(false) to this OID to reset the 
trip."



On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 7:57 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
+1 for keeping SiteMonitor base 2 but I would like to see what base 3 looks 
like in Vegas.

Hopefully you have the SNMP MIB match?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 12:55 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
Sorry for the non-Friday marketing, I'm trying to get out of town headed toward 
WISPAPALOOZA with a few meetings and family visits along the way.  But figured 
several of you would be interested in the following.

(The following is a mostly-duplicate of an email I sent out to customers who 
asked to be notified of new product announcements).

At WISPAPALOOZA next week, we’ll be showcasing the SiteMonitor Base 3 Classic 
Edition.

The Base 3 is the successor of the current Base Unit II product. It’s designed 
with an easy to use and mobile-friendly web interface virtually identical to 
the one in our RackInjector product. Gone are the 1’s and 0’s of the old 

Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

[Craig Schmaderer]

Ryan Ray, Ryan never got back to me, if he does, I will split them with you if 
you want.  We are all friend here…   

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 6:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

Ditto if Craig doesn't take them. I will take them all.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 8:32 AM Craig Schmaderer 
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Ryan, email me a price for the entire lot (include what numbers you have).  I 
will take them if it makes sense for me.   
cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>Thanks

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Ryan's Amplex mailto:rh...@amplex.net>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, September 6, 2019 at 6:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

Calix reps hand out demos like candy to get you hooked then...

I’d like to sell the whole lot together.

On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Dan Spitler 
mailto:d...@common.net>> wrote:
TR-069 support isn’t actually enabled though. Have to bug them and after a lot 
of back-and-forth they’ll enable a beta release for specific MACs you give 
them. (side-note: I really wish the binaries were readily available)
Of course, I haven’t had time to play with it but think I will tonight.

How much for a Gigacenter and repeater? I’ve always wanted to try one, but 
didn’t want to bother  with the whole procurement process.



On Thursday, September 5, 2019, Ryan's Amplex 
mailto:rh...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Welp just figured out what I’m doing tonight.  So much for mowing the lawn.

On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Clint Wiley 
mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> wrote:
I thought the latest Amplifi firmware supported TR-069?

https://community.amplifi.com/topic/1862/firmware-v3-0-0


Thanks,

Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Ryan Hill mailto:rh...@amplex.net>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 4:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

I went through exactly the list of options that you mentioned David.  My 
favorite was the Amplifi, it worked flawlessly but it is expensive, and didn’t 
have access to the unifi controller which stunk.  They answer to that has been 
the Dream Machine which is better but still requires it’s own Unifi Controller 
which stinks for what were looking for.  We explored Calix extensively and even 
bought 25 Gigacenters and the Mesh units(Let me know if someone wants them?) 
but we too didn’t want to undertake using their cloud since we own our own ACS. 
 The onboarding of the Calix ourselves into our ACS wasn’t something we have 
time to do so we scrapped Calix.
This leaves Cambium or Ubnt
We’ve been selling managed router services with the r201s for a couple years 
but just started testing now the  r201s meshed with themselves and or the e430H 
wall units is working ok, or Unifi devices which we are deploying rapidly for 
business class applications and managing with the unifi controller.





   
 Ryan Hill
   Operations Manager
 Amplex Internet
  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047
  www.amplex.net<http://www.amplex.net>





On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:13 PM, Robert Andrews 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

We had customers try orbi and found a couple of problems.   1st was that you 
could not set the channel that it used for mesh.   There was a place to in the 
config but it didn't actually change anything ( it lied ) and if it chose a 
channel we were delivering on, all hell broke loose. Second was that we had a 
customer pick theirs up from Costco when they were selling them and when the 
customer went to upgrade the firmware ( hopefully to fix the mesh channel thing 
) there was no firmware available for the mesh unit they had purchased.   They 
looked, we drove out there and looked,   The unit number was nowhere in the 
orbi support firmwares and could not be upgraded.

Disqualified because of those two things..



On 09/05/2019 11:47 AM, David Coudron wrote:
We looked at a bunch of different options and decided to provide Netgear Orbi 
Mesh.   What we looked at was:
Ubiquiti Amplifi – worked great in our tests, but there is no remote management 
option
Calix Gigacenter – also worked great, but really need to commit to their cloud 
management.  That was too big a commitment for just the few meshes we do
TP Link, Google and a bunch of others – all would likely work, but most didn’t 
have remote management and/or a dedicated backhaul channel.
Mikrotik – Not really in the same category, but wasn’t a serious consideration 
as it was way to complicated and under performing
Netgear checked the

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

[Craig Schmaderer]

Started fiber in 2012 and never looked back.   Every profit my wireless makes 
goes into expanding the fiber plant.   My design is always based on what will 
take the least maintenance once installed.  It defiantly cost more to do it the 
way we do it, but we forget we have customers once they are installed.   We 
splice everything, and install customer drops in 3/4" conduit and are all 
underground, except for 8 blocks in a down town area.   Once my wireless is 25% 
of my revenue I think I will have a WISP for sale if anyone once it.   I will 
probably be at that in 2 years.  

On 9/6/19, 11:43 AM, "AF on behalf of Robert Andrews"  wrote:

Must be Zayo...

On 09/06/2019 09:31 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> That's what everyone keeps saying but my fiber provider sends me 
> e-mails every other week about pole fires taking out fiber, trees taking 
> out fiber, wind taking out fiber, etc.
> 
> On 9/6/19 12:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> When it's broken it can be expensive, but frankly it doesn't break 
>> that often.
>> -Adam
>>
>> On 9/6/2019 12:29 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> Except the contractor gets paid every time the fiber gets broken.
>>>
>>> On 9/6/19 12:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
 If you've only got 2 or 3 people *total* then you'd be relying on 
 contractors a lot and basically just being an owner/GC.  Your capex 
 will be higher than with in-house labor, but console yourself with 
 the idea that the contractor only gets paid once, and you get paid 
 for 50 years.

 -Adam


 On 9/6/2019 8:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> People ask why I don’t do fiber. The following story pretty much 
> sums it up. For those doing fiber, how do you do it with a 2 or 3 
> man team?  We’d be run ragged.  How do you stay sain?
>
>
>
>
>
> Someone was logging up in Ogdensburg near Joe Hill and took a tree 
> down which took another tree down which took another tree down 
> which snapped off the side arms of the utility pole taking out the 
> powerlines which burned the fiber underneath it.
>
>
> Last night about 11 o’clock I drove up there on my way home and 
> found the Crown Castle guys trying to figure out where the fiber 
> damage was, I talk to them for a moment and they were like yeah 
> it’s like 2500 feet away from here but we can’t figure out where 
> the fiber goes, I said follow me, so they got over there and 
> started work.
>
>
> Zito was already over there fixing their fiber with about 10 guys 
> and five trucks.
>
>
> I just spun back up there and as of this morning they (both 
> companies) are still trying to figure out why the fiber is not 
> working.
>
>
> Add to this the utility easement is on the side of a mountain and 
> not right beside the road. These guys had entire teams and haven’t 
> fixed 1,500ft of fiber in 12 hours plus had to wait nearly 7hrs to 
> even access the local due to power lines down.
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

[Craig Schmaderer]

I will just keep on digging, and digging, fiber all the way...

On 9/6/19, 9:44 AM, "AF on behalf of Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

That's what I'm guessing as well... it's going to be a VERY large 
bill... three different companies involved so far.

On 9/6/19 10:11 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And I'm guessing some logging company is paying for all those people 
> standing around trying to figure it out.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 9:06 AM Chuck McCown  > wrote:
> 
> I don’t do aerial anymore, all underground.  But back in the day I
> built miles of aerial by my self.  It is doable.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Matt Hoppes
>  > wrote:
> 
>> People ask why I don’t do fiber. The following story pretty much
>> sums it up. For those doing fiber, how do you do it with a 2 or 3
>> man team?  We’d be run ragged.  How do you stay sain?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone was logging up in Ogdensburg near Joe Hill and took a tree
>> down which took another tree down which took another tree down
>> which snapped off the side arms of the utility pole taking out the
>> powerlines which burned the fiber underneath it.
>>
>>
>> Last night about 11 o’clock I drove up there on my way home and
>> found the Crown Castle guys trying to figure out where the fiber
>> damage was, I talk to them for a moment and they were like yeah
>> it’s like 2500 feet away from here but we can’t figure out where
>> the fiber goes, I said follow me, so they got over there and
>> started work.
>>
>>
>> Zito was already over there fixing their fiber with about 10 guys
>> and five trucks.
>>
>>
>> I just spun back up there and as of this morning they (both
>> companies) are still trying to figure out why the fiber is not
>> working.
>>
>>
>> Add to this the utility easement is on the side of a mountain and
>> not right beside the road. These guys had entire teams and haven’t
>> fixed 1,500ft of fiber in 12 hours plus had to wait nearly 7hrs to
>> even access the local due to power lines down.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

[Craig Schmaderer]

Ryan, email me a price for the entire lot (include what numbers you have).  I 
will take them if it makes sense for me.   
cr...@skywaveconnect.comThanks

From: AF  on behalf of Ryan's Amplex 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, September 6, 2019 at 6:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

Calix reps hand out demos like candy to get you hooked then...

I’d like to sell the whole lot together.

On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Dan Spitler 
mailto:d...@common.net>> wrote:
TR-069 support isn’t actually enabled though. Have to bug them and after a lot 
of back-and-forth they’ll enable a beta release for specific MACs you give 
them. (side-note: I really wish the binaries were readily available)
Of course, I haven’t had time to play with it but think I will tonight.

How much for a Gigacenter and repeater? I’ve always wanted to try one, but 
didn’t want to bother  with the whole procurement process.



On Thursday, September 5, 2019, Ryan's Amplex 
mailto:rh...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Welp just figured out what I’m doing tonight.  So much for mowing the lawn.

On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Clint Wiley 
mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> wrote:
I thought the latest Amplifi firmware supported TR-069?

https://community.amplifi.com/topic/1862/firmware-v3-0-0


Thanks,

Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Ryan Hill mailto:rh...@amplex.net>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 4:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

I went through exactly the list of options that you mentioned David.  My 
favorite was the Amplifi, it worked flawlessly but it is expensive, and didn’t 
have access to the unifi controller which stunk.  They answer to that has been 
the Dream Machine which is better but still requires it’s own Unifi Controller 
which stinks for what were looking for.  We explored Calix extensively and even 
bought 25 Gigacenters and the Mesh units(Let me know if someone wants them?) 
but we too didn’t want to undertake using their cloud since we own our own ACS. 
 The onboarding of the Calix ourselves into our ACS wasn’t something we have 
time to do so we scrapped Calix.
This leaves Cambium or Ubnt
We’ve been selling managed router services with the r201s for a couple years 
but just started testing now the  r201s meshed with themselves and or the e430H 
wall units is working ok, or Unifi devices which we are deploying rapidly for 
business class applications and managing with the unifi controller.





   
 Ryan Hill
   Operations Manager
 Amplex Internet
  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047
  www.amplex.net






On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:13 PM, Robert Andrews 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

We had customers try orbi and found a couple of problems.   1st was that you 
could not set the channel that it used for mesh.   There was a place to in the 
config but it didn't actually change anything ( it lied ) and if it chose a 
channel we were delivering on, all hell broke loose. Second was that we had a 
customer pick theirs up from Costco when they were selling them and when the 
customer went to upgrade the firmware ( hopefully to fix the mesh channel thing 
) there was no firmware available for the mesh unit they had purchased.   They 
looked, we drove out there and looked,   The unit number was nowhere in the 
orbi support firmwares and could not be upgraded.

Disqualified because of those two things..



On 09/05/2019 11:47 AM, David Coudron wrote:
We looked at a bunch of different options and decided to provide Netgear Orbi 
Mesh.   What we looked at was:
Ubiquiti Amplifi – worked great in our tests, but there is no remote management 
option
Calix Gigacenter – also worked great, but really need to commit to their cloud 
management.  That was too big a commitment for just the few meshes we do
TP Link, Google and a bunch of others – all would likely work, but most didn’t 
have remote management and/or a dedicated backhaul channel.
Mikrotik – Not really in the same category, but wasn’t a serious consideration 
as it was way to complicated and under performing
Netgear checked the boxes that were important to us:
Readily available
Remotely manageable
Dedicated backhaul channel
Reasonably priced
Passed our simple testing
Regards,
David Coudron
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf 
Of *Clint Wiley
*Sent:* Thursday, September 5, 2019 1:36 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi
Hi all,
For those of you offering ‘whole house’ wifi services, what are you deploying? 
We know that the one sore point for our users is wifi coverage. Our ONT vendor 
(zhone) has been promising a solution for almost a year now but it still isn’t 
ready 

Re: [AFMUG] Chuck, what surge should I use

[Craig Schmaderer]

It is hitting this one bin that is not grounded at all.  Other bins with 
cameras have been fine, so we are going to ground the bin, but I want to stop 
this camera from at least frying the switch again if the camera goes.   Best 
way to protect the camera is give the bin a better path, but just incase I want 
to protect the switch.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 9:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Chuck, what surge should I use

Some do both ends.  Some one end.  Both camps think they are doing things 
optimally.
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I understand how a surge protector at the switch end of the cable will protect 
the switch, but I’m not sure how much it protects the camera.  I guess it 
depends on what you think is the surge source and the path it is taking to 
ground.  Or are you talking about putting a surge protector at the camera also?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 3:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Chuck, what surge should I use

CAT6 always works on everything, everywhere.  The GIGE is faster to act ang 
gives more protection but it causes errors on Cambium equipment.  If it is a 
hard to access area I would use the CAT6 otherwise the GIGE.
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2019, at 2:16 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I lost a few poe ip cameras on some grain bins.   I am going to add some 
grounding to the bins, but what would you think is the best surge to use of 
yours?

Cameras are powered by a Cisco POE switch

800-CAT6-APC
Or
800-GIGE-APC-HV

Thanks, Craig.


Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

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[AFMUG] Chuck, what surge should I use

[Craig Schmaderer]

I lost a few poe ip cameras on some grain bins.   I am going to add some 
grounding to the bins, but what would you think is the best surge to use of 
yours?

Cameras are powered by a Cisco POE switch

800-CAT6-APC
Or
800-GIGE-APC-HV

Thanks, Craig.


Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

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Re: [AFMUG] FSK Stability

[Craig Schmaderer]

Nice,  I have a few left.   I have 3 at

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 2:57 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] FSK Stability

Getting ready to decom some old FSK aps.  Almost makes me sad to unplug it.

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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Craig Schmaderer]

Yep, my experience with them is shit as well.   They bought out another company 
that I was working a transit deal on, and wanted triple the amount once they 
took ownership.  So I told them to pound sand.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 11:36 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

On 8/7/19 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> and?
> 
> 

Zayo is shit. They'll tell you they can deliver a service when they never 
actually intended to. Zayo will make up excuses for literally years, set "firm" 
dates that move every month, and say anything and blame anyone else except 
admitting they can't do the job.

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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Craig Schmaderer]

But it’s Zayo…

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 11:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

and?


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From: "Robert" mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 10:16:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

But it's Zayo...
On 8/7/19 8:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/


It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC.

I know several of you have limited transport options, so hopefully this helps.



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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor/Outdoor Fiber Patch

[Craig Schmaderer]

This is all I use anymore, just takes a month to get them.

https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Indoor/Outdoor Fiber Patch

I need an outdoor, possibly armored fiber patch cable to run from my splice 
point on the outside of the customer's house to a NID located indoors. Does 
anyone have a good source for these? I don't need them to be too long, since I 
can likely mount just inside of the house.

Thanks.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Craig Schmaderer]

If only…..

[cid:image001.png@01D4D5CF.BB2B2320]

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric car?  
Is it just electric + price?

Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only 
similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.

60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
P85D is the performance version.
Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.

Seriously considering a used model S.

-Original Message-
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored
> to be out in June.
> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> Any opinions?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck, that is so awesome.   I have almost watch all SpaceX launches live.  I 
was up that night and watched it dock.  Let him know he has a fan Craig.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 9:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that docked at 
the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any of that was building scale models of the 
Saturn V when I was a kid.  Exciting times to be alive.
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Re: [AFMUG] Troubleshooting Fiber Question

[Craig Schmaderer]

Matt and Chris are correct.   

It is so easy to see what is going on in my fiber network.  I can see power 
outages, low light levels, dying gasp, so much data.  (I use Calix).  I would 
say support/issue on my fiber network are 5% of my wireless network.  If you 
build you fiber network to survive, you will have very few issues.  It is just 
like wireless though, if you do not know what you are doing or you build it 
wrong, you will be fighting it all the time.  

Here are some examples of email alerts.

Network: skywaveCoE7sh2
SID: NTWK-skywaveCoE7sh2
ID: 1-1-5-3224
Device Type: E7-2
Source IP: 
Subscriber ID: null
User Description: 
Severity: Minor Alarm
Alarm Type: ont-dying-gasp
Alarm Description: ONT Dying Gasp
Facility: ONT
Location: N/A
Service Affect: Yes
Message Data: N/A
Observed Behavior: N/A
Action: Fault Set
Date and Time: Wed Feb 20 10:39:13 CST 2019



Network: skywaveCoE7sh1
SID: NTWK-skywaveCoE7sh1
ID: 1-1-16-2516
Device Type: Ae Ont Device
Source IP: 
Subscriber ID: null
User Description:
Severity: Minor Alarm
Alarm Type: onBattery
Alarm Description: Main Power Failure
Facility: AE ONT
Location: N/A
Service Affect: No
Message Data: N/A
Observed Behavior: N/A
Action: Fault Set
Date and Time: Sat Feb 16 09:40:20 CST 2019

On 2/20/19, 7:58 AM, "AF on behalf of Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
 wrote:

Matt,

I  agree  with Chris.  We do GPON, PPPoE, and mostly indoor units.  We
have an internally written web page that will show us everyone that is
off  line.   Using this page we can determine very quickly if it is an
individual, regional or system issue.

The status lights on the indoor unit may it very easy to tell if it is
a power issue or a fiber issue.

90% of the time if it is a cut fiber, we can find it quickly.  Most of
the  time it is oblivious where they were digging.  We also will
use  the locator to see where the trace wire has been cut.  Finally we
will  bring  out  the OTDR.  If the customer doesn't have light we can
shoot from the customer side using any wave length.  If we are shoot a
live  fiber  we will use our GPON OTDR that uses a wave length outside
of our range.

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MH> With wireless - it's very easy to determine where the source of an 
MH> outage is can I access the local side?  If so, then dispatch to 
MH> remote side. if not, then dispatch to local side.

MH> How do you do that with fiber?  Especially GPON?  How do I know if an 
MH> outage is caused by "power out to end points" or if something just 
MH> "drove through/dug through my fiber lines", without dispatching someone
MH> first to the local side to shoot an OTDR?

MH> Basically, how do you efficiently dispatch to resolve an issue in a 
MH> timely fashion with fiber?  Is there a way to shoot an OTDR from an SFP
MH> optic so you know if it's a break or a remote end issue before even 
MH> dispatching a tech?


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Re: [AFMUG] Pipe

[Craig Schmaderer]

My go to pipe is 2.5” IMC, it has a 2.875 OD.  I get it usually from my 
electrical wholesaler, but if you have a Menards, they will ship to store for 
free.
https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/conduit-conduit-fittings-raceways/conduit/wheatland-tube-company-imc-conduit/3651444/p-146525438.htm

From: AF  on behalf of Jeremy 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 11:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pipe

Yeah, IMC - my keyboard missed a letter.

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:00 AM Jeremy 
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You want 3" IC (Intermediate Conduit) - stuff is solid as a rock and usually 
galvanized pretty well also.  You can get a cap for it at the plumbing supply 
store

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 10:02 AM dave via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Have you tried an Electrical supply warehouse. I was amazed at some of the pipe 
for mounting and conduit they have.


On 1/22/19 10:31 AM, Matt wrote:

Has anyone found a local source for pipe with OD of around 3.5 inches

heavy enough for mounting larger dishes, etc?  Anything at big chains

to save shipping?


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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual fiber

[Craig Schmaderer]

So do I need to start advertising my fiber as “physical fiber works by using 
sharks with lasers to connect customers to the internet."  I remember a time 
when I once thought this business was going to be that easy.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 4:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual fiber

Telus has been calling its VDSL2 based last mile service, from curb boxes with 
small Huawei DSLAMs, and in the basements of MDUs, "Optik" for a long time. 
With marketing bullshit materials that have billboards, bus stop ads, ads on 
buses and such showing fiber optic cables.

And that's a huge ILEC.

On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 6:40 AM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Reminds me of a Century Link ad campaign for DSL.  They called it fiber 
service, the fiber delivered high speed to a point right outside your home or 
business (as long as right out side was within 10,000 feet)

From: Tim Withrow via AF
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2019 12:07 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Tim Withrow
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual fiber


"virtual fiber works by using wireless signals to connect customers to the 
internet."

"Though the technology FiberXstream uses is available to the mass market"

Sounds like someone has great ambitions and has got overzealous with marketing 
rhetoric for a wireless network.


On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 TJ Trout mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> 
wrote:
Anyone know what virtual fiber is and why it's harder to deploy than 
traditional fiber?? 藍藍

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Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

[Craig Schmaderer]

Ken, I will answer some of these.  I have been using Calix now since 201, 844E 
since maybe 2016 and here is what I know about your answers.  (Could be wrong)

CC+ is basically dead, you would not start with that anymore.  I have it now 
and I am moving to Support Cloud.  From what I understand is that CC+ was 
mostly a third party software that Calix could only do so much with.  They 
wanted to add features and change things but they were not able to fully 
customize the software.  This is why they created Support Cloud (I was told 
this is completely their own I think)

So DME Support Cloud is basically what CC+ is or was, it can do auto 
setup/firmware/change ssid/see connected devices/do manual channel scans.  
Think of it as everything you would need for your front staff to easily config 
and change stuff.

The biggest difference that I see in EME is what I have always wanted in CC+.  
They integrated their NETFLOW analyzer into EME so you can see real time what a 
customers is doing through the 844E router.  I believe they also record it for 
a few months so when Billy calls in the next day, your front staff can say his 
internet was slow last night because it looks like the XBOX chewed through 
100GB of data at 9PM.  The other main feature is I think you can set it to do 
once a day wifi scans and auto change the channels to mitigate interference.

I hope that helps,  I am up to 500 844E routers now with 2 failures, one was 
fried, other 2.4Ghz quit.  Best router I have ever used.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

Cory, thanks for the info.  I think a forum like this one is helpful when 
dealing with smaller operators like WISPs, you get some leverage by 
communicating with a bunch of us simultaneously, rather than having to answer 
the same questions over and over.

1)  When you say Support Cloud is your next Gen product set that replaces CC+, 
how should we interpret that?  Is Consumer Connect deprecated and we should 
only be looking at EME/DME?  Or is Support Cloud something you are moving 
toward in some future timeframe but we should still think in terms of using CC+ 
today and migrating in the future?

2)  Not sure I follow the distinction between EME and DME.  Is this just an 
upgrade, like you could start out on DME, and later decide if you want to 
upgrade at a higher per sub per month rate and get the additional features?  Or 
is this more of a decision that you make upfront?

3)  Do we need to deploy any servers in our network to use the 844E and take 
advantage of all the features, or is this all a cloud service available from 
Calix for a fee?  I was assuming the latter, but I’m not clear on this point.

4)  Do we need to integrate with other billing/operations systems like 
Powercode or Sonar, or can this be done manually via the Calix cloud services?

5)  With DME, do customers get a web portal where they can view analytics and 
make config changes like port forwarding and QoS for their devices?  I could 
only find information on the embedded web interface in the 844E itself, and 
that is very basic stuff, not competitive with what customers get with a 
Netgear Nighthawk or a Google WiFi system, so not going to impress anyone.

6)  With the direct sales model and cloud management, there are some signup 
steps needed to even be able to order some eval units and try them out.  Are 
there other barriers to getting started, like minimum volume commitments?  
Basically, anything that says if you’re not going to use at least X of these 
total or per year, Calix is not the right solution for you?  Fiber operators 
are in a different situation, if they are building out to 1,000 locations and 
expect a 50% take rate, they are going to need 500 routers because every 
customer is getting one, just like a cable operator where every customer gets a 
residential or business gateway that also acts as the cable modem.  Whereas a 
WISP faces a decision whether to require that every customer get one and absorb 
the cost, or to offer it as an optional upgrade and charge a fee for the 
additional performance and features.  Also what to do with existing customers 
who may have a customer owned router or another brand of leased/managed router 
like a Mikrotik or Cambium or TP-Link.  If we go the route of optional upgrade, 
then we are only guessing at the take rate.  That will also depend on 
demographics and pricing.  My customer base tilts toward miserly and low tech, 
and the more tech savvy and upscale customers like to shop for their own tech 
toys.  That said, if we decided to eat the cost and offer a free 844E and 804 
Mesh units as needed, few people are going to turn down fancy free stuff.  
(Sorry, that question rambled a bit.  Or a lot.)




From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cory Polman
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard from Forrest or Packetflux lately?

[Craig Schmaderer]

I am just happy to hear that Forrest and Packetflux is all well. It’s never a 
good day when you start searching through the local obituaries.  ;)


From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 7:58:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard from Forrest or Packetflux lately?

Where do you add the rule?

From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 6:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard from Forrest or Packetflux lately?

Fortunately in this case,  the Google spam miscategorization was as easy as 
adding a rule to prevent the miscategorization.

And the office 365 block was fairly easy to resolve as well.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 6:21 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
Good luck. Google doesn't generally have a way to fix their problems.



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From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 2:41:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard from Forrest or Packetflux lately?

And to add insult to injury, Google seems to have decided that any bounce 
messages generated by messages being sent from the ticketing system is spam:

[image.png]

I hate dealing with mail some days.   Looks like it's all sorted now, and if it 
reoccurs we'll be getting bounce messages correctly...

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:08 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:
Grr... I hate microsoft some days found the cause of the message not 
getting through.

"SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:: 
550 5.7.606 Access denied, banned sending IP [74.124.200.113]. To request 
removal from this list please visit https://sender.office.com/ and follow the 
directions. For more information please go to  
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=526655 (AS16012609)"

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:40 AM Craig Schmaderer  
wrote:
Awesome!  Thanks Forrest.  I use Office365 and I do not see any of those 
replies.  Can you email me direct what address was used for those emails and I 
can do a search on the mail server to see if I ever received them, (which I 
don’t think I did)cr...@skywaveconnect.com Glad to here you are still 
around!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 12:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard from Forrest or Packetflux lately?

You might want to check your spam folder for replies from our ticketing system. 
   Please let me know if you got them there, as we're trying to determine if 
this type of thing is a 'ticketing system didn't send the message' or 'spam 
filters are eating the messages' issue.   Note that we were out of the office 
last week at a second trade show,

We have an email inbound from you on 10/15 inquiring about an order, and a 
response from Debbie on 10/16 providing status and an ETA.  On 10/22 we have a 
followup email asking for an update, which we replied with additional status 
information the same day.

There is a big pile of voicemails (5) this morning between 10:25 and 11:18 
(everyone decided to call at once), Debbie is working through them - don't know 
if yours is among them.

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:40 AM Craig Schmaderer  
wrote:
I have been trying to get in touch with them for over a week through email and 
phone calls.  It looks like the last time Forrest emailed the list was October 
11th.   Forrest if you see this can you give me a buzz?   Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard from Forrest or Packetflux lately?

[Craig Schmaderer]

Awesome!  Thanks Forrest.  I use Office365 and I do not see any of those 
replies.  Can you email me direct what address was used for those emails and I 
can do a search on the mail server to see if I ever received them, (which I 
don’t think I did)cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com> 
Glad to here you are still around!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 12:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard from Forrest or Packetflux lately?

You might want to check your spam folder for replies from our ticketing system. 
   Please let me know if you got them there, as we're trying to determine if 
this type of thing is a 'ticketing system didn't send the message' or 'spam 
filters are eating the messages' issue.   Note that we were out of the office 
last week at a second trade show,

We have an email inbound from you on 10/15 inquiring about an order, and a 
response from Debbie on 10/16 providing status and an ETA.  On 10/22 we have a 
followup email asking for an update, which we replied with additional status 
information the same day.

There is a big pile of voicemails (5) this morning between 10:25 and 11:18 
(everyone decided to call at once), Debbie is working through them - don't know 
if yours is among them.

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:40 AM Craig Schmaderer 
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I have been trying to get in touch with them for over a week through email and 
phone calls.  It looks like the last time Forrest emailed the list was October 
11th.   Forrest if you see this can you give me a buzz?   Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
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[AFMUG] Anyone heard from Forrest or Packetflux lately?

[Craig Schmaderer]

I have been trying to get in touch with them for over a week through email and 
phone calls.  It looks like the last time Forrest emailed the list was October 
11th.   Forrest if you see this can you give me a buzz?   Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Craig Schmaderer]

We are using the Calix 844e as well.  I charge $10 for managed router, probably 
above 80% take rate.  If we determine that the house needs a 804 mesh or if 
they have problem issues with just include it in the $10 they are already 
paying.  So far I would say 1 out of 20 gets an 804.  Hopefully it stays that 
way or I might start maybe adding on a $50 setup or something to get part of 
the 804 back.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 1:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

Do the aircubes work with the Unifi cloud interface for management?

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:56 PM Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We were using the Air Cube ACs also on Ubiquiti installations and the Mimosa 
G2s on Mimosa installations specifically because of the repeater abilities.

Rory

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

We use the Ubiquiti AirCube AC and add an additional unit in repeater mode if 
needed.  So far they are working great got about 40 in the field.  They are 
also our POE source going forward, for ubiquiti radios and fiber ONU.  All 
managed through UNMS.





On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I 
always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging into 
details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi outside, or by 
the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to accommodate these peoples 
requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge additional $10/month for each 
extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at the same time make it worth my 
time dealing with them. Seems to me i should be walking away with minimum $500 
for getting flawless wifi coverage in their house plus more monthly fee.
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