Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported/ar-BB122vvc

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 4:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

 

He also said he can consistently get 260% return on the stock market.   Wonder 
how that’s working out.

 

Mark





On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

matt said the world would be dead by now

 

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 6:44 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Bahahaha. 


On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

And Matt was right all along...

 

 

On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not the 
flu? 

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous. 

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's going on 
and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the world. 

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to get a 
report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very long lag 
and we are currently sitting in it. 

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere? 

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 



You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the reports 
from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities outside of 
mainland China. 

Just stay away from bat soup. 


bp 
 

On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 



So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused China 
to: 

Send the president into hiding 
Build several emergency hospitals 
Lock down major cities 
Extend the CNY 
In some cases barricade people in their homes 
Daily fumigation of streets 
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies 
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine 
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information 
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums 

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone dealing 
in international trade. If asked how things are going they all respond with 
extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in Wuhan and things 
are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases. 

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we don’t 
that they are willing to risk their economy? 

On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com%20mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote: 




This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is below 
2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the infectiousness 
is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is 
rated at 15). 

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal. 

Fear driven journalism. 


bp 
 

On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 



https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 the map 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com%20mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

this is the Johns Hopkins map 
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have 
been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread 
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who 
had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in 
New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small 
jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
dirtiest on the planet. 
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will 
lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people. 

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player 
and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com%20%0b   %20mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote: 

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has 
something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all 
their stuff is made in China? 

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting 
to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this 
year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact 
their manufact

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Mark Radabaugh]

He also said he can consistently get 260% return on the stock market.   Wonder 
how that’s working out.

Mark

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> matt said the world would be dead by now
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 6:44 PM Matt Hoppes 
>  > wrote:
> Bahahaha. 
> 
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> 
>> And Matt was right all along...
>>  
>> 
>> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
>>> It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not 
>>> the flu? 
>>> 
>>> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
>>> before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous. 
>>> 
>>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
>>> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the 
>>> world. 
>>> 
>>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to 
>>> get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very 
>>> long lag and we are currently sitting in it. 
>>> 
>>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
>>> health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere? 
>>> 
>>> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 
 You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
 reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
 fatalities outside of mainland China. 
 
 Just stay away from bat soup. 
 
 
 bp 
  
 
 On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 
> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
> China to: 
> 
> Send the president into hiding 
> Build several emergency hospitals 
> Lock down major cities 
> Extend the CNY 
> In some cases barricade people in their homes 
> Daily fumigation of streets 
> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies 
> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine 
> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information 
> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums 
> 
> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained 
> in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in 
> cases. 
> 
> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we 
> don’t that they are willing to risk their economy? 
> 
> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince  
> mailto:part15...@gmail.com <>> wrote: 
> 
>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is 
>> below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the 
>> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
>> (measles by comparison is rated at 15). 
>> 
>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal. 
>> 
>> Fear driven journalism. 
>> 
>> 
>> bp 
>>  
>> 
>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 
>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  the map 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones >> <> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> this is the Johns Hopkins map 
>>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have 
>>> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread 
>>> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who 
>>> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in 
>>> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small 
>>> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
>>> dirtiest on the planet. 
>>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will 
>>> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people. 
>>> 
>>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player 
>>> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  
>>> mailto:af...@kwisp.com <>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has 
>>> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all 
>>> their stuff is made in China? 
>>> 
>>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

I mean.. it's close... wait and see :P

On 3/31/20 7:57 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

matt said the world would be dead by now


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 6:44 PM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


Bahahaha.

On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
wrote:


And Matt was right all along...

On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only
just started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here
in the U.S maybe it's not the flu?

2019-nCoV has a*14 week incubation period*... meaning
spreading is happening before people even know it -- thus
making this particularly dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture
on what's going on and what's going to  be going on, but on
CN and elsewhere in the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and
about 7 days to get a report back on a positive/negative test
culture, so there is a very long lag and we are currently
sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2
fatalities because the health care systems are not yet
overwhelmed elsewhere?

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably
trust the reports from everywhere else. The fact is that
there have been 2 fatalities outside of mainland China.

Just stay away from bat soup.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal
has caused China to:

Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken
into quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens
for anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how
things are going they all respond with extremely similar
answers about how everything is contained in Wuhan and
things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal
Virus” that we don’t that they are willing to risk their
economy?

On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com> wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the
fatality rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as
these things go). Second, the infectiousness is fairly low
as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by
comparison is rated at 15).

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all
that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
the map

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

    this is the Johns Hopkins map
    Pretty much all the prediction models of global
pandemic have
    been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It
hasnt spread
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with
people who
    had been infected in china. theyre offloading a
cruise ship in
    New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have
a small
    jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese
air is the
    dirtiest on the planet.
    I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks
ago, i will
    lick it when it gets here and then come breath on
people.

    UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS
LTE Player
    and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

    On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

    I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
    something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact
that all
    their stuff is made in China?

    I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs
are starting
    to stockpile equipment that might be in short
supply this
    year.  I know China will try not to let the virus
impact
  

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

matt said the world would be dead by now


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 6:44 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Bahahaha.
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM,   wrote:
>
> And Matt was right all along...
>
>
> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
>> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
>> it's not the flu?
>>
>> 2019-nCoV has a* 14 week incubation period*... meaning spreading is
>> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
>> dangerous.
>>
>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
>> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the
>> world.
>>
>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to
>> get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very
>> long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>>
>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
>> the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>>
>> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
>> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities
>> outside of mainland China.
>>
>> Just stay away from bat soup.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused
>> China to:
>>
>> Send the president into hiding
>> Build several emergency hospitals
>> Lock down major cities
>> Extend the CNY
>> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>> Daily fumigation of streets
>> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
>> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
>> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
>>
>> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone
>> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all
>> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in
>> Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.
>>
>> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we
>> don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > mailto:part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is
>> below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the
>> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles
>> by comparison is rated at 15).
>>
>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
>>
>> Fear driven journalism.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>> the map
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones > mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> this is the Johns Hopkins map
>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
>> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
>> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
>> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
>> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
>> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
>> dirtiest on the planet.
>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
>> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>>
>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
>> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof > mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
>> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
>> their stuff is made in China?
>>
>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
>> to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
>> year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact
>> their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
>> won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
>> that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
>> assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV
>> supplies may be affected.
>>
>> *From:* AF > mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Rex-List
>> Account
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 9:58 AM
>> *To:* AF@af.afmug.com mailto:AF@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>>
>> What’s up with the Ubiguiti stock pric

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

Bahahaha. 

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM,   wrote:
> 
> And Matt was right all along...
>  
> 
>>> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
>>> It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not 
>>> the flu? 
>>> 
>>> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
>>> before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous. 
>>> 
>>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
>>> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the 
>>> world. 
>>> 
>>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to 
>>> get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very 
>>> long lag and we are currently sitting in it. 
>>> 
>>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
>>> health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere? 
>>> 
 On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 
 You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
 reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
 fatalities outside of mainland China. 
 
 Just stay away from bat soup. 
 
 
 bp 
  
 
> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 
> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
> China to: 
> 
> Send the president into hiding 
> Build several emergency hospitals 
> Lock down major cities 
> Extend the CNY 
> In some cases barricade people in their homes 
> Daily fumigation of streets 
> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies 
> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine 
> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information 
> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums 
> 
> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained 
> in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in 
> cases. 
> 
> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we 
> don’t that they are willing to risk their economy? 
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > mailto:part15...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is 
>> below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the 
>> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
>> (measles by comparison is rated at 15). 
>> 
>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal. 
>> 
>> Fear driven journalism. 
>> 
>> 
>> bp 
>>  
>> 
>>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 
>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>  the map 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones >> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> this is the Johns Hopkins map 
>>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have 
>>> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread 
>>> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who 
>>> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in 
>>> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small 
>>> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
>>> dirtiest on the planet. 
>>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will 
>>> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people. 
>>> 
>>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player 
>>> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof >> mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has 
>>> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all 
>>> their stuff is made in China? 
>>> 
>>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting 
>>> to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this 
>>> year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact 
>>> their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it 
>>> won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area 
>>> that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and 
>>> assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV 
>>> supplies may be affected. 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[chuck]

And Matt was right all along...



  On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not the 
flu? 

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous. 

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the 
world. 

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to 
get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very long 
lag and we are currently sitting in it. 

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere? 

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 

  You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities 
outside of mainland China. 

  Just stay away from bat soup. 


  bp 
   

  On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 

So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
China to: 

Send the president into hiding 
Build several emergency hospitals 
Lock down major cities 
Extend the CNY 
In some cases barricade people in their homes 
Daily fumigation of streets 
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies 
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into 
quarantine 
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information 
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums 

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all respond 
with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in Wuhan and 
things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases. 

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we 
don’t that they are willing to risk their economy? 

On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> wrote: 


  This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate 
is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the 
infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by 
comparison is rated at 15). 

  So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that 
fatal. 

  Fear driven journalism. 


  bp 
   

  On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 


https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 the map 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: 

this is the Johns Hopkins map 
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have 
been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread 
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who 
had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in 
New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small 
jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
dirtiest on the planet. 
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will 
lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people. 

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player 
and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> wrote: 

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has 
something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all 
their stuff is made in China? 

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are 
starting 
to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this 
year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact 
their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how 
it 
won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area 
that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and 
assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that 
TV 
supplies may be affected. 

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Rex-List 
Account 
*Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 9:58 AM 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

Chinese are very susceptible to new respiratory diseases, i think their
three year old probably havenlungs that look like mine and ive smokes for
30 years. My guess is their immune systems are taxed keeping community
immunity pathogens like the flu at bay. When a new pathogen is introduced
they just dont have the immune fortitude to do much. There is lead
contamination in everything over there, they probably feel safer drinking
mercury than their water.
They havent really gotten into the details of who in the population is most
affected. My guess is it is not the wealthy who are afforded a different
quality of general healthcare than are the normal people. I think youd see
a similar rate of infection in other totalitarian regimes like north korea.
Now a cruise ship is the great equalizer, lock everybody in the same can
while the pathogens breed and everybody becomes the same class.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020, 8:07 PM Robert  wrote:

> And a counterpoint...   CN has the flu too, and many die from it.   But
> they aren't driving around spraying disenfectant out of fogging trucks
> to battle the flu.   Prep, don't prep, doesn't matter to me.  But saying
> that others don't need to worry about it is being an authority on
> something there are no authorities on except those in a country that
> doesn't care if the rest of the world is in trouble..  & it sounds like
> a lot of those that are on the front lines fighting this are dying...
>
> On 2/9/20 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > Let me fix that for you:
> > Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
> without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
> (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
> >
> > So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
> >
> >> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in
> the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
> >>
> >> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >>> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
> it's not the flu?
> >>>
> >>> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
> dangerous.
> >>>
> >>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the
> world.
> >>>
> >>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days
> to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a
> very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
> >>>
> >>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
> the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
> >>>
>  On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>  You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities
> outside of mainland China.
> 
>  Just stay away from bat soup.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
> > On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
> caused China to:
> >
> > Send the president into hiding
> > Build several emergency hospitals
> > Lock down major cities
> > Extend the CNY
> > In some cases barricade people in their homes
> > Daily fumigation of streets
> > Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
> > People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
> quarantine
> > Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
> > Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
> >
> > China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for
> anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they
> all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is
> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording
> in cases.
> >
> > Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that
> we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
> >
> >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince  > wrote:
> >>
> >> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality
> rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second,
> the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3
> (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
> >>
> >> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that
> fatal.
> >>
> >> Fear driven journalism.
> >>
> >>
> >>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Robert]

And a counterpoint...   CN has the flu too, and many die from it.   But 
they aren't driving around spraying disenfectant out of fogging trucks 
to battle the flu.   Prep, don't prep, doesn't matter to me.  But saying 
that others don't need to worry about it is being an authority on 
something there are no authorities on except those in a country that 
doesn't care if the rest of the world is in trouble..  & it sounds like 
a lot of those that are on the front lines fighting this are dying...


On 2/9/20 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Let me fix that for you:
Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died without 
being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason (eg 
Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).

So the numbers being reported are not accurate.


On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in the US 
from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.

https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/

Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.


bp



On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not the 
flu?

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's going on 
and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to get a 
report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very long lag 
and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?


On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the reports 
from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities outside of mainland 
China.

Just stay away from bat soup.


bp



On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused China to:

Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone dealing 
in international trade. If asked how things are going they all respond with 
extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in Wuhan and things 
are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we don’t 
that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is below 
2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the infectiousness 
is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is 
rated at 15).

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp



On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 the map

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 this is the Johns Hopkins map
 Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
 been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
 outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
 had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
 New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
 jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
 dirtiest on the planet.
 I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
 lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

 UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
 and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

 On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

 I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
 something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
 their stuff is made in China?

 I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
 to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
 year.  I know China will try no

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

I am pissed though, because im wondering if the ship with my tools got
quarantined. it was 10-20 day shipping and that was january 11. I emailed
the contact and got no response, I assume the contact is in the new prison
hospital getting a lead based vaccine on his way to the incinerator.

Also, as long as its off topic, there is a plague of locusts in Africa.
Thats kind of bad, but will help with NLOS due to foliage

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 9:50 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Chinas numbers dont matter.
> The 300 or so outside china matter, and those numbers are currently of
> nearly zero concern since the only ones dying are people who were already
> compromised prior to leaving china where they were infected. Aside from the
> anticipated infections due to long term confinement in proximity on cruise
> ships, there have only been two infections outside china, and those two
> were intimate contact. If this were highly contagious, the hundreds of
> thousands of airplane passengers that were exposed would have spread this
> globally by now. I dont understand why people are still spouting the same
> rhetoric today as they were a month ago
>
> This, in the long term may be a very good thing for consumers. Between the
> suspicious trade practices, the tariffs, the shipping lead times, etc, Many
> manufacturers have to have given serious consideration to alternate
> sourcing. 25% tariffs, or zero shipping makes the increase in production
> costs much less risky. As production moves to other nations with low labor
> costs, the long term pricing prospects will balance out to chinese
> manufacturing costs. It will only take one major company to move
> manufacturing out to trigger the dominos. If the 4d chess conspiracies have
> any merit, its quite possible that the US created the kungflu to force
> production out of china.
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:29 AM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Can we re-start this thread as OT: as it's no longer strongly related to
>> WISP topics? Unless we wish to change the subject to equipment sourcing;
>> from my recent communications and attempts it seems like a big part of the
>> world's fiber SFPs are manufactured in the Shenzhen region.
>>
>> My understanding is that a high number of cases / deaths were not being
>> diagnosed as the disease as the Wuhan hospitals etc. are extremely
>> overloaded and test kits are hard to get / slow - some experts have said
>> that the true number of infections could be 100K+ by now.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 7:58 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> And Beijing is now on lock down.
>>>
>>> Still thinking this isn’t something to be concerned about?
>>>
>>> Chiba knows something they aren’t telling the rest of the world.
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do expect some of the more nefarious vendors to make hay on this
>>> though. Just like they did on the tarrifs. Between kung flu and tarriffs,
>>> there arensome companies my boss will have to punch me in the mouth if he
>>> wants me to buy the gear.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 9:54 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This virus has beennknown at least since early december. It been known
 outside china since early january, well outside the 3 to 4 weeks. Still
 under 300 outside china. I literally ignore the china numbers, they have
 the worst air quality in recorded history on the planet.
 Kung flu is less concerning than west Nile, and i dont worry about that
 either

 On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 8:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just
> finding infected people now.
>
> Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are.
>
> Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no
> symptoms but is infectious.
>
> Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better
> before becoming terminal.
>
> The entire timeline is about 4 weeks.
>
> > On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >
> > None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong
> Kong. All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal
> so far.
> >
> > 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the
> US.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> >> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> Let me fix that for you:
> >> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
> without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
> (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
> >>
> >> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
> >>
> >>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have
> died in the US from the flu. T

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

Chinas numbers dont matter.
The 300 or so outside china matter, and those numbers are currently of
nearly zero concern since the only ones dying are people who were already
compromised prior to leaving china where they were infected. Aside from the
anticipated infections due to long term confinement in proximity on cruise
ships, there have only been two infections outside china, and those two
were intimate contact. If this were highly contagious, the hundreds of
thousands of airplane passengers that were exposed would have spread this
globally by now. I dont understand why people are still spouting the same
rhetoric today as they were a month ago

This, in the long term may be a very good thing for consumers. Between the
suspicious trade practices, the tariffs, the shipping lead times, etc, Many
manufacturers have to have given serious consideration to alternate
sourcing. 25% tariffs, or zero shipping makes the increase in production
costs much less risky. As production moves to other nations with low labor
costs, the long term pricing prospects will balance out to chinese
manufacturing costs. It will only take one major company to move
manufacturing out to trigger the dominos. If the 4d chess conspiracies have
any merit, its quite possible that the US created the kungflu to force
production out of china.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:29 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Can we re-start this thread as OT: as it's no longer strongly related to
> WISP topics? Unless we wish to change the subject to equipment sourcing;
> from my recent communications and attempts it seems like a big part of the
> world's fiber SFPs are manufactured in the Shenzhen region.
>
> My understanding is that a high number of cases / deaths were not being
> diagnosed as the disease as the Wuhan hospitals etc. are extremely
> overloaded and test kits are hard to get / slow - some experts have said
> that the true number of infections could be 100K+ by now.
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 7:58 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> And Beijing is now on lock down.
>>
>> Still thinking this isn’t something to be concerned about?
>>
>> Chiba knows something they aren’t telling the rest of the world.
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I do expect some of the more nefarious vendors to make hay on this
>> though. Just like they did on the tarrifs. Between kung flu and tarriffs,
>> there arensome companies my boss will have to punch me in the mouth if he
>> wants me to buy the gear.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 9:54 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This virus has beennknown at least since early december. It been known
>>> outside china since early january, well outside the 3 to 4 weeks. Still
>>> under 300 outside china. I literally ignore the china numbers, they have
>>> the worst air quality in recorded history on the planet.
>>> Kung flu is less concerning than west Nile, and i dont worry about that
>>> either
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 8:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just
 finding infected people now.

 Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are.

 Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no
 symptoms but is infectious.

 Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better
 before becoming terminal.

 The entire timeline is about 4 weeks.

 > On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
 >
 > None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong
 Kong. All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal
 so far.
 >
 > 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the
 US.
 >
 >
 > bp
 > 
 >
 >> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 >> Let me fix that for you:
 >> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
 without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
 (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
 >>
 >> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
 >>
 >>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died
 in the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
 >>>
 >>>
 https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
 >>>
 >>> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> bp
 >>> 
 >>>
  On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
 started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
 it's not the flu?
 
  2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Colin Stanners]

Can we re-start this thread as OT: as it's no longer strongly related to
WISP topics? Unless we wish to change the subject to equipment sourcing;
from my recent communications and attempts it seems like a big part of the
world's fiber SFPs are manufactured in the Shenzhen region.

My understanding is that a high number of cases / deaths were not being
diagnosed as the disease as the Wuhan hospitals etc. are extremely
overloaded and test kits are hard to get / slow - some experts have said
that the true number of infections could be 100K+ by now.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 7:58 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> And Beijing is now on lock down.
>
> Still thinking this isn’t something to be concerned about?
>
> Chiba knows something they aren’t telling the rest of the world.
>
> On Feb 9, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I do expect some of the more nefarious vendors to make hay on this though.
> Just like they did on the tarrifs. Between kung flu and tarriffs, there
> arensome companies my boss will have to punch me in the mouth if he wants
> me to buy the gear.
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 9:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> This virus has beennknown at least since early december. It been known
>> outside china since early january, well outside the 3 to 4 weeks. Still
>> under 300 outside china. I literally ignore the china numbers, they have
>> the worst air quality in recorded history on the planet.
>> Kung flu is less concerning than west Nile, and i dont worry about that
>> either
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 8:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just
>>> finding infected people now.
>>>
>>> Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are.
>>>
>>> Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no
>>> symptoms but is infectious.
>>>
>>> Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better before
>>> becoming terminal.
>>>
>>> The entire timeline is about 4 weeks.
>>>
>>> > On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong
>>> Kong. All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal
>>> so far.
>>> >
>>> > 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the
>>> US.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> >> Let me fix that for you:
>>> >> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
>>> without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
>>> (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
>>> >>
>>> >> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died
>>> in the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> bp
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>
>>>  On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>  There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
>>> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
>>> it's not the flu?
>>> 
>>>  2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
>>> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
>>> dangerous.
>>> 
>>>  In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on
>>> what's going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere
>>> in the world.
>>> 
>>>  The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7
>>> days to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is
>>> a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>>> 
>>>  Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities
>>> because the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>>> 
>>> > On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust
>>> the reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
>>> fatalities outside of mainland China.
>>> >
>>> > Just stay away from bat soup.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> >> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
>>> caused China to:
>>> >>
>>> >> Send the president into hiding
>>> >> Build several emergency hospitals
>>> >> Lock down major cities
>>> >> Extend the CNY
>>> >> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>>> >> Daily fumigation of streets
>>> >> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>>> >> People being forcibly removed

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

And Beijing is now on lock down. 

Still thinking this isn’t something to be concerned about?

Chiba knows something they aren’t telling the rest of the world. 

> On Feb 9, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> I do expect some of the more nefarious vendors to make hay on this though. 
> Just like they did on the tarrifs. Between kung flu and tarriffs, there 
> arensome companies my boss will have to punch me in the mouth if he wants me 
> to buy the gear.
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 9:54 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>> This virus has beennknown at least since early december. It been known 
>> outside china since early january, well outside the 3 to 4 weeks. Still 
>> under 300 outside china. I literally ignore the china numbers, they have the 
>> worst air quality in recorded history on the planet.
>> Kung flu is less concerning than west Nile, and i dont worry about that 
>> either 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 8:27 PM Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just 
>>> finding infected people now. 
>>> 
>>> Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are. 
>>> 
>>> Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no 
>>> symptoms but is infectious. 
>>> 
>>> Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better before 
>>> becoming terminal. 
>>> 
>>> The entire timeline is about 4 weeks. 
>>> 
>>> > On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong Kong. 
>>> > All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal so 
>>> > far.
>>> > 
>>> > 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the US.
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> >> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> >> Let me fix that for you:
>>> >> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died 
>>> >> without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final 
>>> >> reason (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
>>> >> 
>>> >> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
>>> >> 
>>> >>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in 
>>> >>> the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> bp
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> 
>>>  On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>  There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just 
>>>  started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S 
>>>  maybe it's not the flu?
>>>  
>>>  2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is 
>>>  happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
>>>  dangerous.
>>>  
>>>  In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
>>>  going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in 
>>>  the world.
>>>  
>>>  The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days 
>>>  to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is 
>>>  a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>>>  
>>>  Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because 
>>>  the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>>>  
>>> > On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
>>> > reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
>>> > fatalities outside of mainland China.
>>> > 
>>> > Just stay away from bat soup.
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> >> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> >> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has 
>>> >> caused China to:
>>> >> 
>>> >> Send the president into hiding
>>> >> Build several emergency hospitals
>>> >> Lock down major cities
>>> >> Extend the CNY
>>> >> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>>> >> Daily fumigation of streets
>>> >> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>>> >> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into 
>>> >> quarantine
>>> >> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
>>> >> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
>>> >> 
>>> >> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for 
>>> >> anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going 
>>> >> they all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything 
>>> >> is contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the 
>>> >> same wording in cases.
>>> >>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

I do expect some of the more nefarious vendors to make hay on this though.
Just like they did on the tarrifs. Between kung flu and tarriffs, there
arensome companies my boss will have to punch me in the mouth if he wants
me to buy the gear.

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 9:54 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> This virus has beennknown at least since early december. It been known
> outside china since early january, well outside the 3 to 4 weeks. Still
> under 300 outside china. I literally ignore the china numbers, they have
> the worst air quality in recorded history on the planet.
> Kung flu is less concerning than west Nile, and i dont worry about that
> either
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 8:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just
>> finding infected people now.
>>
>> Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are.
>>
>> Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no
>> symptoms but is infectious.
>>
>> Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better before
>> becoming terminal.
>>
>> The entire timeline is about 4 weeks.
>>
>> > On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> >
>> > None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong
>> Kong. All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal
>> so far.
>> >
>> > 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the US.
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> >> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> >> Let me fix that for you:
>> >> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
>> without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
>> (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
>> >>
>> >> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died
>> in the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
>> >>>
>> >>> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> bp
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>>  On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>  There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
>> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
>> it's not the flu?
>> 
>>  2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
>> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
>> dangerous.
>> 
>>  In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on
>> what's going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere
>> in the world.
>> 
>>  The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7
>> days to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is
>> a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>> 
>>  Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities
>> because the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>> 
>> > On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust
>> the reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
>> fatalities outside of mainland China.
>> >
>> > Just stay away from bat soup.
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> >> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> >> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
>> caused China to:
>> >>
>> >> Send the president into hiding
>> >> Build several emergency hospitals
>> >> Lock down major cities
>> >> Extend the CNY
>> >> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>> >> Daily fumigation of streets
>> >> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>> >> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
>> quarantine
>> >> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
>> >> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
>> >>
>> >> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for
>> anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they
>> all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is
>> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording
>> in cases.
>> >>
>> >> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus”
>> that we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality
>> rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second,
>> the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3
>> (m

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

This virus has beennknown at least since early december. It been known
outside china since early january, well outside the 3 to 4 weeks. Still
under 300 outside china. I literally ignore the china numbers, they have
the worst air quality in recorded history on the planet.
Kung flu is less concerning than west Nile, and i dont worry about that
either

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020, 8:27 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just
> finding infected people now.
>
> Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are.
>
> Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no
> symptoms but is infectious.
>
> Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better before
> becoming terminal.
>
> The entire timeline is about 4 weeks.
>
> > On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >
> > None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong
> Kong. All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal
> so far.
> >
> > 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the US.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> >> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> Let me fix that for you:
> >> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died
> without being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason
> (eg Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
> >>
> >> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
> >>
> >>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in
> the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
> >>>
> >>> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> bp
> >>> 
> >>>
>  On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>  There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
> it's not the flu?
> 
>  2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
> dangerous.
> 
>  In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on
> what's going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere
> in the world.
> 
>  The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7
> days to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is
> a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
> 
>  Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities
> because the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
> 
> > On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust
> the reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
> fatalities outside of mainland China.
> >
> > Just stay away from bat soup.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> >> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
> caused China to:
> >>
> >> Send the president into hiding
> >> Build several emergency hospitals
> >> Lock down major cities
> >> Extend the CNY
> >> In some cases barricade people in their homes
> >> Daily fumigation of streets
> >> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
> >> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
> quarantine
> >> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
> >> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
> >>
> >> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for
> anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they
> all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is
> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording
> in cases.
> >>
> >> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus”
> that we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
> >>
> >>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince  > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality
> rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second,
> the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3
> (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
> >>>
> >>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that
> fatal.
> >>>
> >>> Fear driven journalism.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> bp
> >>> 
> >>>
>  On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> 
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
> the map
> 
>  On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM S

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Bill Prince]

I did. I am standing by that too.

bp


On 2/9/2020 7:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

In the US?  Bill said US.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 9, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

Let me fix that for you:
Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died without 
being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason (eg 
Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).

So the numbers being reported are not accurate.


On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in the US 
from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.

https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/

Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.


bp



On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not the 
flu?

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's going on 
and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to get a 
report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very long lag 
and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?


On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the reports 
from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities outside of mainland 
China.

Just stay away from bat soup.


bp



On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused China to:

Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone dealing 
in international trade. If asked how things are going they all respond with 
extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in Wuhan and things 
are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we don’t 
that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is below 
2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the infectiousness 
is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is 
rated at 15).

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp



On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 the map

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this is the Johns Hopkins map
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
dirtiest on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
their stuff is made in China?

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact
their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV
supplies may be affected.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmu

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Chuck McCown]

In the US?  Bill said US.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Let me fix that for you:
> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died without 
> being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason (eg 
> Pneumonia, or Heart Attack). 
> 
> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.  
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in the 
>> US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
>> 
>> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
>> 
>> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
 On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
>>> It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not 
>>> the flu?
>>> 
>>> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
>>> before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous.
>>> 
>>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
>>> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the 
>>> world.
>>> 
>>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to 
>>> get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very 
>>> long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>>> 
>>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
>>> health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>>> 
 On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
 You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
 reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
 fatalities outside of mainland China.
 
 Just stay away from bat soup.
 
 
 bp
 
 
> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
> China to:
> 
> Send the president into hiding
> Build several emergency hospitals
> Lock down major cities
> Extend the CNY
> In some cases barricade people in their homes
> Daily fumigation of streets
> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
> 
> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained 
> in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.
> 
> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we 
> don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > > wrote:
>> 
>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is 
>> below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the 
>> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
>> (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
>> 
>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
>> 
>> Fear driven journalism.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>  the map
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>this is the Johns Hopkins map
>>>Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
>>>been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
>>>outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
>>>had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
>>>New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
>>>jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
>>>dirtiest on the planet.
>>>I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
>>>lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>>> 
>>>UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
>>>and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now
>>> 
>>>On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
>>>something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
>>>their stuff is made in

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

It literally takes 3-4 weeks for the virus to peak. We are only just finding 
infected people now. 

Give it two more weeks and let’s see where we are. 

Remember there is a 14 day incubation phase where the carrier has no symptoms 
but is infectious. 

Then the person may become ill for a week or so, then feel better before 
becoming terminal. 

The entire timeline is about 4 weeks. 

> On Feb 9, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong Kong. All 
> the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none fatal so far.
> 
> 10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the US.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Let me fix that for you:
>> Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died without 
>> being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason (eg 
>> Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).
>> 
>> So the numbers being reported are not accurate.
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in the 
>>> US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
>>> 
>>> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
>>> 
>>> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started. 
  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's 
 not the flu?
 
 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is 
 happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
 dangerous.
 
 In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
 going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the 
 world.
 
 The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to 
 get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very 
 long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
 
 Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
 health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
 
> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
> fatalities outside of mainland China.
> 
> Just stay away from bat soup.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
>> China to:
>> 
>> Send the president into hiding
>> Build several emergency hospitals
>> Lock down major cities
>> Extend the CNY
>> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>> Daily fumigation of streets
>> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
>> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
>> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
>> 
>> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
>> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
>> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained 
>> in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in 
>> cases.
>> 
>> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we 
>> don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>> 
>>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is 
>>> below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the 
>>> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
>>> (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
>>> 
>>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
>>> 
>>> Fear driven journalism.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  the map
 
 On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones >>> > wrote:
 
 this is the Johns Hopkins map
 Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
 been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
 outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
 had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
 N

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Bill Prince]

None, zero, have been in the US. One in the Philipines. One in Hong 
Kong. All the rest in China. Only a dozen infections in the US; none 
fatal so far.


10,000 died from the flu in the US. 19 million flu infections in the US.


bp


On 2/9/2020 3:25 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Let me fix that for you:
Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died without 
being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason (eg 
Pneumonia, or Heart Attack).

So the numbers being reported are not accurate.


On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in the US 
from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.

https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/

Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.


bp



On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not the 
flu?

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's going on 
and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to get a 
report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very long lag 
and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?


On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the reports 
from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities outside of mainland 
China.

Just stay away from bat soup.


bp



On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused China to:

Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone dealing 
in international trade. If asked how things are going they all respond with 
extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in Wuhan and things 
are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we don’t 
that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is below 
2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the infectiousness 
is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is 
rated at 15).

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp



On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 the map

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 this is the Johns Hopkins map
 Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
 been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
 outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
 had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
 New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
 jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
 dirtiest on the planet.
 I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
 lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

 UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
 and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

 On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

 I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
 something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
 their stuff is made in China?

 I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
 to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
 year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact
 their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
 won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
 that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
 assembly work.  I have al

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Ken Hohhof]

From the standpoint of UBNT stockholders and customers, specifically regarding 
supply chain impact, what matters (at least for now) is probably the actions 
being taken by the Chinese government to contain the virus.  They have extended 
the Chinese New Year, we'll have to see if factories open back up tomorrow.  
They have cordoned off Wuhan and the surrounding province, apparently that is 
not one of the big electronics manufacturing centers though.  Travel to and 
from other parts of Asia may be restricted, not sure the impact of that.

I assume Chinese New Year is built into the manufacturing plans, so some extra 
parts and finished goods may have been stockpiled or shipped in December.

We'll probably have to see how much component and finished electronics 
manufacturing is impacted over the next couple months.  It seems naïve to 
assume there will be no impact.  On the other hand, they have an authoritarian 
government, failure may not be an option.  If they can build a hospital in 10 
days, maybe they can continue to build Ubiquiti radios.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 4:58 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in the US 
from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.

https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/

Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just 
> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S
> maybe it's not the flu?
>
> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is 
> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
> dangerous.
>
> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in 
> the world.
>
> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days 
> to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is 
> a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>
> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because 
> the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>
> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
>> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
>> fatalities outside of mainland China.
>>
>> Just stay away from bat soup.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has 
>>> caused China to:
>>>
>>> Send the president into hiding
>>> Build several emergency hospitals
>>> Lock down major cities
>>> Extend the CNY
>>> In some cases barricade people in their homes Daily fumigation of 
>>> streets Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies People 
>>> being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine 
>>> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information Extreme China 
>>> censorship even to U. S. online forums
>>>
>>> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for 
>>> anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going 
>>> they all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything 
>>> is contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the 
>>> same wording in cases.
>>>
>>> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that 
>>> we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality 
>>>> rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go).
>>>> Second, the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between
>>>> 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
>>>>
>>>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
>>>>
>>>> Fear driven journalism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/b
>>>>> da7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>>> the map

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

Let me fix that for you:
Coronavirus: 800 (that have been reported). Many more who have died without 
being tested. Also China marks cause of death as the final reason (eg 
Pneumonia, or Heart Attack). 

So the numbers being reported are not accurate.  

> On Feb 9, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in the US 
> from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.
> 
> https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/
> 
> Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just started.  
>> It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe it's not 
>> the flu?
>> 
>> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
>> before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous.
>> 
>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's going 
>> on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the world.
>> 
>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to 
>> get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very 
>> long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>> 
>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
>> health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>> 
>>> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
>>> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities 
>>> outside of mainland China.
>>> 
>>> Just stay away from bat soup.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
 China to:
 
 Send the president into hiding
 Build several emergency hospitals
 Lock down major cities
 Extend the CNY
 In some cases barricade people in their homes
 Daily fumigation of streets
 Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
 People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
 Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
 Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
 
 China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
 dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
 respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained 
 in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.
 
 Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we 
 don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
 
> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince  > wrote:
> 
> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is 
> below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the 
> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
> (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
> 
> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
> 
> Fear driven journalism.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>  the map
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones > > wrote:
>> 
>> this is the Johns Hopkins map
>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
>> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
>> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
>> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
>> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
>> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
>> dirtiest on the planet.
>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
>> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>> 
>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
>> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
>> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
>> their stuff is made in China?
>> 
>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
>> to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
>> year.  I know China will try not to 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Bill Prince]

Here is a counterpoint. So far this season, 10,000 people have died in 
the US from the flu. That makes the score flu 10,000, coronavirus 0.


https://www.pressenza.com/2020/02/the-flu-has-killed-1-americans-this-season/

Maybe the appropriate action is (was?) to just get a flu shot.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just 
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S 
maybe it's not the flu?


2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is 
happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
dangerous.


In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in 
the world.


The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days 
to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is 
a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.


Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because 
the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?


On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
fatalities outside of mainland China.


Just stay away from bat soup.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has 
caused China to:


Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into 
quarantine

Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for 
anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going 
they all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything 
is contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the 
same wording in cases.


Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that 
we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality 
rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). 
Second, the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 
1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is rated at 15).


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
the map


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    this is the Johns Hopkins map
    Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
    been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
    outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
    had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
    New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
    jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
    dirtiest on the planet.
    I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
    lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

    UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
    and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

    On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
    something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
    their stuff is made in China?

    I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
    to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
    year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact
    their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
    won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
    that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
    assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV
    supplies may be affected.

    *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Rex-List
    Account
    *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 9:58 AM
    *To:* AF@af.afmug.com 
    *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

    What’s up with the Ubiguiti stock price drop?

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

Another good graphic, not sure on its sources, but a karen approved it
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR34WtZygWKaJJidZ3Y0ZSi22CFS0WDW1HzgIguCuR7uQYgS_Nl8maDMgM4

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 3:40 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Chad is out there, but hes Karens older brother, he is an alpha though.
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 3:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Maybe.  Karens are bossy, entitled white women with an attitude.  Who
>> want to see the manager.  I think there is also Permit Patty and BBQ
>> Becky.  Not sure if there are male equivalents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some meme sites say Karens have a certain haircut reminiscent of Kate+8
>> and are anti-vaxxers and took the kids.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I’d prefer a Janet.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 2:32 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>>
>>
>>
>> Was Kate +8 the prototype for Karen?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 12:41 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>>
>>
>>
>> Now you’ve done it, Karen wants to talk to your manager.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 11:56 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>>
>>
>>
>> It was identified outside china at the beginning of january, thats 3
>> incubation cycles. If it was going to spread, it would have spread heavily.
>> its a freaking STD outside china for the most part, maybe even inside
>> china, who knows what they do there.The cruise ships are anticipated places
>> for it to spread. If it were spreading, the over 250,000 air travelers who
>> have been inside the planes with infected people would have become
>> symptomatic by now.
>>
>> Im genuinely more concerned about falling off a tower,a and i dont even
>> climb hardly ever any more
>>
>> I trust Johns hopkins and WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC and DXY Numbers more than
>> Karen from the internets
>>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 31528 infected, 31213 of those in mainland china. They can lie all they
>> want, its irrelevant, people are "oh china is covering up the numbers" so,
>> they arent the ones doing the counting outside of china. All im worried
>> about are the 315 outside of china, for the most part, that count is
>> believable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Flu kills 150-250 people a day in the US alone during flu season.
>>
>>
>>
>> If the infection rate was anything that actually mattered, we would have
>> more than 315 people outside china infected and more than 2 dead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Koolaid sure is good when drank while wearing the tinfoil hat
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:41 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
>> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S
>> maybe it's not the flu?
>>
>> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
>> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
>> dangerous.
>>
>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
>> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in
>> the world.
>>
>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days
>> to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a
>> very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>>
>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
>> the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>>
>> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
>> > reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
>> > fatalities outside of mainland China.
>> >
>> > Just stay away from bat soup.
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> > On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> >> So let m

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

Chad is out there, but hes Karens older brother, he is an alpha though.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 3:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Maybe.  Karens are bossy, entitled white women with an attitude.  Who want
> to see the manager.  I think there is also Permit Patty and BBQ Becky.  Not
> sure if there are male equivalents.
>
>
>
> Some meme sites say Karens have a certain haircut reminiscent of Kate+8
> and are anti-vaxxers and took the kids.
>
>
>
> I think I’d prefer a Janet.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 2:32 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>
>
>
> Was Kate +8 the prototype for Karen?
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 12:41 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>
>
>
> Now you’ve done it, Karen wants to talk to your manager.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 11:56 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>
>
>
> It was identified outside china at the beginning of january, thats 3
> incubation cycles. If it was going to spread, it would have spread heavily.
> its a freaking STD outside china for the most part, maybe even inside
> china, who knows what they do there.The cruise ships are anticipated places
> for it to spread. If it were spreading, the over 250,000 air travelers who
> have been inside the planes with infected people would have become
> symptomatic by now.
>
> Im genuinely more concerned about falling off a tower,a and i dont even
> climb hardly ever any more
>
> I trust Johns hopkins and WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC and DXY Numbers more than
> Karen from the internets
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> 31528 infected, 31213 of those in mainland china. They can lie all they
> want, its irrelevant, people are "oh china is covering up the numbers" so,
> they arent the ones doing the counting outside of china. All im worried
> about are the 315 outside of china, for the most part, that count is
> believable.
>
>
>
> Flu kills 150-250 people a day in the US alone during flu season.
>
>
>
> If the infection rate was anything that actually mattered, we would have
> more than 315 people outside china infected and more than 2 dead.
>
>
>
> Koolaid sure is good when drank while wearing the tinfoil hat
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:41 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S
> maybe it's not the flu?
>
> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
> dangerous.
>
> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in
> the world.
>
> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days
> to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a
> very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>
> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
> the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>
> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
> > reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
> > fatalities outside of mainland China.
> >
> > Just stay away from bat soup.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused
> >> China to:
> >>
> >> Send the president into hiding
> >> Build several emergency hospitals
> >> Lock down major cities
> >> Extend the CNY
> >> In some cases barricade people in their homes
> >> Daily fumigation of streets
> >> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
> >> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
> >> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
> >> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
> >>
> >> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe.  Karens are bossy, entitled white women with an attitude.  Who want to 
see the manager.  I think there is also Permit Patty and BBQ Becky.  Not sure 
if there are male equivalents.

 

Some meme sites say Karens have a certain haircut reminiscent of Kate+8 and are 
anti-vaxxers and took the kids.

 

I think I’d prefer a Janet.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 2:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

 

Was Kate +8 the prototype for Karen?

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 12:41 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

 

Now you’ve done it, Karen wants to talk to your manager.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 11:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

 

It was identified outside china at the beginning of january, thats 3 incubation 
cycles. If it was going to spread, it would have spread heavily. its a freaking 
STD outside china for the most part, maybe even inside china, who knows what 
they do there.The cruise ships are anticipated places for it to spread. If it 
were spreading, the over 250,000 air travelers who have been inside the planes 
with infected people would have become symptomatic by now.

Im genuinely more concerned about falling off a tower,a and i dont even climb 
hardly ever any more

I trust Johns hopkins and WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC and DXY Numbers more than Karen 
from the internets

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 

 

31528 infected, 31213 of those in mainland china. They can lie all they want, 
its irrelevant, people are "oh china is covering up the numbers" so, they arent 
the ones doing the counting outside of china. All im worried about are the 315 
outside of china, for the most part, that count is believable.

 

Flu kills 150-250 people a day in the US alone during flu season.

 

If the infection rate was anything that actually mattered, we would have more 
than 315 people outside china infected and more than 2 dead.

 

Koolaid sure is good when drank while wearing the tinfoil hat

 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:41 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just 
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S 
maybe it's not the flu?

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is 
happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in 
the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days 
to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a 
very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because 
the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
> fatalities outside of mainland China.
> 
> Just stay away from bat soup.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
>> China to:
>>
>> Send the president into hiding
>> Build several emergency hospitals
>> Lock down major cities
>> Extend the CNY
>> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>> Daily fumigation of streets
>> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
>> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
>> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
>>
>> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
>> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
>> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is 
>> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same 
>> wording in cases.
>>
>> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that 
>> we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com%20%0b> 
>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate 
>>> is below 2% (which is pretty low as f

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

Im so glad things went south for them. The wife made me watch that. now its
pimple popper and 600lbs life. Though i have to confess, i dont watch the
90 day fiance all that unwillingly where the other participants watch it
and make fun of them.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:32 PM  wrote:

> Was Kate +8 the prototype for Karen?
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 12:41 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>
>
> Now you’ve done it, Karen wants to talk to your manager.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 11:56 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>
>
>
> It was identified outside china at the beginning of january, thats 3
> incubation cycles. If it was going to spread, it would have spread heavily.
> its a freaking STD outside china for the most part, maybe even inside
> china, who knows what they do there.The cruise ships are anticipated places
> for it to spread. If it were spreading, the over 250,000 air travelers who
> have been inside the planes with infected people would have become
> symptomatic by now.
>
> Im genuinely more concerned about falling off a tower,a and i dont even
> climb hardly ever any more
>
> I trust Johns hopkins and WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC and DXY Numbers more than
> Karen from the internets
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>
>
>
>
> 31528 infected, 31213 of those in mainland china. They can lie all they
> want, its irrelevant, people are "oh china is covering up the numbers" so,
> they arent the ones doing the counting outside of china. All im worried
> about are the 315 outside of china, for the most part, that count is
> believable.
>
>
>
> Flu kills 150-250 people a day in the US alone during flu season.
>
>
>
> If the infection rate was anything that actually mattered, we would have
> more than 315 people outside china infected and more than 2 dead.
>
>
>
> Koolaid sure is good when drank while wearing the tinfoil hat
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:41 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S
> maybe it's not the flu?
>
> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
> dangerous.
>
> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in
> the world.
>
> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days
> to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a
> very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>
> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
> the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>
> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
> > reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
> > fatalities outside of mainland China.
> >
> > Just stay away from bat soup.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused
> >> China to:
> >>
> >> Send the president into hiding
> >> Build several emergency hospitals
> >> Lock down major cities
> >> Extend the CNY
> >> In some cases barricade people in their homes
> >> Daily fumigation of streets
> >> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
> >> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
> >> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
> >> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
> >>
> >> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone
> >> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all
> >> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is
> >> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same
> >> wording in cases.
> >>
> >> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that
> >> we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
> >>
> >> On F

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[chuck]

Was Kate +8 the prototype for Karen?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 12:41 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

Now you’ve done it, Karen wants to talk to your manager.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 11:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

 

It was identified outside china at the beginning of january, thats 3 incubation 
cycles. If it was going to spread, it would have spread heavily. its a freaking 
STD outside china for the most part, maybe even inside china, who knows what 
they do there.The cruise ships are anticipated places for it to spread. If it 
were spreading, the over 250,000 air travelers who have been inside the planes 
with infected people would have become symptomatic by now.

Im genuinely more concerned about falling off a tower,a and i dont even climb 
hardly ever any more

I trust Johns hopkins and WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC and DXY Numbers more than Karen 
from the internets

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 

 

31528 infected, 31213 of those in mainland china. They can lie all they want, 
its irrelevant, people are "oh china is covering up the numbers" so, they arent 
the ones doing the counting outside of china. All im worried about are the 315 
outside of china, for the most part, that count is believable.

 

Flu kills 150-250 people a day in the US alone during flu season.

 

If the infection rate was anything that actually mattered, we would have more 
than 315 people outside china infected and more than 2 dead.

 

Koolaid sure is good when drank while wearing the tinfoil hat

 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:41 AM Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

  There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just 
  started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S 
  maybe it's not the flu?

  2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is 
  happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
  dangerous.

  In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
  going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in 
  the world.

  The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days 
  to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a 
  very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.

  Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because 
  the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?

  On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
  > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
  > reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
  > fatalities outside of mainland China.
  > 
  > Just stay away from bat soup.
  > 
  > 
  > bp
  > 
  > 
  > On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  >> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
  >> China to:
  >>
  >> Send the president into hiding
  >> Build several emergency hospitals
  >> Lock down major cities
  >> Extend the CNY
  >> In some cases barricade people in their homes
  >> Daily fumigation of streets
  >> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
  >> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
  >> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
  >> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
  >>
  >> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
  >> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
  >> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is 
  >> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same 
  >> wording in cases.
  >>
  >> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that 
  >> we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
  >>
  >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
  >>
  >>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate 
  >>> is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, 
  >>> the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
  >>> (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
  >>>
  >>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
  >>>
  >>> Fear driven journalism.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> bp
  >>> 
  >>>
  >>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  >>>> 
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboa

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[chuck]

That is ungood.  Please keep us posted.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 12:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

Well, about that airplane travelers...  It's only _one_ data point but
it's the _one_ that I know PERSONALLY.   My canary..   Friend is a
commercial pilot.   He was told by our other friend, DON'T take that bid
to Hong Kong by both of us.   He took it.   We said see you in two
weeks, he said he was hopping in his cub to do some remote camping at
little airports for two weeks.   Found out yesterday he has a fever.  No
it hasn't been checked yet, yes it will take a week but my canary isn't
feeling so good.



On 02/07/2020 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
It was identified outside china at the beginning of january, thats 3 
incubation cycles. If it was going to spread, it would have spread 
heavily. its a freaking STD outside china for the most part, maybe even 
inside china, who knows what they do there.The cruise ships are 
anticipated places for it to spread. If it were spreading, the over 
250,000 air travelers who have been inside the planes with infected people 
would have become symptomatic by now.
Im genuinely more concerned about falling off a tower,a and i dont even 
climb hardly ever any more
I trust Johns hopkins and WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC and DXY Numbers more than 
Karen from the internets

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

  31528 infected, 31213 of those in mainland china. They can lie all they 
want, its irrelevant, people are "oh china is covering up the numbers" so, 
they arent the ones doing the counting outside of china. All im worried 
about are the 315 outside of china, for the most part, that count is 
believable.


Flu kills 150-250 people a day in the US alone during flu season.

If the infection rate was anything that actually mattered, we would have 
more than 315 people outside china infected and more than 2 dead.


Koolaid sure is good when drank while wearing the tinfoil hat

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:41 AM Matt Hoppes 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:


There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S
maybe it's not the flu?

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in
the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days
to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is 
a

very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
 > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust
the
 > reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
 > fatalities outside of mainland China.
 >
 > Just stay away from bat soup.
 >
 >
 > bp
 > 
 >
 > On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 >> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
caused
 >> China to:
 >>
 >> Send the president into hiding
 >> Build several emergency hospitals
 >> Lock down major cities
 >> Extend the CNY
 >> In some cases barricade people in their homes
 >> Daily fumigation of streets
 >> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
 >> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
quarantine
 >> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
 >> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
 >>
 >> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for
anyone
 >> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going
they all
 >> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is
 >> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same
 >> wording in cases.
 >>
 >> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus”
that
 >> we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
 >>
 >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
 >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
 >>
 >>> This thing is being

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Ken Hohhof]

Now you’ve done it, Karen wants to talk to your manager.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 11:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

 

It was identified outside china at the beginning of january, thats 3 incubation 
cycles. If it was going to spread, it would have spread heavily. its a freaking 
STD outside china for the most part, maybe even inside china, who knows what 
they do there.The cruise ships are anticipated places for it to spread. If it 
were spreading, the over 250,000 air travelers who have been inside the planes 
with infected people would have become symptomatic by now.

Im genuinely more concerned about falling off a tower,a and i dont even climb 
hardly ever any more

I trust Johns hopkins and WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC and DXY Numbers more than Karen 
from the internets

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
 

 

 31528 infected, 31213 of those in mainland china. They can lie all they want, 
its irrelevant, people are "oh china is covering up the numbers" so, they arent 
the ones doing the counting outside of china. All im worried about are the 315 
outside of china, for the most part, that count is believable.

 

Flu kills 150-250 people a day in the US alone during flu season.

 

If the infection rate was anything that actually mattered, we would have more 
than 315 people outside china infected and more than 2 dead.

 

Koolaid sure is good when drank while wearing the tinfoil hat

 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:41 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just 
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S 
maybe it's not the flu?

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is 
happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in 
the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days 
to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a 
very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because 
the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
> fatalities outside of mainland China.
> 
> Just stay away from bat soup.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
>> China to:
>>
>> Send the president into hiding
>> Build several emergency hospitals
>> Lock down major cities
>> Extend the CNY
>> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>> Daily fumigation of streets
>> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
>> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
>> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
>>
>> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
>> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
>> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is 
>> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same 
>> wording in cases.
>>
>> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that 
>> we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>  
>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>>
>>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate 
>>> is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, 
>>> the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
>>> (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
>>>
>>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
>>>
>>> Fear driven journalism.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>>  
>>>> the map
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Robert Andrews]

Well, about that airplane travelers...  It's only _one_ data point but 
it's the _one_ that I know PERSONALLY.   My canary..   Friend is a 
commercial pilot.   He was told by our other friend, DON'T take that bid 
to Hong Kong by both of us.   He took it.   We said see you in two 
weeks, he said he was hopping in his cub to do some remote camping at 
little airports for two weeks.   Found out yesterday he has a fever.  No 
it hasn't been checked yet, yes it will take a week but my canary isn't 
feeling so good.




On 02/07/2020 09:56 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
It was identified outside china at the beginning of january, thats 3 
incubation cycles. If it was going to spread, it would have spread 
heavily. its a freaking STD outside china for the most part, maybe even 
inside china, who knows what they do there.The cruise ships are 
anticipated places for it to spread. If it were spreading, the over 
250,000 air travelers who have been inside the planes with infected 
people would have become symptomatic by now.
Im genuinely more concerned about falling off a tower,a and i dont even 
climb hardly ever any more
I trust Johns hopkins and WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC and DXY Numbers more than 
Karen from the internets
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 



  31528 infected, 31213 of those in mainland china. They can lie all 
they want, its irrelevant, people are "oh china is covering up the 
numbers" so, they arent the ones doing the counting outside of china. 
All im worried about are the 315 outside of china, for the most part, 
that count is believable.


Flu kills 150-250 people a day in the US alone during flu season.

If the infection rate was anything that actually mattered, we would have 
more than 315 people outside china infected and more than 2 dead.


Koolaid sure is good when drank while wearing the tinfoil hat

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:41 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S
maybe it's not the flu?

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in
the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days
to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a
very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
 > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust
the
 > reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
 > fatalities outside of mainland China.
 >
 > Just stay away from bat soup.
 >
 >
 > bp
 > 
 >
 > On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 >> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
caused
 >> China to:
 >>
 >> Send the president into hiding
 >> Build several emergency hospitals
 >> Lock down major cities
 >> Extend the CNY
 >> In some cases barricade people in their homes
 >> Daily fumigation of streets
 >> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
 >> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
quarantine
 >> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
 >> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
 >>
 >> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for
anyone
 >> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going
they all
 >> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is
 >> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same
 >> wording in cases.
 >>
 >> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus”
that
 >> we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
 >>
 >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
 >> >> wrote:
 >>
 >>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality
rate
 >>> is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go).
Second,
 >>> the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5
and 3
 >>> (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
 >>>
 >>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that
fatal.
 >>>
 >>> Fear driven journalism.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> bp
 >>> 
 >>>
 >>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jo

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Adam Moffett]

Well the context of our pontificating is whether our supply chain will 
be affected.  It's a fair question.  We may not be equipped to answer 
that perfectly, but we'll have to do our best all the same.


-Adam


On 2/7/2020 1:02 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
Animal Farm - the home of Infectious Disease Experts that just happen 
to work in the WISP industry, throwing their 12+ years of higher 
education away to bring us the Internet LOL.


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 12:56 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


The incubation period is most certainly not 14 weeks. It is
probably more on the order of 5-10 days. That is why they are
isolating potential victims for 14 days; well beyond the suspected
incubation period. The CDC does NOT believe you need to wear a
face mask (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html).


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the
U.S maybe it's not the flu?

2019-nCoV has a*14 week incubation period*... meaning spreading
is happening before people even know it -- thus making this
particularly dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on
what's going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and
elsewhere in the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7
days to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so
there is a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities
because the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably
trust the reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there
have been 2 fatalities outside of mainland China.

Just stay away from bat soup.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
caused China to:

Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for
anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are
going they all respond with extremely similar answers about how
everything is contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally
down to the same wording in cases.

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus”
that we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?

On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the
fatality rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these
things go). Second, the infectiousness is fairly low as well;
somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is rated at
15).

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all
that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
the map

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>

> wrote:

    this is the Johns Hopkins map
    Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic
have
    been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt
spread
    outside china beyond the two people who had sex with
people who
    had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise
ship in
    New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
    jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is
the
    dirtiest on the planet.
    I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago,
i will
    lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

    UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE
Player
    and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

    On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
 > wrote:

    I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
    something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact
  

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

Probably never a good idea, in any situation.

On 2/7/20 1:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Should I stop licking door knobs?

-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 11:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Bill Prince
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

That's not exactly what they said...

They said, a mask is not currently recommended because it's not
spreading. that's very different from you don't need to wear a mask.

"CDC does not currently recommend the use of facemasks among the general
public. While limited person-to-person spread among close contacts has
been detected, this virus is not currently spreading in the community in
the United States. "

How do we know the virus is not currently spreading?  It has a, as you
said, up to 10 day incubation period... and that assumes the condition
is either made aware so we test it, or bad enough they check into a
hospital.

Someone who is asymptomatic or who is not bad enough to check into the
hospital will go on spreading it happily to others.

On 2/7/20 12:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The incubation period is most certainly not 14 weeks. It is probably 
more on the order of 5-10 days. That is why they are isolating 
potential victims for 14 days; well beyond the suspected incubation 
period. The CDC does NOT believe you need to wear a face mask 
(https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html).



bp


On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just 
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S 
maybe it's not the flu?


2019-nCoV has a*14 week incubation period*... meaning spreading is 
happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
dangerous.


In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on 
what's going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and 
elsewhere in the world.


The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 
days to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so 
there is a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.


Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities 
because the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?


On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust 
the reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
fatalities outside of mainland China.


Just stay away from bat soup.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has 
caused China to:


Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into 
quarantine

Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for 
anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are 
going they all respond with extremely similar answers about how 
everything is contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally 
down to the same wording in cases.


Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” 
that we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality 
rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). 
Second, the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere 
between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is rated at 15).


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that 
fatal.


Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
the map


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


    this is the Johns Hopkins map
    Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
    been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
    outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
    had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
    New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
    jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
    dirtiest on the planet.
    I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
    lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

    UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
    and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

    On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM K

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

I think i just caught kungflu from that

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 12:08 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> That's not exactly what they said...
>
> They said, a mask is not currently recommended because it's not
> spreading. that's very different from you don't need to wear a mask.
>
> "CDC does not currently recommend the use of facemasks among the general
> public. While limited person-to-person spread among close contacts has
> been detected, this virus is not currently spreading in the community in
> the United States. "
>
> How do we know the virus is not currently spreading?  It has a, as you
> said, up to 10 day incubation period... and that assumes the condition
> is either made aware so we test it, or bad enough they check into a
> hospital.
>
> Someone who is asymptomatic or who is not bad enough to check into the
> hospital will go on spreading it happily to others.
>
> On 2/7/20 12:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > The incubation period is most certainly not 14 weeks. It is probably
> > more on the order of 5-10 days. That is why they are isolating potential
> > victims for 14 days; well beyond the suspected incubation period. The
> > CDC does NOT believe you need to wear a face mask
> > (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html).
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
> >> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S
> >> maybe it's not the flu?
> >>
> >> 2019-nCoV has a*14 week incubation period*... meaning spreading is
> >> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
> >> dangerous.
> >>
> >> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
> >> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in
> >> the world.
> >>
> >> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days
> >> to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is
> >> a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
> >>
> >> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
> >> the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
> >>
> >> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
> >>> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
> >>> fatalities outside of mainland China.
> >>>
> >>> Just stay away from bat soup.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> bp
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>  So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has
>  caused China to:
> 
>  Send the president into hiding
>  Build several emergency hospitals
>  Lock down major cities
>  Extend the CNY
>  In some cases barricade people in their homes
>  Daily fumigation of streets
>  Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>  People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
>  quarantine
>  Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
>  Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
> 
>  China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for
>  anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going
>  they all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything
>  is contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the
>  same wording in cases.
> 
>  Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that
>  we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
> 
>  On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince   > wrote:
> 
> > This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality
> > rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go).
> > Second, the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between
> > 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
> >
> > So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that
> fatal.
> >
> > Fear driven journalism.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
> >> the map
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones
> >> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> this is the Johns Hopkins map
> >> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
> >> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
> >> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
> >> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
> >> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
> >> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. ch

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[chuck]

Should I stop licking door knobs?

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes

Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 11:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Bill Prince
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

That's not exactly what they said...

They said, a mask is not currently recommended because it's not
spreading. that's very different from you don't need to wear a mask.

"CDC does not currently recommend the use of facemasks among the general
public. While limited person-to-person spread among close contacts has
been detected, this virus is not currently spreading in the community in
the United States. "

How do we know the virus is not currently spreading?  It has a, as you
said, up to 10 day incubation period... and that assumes the condition
is either made aware so we test it, or bad enough they check into a
hospital.

Someone who is asymptomatic or who is not bad enough to check into the
hospital will go on spreading it happily to others.

On 2/7/20 12:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The incubation period is most certainly not 14 weeks. It is probably more 
on the order of 5-10 days. That is why they are isolating potential 
victims for 14 days; well beyond the suspected incubation period. The CDC 
does NOT believe you need to wear a face mask 
(https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html).



bp


On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just 
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S 
maybe it's not the flu?


2019-nCoV has a*14 week incubation period*... meaning spreading is 
happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
dangerous.


In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the 
world.


The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to 
get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very 
long lag and we are currently sitting in it.


Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because 
the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?


On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
fatalities outside of mainland China.


Just stay away from bat soup.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
China to:


Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into 
quarantine

Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is 
contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same 
wording in cases.


Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we 
don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate 
is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, 
the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
(measles by comparison is rated at 15).


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
the map


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


this is the Johns Hopkins map
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
dirtiest on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

That's not exactly what they said...

They said, a mask is not currently recommended because it's not 
spreading. that's very different from you don't need to wear a mask.


"CDC does not currently recommend the use of facemasks among the general 
public. While limited person-to-person spread among close contacts has 
been detected, this virus is not currently spreading in the community in 
the United States. "


How do we know the virus is not currently spreading?  It has a, as you 
said, up to 10 day incubation period... and that assumes the condition 
is either made aware so we test it, or bad enough they check into a 
hospital.


Someone who is asymptomatic or who is not bad enough to check into the 
hospital will go on spreading it happily to others.


On 2/7/20 12:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The incubation period is most certainly not 14 weeks. It is probably 
more on the order of 5-10 days. That is why they are isolating potential 
victims for 14 days; well beyond the suspected incubation period. The 
CDC does NOT believe you need to wear a face mask 
(https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html).



bp


On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just 
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S 
maybe it's not the flu?


2019-nCoV has a*14 week incubation period*... meaning spreading is 
happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
dangerous.


In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in 
the world.


The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days 
to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is 
a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.


Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because 
the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?


On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
fatalities outside of mainland China.


Just stay away from bat soup.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has 
caused China to:


Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into 
quarantine

Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for 
anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going 
they all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything 
is contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the 
same wording in cases.


Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that 
we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality 
rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). 
Second, the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 
1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is rated at 15).


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
the map


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    this is the Johns Hopkins map
    Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
    been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
    outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
    had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
    New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
    jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
    dirtiest on the planet.
    I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
    lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

    UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
    and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

    On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
    something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
    their stuff is made in China?

    I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
    to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
    year.  I know China will try n

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

we spend a majority of our time doing maths and calculating odds and risk
while filtering marketing (government) fluff from real world application.
Its just a numbers game, no matter how you look at it

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 12:03 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

> Animal Farm - the home of Infectious Disease Experts that just happen to
> work in the WISP industry, throwing their 12+ years of higher education
> away to bring us the Internet LOL.
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 12:56 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> The incubation period is most certainly not 14 weeks. It is probably more
>> on the order of 5-10 days. That is why they are isolating potential victims
>> for 14 days; well beyond the suspected incubation period. The CDC does NOT
>> believe you need to wear a face mask (
>> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html).
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
>> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
>> it's not the flu?
>>
>> 2019-nCoV has a* 14 week incubation period*... meaning spreading is
>> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
>> dangerous.
>>
>> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
>> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the
>> world.
>>
>> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to
>> get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very
>> long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>>
>> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
>> the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>>
>> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
>> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities
>> outside of mainland China.
>>
>> Just stay away from bat soup.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused
>> China to:
>>
>> Send the president into hiding
>> Build several emergency hospitals
>> Lock down major cities
>> Extend the CNY
>> In some cases barricade people in their homes
>> Daily fumigation of streets
>> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
>> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
>> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
>> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
>>
>> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone
>> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all
>> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in
>> Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.
>>
>> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we
>> don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince >  > wrote:
>>
>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is
>> below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the
>> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles
>> by comparison is rated at 15).
>>
>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
>>
>> Fear driven journalism.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>> the map
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones >  > wrote:
>>
>> this is the Johns Hopkins map
>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
>> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
>> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
>> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
>> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
>> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
>> dirtiest on the planet.
>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
>> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>>
>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
>> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof >  > wrote:
>>
>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
>> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
>> their stuff is made in China?
>>
>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
>> to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
>> year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impac

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

That should have said 14 DAYS... my mistake clearly I need more coffee.

On 2/7/20 12:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The incubation period is most certainly not 14 weeks. It is probably 
more on the order of 5-10 days. That is why they are isolating potential 
victims for 14 days; well beyond the suspected incubation period. The 
CDC does NOT believe you need to wear a face mask 
(https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html).



bp


On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just 
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S 
maybe it's not the flu?


2019-nCoV has a*14 week incubation period*... meaning spreading is 
happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
dangerous.


In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in 
the world.


The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days 
to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is 
a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.


Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because 
the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?


On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
fatalities outside of mainland China.


Just stay away from bat soup.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has 
caused China to:


Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into 
quarantine

Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for 
anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going 
they all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything 
is contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the 
same wording in cases.


Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that 
we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality 
rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). 
Second, the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 
1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is rated at 15).


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
the map


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    this is the Johns Hopkins map
    Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
    been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
    outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
    had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
    New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
    jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
    dirtiest on the planet.
    I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
    lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

    UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
    and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

    On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
    something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
    their stuff is made in China?

    I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
    to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
    year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact
    their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
    won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
    that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
    assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV
    supplies may be affected.

    *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Rex-List
    Account
    *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 9:58 AM
    *To:* AF@af.afmug.com 
    *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

    What’s up with the Ubiguiti stock price drop?

    --     AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Tim Hardy]

Animal Farm - the home of Infectious Disease Experts that just happen to
work in the WISP industry, throwing their 12+ years of higher education
away to bring us the Internet LOL.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 12:56 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The incubation period is most certainly not 14 weeks. It is probably more
> on the order of 5-10 days. That is why they are isolating potential victims
> for 14 days; well beyond the suspected incubation period. The CDC does NOT
> believe you need to wear a face mask (
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html).
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S maybe
> it's not the flu?
>
> 2019-nCoV has a* 14 week incubation period*... meaning spreading is
> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
> dangerous.
>
> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the
> world.
>
> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to
> get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very
> long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>
> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the
> health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>
> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 fatalities
> outside of mainland China.
>
> Just stay away from bat soup.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused
> China to:
>
> Send the president into hiding
> Build several emergency hospitals
> Lock down major cities
> Extend the CNY
> In some cases barricade people in their homes
> Daily fumigation of streets
> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
>
> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone
> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all
> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in
> Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.
>
> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we
> don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>
> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince   > wrote:
>
> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is
> below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the
> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles
> by comparison is rated at 15).
>
> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
>
> Fear driven journalism.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
> the map
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones   > wrote:
>
> this is the Johns Hopkins map
> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
> dirtiest on the planet.
> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>
> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof   > wrote:
>
> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
> their stuff is made in China?
>
> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
> to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
> year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact
> their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
> won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
> that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
> assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV
> supplies may be affected.
>
> *From:* AF   

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Ken Hohhof]

Apple News+ ?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

Whelp, if I really want to know what is going on, I read the news...

-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 10:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Bill Prince
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S
maybe it's not the flu?

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is happening 
before people even know it -- thus making this particularly dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's going on 
and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days to get a 
report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a very long lag 
and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because the 
health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
> reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
> fatalities outside of mainland China.
>
> Just stay away from bat soup.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has 
>> caused China to:
>>
>> Send the president into hiding
>> Build several emergency hospitals
>> Lock down major cities
>> Extend the CNY
>> In some cases barricade people in their homes Daily fumigation of 
>> streets Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies People 
>> being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine 
>> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information Extreme China 
>> censorship even to U. S. online forums
>>
>> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
>> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they 
>> all respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is 
>> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same 
>> wording in cases.
>>
>> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that 
>> we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate 
>>> is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, 
>>> the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 
>>> 3 (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
>>>
>>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
>>>
>>> Fear driven journalism.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bd
>>>> a7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>>> the map
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
>>>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> this is the Johns Hopkins map
>>>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
>>>> been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
>>>> outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
>>>> had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
>>>> New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
>>>> jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
>>>> dirtiest on the planet.
>>>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
>>>> lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>>>>
>>>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
>>>> and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof >>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
>>>> something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Steve Jones]

It was identified outside china at the beginning of january, thats 3
incubation cycles. If it was going to spread, it would have spread heavily.
its a freaking STD outside china for the most part, maybe even inside
china, who knows what they do there.The cruise ships are anticipated places
for it to spread. If it were spreading, the over 250,000 air travelers who
have been inside the planes with infected people would have become
symptomatic by now.
Im genuinely more concerned about falling off a tower,a and i dont even
climb hardly ever any more
I trust Johns hopkins and WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC and DXY Numbers more than
Karen from the internets
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


 31528 infected, 31213 of those in mainland china. They can lie all they
want, its irrelevant, people are "oh china is covering up the numbers" so,
they arent the ones doing the counting outside of china. All im worried
about are the 315 outside of china, for the most part, that count is
believable.

Flu kills 150-250 people a day in the US alone during flu season.

If the infection rate was anything that actually mattered, we would have
more than 315 people outside china infected and more than 2 dead.

Koolaid sure is good when drank while wearing the tinfoil hat

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:41 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
> started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S
> maybe it's not the flu?
>
> 2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
> happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
> dangerous.
>
> In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
> going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in
> the world.
>
> The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days
> to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a
> very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
>
> Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
> the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
>
> On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the
> > reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2
> > fatalities outside of mainland China.
> >
> > Just stay away from bat soup.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused
> >> China to:
> >>
> >> Send the president into hiding
> >> Build several emergency hospitals
> >> Lock down major cities
> >> Extend the CNY
> >> In some cases barricade people in their homes
> >> Daily fumigation of streets
> >> Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
> >> People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
> >> Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
> >> Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
> >>
> >> China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone
> >> dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all
> >> respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is
> >> contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same
> >> wording in cases.
> >>
> >> Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that
> >> we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?
> >>
> >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate
> >>> is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second,
> >>> the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3
> >>> (measles by comparison is rated at 15).
> >>>
> >>> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.
> >>>
> >>> Fear driven journalism.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> bp
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> 
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>  the map
> 
>  On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones
>  mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  this is the Johns Hopkins map
>  Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
>  been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
>  outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
>  had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
>  New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
>  jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
>  dirtiest on the planet.
>  I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
>  lick it when it ge

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The incubation period is most certainly not 14 weeks. It is
  probably more on the order of 5-10 days. That is why they are
  isolating potential victims for 14 days; well beyond the suspected
  incubation period. The CDC does NOT believe you need to wear a
  face mask (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html).


bp



On 2/7/2020 9:40 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

There
  have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
  started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the
  U.S maybe it's not the flu?
  
  
  2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning
  spreading is happening before people even know it -- thus making
  this particularly dangerous.
  
  
  In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on
  what's going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and
  elsewhere in the world.
  
  
  The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7
  days to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so
  there is a very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.
  
  
  Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities
  because the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?
  
  
  On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
  
  You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but
you can probably trust the reports from everywhere else. The
fact is that there have been 2 fatalities outside of mainland
China.


Just stay away from bat soup.



bp




On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

So let me get this straight. A virus
  that is not a big deal has caused China to:
  
  
  Send the president into hiding
  
  Build several emergency hospitals
  
  Lock down major cities
  
  Extend the CNY
  
  In some cases barricade people in their homes
  
  Daily fumigation of streets
  
  Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
  
  People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into
  quarantine
  
  Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
  
  Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums
  
  
  China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for
  anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how things are
  going they all respond with extremely similar answers about
  how everything is contained in Wuhan and things are fine.
  Literally down to the same wording in cases.
  
  
  Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal
  Virus” that we don’t that they are willing to risk their
  economy?
  
  
  On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince
  
  wrote:
  
  
  This thing is being overblown in a big
way. First, the fatality rate is below 2% (which is pretty
low as far as these things go). Second, the infectiousness
is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles
by comparison is rated at 15).


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all
that fatal.


Fear driven journalism.



bp




On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  the map
  
  
  On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones
   wrote:
  
  
      this is the Johns Hopkins map
  
      Pretty much all the prediction models of global
  pandemic have
  
      been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt
  spread
  
      outside china beyond the two people who had sex with
  people who
  
      had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise
  ship in
  
      New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a
  small
  
      jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air
  is the
  
      dirtiest on the planet.
  
      I have a

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[chuck]

Whelp, if I really want to know what is going on, I read the news...

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes

Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 10:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Bill Prince
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S
maybe it's not the flu?

2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is
happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly
dangerous.

In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's
going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in
the world.

The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days
to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a
very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.

Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because
the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?

On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
fatalities outside of mainland China.


Just stay away from bat soup.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
China to:


Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained 
in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in 
cases.


Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we 
don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is 
below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the 
infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
(measles by comparison is rated at 15).


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
the map


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


this is the Johns Hopkins map
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
dirtiest on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
their stuff is made in China?

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact
their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV
supplies may be affected.

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Account
*Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 9:58 AM
*To:* AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

What’s up with the Ubiguiti stock price drop?

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

There have been two fatalities THAT WE KNOW OF.   We've only just 
started.  It's been an extremely rough flu season here in the U.S 
maybe it's not the flu?


2019-nCoV has a 14 week incubation period... meaning spreading is 
happening before people even know it -- thus making this particularly 
dangerous.


In about the next two weeks we'll have a much better picture on what's 
going on and what's going to  be going on, but on CN and elsewhere in 
the world.


The problem right now is it takes 14 days to incubate and about 7 days 
to get a report back on a positive/negative test culture, so there is a 
very long lag and we are currently sitting in it.


Now I ask you: is the reason there have only been 2 fatalities because 
the health care systems are not yet overwhelmed elsewhere?


On 2/7/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust the 
reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been 2 
fatalities outside of mainland China.


Just stay away from bat soup.


bp


On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
China to:


Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is 
contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same 
wording in cases.


Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that 
we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate 
is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, 
the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
(measles by comparison is rated at 15).


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
the map


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


this is the Johns Hopkins map
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
dirtiest on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
their stuff is made in China?

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact
their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV
supplies may be affected.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

Buy massive stock of your CN made radios now.
Purchase a few N95 and N100 face masks, and perhaps one or two Tyvek 
suites... it's cheap, and you'll keep your business running.


If nothing happens, hey, you'll be set for your next attic or trailer 
install.  If something does happen, well... you'll be sitting pretty.


This is the Pascal's Wager of influenza.

On 2/7/20 12:30 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
& they just canceled a major LPG purchase under "Force Majeur"..  i.e. 
the god clause...   No things are not going well over there.  And if you 
watch the video, the prediction is that it's around a month for things 
go peak over there and two months for things to get "interesting" in the 
rest of the world.   A few precautions wouldn't hurt...


On 02/07/2020 09:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
China to:


Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is 
contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same 
wording in cases.


Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that 
we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate 
is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, 
the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
(measles by comparison is rated at 15).


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
the map


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    this is the Johns Hopkins map
    Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
    been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
    outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
    had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
    New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
    jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
    dirtiest on the planet.
    I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
    lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

    UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
    and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

    On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
    something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
    their stuff is made in China?

    I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
    to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
    year. I know China will try not to let the virus impact their
    manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
    won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
    that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
    assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV
    supplies may be affected.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Bill Prince]

  
  
You don't have to "trust" the Chinese, but you can probably trust
  the reports from everywhere else. The fact is that there have been
  2 fatalities outside of mainland China. 

Just stay away from bat soup.


bp



On 2/7/2020 9:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:


  
  So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a
big deal has caused China to:
  
  
  Send the president into hiding
  Build several emergency hospitals
  Lock down major cities 
  Extend the CNY
  In some cases barricade people in their homes
  Daily fumigation of streets
  Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
  People being forcibly removed from their homes and
taken into quarantine 
  Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing
information
  Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online
forums
  
  
  China has also sent out a blank response to their
citizens for anyone dealing in international trade. If asked how
things are going they all respond with extremely similar answers
about how everything is contained in Wuhan and things are fine.
Literally down to the same wording in cases. 
  
  
  Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big
deal Virus” that we don’t that they are willing to risk their
economy?
  
On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince 
wrote:

  
  

  
  This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the
fatality rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as
these things go). Second, the infectiousness is fairly low
as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison
is rated at 15). 
  
  So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all
that fatal. 
  
  Fear driven journalism.
  
  
  bp



  On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones
wrote:
  
  

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
  the map 



  On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at
10:19 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:
  
  
this is the Johns Hopkins map
  Pretty much all the prediction models of global
pandemic have been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing
deaths. It hasnt spread outside china beyond the two
people who had sex with people who had been infected
in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in New
Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a
small jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness.
chinese air is the dirtiest on the planet.
  I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few
weeks ago, i will lick it when it gets here and then
come breath on people.
  
  
  UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a
CBRS LTE Player and theyre kind of stagnant in
general right now



  On Fri, Feb 7, 2020
at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:
  
  

  
I don’t follow UBNT but I
  would have to guess it has something to do
  with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
  their stuff is made in China?
 
I have been tempted to post
  asking if any WISPs are starting to stockpile
  equipment that might be in short supply this
  year.  I know China will try not to let the
  virus impact their manufacturing and exports,
  but it’s hard to see how it won’t.  It could
  also spread to other countries in the area
  that do a lot of electronic component
  manufacturing and assembly work.  I have
  already seen some predictions that TV supplies
  may be affected.
 
 

  
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Robert Andrews]

& they just canceled a major LPG purchase under "Force Majeur"..  i.e. 
the god clause...   No things are not going well over there.  And if you 
watch the video, the prediction is that it's around a month for things 
go peak over there and two months for things to get "interesting" in the 
rest of the world.   A few precautions wouldn't hurt...


On 02/07/2020 09:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
China to:


Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is contained 
in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases.


Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we 
don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate 
is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, 
the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
(measles by comparison is rated at 15).


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
the map


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


this is the Johns Hopkins map
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
dirtiest on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
their stuff is made in China?

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
year. I know China will try not to let the virus impact their
manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV
supplies may be affected.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Adam Moffett]

I'm sure you remember SARS and all the hand-wringing and freaking out 
that happened.  Turned out to be not such a big deal.


One problem/feature with the Internet is that it puts us closer to the 
"raw intelligence" without any filter applied to what's fact vs 
inference vs rumor vs fiction written by trolls.


You can take whatever response you want.  My response is none whatsoever 
for at least a few weeks so we can see where the chips really fall.


-Adam


On 2/7/2020 12:00 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused 
China to:


Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone 
dealing in international trade. If asked how things are going they all 
respond with extremely similar answers about how everything is 
contained in Wuhan and things are fine. Literally down to the same 
wording in cases.


Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that 
we don’t that they are willing to risk their economy?


On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate 
is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, 
the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 
(measles by comparison is rated at 15).


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal.

Fear driven journalism.


bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
the map


On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


this is the Johns Hopkins map
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have
been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread
outside china beyond the two people who had sex with people who
had been infected in china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in
New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will have a small
jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
dirtiest on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will
lick it when it gets here and then come breath on people.

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player
and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has
something to do with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all
their stuff is made in China?

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting
to stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this
year.  I know China will try not to let the virus impact
their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see how it
won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and
assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions that TV
supplies may be affected.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

This was originally though to be true but has been disproven. It’s actually 
going after poor lungs from smokers/smog - which affects most Chinese. 

> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:36 AM,   wrote:
> 
> And it is far more infectious to Asians than Waspy people.  By a factor of 
> 2:1 due to differences in receptors amongst different races.  
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 9:29 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>  
> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is below 
> 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the 
> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by 
> comparison is rated at 15). 
> 
> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal. 
> 
> Fear driven journalism.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>   the map 
>>  
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>> this is the Johns Hopkins map
>>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have been wrong. 
>>> Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread outside china beyond the 
>>> two people who had sex with people who had been infected in china. theyre 
>>> offloading a cruise ship in New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will 
>>> have a small jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
>>> dirtiest on the planet.
>>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will lick it 
>>> when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>>>  
>>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player and theyre 
>>> kind of stagnant in general right now
>>>  
>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has something to do with 
>>>> the Wuhan virus and the fact that all their stuff is made in China?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting to stockpile 
>>>> equipment that might be in short supply this year.  I know China will try 
>>>> not to let the virus impact their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard 
>>>> to see how it won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area 
>>>> that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and assembly work.  I 
>>>> have already seen some predictions that TV supplies may be affected.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Rex-List Account
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 9:58 AM
>>>> To: AF@af.afmug.com
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
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[Matt Hoppes]

So let me get this straight. A virus that is not a big deal has caused China to:

Send the president into hiding
Build several emergency hospitals
Lock down major cities 
Extend the CNY
In some cases barricade people in their homes
Daily fumigation of streets
Crematories running 24x7 to burning the dead bodies
People being forcibly removed from their homes and taken into quarantine 
Suspicious deaths around doctors revealing information
Extreme China censorship even to U. S. online forums

China has also sent out a blank response to their citizens for anyone dealing 
in international trade. If asked how things are going they all respond with 
extremely similar answers about how everything is contained in Wuhan and things 
are fine. Literally down to the same wording in cases. 

Tell me. What does China know about this “not a big deal Virus” that we don’t 
that they are willing to risk their economy?

> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is below 
> 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the 
> infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by 
> comparison is rated at 15). 
> 
> So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal. 
> 
> Fear driven journalism.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>>   the map 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
>>> this is the Johns Hopkins map
>>> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have been wrong. 
>>> Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread outside china beyond the 
>>> two people who had sex with people who had been infected in china. theyre 
>>> offloading a cruise ship in New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will 
>>> have a small jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
>>> dirtiest on the planet.
>>> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will lick it 
>>> when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>>> 
>>> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player and theyre 
>>> kind of stagnant in general right now
>>> 
 On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof
 wrote:
 I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has something to do with 
 the Wuhan virus and the fact that all their stuff is made in China?
 
  
 
 I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting to stockpile 
 equipment that might be in short supply this year.  I know China will try 
 not to let the virus impact their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard 
 to see how it won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area 
 that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and assembly work.  I 
 have already seen some predictions that TV supplies may be affected.
 
  
 
  
 
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 Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
 
  
 
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[chuck]

Well I hope they don’t leave out the gift of free bats and snakes in my 
shipment of cables.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 9:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

But they have a large city on lockdown, and to some the extent the whole 
province.  I’m not familiar with Wuhan, or Hubei province.  Looks like it’s 
inland.  Maybe it’s not a major center for manufacturing or shipping of 
electronics.

 

 

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Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 10:30 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

 

This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is below 
2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the infectiousness 
is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is 
rated at 15). 

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal. 

Fear driven journalism.

 

bp On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  the map 

   

  On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

this is the Johns Hopkins map 

Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have been wrong. 
Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread outside china beyond the two 
people who had sex with people who had been infected in china. theyre 
offloading a cruise ship in New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will 
have a small jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
dirtiest on the planet.

I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will lick it 
when it gets here and then come breath on people.

 

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player and theyre 
kind of stagnant in general right now

 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has something to do with 
the Wuhan virus and the fact that all their stuff is made in China?

   

  I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting to stockpile 
equipment that might be in short supply this year.  I know China will try not 
to let the virus impact their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see 
how it won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area that do a 
lot of electronic component manufacturing and assembly work.  I have already 
seen some predictions that TV supplies may be affected.

   

   

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[chuck]

Sounds like a live streaming moment to me.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 9:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

this is the Johns Hopkins map 
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have been wrong. 
Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread outside china beyond the two 
people who had sex with people who had been infected in china. theyre 
offloading a cruise ship in New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will 
have a small jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
dirtiest on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will lick it when it 
gets here and then come breath on people.

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player and theyre kind 
of stagnant in general right now

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has something to do with the 
Wuhan virus and the fact that all their stuff is made in China?



  I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting to stockpile 
equipment that might be in short supply this year.  I know China will try not 
to let the virus impact their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see 
how it won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area that do a 
lot of electronic component manufacturing and assembly work.  I have already 
seen some predictions that TV supplies may be affected.





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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Ken Hohhof]

But they have a large city on lockdown, and to some the extent the whole 
province.  I’m not familiar with Wuhan, or Hubei province.  Looks like it’s 
inland.  Maybe it’s not a major center for manufacturing or shipping of 
electronics.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 10:30 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

 

This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is below 
2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the infectiousness 
is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is 
rated at 15). 

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal. 

Fear driven journalism.

 

bp

 

On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  the map 

 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

this is the Johns Hopkins map 

Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have been wrong. 
Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread outside china beyond the two 
people who had sex with people who had been infected in china. theyre 
offloading a cruise ship in New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will 
have a small jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
dirtiest on the planet.

I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will lick it when it 
gets here and then come breath on people.

 

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player and theyre kind 
of stagnant in general right now

 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has something to do with the 
Wuhan virus and the fact that all their stuff is made in China?

 

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting to stockpile 
equipment that might be in short supply this year.  I know China will try not 
to let the virus impact their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see 
how it won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area that do a 
lot of electronic component manufacturing and assembly work.  I have already 
seen some predictions that TV supplies may be affected.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[chuck]

And it is far more infectious to Asians than Waspy people.  By a factor of 2:1 
due to differences in receptors amongst different races.   

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 9:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality rate is below 
2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go). Second, the infectiousness 
is fairly low as well; somewhere between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is 
rated at 15). 


So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that fatal. 


Fear driven journalism.



bp


On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
  the map 


  On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

this is the Johns Hopkins map 
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have been wrong. 
Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread outside china beyond the two 
people who had sex with people who had been infected in china. theyre 
offloading a cruise ship in New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will 
have a small jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the 
dirtiest on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will lick it 
when it gets here and then come breath on people.

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player and theyre 
kind of stagnant in general right now

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has something to do with 
the Wuhan virus and the fact that all their stuff is made in China?



  I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting to stockpile 
equipment that might be in short supply this year.  I know China will try not 
to let the virus impact their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to see 
how it won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area that do a 
lot of electronic component manufacturing and assembly work.  I have already 
seen some predictions that TV supplies may be affected.





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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Bill Prince]

  
  
This thing is being overblown in a big way. First, the fatality
  rate is below 2% (which is pretty low as far as these things go).
  Second, the infectiousness is fairly low as well; somewhere
  between 1.5 and 3 (measles by comparison is rated at 15). 

So the virus is not all that infectious, and it is not all that
  fatal. 

Fear driven journalism.


bp



On 2/7/2020 8:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


  
  https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 
the map 
  
  
  
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19
  AM Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  this is the Johns Hopkins map
Pretty much all the prediction models of global
  pandemic have been wrong. Recoveries are out pacing
  deaths. It hasnt spread outside china beyond the two
  people who had sex with people who had been infected in
  china. theyre offloading a cruise ship in New Jersey today
  apparently so our numbers will have a small jump. Its a
  3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the dirtiest
  on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks
  ago, i will lick it when it gets here and then come breath
  on people.


UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE
  Player and theyre kind of stagnant in general right now
  
  
  
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at
  10:10 AM Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:


  

  I don’t follow UBNT but I would
have to guess it has something to do with the Wuhan
virus and the fact that all their stuff is made in
China?
   
  I have been tempted to post
asking if any WISPs are starting to stockpile
equipment that might be in short supply this year. 
I know China will try not to let the virus impact
their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard to
see how it won’t.  It could also spread to other
countries in the area that do a lot of electronic
component manufacturing and assembly work.  I have
already seen some predictions that TV supplies may
be affected.
   
   
  

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[Steve Jones]

this is the Johns Hopkins map
Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have been wrong.
Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread outside china beyond the
two people who had sex with people who had been infected in china. theyre
offloading a cruise ship in New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will
have a small jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
dirtiest on the planet.
I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will lick it
when it gets here and then come breath on people.

UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player and theyre
kind of stagnant in general right now

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has something to do with
> the Wuhan virus and the fact that all their stuff is made in China?
>
>
>
> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting to stockpile
> equipment that might be in short supply this year.  I know China will try
> not to let the virus impact their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard
> to see how it won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
> that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and assembly work.  I
> have already seen some predictions that TV supplies may be affected.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Rex-List Account
> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 9:58 AM
> *To:* AF@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>
>
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> What’s up with the Ubiguiti stock price drop?
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[Steve Jones]

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
the map

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> this is the Johns Hopkins map
> Pretty much all the prediction models of global pandemic have been wrong.
> Recoveries are out pacing deaths. It hasnt spread outside china beyond the
> two people who had sex with people who had been infected in china. theyre
> offloading a cruise ship in New Jersey today apparently so our numbers will
> have a small jump. Its a 3rd world respiratory illness. chinese air is the
> dirtiest on the planet.
> I have a tool that shipped out of Wuhan a few weeks ago, i will lick it
> when it gets here and then come breath on people.
>
> UBNT probably is dropping because theyre not a CBRS LTE Player and theyre
> kind of stagnant in general right now
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has something to do with
>> the Wuhan virus and the fact that all their stuff is made in China?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting to stockpile
>> equipment that might be in short supply this year.  I know China will try
>> not to let the virus impact their manufacturing and exports, but it’s hard
>> to see how it won’t.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
>> that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and assembly work.  I
>> have already seen some predictions that TV supplies may be affected.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Rex-List Account
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 7, 2020 9:58 AM
>> *To:* AF@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock
>>
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>>
>> What’s up with the Ubiguiti stock price drop?
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti stock

[Matt Hoppes]

I posted on Facebook asking about this and was basically laughed at.

I do believe there will be a severe equipment disruption and I intend to 
do some stock piling.


On 2/7/20 11:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I don’t follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has something to do 
with the Wuhan virus and the fact that all their stuff is made in China?


I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting to 
stockpile equipment that might be in short supply this year.  I know 
China will try not to let the virus impact their manufacturing and 
exports, but it’s hard to see how it won’t.  It could also spread to 
other countries in the area that do a lot of electronic component 
manufacturing and assembly work.  I have already seen some predictions 
that TV supplies may be affected.


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[Ken Hohhof]

I don't follow UBNT but I would have to guess it has something to do with
the Wuhan virus and the fact that all their stuff is made in China?

 

I have been tempted to post asking if any WISPs are starting to stockpile
equipment that might be in short supply this year.  I know China will try
not to let the virus impact their manufacturing and exports, but it's hard
to see how it won't.  It could also spread to other countries in the area
that do a lot of electronic component manufacturing and assembly work.  I
have already seen some predictions that TV supplies may be affected.

 

 

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[Matt Hoppes]

Which of course was because "the provider market isn't doing well" 
rather than "we really @#$@#4 up our supply chain with 11x, software 
bugs, and other nonsense.


On 2/7/20 11:03 AM, Eric Nielsen wrote:
Quarterly reports were bleak, according to their press release. Their 
revenue was down 4.6% over the previous quarter.


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[Eric Nielsen]

Quarterly reports were bleak, according to their press release. Their
revenue was down 4.6% over the previous quarter.

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[Matt Hoppes]

Maybe the fact that Robert purchased a jet that he said he was going to 
use for personal use?


That's rather Adelphia-ish.

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