Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.
I am using an RB2011 as a VPLS NID to provide 100meg DIA to a customer. It works great. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 05:56 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: We do similar and if the customer doesnt have these things at the termination point we offer a lease or purchase for the extended equipment. I still cant get away from Mikrotiks CCR routers instead of the latter. On 10/29/2014 7:29 PM, Paul Stewart via Af wrote: That pricing is similar to what we charge when using PTP600 directly back to a fiber fed hub site. At the customer site, we install an APC 1500 UPS (with SNMP management) and a Juniper SRX router - fully managed and monitored from NOC. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:00 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. Base Price: 1yr Contract: $1980/mo 2yr Contract: $1870/mo 3yr Contract: $1760/mo We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end up giving customers 20-30% off to make a deal. DIA services are always negotiable. Sometimes we have to add to them to deal with all the upgrades necessary to get to the customer. Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is usually not a big deal. Licensed link could be the cost of the link spread over term of contract. You also have to consider what it takes from your backbone to deliver that. How many sites from your upstream is it? Do you need to charge enough to cover future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What about upgrades to UPSes in the path? Just some things to consider. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: No Comcast here. No ATT here. Others as well. Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1 in this location would be ~~ $500 per month. There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited. bp On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at that rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent ComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Bill Prince via Afaf@afmug.com *To: *Motorola IIIaf@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out of the question. I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives. -- bp --
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Assuming channels are available (for either XPIC implementation). ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:39:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently That we have announced, of course. Of course we also don't announce radios then don't have inventory for 6 months either. We don't even talk roadmap under NDA for things that are less than a realistic 6 months out. FYI Integra does support LAG (or PLA as other vendors call it) and I'd also argue 2+0 at $10k less is a lot more attractive than 1+0 with no hardware redundancy. And no software keys. And a 5 year warranty. Our 11GHz implementation is coming along very well. Trust me, the wait will be worth it. Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one channel with XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower. Its all one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were huge requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks better since it will have full QoS control and OAM. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra. You could almost buy 2 links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-) On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM features. Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent - computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers. Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna. Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean. Not inexpensive however. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Yeah it's getting a bit crowded even in markets that you'd think would be pretty open. Not bad yet but getting there. 10 years from now we'll be in rocking chairs remembering the good old days when there were open channel pairs as far as the eye could see. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Assuming channels are available (for either XPIC implementation). ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:39:00 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently That we have announced, of course. Of course we also don't announce radios then don't have inventory for 6 months either. We don't even talk roadmap under NDA for things that are less than a realistic 6 months out. FYI Integra does support LAG (or PLA as other vendors call it) and I'd also argue 2+0 at $10k less is a lot more attractive than 1+0 with no hardware redundancy. And no software keys. And a 5 year warranty. Our 11GHz implementation is coming along very well. Trust me, the wait will be worth it. Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one channel with XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower. Its all one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were huge requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks better since it will have full QoS control and OAM. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra. You could almost buy 2 links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-) On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM features. Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent - computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? If I recall right an IP20C requires an
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
I just threw up in my mouth a little. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Here are the licensed paths that pass within 5 miles of one of my locations. That's not including all of the continually renewed PCNs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 7:52:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently Yeah it's getting a bit crowded even in markets that you'd think would be pretty open. Not bad yet but getting there. 10 years from now we'll be in rocking chairs remembering the good old days when there were open channel pairs as far as the eye could see. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Assuming channels are available (for either XPIC implementation). ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:39:00 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently That we have announced, of course. Of course we also don't announce radios then don't have inventory for 6 months either. We don't even talk roadmap under NDA for things that are less than a realistic 6 months out. FYI Integra does support LAG (or PLA as other vendors call it) and I'd also argue 2+0 at $10k less is a lot more attractive than 1+0 with no hardware redundancy. And no software keys. And a 5 year warranty. Our 11GHz implementation is coming along very well. Trust me, the wait will be worth it. Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one channel with XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower. Its all one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were huge requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks better since it will have full QoS control and OAM. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra. You could almost buy 2 links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-) On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM features. Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent - computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
We get the same channels in 38GHz at the same location in different directions. So if the frequency planning is good there is a lot of frequency. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Caleb Knauer via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 13:52 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently Yeah it's getting a bit crowded even in markets that you'd think would be pretty open. Not bad yet but getting there. 10 years from now we'll be in rocking chairs remembering the good old days when there were open channel pairs as far as the eye could see. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Assuming channels are available (for either XPIC implementation). ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:39:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently That we have announced, of course. Of course we also don't announce radios then don't have inventory for 6 months either. We don't even talk roadmap under NDA for things that are less than a realistic 6 months out. FYI Integra does support LAG (or PLA as other vendors call it) and I'd also argue 2+0 at $10k less is a lot more attractive than 1+0 with no hardware redundancy. And no software keys. And a 5 year warranty. Our 11GHz implementation is coming along very well. Trust me, the wait will be worth it. Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one channel with XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower. Its all one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were huge requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks better since it will have full QoS control and OAM. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra. You could almost buy 2 links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-) On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM features. Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent - computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
That's also not including all of the licensed links that are going between the same towers. That's just going to show unique paths. There could be five, ten links on a given path (just guessing, I haven't actually checked that). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:31:34 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently I just threw up in my mouth a little. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Here are the licensed paths that pass within 5 miles of one of my locations. That's not including all of the continually renewed PCNs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 7:52:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently Yeah it's getting a bit crowded even in markets that you'd think would be pretty open. Not bad yet but getting there. 10 years from now we'll be in rocking chairs remembering the good old days when there were open channel pairs as far as the eye could see. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Assuming channels are available (for either XPIC implementation). ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:39:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently That we have announced, of course. Of course we also don't announce radios then don't have inventory for 6 months either. We don't even talk roadmap under NDA for things that are less than a realistic 6 months out. FYI Integra does support LAG (or PLA as other vendors call it) and I'd also argue 2+0 at $10k less is a lot more attractive than 1+0 with no hardware redundancy. And no software keys. And a 5 year warranty. Our 11GHz implementation is coming along very well. Trust me, the wait will be worth it. Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one channel with XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower. Its all one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were huge requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks better since it will have full QoS control and OAM. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra. You could almost buy 2 links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-) On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com wrote: All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM features. Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto: m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel: 530.272.4000 On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent - computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com *To: * af@afmug.com mailto:
Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman?
Rain fade time Jaime Solorza On Oct 29, 2014 4:17 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just had a ISP Radio show on getting licensed 28 and 39 ghz point to multi point J That was today! Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman? Cambridge VectaStar! On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FTTA? I hate that crap, let's call it what it is - wireless, or more generically, high speed. Am I the only person who wants to smack this marketing department in the mouth? On Friday, October 24, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: the attached PDF is from summer 2011. 42 GHz 30 or 60 degree sector antenna. never found much traction in the market. the sectors in your photo look like they are hollow and feed directly onto a relatively narrow diameter waveguide. higher-res photo? On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: ehh... I can't find anything on their site that looks like that. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 01:37 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Sort of looks like 38 GHz PtMP sector antennas for something such as http://www.bluwan.com/ On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What are these? Vivint? Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
We use digital contracts through Powercode. They added this feature last year. I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and cannot access the net until they are signed. We have them sign at the time of the install. I have only had two who sat there and read the entire thing. Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm. Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's account. This has really simplified the process for us. Thanks Powercode! On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:46 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware . The cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready to sign. I say the writing is on the wall :) On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
seriously, why do you guys not get your contracts signed ahead of time? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use digital contracts through Powercode. They added this feature last year. I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and cannot access the net until they are signed. We have them sign at the time of the install. I have only had two who sat there and read the entire thing. Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm. Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's account. This has really simplified the process for us. Thanks Powercode! On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:46 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware . The cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready to sign. I say the writing is on the wall :) On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Custom engraving stencil
How about this method? http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-do-engraving-easy-and-make-it-look-decent/ On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone know where you can get a custom engraving stencil? Want to put property of XXX on all our hand tools. Small enough to go on wrenches as well.
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
you dont have a website or email? They can fill ours out or download them from the website they can scan and email them back in or postal mail/hand deliver it would seem to me additional work for office staff whos job it is to shuffle paperwork would be better than additional work for field crews who arent paper jockeys. that just my opinion, and thats based on the fact that we hire retards most of the time, I assume thats where mileage varies. but to the original OP if you have mediacom in your area, their vans all have printers in them, theyre in the back end behind the cage, probably because of too many mustard packets in the print head. You ought to snatch one of those guys up off the street and find out what printer theyre using On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: For me, having them sign ahead of time would require extra work. I would have to have them print it and then I'd either be back on paperwork or I'd have to scan it and upload it to their account back at the office. I can't 'push' a contract to them if they aren't on my network. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:24 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: seriously, why do you guys not get your contracts signed ahead of time? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use digital contracts through Powercode. They added this feature last year. I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and cannot access the net until they are signed. We have them sign at the time of the install. I have only had two who sat there and read the entire thing. Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm. Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's account. This has really simplified the process for us. Thanks Powercode! On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:46 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware . The cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready to sign. I say the writing is on the wall :) On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman?
Better than 80 GHz On Oct 30, 2014 6:42 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Rain fade time Jaime Solorza On Oct 29, 2014 4:17 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just had a ISP Radio show on getting licensed 28 and 39 ghz point to multi point J That was today! Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman? Cambridge VectaStar! On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FTTA? I hate that crap, let's call it what it is - wireless, or more generically, high speed. Am I the only person who wants to smack this marketing department in the mouth? On Friday, October 24, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: the attached PDF is from summer 2011. 42 GHz 30 or 60 degree sector antenna. never found much traction in the market. the sectors in your photo look like they are hollow and feed directly onto a relatively narrow diameter waveguide. higher-res photo? On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: ehh... I can't find anything on their site that looks like that. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 01:37 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Sort of looks like 38 GHz PtMP sector antennas for something such as http://www.bluwan.com/ On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What are these? Vivint? Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
Do you guys also require customers to give the installer the upfront payment? I don’t have the installers handle money (unless the customer gives them a tip) because I don’t want to be in the situation where the customer says I gave the installer a check but I didn’t get a check. Or someone trying to pay the installer in cash or chickens. Or kittens, they are always trying to give us kittens. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork you dont have a website or email? They can fill ours out or download them from the website they can scan and email them back in or postal mail/hand deliver it would seem to me additional work for office staff whos job it is to shuffle paperwork would be better than additional work for field crews who arent paper jockeys. that just my opinion, and thats based on the fact that we hire retards most of the time, I assume thats where mileage varies. but to the original OP if you have mediacom in your area, their vans all have printers in them, theyre in the back end behind the cage, probably because of too many mustard packets in the print head. You ought to snatch one of those guys up off the street and find out what printer theyre using On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: For me, having them sign ahead of time would require extra work. I would have to have them print it and then I'd either be back on paperwork or I'd have to scan it and upload it to their account back at the office. I can't 'push' a contract to them if they aren't on my network. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:24 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: seriously, why do you guys not get your contracts signed ahead of time? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use digital contracts through Powercode. They added this feature last year. I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and cannot access the net until they are signed. We have them sign at the time of the install. I have only had two who sat there and read the entire thing. Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm. Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's account. This has really simplified the process for us. Thanks Powercode! On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:46 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware . The cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready to sign. I say the writing is on the wall :) On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � -- [cid:image001.jpg@01CFF3C7.58116450]
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
Very cool concept Jeremy with the portable POE/Router and Tablet. I tend to agree it seems like extra work in the office to have the paperwork signed first. Also, one main reason for us is part of our paperwork relates to them signing that they now take responsibility for the install, IE: they approve how our technician installed it and are not going to call me in a couple weeks and say, ‘I never said your tech could drill a hole into my house and now you’re paying for me to fix it.’ Our techs take pictures of their completed work, we upload those to the account profile on our in house software, and then have them for reference. Also the price can change if they decide they want a router or some other piece of equipment, so when they sign they sign off on the install, the price, the equipment, and the terms of service. I would like to however go paperless with tablets and direct pay via CC, which is what I plan to work towards now. For cash and checks our employees are pretty responsible. However, we have a procedure that the employee writes the amount of money and form of payment on the paperwork that the customer keeps as their receipt, then when that employee gets to the office the book keeping staff verifies the amount wrote on the paperwork is turned in. It’s been a pretty simple process that is very efficient. If the customer wants to say they gave our employee money, then it will be on the paperwork they signed, and if it is, then the employee is responsible for losing that money and faces disciplinary action. That rarely to never happens, so I feel like it’s a good system. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork Do you guys also require customers to give the installer the upfront payment? I don’t have the installers handle money (unless the customer gives them a tip) because I don’t want to be in the situation where the customer says I gave the installer a check but I didn’t get a check. Or someone trying to pay the installer in cash or chickens. Or kittens, they are always trying to give us kittens. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork you dont have a website or email? They can fill ours out or download them from the website they can scan and email them back in or postal mail/hand deliver it would seem to me additional work for office staff whos job it is to shuffle paperwork would be better than additional work for field crews who arent paper jockeys. that just my opinion, and thats based on the fact that we hire retards most of the time, I assume thats where mileage varies. but to the original OP if you have mediacom in your area, their vans all have printers in them, theyre in the back end behind the cage, probably because of too many mustard packets in the print head. You ought to snatch one of those guys up off the street and find out what printer theyre using On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: For me, having them sign ahead of time would require extra work. I would have to have them print it and then I'd either be back on paperwork or I'd have to scan it and upload it to their account back at the office. I can't 'push' a contract to them if they aren't on my network. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:24 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: seriously, why do you guys not get your contracts signed ahead of time? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use digital contracts through Powercode. They added this feature last year. I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and cannot access the net until they are signed. We have them sign at the time of the install. I have only had two who sat there and read the entire thing. Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm. Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's account. This has really simplified the process for us. Thanks Powercode! On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:46 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware . The cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready to sign. I say the writing is on the wall :) On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
We fight management all the time on upfront payments. Too much can happen between the beginning of the day and the end up the day to make the installer responsible for company funds. Maybe once every 6 months management approves a payment on site. Thats shady business if you ask me. If they dont have the money to pay the fee today why would they have the money to pay the fee on the install date. We make it virtually impossible to not get free installation and the minimum upfront payment is one months service. If you dont have it today, yet youre signing up for our service, what kind of customer will you be? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Very cool concept Jeremy with the portable POE/Router and Tablet. I tend to agree it seems like extra work in the office to have the paperwork signed first. Also, one main reason for us is part of our paperwork relates to them signing that they now take responsibility for the install, IE: they approve how our technician installed it and are not going to call me in a couple weeks and say, ‘I never said your tech could drill a hole into my house and now you’re paying for me to fix it.’ Our techs take pictures of their completed work, we upload those to the account profile on our in house software, and then have them for reference. Also the price can change if they decide they want a router or some other piece of equipment, so when they sign they sign off on the install, the price, the equipment, and the terms of service. I would like to however go paperless with tablets and direct pay via CC, which is what I plan to work towards now. For cash and checks our employees are pretty responsible. However, we have a procedure that the employee writes the amount of money and form of payment on the paperwork that the customer keeps as their receipt, then when that employee gets to the office the book keeping staff verifies the amount wrote on the paperwork is turned in. It’s been a pretty simple process that is very efficient. If the customer wants to say they gave our employee money, then it will be on the paperwork they signed, and if it is, then the employee is responsible for losing that money and faces disciplinary action. That rarely to never happens, so I feel like it’s a good system. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork Do you guys also require customers to give the installer the upfront payment? I don’t have the installers handle money (unless the customer gives them a tip) because I don’t want to be in the situation where the customer says I gave the installer a check but I didn’t get a check. Or someone trying to pay the installer in cash or chickens. Or kittens, they are always trying to give us kittens. *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork you dont have a website or email? They can fill ours out or download them from the website they can scan and email them back in or postal mail/hand deliver it would seem to me additional work for office staff whos job it is to shuffle paperwork would be better than additional work for field crews who arent paper jockeys. that just my opinion, and thats based on the fact that we hire retards most of the time, I assume thats where mileage varies. but to the original OP if you have mediacom in your area, their vans all have printers in them, theyre in the back end behind the cage, probably because of too many mustard packets in the print head. You ought to snatch one of those guys up off the street and find out what printer theyre using On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: For me, having them sign ahead of time would require extra work. I would have to have them print it and then I'd either be back on paperwork or I'd have to scan it and upload it to their account back at the office. I can't 'push' a contract to them if they aren't on my network. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:24 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: seriously, why do you guys not get your contracts signed ahead of time? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use digital contracts through Powercode. They added this feature last year. I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and cannot access the net until they are signed. We have them sign at the time of the install. I have only had two who sat there and read the entire thing. Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm. Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's account. This has really simplified the process for us. Thanks Powercode! On Wed,
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
Yes. Or use hardened Switches with POE. Planet/KTI/MOXA have them. More expensive but likely the've a better MTBF than RB750UP and .af/.at compatibility. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mathew Howard via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 15:39 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. _ From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � --
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: blockquote RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: blockquote � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � /blockquote -- /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
Oh, I didn't know that. Then yes, pitch the 850. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: blockquote RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: blockquote � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � /blockquote -- /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
Thanks everyone, and i'm glad i could start another major list topic change... lol - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. -- From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bpOn 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � --
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
What? No pony? bp On 10/29/2014 6:43 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � --
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
POE on a gigabit port is a special sort of animal. Might preclude doing non-gigabit on those ports. bp On 10/30/2014 7:38 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � --
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
I just checked with the other brothers. Normis has acknowledged that is a RouterOS problem. The hardware is capable of more. (I'm not sure how much more). He didn't say when they're planning on having it fixed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: blockquote RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: blockquote � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � /blockquote -- /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
. On Oct 29, 2014 5:16 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
Maybe not the way to do it, but I don't have them sign anything. Install it and call it a day. If they don't like it, tough. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:24:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork seriously, why do you guys not get your contracts signed ahead of time? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use digital contracts through Powercode. They added this feature last year. I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and cannot access the net until they are signed. We have them sign at the time of the install. I have only had two who sat there and read the entire thing. Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm. Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's account. This has really simplified the process for us. Thanks Powercode! On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:46 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware . The cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready to sign. I say the writing is on the wall :) On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote: blockquote Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net /blockquote /blockquote -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
That would be fine for me From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik POE on a gigabit port is a special sort of animal. Might preclude doing non-gigabit on those ports. bp On 10/30/2014 7:38 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � -- [cid:image001.jpg@01CFF43D.CAC738F0]
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
I know PoE Gigabit is a bit different, but Ubiquiti can do it, so I don't see any reason MikroTik shouldn't be able to... From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik POE on a gigabit port is a special sort of animal. Might preclude doing non-gigabit on those ports. bp On 10/30/2014 7:38 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � -- [cid:part1.00050502.05080305@SkylineBroadbandService.com]
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Oh, I didn't know that. Then yes, pitch the 850. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � -- [http://127.0.0.1:58274/service/home/%7E/?auth=coid=1de3965e-b725-4c61-b23b-9b05aabb2124:31846part=2]
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
Our customers just have to pay the setup fee and first month before the install date. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 06:38 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Do you guys also require customers to give the installer the upfront payment? I don’t have the installers handle money (unless the customer gives them a tip) because I don’t want to be in the situation where the customer says I gave the installer a check but I didn’t get a check. Or someone trying to pay the installer in cash or chickens. Or kittens, they are always trying to give us kittens. *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork you dont have a website or email? They can fill ours out or download them from the website they can scan and email them back in or postal mail/hand deliver it would seem to me additional work for office staff whos job it is to shuffle paperwork would be better than additional work for field crews who arent paper jockeys. that just my opinion, and thats based on the fact that we hire retards most of the time, I assume thats where mileage varies. but to the original OP if you have mediacom in your area, their vans all have printers in them, theyre in the back end behind the cage, probably because of too many mustard packets in the print head. You ought to snatch one of those guys up off the street and find out what printer theyre using On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: For me, having them sign ahead of time would require extra work. I would have to have them print it and then I'd either be back on paperwork or I'd have to scan it and upload it to their account back at the office. I can't 'push' a contract to them if they aren't on my network. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:24 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: seriously, why do you guys not get your contracts signed ahead of time? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We use digital contracts through Powercode. They added this feature last year. I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and cannot access the net until they are signed. We have them sign at the time of the install. I have only had two who sat there and read the entire thing. Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm. Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's account. This has really simplified the process for us. Thanks Powercode! On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:46 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware . The cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready to sign. I say the writing is on the wall :) On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 tel:217-965-3699 www.royell.net http://www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
?you know that's the weird thing about Mikrotik. As much as i love their gear, it seems like they have a bad habit of producting *almost* the right product. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Oh, I didn't know that. Then yes, pitch the 850. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS ... Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � -- [http://127.0.0.1:58274/service/home/%7E/?auth=coid=1de3965e-b725-4c61-b23b-9b05aabb2124:31846part=2]
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
I'd say that problem afflicts many of our vendors, though MT and UBNT are at the top of the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:51:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik you know that's the weird thing about Mikrotik. As much as i love their gear, it seems like they have a bad habit of producting *almost* the right product. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Oh, I didn't know that. Then yes, pitch the 850. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: blockquote RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: blockquote � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � /blockquote -- /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] 13.2(Build 35) Open Beta
Are we going to get 13.2 official this week?
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
It really does affect a lot of our vendors, but I would have to say MikroTik is the worst. They are really good at making products that are almost perfect, but then they screw up one or two things really badly. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik I'd say that problem afflicts many of our vendors, though MT and UBNT are at the top of the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:51:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik you know that's the weird thing about Mikrotik. As much as i love their gear, it seems like they have a bad habit of producting *almost* the right product. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Oh, I didn't know that. Then yes, pitch the 850. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100,
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
Our wall mounting option for the 4' antenna is limited to the 25g we ran up the side, the antenna will actually be 75 feet up the wall from the first platform I dont think unless we installed a standing platform we would be able to adjust the antenna. I think Im calculating right, its going to take 500lbs ballast if I used a PRM4, but the lead time on those exceeds our timeline so Im looking at the sitepro tripods. We are kind of limited to the non penetrating solution because with that we dont have to have a mother may I in place A penetrating mount we will, and if a board member says structural analysis we are shut down on time. So we are limited to horizontal surface mounts We can get away with small concrete anchors, but we are talking 3/8 x 3 and I just dont see that that would be safe. Where would I look to find the penetrating mount anchoring requirements, I see ballast charts all over, but no anchoring specs. On another note, Ive never dealt with 4' antennas before, apparently this has a strut. How do I attach a strut if I only have the single vertical mast? On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote: At the risk of getting my testicals chopped off, I’d recommend wall mounting if you can. SBWM-412 from Sitepro is $150 and the HWK58 for mounting is ~$30. Throw in 6’ 0f 4-1/2” pipe for $160 and your looking at a solid mount for $340 that takes less time to install then it would take to lug the concrete up to secure a non-pen with a 4-1/2” pipe on it. If you need to use a non-pen, Id use: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TRPD-HD%20(Assembly).pdf with a 4-1/2” pipe. Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That has got to be one of the best e-mails I have read in a long time :-) Commscope makes a nice option for a large non-pen mast – but I’d steer away from anything with less than a 4” OD mast for a 4ft antenna. Rohn makes a similar one, and Baird has a few options. image001.jpg *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:25 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics to it) We have the option to plow through the wall with plates, but if we go to that expenses we might as well go to a full non pen for a 4 antenna at the top. Any advice on a non pen mount that can support a 4 parabolic? This side we can do pretty much whatever, but still want the smallest footprint. The other side, for non pen, our partner claims to have an 8' x 8' footprint mount, the best I ever specced was 10x10 so Im suspiscious. Both sites are grain elevators. Im looking for the minimum grounding to achieve a respectable level of protection. If you send me an NEC link, you have no value to me, Im not asking because I already know the NEC spec and just want to brag about my testicles. I just want a rough Idea of what it would take to get to a point where with factory spec installation of a Lumina I can meet the minimum ground/bond at an elevator and grow from there. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again,
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
I formally invite all vendors to tell me what they're thinking of making (NDA is fine) and I'll tell you what you need to change before you even start building it. I'll even rate them as Don't release it with(out) this feature, Would buy, but if it had X feature, I'd marry it and Meh. I'd like to think that I'm very good at telling you where you messed up, but that I will also help you work through it if afforded the opportunity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:03:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik It really does affect a lot of our vendors, but I would have to say MikroTik is the worst. They are really good at making products that are almost perfect, but then they screw up one or two things really badly. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik I'd say that problem afflicts many of our vendors, though MT and UBNT are at the top of the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:51:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik you know that's the weird thing about Mikrotik. As much as i love their gear, it seems like they have a bad habit of producting *almost* the right product. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Oh, I didn't know that. Then yes, pitch the 850. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: blockquote RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: blockquote � OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please � thanks � /blockquote -- /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
I would love to do that too... even if they didn't listen to us, at least I'd get the satisfaction of being able to say I told you so when they release it and everyone complains about it being made wrong. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik I formally invite all vendors to tell me what they're thinking of making (NDA is fine) and I'll tell you what you need to change before you even start building it. I'll even rate them as Don't release it with(out) this feature, Would buy, but if it had X feature, I'd marry it and Meh. I'd like to think that I'm very good at telling you where you messed up, but that I will also help you work through it if afforded the opportunity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:03:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik It really does affect a lot of our vendors, but I would have to say MikroTik is the worst. They are really good at making products that are almost perfect, but then they screw up one or two things really badly. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik I'd say that problem afflicts many of our vendors, though MT and UBNT are at the top of the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:51:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik you know that's the weird thing about Mikrotik. As much as i love their gear, it seems like they have a bad habit of producting *almost* the right product. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Oh, I didn't know that. Then yes, pitch the 850. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
I'd think it'd make their job easier. They don't fully develop a product and then have to rebuild it because they did it wrong. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:17:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik I would love to do that too... even if they didn't listen to us, at least I'd get the satisfaction of being able to say I told you so when they release it and everyone complains about it being made wrong. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik I formally invite all vendors to tell me what they're thinking of making (NDA is fine) and I'll tell you what you need to change before you even start building it. I'll even rate them as Don't release it with(out) this feature, Would buy, but if it had X feature, I'd marry it and Meh. I'd like to think that I'm very good at telling you where you messed up, but that I will also help you work through it if afforded the opportunity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:03:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik It really does affect a lot of our vendors, but I would have to say MikroTik is the worst. They are really good at making products that are almost perfect, but then they screw up one or two things really badly. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik I'd say that problem afflicts many of our vendors, though MT and UBNT are at the top of the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:51:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik you know that's the weird thing about Mikrotik. As much as i love their gear, it seems like they have a bad habit of producting *almost* the right product. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Oh, I didn't know that. Then yes, pitch the 850. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these
[AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information
From: amanda.j.sny...@hushmail.com Sent: 10/30/2014 7:31 AM Subject: Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information THIS MESSAGE PERTAINS TO SUBPOENAS THAT WERE ISSUED TO YOUR COMPANY BY RIGHTSCORP, INC. PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO YOUR ATTORNEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, OR HEAD OF BUSINESS. Good Day: You are receiving this message because subpoenas were issued by Rightscorp, Inc. (“Rightscorp”) to your company in 2014. Among other things the subpoenas your company received were seeking personal identifying information of your subscribers including names, addresses, telephone numbers, and email address. Your company has been specifically targeted by Rightscorp because you are a small regional ISP. This year alone, Rightscorp has filed approximately 100 miscellaneous actions trying to force small regional ISPs to disclose personal subscriber information for the purposes of obtaining cash settlements from the aforementioned subscribers. Rightscorp strategy is to target small businesses like your in hopes that you will not be aware of the proper legal procedures, involve an attorney, or file a motion to quash the subpoena. The actions of Rightscorp, including its attorneys and owners is in blatant violation of the rules of civil procedure. This year two ISPs, Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC, have filed motions to quash the subpoenas, including motions for attorney’s fees and sanctions against Rightscorp. As a small ISP with limited resources its important for you to know that Rightscorp is specifically targeting you, not big players such as Comcast, Verizon, ATT, WOW, and TWC, and that any time Rightscorp has been challenged they have have retracted the subpoenas immediately. Attached to the message you will find two documents filed in Federal Court in response to Rightscorp. One by Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC. These documents can be used as templates and reference points by your attorney in crafting a response or you can contact the attorneys representing Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and Grande Communications Networks LLC directly with the contact details provided herein. Its important for small ISPs to stick together and share information related to these improper Rightscorp cases. Attorney D. Lee Clayton Swift, Currie, McGhee Hiers, LLP 1355 Peachtree Street, NE, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30309 Phone: 404-888-6168 Fax: 404-888-6199 lee.clay...@swiftcurrie.com Attorney Charles M. Salmon Locke Lord LLP 600 Congress, Suite 2200 Austin, Texas 78701 Phone: 512-305-4722 Fax: 512-391-4719 csal...@lockelord.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information
Are they taking donations for the legal fight or are you just keeping us informed? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information From: amanda.j.sny...@hushmail.com Sent: 10/30/2014 7:31 AM Subject: Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information THIS MESSAGE PERTAINS TO SUBPOENAS THAT WERE ISSUED TO YOUR COMPANY BY RIGHTSCORP, INC. PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO YOUR ATTORNEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, OR HEAD OF BUSINESS. Good Day: You are receiving this message because subpoenas were issued by Rightscorp, Inc. (“Rightscorp”) to your company in 2014. Among other things the subpoenas your company received were seeking personal identifying information of your subscribers including names, addresses, telephone numbers, and email address. Your company has been specifically targeted by Rightscorp because you are a small regional ISP. This year alone, Rightscorp has filed approximately 100 miscellaneous actions trying to force small regional ISPs to disclose personal subscriber information for the purposes of obtaining cash settlements from the aforementioned subscribers. Rightscorp strategy is to target small businesses like your in hopes that you will not be aware of the proper legal procedures, involve an attorney, or file a motion to quash the subpoena. The actions of Rightscorp, including its attorneys and owners is in blatant violation of the rules of civil procedure. This year two ISPs, Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC, have filed motions to quash the subpoenas, including motions for attorney’s fees and sanctions against Rightscorp. As a small ISP with limited resources its important for you to know that Rightscorp is specifically targeting you, not big players such as Comcast, Verizon, ATT, WOW, and TWC, and that any time Rightscorp has been challenged they have have retracted the subpoenas immediately. Attached to the message you will find two documents filed in Federal Court in response to Rightscorp. One by Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC. These documents can be used as templates and reference points by your attorney in crafting a response or you can contact the attorneys representing Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and Grande Communications Networks LLC directly with the contact details provided herein. Its important for small ISPs to stick together and share information related to these improper Rightscorp cases. Attorney D. Lee Clayton Swift, Currie, McGhee Hiers, LLP 1355 Peachtree Street, NE, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30309 Phone: 404-888-6168 Fax: 404-888-6199 lee.clay...@swiftcurrie.com Attorney Charles M. Salmon Locke Lord LLP 600 Congress, Suite 2200 Austin, Texas 78701 Phone: 512-305-4722 Fax: 512-391-4719 csal...@lockelord.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information
Is this our personal variation of patent trolls? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: From: amanda.j.sny...@hushmail.com Sent: 10/30/2014 7:31 AM Subject: Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information *THIS MESSAGE PERTAINS TO SUBPOENAS THAT WERE ISSUED TO YOUR COMPANY BY RIGHTSCORP, INC.* *PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO YOUR ATTORNEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, OR HEAD OF BUSINESS.* Good Day: You are receiving this message because subpoenas were issued by Rightscorp, Inc. (“Rightscorp”) to your company in 2014. Among other things the subpoenas your company received were seeking personal identifying information of your subscribers including names, addresses, telephone numbers, and email address. Your company has been specifically targeted by Rightscorp because you are a small regional ISP. This year alone, Rightscorp has filed approximately 100 miscellaneous actions trying to force small regional ISPs to disclose personal subscriber information for the purposes of obtaining cash settlements from the aforementioned subscribers. Rightscorp strategy is to target small businesses like your in hopes that you will not be aware of the proper legal procedures, involve an attorney, or file a motion to quash the subpoena. The actions of Rightscorp, including its attorneys and owners is in blatant violation of the rules of civil procedure. This year two ISPs, Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC, have filed motions to quash the subpoenas, including motions for attorney’s fees and sanctions against Rightscorp. As a small ISP with limited resources its important for you to know that Rightscorp is specifically targeting you, not big players such as Comcast, Verizon, ATT, WOW, and TWC, and that any time Rightscorp has been challenged they have have retracted the subpoenas immediately. Attached to the message you will find two documents filed in Federal Court in response to Rightscorp. One by Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC. These documents can be used as templates and reference points by your attorney in crafting a response or you can contact the attorneys representing Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and Grande Communications Networks LLC directly with the contact details provided herein. Its important for small ISPs to stick together and share information related to these improper Rightscorp cases. Attorney D. Lee Clayton Swift, Currie, McGhee Hiers, LLP 1355 Peachtree Street, NE, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30309 Phone: 404-888-6168 Fax: 404-888-6199 lee.clay...@swiftcurrie.com Attorney Charles M. Salmon Locke Lord LLP 600 Congress, Suite 2200 Austin, Texas 78701 Phone: 512-305-4722 Fax: 512-391-4719 csal...@lockelord.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information
FYI only. We got hit with a bunch of this stuff. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information Are they taking donations for the legal fight or are you just keeping us informed? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information From: amanda.j.sny...@hushmail.com Sent: 10/30/2014 7:31 AM Subject: Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information THIS MESSAGE PERTAINS TO SUBPOENAS THAT WERE ISSUED TO YOUR COMPANY BY RIGHTSCORP, INC. PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO YOUR ATTORNEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, OR HEAD OF BUSINESS. Good Day: You are receiving this message because subpoenas were issued by Rightscorp, Inc. (“Rightscorp”) to your company in 2014. Among other things the subpoenas your company received were seeking personal identifying information of your subscribers including names, addresses, telephone numbers, and email address. Your company has been specifically targeted by Rightscorp because you are a small regional ISP. This year alone, Rightscorp has filed approximately 100 miscellaneous actions trying to force small regional ISPs to disclose personal subscriber information for the purposes of obtaining cash settlements from the aforementioned subscribers. Rightscorp strategy is to target small businesses like your in hopes that you will not be aware of the proper legal procedures, involve an attorney, or file a motion to quash the subpoena. The actions of Rightscorp, including its attorneys and owners is in blatant violation of the rules of civil procedure. This year two ISPs, Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC, have filed motions to quash the subpoenas, including motions for attorney’s fees and sanctions against Rightscorp. As a small ISP with limited resources its important for you to know that Rightscorp is specifically targeting you, not big players such as Comcast, Verizon, ATT, WOW, and TWC, and that any time Rightscorp has been challenged they have have retracted the subpoenas immediately. Attached to the message you will find two documents filed in Federal Court in response to Rightscorp. One by Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC. These documents can be used as templates and reference points by your attorney in crafting a response or you can contact the attorneys representing Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and Grande Communications Networks LLC directly with the contact details provided herein. Its important for small ISPs to stick together and share information related to these improper Rightscorp cases. Attorney D. Lee Clayton Swift, Currie, McGhee Hiers, LLP 1355 Peachtree Street, NE, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30309 Phone: 404-888-6168 Fax: 404-888-6199 lee.clay...@swiftcurrie.com Attorney Charles M. Salmon Locke Lord LLP 600 Congress, Suite 2200 Austin, Texas 78701 Phone: 512-305-4722 Fax: 512-391-4719 csal...@lockelord.com
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
It's the Microsoft model. Don't spend too much time attempting to develop what customers actually want. Develop what you think they want, and they'll tell you what's wrong with it. By the 3rd iteration it'll be close enough. bp On 10/30/2014 10:19 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I'd think it'd make their job easier. They don't fully develop a product and then have to rebuild it because they did it wrong. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:17:39 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik I would love to do that too... even if they didn't listen to us, at least I'd get the satisfaction of being able to say I told you so when they release it and everyone complains about it being made wrong. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:07 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik I formally invite all vendors to tell me what they're thinking of making (NDA is fine) and I'll tell you what you need to change before you even start building it. I'll even rate them as Don't release it with(out) this feature, Would buy, but if it had X feature, I'd marry it and Meh. I'd like to think that I'm very good at telling you where you messed up, but that I will also help you work through it if afforded the opportunity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:03:39 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik It really does affect a lot of our vendors, but I would have to say MikroTik is the worst. They are really good at making products that are almost perfect, but then they screw up one or two things really badly. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:53 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik I'd say that problem afflicts many of our vendors, though MT and UBNT are at the top of the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:51:25 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik you know that's the weird thing about Mikrotik. As much as i love their gear, it seems like they have a bad habit of producting *almost* the right product. *From:* Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Oh, I didn't know that. Then yes, pitch the 850. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS … *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett via Af *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 30. Oktober
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/RTW-7%20(Assembly).pdf Would this be a better solution than a single vertical so I have something to affix the strut to? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:06 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our wall mounting option for the 4' antenna is limited to the 25g we ran up the side, the antenna will actually be 75 feet up the wall from the first platform I dont think unless we installed a standing platform we would be able to adjust the antenna. I think Im calculating right, its going to take 500lbs ballast if I used a PRM4, but the lead time on those exceeds our timeline so Im looking at the sitepro tripods. We are kind of limited to the non penetrating solution because with that we dont have to have a mother may I in place A penetrating mount we will, and if a board member says structural analysis we are shut down on time. So we are limited to horizontal surface mounts We can get away with small concrete anchors, but we are talking 3/8 x 3 and I just dont see that that would be safe. Where would I look to find the penetrating mount anchoring requirements, I see ballast charts all over, but no anchoring specs. On another note, Ive never dealt with 4' antennas before, apparently this has a strut. How do I attach a strut if I only have the single vertical mast? On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote: At the risk of getting my testicals chopped off, I’d recommend wall mounting if you can. SBWM-412 from Sitepro is $150 and the HWK58 for mounting is ~$30. Throw in 6’ 0f 4-1/2” pipe for $160 and your looking at a solid mount for $340 that takes less time to install then it would take to lug the concrete up to secure a non-pen with a 4-1/2” pipe on it. If you need to use a non-pen, Id use: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TRPD-HD%20(Assembly).pdf with a 4-1/2” pipe. Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That has got to be one of the best e-mails I have read in a long time :-) Commscope makes a nice option for a large non-pen mast – but I’d steer away from anything with less than a 4” OD mast for a 4ft antenna. Rohn makes a similar one, and Baird has a few options. image001.jpg *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:25 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com ]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics to it) We have the option to plow through the wall with plates, but if we go to that expenses we might as well go to a full non pen for a 4 antenna at the top. Any advice on a non pen mount that can support a 4 parabolic? This side we can do pretty much whatever, but still want the smallest footprint. The other side, for non pen, our partner claims to have an 8' x 8' footprint mount, the best I ever specced was 10x10 so Im suspiscious. Both sites are grain elevators. Im looking for the minimum grounding to achieve a respectable level of protection. If you send me an NEC link, you have no value to me, Im not asking because I already know the NEC spec and just want to brag about my testicles. I just want a rough Idea of what it would take to get to a point where with factory spec installation of
[AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
Not in my opinion. Having the mast in the center gives it the same stability from all win directions. If a big wind is coming from behind this might be more tippy. Besides, you only need to use one mast. You can also build almost anything you want out of unistrut. bp On 10/30/2014 11:10 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/RTW-7%20(Assembly).pdf http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/RTW-7%20%28Assembly%29.pdf Would this be a better solution than a single vertical so I have something to affix the strut to? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:06 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Our wall mounting option for the 4' antenna is limited to the 25g we ran up the side, the antenna will actually be 75 feet up the wall from the first platform I dont think unless we installed a standing platform we would be able to adjust the antenna. I think Im calculating right, its going to take 500lbs ballast if I used a PRM4, but the lead time on those exceeds our timeline so Im looking at the sitepro tripods. We are kind of limited to the non penetrating solution because with that we dont have to have a mother may I in place A penetrating mount we will, and if a board member says structural analysis we are shut down on time. So we are limited to horizontal surface mounts We can get away with small concrete anchors, but we are talking 3/8 x 3 and I just dont see that that would be safe. Where would I look to find the penetrating mount anchoring requirements, I see ballast charts all over, but no anchoring specs. On another note, Ive never dealt with 4' antennas before, apparently this has a strut. How do I attach a strut if I only have the single vertical mast? On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: At the risk of getting my testicals chopped off, I’d recommend wall mounting if you can. SBWM-412 from Sitepro is $150 and the HWK58 for mounting is ~$30. Throw in 6’ 0f 4-1/2” pipe for $160 and your looking at a solid mount for $340 that takes less time to install then it would take to lug the concrete up to secure a non-pen with a 4-1/2” pipe on it. If you need to use a non-pen, Id use: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TRPD-HD%20(Assembly).pdf http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TRPD-HD%20%28Assembly%29.pdf with a 4-1/2” pipe. Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 tel:%28410%29%20637-3707 On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: That has got to be one of the best e-mails I have read in a long time :-) Commscope makes a nice option for a large non-pen mast – but I’d steer away from anything with less than a 4” OD mast for a 4ft antenna. Rohn makes a similar one, and Baird has a few options. image001.jpg *Daniel White* | Managing Director */SAF North America LLC/**//* ** *Cell:*** (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 *Skype:*** danieldwhite *E-mail:*** daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com__ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*That One Guy via Af *Sent:*Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:25 AM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*[AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com mailto:jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him.
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
amen brother! Preach it!! On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
I can put the pipe on the opposing side so the antenna sits above the ballast. Are you saying maybe build a unistrut arm to affix the stabilizer strut to on a tripod mount? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Not in my opinion. Having the mast in the center gives it the same stability from all win directions. If a big wind is coming from behind this might be more tippy. Besides, you only need to use one mast. You can also build almost anything you want out of unistrut. bp On 10/30/2014 11:10 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/RTW-7%20(Assembly).pdf http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/RTW-7%20%28Assembly%29.pdf Would this be a better solution than a single vertical so I have something to affix the strut to? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:06 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our wall mounting option for the 4' antenna is limited to the 25g we ran up the side, the antenna will actually be 75 feet up the wall from the first platform I dont think unless we installed a standing platform we would be able to adjust the antenna. I think Im calculating right, its going to take 500lbs ballast if I used a PRM4, but the lead time on those exceeds our timeline so Im looking at the sitepro tripods. We are kind of limited to the non penetrating solution because with that we dont have to have a mother may I in place A penetrating mount we will, and if a board member says structural analysis we are shut down on time. So we are limited to horizontal surface mounts We can get away with small concrete anchors, but we are talking 3/8 x 3 and I just dont see that that would be safe. Where would I look to find the penetrating mount anchoring requirements, I see ballast charts all over, but no anchoring specs. On another note, Ive never dealt with 4' antennas before, apparently this has a strut. How do I attach a strut if I only have the single vertical mast? On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote: At the risk of getting my testicals chopped off, I’d recommend wall mounting if you can. SBWM-412 from Sitepro is $150 and the HWK58 for mounting is ~$30. Throw in 6’ 0f 4-1/2” pipe for $160 and your looking at a solid mount for $340 that takes less time to install then it would take to lug the concrete up to secure a non-pen with a 4-1/2” pipe on it. If you need to use a non-pen, Id use: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TRPD-HD%20(Assembly).pdf http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TRPD-HD%20%28Assembly%29.pdf with a 4-1/2” pipe. Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 %28410%29%20637-3707 On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That has got to be one of the best e-mails I have read in a long time :-) Commscope makes a nice option for a large non-pen mast – but I’d steer away from anything with less than a 4” OD mast for a 4ft antenna. Rohn makes a similar one, and Baird has a few options. image001.jpg *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 %28303%29%20746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:25 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com ]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
ePMP has a lot of what you’re asking for, 320 line had some too. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo
Yeah, Motorola Mobility. Old news. Motorola changed its name to Motorola Solutions while selling off pieces. On 10/30/2014 1:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1860 Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
That's a first step. To not repeat myself too much, I'll have more guts in my response to Ben Royer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ben Moore via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:55:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters Hey Mike - So you want something with total airtime, actual capacity in both directions and airtime distribution per CPE ? Thanks, Ben On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
I haven't spent a lot of time on the interface yet, but what I've seen is a good first step. % Frame Utilization. Okay, now within that say 73% utilization, how much is in, how much is out, how much is MCS0 how much is MCS15, how much is spent retransmitting things you already sent, etc.? Basically give me the tools to determine why the system isn't performing as expected instead of just me saying, This radio sucks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:42:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters ePMP has a lot of what you’re asking for, 320 line had some too. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo
Very sad. That's what happens sometimes when you turn the company over to junior. Now that IBM has sold off their hardware businesses, they aren't even a technology company any longer. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo Yeah, Motorola Mobility. Old news. Motorola changed its name to Motorola Solutions while selling off pieces. On 10/30/2014 1:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1860 � Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az.� 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net �
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
I guess sort of like NTOP, but for the radio interface. The Ethernet interface will tell you how many bits/s you're passing, but NTOP tells you how much is TCP and how much is UDP. How much is unicast, multicast, broadcast. How much is small packets, medium packets, large packets. How much is DNS, HTTP, FTP, SMTP, etc. Take all of that... and apply it to the radio world. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I haven't spent a lot of time on the interface yet, but what I've seen is a good first step. % Frame Utilization. Okay, now within that say 73% utilization, how much is in, how much is out, how much is MCS0 how much is MCS15, how much is spent retransmitting things you already sent, etc.? Basically give me the tools to determine why the system isn't performing as expected instead of just me saying, This radio sucks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:42:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters ePMP has a lot of what you’re asking for, 320 line had some too. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
So, I had a suspicion about some TDMA stuff that I was talking to other people in Vegas about... I just got an email from someone to confirm my hypothesis. So if you define the time it takes to poll all clients in a TDMA system as 1 round, and you know that the longer the round is, the more total throughput but higher latency you have, you can already make some decent decisions off of that. Another metric that would be nice to have, is actually how long each client is being polled- either in actual time measurement, or as a percentage of total round time. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 10:55 AM, Ben Moore via Af wrote: Hey Mike - So you want something with total airtime, actual capacity in both directions and airtime distribution per CPE ? Thanks, Ben On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
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Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
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Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo
Yeah, this happened a while back. Funny that Motorola didn't release their Nexus phone until after the sale to Lenovo. Maybe Google thought it would piss off other phone manufacturers. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1860 Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo
I thought they just sold off the PC end of things and were still doing servers / business related tech? No? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Very sad. That’s what happens sometimes when you turn the company over to junior. Now that IBM has sold off their hardware businesses, they aren’t even a technology company any longer. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo Yeah, Motorola Mobility. Old news. Motorola changed its name to Motorola Solutions while selling off pieces. On 10/30/2014 1:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1860 � Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az.� 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net �
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
So you want something with total airtime, actual capacity in both directions and airtime distribution per CPE ? A total air time utilization sounds great. Between 0 - 100 percent utilization upstream and downstream. Would likely not cause that much additional load on the AP either. Currently to check if I have any backhauls congested I ping every AP in the system and graph the result with MRTG at 5 minute intervals. This is among graphing many other things. Graphing air time utilization would give a much better handle on AP utilization. I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it.
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
This is not quite right. TDMA Protocols like NV2 and Airmax are CPU limited. - GENIAS INTERNET -- http://www.genias.net www.genias.net -- Stefan Englhardt Email: mailto:s...@genias.net s...@genias.net Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Regensburg Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9 Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:09 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). http://127.0.0.1:58274/service/home/%7E/?auth=coid=1de3965e-b725-4c61-b23b-9b05aabb2124:31900part=2.2 bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
The CPU usage doesn't tell you RF congestion, retransmits, etc. It just tells you how busy the CPU is. If you're running NV2 on an A card in an RB800, your CPU is going to be low, but your radio is going to be very busy and yet not including that information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:19:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters This is not quite right. TDMA Protocols like NV2 and Airmax are CPU limited. - GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net -- Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Regensburg Tel: +49 941 942798-0 Fax: +49 941 942798-9 Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:09 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information
Wow, so this is for real? It reads like something you might see in the Onion. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI only. We got hit with a bunch of this stuff. *From:* Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:40 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information Are they taking donations for the legal fight or are you just keeping us informed? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:34 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information *From: *amanda.j.sny...@hushmail.com *Sent: *10/30/2014 7:31 AM *Subject: *Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information *THIS MESSAGE PERTAINS TO SUBPOENAS THAT WERE ISSUED TO YOUR COMPANY BY RIGHTSCORP, INC.* *PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO YOUR ATTORNEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, OR HEAD OF BUSINESS.* Good Day: You are receiving this message because subpoenas were issued by Rightscorp, Inc. (“Rightscorp”) to your company in 2014. Among other things the subpoenas your company received were seeking personal identifying information of your subscribers including names, addresses, telephone numbers, and email address. Your company has been specifically targeted by Rightscorp because you are a small regional ISP. This year alone, Rightscorp has filed approximately 100 miscellaneous actions trying to force small regional ISPs to disclose personal subscriber information for the purposes of obtaining cash settlements from the aforementioned subscribers. Rightscorp strategy is to target small businesses like your in hopes that you will not be aware of the proper legal procedures, involve an attorney, or file a motion to quash the subpoena. The actions of Rightscorp, including its attorneys and owners is in blatant violation of the rules of civil procedure. This year two ISPs, Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC, have filed motions to quash the subpoenas, including motions for attorney’s fees and sanctions against Rightscorp. As a small ISP with limited resources its important for you to know that Rightscorp is specifically targeting you, not big players such as Comcast, Verizon, ATT, WOW, and TWC, and that any time Rightscorp has been challenged they have have retracted the subpoenas immediately. Attached to the message you will find two documents filed in Federal Court in response to Rightscorp. One by Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC. These documents can be used as templates and reference points by your attorney in crafting a response or you can contact the attorneys representing Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and Grande Communications Networks LLC directly with the contact details provided herein. Its important for small ISPs to stick together and share information related to these improper Rightscorp cases. Attorney D. Lee Clayton Swift, Currie, McGhee Hiers, LLP 1355 Peachtree Street, NE, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30309 Phone: 404-888-6168 Fax: 404-888-6199 lee.clay...@swiftcurrie.com Attorney Charles M. Salmon Locke Lord LLP 600 Congress, Suite 2200 Austin, Texas 78701 Phone: 512-305-4722 Fax: 512-391-4719 csal...@lockelord.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information
Doh, OK, on second read I get it, that was from someone else commenting on the subpoenas. I thought it was from Rightscorp, ha. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Wow, so this is for real? It reads like something you might see in the Onion. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI only. We got hit with a bunch of this stuff. *From:* Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:40 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information Are they taking donations for the legal fight or are you just keeping us informed? Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:34 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information *From: *amanda.j.sny...@hushmail.com *Sent: *10/30/2014 7:31 AM *Subject: *Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information *THIS MESSAGE PERTAINS TO SUBPOENAS THAT WERE ISSUED TO YOUR COMPANY BY RIGHTSCORP, INC.* *PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO YOUR ATTORNEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, OR HEAD OF BUSINESS.* Good Day: You are receiving this message because subpoenas were issued by Rightscorp, Inc. (“Rightscorp”) to your company in 2014. Among other things the subpoenas your company received were seeking personal identifying information of your subscribers including names, addresses, telephone numbers, and email address. Your company has been specifically targeted by Rightscorp because you are a small regional ISP. This year alone, Rightscorp has filed approximately 100 miscellaneous actions trying to force small regional ISPs to disclose personal subscriber information for the purposes of obtaining cash settlements from the aforementioned subscribers. Rightscorp strategy is to target small businesses like your in hopes that you will not be aware of the proper legal procedures, involve an attorney, or file a motion to quash the subpoena. The actions of Rightscorp, including its attorneys and owners is in blatant violation of the rules of civil procedure. This year two ISPs, Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC, have filed motions to quash the subpoenas, including motions for attorney’s fees and sanctions against Rightscorp. As a small ISP with limited resources its important for you to know that Rightscorp is specifically targeting you, not big players such as Comcast, Verizon, ATT, WOW, and TWC, and that any time Rightscorp has been challenged they have have retracted the subpoenas immediately. Attached to the message you will find two documents filed in Federal Court in response to Rightscorp. One by Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC. These documents can be used as templates and reference points by your attorney in crafting a response or you can contact the attorneys representing Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and Grande Communications Networks LLC directly with the contact details provided herein. Its important for small ISPs to stick together and share information related to these improper Rightscorp cases. Attorney D. Lee Clayton Swift, Currie, McGhee Hiers, LLP 1355 Peachtree Street, NE, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30309 Phone: 404-888-6168 Fax: 404-888-6199 lee.clay...@swiftcurrie.com Attorney Charles M. Salmon Locke Lord LLP 600 Congress, Suite 2200 Austin, Texas 78701 Phone: 512-305-4722 Fax: 512-391-4719 csal...@lockelord.com
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
SoftIRQ % is a pretty good indicator of how busy the radio is. You can see that in top on the radio. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 11:09 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
.a has only 54Mbit/s Phy rate. RB800 is quite powerful. With N/AC you see a lot more cpu work. With TDMA protocol the cpu has to work in fixed cycles with low latency. So if it is busy while it has to send the next map for the cpes at an exact timing the whole sector suffers. So the cpu should stay at a low level to keep the protocol running. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:22 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters The CPU usage doesn't tell you RF congestion, retransmits, etc. It just tells you how busy the CPU is. If you're running NV2 on an A card in an RB800, your CPU is going to be low, but your radio is going to be very busy and yet not including that information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:19:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters This is not quite right. TDMA Protocols like NV2 and Airmax are CPU limited. - GENIAS INTERNET -- http://www.genias.net www.genias.net -- Stefan Englhardt Email: mailto:s...@genias.net s...@genias.net Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Regensburg Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9 Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:09 An: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). http://127.0.0.1:58274/service/home/%7E/?auth=coid=1de3965e-b725-4c61-b23b-9b05aabb2124:31900part=2.2 bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
*nods* but you just see *THAT* the radio is busy, not *WHY* the radio is busy. Some of the vendors have sent things on-list and offlist on both AFMUG and WISPA examples of things they either do or have in the works. I don't think I've yet seen exactly what I want (maybe EVERYTHING I want is too resource intensive), but I've seen some big steps in that regard. Definitely some pretty pictures representing some really useful information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:30:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters SoftIRQ % is a pretty good indica tor of how busy the radio is. You can see that in top on the radio. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 11:09 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: blockquote I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
You're missing the point. I want to know what the air interface is doing. It may be completely stopped up by retransmissions or bad clients, yet that isn't easily seen by other means (CPU usage, IRQ usage, throughput, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:33:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters .a has only 54Mbit/s Phy rate. RB800 is quite powerful. With N/AC you see a lot more cpu work. With TDMA protocol the cpu has to work in fixed cycles with low latency. So if it is busy while it has to send the next map for the cpes at an exact timing the whole sector suffers. So the cpu should stay at a low level to keep the protocol running. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:22 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters The CPU usage doesn't tell you RF congestion, retransmits, etc. It just tells you how busy the CPU is. If you're running NV2 on an A card in an RB800, your CPU is going to be low, but your radio is going to be very busy and yet not including that information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:19:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters This is not quite right. TDMA Protocols like NV2 and Airmax are CPU limited. - GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net -- Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Regensburg Tel: +49 941 942798-0 Fax: +49 941 942798-9 Von: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:09 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information
The letter is somewhat humorous, and really seems to me like more a veiled advertisement for legal services, but the cases are real. However, what was done in the two cases isn’t particularly novel, new, noteworthy, or special. Actions to quash third party subpoenas are actually very common in state and federal courts and frequently successful when the subpoena is overbroad or otherwise improper, like the ones here. It’s not a particularly expensive process. It’s pretty routine. The key is this: if you get a subpoena, don’t ignore it! Get it into the hands of legal counsel as soon as possible. Even if it is obviously overbroad or improper, you may waive any arguments to contest it if you ignore it! Doug From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information Wow, so this is for real? It reads like something you might see in the Onion. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: FYI only. We got hit with a bunch of this stuff. From: Rory Conaway via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information Are they taking donations for the legal fight or are you just keeping us informed? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information From: amanda.j.sny...@hushmail.commailto:amanda.j.sny...@hushmail.com Sent: 10/30/2014 7:31 AM Subject: Rightscorp Subpoenas, Important Information THIS MESSAGE PERTAINS TO SUBPOENAS THAT WERE ISSUED TO YOUR COMPANY BY RIGHTSCORP, INC. PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO YOUR ATTORNEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, OR HEAD OF BUSINESS. Good Day: You are receiving this message because subpoenas were issued by Rightscorp, Inc. (“Rightscorp”) to your company in 2014. Among other things the subpoenas your company received were seeking personal identifying information of your subscribers including names, addresses, telephone numbers, and email address. Your company has been specifically targeted by Rightscorp because you are a small regional ISP. This year alone, Rightscorp has filed approximately 100 miscellaneous actions trying to force small regional ISPs to disclose personal subscriber information for the purposes of obtaining cash settlements from the aforementioned subscribers. Rightscorp strategy is to target small businesses like your in hopes that you will not be aware of the proper legal procedures, involve an attorney, or file a motion to quash the subpoena. The actions of Rightscorp, including its attorneys and owners is in blatant violation of the rules of civil procedure. This year two ISPs, Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC, have filed motions to quash the subpoenas, including motions for attorney’s fees and sanctions against Rightscorp. As a small ISP with limited resources its important for you to know that Rightscorp is specifically targeting you, not big players such as Comcast, Verizon, ATT, WOW, and TWC, and that any time Rightscorp has been challenged they have have retracted the subpoenas immediately. Attached to the message you will find two documents filed in Federal Court in response to Rightscorp. One by Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and one by Grande Communications Networks LLC. These documents can be used as templates and reference points by your attorney in crafting a response or you can contact the attorneys representing Birch Communications Inc. f/k/a CBeyond Communications LLC and Grande Communications Networks LLC directly with the contact details provided herein. Its important for small ISPs to stick together and share information related to these improper Rightscorp cases. Attorney D. Lee Clayton Swift, Currie, McGhee Hiers, LLP 1355 Peachtree Street, NE, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30309 Phone: 404-888-6168tel:404-888-6168 Fax: 404-888-6199tel:404-888-6199 lee.clay...@swiftcurrie.commailto:lee.clay...@swiftcurrie.com Attorney Charles M. Salmon Locke Lord LLP 600 Congress, Suite 2200 Austin, Texas 78701 Phone: 512-305-4722tel:512-305-4722 Fax: 512-391-4719tel:512-391-4719 csal...@lockelord.commailto:csal...@lockelord.com Doug Hass Associate 312.786.6502 Franczek Radelet P.C. Celebrating 20 Years | 1994-2014 300 South Wacker Drive Suite 3400 Chicago, IL 60606 312.986.0300 - Main 312.986.9192 - Fax www.franczek.com Circular 230 Disclosure: Under requirements imposed by the Internal Revenue Service, we inform you that, unless specifically stated otherwise, any federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
I don't care what you want as long as I have what I want. :-p Generally the things I'm asking for, everyone would want. They're features to improve the product, not a personalization. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:01:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Then it will work for you, but not for me (maybe). Nobody likes my color themes either. bp On 10/30/2014 10:07 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I formally invite all vendors to tell me what they're thinking of making (NDA is fine) and I'll tell you what you need to change before you even start building it. I'll even rate them as Don't release it with(out) this feature, Would buy, but if it had X feature, I'd marry it and Meh. I'd like to think that I'm very good at telling you where you messed up, but that I will also help you work through it if afforded the opportunity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:03:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik It really does affect a lot of our vendors, but I would have to say MikroTik is the worst. They are really good at making products that are almost perfect, but then they screw up one or two things really badly. From: Af [ af-boun...@afmug.com ] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [ af@afmug.com ] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik I'd say that problem afflicts many of our vendors, though MT and UBNT are at the top of the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:51:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik you know that's the weird thing about Mikrotik. As much as i love their gear, it seems like they have a bad habit of producting *almost* the right product. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports. From: Af [ af-boun...@afmug.com ] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [ af@afmug.com ] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Oh, I didn't know that. Then yes, pitch the 850. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS … Von: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit. I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole stack of them to get around that. From: Af [ af-boun...@afmug.com ] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [ af@afmug.com ] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !! From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: blockquote Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them )..� For DC input up to 30Volts or even
Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.
You are the value alternative :-) I would probably double the bill sign them to a new three year agreement, and get some some $$ for installation. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: There might be another wireless provider that could get them hooked up, but I couldn't speculate who. They have a very narrow window through their trees to a tiny section of the valley. The other option would be running fiber up from the valley. Where they're at, it would be an approximate 15 mile fiber run. How much is that? bp On 10/30/2014 12:12 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af wrote: What are their alternatives Bill? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am using an RB2011 as a VPLS NID to provide 100meg DIA to a customer. It works great. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 05:56 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: We do similar and if the customer doesnt have these things at the termination point we offer a lease or purchase for the extended equipment. I still cant get away from Mikrotiks CCR routers instead of the latter. On 10/29/2014 7:29 PM, Paul Stewart via Af wrote: That pricing is similar to what we charge when using PTP600 directly back to a fiber fed hub site. At the customer site, we install an APC 1500 UPS (with SNMP management) and a Juniper SRX router - fully managed and monitored from NOC. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:00 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. Base Price: 1yr Contract: $1980/mo 2yr Contract: $1870/mo 3yr Contract: $1760/mo We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end up giving customers 20-30% off to make a deal. DIA services are always negotiable. Sometimes we have to add to them to deal with all the upgrades necessary to get to the customer. Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is usually not a big deal. Licensed link could be the cost of the link spread over term of contract. You also have to consider what it takes from your backbone to deliver that. How many sites from your upstream is it? Do you need to charge enough to cover future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What about upgrades to UPSes in the path? Just some things to consider. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: No Comcast here. No ATT here. Others as well. Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1 in this location would be ~~ $500 per month. There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited. bp On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at that rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent ComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Bill Prince via Afaf@afmug.com *To: *Motorola IIIaf@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out of the question. I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives. -- bp --
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
This. Say my AP can do ten megs/second of downlink to clients. My throughput chart is flatlined at 6 mb/s. Why? Is it because some of the clients are in lower modulations, and using more timeslots to move a given amount of data than they should? Is it that the radio is doing lots of retransmitting? If so, who? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You're missing the point. I want to know what the air interface is doing. It may be completely stopped up by retransmissions or bad clients, yet that isn't easily seen by other means (CPU usage, IRQ usage, throughput, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:33:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters .a has only 54Mbit/s Phy rate. RB800 is quite powerful. With N/AC you see a lot more cpu work. With TDMA protocol the cpu has to work in fixed cycles with low latency. So if it is busy while it has to send the next map for the cpes at an exact timing the whole sector suffers. So the cpu should stay at a low level to keep the protocol running. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:22 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters The CPU usage doesn't tell you RF congestion, retransmits, etc. It just tells you how busy the CPU is. If you're running NV2 on an A card in an RB800, your CPU is going to be low, but your radio is going to be very busy and yet not including that information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:19:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters This is not quite right. TDMA Protocols like NV2 and Airmax are CPU limited. - GENIAS INTERNET -- http://www.genias.net www.genias.net -- Stefan Englhardt Email: mailto:s...@genias.net s...@genias.net Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Regensburg Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9 Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:09 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). http://127.0.0.1:58274/service/home/%7E/?auth=coid=1de3965e-b725-4c61-b23b-9b05aabb2124:31900part=2.2 bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.
No. There is no good reason to run fiber through here. It's not on the way to anywhere. bp On 10/30/2014 1:01 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: The LEC and MSO don't have fiber anywhere near there? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:57:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. There might be another wireless provider that could get them hooked up, but I couldn't speculate who. They have a very narrow window through their trees to a tiny section of the valley. The other option would be running fiber up from the valley. Where they're at, it would be an approximate 15 mile fiber run. How much is that? bp On 10/30/2014 12:12 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af wrote: What are their alternatives Bill? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I am using an RB2011 as a VPLS NID to provide 100meg DIA to a customer. It works great. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 05:56 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: We do similar and if the customer doesnt have these things at the termination point we offer a lease or purchase for the extended equipment. I still cant get away from Mikrotiks CCR routers instead of the latter. On 10/29/2014 7:29 PM, Paul Stewart via Af wrote: That pricing is similar to what we charge when using PTP600 directly back to a fiber fed hub site. At the customer site, we install an APC 1500 UPS (with SNMP management) and a Juniper SRX router - fully managed and monitored from NOC. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:00 PM To:af@afmug.com mailto:to%3...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. Base Price: 1yr Contract: $1980/mo 2yr Contract: $1870/mo 3yr Contract: $1760/mo We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end up giving customers 20-30% off to make a deal. DIA services are always negotiable. Sometimes we have to add to them to deal with all the upgrades necessary to get to the customer. Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is usually not a big deal. Licensed link could be the cost of the link spread over term of contract. You also have to consider what it takes from your backbone to deliver that. How many sites from your upstream is it? Do you need to charge enough to cover future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What about upgrades to UPSes in the path? Just some things to consider. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: No Comcast here. No ATT here. Others as well. Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1 in this location would be ~~ $500 per month. There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited. bp On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at that rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radiomanufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
Yeah, I understand now what you’re asking. My point was the ePMP Wireless Performance tab has packet retransmission, MCS percentages, etc. on it, so as far as that is concerned you have it available to you now. Otherwise, the more detailed you go as you’re defining here, I feel the more load you put on the device, I could be wrong though. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radiomanufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I guess sort of like NTOP, but for the radio interface. The Ethernet interface will tell you how many bits/s you're passing, but NTOP tells you how much is TCP and how much is UDP. How much is unicast, multicast, broadcast. How much is small packets, medium packets, large packets. How much is DNS, HTTP, FTP, SMTP, etc. Take all of that... and apply it to the radio world. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers:Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I haven't spent a lot of time on the interface yet, but what I've seen is a good first step. % Frame Utilization. Okay, now within that say 73% utilization, how much is in, how much is out, how much is MCS0 how much is MCS15, how much is spent retransmitting things you already sent, etc.? Basically give me the tools to determine why the system isn't performing as expected instead of just me saying, This radio sucks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:42:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters ePMP has a lot of what you’re asking for, 320 line had some too. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for free/cheap 2.4 sectors/dishes for 2.3ghz amateur radio project
I believe I have a couple Colin if you have not already found some. On 10/24/2014 11:21 AM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: I'm with a group of hams using wifi gear (mostly ubnt) at 2.3ghz in a HSMM project (it's incredible how far you can go when there's no noise around!). We don't have a big budget so if anyone has 2.4ghz 60-120deg sectors or non-grid dishes (I've seen the grid ones accumulate ice up here) available cheap/free, please let me know and we can look at shipping.
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radiomanufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
Maybe I need to spend some more time on my ePMPs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radiomanufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters Yeah, I understand now what you’re asking. My point was the ePMP Wireless Performance tab has packet retransmission, MCS percentages, etc. on it, so as far as that is concerned you have it available to you now. Otherwise, the more detailed you go as you’re defining here, I feel the more load you put on the device, I could be wrong though. example Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radiomanufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I guess sort of like NTOP, but for the radio interface. The Ethernet interface will tell you how many bits/s you're passing, but NTOP tells you how much is TCP and how much is UDP. How much is unicast, multicast, broadcast. How much is small packets, medium packets, large packets. How much is DNS, HTTP, FTP, SMTP, etc. Take all of that... and apply it to the radio world. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I haven't spent a lot of time on the interface yet, but what I've seen is a good first step. % Frame Utilization. Okay, now within that say 73% utilization, how much is in, how much is out, how much is MCS0 how much is MCS15, how much is spent retransmitting things you already sent, etc.? Basically give me the tools to determine why the system isn't performing as expected instead of just me saying, This radio sucks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:42:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters ePMP has a lot of what you’re asking for, 320 line had some too. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
You can monitor TX/RX rates on both ends of all links now. That is a direct correlation to what the link is capable of. The only caveat is that when an 802.11 radio is telling you X, that the actual throughput it's capable of is more like 55% of X. I monitor all of these on all of our links, and when a link goes down to 80% of X then I know I have trouble in River City (or Black Rock if you prefer). bp On 10/30/2014 1:05 PM, Shayne Lebrun via Af wrote: This. Say my AP can do ten megs/second of downlink to clients. My throughput chart is flatlined at 6 mb/s. Why? Is it because some of the clients are in lower modulations, and using more timeslots to move a given amount of data than they should? Is it that the radio is doing lots of retransmitting? If so, who? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:40 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You're missing the point. I want to know what the air interface is doing. It may be completely stopped up by retransmissions or bad clients, yet that isn't easily seen by other means (CPU usage, IRQ usage, throughput, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:33:51 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radioutilization or duty cycle meters .a has only 54Mbit/s Phy rate. RB800 is quite powerful. With N/AC you see a lot more cpu work. With TDMA protocol the cpu has to work in fixed cycles with low latency. So if it is busy while it has to send the next map for the cpes at an exact timing the whole sector suffers. So the cpu should stay at a low level to keep the protocol running. *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett via Af *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:22 *An:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters The CPU usage doesn't tell you RF congestion, retransmits, etc. It just tells you how busy the CPU is. If you're running NV2 on an A card in an RB800, your CPU is going to be low, but your radio is going to be very busy and yet not including that information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:19:30 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radioutilization or duty cycle meters This is not quite right. TDMA Protocols like NV2 and Airmax are CPU limited. - GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net http://www.genias.net-- Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net mailto:s...@genias.net Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Regensburg Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9 *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett via Af *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:09 *An:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
Not enough detail. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:43:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can monitor TX/RX rates on both ends of all links now. That is a direct correlation to what the link is capable of. The only caveat is that when an 802.11 radio is telling you X, that the actual throughput it's capable of is more like 55% of X. I monitor all of these on all of our links, and when a link goes down to 80% of X then I know I have trouble in River City (or Black Rock if you prefer). bp On 10/30/2014 1:05 PM, Shayne Lebrun via Af wrote: This. Say my AP can do ten megs/second of downlink to clients. My throughput chart is flatlined at 6 mb/s. Why? Is it because some of the clients are in lower modulations, and using more timeslots to move a given amount of data than they should? Is it that the radio is doing lots of retransmitting? If so, who? From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You're missing the point. I want to know what the air interface is doing. It may be completely stopped up by retransmissions or bad clients, yet that isn't easily seen by other means (CPU usage, IRQ usage, throughput, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:33:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters .a has only 54Mbit/s Phy rate. RB800 is quite powerful. With N/AC you see a lot more cpu work. With TDMA protocol the cpu has to work in fixed cycles with low latency. So if it is busy while it has to send the next map for the cpes at an exact timing the whole sector suffers. So the cpu should stay at a low level to keep the protocol running. Von: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:22 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters The CPU usage doesn't tell you RF congestion, retransmits, etc. It just tells you how busy the CPU is. If you're running NV2 on an A card in an RB800, your CPU is going to be low, but your radio is going to be very busy and yet not including that information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:19:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters This is not quite right. TDMA Protocols like NV2 and Airmax are CPU limited. - GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net -- Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Regensburg Tel: +49 941 942798-0 Fax: +49 941 942798-9 Von: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:09 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: blockquote I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
All good TJ ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123 Test 1213 On Oct 30, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com wrote: Test 1211pm On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com wrote:
[AFMUG] Punch down
What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
He wants to have one number.. This AP based on the current number of clients and current activity has 20% of the overall airtime used. That means if all clients are the same, you can add 4x the number of clients and still have airtime free. Then on the flip side of that, based on the 20% usage, these two clients make up 10% of the airtime used and if you look, they will be at low data rates. Don’t even care to list anyone that don’t take up a good portion of the time, maybe that one client is at a high MCS but has a LARGE data package that they move a lot of data, in which case it would be fine. Lots of things would go into calculating this, overall throughput, and all clients at all MCS packages.. Assuming MCS 10 takes up twice as much airtime than MCS12, there is one variable (not saying it actually does take up twice but just a saying) .. The quality, or CCQ is just a number, ya its good to know ,but it really don’t say, you have xyz capacity left. Course putting one client at a bad MCS can drop that unused airtime down quite a bit, but that’s why we want to know what is taking up the % of airtime.. Comes down to two questions.. How much airtime is being used in both the last hour and last 24 hours? Is there a client that is taking up a disproportionate amount of airtime compared to other clients? Say give me the average airtime per client and the anyone who is over that? Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters Not enough detail. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:43:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can monitor TX/RX rates on both ends of all links now. That is a direct correlation to what the link is capable of. The only caveat is that when an 802.11 radio is telling you X, that the actual throughput it's capable of is more like 55% of X. I monitor all of these on all of our links, and when a link goes down to 80% of X then I know I have trouble in River City (or Black Rock if you prefer). bp On 10/30/2014 1:05 PM, Shayne Lebrun via Af wrote: This. Say my AP can do ten megs/second of downlink to clients. My throughput chart is flatlined at 6 mb/s. Why? Is it because some of the clients are in lower modulations, and using more timeslots to move a given amount of data than they should? Is it that the radio is doing lots of retransmitting? If so, who? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You're missing the point. I want to know what the air interface is doing. It may be completely stopped up by retransmissions or bad clients, yet that isn't easily seen by other means (CPU usage, IRQ usage, throughput, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:33:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters .a has only 54Mbit/s Phy rate. RB800 is quite powerful. With N/AC you see a lot more cpu work. With TDMA protocol the cpu has to work in fixed cycles with low latency. So if it is busy while it has to send the next map for the cpes at an exact timing the whole sector suffers. So the cpu should stay at a low level to keep the protocol running. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:22 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG]
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
F that. Wear and tear on CPEs. We don't use them, but many swear they will only let their installers use EZ-RJ45. If that's the case, I wouldn't want those people punching down radios. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
I second this request. The more details the better. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
I am not a fan. Especially in an environment where wind could move wires or there is vibration etc. And repeated punchdown wears out whatever the punchdown is attached to. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:11 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Punch down What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radioutilization or duty cycle meters
It did, but this version is much better. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:24:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radioutilization or duty cycle meters Not sure if my screen shot went through last time. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Ben Royer via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radioutilization or duty cycle meters ePMP has a lot of what you’re asking for, 320 line had some too. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
Wear and tear? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:18:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Punch down F that. Wear and tear on CPEs . We don't use them, but many swear they will only let their installers use EZ-RJ45. If that 's the case, I wouldn't want those people punching down radios. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
RJ45 is secured via locking clip. Punch-downs are secured strictly via friction. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:26 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Could that wind\vibration not knock out an RJ45? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:23:50 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Punch down I am not a fan. Especially in an environment where wind could move wires or there is vibration etc. And repeated punchdown wears out whatever the punchdown is attached to. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:11 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Punch down What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
I have never had that problem. If they are crimped right and you use the plug that matches the wire type they are pretty good. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Punch down Could that wind\vibration not knock out an RJ45? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:23:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Punch down I am not a fan. Especially in an environment where wind could move wires or there is vibration etc. And repeated punchdown wears out whatever the punchdown is attached to. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:11 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Punch down What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
A locking clip that doesn't work? It's not a major issue, but I have some that I can never get to stay in properly. You keep pushing the clip out bit by bit to get it to apply more force... then you snap the clip off. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:29:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Punch down RJ45 is secured via locking clip. Punch-downs are secured strictly via friction. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:26 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Could that wind\vibration not knock out an RJ45? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:23:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Punch down I am not a fan. Especially in an environment where wind could move wires or there is vibration etc. And repeated punchdown wears out whatever the punchdown is attached to. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:11 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Punch down What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
We don't have that issue *shrug* Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:33 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: A locking clip that doesn't work? It's not a major issue, but I have some that I can never get to stay in properly. You keep pushing the clip out bit by bit to get it to apply more force... then you snap the clip off. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:29:23 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Punch down RJ45 is secured via locking clip. Punch-downs are secured strictly via friction. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:26 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Could that wind\vibration not knock out an RJ45? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:23:50 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Punch down I am not a fan. Especially in an environment where wind could move wires or there is vibration etc. And repeated punchdown wears out whatever the punchdown is attached to. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:11 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Punch down What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] 13.2(Build 35) Open Beta
There still working on 1 bug only 1 company is seeing last I heard build 35 is the most stable firmware I've seen so I'm sure official will not be too much longer but probably faster if more would test build 35 on AP's to track down this 1 bug — Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Are we going to get 13.2 official this week?
Re: [AFMUG] 13.2(Build 35) Open Beta
Build 35 took care of the AP Ethernet hangup, which was the main one being worked during Wispapalooza. There will be a Build 36 put on Open Beta probably tomorrow in which we were able to fix for some of the old nagging rare and random crashes that have been seen in previous releases. Our current plan is to release next week. Regards, -Aaron From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 13.2(Build 35) Open Beta There still working on 1 bug only 1 company is seeing last I heard build 35 is the most stable firmware I've seen so I'm sure official will not be too much longer but probably faster if more would test build 35 on AP's to track down this 1 bug — Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Are we going to get 13.2 official this week?
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
Going from RJ45 to punchdown (110?) sounds like bad to worse. Neither was originally designed for an outdoor environment, but at least RJ45 is gold-on-gold and you can use dielectric grease, not sure what you use to protect a punchdown connection from moisture/corrosion/vibration. I wish the industry had standardized on something similar to a DisplayPort connector. There’s the M12 military style Industrial Ethernet connectors but not very practical especially if you have to terminate cables up on a tower, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen one in the wild. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Punch down A locking clip that doesn't work? It's not a major issue, but I have some that I can never get to stay in properly. You keep pushing the clip out bit by bit to get it to apply more force... then you snap the clip off. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:29:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Punch down RJ45 is secured via locking clip. Punch-downs are secured strictly via friction. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:26 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Could that wind\vibration not knock out an RJ45? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:23:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Punch down I am not a fan. Especially in an environment where wind could move wires or there is vibration etc. And repeated punchdown wears out whatever the punchdown is attached to. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:11 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Punch down What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
Yes, I think my email had some bounces and it automatically unsubscribed me, that's all I can come up with On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: All good TJ ? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123 Test 1213 On Oct 30, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Test 1211pm On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] 13.2(Build 35) Open Beta
Arron awesome to hear.. I have not tested this on build 35 but has the issue of the SM not showing a dropped link until a link capacity test due to there was no data flowing been addressed yet? If not can we get a sight survey mode that dose a continuas link capacity test at the same time showing you real time signal so we can properly install antenna's? Thanks, — Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Build 35 took care of the AP Ethernet hangup, which was the main one being worked during Wispapalooza. There will be a Build 36 put on Open Beta probably tomorrow in which we were able to fix for some of the old nagging rare and random crashes that have been seen in previous releases. Our current plan is to release next week. Regards, -Aaron From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 13.2(Build 35) Open Beta There still working on 1 bug only 1 company is seeing last I heard build 35 is the most stable firmware I've seen so I'm sure official will not be too much longer but probably faster if more would test build 35 on AP's to track down this 1 bug — Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Are we going to get 13.2 official this week?
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
Punch downs are only good for a relatively limited number of cycles (way less than an RJ45). So punch downs are good when you expect the connection to be good for the duration (like usually years). If you expect to make/break the connection a few times, you would not use a punch down. bp On 10/30/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Wear and tear? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:18:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Punch down F that. Wear and tear on CPEs. We don't use them, but many swear they will only let their installers use EZ-RJ45. If that's the case, I wouldn't want those people punching down radios. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
Like 1 cycle. From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Punch down Punch downs are only good for a relatively limited number of cycles (way less than an RJ45). So punch downs are good when you expect the connection to be good for the duration (like usually years). If you expect to make/break the connection a few times, you would not use a punch down. bpOn 10/30/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Wear and tear? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:18:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Punch down F that. Wear and tear on CPEs. We don't use them, but many swear they will only let their installers use EZ-RJ45. If that's the case, I wouldn't want those people punching down radios. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] 13.2(Build 35) Open Beta
Aaron, I submitted a sessions status page bug on the beta forum but never saw any reply??? On Thursday, October 30, 2014, Aaron Schneider via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Build 35 took care of the AP Ethernet hangup, which was the main one being worked during Wispapalooza. There will be a Build 36 put on Open Beta probably tomorrow in which we were able to fix for some of the old nagging rare and random crashes that have been seen in previous releases. Our current plan is to release next week. Regards, -Aaron *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *timothy steele via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Cc:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 13.2(Build 35) Open Beta There still working on 1 bug only 1 company is seeing last I heard build 35 is the most stable firmware I've seen so I'm sure official will not be too much longer but probably faster if more would test build 35 on AP's to track down this 1 bug — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Are we going to get 13.2 official this week?
Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo
IBM still in tech they are working on a new hard drive that is smaller then a SSD and will never die — Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Very sad. That's what happens sometimes when you turn the company over to junior. Now that IBM has sold off their hardware businesses, they aren't even a technology company any longer. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo Yeah, Motorola Mobility. Old news. Motorola changed its name to Motorola Solutions while selling off pieces. On 10/30/2014 1:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1860 � Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az.� 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net �
