Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
Hi Bill Thank you so much for the reply. 1. So basically you enable the DMZ and put the router on that IP and then cascade any further routers ? 2. Have you used the Unifi at large client houses where they require better coverage and they need Zero-Handoff ? Are there any know issues you have come across ? I have read there are issues with VOIP (we use a switch and Linksys PAP2T normally for VOIP) Or do you use something else rather than Unifi ? Kind regards Kay RioSat SL -- Original Message -- From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 06-Nov-14 17:18:08 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses Absolutely put a router in there instead of the switch. Especially if they have any Apple devices (iphones, airports, Mac computers). They have a nasty habit of opening connections, and never closing them. I have watched them fill the NAT table in less than a half hour. So if you are using NAT, at least limit directly-connected devices to a single router on the DMZ. This will bypass the NAT table entirely. Alternatively, switch the SM to bridge mode and put in a Mikrotik to manage the internal network. We do this on selected accounts, and maintain the Mikrotik from our NOC. bpOn 11/6/2014 12:53 AM, RioSat SL via Af wrote: Hi All When we have a large house and using PMP100 in nat mode we tend to put in a switch and then just cable routers to the switch giving each router a different static IP on the WAN and then DHCP on the lan normally with a different SSID and different channel but I have seen other articles where the set up is as cascading routers - what would you all recommend, should we change the way we are doing it ? Kind regards Kay -- Original Message -- From: Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: 06-Nov-14 03:35:59 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses Yep. I saw it as well. Common in South America Jaime Solorza On Nov 5, 2014 7:16 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: sarcastic comment on how that would require an air device to have a working NMS/controller On Wednesday, November 5, 2014, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If it is made by UBNT, then it would be the AirMeter. bp On 11/5/2014 1:43 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote: Hmmm, Chuck M is showing a lot of interest in smart meters. I'm calling it right now: UniMeter. Cloud-based 900Mhz meshed smart meters. I'll license you the use of that name for a nominal fee. On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com wrote: In fact...the smart grid can help eliminate rolling brownouts/blackouts by carefully managing the power delivered to customers on the end of the lines by controlling the delivered voltage. Basically, these meters give power companies the ability to measure the voltage delivered to meet the minimum requirements at the end of each feed... Substation transformers can then be set to deliver lower voltage (= lower power usage) thus avoiding brownouts...of course, load control (turning off your A/C) doesn't hurt either. Pre-smart grid, the main way the power company knew about lines going down (storms, trees, etc) was when they got a phone call. These meters will tell them where they have issues so they can route around much much much faster; other parts of the smart grid can allow power to be rerouted from a control panel rather than a power company truck and a guy with an insulated stick throwing a switch in the rain. It is a fascinating topic... Chuck On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The smartgrid does have the benefit off allowing essential services to stay up in the event of rolling black/brownouts I watched a PBS show about the power situation over in India or one of those places, its crazy, people steal power left and right just tying onto the wires. The transformers are always catching fire and people dump water on them. As much as I hate US power companies, I cant imagine living over there. Linemen get beat up alot You could tell the show was geared at it being a humanitarian issue, these poor people losing their power... how will they survive, but the majority of the background images were of people powering consumer electronics... not a justifiable theft IMHO... I did not know TV was a basic human right On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Smart meters certainly can shut you off remotely. That is a huge safety benefit to the power companies - it turns out that turning the power off to a customer that has not paid their bill is not always a pleasant experience. Chuck On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: From ComEd smartmeter FAQ: Smart meters for residential customers will have remote switching capabilities that can be used when a customer closes an account, then reconnects when the customer starts a new
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router. I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider side. I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for their side of their network. If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc. What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if their provider is the network issue, or their router. I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers Sm on the side of the house Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you already have a CPE/ONT device at their house/building? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Customer routers Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or business or just let them do their own ? Sent from my iPhone -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?
Feel free to contact me to get set up to purchase the Xclaim product. Thanks, Mark Chamerlik WAV®, Inc Strategic Account Manager 630-818-1004 Direct 630-818-4452 Fax 800-678-2419 X 1004 Toll Free ma...@wavonline.commailto:ma...@wavonline.com (OR URGENT NEEDS TO tea...@wavonline.commailto:tea...@wavonline.com) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? Thanks. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl via Af Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 9:52 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? Wav online is the only distributor as of now from what they told me when I signed up to be a reseller. And yes it is 20% off retail with no volume commitment. On Sunday, November 9, 2014, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What distributor carries them on the West Coast? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,apos;cvmlapos;,apos;af-boun...@afmug.comapos;);] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:41 PM To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,apos;cvmlapos;,apos;af@afmug.comapos;); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? Thanks. I’m shocked that you can get an additional 20% it and I didn’t realize it had a distribution channel. I assumed at that price point it was direct. It would need at least a windows or cloud support for us to use it though. Setting up a VPN tunnel wouldn’t be a problem but managing a few hundred from a phone, not the best option. The thing that shocked me was the outdoor unit cost for 802.11AC. $200 less than Ubiquiti and as you suggest, a 20% discount, that’s huge. I’m also very interested in the dual-band indoor, especially at $120. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,apos;cvmlapos;,apos;af-boun...@afmug.comapos;);] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl via Af Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:31 PM To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,apos;cvmlapos;,apos;af@afmug.comapos;); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? I have one at home to play with. I generally like it but for now you can only support and manage it with an Android or iOS app with no cloud support... yet. They say it is coming so we can manage multi-site and remotely like UniFi but for now you have to be on the layer2 network with the AP's to configure them. Performance seems similar to UniFi but there are added improvements like auto channel scan and band steering and some QOS built-in. There is very little that can be configured yet. You can select channel but not channel size and the auto channel selection has caused a few issues with packet loss while the channels change but once it scans the entire band, it is very stable. We get 20% off by buying through a reseller so followup with Xclaim on who their preferred distributor is. On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,apos;cvmlapos;,apos;af@afmug.comapos;); wrote: Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products. Hard to believe someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is there, I sense a war coming. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542tel:602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,apos;cvmlapos;,apos;r...@triadwireless.netapos;); www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.comhttp://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi [http://www.snoitulosten.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/facebook-small.jpg]http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.comhttp://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi [http://www.snoitulosten.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/facebook-small.jpg]http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-818-1000.
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router. I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider side. I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for their side of their network. If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc. What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if their provider is the network issue, or their router. I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers Sm on the side of the house Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you already have a CPE/ONT device at their house/building? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Customer routers Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or business or just let them do their own ? Sent from my iPhone -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router. I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider side. I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for their side of their network. If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc. What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if their provider is the network issue, or their router. I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers Sm on the side of the house Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you already have a CPE/ONT device at their house/building? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Customer routers Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or business or just let them do their own ? Sent from my iPhone -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router. I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider side. I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for their side of their network. If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc. What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if their provider is the network issue, or their router. I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers Sm on the side of the house Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you already have a CPE/ONT device at their house/building? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Customer routers Doing a new area should I put a managed router at every customer house or business or just let them do
Re: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create
I think everybody stops when channel surfing and they come across bob ross. That guy could have shot your grandmother and made you feel calm and happy about it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Happy little trees... On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: LOL :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 11/09/2014 06:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Did he beat the devil out of a little brush? *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create Watching Bob Ross on Create while enjoying a few Tecates...damn its kind of transcendental... Jaime Solorza -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router. I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider side. I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for their side of their network. If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc. What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if their provider is the network issue, or their router. I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers Sm on the side of the house Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router. I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider side. I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for their side of their network. If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc. What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if their provider is the network issue, or their router. I'm working on an app/site for that right now that they can use their phone/device to tell them if it's their problem or the providers. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Marsh via Af Sent:
[AFMUG] College Junction TX
Can anyone can provide service near College Junction, Texas??
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router. I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider side. I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for their side of their network. If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc. What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if their provider is the network issue, or their router. I'm working on an
[AFMUG] New site DC power help
I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
[AFMUG] JPipe Outriggers
I know they're out there, but Haven't been able to hit on the right name yet to find them. I'm looking for the support outriggers for a 1.66 OD J-Pipe. Who has them?
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router. I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider side. I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for their side of their network. If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc. What this industry
[AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create
Josh's Monday Morning Thought: What if Bob Ross was Tyler Durden Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/10/2014 07:00 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I think everybody stops when channel surfing and they come across bob ross. That guy could have shot your grandmother and made you feel calm and happy about it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Happy little trees... On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: LOL :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/09/2014 06:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Did he beat the devil out of a little brush? *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create Watching Bob Ross on Create while enjoying a few Tecates...damn its kind of transcendental... Jaime Solorza -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d We use these. http://www.cableleader.com/networking/networking-adapters/cat-6-5e-gigabit-crossover-adaptor/7-5-cat5e-male-to-female-crossover-adapter.html
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Neutral is AC’s roughly equivalent to DC’s negative. FWIW I’d run DC up the coax to keep more of the equipment more accessible at the bottom. You have more than one coax so you can run another voltage on another one, if needed. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. From: Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Any ideas how to go from the fat N connector to a rectifier? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Neutral is AC’s roughly equivalent to DC’s negative. FWIW I’d run DC up the coax to keep more of the equipment more accessible at the bottom. You have more than one coax so you can run another voltage on another one, if needed. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create
Oh my god, Bob Ross has an android app. http://www.bobross.com/ Count me in. Today's Forecast: Productivity low to none. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/10/2014 07:32 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Josh's Monday Morning Thought: What if Bob Ross was Tyler Durden Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/10/2014 07:00 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I think everybody stops when channel surfing and they come across bob ross. That guy could have shot your grandmother and made you feel calm and happy about it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Happy little trees... On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: LOL :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/09/2014 06:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Did he beat the devil out of a little brush? *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create Watching Bob Ross on Create while enjoying a few Tecates...damn its kind of transcendental... Jaime Solorza -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
I used to despise powercode, stuff was always breaking, but the last year or two they have moved forward to be a pretty solid product. It eliminates a ton of other systems, spreadsheets in particular. The boss loves the billing side of it, I stay out of that. I believe they will do a live demo on your network, no harm, no foul if you dont like it. I dont like that they cant provide alot of specs on server builds and stuff like alot of products do, I would prefer they provide a billing server appliance thats realistic in cost and a virtual appliance you can dump on robust hardware, but those are small potato complaints. If youre a linux guy, then its a moot point. Their support is probably better than alot of companies, even though I complain that they dont drop everything theyre doing to focus directly on me, theyre actually very responsive to issues, usually having a solution, or pathway to a solution within a day or two if its a complex issue. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
How about a POE polarity tester key fob? https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Fw78Dogd -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:48:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Never worked with fat N connectors. Try L-comm's web site for visual match? On November 10, 2014 11:47:41 AM EST, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Any ideas how to go from the fat N connector to a rectifier? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Neutral is AC’s roughly equivalent to DC’s negative. FWIW I’d run DC up the coax to keep more of the equipment more accessible at the bottom. You have more than one coax so you can run another voltage on another one, if needed. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
You should join them at the events. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 10, 2014 11:53 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I used to despise powercode, stuff was always breaking, but the last year or two they have moved forward to be a pretty solid product. It eliminates a ton of other systems, spreadsheets in particular. The boss loves the billing side of it, I stay out of that. I believe they will do a live demo on your network, no harm, no foul if you dont like it. I dont like that they cant provide alot of specs on server builds and stuff like alot of products do, I would prefer they provide a billing server appliance thats realistic in cost and a virtual appliance you can dump on robust hardware, but those are small potato complaints. If youre a linux guy, then its a moot point. Their support is probably better than alot of companies, even though I complain that they dont drop everything theyre doing to focus directly on me, theyre actually very responsive to issues, usually having a solution, or pathway to a solution within a day or two if its a complex issue. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Im not allowed to go to events in public On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You should join them at the events. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 10, 2014 11:53 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I used to despise powercode, stuff was always breaking, but the last year or two they have moved forward to be a pretty solid product. It eliminates a ton of other systems, spreadsheets in particular. The boss loves the billing side of it, I stay out of that. I believe they will do a live demo on your network, no harm, no foul if you dont like it. I dont like that they cant provide alot of specs on server builds and stuff like alot of products do, I would prefer they provide a billing server appliance thats realistic in cost and a virtual appliance you can dump on robust hardware, but those are small potato complaints. If youre a linux guy, then its a moot point. Their support is probably better than alot of companies, even though I complain that they dont drop everything theyre doing to focus directly on me, theyre actually very responsive to issues, usually having a solution, or pathway to a solution within a day or two if its a complex issue. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
Now this could be handy ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How about a POE polarity tester key fob? https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Fw78Dogd -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:48:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Can you run AC on coax? I always assumed that you would be spanked for that On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Never worked with fat N connectors. Try L-comm's web site for visual match? On November 10, 2014 11:47:41 AM EST, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Any ideas how to go from the fat N connector to a rectifier? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Neutral is AC’s roughly equivalent to DC’s negative. FWIW I’d run DC up the coax to keep more of the equipment more accessible at the bottom. You have more than one coax so you can run another voltage on another one, if needed. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
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Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
I wouldnt see why not.. Center line is isolated from everything. I would use an Isolation transformer at the bottom though. So if the coax takes a hit it only has the shield to jump off of. Chuck is right about opening up all kinds of options top side. I would grab a dc power supply 29v @ 2 amp and go for it On 11/10/2014 11:08 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: Can you run AC on coax? I always assumed that you would be spanked for that On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Never worked with fat N connectors. Try L-comm's web site for visual match? On November 10, 2014 11:47:41 AM EST, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Any ideas how to go from the fat N connector to a rectifier? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Neutral is AC’s roughly equivalent to DC’s negative. FWIW I’d run DC up the coax to keep more of the equipment more accessible at the bottom. You have more than one coax so you can run another voltage on another one, if needed. PC Blaze Broadband *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. *From:*Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*[AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
Bill of materials attached if you are interested in making you own. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Now this could be handy ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How about a POE polarity tester key fob? https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Fw78Dogd -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:48:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 BOM.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
[AFMUG] PtP 450
Anyone out there running a PtP 450 link at 20+ miles with any success? Any frequency counts. :) Thanks, Jason
[AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
OH SNAP that's sexy!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 10, 2014 12:27 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Neutral bar is in the circuit breaker panel. It is where all the white wires terminate. You attach, clamp, solder a white wire to the shield. Extend the insulated center conductor and put it on a circuit breaker. Instant $120 VAC appears at the top of the tower. Depending on the size of the coax, you could easily do 30 amps or more. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Do you have a picture of this “fat N” connector? You’re sure this is coax and not flexible waveguide, right? Or air cable? From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Any ideas how to go from the fat N connector to a rectifier? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Neutral is AC’s roughly equivalent to DC’s negative. FWIW I’d run DC up the coax to keep more of the equipment more accessible at the bottom. You have more than one coax so you can run another voltage on another one, if needed. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Get a matching jumper and connect just like u would with a mikrotik in a box. It's probably a din connector. On Nov 10, 2014 9:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you have a picture of this “fat N” connector? You’re sure this is coax and not flexible waveguide, right? Or air cable? *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 10:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Any ideas how to go from the fat N connector to a rectifier? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Neutral is AC’s roughly equivalent to DC’s negative. FWIW I’d run DC up the coax to keep more of the equipment more accessible at the bottom. You have more than one coax so you can run another voltage on another one, if needed. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Obama Urges Title II Classification for ISPs
We have a toy president On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2014/11/obama-urges-title-ii-classification-isps?type=headline -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
Get a n male to whatever u have jumper, put a n female bulkhead on your box and that adapter on the inside , bingo! On Nov 10, 2014 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
A new poe can't be much more??? Why all the crap in the middle? On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Bill of materials attached if you are interested in making you own. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Now this could be handy ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How about a POE polarity tester key fob? https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Fw78Dogd -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:48:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Where are u buying the 28 dollar routers from ? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 11:06 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Im not allowed to go to events in public On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You should join them at the events. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 10, 2014 11:53 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I used to despise powercode, stuff was always breaking, but the last year or two they have moved forward to be a pretty solid product. It eliminates a ton of other systems, spreadsheets in particular. The boss loves the billing side of it, I stay out of that. I believe they will do a live demo on your network, no harm, no foul if you dont like it. I dont like that they cant provide alot of specs on server builds and stuff like alot of products do, I would prefer they provide a billing server appliance thats realistic in cost and a virtual appliance you can dump on robust hardware, but those are small potato complaints. If youre a linux guy, then its a moot point. Their support is probably better than alot of companies, even though I complain that they dont drop everything theyre doing to focus directly on me, theyre actually very responsive to issues, usually having a solution, or pathway to a solution within a day or two if its a complex issue. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in
Re: [AFMUG] Obama Urges Title II Classification for ISPs
My guess is he either spent 20 seconds getting a briefing between the 4th and 5th hole and now thinks he understands the entire issue because he is so much smarter than the rest of us or he asked Valerie Jarrett what his opinion should be. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Urges Title II Classification for ISPs We have a toy president On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2014/11/obama-urges-title-ii-classification-isps?type=headline -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
It's not impossible, we just don't have an easy way to do it right now. But it is coming, actually. On 11/10/2014 09:58 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router. I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's becoming very common for people to say everything is WiFi. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers I never did, the SM has enough to control what you need to from the provider side. I prefer a demarcation at the SM/ONT and let the customer be responsible for their side of their network. If I had done managed router then I would have gotten double the calls for everyones NAT to their Xbox and filtering etc. What this industry needs is a way for the consumer to know for themselves if their provider is the network
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
Switch outs. Sometimes you visit a customer and change them from Cambium to UBNT or vice-versa and they are not home so you have no access to the power supply. So with a crossover you just leave the old power supply and put up the new radio. Bench testing radios, less clutter if you have a universal power supply. I'm sure there are other uses, these are but a few that come to mind. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 12:02:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords A new poe can't be much more??? Why all the crap in the middle? On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Bill of materials attached if you are interested in making you own. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Now this could be handy ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How about a POE polarity tester key fob? https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Fw78Dogd -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:48:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Please mark the hell out of the cable if you decide to put 120VAC on it. Technically it will work just fine.It's just pretty hazardous to the guy who comes along later, has no idea what it is and grabs hold of the center conductor, or tries to cut the line. Nobody is really expecting lethal voltages on coax. They probably should be, and RF can be deadly, but it's out of the ordinary on LMR type cables. It's also really ugly if one of your own guys gets confused and connects the LMR with 120VAC on it to your shiny new Remec radio head. Mark On 11/10/14, 12:27 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Neutral bar is in the circuit breaker panel. It is where all the white wires terminate. You attach, clamp, solder a white wire to the shield. Extend the insulated center conductor and put it on a circuit breaker. Instant $120 VAC appears at the top of the tower. Depending on the size of the coax, you could easily do 30 amps or more. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
I expect lethal voltages on coax. 5000 watts 50 ohms = 500 volts @ 10 amps. Even a 288 watt transmitter has 120 VAC of RF on it. And 120 VAC of RF hurts much more than 60 cycles. From: Mark Radabaugh via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 12:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Please mark the hell out of the cable if you decide to put 120VAC on it. Technically it will work just fine.It's just pretty hazardous to the guy who comes along later, has no idea what it is and grabs hold of the center conductor, or tries to cut the line. Nobody is really expecting lethal voltages on coax. They probably should be, and RF can be deadly, but it's out of the ordinary on LMR type cables. It's also really ugly if one of your own guys gets confused and connects the LMR with 120VAC on it to your shiny new Remec radio head. Mark On 11/10/14, 12:27 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Neutral bar is in the circuit breaker panel. It is where all the white wires terminate. You attach, clamp, solder a white wire to the shield. Extend the insulated center conductor and put it on a circuit breaker. Instant $120 VAC appears at the top of the tower. Depending on the size of the coax, you could easily do 30 amps or more. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
http://www.pipemarker.com/Voltage+Markers/System+1+Voltage+Markers/V606/1159.html http://www.pipemarker.com/Voltage+Markers/System+1+Voltage+Markers.html Running AC over it could be a nice little surprise for copper thieves though. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help I expect lethal voltages on coax. 5000 watts 50 ohms = 500 volts @ 10 amps. Even a 288 watt transmitter has 120 VAC of RF on it. And 120 VAC of RF hurts much more than 60 cycles. From: Mark Radabaugh via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 12:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Please mark the hell out of the cable if you decide to put 120VAC on it. Technically it will work just fine.It's just pretty hazardous to the guy who comes along later, has no idea what it is and grabs hold of the center conductor, or tries to cut the line. Nobody is really expecting lethal voltages on coax. They probably should be, and RF can be deadly, but it's out of the ordinary on LMR type cables. It's also really ugly if one of your own guys gets confused and connects the LMR with 120VAC on it to your shiny new Remec radio head. Mark On 11/10/14, 12:27 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Neutral bar is in the circuit breaker panel. It is where all the white wires terminate. You attach, clamp, solder a white wire to the shield. Extend the insulated center conductor and put it on a circuit breaker. Instant $120 VAC appears at the top of the tower. Depending on the size of the coax, you could easily do 30 amps or more. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
Power Cambium from a Microtik POE switch? Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: Switch outs. Sometimes you visit a customer and change them from Cambium to UBNT or vice-versa and they are not home so you have no access to the power supply. So with a crossover you just leave the old power supply and put up the new radio. Bench testing radios, less clutter if you have a universal power supply. I'm sure there are other uses, these are but a few that come to mind.
[AFMUG] PMP450/100 NAT Performance
how big of a performance hit are you guys seeing with the new 450 Beta with SM's running in NAT Mode? Also what performance hit are you seeing with PMP100 with NAT mode on? Thanks,
Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
I'm trying to find the name of this connector still. I just need an adapter to go from it in male to N male. This is what's in the building: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5vlf0hmma4zdl9x/2014-11-10%2014.08.34.jpg?dl=0 Now the model doesn't come up exactly but Streakwave found DSXL-D-MA: http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/DSXL-D-MA.pdf For reference N is on the left: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1v6gs8801i9sbvx/2014-11-10%2014.08.58.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get a n male to whatever u have jumper, put a n female bulkhead on your box and that adapter on the inside , bingo! On Nov 10, 2014 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
That is not type N. That is type DIN From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter I'm trying to find the name of this connector still. I just need an adapter to go from it in male to N male. This is what's in the building: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5vlf0hmma4zdl9x/2014-11-10%2014.08.34.jpg?dl=0 Now the model doesn't come up exactly but Streakwave found DSXL-D-MA: http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/DSXL-D-MA.pdf For reference N is on the left: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1v6gs8801i9sbvx/2014-11-10%2014.08.58.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get a n male to whatever u have jumper, put a n female bulkhead on your box and that adapter on the inside , bingo! On Nov 10, 2014 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
You will probably want to get a 7-16 DIN to N adapter and then N to binding post/banana From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter That is not type N. That is type DIN From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter I'm trying to find the name of this connector still. I just need an adapter to go from it in male to N male. This is what's in the building: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5vlf0hmma4zdl9x/2014-11-10%2014.08.34.jpg?dl=0 Now the model doesn't come up exactly but Streakwave found DSXL-D-MA: http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/DSXL-D-MA.pdf For reference N is on the left: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1v6gs8801i9sbvx/2014-11-10%2014.08.58.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get a n male to whatever u have jumper, put a n female bulkhead on your box and that adapter on the inside , bingo! On Nov 10, 2014 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
I think at this point it's going DC for simplicity and safety. There's an N on the left and ? on the right: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1v6gs8801i9sbvx/2014-11-10%2014.08.58.jpg?dl=0 The surge suppressor on it is DSX-D-MA: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5vlf0hmma4zdl9x/2014-11-10%2014.08.34.jpg?dl=0 The name of it is similar, though not exact. The specs also call it a din connector like TJ said. http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=DSXL-D-MA Is that what this is, DIN connector? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you have a picture of this “fat N” connector? You’re sure this is coax and not flexible waveguide, right? Or air cable? *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 10:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Any ideas how to go from the fat N connector to a rectifier? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Neutral is AC’s roughly equivalent to DC’s negative. FWIW I’d run DC up the coax to keep more of the equipment more accessible at the bottom. You have more than one coax so you can run another voltage on another one, if needed. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
That's my idea as well! Any ideas where to find a 7/16 DIN to N? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You will probably want to get a 7-16 DIN to N adapter and then N to binding post/banana *From:* Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 1:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter That is not type N. That is type DIN *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 1:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter I'm trying to find the name of this connector still. I just need an adapter to go from it in male to N male. This is what's in the building: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5vlf0hmma4zdl9x/2014-11-10%2014.08.34.jpg?dl=0 Now the model doesn't come up exactly but Streakwave found DSXL-D-MA: http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/DSXL-D-MA.pdf For reference N is on the left: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1v6gs8801i9sbvx/2014-11-10%2014.08.58.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get a n male to whatever u have jumper, put a n female bulkhead on your box and that adapter on the inside , bingo! On Nov 10, 2014 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
http://bit.ly/1Em9kQ7 From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter That's my idea as well! Any ideas where to find a 7/16 DIN to N? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You will probably want to get a 7-16 DIN to N adapter and then N to binding post/banana From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter That is not type N. That is type DIN From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter I'm trying to find the name of this connector still. I just need an adapter to go from it in male to N male. This is what's in the building: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5vlf0hmma4zdl9x/2014-11-10%2014.08.34.jpg?dl=0 Now the model doesn't come up exactly but Streakwave found DSXL-D-MA: http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/DSXL-D-MA.pdf For reference N is on the left: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1v6gs8801i9sbvx/2014-11-10%2014.08.58.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get a n male to whatever u have jumper, put a n female bulkhead on your box and that adapter on the inside , bingo! On Nov 10, 2014 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
Are these all just blind adapters? No problems running =48 volts through them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://bit.ly/1Em9kQ7 *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 1:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter That's my idea as well! Any ideas where to find a 7/16 DIN to N? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You will probably want to get a 7-16 DIN to N adapter and then N to binding post/banana *From:* Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 1:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter That is not type N. That is type DIN *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 1:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter I'm trying to find the name of this connector still. I just need an adapter to go from it in male to N male. This is what's in the building: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5vlf0hmma4zdl9x/2014-11-10%2014.08.34.jpg?dl=0 Now the model doesn't come up exactly but Streakwave found DSXL-D-MA: http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/DSXL-D-MA.pdf For reference N is on the left: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1v6gs8801i9sbvx/2014-11-10%2014.08.58.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get a n male to whatever u have jumper, put a n female bulkhead on your box and that adapter on the inside , bingo! On Nov 10, 2014 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI, I recommend leaving a spare Ethernet cable plugged into the router. I used to insist that people do a speedtest from a wired computer, but it's becoming very
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Dude aren't you in Illinois? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install and. Right now We just go to the power supply and customer does the rest. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2014, at
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
yeah, and when we get 1 inch, they get three. But they do have cheese. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Dude aren't you in Illinois? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required
Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
I’d take the lightning protector out of the path. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter Are these all just blind adapters? No problems running =48 volts through them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://bit.ly/1Em9kQ7 From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter That's my idea as well! Any ideas where to find a 7/16 DIN to N? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You will probably want to get a 7-16 DIN to N adapter and then N to binding post/banana From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter That is not type N. That is type DIN From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter I'm trying to find the name of this connector still. I just need an adapter to go from it in male to N male. This is what's in the building: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5vlf0hmma4zdl9x/2014-11-10%2014.08.34.jpg?dl=0 Now the model doesn't come up exactly but Streakwave found DSXL-D-MA: http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/DSXL-D-MA.pdf For reference N is on the left: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1v6gs8801i9sbvx/2014-11-10%2014.08.58.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get a n male to whatever u have jumper, put a n female bulkhead on your box and that adapter on the inside , bingo! On Nov 10, 2014 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
I will be. That's why I wanted to get the 7/16 din male to n male adapter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’d take the lightning protector out of the path. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 3:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter Are these all just blind adapters? No problems running =48 volts through them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://bit.ly/1Em9kQ7 *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 1:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter That's my idea as well! Any ideas where to find a 7/16 DIN to N? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You will probably want to get a 7-16 DIN to N adapter and then N to binding post/banana *From:* Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 1:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter That is not type N. That is type DIN *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 1:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter I'm trying to find the name of this connector still. I just need an adapter to go from it in male to N male. This is what's in the building: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5vlf0hmma4zdl9x/2014-11-10%2014.08.34.jpg?dl=0 Now the model doesn't come up exactly but Streakwave found DSXL-D-MA: http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/DSXL-D-MA.pdf For reference N is on the left: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1v6gs8801i9sbvx/2014-11-10%2014.08.58.jpg?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get a n male to whatever u have jumper, put a n female bulkhead on your box and that adapter on the inside , bingo! On Nov 10, 2014 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
...and beer!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: yeah, and when we get 1 inch, they get three. But they do have cheese. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Dude aren't you in Illinois? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
It snows CHEESE? Yellow snow may not be cheese. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers yeah, and when we get 1 inch, they get three. But they do have cheese. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Dude aren't you in Illinois? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Roy Gene got out his Instamatic and took a snapshot of it. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 2:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers It snows CHEESE? Yellow snow may not be cheese. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers yeah, and when we get 1 inch, they get three. But they do have cheese. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Dude aren't you in Illinois? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us,
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Yeah, I'm trying to convince everyone to move Powercode to the Bahamas. On a 100ft yacht. On 11/10/2014 03:03 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450/100 NAT Performance
Pmp100 doesn't have any NAT mode problem because the air interface doesn't do more than 10ish Mbps download. The 430/450s had problems around 15mbps but I think 13.2 now gets NAT download speeds of 50ish Mbps or more. On Monday, November 10, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: how big of a performance hit are you guys seeing with the new 450 Beta with SM's running in NAT Mode? Also what performance hit are you seeing with PMP100 with NAT mode on? Thanks,
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
at least tell them to make it a remote office environment with periodic company meetings in the Bahamas On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, I'm trying to convince everyone to move Powercode to the Bahamas. On a 100ft yacht. On 11/10/2014 03:03 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont accept speedtests over wireless. Most people who say everything is wireless dont even realize their laptop has an ethernet connection on it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My tech is required to do a speed test on every install
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450/100 NAT Performance
Thanks Sean! — Sent from Mailbox On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Pmp100 doesn't have any NAT mode problem because the air interface doesn't do more than 10ish Mbps download. The 430/450s had problems around 15mbps but I think 13.2 now gets NAT download speeds of 50ish Mbps or more. On Monday, November 10, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: how big of a performance hit are you guys seeing with the new 450 Beta with SM's running in NAT Mode? Also what performance hit are you seeing with PMP100 with NAT mode on? Thanks,
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
Why don't you just swap pins 4/5 with 7/8 at one end of the cat5? or is this doing something else that I'm missing? From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Christopher Tyler via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 12:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Switch outs. Sometimes you visit a customer and change them from Cambium to UBNT or vice-versa and they are not home so you have no access to the power supply. So with a crossover you just leave the old power supply and put up the new radio. Bench testing radios, less clutter if you have a universal power supply. I'm sure there are other uses, these are but a few that come to mind. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 12:02:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords A new poe can't be much more??? Why all the crap in the middle? On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Bill of materials attached if you are interested in making you own. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Now this could be handy ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How about a POE polarity tester key fob? https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Fw78Dogd -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:48:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
[AFMUG] Using cacti to chart Seattle traffic
Five screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/irFR2#0 These are fed by shell scripts/shell script data input method in Cacti. Using curl, awk, sed, grep.
Re: [AFMUG] Using cacti to chart Seattle traffic
80% of a four hour window is exactly 27 mbps? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Five screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/irFR2#0 These are fed by shell scripts/shell script data input method in Cacti. Using curl, awk, sed, grep.
Re: [AFMUG] Using cacti to chart Seattle traffic
I forgot to label the Y axis, it's minutes. data comes from here: http://www.wsdot.com/traffic/traveltimes/default.aspx?region=seattledirection=all On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 80% of a four hour window is exactly 27 mbps? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Five screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/irFR2#0 These are fed by shell scripts/shell script data input method in Cacti. Using curl, awk, sed, grep.
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
The cross over cable just makes it idiot proof so you know power is being flipped just by looking at it but yes you can just flip the pins on 1 side — Sent from Mailbox On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Power Cambium from a Microtik POE switch? Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: Switch outs. Sometimes you visit a customer and change them from Cambium to UBNT or vice-versa and they are not home so you have no access to the power supply. So with a crossover you just leave the old power supply and put up the new radio. Bench testing radios, less clutter if you have a universal power supply. I'm sure there are other uses, these are but a few that come to mind.
[AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same
It now uses XW firmware. Is it the same CPU/Chipset or is the new chipset running at a higher clock rate? Basically, is it the same processor that's in the Powerbeam/Titanium? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Yes, and our cheese completely makes up for the extra snow... and I hate snow. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers yeah, and when we get 1 inch, they get three. But they do have cheese. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Dude aren't you in Illinois? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect
Re: [AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same
I believe it is a higher clock rate. It is a new chipset. Same architecture as Nanobeam/Powerbeam. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It now uses XW firmware. Is it the same CPU/Chipset or is the new chipset running at a higher clock rate? Basically, is it the same processor that’s in the Powerbeam/Titanium? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same
I'm not sure if it's a higher clock rate or not, but it is definitely a faster CPU. I think it's the same CPU/chipset in all the XW hardware. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same I believe it is a higher clock rate. It is a new chipset. Same architecture as Nanobeam/Powerbeam. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: It now uses XW firmware. Is it the same CPU/Chipset or is the new chipset running at a higher clock rate? Basically, is it the same processor that’s in the Powerbeam/Titanium? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542tel:602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
Nope, that's literally all these PCB's and cables do. It's just faster and easier to have a ready made adapter/cable, than it is to make a custom cable on site. The PCB is obviously more labor intensive, but since Tycon power makes something very similar, at an almost identical price, that is ready made... Furthermore, Using either makes it _VERY_ obvious that something is abnormal at the radio, rather than a mystery cable that doesn't seem to work properly or even worse burns up radios because it isn't labeled or documented properly. Also it's reusable, so you can take it out and use it somewhere else. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:23:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Why don't you just swap pins 4/5 with 7/8 at one end of the cat5? or is this doing something else that I'm missing? From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Christopher Tyler via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 12:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Switch outs. Sometimes you visit a customer and change them from Cambium to UBNT or vice-versa and they are not home so you have no access to the power supply. So with a crossover you just leave the old power supply and put up the new radio. Bench testing radios, less clutter if you have a universal power supply. I'm sure there are other uses, these are but a few that come to mind. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 12:02:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords A new poe can't be much more??? Why all the crap in the middle? On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Bill of materials attached if you are interested in making you own. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Now this could be handy ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How about a POE polarity tester key fob? https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Fw78Dogd -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:48:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same
The data sheets aren't updated but it makes a difference. Especially with 40MHz channels. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same I'm not sure if it's a higher clock rate or not, but it is definitely a faster CPU. I think it's the same CPU/chipset in all the XW hardware. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same I believe it is a higher clock rate. It is a new chipset. Same architecture as Nanobeam/Powerbeam. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It now uses XW firmware. Is it the same CPU/Chipset or is the new chipset running at a higher clock rate? Basically, is it the same processor that's in the Powerbeam/Titanium? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
[AFMUG] Man I love 10Gbps connections!
Got a couple of cloudcore routers running over a 14 mile single strand fiber link using BIDI SFP+ connectors.
Re: [AFMUG] Man I love 10Gbps connections!
How much bw can you pull via the ccrs ? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Nov 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Got a couple of cloudcore routers running over a 14 mile single strand fiber link using BIDI SFP+ connectors.
Re: [AFMUG] Man I love 10Gbps connections!
how much was the fiber lease? On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How much bw can you pull via the ccrs ? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Nov 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Got a couple of cloudcore routers running over a 14 mile single strand fiber link using BIDI SFP+ connectors.
[AFMUG] Obama just threw Tom Wheeler under the bus
Obama just told T-Tommy that his plan stinks. Since Tommy was funded by all his friends in the Telcom industry, he must be handling a whole bunch of phone calls today to try and figure out what to do. Comcast and Verizon, some of Obama's biggest supports, have got to be fuming. This is what happens when you serve too many masters. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/10/cable-companies-obama- net-neutrality-proposals-fcc-fight Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Probably better turnout for training sessions. Actually, include free training with purchase and you'll need to hire Scrooge McDuck to count all the coin. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 10, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, I'm trying to convince everyone to move Powercode to the Bahamas. On a 100ft yacht. On 11/10/2014 03:03 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set up If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air router DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized
Re: [AFMUG] Obama just threw Tom Wheeler under the bus
I really wish I would stop reading comments, but they're kinda like a train wreck. It amazes me how short sighted people are in thinking this kind of regulation is going to be a good thing for them. The only thing I can see it doing is burdening the small guys out of business, decreasing competition and very likely raising the cost of service. On Monday, November 10, 2014, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Obama just told T-Tommy that his plan stinks. Since Tommy was funded by all his friends in the Telcom industry, he must be handling a whole bunch of phone calls today to try and figure out what to do. Comcast and Verizon, some of Obama’s biggest supports, have got to be fuming. This is what happens when you serve too many masters. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/10/cable-companies-obama-net-neutrality-proposals-fcc-fight Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net'); www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Obama just threw Tom Wheeler under the bus
Like the president can tell the FCC what to do. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Obama just threw Tom Wheeler under the bus Obama just told T-Tommy that his plan stinks. Since Tommy was funded by all his friends in the Telcom industry, he must be handling a whole bunch of phone calls today to try and figure out what to do. Comcast and Verizon, some of Obama’s biggest supports, have got to be fuming. This is what happens when you serve too many masters. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/10/cable-companies-obama-net-neutrality-proposals-fcc-fight Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Obama just threw Tom Wheeler under the bus
On 11/10/14, 16:03, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: I really wish I would stop reading comments, but they're kinda like a train wreck. The following picture sums up what happens to me when I read internet comments.
Re: [AFMUG] Obama just threw Tom Wheeler under the bus
The Administration can’t decide how to regulate fast lanes. Congress can’t decide whether to allow taxes on the Internet*. They could kill two birds with one stone ... tax fast lanes! Why regulate something when you can tax it? 100% sin tax on paid prioritization. *actually some Senators want to link it with collecting sales tax on Internet sales From: Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama just threw Tom Wheeler under the bus I really wish I would stop reading comments, but they're kinda like a train wreck. It amazes me how short sighted people are in thinking this kind of regulation is going to be a good thing for them. The only thing I can see it doing is burdening the small guys out of business, decreasing competition and very likely raising the cost of service. On Monday, November 10, 2014, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Obama just told T-Tommy that his plan stinks. Since Tommy was funded by all his friends in the Telcom industry, he must be handling a whole bunch of phone calls today to try and figure out what to do. Comcast and Verizon, some of Obama’s biggest supports, have got to be fuming. This is what happens when you serve too many masters. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/10/cable-companies-obama-net-neutrality-proposals-fcc-fight Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net'); www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Man I love 10Gbps connections!
It’s my own fiber. We have a growing portfolio of fiber runs across town and through other cities now. We keep growing it by building and trading. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Man I love 10Gbps connections! how much was the fiber lease? On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: How much bw can you pull via the ccrs ? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Nov 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Got a couple of cloudcore routers running over a 14 mile single strand fiber link using BIDI SFP+ connectors.
Re: [AFMUG] Man I love 10Gbps connections!
I think about 3Gbps both ways unswitched/unrouted. That's going from CCR to CCR. I suspect it doesn't multithread it well, because the CPU is only around 14 percent. Would probably do better if traffic were passing through the routers instead of using the routers btest function. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Man I love 10Gbps connections! How much bw can you pull via the ccrs ? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Nov 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Got a couple of cloudcore routers running over a 14 mile single strand fiber link using BIDI SFP+ connectors.
Re: [AFMUG] Man I love 10Gbps connections!
8 CPUs that would make sense. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 10, 2014 7:39 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think about 3Gbps both ways unswitched/unrouted. That's going from CCR to CCR. I suspect it doesn't multithread it well, because the CPU is only around 14 percent. Would probably do better if traffic were passing through the routers instead of using the routers btest function. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Man I love 10Gbps connections! How much bw can you pull via the ccrs ? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Nov 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Got a couple of cloudcore routers running over a 14 mile single strand fiber link using BIDI SFP+ connectors.
[AFMUG] [OT] Weird MT situation
I've got a RB1100AH running 5.26. Something has been happening every day for about the past week and it gets all screwy. I've confirmed there are no site temperature or power issues. Here's what happens in the screwy state. I can ping it and it responds fine. I can log into Winbox or the CLI and try to ping anything, even local same-subnet stuff and I get a bunch of packet loss. SNMP responses are hit or miss as well. I did a packet capture and it shows the ICMP packets all out of order. Reboot it and everything works fine again, until next time. The only thing I haven't tried yet is pinging 127.0.0.1 and see if the same packet loss happens. I see a bunch of SSH brute force attempts, but I'm using the brute force protection firewall scripts to add sequential attempts to an address list to stop them. And that works fine. But I'm wondering, since 5.26 is the ssh - fixed denial of service; version, did this fix break something else. I don't see this on any other routers running 5.25, RB1100's and 493's. This is a remote router so I do not want to try downgrading to 5.25 or upgrading to v6 without someone there. And if I'm going to send someone there, probably better off replacing it, but then I'll never know WTF is causing this.
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
We already do! -- Original message--From: Tyler Treat via AfDate: Mon, Nov 10, 2014 5:58 PMTo: af@afmug.com;Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers Probably better turnout for training sessions. Actually, include free training with purchase and you'll need to hire Scrooge McDuck to count all the coin. ___Mangled by my iPhone.___ Tyler TreatCorn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.treat@cornbelttech.com___ On Nov 10, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, I'm trying to convince everyone to move Powercode to the Bahamas. On a 100ft yacht. On 11/10/2014 03:03 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Afaf@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Afaf@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Afaf@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set upIf powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Afaf@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air routerDHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Afaf@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero. We do leave an extra patch cord and dont
Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers
Offer free training, I mean.. Not hire Scrooge McDuck. -- Original message--From: Tyler Treat via Af Date: Mon, Nov 10, 2014 5:58 PMTo: af@afmug.com;Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers Probably better turnout for training sessions. Actually, include free training with purchase and you'll need to hire Scrooge McDuck to count all the coin. ___Mangled by my iPhone.___ Tyler TreatCorn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.treat@cornbelttech.com___ On Nov 10, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, I'm trying to convince everyone to move Powercode to the Bahamas. On a 100ft yacht. On 11/10/2014 03:03 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: you guys get too much snow up there On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more tier 3 support guys right now. The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Afaf@afmug.com wrote: Don't ask Steve anything serious!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Afaf@afmug.com wrote: I'm thinking about changing how do u like power code? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Afaf@afmug.com wrote: We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp but I would like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc We use swift fox for monitoring and billing Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and complete the set upIf powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the wireless or LAN MAC for some reason On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Afaf@afmug.com wrote: Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats the very reason we use the air routerDHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do) On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Afaf@afmug.com wrote: We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via wireless and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe Does the air router allow u to disable reset button? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we have had to support is zero.
Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Weird MT situation
Most of my network is humming along on 5.26. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:05:29 PM Subject: [AFMUG] [OT] Weird MT situation I've got a RB1100AH running 5.26. Something has been happening every day for about the past week and it gets all screwy. I've confirmed there are no site temperature or power issues. Here's what happens in the screwy state. I can ping it and it responds fine. I can log into Winbox or the CLI and try to ping anything, even local same-subnet stuff and I get a bunch of packet loss. SNMP responses are hit or miss as well. I did a packet capture and it shows the ICMP packets all out of order. Reboot it and everything works fine again, until next time. The only thing I haven't tried yet is pinging 127.0.0.1 and see if the same packet loss happens. I see a bunch of SSH brute force attempts, but I'm using the brute force protection firewall scripts to add sequential attempts to an address list to stop them. And that works fine. But I'm wondering, since 5.26 is the ssh - fixed denial of service; version, did this fix break something else. I don't see this on any other routers running 5.25, RB1100's and 493's. This is a remote router so I do not want to try downgrading to 5.25 or upgrading to v6 without someone there. And if I'm going to send someone there, probably better off replacing it, but then I'll never know WTF is causing this.
