date:20150112

I used 750Ups for mine, I'm sure newer revisions on the toughswitches
are better, but we have had a number of customers take them out.  Have
not tried the latest though.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net  - 314-735-0270 -
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

 

Looking to pick one up for the cameras for our new office.  What is the
overall impression with them?

 

Also looking at the RF Armor + Toughswitch combo for rack mount - but
the Edgeswitch seems like a better value.

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

2015-01-12 Thread That One Guy

why wouldnt this be a standard on consumer routers?


On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

 Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic
 to your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Because consumer router manufacturers hate the Internet and their customers? 
That seems evident from the products they release. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:04:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38 


why wouldnt this be a standard on consumer routers? 




On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 




http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page 

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 






-- 


All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

2015-01-12 Thread Gino Villarini

And Emerson Netsure 211  is $900~ brand new for a 1000W unit



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Jason McKemie 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Monday, January 12, 2015 at 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

My thoughts as well, Eltek is pretty solid stuff. Minipack setups can be found 
surplus for around $1200 - at least last time I checked.

On Monday, January 12, 2015, Josh Baird 
joshba...@gmail.commailto:joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
If I were spending 2k, I believe I would be looking at a rectifier based 
solution (from Emerson, Eltek, etc).  Not only would it probably be a bit 
cheaper, but it would all fit in 1-2U of rack space.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:44 AM, David Milholen 
dmilho...@wletc.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmilho...@wletc.com'); 
wrote:
This is the portfolio I have used for 11 years..
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=495
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=174
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=180
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=349

I have used all of these stacked in several of our cabinets depending if we are 
running ptp800 at that  site.
The total cost for a  +48v,-48v,2x 24v and distribution is around $1800 and 
with batteries its about $2900
Thats a full blown site.
If you just need +24v its about $1600 to $1800 depending if you need a separate 
supply for isolating the routers and switches.

Everything else I have ever tried or looked into is either too expensive or 
doesnt last.
I have ever only replaced one 24v supply due to lightning which was a direct 
hit on the system.
It let the smoke out :)

http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=349
On 1/7/2015 9:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I wish everything would happily run on 29 volts like the Cambium stuff.

Phoenix Contact has some DIN rail UPS gear that puts out regulated 24V when on 
commercial power, but raw battery voltage when on batteries.  So what good is 
that?


From: Bill Princejavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:51 AM
To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

Yes, there is temp compensation, but not that important to me with the sites 
we're putting it in.  The load is isolated from the batteries, which is why it 
can do multi-stage charging (recovery/boost/float).  However, based on the 
literature, the load voltage will follow the battery voltage.  We do use a 
Traco to knock that down to 24V for some devices like MT and UBNT.

So I am trying these out.  Will let the group know after I have some experience 
with them.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



On 1/6/2015 7:56 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
What about temperature compensation? And is the output regulated or is it 
essentially parallel operation and you get battery float voltage? I went with 
the Traco because the temperature compensation is one thing that I absolutely 
need. And I can handle the unregulated voltage with an RSD. For smaller 
sites/micro POPs, now I'm just throwing in Mean Well AD-155's. No temp. comp. 
but I'm not all that worried about those because they're not supporting 
hundreds of $$ worth of batteries that I'd like to last. So far they have not 
severely overcharged batteries like the APC UPS's do in only a few months, so 
I'm happy with that.

On 1/6/2015 5:04 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We just got a couple of the 24V versions and it was only $300 each.  About the 
same as the Traco for the two separate units.  I sure appreciate the 
differences, but I was looking for extra-small form factor on a DIN rail.  
Because this site is on AC power 99.99% of the time, it's not a big deal (to 
me) if it takes 24 or even 48 hours to get a full charge.  IIRC, these units 
also have LVD.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



On 1/6/2015 10:26 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
Those are really expensive. A Traco TSP+BCM is several hundred less at almost 
every wattage, last time I looked anyway. I like the split power supply and 
battery module. A lot cheaper to replace a failed component than an entire 
$700-1k all-in-one. But that's just me. The Traco gets you temperature 
compensated charging and LVD. You get contacts for DC input OK, batt OK/fail, 
etc. Hook that up to a SiteMonitor switch closure module and you have pretty 
good remote visibility. Put shunts wherever you want to monitor, battery 
charge/discharge current, output rail current, etc.

On 1/6/2015 10:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Try these.  We are about to install a couple of them.  Some models have 
ethernet ports

[AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

Looking to pick one up for the cameras for our new office.  What is the
overall impression with them?

 

Also looking at the RF Armor + Toughswitch combo for rack mount - but the
Edgeswitch seems like a better value.

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

[AFMUG] BCP38

http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page 

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

2015-01-12 Thread Tyler Treat

How much enclosure do you put at these sites!?

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:44 AM, David Milholen 
dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:

This is the portfolio I have used for 11 years..
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=495
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=174
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=180
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=349

I have used all of these stacked in several of our cabinets depending if we are 
running ptp800 at that  site.
The total cost for a  +48v,-48v,2x 24v and distribution is around $1800 and 
with batteries its about $2900
Thats a full blown site.
If you just need +24v its about $1600 to $1800 depending if you need a separate 
supply for isolating the routers and switches.

Everything else I have ever tried or looked into is either too expensive or 
doesnt last.
I have ever only replaced one 24v supply due to lightning which was a direct 
hit on the system.
It let the smoke out :)

http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=349
On 1/7/2015 9:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I wish everything would happily run on 29 volts like the Cambium stuff.

Phoenix Contact has some DIN rail UPS gear that puts out regulated 24V when on 
commercial power, but raw battery voltage when on batteries.  So what good is 
that?


From: Bill Princemailto:part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:51 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

Yes, there is temp compensation, but not that important to me with the sites 
we're putting it in.  The load is isolated from the batteries, which is why it 
can do multi-stage charging (recovery/boost/float).  However, based on the 
literature, the load voltage will follow the battery voltage.  We do use a 
Traco to knock that down to 24V for some devices like MT and UBNT.

So I am trying these out.  Will let the group know after I have some experience 
with them.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



On 1/6/2015 7:56 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
What about temperature compensation? And is the output regulated or is it 
essentially parallel operation and you get battery float voltage? I went with 
the Traco because the temperature compensation is one thing that I absolutely 
need. And I can handle the unregulated voltage with an RSD. For smaller 
sites/micro POPs, now I'm just throwing in Mean Well AD-155's. No temp. comp. 
but I'm not all that worried about those because they're not supporting 
hundreds of $$ worth of batteries that I'd like to last. So far they have not 
severely overcharged batteries like the APC UPS's do in only a few months, so 
I'm happy with that.

On 1/6/2015 5:04 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We just got a couple of the 24V versions and it was only $300 each.  About the 
same as the Traco for the two separate units.  I sure appreciate the 
differences, but I was looking for extra-small form factor on a DIN rail.  
Because this site is on AC power 99.99% of the time, it's not a big deal (to 
me) if it takes 24 or even 48 hours to get a full charge.  IIRC, these units 
also have LVD.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



On 1/6/2015 10:26 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
Those are really expensive. A Traco TSP+BCM is several hundred less at almost 
every wattage, last time I looked anyway. I like the split power supply and 
battery module. A lot cheaper to replace a failed component than an entire 
$700-1k all-in-one. But that's just me. The Traco gets you temperature 
compensated charging and LVD. You get contacts for DC input OK, batt OK/fail, 
etc. Hook that up to a SiteMonitor switch closure module and you have pretty 
good remote visibility. Put shunts wherever you want to monitor, battery 
charge/discharge current, output rail current, etc.

On 1/6/2015 10:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Try these.  We are about to install a couple of them.  Some models have 
ethernet ports for a GUI (no SNMP :-( ).  But they do have contacts to send 
alerts through a SiteMonitor (for example).

http://www.altechcorp.com/power/CBI-UPS.html

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Christopher Tyler 
ch...@totalhighspeed.netmailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:
I'm at my end. I've been looking at this for a while now and it's obvious that 
no one makes an industrial APC UPS that works.

We've tried the Alpha Cordex (DIN rail) and the ICT (19 rack) and neither one 
can do what a APC management card can. We just need it to provide 24vDC to a 
load and when the AC power goes out, send an alert and let us monitor the 
system status via SNMP.

Alpha:
PROS: DIN rail mounted
CONS: Web interface is IE only,

Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

2015-01-12 Thread David Milholen


This is the portfolio I have used for 11 years..
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=495
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=174
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=180
http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=349

I have used all of these stacked in several of our cabinets depending if 
we are running ptp800 at that  site.
The total cost for a  +48v,-48v,2x 24v and distribution is around $1800 
and with batteries its about $2900

Thats a full blown site.
If you just need +24v its about $1600 to $1800 depending if you need a 
separate supply for isolating the routers and switches.


Everything else I have ever tried or looked into is either too expensive 
or doesnt last.
I have ever only replaced one 24v supply due to lightning which was a 
direct hit on the system.

It let the smoke out :)

http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=349
On 1/7/2015 9:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I wish everything would happily run on 29 volts like the Cambium stuff.
Phoenix Contact has some DIN rail UPS gear that puts out regulated 24V 
when on commercial power, but raw battery voltage when on batteries.  
So what good is that?

*From:* Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS
Yes, there is temp compensation, but not that important to me with the 
sites we're putting it in.  The load is isolated from the batteries, 
which is why it can do multi-stage charging (recovery/boost/float).  
However, based on the literature, the load voltage will follow the 
battery voltage.  We do use a Traco to knock that down to 24V for some 
devices like MT and UBNT.


So I am trying these out.  Will let the group know after I have some 
experience with them.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/6/2015 7:56 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
What about temperature compensation? And is the output regulated or 
is it essentially parallel operation and you get battery float 
voltage? I went with the Traco because the temperature compensation 
is one thing that I absolutely need. And I can handle the unregulated 
voltage with an RSD. For smaller sites/micro POPs, now I'm just 
throwing in Mean Well AD-155's. No temp. comp. but I'm not all that 
worried about those because they're not supporting hundreds of $$ 
worth of batteries that I'd like to last. So far they have not 
severely overcharged batteries like the APC UPS's do in only a few 
months, so I'm happy with that.


On 1/6/2015 5:04 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We just got a couple of the 24V versions and it was only $300 each.  
About the same as the Traco for the two separate units.  I sure 
appreciate the differences, but I was looking for extra-small form 
factor on a DIN rail.  Because this site is on AC power 99.99% of 
the time, it's not a big deal (to me) if it takes 24 or even 48 
hours to get a full charge.  IIRC, these units also have LVD.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/6/2015 10:26 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
Those are really expensive. A Traco TSP+BCM is several hundred less 
at almost every wattage, last time I looked anyway. I like the 
split power supply and battery module. A lot cheaper to replace a 
failed component than an entire $700-1k all-in-one. But that's just 
me. The Traco gets you temperature compensated charging and LVD. 
You get contacts for DC input OK, batt OK/fail, etc. Hook that up 
to a SiteMonitor switch closure module and you have pretty good 
remote visibility. Put shunts wherever you want to monitor, battery 
charge/discharge current, output rail current, etc.


On 1/6/2015 10:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Try these.  We are about to install a couple of them.  Some models 
have ethernet ports for a GUI (no SNMP :-( ).  But they do have 
contacts to send alerts through a SiteMonitor (for example).


http://www.altechcorp.com/power/CBI-UPS.html
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Christopher Tyler 
ch...@totalhighspeed.net mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:


I'm at my end. I've been looking at this for a while now and
it's obvious that no one makes an industrial APC UPS that works.

We've tried the Alpha Cordex (DIN rail) and the ICT (19 rack)
and neither one can do what a APC management card can. We just
need it to provide 24vDC to a load and when the AC power goes
out, send an alert and let us monitor the system status via SNMP.

Alpha:
PROS: DIN rail mounted
CONS: Web interface is IE only, SNMP requests are completely
broken, have not tested SNMP traps, cost is about $700.

ICT:
PROS: It works well as a dumb power supply/charger with UPS
functionality, web interface works in all browsers.
CONS: SNMP is limited to about 6 values, all remote
communication is lost when AC is

Re: [AFMUG] RFC1925

2015-01-12 Thread David Milholen


OMG!!
where did u find that one LOL
I hope the FCC and our commander has read this to its full extent

On 1/11/2015 10:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1925



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


--

Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

2015-01-12 Thread Josh Baird

If I were spending 2k, I believe I would be looking at a rectifier based
solution (from Emerson, Eltek, etc).  Not only would it probably be a bit
cheaper, but it would all fit in 1-2U of rack space.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:44 AM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:

  This is the portfolio I have used for 11 years..

 http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=495

 http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=174

 http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=180

 http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=349

 I have used all of these stacked in several of our cabinets depending if
 we are running ptp800 at that  site.
 The total cost for a  +48v,-48v,2x 24v and distribution is around $1800
 and with batteries its about $2900
 Thats a full blown site.
 If you just need +24v its about $1600 to $1800 depending if you need a
 separate supply for isolating the routers and switches.

 Everything else I have ever tried or looked into is either too expensive
 or doesnt last.
 I have ever only replaced one 24v supply due to lightning which was a
 direct hit on the system.
 It let the smoke out :)


 http://duracomm.com/siteresources/apps/catalog/shop/prodView.asp?idproduct=349
 On 1/7/2015 9:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I wish everything would happily run on 29 volts like the Cambium stuff.

 Phoenix Contact has some DIN rail UPS gear that puts out regulated 24V
 when on commercial power, but raw battery voltage when on batteries.  So
 what good is that?


  *From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:51 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

  Yes, there is temp compensation, but not that important to me with the
 sites we're putting it in.  The load is isolated from the batteries, which
 is why it can do multi-stage charging (recovery/boost/float).  However,
 based on the literature, the load voltage will follow the battery voltage.
 We do use a Traco to knock that down to 24V for some devices like MT and
 UBNT.

 So I am trying these out.  Will let the group know after I have some
 experience with them.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 1/6/2015 7:56 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:

 What about temperature compensation? And is the output regulated or is it
 essentially parallel operation and you get battery float voltage? I went
 with the Traco because the temperature compensation is one thing that I
 absolutely need. And I can handle the unregulated voltage with an RSD. For
 smaller sites/micro POPs, now I'm just throwing in Mean Well AD-155's. No
 temp. comp. but I'm not all that worried about those because they're not
 supporting hundreds of $$ worth of batteries that I'd like to last. So far
 they have not severely overcharged batteries like the APC UPS's do in only
 a few months, so I'm happy with that.

 On 1/6/2015 5:04 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

 We just got a couple of the 24V versions and it was only $300 each.  About
 the same as the Traco for the two separate units.  I sure appreciate the
 differences, but I was looking for extra-small form factor on a DIN rail.
 Because this site is on AC power 99.99% of the time, it's not a big deal
 (to me) if it takes 24 or even 48 hours to get a full charge.  IIRC, these
 units also have LVD.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 1/6/2015 10:26 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:

 Those are really expensive. A Traco TSP+BCM is several hundred less at
 almost every wattage, last time I looked anyway. I like the split power
 supply and battery module. A lot cheaper to replace a failed component than
 an entire $700-1k all-in-one. But that's just me. The Traco gets you
 temperature compensated charging and LVD. You get contacts for DC input OK,
 batt OK/fail, etc. Hook that up to a SiteMonitor switch closure module and
 you have pretty good remote visibility. Put shunts wherever you want to
 monitor, battery charge/discharge current, output rail current, etc.

 On 1/6/2015 10:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

 Try these.  We are about to install a couple of them.  Some models have
 ethernet ports for a GUI (no SNMP :-( ).  But they do have contacts to send
 alerts through a SiteMonitor (for example).

 http://www.altechcorp.com/power/CBI-UPS.html

 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Christopher Tyler 
 ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

 I'm at my end. I've been looking at this for a while now and it's obvious
 that no one makes an industrial APC UPS that works.

 We've tried the Alpha Cordex (DIN rail) and the ICT (19 rack) and
 neither one can do what a APC management card can. We just need it to
 provide 24vDC to a load and when the AC power goes out, send an alert and
 let us monitor the system status via SNMP.

 Alpha:
 PROS: DIN rail mounted
 CONS: Web interface is IE only, SNMP requests are completely broken, have
 not tested SNMP traps, cost is about

Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS

2015-01-12 Thread David Milholen


WOW!...
 the first thread that actually stayed a thread.

On 1/11/2015 11:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I remember when booking hotel rooms in Wash. DC being told to always 
ask for the government rate, without actually saying you were a 
government employee.

I wonder if you could just ask vendors for the JAB price.
*From:* Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
*Sent:* Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS
Crap, how well equipped is that?  That's beyond even what you can get 
a reasonably decked out Eltek Minipack shelf for these days, not 
seeing how they could be worth that much. Must be mainly targeting 
those using OPM.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:


Tessco has them in the $2k range

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini

On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:


Yeah, saw them on Newmar. Usually call for a quote is a bad
sign. I hear that these are what Jab has standardized on.  They
seem pretty robust.  I imagine they come with free sticker shock.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

Looks interesting… its from Newmar..

http://www.newmartelecom.com/Sentinel_Rectifier_System/Sentinel_Rectifier_System.html
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS
Anyone ever tried the Sentinel systems?
http://gfspower.com.au/products/dc-power-systems/sentinel-power-system/
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:

We got these through Allied Electronics.ï¿1Ž2 We got the
5 amp model for a couple of small PoPs; we're not so
concerned about battery recharge time, as the PoPs only
need about 1.5 amps (~~ 35 watts) to operate.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/11/2015 10:55 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Were do you buy the Altech? Direct? What model you bought?
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
@aeronetpr
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 at 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS
We just got a couple of the 24V versions and it was only
$300 each.ï¿1Ž2 About the same as the Traco for the two
separate units.ï¿1Ž2 I sure appreciate the differences,
but I was looking for extra-small form factor on a DIN
rail.ï¿1Ž2 Because this site is on AC power 99.99% of
the time, it's not a big deal (to me) if it takes 24 or
even 48 hours to get a full charge.ï¿1Ž2 IIRC, these
units also have LVD.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/6/2015 10:26 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
wrote:

Those are really expensive. A Traco TSP+BCM is several
hundred less at almost every wattage, last time I
looked anyway. I like the split power supply and
battery module. A lot cheaper to replace a failed
component than an entire $700-1k all-in-one. But that's
just me. The Traco gets you temperature compensated
charging and LVD. You get contacts for DC input OK,
batt OK/fail, etc. Hook that up to a SiteMonitor switch
closure module and you have pretty good remote
visibility. Put shunts wherever you want to monitor,
battery charge/discharge current, output rail current, etc.

On 1/6/2015 10:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Try these.ï¿1Ž2 We are about to install a couple of
them.ï¿1Ž2 Some models have ethernet ports for a GUI
(no SNMP :-( ).ï¿1Ž2 But they do have contacts to send
alerts through a SiteMonitor (for example).

http://www.altechcorp.com/power/CBI-UPS.html
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Christopher Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Very simple.  In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind the core 
routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, plus any BGP 
prefixes learned from your customers.  Then a simple, out interface (internet) 
drop if its not SRCed from that list.  Not exactly IP tables, but there ya go..

 

 

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net  – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

 

Hey Mike,

 

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop this traffic?

 

Thanks,

Sean



On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

Edge switch is clunky to use, but great performance and great value

On January 12, 2015 5:56:40 AM AKST, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net 
wrote:
I used 750Ups for mine, I'm sure newer revisions on the toughswitches
are better, but we have had a number of customers take them out.  Have
not tried the latest though.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net  - 314-735-0270 -
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

 

Looking to pick one up for the cameras for our new office.  What is the
overall impression with them?

 

Also looking at the RF Armor + Toughswitch combo for rack mount - but
the Edgeswitch seems like a better value.

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

 

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

2015-01-12 Thread Sean Heskett

Hey Mike,

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop this
traffic?

Thanks,
Sean


On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

 Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic
 to your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

2015-01-12 Thread Jeremy

If it is just for powering the cameras you can also power them with the WB
GIGE-POE-APC.  That is what we use to power the cameras (and everything
else) at our office.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Looking to pick one up for the cameras for our new office.  What is the
 overall impression with them?



 Also looking at the RF Armor + Toughswitch combo for rack mount – but the
 Edgeswitch seems like a better value.



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

Matt, that doesn't really help.

In many areas, my noise/interference/whatever is -75. If I knew how much margin 
was required per modulation, I could figure out how much signal I need for that 
speed.

I can't do that with your published numbers.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5

Hi Mike,
The numbers in our datasheet do convey the SNR (which assumes AWGN for
noise value); this is pretty standard among all our datasheets.
The noise floor value varies based on channel BW, so a rough estimate for
noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm, 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm,
10=-104dBm).

As far as transmit power / modulation, all modulations up to 64QAM can run
at full transmit power. 256QAM is ~2dB lower, and 1024QAM is something like
4dB lower (it depends on other external factors).

All of this and more is already provided with the integrated link
configuration tool, including channel bandwidth, duplex frequency spacing,
TX power and a bunch of other stuff. It's recommended to use this tool to
configure links because of all of the additional factors.

But if you need to run a simple link calc to estimate a link's performance
at certain distance, you should have enough info.

Hope that helps...

-Matt


On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Not at all, Matt. Those are receive sensitivities.


 The left side of this picture is needed for the airFibers. You publish the
 right side only.


 This information is also not available for the airFibers.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 9, 2015 5:34:43 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Af5

 This?
 [image: Inline image 1]

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Hard to tell because they won't publish their Tx and SNR requirements.
 I'd just make educated guesses and plug it into a path calc.

 BTW: Ben, Matt... where are those numbers?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, January 8, 2015 3:24:58 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Af5

 I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max
 distance people are seeing for the AF 5 at full modulation

 Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

2015-01-12 Thread That One Guy

Im just curious what the few circumstances would be where you would allow
this type of traffic, I could see if you had a security company doing
malicious testing or something to that effect, but what other purpose could
there be?

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Eric Markow e...@belairinternet.com
wrote:

  I believe the phrase is “all your internets are belong to us”



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown

 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38



 Remember when back in the early days, folks could announce “all your
 internets are mine” and take down everything.



 *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com

 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 11:07 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38



 Depends on what you mean by “any prefixes learned by the bgp peers”.



 I think most upstreams would manually configure route filters to control
 what BGP advertisements to accept, and maybe also an ACL based on source
 IP.  Otherwise there’s too much risk a customer would advertise routes for
 non owned blocks or bogons to you, either maliciously or by mistake, and
 you would automatically install these routes and pass them on.  Boom,
 you’re trying to advertise 8.0.0.0/0 or 10.0.0.0/0 and also allowing
 source address spoofing from those IPs, because your customer did something
 stupid.



 Without an LOA and manual configuration, just advertising a route via BGP
 to another ASN should not cause those routes to be accepted.  Of course
 your upstream probably has these same rules, so your customer would have to
 give you an LOA that also goes to your upstream authorizing them to
 advertise those blocks.





 *From:* Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net

 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 11:46 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38



 Basically ,any IPs that SHOULD be sourced from your network.  But yes, the
 idea behind BCP38 is to block src address packets originating from your
 network that SHOULD NOT.  So yes, you should already have those rules to
 not all traffic from your network if it’s coming from a IP that should not
 come from your network, and yes that would include any customer originated
 traffic.



 An example, customer has 4 /19s and two /22s, plus has about 30 BGP peers
 for customer traffic.



 The 5 prefixes would be allowed out, plus any prefixes learned by the bgp
 peers.  If there were two upstream on the same router, both would have a
 line, if the SRC address is ! (not) customer prefixes, including the 5
 prefixes they use, then it would be dropped on egress of the upstream
 ports.   An example of this is



 add action=drop chain=forward out-interface=ether17-internet
 src-address-list=!Inside-IPs



 The inside_ips list include the local prefixes and the customer prefixes.



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38



 Yeah, I’m missing what the big deal is here.  If you’re talking about your
 border router to your upstream, why would you allow outbound traffic with
 source IPs outside your IP blocks?  Allow your IPs, block the rest.



 If you’re talking about other routers within your network and are wanting
 to stop the traffic at the source, it could get more complicated since I
 assume we all use some private IP space within our networks for various
 purposes mostly management addresses on network equipment.



 Dennis mentions customer IPs, if you route customer blocks those would
 also be allowed, based on an LOA.





 *From:* Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net

 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 10:43 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38



 Very simple.  In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind the
 core routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, plus any
 BGP prefixes learned from your customers.  Then a simple, out interface
 (internet) drop if its not SRCed from that list.  Not exactly IP tables,
 but there ya go..







 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38



 Hey Mike,



 Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop this
 traffic?



 Thanks,

 Sean



 On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

 Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic
 to your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Accu-Aim Adapter

Have Chuck email you the .stl file and print it on a 3D printer.
Or use drone delivery from one tower to the other.
Having things fabricated and shipped is so 2014.

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Accu-Aim Adapter

Just have Wayne fabricate it for you. 

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote:

  Anybody have Stock of the Accu-Aim adapter?  My normal channels say 3-4 week 
leadtime.  Looking to pick one up for a project this Friday.  I have one, but 
going to have guys on both ends of an AF24 link at the same time, so thinking a 
2nd would be helpful.  I already have 2 scopes.

  Nate

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Accu-Aim Adapter

2015-01-12 Thread Adam Moffett



Somebody did a home-made version once and posted picturescan't 
remember who or when.


Anybody have Stock of the Accu-Aim adapter?  My normal channels say 
3-4 week leadtime.  Looking to pick one up for a project this Friday.  
I have one, but going to have guys on both ends of an AF24 link at the 
same time, so thinking a 2nd would be helpful.  I already have 2 scopes.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Accu-Aim Adapter

2015-01-12 Thread Erich Kaiser

Just have Wayne fabricate it for you.


On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote:

 Anybody have Stock of the Accu-Aim adapter?  My normal channels say 3-4
 week leadtime.  Looking to pick one up for a project this Friday.  I have
 one, but going to have guys on both ends of an AF24 link at the same time,
 so thinking a 2nd would be helpful.  I already have 2 scopes.

 Nate

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

IRRs help with that as well.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:07:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Depends on what you mean by “any prefixes learned by the bgp peers”.

I think most upstreams would manually configure route filters to control what 
BGP advertisements to accept, and maybe also an ACL based on source IP. 
Otherwise there’s too much risk a customer would advertise routes for non owned 
blocks or bogons to you, either maliciously or by mistake, and you would 
automatically install these routes and pass them on. Boom, you’re trying to 
advertise 8.0.0.0/0 or 10.0.0.0/0 and also allowing source address spoofing 
from those IPs, because your customer did something stupid.

Without an LOA and manual configuration, just advertising a route via BGP to 
another ASN should not cause those routes to be accepted. Of course your 
upstream probably has these same rules, so your customer would have to give you 
an LOA that also goes to your upstream authorizing them to advertise those 
blocks.


From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Basically ,any IPs that SHOULD be sourced from your network. But yes, the idea 
behind BCP38 is to block src address packets originating from your network that 
SHOULD NOT. So yes, you should already have those rules to not all traffic from 
your network if it’s coming from a IP that should not come from your network, 
and yes that would include any customer originated traffic. 

 

An example, customer has 4 /19s and two /22s, plus has about 30 BGP peers for 
customer traffic.

 

The 5 prefixes would be allowed out, plus any prefixes learned by the bgp 
peers. If there were two upstream on the same router, both would have a line, 
if the SRC address is ! (not) customer prefixes, including the 5 prefixes they 
use, then it would be dropped on egress of the upstream ports. An example of 
this is

 

add action=drop chain=forward out-interface=ether17-internet 
src-address-list=!Inside-IPs

 

The inside_ips list include the local prefixes and the customer prefixes. 

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

 

Yeah, I’m missing what the big deal is here. If you’re talking about your 
border router to your upstream, why would you allow outbound traffic with 
source IPs outside your IP blocks? Allow your IPs, block the rest.

 

If you’re talking about other routers within your network and are wanting to 
stop the traffic at the source, it could get more complicated since I assume we 
all use some private IP space within our networks for various purposes mostly 
management addresses on network equipment.

 

Dennis mentions customer IPs, if you route customer blocks those would also be 
allowed, based on an LOA.

 

 

From: Dennis Burgess 

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:43 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

 

Very simple. In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind the core 
routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, plus any BGP 
prefixes learned from your customers. Then a simple, out interface (internet) 
drop if its not SRCed from that list. Not exactly IP tables, but there ya go..

 

 

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

 

Hey Mike,

 

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop this traffic?

 

Thanks,

Sean



On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Ty Featherling

I'm having the same problem with RocketAC. I'm trying to plan a link and
can't even figure how much capacity I can get at that distance with the
existing noise floor. It makes it hard to select the right tool for the job
without all the info.

-Ty

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Matt, that doesn't really help.

 In many areas, my noise/interference/whatever is -75. If I knew how much
 margin was required per modulation, I could figure out how much signal I
 need for that speed.

 I can't do that with your published numbers.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5

 Hi Mike,
 The numbers in our datasheet do convey the SNR (which assumes AWGN for
 noise value); this is pretty standard among all our datasheets.
 The noise floor value varies based on channel BW, so a rough estimate for
 noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm, 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm,
 10=-104dBm).

 As far as transmit power / modulation, all modulations up to 64QAM can run
 at full transmit power. 256QAM is ~2dB lower, and 1024QAM is something like
 4dB lower (it depends on other external factors).

 All of this and more is already provided with the integrated link
 configuration tool, including channel bandwidth, duplex frequency spacing,
 TX power and a bunch of other stuff. It's recommended to use this tool to
 configure links because of all of the additional factors.

 But if you need to run a simple link calc to estimate a link's performance
 at certain distance, you should have enough info.

 Hope that helps...

 -Matt


 On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  Not at all, Matt. Those are receive sensitivities.
 
 
  The left side of this picture is needed for the airFibers. You publish
 the
  right side only.
 
 
  This information is also not available for the airFibers.
 
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
  --
  *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com
  *To: *af@afmug.com
  *Sent: *Friday, January 9, 2015 5:34:43 PM
  *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Af5
 
  This?
  [image: Inline image 1]
 
  On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
 
  Hard to tell because they won't publish their Tx and SNR requirements.
  I'd just make educated guesses and plug it into a path calc.
 
  BTW: Ben, Matt... where are those numbers?
 
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
  --
  *From: *Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net
  *To: *af@afmug.com
  *Sent: *Thursday, January 8, 2015 3:24:58 PM
  *Subject: *[AFMUG] Af5
 
  I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max
  distance people are seeing for the AF 5 at full modulation
 
  Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

They apparently expect you to buy it, hang it and then try it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 2:27:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5 


I'm having the same problem with RocketAC. I'm trying to plan a link and can't 
even figure how much capacity I can get at that distance with the existing 
noise floor. It makes it hard to select the right tool for the job without all 
the info. 


-Ty 


On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 


Matt, that doesn't really help. 

In many areas, my noise/interference/whatever is -75. If I knew how much margin 
was required per modulation, I could figure out how much signal I need for that 
speed. 

I can't do that with your published numbers. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message - 
From: Matt Hardy  m...@ubnt.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST) 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5 

Hi Mike, 
The numbers in our datasheet do convey the SNR (which assumes AWGN for 
noise value); this is pretty standard among all our datasheets. 
The noise floor value varies based on channel BW, so a rough estimate for 
noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm, 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm, 
10=-104dBm). 

As far as transmit power / modulation, all modulations up to 64QAM can run 
at full transmit power. 256QAM is ~2dB lower, and 1024QAM is something like 
4dB lower (it depends on other external factors). 

All of this and more is already provided with the integrated link 
configuration tool, including channel bandwidth, duplex frequency spacing, 
TX power and a bunch of other stuff. It's recommended to use this tool to 
configure links because of all of the additional factors. 

But if you need to run a simple link calc to estimate a link's performance 
at certain distance, you should have enough info. 

Hope that helps... 

-Matt 


On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 

 Not at all, Matt. Those are receive sensitivities. 
 
 
 The left side of this picture is needed for the airFibers. You publish the 
 right side only. 
 
 
 This information is also not available for the airFibers. 
 
 
 
 - 
 Mike Hammett 
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 http://www.ics-il.com 
 
 -- 
 *From: *Matt Hardy  m...@ubnt.com  
 *To: * af@afmug.com 
 *Sent: *Friday, January 9, 2015 5:34:43 PM 
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Af5 
 
 This? 
 [image: Inline image 1] 
 
 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 
 
 Hard to tell because they won't publish their Tx and SNR requirements. 
 I'd just make educated guesses and plug it into a path calc. 
 
 BTW: Ben, Matt... where are those numbers? 
 
 
 
 - 
 Mike Hammett 
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 http://www.ics-il.com 
 
 -- 
 *From: *Craig House  cr...@totalhighspeed.net  
 *To: * af@afmug.com 
 *Sent: *Thursday, January 8, 2015 3:24:58 PM 
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Af5 


 
 I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max 
 distance people are seeing for the AF 5 at full modulation 
 
 Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

2015-01-12 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Jaime,

Do you happen to have model numbers?

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Monday, January 12, 2015, 4:01:55 PM, you wrote:

JS I have replaced several Wilsons with Axxel for business
JS clients with lots of phones.ï¿œï¿œï¿œ I know Chuck is using Wilson
JS version but he did have issues at first
JS On two farms with under 5 phones I used the Shireen dual band versions.ï¿œ

JS Jaime Solorza

JS On Jan 12, 2015 1:57 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com 
wrote:
JS af,

JS ï¿œ Cell phone extender recommendations.ï¿œ Wilson?ï¿œ Do they really work?

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[AFMUG] Cell phone extender

2015-01-12 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

af,

  Cell phone extender recommendations.  Wilson?  Do they really work?

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Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

2015-01-12 Thread Super WISP

Mark,

Take a look at our vendor Spotwave.

http://spotwave.com/

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Do you happen to have model numbers?

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Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

2015-01-12 Thread That One Guy

http://www.radioshack.com/wilson-460103-cell-signal-booster-kit-for-homes/1710470.html#start=1
is rock solid awesome for the home, I dont know if it would scale well to
the volume of phones that might be present

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I have replaced several Wilsons with Axxel for business clients with lots
 of phones.I know Chuck is using Wilson version but he did have issues
 at first
 On two farms with under 5 phones I used the Shireen dual band versions.

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 On Jan 12, 2015 1:57 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com
 wrote:

 af,

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Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

2015-01-12 Thread Mathew Howard

I can read Cyrillic... I just can't understand most of it...

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Cryllic

 Jaime Solorza
 On Jan 12, 2015 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


 http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat

Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

I know of bunch of people that can.

 

Anything you need out of it?

 




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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 2:49 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

 

I can read Cyrillic... I just can't understand most of it...

 

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com  wrote:

Cryllic 

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 12, 2015 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat

Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

Driving...will get u model numbers

Jaime Solorza
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 af,

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[AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat

Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

Cryllic

Jaime Solorza
On Jan 12, 2015 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


 http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

2015-01-12 Thread Eric Rogers

Don’t… at least not for a while.  We just got a couple to light a 10G link 
between datacenters, and right off the bat, it has a compatibility list of 
SFPs, so be sure to pick a Mikrotik SFP to plug into your UBNT switch… Second, 
just plugged into a Cisco switch in “switchport mode access” (through a cat5 
cable) it started causing all kinds of havoc in my server network… I just shut 
off the port to get the network back.

 

NOT REAL IMPRESSED…

 

Eric Rogers



  

www.pdsconnect.me

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

 

I need some extra data switch ports as well.  I have HP switches otherwise… but 
the price point makes this worth trying.

 

Guess I’ll see how it holds up :-)

 

Thanks for the feedback.

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

 

If it is just for powering the cameras you can also power them with the WB 
GIGE-POE-APC.  That is what we use to power the cameras (and everything else) 
at our office.

 

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

Looking to pick one up for the cameras for our new office.  What is the 
overall impression with them?

 

Also looking at the RF Armor + Toughswitch combo for rack mount – but 
the Edgeswitch seems like a better value.

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590

[AFMUG] Anyone seen this Canopy 450 reboot-o-matic log message?

2015-01-12 Thread Mark Radabaugh

And what did you do about it?

**System Startup** 
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset 
Software Version : CANOPY 13.2.1 SM-DES
Board Type : P11
Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-b1-5d-cb
FPGA Version : 081514
FPGA Features : DES, Sched;
12/31/2010 : 19:00:27 EST : :Timezone set to EST;
01/12/2015 : 16:59:22 EST : :Time Set
01/12/2015 : 17:00:43 EST : :Tsl Free list empty. Entries 0
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : :
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time Set
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : 
**System Startup** 
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset 
Software Version : CANOPY 13.2.1 SM-DES
Board Type : P11
Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-b1-5d-cb
FPGA Version : 081514
FPGA Features : DES, Sched;
12/31/2010 : 19:00:27 EST : :Timezone set to EST;
01/12/2015 : 17:01:25 EST : :Time Set
01/12/2015 : 17:02:48 EST : :Tsl Free list empty. Entries 0
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : :
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time Set
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : 
**System Startup** 
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset 
Software Version : CANOPY 13.2.1 SM-DES
Board Type : P11
Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-b1-5d-cb
FPGA Version : 081514
FPGA Features : DES, Sched;
12/31/2010 : 19:00:27 EST : :Timezone set to EST;
01/12/2015 : 17:03:30 EST : :Time Set
01/12/2015 : 17:04:29 EST : :Tsl Free list empty. Entries 0
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : :
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time Set
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : 
**System Startup** 
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset 
Software Version : CANOPY 13.2.1 SM-DES
Board Type : P11
Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-b1-5d-cb
FPGA Version : 081514
FPGA Features : DES, Sched;
12/31/2010 : 19:00:27 EST : :Timezone set to EST;
01/12/2015 : 17:05:12 EST : :Time Set
01/12/2015 : 17:06:30 EST : :Tsl Free list empty. Entries 0
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : :
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time Set
01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : 
**System Startup** 
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset 
Software Version : CANOPY 13.2.1 SM-DES
Board Type : P11
Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-b1-5d-cb
FPGA Version : 081514
FPGA Features : DES, Sched;
12/31/2010 : 19:00:30 EST : :Timezone set to EST;
01/12/2015 : 17:07:17 EST : :Time Set
01/12/2015 : 17:07:54 EST : :Web user; user=root; Reboot from Webpage;
01/12/2015 : 17:08:00 EST : :Forced reset;
01/12/2015 : 22:08:01 UTC :

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

2015-01-12 Thread Sterling Jacobson

I’ve got a couple of the 48 port edgeswitch units.

They are nice, but take some getting used to.

After the new firmware load they are a bit quieter too.
Initially the fans were like a f-16.

I am having issues with regular Force10/Dell 10Gbps SFP+ modules right now.
I got them to link up once or twice, but they seem loose in the SFP socket.

I’ve got some generic BIDI SFP+ 10Gbps modules in one and it works just fine.
So I guess it just depends.

I’ve got some VLANS on them and am powering some mFi and UBNT cameras as well 
as some Mikrotik off of them.

I like them better than the toughswitch already though for price/performance 
and features.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

Don’t… at least not for a while.  We just got a couple to light a 10G link 
between datacenters, and right off the bat, it has a compatibility list of 
SFPs, so be sure to pick a Mikrotik SFP to plug into your UBNT switch… Second, 
just plugged into a Cisco switch in “switchport mode access” (through a cat5 
cable) it started causing all kinds of havoc in my server network… I just shut 
off the port to get the network back.

NOT REAL IMPRESSED…

Eric Rogers
[PDSConnect_logo-Connecting You to the World - Signature Logo]
www.pdsconnect.me
(317) 831-3000 x200

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

I need some extra data switch ports as well.  I have HP switches otherwise… but 
the price point makes this worth trying.

Guess I’ll see how it holds up :-)

Thanks for the feedback.

Daniel White
(303) 746-3590

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

If it is just for powering the cameras you can also power them with the WB 
GIGE-POE-APC.  That is what we use to power the cameras (and everything else) 
at our office.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Daniel White 
afmu...@gmail.commailto:afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking to pick one up for the cameras for our new office.  What is the overall 
impression with them?

Also looking at the RF Armor + Toughswitch combo for rack mount – but the 
Edgeswitch seems like a better value.

Daniel White
(303) 746-3590tel:%28303%29%20746-3590

Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

Just like a good translation of the original article.  No big deal.  

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

I know of bunch of people that can.

Anything you need out of it?

 Daniel White | Managing Director

  SAF North America LLC

Cell:

(303) 746-3590

Skype:
   danieldwhite

E-mail:
   daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 2:49 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

I can read Cyrillic... I just can't understand most of it...

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

  Cryllic 

  Jaime Solorza

  On Jan 12, 2015 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

Better to have and not need it...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 12, 2015 10:18 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well I gave it the try.  Will see next week.  Don’t really need the SFP
 port… will probably plug it into my RB2011UaS using a copper port.



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 7:46 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch



 I have used various copper SFPs for testing to plug them into:
 edgerouters
 other edgeswitches
 2 HP switch models
 several accedian/performant units
 mikrotik RB2011's

 No problems so far.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer

 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 01/12/2015 01:09 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:

 Don’t… at least not for a while.  We just got a couple to light a 10G link 
 between datacenters, and right off the bat, it has a compatibility list of 
 SFPs, so be sure to pick a Mikrotik SFP to plug into your UBNT switch… 
 Second, just plugged into a Cisco switch in “switchport mode access” (through 
 a cat5 cable) it started causing all kinds of havoc in my server network… I 
 just shut off the port to get the network back.





 NOT REAL IMPRESSED…





 Eric Rogers











 www.pdsconnect.me



 (317) 831-3000 x200





 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
 Daniel White

 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 12:47 PM

 To: af@afmug.com

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch





 I need some extra data switch ports as well.  I have HP switches otherwise… 
 but the price point makes this worth trying.





 Guess I’ll see how it holds up :-)





 Thanks for the feedback.





 Daniel White



 (303) 746-3590





 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
 Jeremy

 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:03 AM

 To: af@afmug.com

 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch





 If it is just for powering the cameras you can also power them with the WB 
 GIGE-POE-APC.  That is what we use to power the cameras (and everything else) 
 at our office.





 On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com 
 afmu...@gmail.com wrote:



  Looking to pick one up for the cameras for our new office.  What is the 
 overall impression with them?





  Also looking at the RF Armor + Toughswitch combo for rack mount – but the 
 Edgeswitch seems like a better value.





  Daniel White



  (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 %28303%29%20746-3590

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

Agreed :-)

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

 

Better to have and not need it...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2015 10:18 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com  wrote:

Well I gave it the try.  Will see next week.  Don’t really need the SFP port… 
will probably plug it into my RB2011UaS using a copper port.

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 7:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

 

I have used various copper SFPs for testing to plug them into:
edgerouters
other edgeswitches
2 HP switch models
several accedian/performant units
mikrotik RB2011's

No problems so far.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com 

On 01/12/2015 01:09 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:

Don’t… at least not for a while.  We just got a couple to light a 10G link 
between datacenters, and right off the bat, it has a compatibility list of 
SFPs, so be sure to pick a Mikrotik SFP to plug into your UBNT switch… Second, 
just plugged into a Cisco switch in “switchport mode access” (through a cat5 
cable) it started causing all kinds of havoc in my server network… I just shut 
off the port to get the network back.
 
 
 
NOT REAL IMPRESSED…
 
 
 
Eric Rogers
 
 
 
  
 
www.pdsconnect.me http://www.pdsconnect.me 
 
(317) 831-3000 x200 tel:%28317%29%20831-3000%20x200 
 
 
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch
 
 
 
I need some extra data switch ports as well.  I have HP switches otherwise… but 
the price point makes this worth trying.
 
 
 
Guess I’ll see how it holds up :-)
 
 
 
Thanks for the feedback.
 
 
 
Daniel White
 
(303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 
 
 
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch
 
 
 
If it is just for powering the cameras you can also power them with the WB 
GIGE-POE-APC.  That is what we use to power the cameras (and everything else) 
at our office.
 
 
 
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Daniel White  mailto:afmu...@gmail.com 
afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Looking to pick one up for the cameras for our new office.  What is the 
overall impression with them?
 
  
 
 Also looking at the RF Armor + Toughswitch combo for rack mount – but the 
Edgeswitch seems like a better value.
 
  
 
 Daniel White
 
 (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590  tel:%28303%29%20746-3590

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

Do you think it will hold up in the wind? One of our technicians used to 
install satellite TV and he is concerned that it might not be sturdy enough.


Josh Luthman wrote:


A jpole with bracket?  You can't do just a jpole?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2015 7:42 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:


As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to use
dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic
mounts that we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load
we'll need to go with heavier duty mounts with the brace arms. 
Does anyone have vendor or product recommendation for mounting

brackets with brace arms?  Best practice recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] List issue

The email addy I was using before (since the AF list was the part-15
list)... so many years worked fine until Amazon SES got in the way and
proclaimed that our email server was not DMARC-compliant.

My posts to the list would go IN (they show up in the AF archive), BUT
they would not go out.

Sounds exactly like the problem you're having.

So check the AF archive and see if your emails are going in. If that;s
true, you need a DMARC-compliant email server.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I will post this to the list. Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they
just disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my
queue.

Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming
back to me via list. I was responding about your russian translation
question.

vlad

On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Mine seems normal.
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
*To:* ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
is it just me, or is the list being laggy?

Vlad

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Re: [AFMUG] List issue

2015-01-12 Thread Paul McCall

Bill... His issue was much more simple.

He just had never replied to the Amazon verification...   the easiest way to 
get back flowing is the un-sub and re-sub Which he did

Of course, you're email headers were being mangled which is very different

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List issue

The email addy I was using before (since the AF list was the part-15 list)... 
so many years worked fine until Amazon SES got in the way and proclaimed that 
our email server was not DMARC-compliant.

My posts to the list would go IN (they show up in the AF archive), BUT they 
would not go out.

Sounds exactly like the problem you're having.

So check the AF archive and see if your emails are going in.ï¿½ If that;s true, 
you need a DMARC-compliant email server.

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I will post this to the list.ï¿½ Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.ï¿½
ï¿½
From: Vlad Sedovmailto:v...@atlasok.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
To: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
ï¿½
Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they just 
disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
ï¿½
From: Vlad Sedovmailto:v...@atlasok.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
To: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
ï¿½
hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back to me 
via list. I was responding about your russian translation question.

vlad

On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Mine seems normal.
ï¿½
From: Vlad Sedovmailto:v...@atlasok.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
To: ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
ï¿½
is it just me, or is the list being laggy?

Vlad

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Re: [AFMUG] Af5

I am looking for the amount of signal I need over all sources of noise, 
interference, bad things, etc. (collectively known in the WISP industry as 
noise) per modulation. 

I want to poke numbers into Radio Mobile, get a signal, subtract the observed 
noise by my existing equipment and compare that number to the per modulation 
requirements to know how fast I can go. 

The Tx numbers seem to be easy enough to determine... put them in the 
datasheet. 

I don't want to have to buy an AF5 just to use the AF5's built-in calculator. 
Now I buy an AF24 just to use that calculator. Now I buy an AF24HD to use its 
calculator. UBNT seems to love the calculator, but I'm not going to spend $11k 
to get three expensive calculators. 

Is UBNT afraid of confusing the enterprise folks with a table of numbers they 
don't understand? Is there something in the numbers they're embarrassed of? 

Again, I provided screen shots of existing UBNT documentation showing the 
desired numbers for other UBNT products. I'm not asking for SFP interfaces or 
anything like that. ;-) 

How hard can it be? - Jeremy Clarkson 

I believe UBNT has now expended more effort avoiding complying with the request 
than if they had just done it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:44:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5 


Hi, 


I believe the number you are looking for is the sensitivity per modulation rate 
minus the base noise floor for a given bandwidth (see Matt's earlier post). 
This gives you the required signal over the noise floor. If the noise floor 
goes up, the effective sensitivity goes up accordingly. 


What am I missing? 


Chuck 


On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Josh Reynolds  j...@spitwspots.com  wrote: 




This. 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/12/2015 11:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 

blockquote
Matt, that doesn't really help.

In many areas, my noise/interference/whatever is -75. If I knew how much margin 
was required per modulation, I could figure out how much signal I need for that 
speed.

I can't do that with your published numbers.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message 
-
From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 
12:42:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5

Hi Mike,
The numbers in our datasheet do convey the SNR (which assumes AWGN for
noise value); this is pretty standard among all our datasheets.
The noise floor value varies based on channel BW, so a rough estimate for
noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm, 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm,
10=-104dBm).

As far as transmit power / modulation, all modulations up to 64QAM can run
at full transmit power. 256QAM is ~2dB lower, and 1024QAM is something like
4dB lower (it depends on other external factors).

All of this and more is already provided with the integrated link
configuration tool, including channel bandwidth, duplex frequency spacing,
TX power and a bunch of other stuff. It's recommended to use this tool to
configure links because of all of the additional factors.

But if you need to run a simple link calc to estimate a link's performance
at certain distance, you should have enough info.

Hope that helps...

-Matt


On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: 
blockquote
Not at all, Matt. Those are receive sensitivities.


The left side of this picture is needed for the airFibers. You publish the
right side only.


This information is also not available for the airFibers.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com 
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*From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com *To: * af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, 
January 9, 2015 5:34:43 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Af5

This?
[image: Inline image 1]

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: 
blockquote
Hard to tell because they won't publish their Tx and SNR requirements.
I'd just make educated guesses and plug it into a path calc.

BTW: Ben, Matt... where are those numbers?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com 
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*From: *Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net *To: * af@afmug.com *Sent: 
*Thursday, January 8, 2015 3:24:58 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Af5

I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max
distance people are seeing for the AF 5 at full modulation

Sent from my iPhone 


/blockquote

/blockquote


/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

Could you get a weak signal where you where, or no signal? Did you match 
up the right frequencies?


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 01/12/2015 11:58 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Didn't work for me =/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies m...@mailmt.com

wrote:
af,

   Cell phone extender recommendations.  Wilson?  Do they really work?

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Re: [AFMUG] Af5


This.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 01/12/2015 11:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Matt, that doesn't really help.

In many areas, my noise/interference/whatever is -75. If I knew how much margin 
was required per modulation, I could figure out how much signal I need for that 
speed.

I can't do that with your published numbers.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5

Hi Mike,
The numbers in our datasheet do convey the SNR (which assumes AWGN for
noise value); this is pretty standard among all our datasheets.
The noise floor value varies based on channel BW, so a rough estimate for
noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm, 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm,
10=-104dBm).

As far as transmit power / modulation, all modulations up to 64QAM can run
at full transmit power. 256QAM is ~2dB lower, and 1024QAM is something like
4dB lower (it depends on other external factors).

All of this and more is already provided with the integrated link
configuration tool, including channel bandwidth, duplex frequency spacing,
TX power and a bunch of other stuff. It's recommended to use this tool to
configure links because of all of the additional factors.

But if you need to run a simple link calc to estimate a link's performance
at certain distance, you should have enough info.

Hope that helps...

-Matt


On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:


Not at all, Matt. Those are receive sensitivities.


The left side of this picture is needed for the airFibers. You publish the
right side only.


This information is also not available for the airFibers.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

--
*From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, January 9, 2015 5:34:43 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Af5

This?
[image: Inline image 1]

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:


Hard to tell because they won't publish their Tx and SNR requirements.
I'd just make educated guesses and plug it into a path calc.

BTW: Ben, Matt... where are those numbers?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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*From: *Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, January 8, 2015 3:24:58 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Af5

I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max
distance people are seeing for the AF 5 at full modulation

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450 SM Pricing

2015-01-12 Thread CARL PETERSON


Anyone know what sort of quantities they require?  Feel free to reply off-list.


On Dec 31, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 There is a Volume Purchase Agreement (VPA) available.
 
 The original version was pretty awful; but it’s improved.   I can’t tell if 
 they are still tying AP sales to CPE sales (which I wish they wouldn’t do), 
 but there are some decent price breaks available.
 
 Mark
 
 
 On Dec 31, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 These things are still pretty pricey with all the competition out
 there.  Does Cambium have any price breaks for 100 lot etc?

Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

No actually, was wondering if this guy was using the Lithium compound.  Kinda 
sounds like he is doing that too.  I just need to get one of these things 
built.  

From: Vlad Sedov 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

Ahem. now that the list is working for me...
the original pdf is pretty long.. the tl;dr version is basically this:

conclusion:
experiments with the analog high-temperature thermal generator Rossi, loaded 
with a mix of Nickel and Lithium aluminium hydride, showed that at temps around 
1000C and above, this device can produce more energy than it consumes.

need more detail?

vlad

On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat

Re: [AFMUG] List issue

I hear you loud and clear

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote:

  Unsubbed and re-subbed.

 Testing.

 vlad


 On 1/12/2015 5:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I resubscribed to the afmug list with a dedicated email address.ï¿½ If I
 forget and post from my main email address, thatï¿½s what happens, it
 silently disappears.ï¿½ Of course, if I reply to a post, my email client
 automatically uses the correct From address.
 ï¿½
 So first thing I would check is whether the email address you are sending
 from is the one you are subscribed with on the list.
 ï¿½
  ï¿½
  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 5:11 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com ; Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] List issue
  ï¿½
   I will post this to the list.ï¿½ Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.ï¿½
  ï¿½
  *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
 *To:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
  ï¿½
  Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they
 just disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

 Vlad

 On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
  ï¿½
  *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
 *To:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
  ï¿½
  hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back
 to me via list. I was responding about your russian translation question.


 vlad

 On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Mine seems normal.
  ï¿½
  *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
 *To:* ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
  ï¿½
  is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


 Vlad

 On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


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[AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to use dishes 
on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic mounts that 
we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load we'll need to go with 
heavier duty mounts with the brace arms.  Does anyone have vendor or 
product recommendation for mounting brackets with brace arms?  Best 
practice recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes


That's encouraging. Were they like the Cambium reflector dishes?

Josh Luthman wrote:


Most of ours did during ike.  That was 80 mph.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2015 7:49 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:


Do you think it will hold up in the wind? One of our technicians
used to install satellite TV and he is concerned that it might not
be sturdy enough.

Josh Luthman wrote:


A jpole with bracket?  You can't do just a jpole?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2015 7:42 PM, Jay Weekley
par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need
to use
dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic
mounts that we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load
we'll need to go with heavier duty mounts with the brace
arms. Does anyone have vendor or product recommendation
for mounting
brackets with brace arms?  Best practice recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

KP reflectors.  All of them.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 12, 2015 7:55 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 That's encouraging. Were they like the Cambium reflector dishes?

 Josh Luthman wrote:


 Most of ours did during ike.  That was 80 mph.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jan 12, 2015 7:49 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net
 mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 Do you think it will hold up in the wind? One of our technicians
 used to install satellite TV and he is concerned that it might not
 be sturdy enough.

 Josh Luthman wrote:


 A jpole with bracket?  You can't do just a jpole?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jan 12, 2015 7:42 PM, Jay Weekley
 par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
 mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
 mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need
 to use
 dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic
 mounts that we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load
 we'll need to go with heavier duty mounts with the brace
 arms. Does anyone have vendor or product recommendation
 for mounting
 brackets with brace arms?  Best practice recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch


I have used various copper SFPs for testing to plug them into:
edgerouters
other edgeswitches
2 HP switch models
several accedian/performant units
mikrotik RB2011's

No problems so far.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 01/12/2015 01:09 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:

Don’t… at least not for a while.  We just got a couple to light a 10G link 
between datacenters, and right off the bat, it has a compatibility list of 
SFPs, so be sure to pick a Mikrotik SFP to plug into your UBNT switch… Second, 
just plugged into a Cisco switch in “switchport mode access” (through a cat5 
cable) it started causing all kinds of havoc in my server network… I just shut 
off the port to get the network back.

  


NOT REAL IMPRESSED…

  


Eric Rogers



   


www.pdsconnect.me

(317) 831-3000 x200

  


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

  


I need some extra data switch ports as well.  I have HP switches otherwise… but 
the price point makes this worth trying.

  


Guess I’ll see how it holds up :-)

  


Thanks for the feedback.

  


Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

  


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

  


If it is just for powering the cameras you can also power them with the WB 
GIGE-POE-APC.  That is what we use to power the cameras (and everything else) 
at our office.

  


On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

Looking to pick one up for the cameras for our new office.  What is the 
overall impression with them?



Also looking at the RF Armor + Toughswitch combo for rack mount – but 
the Edgeswitch seems like a better value.



Daniel White

(303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590

Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

I have used these in for Nextel (long ago ), Sprint , Verizon, T-Mobile and
ATT
The DigiMini
http://axellwireless.com/products/rest-of-the-world/cellular-off-air-repeaters/multi-band/

For small projects  I have used this one
http://www.shireeninc.com/dual-band-repeater/

The key is to have good separation from antenna on roof or tower and ones
inside.

What kind of service are you trying to improve?  Shireen has been testing
an LTE model ...


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

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 wrote:

 af,

   Cell phone extender recommendations.  Wilson?  Do they really work?

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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

All the above.  We prefer the side of the house, or on the fascia if 
it's possible to do LOS in such a spot.  We'll put it on the roof as a 
last resort, but only if that's the only place we can get LOS (did one 
on the peak of the roof today, but it was the only place on the property 
where LOS was even possible).


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 7:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Are those on the side of a house, the roof or both?

Bill Prince wrote:
We use the normal J-mount brackets that come with the dishes.  They 
work fine up here, and we had 80 MPH winds a few weeks ago.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 4:42 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to use 
dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic 
mounts that we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load we'll 
need to go with heavier duty mounts with the brace arms.  Does 
anyone have vendor or product recommendation for mounting brackets 
with brace arms? Best practice recommendations?

[AFMUG] 3 weeks until Animal Farm - Register today!

2015-01-12 Thread Traci

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

Direct TV suppliers sell support strut kits but for 2” J-pipes which are now 
standard in the sat TV industry.  I have bought struts for 1.66” J-pipes from 
AI Satellite but they are annoying to install, they don’t pivot in the right 
places to line up right.  I wish the WISP industry would go to 2” pipes, or 
else someone would sell a decent strut kit for the 1.66” pipes.

I am also seeing sat TV installers go to these stubby mounts on roofs instead 
of the J-pipes, but again, 2” OD.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 7:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

KP reflectors.  All of them.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2015 7:55 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

  That's encouraging. Were they like the Cambium reflector dishes?

  Josh Luthman wrote:


Most of ours did during ike.  That was 80 mph.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2015 7:49 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

Do you think it will hold up in the wind? One of our technicians
used to install satellite TV and he is concerned that it might not
be sturdy enough.

Josh Luthman wrote:


A jpole with bracket?  You can't do just a jpole?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2015 7:42 PM, Jay Weekley
par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need
to use
dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic
mounts that we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load
we'll need to go with heavier duty mounts with the brace
arms. Does anyone have vendor or product recommendation
for mounting
brackets with brace arms?  Best practice recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] List issue

Your...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 12, 2015 8:52 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  Bill… His issue was much more simple.



 He just had never replied to the Amazon verification…   the easiest way to
 get back “flowing” is the un-sub and re-sub…. Which he did



 Of course, you’re email headers were being mangled which is very different



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 8:41 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List issue



 The email addy I was using before (since the AF list was the part-15
 list)... so many years worked fine until Amazon SES got in the way and
 proclaimed that our email server was not DMARC-compliant.

 My posts to the list would go IN (they show up in the AF archive), BUT
 they would not go out.

 Sounds exactly like the problem you're having.

 So check the AF archive and see if your emails are going in.ï¿½ If that;s
 true, you need a DMARC-compliant email server.


  bp

 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



 On 1/12/2015 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

   I will post this to the list.ï¿½ Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.ï¿½

 ï¿½

 *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com

 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM

 *To:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

 ï¿½

 Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they just
 disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

 Vlad

 On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

   Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?

 ï¿½

 *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com

 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM

 *To:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

 ï¿½

 hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back to
 me via list. I was responding about your russian translation question.


 vlad

 On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

   Mine seems normal.

 ï¿½

 *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com

 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM

 *To:* ch...@wbmfg.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

 ï¿½

 is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


 Vlad

 On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes


Are those on the side of a house, the roof or both?

Bill Prince wrote:
We use the normal J-mount brackets that come with the dishes.  They 
work fine up here, and we had 80 MPH winds a few weeks ago.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 4:42 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to use 
dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic mounts 
that we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load we'll need to 
go with heavier duty mounts with the brace arms.  Does anyone have 
vendor or product recommendation for mounting brackets with brace 
arms?  Best practice recommendations?

[AFMUG] List issue

I will post this to the list.  Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.  

From: Vlad Sedov 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they just 
disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?

  From: Vlad Sedov 
  Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

  hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back to me 
via list. I was responding about your russian translation question. 

  vlad

  On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Mine seems normal.

From: Vlad Sedov 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

is it just me, or is the list being laggy?

Vlad

On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

2015-01-12 Thread Vlad Sedov


Ahem. now that the list is working for me...
the original pdf is pretty long.. the tl;dr version is basically this:

conclusion:
experiments with the analog high-temperature thermal generator Rossi, 
loaded with a mix of Nickel and Lithium aluminium hydride, showed that 
at temps around 1000C and above, this device can produce more energy 
than it consumes.


need more detail?

vlad

On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes


Is that a 2.4 connectorized ePMP with two yagis?

Jaime Solorza wrote:

here are some different ways as well

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jaime Solorza 
losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:


Like these


http://www.radioshack.com/4-antenna-mast-wall-mount/1500883.html?utm_source=GooglePLAutm_medium=plautm_term=1500883cid=iP:PLA:RSO:Googlegclid=CLnS7O7jj8MCFUrIKgodZTkAiAgclsrc=ds#.VLRvwSvF-So

or these

http://www.ronard.com/100204.html


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Jay Weekley
par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to
use dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the
basic mounts that we've used for yagis will hold up to the
wind load we'll need to go with heavier duty mounts with the
brace arms.  Does anyone have vendor or product recommendation
for mounting brackets with brace arms?  Best practice
recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] List issue

We don't host our own email servers; never have.

The company that provides our email mangles the from address to some
generic email address, or alias within their email system. Like this:

Jan 4 22:10:27 ip-x-x-x-x postfix/qmgr[2576]: DBC50A0A90:

*from=SRS0=fEDV.t=BX=skylinebroadbandservice.com=part...@yourhostingaccount.com

mailto:SRS0=fEDV.t=BX=skylinebroadbandservice.com=part...@yourhostingaccount.com*,

We've asked several times for them to correct it, but they never have.
It's never been an issue, until Amazon SES came along.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 7:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I donï¿½t follow what you mean by DMARC-compliant. I thought DMARC was
a way for a domain owner to specify what to do if an email purporting
to be from that domain fails DKIM or SPF checks. Were you sending
from your own domain, and if so, what DMARC policy is specified in
your DNS records? Or were you sending from a major email provider
like Yahoo or AOL that had started publishing a DMARC policy of
reject? I think I saw that was causing a problem with some lists.
I send from my own domain through my own domain server, and have done
nothing about DMARC, yet I have no problems. If there is something you
must do to make your mailserver ï¿½DMARC compliantï¿½, I doubt I have done it.
If you were sending through your own mailserver from a Yahoo or AOL
address, yes that would cause a problem.

*From:* Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 7:41 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List issue
The email addy I was using before (since the AF list was the part-15
list)... so many years worked fine until Amazon SES got in the way and
proclaimed that our email server was not DMARC-compliant.

My posts to the list would go IN (they show up in the AF archive), BUT
they would not go out.

Sounds exactly like the problem you're having.

So check the AF archive and see if your emails are going in.ï¿½ If
that;s true, you need a DMARC-compliant email server.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I will post this to the list.ï¿½ Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.ï¿½
ï¿½
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
ï¿½
Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they
just disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my
queue.

Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
ï¿½
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
ï¿½
hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming
back to me via list. I was responding about your russian translation
question.

vlad

On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Mine seems normal.
ï¿½
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
*To:* ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
ï¿½
is it just me, or is the list being laggy?

Vlad

On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat

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Re: [AFMUG] List issue

I resubscribed to the afmug list with a dedicated email address.  If I forget 
and post from my main email address, that’s what happens, it silently 
disappears.  Of course, if I reply to a post, my email client automatically 
uses the correct From address.

So first thing I would check is whether the email address you are sending from 
is the one you are subscribed with on the list.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; Vlad Sedov 
Subject: [AFMUG] List issue

I will post this to the list.  Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.  

From: Vlad Sedov 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they just 
disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?

  From: Vlad Sedov 
  Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

  hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back to me 
via list. I was responding about your russian translation question. 


  vlad

  On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Mine seems normal.

From: Vlad Sedov 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


Vlad

On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  
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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes


yup.

better than most of the other places I've been.

;-)

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


California has weather? :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 12, 2015 8:44 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:


We use the normal J-mount brackets that come with the dishes. 
They work fine up here, and we had 80 MPH winds a few weeks ago.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 4:42 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to
use dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the
basic mounts that we've used for yagis will hold up to the
wind load we'll need to go with heavier duty mounts with the
brace arms.  Does anyone have vendor or product recommendation
for mounting brackets with brace arms?  Best practice
recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] List issue

I don’t follow what you mean by DMARC-compliant.  I thought DMARC was a way for 
a domain owner to specify what to do if an email purporting to be from that 
domain fails DKIM or SPF checks.  Were you sending from your own domain, and if 
so, what DMARC policy is specified in your DNS records?  Or were you sending 
from a major email provider like Yahoo or AOL that had started publishing a 
DMARC policy of reject?  I think I saw that was causing a problem with some 
lists.

I send from my own domain through my own domain server, and have done nothing 
about DMARC, yet I have no problems.  If there is something you must do to make 
your mailserver “DMARC compliant”, I doubt I have done it.

If you were sending through your own mailserver from a Yahoo or AOL address, 
yes that would cause a problem.


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 7:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List issue

The email addy I was using before (since the AF list was the part-15 list)... 
so many years worked fine until Amazon SES got in the way and proclaimed that 
our email server was not DMARC-compliant.

My posts to the list would go IN (they show up in the AF archive), BUT they 
would not go out.

Sounds exactly like the problem you're having.

So check the AF archive and see if your emails are going in.ï¿½ If that;s true, 
you need a DMARC-compliant email server.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I will post this to the list.ï¿½ Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.ï¿½ 
  ï¿½
  From: Vlad Sedov 
  Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
  ï¿½
  Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they just 
disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

  Vlad

  On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
ï¿½
From: Vlad Sedov 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
ï¿½
hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back to 
me via list. I was responding about your russian translation question. 


vlad

On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Mine seems normal.
  ï¿½
  From: Vlad Sedov 
  Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
  To: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
  ï¿½
  is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


  Vlad

  On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

Well I gave it the try.  Will see next week.  Don’t really need the SFP port… 
will probably plug it into my RB2011UaS using a copper port.

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 7:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

 

I have used various copper SFPs for testing to plug them into:
edgerouters
other edgeswitches
2 HP switch models
several accedian/performant units
mikrotik RB2011's

No problems so far.



josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com 

On 01/12/2015 01:09 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:

Don’t… at least not for a while.  We just got a couple to light a 10G link 
between datacenters, and right off the bat, it has a compatibility list of 
SFPs, so be sure to pick a Mikrotik SFP to plug into your UBNT switch… Second, 
just plugged into a Cisco switch in “switchport mode access” (through a cat5 
cable) it started causing all kinds of havoc in my server network… I just shut 
off the port to get the network back.
 
 
 
NOT REAL IMPRESSED…
 
 
 
Eric Rogers
 
 
 
  
 
www.pdsconnect.me http://www.pdsconnect.me 
 
(317) 831-3000 x200
 
 
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch
 
 
 
I need some extra data switch ports as well.  I have HP switches otherwise… but 
the price point makes this worth trying.
 
 
 
Guess I’ll see how it holds up :-)
 
 
 
Thanks for the feedback.
 
 
 
Daniel White
 
(303) 746-3590
 
 
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch
 
 
 
If it is just for powering the cameras you can also power them with the WB 
GIGE-POE-APC.  That is what we use to power the cameras (and everything else) 
at our office.
 
 
 
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Daniel White  mailto:afmu...@gmail.com 
afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Looking to pick one up for the cameras for our new office.  What is the 
overall impression with them?
 
  
 
 Also looking at the RF Armor + Toughswitch combo for rack mount – but the 
Edgeswitch seems like a better value.
 
  
 
 Daniel White
 
 (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

Ubnt Rocket 900 I installed years ago for surveillance cameras at Tornillo
High School where we had no fiber or Cat 6 presence. Three cameras in areas
back of power and HVAC systems.   Kids would smoke and fool around until we
installed them.

Jaime Solorza
On Jan 12, 2015 8:10 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 Is that a 2.4 connectorized ePMP with two yagis?

 Jaime Solorza wrote:

 here are some different ways as well

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Like these

 http://www.radioshack.com/4-antenna-mast-wall-mount/
 1500883.html?utm_source=GooglePLAutm_medium=plautm_
 term=1500883cid=iP:PLA:RSO:Googlegclid=CLnS7O7jj8MCFUrIKgodZTkAiA
 gclsrc=ds#.VLRvwSvF-So

 or these

 http://www.ronard.com/100204.html


 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390

 On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Jay Weekley
 par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to
 use dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the
 basic mounts that we've used for yagis will hold up to the
 wind load we'll need to go with heavier duty mounts with the
 brace arms.  Does anyone have vendor or product recommendation
 for mounting brackets with brace arms?  Best practice
 recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] List issue

2015-01-12 Thread Vlad Sedov


Unsubbed and re-subbed.

Testing.

vlad


On 1/12/2015 5:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I resubscribed to the afmug list with a dedicated email address.  If I 
forget and post from my main email address, thatï¿½s what happens, it 
silently disappears.  Of course, if I reply to a post, my email client 
automatically uses the correct From address.
So first thing I would check is whether the email address you are 
sending from is the one you are subscribed with on the list.

*From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 5:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com ; Vlad Sedov 
mailto:v...@atlasok.com

*Subject:* [AFMUG] List issue
I will post this to the list.  Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they 
just disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my 
queue.


Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming 
back to me via list. I was responding about your russian translation 
question.



vlad

On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Mine seems normal.
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
*To:* ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


Vlad

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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

Most of ours did during ike.  That was 80 mph.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 12, 2015 7:49 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 Do you think it will hold up in the wind? One of our technicians used to
 install satellite TV and he is concerned that it might not be sturdy enough.

 Josh Luthman wrote:


 A jpole with bracket?  You can't do just a jpole?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jan 12, 2015 7:42 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net
 mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to use
 dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic
 mounts that we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load
 we'll need to go with heavier duty mounts with the brace arms.
  Does anyone have vendor or product recommendation for mounting
 brackets with brace arms?  Best practice recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

Like these

http://www.radioshack.com/4-antenna-mast-wall-mount/1500883.html?utm_source=GooglePLAutm_medium=plautm_term=1500883cid=iP:PLA:RSO:Googlegclid=CLnS7O7jj8MCFUrIKgodZTkAiAgclsrc=ds#.VLRvwSvF-So

or these

http://www.ronard.com/100204.html


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net
wrote:

 As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to use dishes on
 a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic mounts that we've used
 for yagis will hold up to the wind load we'll need to go with heavier duty
 mounts with the brace arms.  Does anyone have vendor or product
 recommendation for mounting brackets with brace arms?  Best practice
 recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

California has weather? :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 12, 2015 8:44 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

 We use the normal J-mount brackets that come with the dishes.  They work
 fine up here, and we had 80 MPH winds a few weeks ago.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 1/12/2015 4:42 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

 As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to use dishes
 on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic mounts that we've
 used for yagis will hold up to the wind load we'll need to go with heavier
 duty mounts with the brace arms.  Does anyone have vendor or product
 recommendation for mounting brackets with brace arms?  Best practice
 recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 2.4 ePMP with dishes

We use the normal J-mount brackets that come with the dishes.  They work 
fine up here, and we had 80 MPH winds a few weeks ago.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 4:42 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
As we begin deploying 2.4 ePMP it looks like we will need to use 
dishes on a number of customers. Since I don't think the basic mounts 
that we've used for yagis will hold up to the wind load we'll need to 
go with heavier duty mounts with the brace arms.  Does anyone have 
vendor or product recommendation for mounting brackets with brace 
arms?  Best practice recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

2015-01-12 Thread Sean Heskett

Can I come hang out with you in your secret laboratory and help you build
it?!?!

Sounds like a fun project...and potentially a world changing device!!

On Monday, January 12, 2015, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   No actually, was wondering if this guy was using the Lithium compound.
 Kinda sounds like he is doing that too.  I just need to get one of these
 things built.

  *From:* Vlad Sedov javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','v...@atlasok.com');
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 4:48 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

  Ahem. now that the list is working for me...
 the original pdf is pretty long.. the tl;dr version is basically this:

 conclusion:
 experiments with the analog high-temperature thermal generator Rossi,
 loaded with a mix of Nickel and Lithium aluminium hydride, showed that at
 temps around 1000C and above, this device can produce more energy than it
 consumes.

 need more detail?

 vlad

 On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


 http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Chuck Macenski

Hi,

I believe the number you are looking for is the sensitivity per modulation
rate minus the base noise floor for a given bandwidth (see Matt's earlier
post). This gives you the required signal over the noise floor. If the
noise floor goes up, the effective sensitivity goes up accordingly.

What am I missing?

Chuck

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  This.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 01/12/2015 11:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Matt, that doesn't really help.

 In many areas, my noise/interference/whatever is -75. If I knew how much 
 margin was required per modulation, I could figure out how much signal I need 
 for that speed.

 I can't do that with your published numbers.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com m...@ubnt.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5

 Hi Mike,
 The numbers in our datasheet do convey the SNR (which assumes AWGN for
 noise value); this is pretty standard among all our datasheets.
 The noise floor value varies based on channel BW, so a rough estimate for
 noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm, 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm,
 10=-104dBm).

 As far as transmit power / modulation, all modulations up to 64QAM can run
 at full transmit power. 256QAM is ~2dB lower, and 1024QAM is something like
 4dB lower (it depends on other external factors).

 All of this and more is already provided with the integrated link
 configuration tool, including channel bandwidth, duplex frequency spacing,
 TX power and a bunch of other stuff. It's recommended to use this tool to
 configure links because of all of the additional factors.

 But if you need to run a simple link calc to estimate a link's performance
 at certain distance, you should have enough info.

 Hope that helps...

 -Matt


 On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net 
 af...@ics-il.net wrote:


  Not at all, Matt. Those are receive sensitivities.


 The left side of this picture is needed for the airFibers. You publish the
 right side only.


 This information is also not available for the airFibers.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com m...@ubnt.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 9, 2015 5:34:43 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Af5

 This?
 [image: Inline image 1]

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net 
 af...@ics-il.net wrote:


  Hard to tell because they won't publish their Tx and SNR requirements.
 I'd just make educated guesses and plug it into a path calc.

 BTW: Ben, Matt... where are those numbers?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, January 8, 2015 3:24:58 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Af5

 I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max
 distance people are seeing for the AF 5 at full modulation

 Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Jeremy

So, am I understanding correctly... If you are on a 50MHz Channel BW with a
signal of -58 you need a noise floor of -97 to maintain 1024QAM.  So, if
the noise floor is -75 we are 22db off so you can add that to -58 and
figure -80, or QPSK.  Is this the correct math?

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I believe the number you are looking for is the sensitivity per modulation
 rate minus the base noise floor for a given bandwidth (see Matt's earlier
 post). This gives you the required signal over the noise floor. If the
 noise floor goes up, the effective sensitivity goes up accordingly.

 What am I missing?

 Chuck

 On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 wrote:

  This.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 01/12/2015 11:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Matt, that doesn't really help.

 In many areas, my noise/interference/whatever is -75. If I knew how much 
 margin was required per modulation, I could figure out how much signal I 
 need for that speed.

 I can't do that with your published numbers.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com m...@ubnt.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5

 Hi Mike,
 The numbers in our datasheet do convey the SNR (which assumes AWGN for
 noise value); this is pretty standard among all our datasheets.
 The noise floor value varies based on channel BW, so a rough estimate for
 noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm, 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm,
 10=-104dBm).

 As far as transmit power / modulation, all modulations up to 64QAM can run
 at full transmit power. 256QAM is ~2dB lower, and 1024QAM is something like
 4dB lower (it depends on other external factors).

 All of this and more is already provided with the integrated link
 configuration tool, including channel bandwidth, duplex frequency spacing,
 TX power and a bunch of other stuff. It's recommended to use this tool to
 configure links because of all of the additional factors.

 But if you need to run a simple link calc to estimate a link's performance
 at certain distance, you should have enough info.

 Hope that helps...

 -Matt


 On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net 
 af...@ics-il.net wrote:


  Not at all, Matt. Those are receive sensitivities.


 The left side of this picture is needed for the airFibers. You publish the
 right side only.


 This information is also not available for the airFibers.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com m...@ubnt.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 9, 2015 5:34:43 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Af5

 This?
 [image: Inline image 1]

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net 
 af...@ics-il.net wrote:


  Hard to tell because they won't publish their Tx and SNR requirements.
 I'd just make educated guesses and plug it into a path calc.

 BTW: Ben, Matt... where are those numbers?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, January 8, 2015 3:24:58 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Af5

 I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max
 distance people are seeing for the AF 5 at full modulation

 Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Chuck Macenski

Hi,

Had to wake up and check this. Your math is correct. There are some
subtleties regarding the shape of the noise relative to spectrum...these
numbers assume an even noise distribution across the band. If you added 2
dB to the received signal (or aimed your antennas to pull the noise floor
down to -77), you would bump to 16QAM.  At -75 dBm noise floor, you have 22
dB of interference/noise inside the path of the directional antennas.

Having said that, if you choose an Rx and Tx frequency that are very close
to each other and you are running in full duplex mode, the noise floor will
rise as a result of the transmitter being very close to the receiver. This
noise floor change is modeled in the link calculator for AF5 radios - the
calculations rely on large internal look-up tables of actual measured data
and can not be easily calculated on paper. There is currently no calculator
for the AF24 radios as any such effects are already built into the spec
sheets (they only have 2 frequency choices). We recommend using that.

I will note that we have calculated this using only the data on the spec
sheet and a knowledge of the natural RF noise floor of various channel
bandwidths.

Chuck

tl;dr...the natural noise floor for the band minus the sensitivity of that
band for a given modulation equals the signal needed over the noise floor
for a given modulation.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, am I understanding correctly... If you are on a 50MHz Channel BW with
 a signal of -58 you need a noise floor of -97 to maintain 1024QAM.  So, if
 the noise floor is -75 we are 22db off so you can add that to -58 and
 figure -80, or QPSK.  Is this the correct math?

 On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 I believe the number you are looking for is the sensitivity per
 modulation rate minus the base noise floor for a given bandwidth (see
 Matt's earlier post). This gives you the required signal over the noise
 floor. If the noise floor goes up, the effective sensitivity goes up
 accordingly.

 What am I missing?

 Chuck

 On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 wrote:

  This.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 01/12/2015 11:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Matt, that doesn't really help.

 In many areas, my noise/interference/whatever is -75. If I knew how much 
 margin was required per modulation, I could figure out how much signal I 
 need for that speed.

 I can't do that with your published numbers.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com m...@ubnt.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5

 Hi Mike,
 The numbers in our datasheet do convey the SNR (which assumes AWGN for
 noise value); this is pretty standard among all our datasheets.
 The noise floor value varies based on channel BW, so a rough estimate for
 noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm, 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm,
 10=-104dBm).

 As far as transmit power / modulation, all modulations up to 64QAM can run
 at full transmit power. 256QAM is ~2dB lower, and 1024QAM is something like
 4dB lower (it depends on other external factors).

 All of this and more is already provided with the integrated link
 configuration tool, including channel bandwidth, duplex frequency spacing,
 TX power and a bunch of other stuff. It's recommended to use this tool to
 configure links because of all of the additional factors.

 But if you need to run a simple link calc to estimate a link's performance
 at certain distance, you should have enough info.

 Hope that helps...

 -Matt


 On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net 
 af...@ics-il.net wrote:


  Not at all, Matt. Those are receive sensitivities.


 The left side of this picture is needed for the airFibers. You publish the
 right side only.


 This information is also not available for the airFibers.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com m...@ubnt.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 9, 2015 5:34:43 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Af5

 This?
 [image: Inline image 1]

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net 
 af...@ics-il.net wrote:


  Hard to tell because they won't publish their Tx and SNR requirements.
 I'd just make educated guesses and plug it into a path calc.

 BTW: Ben, Matt... where are those numbers?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, January 8, 2015 3:24:58 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Af5

 I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max
 distance

Re: [AFMUG] Af5

2015-01-12 Thread Chuck Macenski

Hi,

I need to check the numbers (I am half asleep), but, yes, that sounds
correct.

Chuck

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, am I understanding correctly... If you are on a 50MHz Channel BW with
 a signal of -58 you need a noise floor of -97 to maintain 1024QAM.  So, if
 the noise floor is -75 we are 22db off so you can add that to -58 and
 figure -80, or QPSK.  Is this the correct math?

 On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 I believe the number you are looking for is the sensitivity per
 modulation rate minus the base noise floor for a given bandwidth (see
 Matt's earlier post). This gives you the required signal over the noise
 floor. If the noise floor goes up, the effective sensitivity goes up
 accordingly.

 What am I missing?

 Chuck

 On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 wrote:

  This.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 01/12/2015 11:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Matt, that doesn't really help.

 In many areas, my noise/interference/whatever is -75. If I knew how much 
 margin was required per modulation, I could figure out how much signal I 
 need for that speed.

 I can't do that with your published numbers.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com m...@ubnt.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:42:52 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af5

 Hi Mike,
 The numbers in our datasheet do convey the SNR (which assumes AWGN for
 noise value); this is pretty standard among all our datasheets.
 The noise floor value varies based on channel BW, so a rough estimate for
 noise floor would be (50MHz=-97dBm, 40=-98dBm, 30=-99dBm, 20=-101dBm,
 10=-104dBm).

 As far as transmit power / modulation, all modulations up to 64QAM can run
 at full transmit power. 256QAM is ~2dB lower, and 1024QAM is something like
 4dB lower (it depends on other external factors).

 All of this and more is already provided with the integrated link
 configuration tool, including channel bandwidth, duplex frequency spacing,
 TX power and a bunch of other stuff. It's recommended to use this tool to
 configure links because of all of the additional factors.

 But if you need to run a simple link calc to estimate a link's performance
 at certain distance, you should have enough info.

 Hope that helps...

 -Matt


 On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net 
 af...@ics-il.net wrote:


  Not at all, Matt. Those are receive sensitivities.


 The left side of this picture is needed for the airFibers. You publish the
 right side only.


 This information is also not available for the airFibers.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com m...@ubnt.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 9, 2015 5:34:43 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Af5

 This?
 [image: Inline image 1]

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net 
 af...@ics-il.net wrote:


  Hard to tell because they won't publish their Tx and SNR requirements.
 I'd just make educated guesses and plug it into a path calc.

 BTW: Ben, Matt... where are those numbers?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net cr...@totalhighspeed.net
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, January 8, 2015 3:24:58 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Af5

 I have used some AF 24 hours but no AF5 for backhaul yet what is the max
 distance people are seeing for the AF 5 at full modulation

 Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Depends on what you mean by “any prefixes learned by the bgp peers”.

I think most upstreams would manually configure route filters to control what 
BGP advertisements to accept, and maybe also an ACL based on source IP.  
Otherwise there’s too much risk a customer would advertise routes for non owned 
blocks or bogons to you, either maliciously or by mistake, and you would 
automatically install these routes and pass them on.  Boom, you’re trying to 
advertise 8.0.0.0/0 or 10.0.0.0/0 and also allowing source address spoofing 
from those IPs, because your customer did something stupid.

Without an LOA and manual configuration, just advertising a route via BGP to 
another ASN should not cause those routes to be accepted.  Of course your 
upstream probably has these same rules, so your customer would have to give you 
an LOA that also goes to your upstream authorizing them to advertise those 
blocks.


From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Basically ,any IPs that SHOULD be sourced from your network.  But yes, the idea 
behind BCP38 is to block src address packets originating from your network that 
SHOULD NOT.  So yes, you should already have those rules to not all traffic 
from your network if it’s coming from a IP that should not come from your 
network, and yes that would include any customer originated traffic.  

 

An example, customer has 4 /19s and two /22s, plus has about 30 BGP peers for 
customer traffic.

 

The 5 prefixes would be allowed out, plus any prefixes learned by the bgp 
peers.  If there were two upstream on the same router, both would have a line, 
if the SRC address is ! (not) customer prefixes, including the 5 prefixes they 
use, then it would be dropped on egress of the upstream ports.   An example of 
this is

 

add action=drop chain=forward out-interface=ether17-internet 
src-address-list=!Inside-IPs

 

The inside_ips list include the local prefixes and the customer prefixes.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

 

Yeah, I’m missing what the big deal is here.  If you’re talking about your 
border router to your upstream, why would you allow outbound traffic with 
source IPs outside your IP blocks?  Allow your IPs, block the rest.

 

If you’re talking about other routers within your network and are wanting to 
stop the traffic at the source, it could get more complicated since I assume we 
all use some private IP space within our networks for various purposes mostly 
management addresses on network equipment.

 

Dennis mentions customer IPs, if you route customer blocks those would also be 
allowed, based on an LOA.

 

 

From: Dennis Burgess 

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:43 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

 

Very simple.  In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind the core 
routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, plus any BGP 
prefixes learned from your customers.  Then a simple, out interface (internet) 
drop if its not SRCed from that list.  Not exactly IP tables, but there ya go..

 

 

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

 

Hey Mike,

 

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop this traffic?

 

Thanks,

Sean



On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Remember when back in the early days, folks could announce “all your internets 
are mine” and take down everything.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Depends on what you mean by “any prefixes learned by the bgp peers”.

I think most upstreams would manually configure route filters to control what 
BGP advertisements to accept, and maybe also an ACL based on source IP.  
Otherwise there’s too much risk a customer would advertise routes for non owned 
blocks or bogons to you, either maliciously or by mistake, and you would 
automatically install these routes and pass them on.  Boom, you’re trying to 
advertise 8.0.0.0/0 or 10.0.0.0/0 and also allowing source address spoofing 
from those IPs, because your customer did something stupid.

Without an LOA and manual configuration, just advertising a route via BGP to 
another ASN should not cause those routes to be accepted.  Of course your 
upstream probably has these same rules, so your customer would have to give you 
an LOA that also goes to your upstream authorizing them to advertise those 
blocks.

From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Basically ,any IPs that SHOULD be sourced from your network.  But yes, the idea 
behind BCP38 is to block src address packets originating from your network that 
SHOULD NOT.  So yes, you should already have those rules to not all traffic 
from your network if it’s coming from a IP that should not come from your 
network, and yes that would include any customer originated traffic.  

An example, customer has 4 /19s and two /22s, plus has about 30 BGP peers for 
customer traffic.

The 5 prefixes would be allowed out, plus any prefixes learned by the bgp 
peers.  If there were two upstream on the same router, both would have a line, 
if the SRC address is ! (not) customer prefixes, including the 5 prefixes they 
use, then it would be dropped on egress of the upstream ports.   An example of 
this is

add action=drop chain=forward out-interface=ether17-internet 
src-address-list=!Inside-IPs

The inside_ips list include the local prefixes and the customer prefixes.  

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Yeah, I’m missing what the big deal is here.  If you’re talking about your 
border router to your upstream, why would you allow outbound traffic with 
source IPs outside your IP blocks?  Allow your IPs, block the rest.

If you’re talking about other routers within your network and are wanting to 
stop the traffic at the source, it could get more complicated since I assume we 
all use some private IP space within our networks for various purposes mostly 
management addresses on network equipment.

Dennis mentions customer IPs, if you route customer blocks those would also be 
allowed, based on an LOA.

From: Dennis Burgess 

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:43 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Very simple.  In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind the core 
routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, plus any BGP 
prefixes learned from your customers.  Then a simple, out interface (internet) 
drop if its not SRCed from that list.  Not exactly IP tables, but there ya go..

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Hey Mike,

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop this traffic?

Thanks,

Sean

On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Basically ,any IPs that SHOULD be sourced from your network.  But yes, the idea 
behind BCP38 is to block src address packets originating from your network that 
SHOULD NOT.  So yes, you should already have those rules to not all traffic 
from your network if it’s coming from a IP that should not come from your 
network, and yes that would include any customer originated traffic.  

 

An example, customer has 4 /19s and two /22s, plus has about 30 BGP peers for 
customer traffic.

 

The 5 prefixes would be allowed out, plus any prefixes learned by the bgp 
peers.  If there were two upstream on the same router, both would have a line, 
if the SRC address is ! (not) customer prefixes, including the 5 prefixes they 
use, then it would be dropped on egress of the upstream ports.   An example of 
this is

 

add action=drop chain=forward out-interface=ether17-internet 
src-address-list=!Inside-IPs

 

The inside_ips list include the local prefixes and the customer prefixes.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net  – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

 

Yeah, I’m missing what the big deal is here.  If you’re talking about your 
border router to your upstream, why would you allow outbound traffic with 
source IPs outside your IP blocks?  Allow your IPs, block the rest.

 

If you’re talking about other routers within your network and are wanting to 
stop the traffic at the source, it could get more complicated since I assume we 
all use some private IP space within our networks for various purposes mostly 
management addresses on network equipment.

 

Dennis mentions customer IPs, if you route customer blocks those would also be 
allowed, based on an LOA.

 

 

From: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net  

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:43 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

 

Very simple.  In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind the core 
routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, plus any BGP 
prefixes learned from your customers.  Then a simple, out interface (internet) 
drop if its not SRCed from that list.  Not exactly IP tables, but there ya go..

 

 

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

 

Hey Mike,

 

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop this traffic?

 

Thanks,

Sean



On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

I need some extra data switch ports as well.  I have HP switches otherwise… but 
the price point makes this worth trying.

 

Guess I’ll see how it holds up :-)

 

Thanks for the feedback.

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Edgeswitch

 

If it is just for powering the cameras you can also power them with the WB 
GIGE-POE-APC.  That is what we use to power the cameras (and everything else) 
at our office.

 

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com  wrote:

Looking to pick one up for the cameras for our new office.  What is the overall 
impression with them?

 

Also looking at the RF Armor + Toughswitch combo for rack mount – but the 
Edgeswitch seems like a better value.

 

Daniel White

(303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590

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Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

If everyone did this, amplification attacks would not occur.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 08:53:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [AFMUG] BCP38

http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page 

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Yeah, I’m missing what the big deal is here.  If you’re talking about your 
border router to your upstream, why would you allow outbound traffic with 
source IPs outside your IP blocks?  Allow your IPs, block the rest.

If you’re talking about other routers within your network and are wanting to 
stop the traffic at the source, it could get more complicated since I assume we 
all use some private IP space within our networks for various purposes mostly 
management addresses on network equipment.

Dennis mentions customer IPs, if you route customer blocks those would also be 
allowed, based on an LOA.


From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Very simple.  In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind the core 
routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, plus any BGP 
prefixes learned from your customers.  Then a simple, out interface (internet) 
drop if its not SRCed from that list.  Not exactly IP tables, but there ya go..

 

 

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

 

Hey Mike,

 

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop this traffic?

 

Thanks,

Sean



On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

2015-01-12 Thread Eric Markow

I believe the phrase is “all your internets are belong to us”

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Remember when back in the early days, folks could announce “all your internets 
are mine” and take down everything.

From: Ken Hohhofmailto:af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:07 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Depends on what you mean by “any prefixes learned by the bgp peers”.

I think most upstreams would manually configure route filters to control what 
BGP advertisements to accept, and maybe also an ACL based on source IP.  
Otherwise there’s too much risk a customer would advertise routes for non owned 
blocks or bogons to you, either maliciously or by mistake, and you would 
automatically install these routes and pass them on.  Boom, you’re trying to 
advertise 8.0.0.0/0 or 10.0.0.0/0 and also allowing source address spoofing 
from those IPs, because your customer did something stupid.

Without an LOA and manual configuration, just advertising a route via BGP to 
another ASN should not cause those routes to be accepted.  Of course your 
upstream probably has these same rules, so your customer would have to give you 
an LOA that also goes to your upstream authorizing them to advertise those 
blocks.

From: Dennis Burgessmailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Basically ,any IPs that SHOULD be sourced from your network.  But yes, the idea 
behind BCP38 is to block src address packets originating from your network that 
SHOULD NOT.  So yes, you should already have those rules to not all traffic 
from your network if it’s coming from a IP that should not come from your 
network, and yes that would include any customer originated traffic.

An example, customer has 4 /19s and two /22s, plus has about 30 BGP peers for 
customer traffic.

The 5 prefixes would be allowed out, plus any prefixes learned by the bgp 
peers.  If there were two upstream on the same router, both would have a line, 
if the SRC address is ! (not) customer prefixes, including the 5 prefixes they 
use, then it would be dropped on egress of the upstream ports.   An example of 
this is

add action=drop chain=forward out-interface=ether17-internet 
src-address-list=!Inside-IPs

The inside_ips list include the local prefixes and the customer prefixes.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Yeah, I’m missing what the big deal is here.  If you’re talking about your 
border router to your upstream, why would you allow outbound traffic with 
source IPs outside your IP blocks?  Allow your IPs, block the rest.

If you’re talking about other routers within your network and are wanting to 
stop the traffic at the source, it could get more complicated since I assume we 
all use some private IP space within our networks for various purposes mostly 
management addresses on network equipment.

Dennis mentions customer IPs, if you route customer blocks those would also be 
allowed, based on an LOA.

From: Dennis Burgessmailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Very simple.  In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind the core 
routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, plus any BGP 
prefixes learned from your customers.  Then a simple, out interface (internet) 
drop if its not SRCed from that list.  Not exactly IP tables, but there ya go..

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Hey Mike,

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop this traffic?

Thanks,
Sean

On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett 
af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged 
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Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

I just saw this via CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/12/politics/centcom-twitter-hacked-suspended/index.html

and my reaction was, CENTCOM has a Twitter account?

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Remember when back in the early days, folks could announce “all your internets 
are mine” and take down everything.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Depends on what you mean by “any prefixes learned by the bgp peers”.

I think most upstreams would manually configure route filters to control what 
BGP advertisements to accept, and maybe also an ACL based on source IP.  
Otherwise there’s too much risk a customer would advertise routes for non owned 
blocks or bogons to you, either maliciously or by mistake, and you would 
automatically install these routes and pass them on.  Boom, you’re trying to 
advertise 8.0.0.0/0 or 10.0.0.0/0 and also allowing source address spoofing 
from those IPs, because your customer did something stupid.

Without an LOA and manual configuration, just advertising a route via BGP to 
another ASN should not cause those routes to be accepted.  Of course your 
upstream probably has these same rules, so your customer would have to give you 
an LOA that also goes to your upstream authorizing them to advertise those 
blocks.

From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Basically ,any IPs that SHOULD be sourced from your network.  But yes, the idea 
behind BCP38 is to block src address packets originating from your network that 
SHOULD NOT.  So yes, you should already have those rules to not all traffic 
from your network if it’s coming from a IP that should not come from your 
network, and yes that would include any customer originated traffic.  

An example, customer has 4 /19s and two /22s, plus has about 30 BGP peers for 
customer traffic.

The 5 prefixes would be allowed out, plus any prefixes learned by the bgp 
peers.  If there were two upstream on the same router, both would have a line, 
if the SRC address is ! (not) customer prefixes, including the 5 prefixes they 
use, then it would be dropped on egress of the upstream ports.   An example of 
this is

add action=drop chain=forward out-interface=ether17-internet 
src-address-list=!Inside-IPs

The inside_ips list include the local prefixes and the customer prefixes.  

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Yeah, I’m missing what the big deal is here.  If you’re talking about your 
border router to your upstream, why would you allow outbound traffic with 
source IPs outside your IP blocks?  Allow your IPs, block the rest.

If you’re talking about other routers within your network and are wanting to 
stop the traffic at the source, it could get more complicated since I assume we 
all use some private IP space within our networks for various purposes mostly 
management addresses on network equipment.

Dennis mentions customer IPs, if you route customer blocks those would also be 
allowed, based on an LOA.

From: Dennis Burgess 

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:43 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Very simple.  In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind the core 
routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, plus any BGP 
prefixes learned from your customers.  Then a simple, out interface (internet) 
drop if its not SRCed from that list.  Not exactly IP tables, but there ya go..

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Hey Mike,

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop this traffic?

Thanks,

Sean

On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Sorry, age related dementia...

From: Eric Markow 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

I believe the phrase is “all your internets are belong to us”

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Remember when back in the early days, folks could announce “all your internets 
are mine” and take down everything.

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:07 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Depends on what you mean by “any prefixes learned by the bgp peers”.

I think most upstreams would manually configure route filters to control what 
BGP advertisements to accept, and maybe also an ACL based on source IP.  
Otherwise there’s too much risk a customer would advertise routes for non owned 
blocks or bogons to you, either maliciously or by mistake, and you would 
automatically install these routes and pass them on.  Boom, you’re trying to 
advertise 8.0.0.0/0 or 10.0.0.0/0 and also allowing source address spoofing 
from those IPs, because your customer did something stupid.

Without an LOA and manual configuration, just advertising a route via BGP to 
another ASN should not cause those routes to be accepted.  Of course your 
upstream probably has these same rules, so your customer would have to give you 
an LOA that also goes to your upstream authorizing them to advertise those 
blocks.

From: Dennis Burgess 

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:46 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Basically ,any IPs that SHOULD be sourced from your network.  But yes, the idea 
behind BCP38 is to block src address packets originating from your network that 
SHOULD NOT.  So yes, you should already have those rules to not all traffic 
from your network if it’s coming from a IP that should not come from your 
network, and yes that would include any customer originated traffic.  

An example, customer has 4 /19s and two /22s, plus has about 30 BGP peers for 
customer traffic.

The 5 prefixes would be allowed out, plus any prefixes learned by the bgp 
peers.  If there were two upstream on the same router, both would have a line, 
if the SRC address is ! (not) customer prefixes, including the 5 prefixes they 
use, then it would be dropped on egress of the upstream ports.   An example of 
this is

add action=drop chain=forward out-interface=ether17-internet 
src-address-list=!Inside-IPs

The inside_ips list include the local prefixes and the customer prefixes.  

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Yeah, I’m missing what the big deal is here.  If you’re talking about your 
border router to your upstream, why would you allow outbound traffic with 
source IPs outside your IP blocks?  Allow your IPs, block the rest.

If you’re talking about other routers within your network and are wanting to 
stop the traffic at the source, it could get more complicated since I assume we 
all use some private IP space within our networks for various purposes mostly 
management addresses on network equipment.

Dennis mentions customer IPs, if you route customer blocks those would also be 
allowed, based on an LOA.

From: Dennis Burgess 

Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:43 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Very simple.  In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind the core 
routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, plus any BGP 
prefixes learned from your customers.  Then a simple, out interface (internet) 
drop if its not SRCed from that list.  Not exactly IP tables, but there ya go..

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Hey Mike,

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop this traffic?

Thanks,

Sean

On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound traffic to 
your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged 
information. If you are not the intended recipient,please notify the sender 
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[AFMUG] WTB: Accu-Aim Adapter

2015-01-12 Thread Nate Burke

Anybody have Stock of the Accu-Aim adapter?  My normal channels say 3-4 
week leadtime.  Looking to pick one up for a project this Friday.  I 
have one, but going to have guys on both ends of an AF24 link at the 
same time, so thinking a 2nd would be helpful.  I already have 2 scopes.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

2015-01-12 Thread Rory McCann

Can you not accomplish the same thing with the RP_Filter option in 
IP/Settings? I'm just asking - I don't know.


http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP/Settings

Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

On 1/12/2015 11:46 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


Basically ,any IPs that SHOULD be sourced from your network.  But yes, 
the idea behind BCP38 is to block src address packets originating from 
your network that SHOULD NOT.  So yes, you should already have those 
rules to not all traffic from your network if it’s coming from a IP 
that should not come from your network, and yes that would include any 
customer originated traffic.


An example, customer has 4 /19s and two /22s, plus has about 30 BGP 
peers for customer traffic.


The 5 prefixes would be allowed out, plus any prefixes learned by the 
bgp peers.  If there were two upstream on the same router, both would 
have a line, if the SRC address is ! (not) customer prefixes, 
including the 5 prefixes they use, then it would be dropped on egress 
of the upstream ports.  An example of this is


add action=drop chain=forward out-interface=ether17-internet 
src-address-list=!Inside-IPs


The inside_ips list include the local prefixes and the customer prefixes.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Yeah, I’m missing what the big deal is here.  If you’re talking about 
your border router to your upstream, why would you allow outbound 
traffic with source IPs outside your IP blocks?  Allow your IPs, block 
the rest.


If you’re talking about other routers within your network and are 
wanting to stop the traffic at the source, it could get more 
complicated since I assume we all use some private IP space within our 
networks for various purposes mostly management addresses on network 
equipment.


Dennis mentions customer IPs, if you route customer blocks those would 
also be allowed, based on an LOA.


*From:*Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net

*Sent:*Monday, January 12, 2015 10:43 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Very simple.  In MT we do an address list of all valid subnets behind 
the core routers, this would include any prefixes that you own or use, 
plus any BGP prefixes learned from your customers.  Then a simple, out 
interface (internet) drop if its not SRCed from that list.  Not 
exactly IP tables, but there ya go..


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 10:25 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BCP38

Hey Mike,

Would you be willing to post an iptables statement that would drop 
this traffic?


Thanks,

Sean



On Monday, January 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:


http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page

Make sure you implement this in your networks. Drop all outbound 
traffic to your upstream that is not from valid public IP space.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] BCP38