date:20150116

Damn, you reminded me, I have a battery box I need to open up because I’ve seen 
mice going in and out.  I was not looking forward to that, probably why it 
slipped my mind.  At least it’s not snakes.  In fact, if we had snakes, that 
would probably take care of the mice.  Especially climbing snakes like in the 
photo.

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 7:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

I have learned to ignore the mice in the elevator.   The time I tried to stomp 
one it disappeared into my laptop bag - ARG!   

Mark

  On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:29 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  we have a manlift at one of the elevators that is infamous for rats jumping 
out on you when you get moving. We have learned to shake the shit out of the 
cage before we get in

  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Yikes.  

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 15, 2015 1:53 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

  Snakes on a tower? http://i.imgur.com/ap0VRTd.jpg

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com 
wrote:

No... they'd probably take a bomb along for good measure and start 
wrecking all our towers.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

  Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all jihadists to do this.

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

  Darwinism.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan 
installe...@foxvalley.net wrote:

Scary thing is, there are lightly secured tower sites all over 
America.  Some 15 year old will eventually try this.

On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  Heh.

  Video just hit the front page of CNN.

  On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: 
I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't given, 
since it's on GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I would 
bet that the guy that got killed watched this video before he went out and 
tried it.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce 
jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote:

  Why does everyone assume permission was not given?

  On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to 
have it on their Youtube channel.  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM
To: WISPA General List; af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] holy crap...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY

A little too close to those guy wires for my blood.

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Re: [AFMUG] Monopole mounts

Thanks guys for the input!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Monopole mounts

That is what Dijab uses.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Pretty sure Gino's guys used a billion of them.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jaime Solorza 
losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

I am not sure I trust those chain mounts ...but I have been wrong a few times 
in my life

Jaime Solorza
On Jan 15, 2015 6:28 PM, Jeremy 
jeremysmi...@gmail.commailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Chain mount I would think.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:16 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
geo...@cbcast.commailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Paul,

Close to you would be Connect-It Wireless. They're in FL and make some of the 
exact same stuff as Valmont, Andrew, etc.

On 1/15/2015 7:13 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
What is the preferred mounts for Monopole towers?ï¿½ Never done one, believe it 
or not.
ï¿½
Easy or difficult ?
ï¿½
Paul
ï¿½
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
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772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] FCC in Utah looking for TDWR offenders

2015-01-16 Thread Jaime Solorza

Yep...a good spectral analysis would pin point the source.

Jaime Solorza
On Jan 15, 2015 9:46 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would assume that they could find it in a day or two.  I know that I
 could.  I didn't talk to them.  I'm just passing on info by request.

 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

 Hopefully it's not a WISP!

 Surely the FCC would have the equipment to track down the source in less
 than a week :-/  isn't there a huge NSA installation in Utah?



 On Thursday, January 15, 2015, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was just told that the FCC is in Utah searching for five locations
 that are running on TDWR frequencies between Ogden and Provo.  Apparently
 they have been here for a week already collecting data for enforcement.
 Doug met with them for a couple of hours and they determined that it wasn't
 any of his equipment.  I was asked to pass the information along because
 they want it cleared up ASAP.  If anyone has anything broadcasting that may
 be bleeding over now would be the time to move it.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC in Utah looking for TDWR offenders

2015-01-16 Thread Caleb Knauer

This is why we can't have nice things.

On Thursday, January 15, 2015, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was just told that the FCC is in Utah searching for five locations that
 are running on TDWR frequencies between Ogden and Provo.  Apparently they
 have been here for a week already collecting data for enforcement.  Doug
 met with them for a couple of hours and they determined that it wasn't any
 of his equipment.  I was asked to pass the information along because they
 want it cleared up ASAP.  If anyone has anything broadcasting that may be
 bleeding over now would be the time to move it.

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous

7 and 13. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:43:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 


Are 7 8 and 13Ghz available in US for WISPs? 
Jaime Solorza 
On Jan 15, 2015 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 




I just actually dug up the numbers and actually, the LTE receive sensitivity 
that Patrick was talking about are within a dB or two of the SIAE datasheet I 
have open at 64 QAM. He then talks about 8.5 dB of additional receive gain via 
4x4 and HARQ. *shrugs* Every dB helps. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: Daniel White  afmu...@gmail.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:52:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 



Licensed vendors can’t use many of the tricks unlicensed, or low frequency, 
vendors get to use. 

The space is regulated much differently. 


cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370  
Daniel White | Managing Director 
SAF North America LLC 

Cell:   

(303) 746-3590 

Skype:  
danieldwhite 

E-mail: 
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 





From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:54 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 


Well right, we need more bandwidth per link, but also that in many areas 
there's no links to be had, so we have to make do with what we have. 

For instance in that spot I'm working on the GigE links for, there's no 6 GHz, 
11 GHz and only 2x horizontal 18 GHz licenses available. It's not exactly 
suburbia or HFT alley, either. 

I think the next step will have to be IP20 type solutions from more vendors. 

Patrick is talking all kinds of engineering finesse that lowers how much signal 
LTE needs to work well by like 10 - 15 dB. I wonder how much of that would help 
licensed links. The thought there is that having more signal to work with means 
that higher QAMs aren't as fragile as without that fanciness. 


Roadmap to 10G via licensed, anyone? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 







From: Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:41:42 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 



All good points, not sure they address Erich’s issue of needing more bandwidth 
per link without multiple antennas per link on the tower. I think he’s saying 
an IP20 class radio is too expensive, and over the next few years lots of us 
are going to need that kind of radio. 






From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:27 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 




Pull all of the active licenses with old ass gear and feed their contact 
information to the vendors? ;-) Maybe newer gear for hte existing guys would 
cut down on how much they need. ;-) 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:25:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 

10 GHz unlicensed would help. I sometimes think the license protections are a 
bit excessive. 

Maybe loosen the geographic restrictions on 7 GHz and 13 GHz? 

Maybe some effort into getting 4 GHz and other legacy PtP bands opened back up? 
They don't have a ton of room and don't allow for huge channels, but some is 
better than none and maybe since the HFT guys care more about lower latency and 
less about throughput, they''ll build longer hops and leave our 11 and 6 gig 
alone? ;-) 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:18:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 

You could drive around to all of the HFT sites and look for links that are no 
longer there, but still licensed. Document. Come back 30 days later and 
document again, submit to the FCC (or wherever Liz says is best) and have those 
licenses revoked. ;-) 

But yeah, I do like Ceragon's 4x4 setup. Two radio heads, four transmitters, 
two licenses, tons of bandwidth. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Erich Kaiser  er...@northcentraltower.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 8:15:57 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous 

The conversation goes deeper. In several areas we are out of spectrum, it may 
be due to HFT or just plain out. So most WISPs if they have deployed Licensed, 
they have to deal with what spectrum they have.

[AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

Has any found or want to share what the found to be the best setting to sync 
all 3 platforms with getting the most out of fsk download and distance, I am 
having issues finding a spot that doesn't hurt my fsk settings, unless I am 
doing something wrong, but I don't think I am,  fsk would be the last thing I 
would want to change, but I would assume I will have to, we run all fsk at 75% 
14miles and 4 control slots, yes we have 14 mile links.   Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

I install a lot of Willison LTE amps all the time, I have never had an issue 
with them, they are awesome.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 5:56 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

I have used these in for Nextel (long ago ), Sprint , Verizon, T-Mobile and 
ATT
The DigiMini
http://axellwireless.com/products/rest-of-the-world/cellular-off-air-repeaters/multi-band/

For small projects  I have used this one
http://www.shireeninc.com/dual-band-repeater/

The key is to have good separation from antenna on roof or tower and ones 
inside.

What kind of service are you trying to improve?  Shireen has been testing an 
LTE model ...


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
m...@mailmt.commailto:m...@mailmt.com wrote:
af,

  Cell phone extender recommendations.  Wilson?  Do they really work?

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Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

2015-01-16 Thread Jaime Solorza

For over 30 users?

Jaime Solorza
On Jan 16, 2015 8:04 AM, Craig Schmaderer cr...@skywaveconnect.com
wrote:

I install a lot of Willison LTE amps all the time, I have never had an
issue with them, they are awesome.

*Craig R. Schmaderer*

*CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*

*Ph: 402-372-1975 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 402-372-1058*

*Direct: 402-372-1052 402-372-1052*

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 5:56 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

I have used these in for Nextel (long ago ), Sprint , Verizon, T-Mobile
and ATT

The DigiMini
http://axellwireless.com/products/rest-of-the-world/cellular-off-air-repeaters/multi-band/

For small projects I have used this one
http://www.shireeninc.com/dual-band-repeater/

The key is to have good separation from antenna on roof or tower and ones
inside.

What kind of service are you trying to improve? Shireen has been testing
an LTE model ...

Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
m...@mailmt.com wrote:

af,

Cell phone extender recommendations. Wilson? Do they really work?

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Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

I have a few places that have around 50 to 60 cell phones.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:11 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender


For over 30 users?

Jaime Solorza
On Jan 16, 2015 8:04 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
cr...@skywaveconnect.commailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com wrote:
I install a lot of Willison LTE amps all the time, I have never had an issue 
with them, they are awesome.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975tel:402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058tel:402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052tel:402-372-1052

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 5:56 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

I have used these in for Nextel (long ago ), Sprint , Verizon, T-Mobile and 
ATT
The DigiMini
http://axellwireless.com/products/rest-of-the-world/cellular-off-air-repeaters/multi-band/

For small projects  I have used this one
http://www.shireeninc.com/dual-band-repeater/

The key is to have good separation from antenna on roof or tower and ones 
inside.

What kind of service are you trying to improve?  Shireen has been testing an 
LTE model ...


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390tel:915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
m...@mailmt.commailto:m...@mailmt.com wrote:
af,

  Cell phone extender recommendations.  Wilson?  Do they really work?

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Re: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

I don’t know if it’s best, but where we have FSK colocated with 450, we have 
these settings:

FSK:  75%, 10 miles, 2 slots
450:  83%, 10 miles, 2 slots

Once the FSK is all gone, we would probably change the 450 to our usual setting 
of 75% and 8 slots.  For simplicity, we didn’t want to change the FSK settings. 
 If we expected the FSK to be there forever, we would probably have used 
different numbers.

But it’s really just a matter of playing with the frame calculator.


From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

Has any found or want to share what the found to be the best setting to sync 
all 3 platforms with getting the most out of fsk download and distance, I am 
having issues finding a spot that doesn’t hurt my fsk settings, unless I am 
doing something wrong, but I don’t think I am,  fsk would be the last thing I 
would want to change, but I would assume I will have to, we run all fsk at 75% 
14miles and 4 control slots, yes we have 14 mile links.   Thanks, Craig.

 

Craig R. Schmaderer

CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058

Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

Is it just me, I can not set my 450 pmp past 75%, im in 5.4, do I need to be on 
5.7?

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

I don’t know if it’s best, but where we have FSK colocated with 450, we have 
these settings:

FSK:  75%, 10 miles, 2 slots
450:  83%, 10 miles, 2 slots

Once the FSK is all gone, we would probably change the 450 to our usual setting 
of 75% and 8 slots.  For simplicity, we didn’t want to change the FSK settings. 
 If we expected the FSK to be there forever, we would probably have used 
different numbers.

But it’s really just a matter of playing with the frame calculator.


From: Craig Schmaderermailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

Has any found or want to share what the found to be the best setting to sync 
all 3 platforms with getting the most out of fsk download and distance, I am 
having issues finding a spot that doesn’t hurt my fsk settings, unless I am 
doing something wrong, but I don’t think I am,  fsk would be the last thing I 
would want to change, but I would assume I will have to, we run all fsk at 75% 
14miles and 4 control slots, yes we have 14 mile links.   Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

2015-01-16 Thread That One Guy

The mice dont bother me, unless theyre eating my cables. The rats on the
other hand, Unless theyre being fed to a snake, I dont have much use for
them. Miniature evil possums.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Damn, you reminded me, I have a battery box I need to open up because
 I’ve seen mice going in and out.  I was not looking forward to that,
 probably why it slipped my mind.  At least it’s not snakes.  In fact, if we
 had snakes, that would probably take care of the mice.  Especially climbing
 snakes like in the photo.


  *From:* Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 7:17 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...


 I have learned to ignore the mice in the elevator.   The time I tried to
 stomp one it disappeared into my laptop bag - ARG!

 Mark


 On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:29 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  we have a manlift at one of the elevators that is infamous for rats
 jumping out on you when you get moving. We have learned to shake the shit
 out of the cage before we get in

 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yikes.

 Jaime Solorza
 On Jan 15, 2015 1:53 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 Snakes on a tower? http://i.imgur.com/ap0VRTd.jpg

  Regards,
 Chuck

 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 No... they'd probably take a bomb along for good measure and start
 wrecking all our towers.

 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all jihadists to do this.


  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...


 Darwinism.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net
 wrote:

 Scary thing is, there are lightly secured tower sites all over
 America.  Some 15 year old will eventually try this.

 On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 Heh.

 Video just hit the front page of CNN.

 On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew Howard
 mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't given, since
 it's on GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I would 
 bet
 that the guy that got killed watched this video before he went out and
 tried it.

 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce 
 jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote:

 Why does everyone assume permission was not given?


 On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

  Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to have it
 on their Youtube channel.







 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List; af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] holy crap...



 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY

 A little too close to those guy wires for my blood.

 --

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All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

[AFMUG] AF 2015 List

2015-01-16 Thread Nate Burke

Can we setup an AF2015 list just for the show?  I don't know how easy or 
hard that is on Amazon.  In years past we did that, and it made it 
easier to find people to meetup/ride share since it was only had 
mostly show related traffic on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

Samsung makes commercial cell extenders (AKA femtocells) that will
handle a couple dozen simultaneous calls.

Haven't seen anything that will handle LTE yet, but they've been
announced almost a year now.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/16/2015 7:10 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

For over 30 users?

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 16, 2015 8:04 AM, Craig Schmaderer cr...@skywaveconnect.com
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com wrote:

I install a lot of Willison LTE amps all the time, I have never
had an issue with them, they are awesome.

/Craig R. Schmaderer/

/CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc./

/Ph: 402-372-1975 tel:402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
tel:402-372-1058/

/Direct: 402-372-1052 tel:402-372-1052/

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 5:56 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

I have used these in for Nextel (long ago ), Sprint , Verizon,
T-Mobile and ATT

The DigiMini

http://axellwireless.com/products/rest-of-the-world/cellular-off-air-repeaters/multi-band/

For small projects I have used this one
http://www.shireeninc.com/dual-band-repeater/

The key is to have good separation from antenna on roof or tower
and ones inside.

What kind of service are you trying to improve? Shireen has been
testing an LTE model ...

Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
m...@mailmt.com mailto:m...@mailmt.com wrote:

af,

Cell phone extender recommendations. Wilson? Do they really work?

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Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender

2015-01-16 Thread Jaime Solorza

Cool.  Never worked with LTE Wilson amps.  Those older ones I replaced
dropped and distorted calls when several users got on phones.  If they work
for you thats good.  I will stick with Axell for large projects.

Jaime Solorza
On Jan 16, 2015 8:26 AM, Craig Schmaderer cr...@skywaveconnect.com
wrote:

  I have a few places that have around 50 to 60 cell phones.



 *Craig R. Schmaderer*

 *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*

 *Ph: 402-372-1975 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 402-372-1058*

 *Direct: 402-372-1052 402-372-1052*



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 9:11 AM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender



 For over 30 users?

 Jaime Solorza

 On Jan 16, 2015 8:04 AM, Craig Schmaderer cr...@skywaveconnect.com
 wrote:

 I install a lot of Willison LTE amps all the time, I have never had an
 issue with them, they are awesome.



 *Craig R. Schmaderer*

 *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*

 *Ph: 402-372-1975 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 402-372-1058*

 *Direct: 402-372-1052 402-372-1052*



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 5:56 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cell phone extender



 I have used these in for Nextel (long ago ), Sprint , Verizon, T-Mobile
 and ATT

 The DigiMini
 http://axellwireless.com/products/rest-of-the-world/cellular-off-air-repeaters/multi-band/



 For small projects  I have used this one
 http://www.shireeninc.com/dual-band-repeater/



 The key is to have good separation from antenna on roof or tower and ones
 inside.



 What kind of service are you trying to improve?  Shireen has been testing
 an LTE model ...




   Jaime Solorza

 Wireless Systems Architect

 915-861-1390



 On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
 m...@mailmt.com wrote:

 af,

   Cell phone extender recommendations.  Wilson?  Do they really work?

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 Thanks,
  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

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[AFMUG] epmp 1000 2.4 antenna options.

2015-01-16 Thread brandon

We just recently got our first batch of this equipment and are going to
start to deploy it next week. Since the force 100 seems to only be in 5ghz I
am curious what others are using on connectorized units that need a bit more
than the integrated units can do. It's always better to have actual real
world experience on what to order to cut out some of the trial and error and
piles of stuff on the shelf. The vendors all have great idea's on what I
should use but I tend to take that with a grain of salt.

 

Thanks guys.

 

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

2015-01-16 Thread Matt Mangriotis

It’s not just you Craig.  This limit is because of DFS regulations in the 5.4 
band.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

Is it just me, I can not set my 450 pmp past 75%, im in 5.4, do I need to be on 
5.7?

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

I don’t know if it’s best, but where we have FSK colocated with 450, we have 
these settings:

FSK:  75%, 10 miles, 2 slots
450:  83%, 10 miles, 2 slots

Once the FSK is all gone, we would probably change the 450 to our usual setting 
of 75% and 8 slots.  For simplicity, we didn’t want to change the FSK settings. 
 If we expected the FSK to be there forever, we would probably have used 
different numbers.

But it’s really just a matter of playing with the frame calculator.

From: Craig Schmaderermailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

Has any found or want to share what the found to be the best setting to sync 
all 3 platforms with getting the most out of fsk download and distance, I am 
having issues finding a spot that doesn’t hurt my fsk settings, unless I am 
doing something wrong, but I don’t think I am,  fsk would be the last thing I 
would want to change, but I would assume I will have to, we run all fsk at 75% 
14miles and 4 control slots, yes we have 14 mile links.   Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

Snakes don't bother me at all.  But those dang 20 lb rats scare the crap 
out of me...


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/16/2015 8:05 AM, That One Guy wrote:
The mice dont bother me, unless theyre eating my cables. The rats on 
the other hand, Unless theyre being fed to a snake, I dont have much 
use for them. Miniature evil possums.


On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:


Damn, you reminded me, I have a battery box I need to open up
because I’ve seen mice going in and out.  I was not looking
forward to that, probably why it slipped my mind.  At least it’s
not snakes. In fact, if we had snakes, that would probably take
care of the mice.  Especially climbing snakes like in the photo.
*From:* Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net
*Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 7:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
I have learned to ignore the mice in the elevator.   The time I
tried to stomp one it disappeared into my laptop bag - ARG!
Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:29 AM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
we have a manlift at one of the elevators that is infamous for
rats jumping out on you when you get moving. We have learned to
shake the shit out of the cage before we get in
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jaime Solorza
losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

Yikes.

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 15, 2015 1:53 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

Snakes on a tower? http://i.imgur.com/ap0VRTd.jpg
Regards,
Chuck
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard
mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

No... they'd probably take a bomb along for good
measure and start wrecking all our towers.
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all
jihadists to do this.
*From:* Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

Darwinism.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan
installe...@foxvalley.net
mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net wrote:

Scary thing is, there are lightly secured
tower sites all over America.  Some 15 year
old will eventually try this.

On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Heh.

Video just hit the front page of CNN.

On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew
Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

I think it's pretty unlikely that
permission wasn't given, since it's on
GoPro's youtube channel... but it was
still a bad idea. I would bet that the
guy that got killed watched this video
before he went out and tried it.
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon
Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com
mailto:jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com
wrote:

Why does everyone assume permission
was not given?


On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall
wrote:


Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty
irresponsible of GoPro to have it
on their Youtube channel.




*From:*Af
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015
7:57 PM
*To:* WISPA General List;
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] holy crap...

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

2015-01-16 Thread Josh Reynolds

Sounds like you have some rats on HGH trying to get swoll for the Arnold 
Classic. :)

On January 16, 2015 7:59:34 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Snakes don't bother me at all.  But those dang 20 lb rats scare the
crap 
out of me...

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/16/2015 8:05 AM, That One Guy wrote:
 The mice dont bother me, unless theyre eating my cables. The rats on 
 the other hand, Unless theyre being fed to a snake, I dont have much 
 use for them. Miniature evil possums.

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
 mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Damn, you reminded me, I have a battery box I need to open up
 because I’ve seen mice going in and out.  I was not looking
 forward to that, probably why it slipped my mind.  At least it’s
 not snakes. In fact, if we had snakes, that would probably take
 care of the mice.  Especially climbing snakes like in the photo.
 *From:* Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 7:17 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
 I have learned to ignore the mice in the elevator.   The time I
 tried to stomp one it disappeared into my laptop bag - ARG!
 Mark
 On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:29 AM, That One Guy
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
 we have a manlift at one of the elevators that is infamous for
 rats jumping out on you when you get moving. We have learned to
 shake the shit out of the cage before we get in
 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jaime Solorza
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Yikes.

 Jaime Solorza

 On Jan 15, 2015 1:53 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 Snakes on a tower? http://i.imgur.com/ap0VRTd.jpg
 Regards,
 Chuck
 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard
 mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:

 No... they'd probably take a bomb along for good
 measure and start wrecking all our towers.
 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof
 af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all
 jihadists to do this.
 *From:* Josh Luthman
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

 Darwinism.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan
 installe...@foxvalley.net
 mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net wrote:

 Scary thing is, there are lightly secured
 tower sites all over America.  Some 15 year
 old will eventually try this.

 On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 Heh.

 Video just hit the front page of CNN.

 On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew
 Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it's pretty unlikely that
 permission wasn't given, since it's on
 GoPro's youtube channel... but it was
 still a bad idea. I would bet that the
 guy that got killed watched this video
 before he went out and tried it.
 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon
 Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com
 mailto:jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com
 wrote:

 Why does everyone assume permission
 was not given?


 On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall
 wrote:

 Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty
 irresponsible of GoPro to have it
 on their Youtube channel.




 *From:*Af
 [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14,
2015

Re: [AFMUG] Keystone Cover

Make an rj45 male plug?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 12:07 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does a cover exist to snap over a keystone jack if you just leave it
 hanging on end of cable?

Re: [AFMUG] Keystone Cover

Why would you leave it hanging on the end of a cable?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 Make an rj45 male plug?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jan 16, 2015 12:07 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does a cover exist to snap over a keystone jack if you just leave it
 hanging on end of cable?

Re: [AFMUG] Keystone Cover

Like a lock-out\tag-out plug? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:07:14 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Keystone Cover 

Does a cover exist to snap over a keystone jack if you just leave it 
hanging on end of cable?

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...



The big rat came when I was working on my brother-in-law's farm when I 
was a teenager.  A mother rat had somehow taken up residence in a corn 
silo.  She made a whole family/nest inside that giant silo.


We were pulling out corn to feed the cattle, when her whole nest came 
out the hopper.  She was bigger than a cat!  Yow!  She was running 
around trying to figure out where to go, and all I could think of was 
how to hit her with the shovel!  Geeze was she big.



bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/16/2015 9:03 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Sounds like you have some rats on HGH trying to get swoll for the 
Arnold Classic. :)


On January 16, 2015 7:59:34 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Snakes don't bother me at all. But those dang 20 lb rats scare the
crap out of me...

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/16/2015 8:05 AM, That One Guy wrote:

The mice dont bother me, unless theyre eating my cables. The rats
on the other hand, Unless theyre being fed to a snake, I dont
have much use for them. Miniature evil possums.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

Damn, you reminded me, I have a battery box I need to open up
because I’ve seen mice going in and out.  I was not looking
forward to that, probably why it slipped my mind.  At least
it’s not snakes.  In fact, if we had snakes, that would
probably take care of the mice.  Especially climbing snakes
like in the photo.
*From:* Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net
*Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 7:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...
I have learned to ignore the mice in the elevator.   The time
I tried to stomp one it disappeared into my laptop bag - ARG!
Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:29 AM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
we have a manlift at one of the elevators that is infamous
for rats jumping out on you when you get moving. We have
learned to shake the shit out of the cage before we get in
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jaime Solorza
losguyswirel...@gmail.com
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

Yikes.

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 15, 2015 1:53 PM, Chuck Hogg
ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

Snakes on a tower? http://i.imgur.com/ap0VRTd.jpg
Regards,
Chuck
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard
mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:

No... they'd probably take a bomb along for good
measure and start wrecking all our towers.
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all
jihadists to do this.
*From:* Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

Darwinism.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan
installe...@foxvalley.net
mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net wrote:

Scary thing is, there are lightly
secured tower sites all over America. 
Some 15 year old will eventually try this.


On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Heh.

Video just hit the front page of CNN.

On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST,
Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

I think it's pretty unlikely that
permission wasn't given, since it's
on GoPro's youtube channel... but
it was still a bad idea. I would
bet that the guy that got killed
watched this video before he went
out and tried it.
On Thu, Jan 15,

Re: [AFMUG] Keystone Cover

2015-01-16 Thread Mathew Howard

There are small surface mount boxes that a keystone jack will snap into...
like this:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=105cp_id=10517cs_id=1051705p_id=7088seq=1format=2

but I'm not quite sure if that's the sort of thing you're looking for.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Like a lock-out\tag-out plug?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 16, 2015 11:07:14 AM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Keystone Cover

 Does a cover exist to snap over a keystone jack if you just leave it
 hanging on end of cable?

Re: [AFMUG] Keystone Cover

2015-01-16 Thread Matt

 There are small surface mount boxes that a keystone jack will snap into...
 like this:
 http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=105cp_id=10517cs_id=1051705p_id=7088seq=1format=2

 but I'm not quite sure if that's the sort of thing you're looking for.


I think that will do it.  Would rather have smaller though.

Re: [AFMUG] AF 2015 List

I will into it Nate.  Thanks for the suggestion.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] AF 2015 List

Can we setup an AF2015 list just for the show?  I don't know how easy or hard 
that is on Amazon.  In years past we did that, and it made it easier to find 
people to meetup/ride share since it was only had mostly show related traffic 
on it.

Re: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

Damit, that sucks.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

It’s not just you Craig.  This limit is because of DFS regulations in the 5.4 
band.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:54 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

Is it just me, I can not set my 450 pmp past 75%, im in 5.4, do I need to be on 
5.7?

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

I don’t know if it’s best, but where we have FSK colocated with 450, we have 
these settings:

FSK:  75%, 10 miles, 2 slots
450:  83%, 10 miles, 2 slots

Once the FSK is all gone, we would probably change the 450 to our usual setting 
of 75% and 8 slots.  For simplicity, we didn’t want to change the FSK settings. 
 If we expected the FSK to be there forever, we would probably have used 
different numbers.

But it’s really just a matter of playing with the frame calculator.

From: Craig Schmaderermailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] best sync settings for 5ghz fsk, 450 ptp and 450pmp

Has any found or want to share what the found to be the best setting to sync 
all 3 platforms with getting the most out of fsk download and distance, I am 
having issues finding a spot that doesn’t hurt my fsk settings, unless I am 
doing something wrong, but I don’t think I am,  fsk would be the last thing I 
would want to change, but I would assume I will have to, we run all fsk at 75% 
14miles and 4 control slots, yes we have 14 mile links.   Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread Ryan Ray

After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade I'm holding 
off

Sent while mobile


 On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
 geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
 
 Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware lately.
 
 On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
 We have released 13.3 officially today.  I know many of you have been 
 participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the 
 feedback which has helped make it better…
  
 https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/
  
 We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:
  
 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969
  
 Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the platform!
  
 Thanks again,
 Matt

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread Mark Radabaugh

It's still says 'no alignment tone' on the release notes.

That's a show stopper for me.

Dear Cambium - that's not a minor bug and should not be in a release.   My 
apologies if I read the release note wrong.

Mark


 On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade I'm 
 holding off
 
 Sent while mobile
 
 
 On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
 geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
 
 Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware lately.
 
 On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
 We have released 13.3 officially today.  I know many of you have been 
 participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the 
 feedback which has helped make it better…
  
 https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/ 
 https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/
  
 We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:
  
 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969
  
 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969
  
 Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the platform!
  
 Thanks again,
 Matt

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

That’s the way I read the release notes as well.
Could someone from Cambium please clarify?
I agree, it true, that’s a show stopper.
Installers will kill me if we have to go back to reading numbers over the phone.

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

It's still says 'no alignment tone' on the release notes.

That's a show stopper for me.

Dear Cambium - that's not a minor bug and should not be in a release.   My 
apologies if I read the release note wrong.

Mark

  On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote:

  After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade I'm 
holding off

  Sent while mobile 

  On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware lately.

On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

  We have released 13.3 officially today.  I know many of you have been 
participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the feedback 
which has helped make it better…

  https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/

  We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969

  Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the platform!

  Thanks again,
  Matt

[AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides
2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying
another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options
that won't cost an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz
radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most
 economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides
 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying
 another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options
 that won't cost an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)

I'm lost.. or slow. They took the alignment tone out or what?

On 1/16/2015 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

That’s the way I read the release notes as well.
Could someone from Cambium please clarify?
I agree, it true, that’s a show stopper.
Installers will kill me if we have to go back to reading numbers over
the phone.

*From:* Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net
*Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 12:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available
It's still says 'no alignment tone' on the release notes.
That's a show stopper for me.
Dear Cambium - that's not a minor bug and should not be in a
release. My apologies if I read the release note wrong.

Mark
On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com wrote:
After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade
I'm holding off

Sent while mobile

On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware
lately.

On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
We have released 13.3 officially today. I know many of you have
been participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for
all the feedback which has helped make it better…

https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/
We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969
Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the
platform!

Thanks again,
Matt

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

11GHz is cheaper if I recall.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:57 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz
 radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
 On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the
 most economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much
 besides 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking
 about trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are
 my options that won't cost an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

Our 6GHz Trango Lynx was almost $12K with dishes.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 11GHz is cheaper if I recall.

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:57 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz
 radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
 On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the
 most economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much
 besides 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking
 about trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are
 my options that won't cost an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

SAF Integra S will move 474 uncompressed, up to gig with header compression. 
SAF is coming out with a WS that will have a louder radio, though loses the 
compression. 

Alcoma moved 660 megabit, but without header compression, though I believe has 
a louder radio. 

SIAE is still 56 MHz, but has a louder radio than the Integra S. 

Trango Lynx is around the above guys in price and per formance. 



Important things to consider: maximum uncompressed speed on a link, 99.999% 
uptime uncompressed speed, price. Something that's balls fast most of the time 
may not be fast enough for you during weather. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:54:17 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 


So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

11 ghz integra



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?


I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio 
in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?

On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread Mark Radabaugh

They broke it and sent out a release version. Not cool.

Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:58 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

I'm lost.. or slow. They took the alignment tone out or what?

On 1/16/2015 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
That’s the way I read the release notes as well.
Could someone from Cambium please clarify?
I agree, it true, that’s a show stopper.
Installers will kill me if we have to go back to reading numbers over the
phone.

From: Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

It's still says 'no alignment tone' on the release notes.

That's a show stopper for me.

Dear Cambium - that's not a minor bug and should not be in a release. My
apologies if I read the release note wrong.

Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com wrote:

After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade I'm
holding off

Sent while mobile

On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware lately.

On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
We have released 13.3 officially today. I know many of you have been
participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the
feedback which has helped make it better…

https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/

We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969

Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the platform!

Thanks again,
Matt

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz!
Should I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

   11 ghz integra



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



   From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

   I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz
 radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
 On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the
 most economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much
 besides 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking
 about trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are
 my options that won't cost an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

ouch.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote:

 They broke it and sent out a release version.   Not cool.

 Mark


 On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:58 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
 geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

  I'm lost.. or slow. They took the alignment tone out or what?

 On 1/16/2015 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  That’s the way I read the release notes as well.
 Could someone from Cambium please clarify?
 I agree, it true, that’s a show stopper.
 Installers will kill me if we have to go back to reading numbers over the
 phone.


  *From:* Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 12:03 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

  It's still says 'no alignment tone' on the release notes.

 That's a show stopper for me.

 Dear Cambium - that's not a minor bug and should not be in a release.   My
 apologies if I read the release note wrong.

 Mark



 On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote:

  After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade I'm
 holding off

 Sent while mobile


 On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
 geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

   Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware
 lately.

 On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

  We have released 13.3 officially today.  I know many of you have been
 participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the
 feedback which has helped make it better…

 https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/

 We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:


 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969

 Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the platform!

 Thanks again,
 Matt








-- 
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

It's just a factor.  What other options can do 80 MHz?  Can they do 1024
QAM?  I'd bet 60 MHz * 1024qam is pretty close to 80 MHz * 256qam.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:05 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz!
 Should I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 wrote:

   11 ghz integra



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



   From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

   I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz
 80mhz radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
 On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the
 most economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much
 besides 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking
 about trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are
 my options that won't cost an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

I don’t think it’s broken in 13.2 though.

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

They broke it and sent out a release version.   Not cool.

Mark

  On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:58 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

  I'm lost.. or slow. They took the alignment tone out or what?

  On 1/16/2015 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

That’s the way I read the release notes as well.
Could someone from Cambium please clarify?
I agree, it true, that’s a show stopper.
Installers will kill me if we have to go back to reading numbers over the 
phone.

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

It's still says 'no alignment tone' on the release notes.

That's a show stopper for me.

Dear Cambium - that's not a minor bug and should not be in a release.   My 
apologies if I read the release note wrong.

Mark

  On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote:

  After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade I'm 
holding off

  Sent while mobile 

  On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware 
lately.

On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

  We have released 13.3 officially today.  I know many of you have been 
participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the feedback 
which has helped make it better…

  https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/

  We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969

  Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the 
platform!

  Thanks again,
  Matt

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)

Yeah, I'm gonna need you to come in on Saturday and fix that.

So can we at least send SMs out with 13.2/13.2.1, tech can tone align,
then we do auto-update? Kinda defeats the purpose of all the new
features though.

On 1/16/2015 1:03 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

They broke it and sent out a release version. Not cool.

Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:58 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

I'm lost.. or slow. They took the alignment tone out or what?

On 1/16/2015 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Mark
On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com wrote:
After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade
I'm holding off

Sent while mobile

On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware
lately.

On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
We have released 13.3 officially today. I know many of you have
been participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you
for all the feedback which has helped make it better…

Thanks again,
Matt

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

That's officially retarded. Why the hell would you ship firmware that lost
a crucial feature. Why not just ship it out with only 90% of the features
and start licensing for the remaining 10%? Might as well go full retard.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:15 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Yeah, I'm gonna need you to come in on Saturday and fix that.

So can we at least send SMs out with 13.2/13.2.1, tech can tone align,
then we do auto-update? Kinda defeats the purpose of all the new features
though.

On 1/16/2015 1:03 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

They broke it and sent out a release version. Not cool.

Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:58 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

I'm lost.. or slow. They took the alignment tone out or what?

On 1/16/2015 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

*From:* Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net
*Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 12:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

It's still says 'no alignment tone' on the release notes.

That's a show stopper for me.

Dear Cambium - that's not a minor bug and should not be in a release. My
apologies if I read the release note wrong.

Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote:

After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade I'm
holding off

Sent while mobile

On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware
lately.

On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

We have released 13.3 officially today. I know many of you have been
participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the
feedback which has helped make it better…

https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/

We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969

Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the platform!

Thanks again,
Matt

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel widths 
can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist in 6 GHz, 
and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need to license 2 
adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that does 80 MHz 
channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe having consistent 
equipment across your network to simplify sparing.


From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! Should 
I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  11 ghz integra



  Gino A. Villarini
  President
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  www.aeronetpr.com   
  @aeronetpr



  From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
  Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
  Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
  To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?


  I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio 
in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?

  On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 1/16/15 11:12, Josh Luthman wrote:

It's just a factor.  What other options can do 80 MHz? Can they do 1024
QAM?  I'd bet 60 MHz * 1024qam is pretty close to 80 MHz * 256qam.



Yeah, probably only a 30 meg raw capacity difference.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6 GHz... 
IIRC. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 




I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel widths 
can be licensed in what bands. I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist in 6 GHz, and 
I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need to license 2 
adjacent channels. There is no benefit to having a radio that does 80 MHz 
channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe having consistent 
equipment across your network to simplify sparing. 





From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 


11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! Should 
I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go? 


On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini  g...@aeronetpr.com  wrote: 






11 ghz integra 




Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 



From: TJ Trout  t...@voltbb.com  
Reply-To:  af@afmug.com   af@afmug.com  
Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM 
To:  af@afmug.com   af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 




I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio 
in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0? 
On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout  t...@voltbb.com  wrote: 

blockquote

So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ? 


/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

2015-01-16 Thread Jon Bruce

How do I convince my installers to use the tone and stop calling the NOC
for numbers over the phone?

On 1/16/2015 1:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Mark
On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com wrote:
After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade
I'm holding off

Sent while mobile

On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware
lately.

Thanks again,
Matt

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

Maximum bandwidth at 6 GHz is 60 MHz…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel widths 
can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist in 6 GHz, 
and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need to license 2 
adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that does 80 MHz 
channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe having consistent 
equipment across your network to simplify sparing.

From: TJ Troutmailto:t...@voltbb.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! Should 
I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
11 ghz integra

Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio 
in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

How often do you find 60 MHz channels available?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote:

  Maximum bandwidth at 6 GHz is 60 MHz…



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 2:18 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel
 widths can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist
 in 6 GHz, and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need
 to license 2 adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that
 does 80 MHz channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe
 having consistent equipment across your network to simplify sparing.





 *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com

 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz!
 Should I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?



 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 wrote:

 11 ghz integra







 Gino A. Villarini

 President

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 www.aeronetpr.com

 @aeronetpr







 *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Date: *Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
 *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz
 radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?

 On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most
 economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides
 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying
 another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options
 that won't cost an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

Well you definitely don't want to give them a firmware update that
removes the feature.

But seriously I would permit whatever the tech finds to be easier to
align. If they're better with numbers, let them. I personally can't stand
the alignment tone since I can't really hear what's better or worse.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com
wrote:

How do I convince my installers to use the tone and stop calling the NOC
for numbers over the phone?

On 1/16/2015 1:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

*From:* Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net
*Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 12:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

It's still says 'no alignment tone' on the release notes.

That's a show stopper for me.

Dear Cambium - that's not a minor bug and should not be in a release. My
apologies if I read the release note wrong.

Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote:

After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade I'm
holding off

Sent while mobile

On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware
lately.

On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

We have released 13.3 officially today. I know many of you have been
participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the
feedback which has helped make it better…

https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/

We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969

Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the platform!

Thanks again,
Matt

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

Depends on location, direction and flexibility to upgrade antennas or accept 
some degradation.  We’re licensing quite a few of these.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

How often do you find 60 MHz channels available?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Hardy, Tim 
tha...@comsearch.commailto:tha...@comsearch.com wrote:
Maximum bandwidth at 6 GHz is 60 MHz…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel widths 
can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist in 6 GHz, 
and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need to license 2 
adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that does 80 MHz 
channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe having consistent 
equipment across your network to simplify sparing.

From: TJ Troutmailto:t...@voltbb.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! Should 
I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
11 ghz integra

Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio 
in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

There are 80 MHz allocations at 11 GHz – so you can license a single 80 MHz 
channel pair.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

6ghz will only be 60mhz wide. Two 11Ghz channels will be 80Mhz wide. intelpath 
charges under $200 to see if the possibility even exists.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:57 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio 
in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous?

I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel than to 
find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6 GHz, mainly 
because of antenna size.  Yes the FCC did relax the antenna rules to allow down 
to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you enough gain unless it’s a 
short link, especially given that 6 GHz is subject to multipath fades.  So 
bottom line I haven’t kept up with what you can do in 6 GHz, so I could easily 
be wrong or behind the times.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6 GHz...  
IIRC.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?


I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel widths 
can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist in 6 GHz, 
and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need to license 2 
adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that does 80 MHz 
channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe having consistent 
equipment across your network to simplify sparing.


From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! Should 
I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  11 ghz integra



  Gino A. Villarini
  President
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  www.aeronetpr.com   
  @aeronetpr



  From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
  Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
  Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
  To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?


  I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio 
in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?

  On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

[AFMUG] Test

2015-01-16 Thread SmarterBroadband

Testing

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

It's like being color blind. I just don't get it when I hear it. I hear
changes, but changes mean nothing to me.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote:

Make them pass a tone deafness test before you hire them?

Does such a thing even exist?

Apparently this must be a bit like being color blind. The tone is really
easy for me to use, far easier than looking at the numbers. Yet I have
been at sites with certain installers that claim they can't hear any
difference as they move the antenna around. I'm just standing there
scratching my head as they go right past the sweet spot.

Now if we are talking about 2.4 Canopy FSK, the tones are pretty useless.
3.65 and 5Ghz

Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com
wrote:

How do I convince my installers to use the tone and stop calling the NOC
for numbers over the phone?

On 1/16/2015 1:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

*From:* Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net
*Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 12:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

It's still says 'no alignment tone' on the release notes.

That's a show stopper for me.

Dear Cambium - that's not a minor bug and should not be in a release. My
apologies if I read the release note wrong.

Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote:

After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade I'm
holding off

Sent while mobile

On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware
lately.

On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

We have released 13.3 officially today. I know many of you have been
participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the
feedback which has helped make it better…

https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/

We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969

Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the platform!

Thanks again,
Matt

Re: [AFMUG] Test

Test worked


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:00 PM, SmarterBroadband 
li...@smarterbroadband.com wrote:

 Testing

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

Yes, but xpic is x2 the cost



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 3:58 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous?

I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel than to 
find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6 GHz, mainly 
because of antenna size.  Yes the FCC did relax the antenna rules to allow down 
to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you enough gain unless it’s a 
short link, especially given that 6 GHz is subject to multipath fades.  So 
bottom line I haven’t kept up with what you can do in 6 GHz, so I could easily 
be wrong or behind the times.

From: Mike Hammettmailto:af...@ics-il.net
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6 GHz...  
IIRC.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel widths 
can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist in 6 GHz, 
and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need to license 2 
adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that does 80 MHz 
channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe having consistent 
equipment across your network to simplify sparing.


From: TJ Troutmailto:t...@voltbb.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! Should 
I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
11 ghz integra



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?


I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio 
in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?

On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

Yes, my wife had me take a hearing exam… turns out I had HHD… Husband Hearing 
Disease !!! :-)



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.netmailto:m...@amplex.net
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

Make them pass a tone deafness test before you hire them?

Does such a thing even exist?

Apparently this must be a bit like being color blind.  The tone is really easy 
for me to use, far easier than looking at the numbers.   Yet I have been at 
sites with certain installers that claim they can't hear any difference as they 
move the antenna around. I'm just standing there scratching my head as they go 
right past the sweet spot.

Now if we are talking about 2.4 Canopy FSK, the tones are pretty useless.  3.65 
and 5Ghz

Mark





On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Jon Bruce 
jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.commailto:jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote:

How do I convince my installers to use the tone and stop calling the NOC for 
numbers over the phone?


On 1/16/2015 1:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
That’s the way I read the release notes as well.
Could someone from Cambium please clarify?
I agree, it true, that’s a show stopper.
Installers will kill me if we have to go back to reading numbers over the phone.


From: Mark Radabaughmailto:m...@amplex.net
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

It's still says 'no alignment tone' on the release notes.

That's a show stopper for me.

Dear Cambium - that's not a minor bug and should not be in a release.   My 
apologies if I read the release note wrong.

Mark


On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray 
ryan...@gmail.commailto:ryan...@gmail.com wrote:

After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade I'm holding 
off

Sent while mobile


On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
geo...@cbcast.commailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware lately.

On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
We have released 13.3 officially today.  I know many of you have been 
participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the feedback 
which has helped make it better…

https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/

We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969

Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the platform!

Thanks again,
Matt

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Charles Boening

Looks like a full 60 in our Aviat gear.

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous?

I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel than to 
find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6 GHz, mainly 
because of antenna size.  Yes the FCC did relax the antenna rules to allow down 
to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you enough gain unless it’s a 
short link, especially given that 6 GHz is subject to multipath fades.  So 
bottom line I haven’t kept up with what you can do in 6 GHz, so I could easily 
be wrong or behind the times.

From: Mike Hammettmailto:af...@ics-il.net
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6 GHz...  
IIRC.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel widths 
can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist in 6 GHz, 
and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need to license 2 
adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that does 80 MHz 
channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe having consistent 
equipment across your network to simplify sparing.


From: TJ Troutmailto:t...@voltbb.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! Should 
I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
11 ghz integra



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?


I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio 
in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2015-01-16 Thread SmarterBroadband

I’m back.

Been blocked for a while.

Thanks Paul.

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test

 

Test worked




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:00 PM, SmarterBroadband li...@smarterbroadband.com 
wrote:

Testing

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

It’s really 60!

60 MHz

CH

N(

G(

1

5960.0250

6212.0650

2

6019.3250

6271.3650

3

6078.6250

6330.6650

4

6137.9250

6389.9650


As far as XPIC on 30 MHz vs. 60 MHz it all depends on the environment.  If 
x-pol is needed to clear a channel, it isn’t going to be available on the 
orthogonal polarization.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous?

I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel than to 
find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6 GHz, mainly 
because of antenna size.  Yes the FCC did relax the antenna rules to allow down 
to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you enough gain unless it’s a 
short link, especially given that 6 GHz is subject to multipath fades.  So 
bottom line I haven’t kept up with what you can do in 6 GHz, so I could easily 
be wrong or behind the times.

From: Mike Hammettmailto:af...@ics-il.net
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6 GHz...  
IIRC.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel widths 
can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist in 6 GHz, 
and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need to license 2 
adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that does 80 MHz 
channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe having consistent 
equipment across your network to simplify sparing.


From: TJ Troutmailto:t...@voltbb.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! Should 
I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
11 ghz integra



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com 
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?


I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio 
in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

It's really 60.  Ours does 1.4Gbps, 700Mbps full duplex (if every packet
was a VoIP packet)...500Mbps FDX is a more realistic real-world TCP
throughput that you can expect.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote:

  It’s really 60!



 *60 MHz *

 *CH*

 *N(*

 *G(*

 1

 5960.0250

 6212.0650

 2

 6019.3250

 6271.3650

 3

 6078.6250

 6330.6650

 4

 6137.9250

 6389.9650



 As far as XPIC on 30 MHz vs. 60 MHz it all depends on the environment.  If
 x-pol is needed to clear a channel, it isn’t going to be available on the
 orthogonal polarization.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 2:59 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous?



 I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel than
 to find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6 GHz,
 mainly because of antenna size.  Yes the FCC did relax the antenna rules to
 allow down to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you enough
 gain unless it’s a short link, especially given that 6 GHz is subject to
 multipath fades.  So bottom line I haven’t kept up with what you can do in
 6 GHz, so I could easily be wrong or behind the times.



 *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net

 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6
 GHz...  IIRC.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


  --

 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

 I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel
 widths can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist
 in 6 GHz, and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need
 to license 2 adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that
 does 80 MHz channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe
 having consistent equipment across your network to simplify sparing.





 *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com

 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz!
 Should I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?



 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 wrote:

 11 ghz integra







 Gino A. Villarini

 President

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 www.aeronetpr.com

 @aeronetpr







 *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Date: *Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
 *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz
 radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?

 On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most
 economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides
 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying
 another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options
 that won't cost an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

Header compression\deduplication. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:13:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 


That sounds backwards. Why would smaller packets net you greater throughput? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Jeremy  jeremysmi...@gmail.com  wrote: 



It's really 60. Ours does 1.4Gbps, 700Mbps full duplex (if every packet was a 
VoIP packet)...500Mbps FDX is a more realistic real-world TCP throughput that 
you can expect. 




On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Hardy, Tim  tha...@comsearch.com  wrote: 

blockquote



It’s really 60! 


60 MHz 

CH  
N(  
G( 

1   
5960.0250   
6212.0650 

2   
6019.3250   
6271.3650 

3   
6078.6250   
6330.6650 

4   
6137.9250   
6389.9650 

As far as XPIC on 30 MHz vs. 60 MHz it all depends on the environment. If x-pol 
is needed to clear a channel, it isn’t going to be available on the orthogonal 
polarization. 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:59 PM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 







In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous? 



I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel than to 
find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6 GHz, mainly 
because of antenna size. Yes the FCC did relax the antenna rules to allow down 
to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you enough gain unless it’s a 
short link, especially given that 6 GHz is subject to multipath fades. So 
bottom line I haven’t kept up with what you can do in 6 GHz, so I could easily 
be wrong or behind the times. 






From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 




30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6 GHz... 
IIRC. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 




From: Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 



I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel widths 
can be licensed in what bands. I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist in 6 GHz, and 
I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need to license 2 
adjacent channels. There is no benefit to having a radio that does 80 MHz 
channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe having consistent 
equipment across your network to simplify sparing. 








From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 




11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! Should 
I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go? 




On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini  g...@aeronetpr.com  wrote: 




11 ghz integra 








Gino A. Villarini 

President 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr 







From: TJ Trout  t...@voltbb.com  
Reply-To:  af@afmug.com   af@afmug.com  
Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM 
To:  af@afmug.com   af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 




I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz radio 
in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0? 

On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout  t...@voltbb.com  wrote: 
So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ? 







/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

A lot of people are tone deaf, but I think it's more rare than color
blindness.

The tone alignment has always worked very well for me.

I happen to be color blind, but it has not been a major problem for me.
I still see colors, but I think the intensity (or something) is
different. I usually do not have trouble separating the colors in cat5
(for example), but other simple color things have plagued me in the past.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/16/2015 11:59 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Make them pass a tone deafness test before you hire them?

Does such a thing even exist?

Apparently this must be a bit like being color blind. The tone is
really easy for me to use, far easier than looking at the numbers.
Yet I have been at sites with certain installers that claim they can't
hear any difference as they move the antenna around. I'm just standing
there scratching my head as they go right past the sweet spot.

Now if we are talking about 2.4 Canopy FSK, the tones are pretty
useless. 3.65 and 5Ghz

Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com
mailto:jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote:

How do I convince my installers to use the tone and stop calling the
NOC for numbers over the phone?

On 1/16/2015 1:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Mark
On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com wrote:
After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade
I'm holding off

Sent while mobile

On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware
lately.

On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
We have released 13.3 officially today. I know many of you have
been participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you
for all the feedback which has helped make it better…

Thanks again,
Matt

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

I don't think anything is faster than Ceragon IP-20C or Cambium 820C in 4x4 
using two channels. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:54:17 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ? 


So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

I hear people say they can’t do tone alignment all the time and I don’t believe 
it.  Supposedly only 4% of people are tone deaf.  Hey, I cannot sing the same 
note as the person next to me, but I have no trouble doing tone alignment.

When I get such people to use an amplified speaker, I find they suddenly like 
tone alignment.

Also I consistently find bad installs done “by the numbers” that would have 
been known at the time if the installer used tone alignment.  We have lots of 
problems with multipath here in flat corn belt country, and you can tell right 
off from the varying, warbling, or mushy tone that something is not right.  
Sometimes you can also hear that you are aligning on a sidelobe.  We also have 
a ton of wind turbines, which affect the signal in unpredictable ways even if 
the blades are not directly in the path, especially if there are multiple 
turbines along the path.  You can hear the tone varying in time with the blades 
spinning.  If you are aligning by the numbers, all this will be averaged out.

Also since you have constant feedback from the tone, but someone reading you 
numbers is only going to give you feedback every few seconds, you can do a more 
exact alignment with tones.  With numbers, in reality you are more likely to 
just be close to the peak not dead on it.

You should certainly do linktests and check the SNR before declaring it a 
successful install, but I really believe installers should be instructed to use 
tone alignment when it is available.

Just like I get climbers who pooh-pooh using a voltmeter to align licensed 
links, and just want the numbers called out to them.  Unless you have dB 
readout right on the radio, voltmeter on the BNC is the best way, instant 
feedback, very precise.  I especially like how Exalt makes the voltage 
basically a dB value so you can also tell if you are getting what was 
calculated.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

Well you definitely don't want to give them a firmware update that removes 
the feature. 

But seriously I would permit whatever the tech finds to be easier to align.  If 
they're better with numbers, let them.  I personally can't stand the alignment 
tone since I can't really hear what's better or worse.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com 
wrote:

  How do I convince my installers to use the tone and stop calling the NOC for 
numbers over the phone? 




  On 1/16/2015 1:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

That’s the way I read the release notes as well.
Could someone from Cambium please clarify?
I agree, it true, that’s a show stopper.
Installers will kill me if we have to go back to reading numbers over the 
phone.


From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.3 available

It's still says 'no alignment tone' on the release notes.

That's a show stopper for me.

Dear Cambium - that's not a minor bug and should not be in a release.   My 
apologies if I read the release note wrong.

Mark


  On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote:

  After having my .5 frequencies lost on sm's during the 13.2 upgrade I'm 
holding off

  Sent while mobile 


  On Jan 15, 2015, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:


Anyone brave enough yet? I've been too busy to play with firmware 
lately.

On 1/15/2015 12:13 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:

  We have released 13.3 officially today.  I know many of you have been 
participating in the beta for this, and want to thank you for all the feedback 
which has helped make it better…

  https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/

  We also have a thread dedicated to discussion of this release:

  
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-3-Now-Avaialble/m-p/37969#U37969

  Download and enjoy all the new functionality this brings to the 
platform!

  Thanks again,
  Matt

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

+1

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:17 PM, Mike Hammett 
af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:

I don't think anything is faster than Ceragon IP-20C or Cambium 820C in 4x4 
using two channels.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:54:17 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?


So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 2+0 
right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking about trying another 
brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my options that won't cost 
an arm and a leg ?

[AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

2015-01-16 Thread Dan Petermann

We are converting one of our oldest sites to 450.

Does anyone know if the older dishes have problems with the 450 SMs?

Some of these dishes are 10 years old. I wouldn’t think so, but you never know 
until you ask.

Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

2015-01-16 Thread Peter Kranz

If you convert from the original PMP100 RD25 dishes to RCL-2 dishes you will
experience a +4dB signal gain. So it depends on if you need that margin.

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

We are converting one of our oldest sites to 450.

Does anyone know if the older dishes have problems with the 450 SMs?

Some of these dishes are 10 years old. I wouldn't think so, but you never
know until you ask.

[AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So...  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul :)

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

[AFMUG] CNUT?

2015-01-16 Thread That One Guy

Is it gone/ Im not seeing it in the support downloads

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2015-01-16 Thread Rory Conaway

You should eat more fiber.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test

I’m back.
Been blocked for a while.
Thanks Paul.
Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:02 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test

Test worked


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:00 PM, SmarterBroadband 
li...@smarterbroadband.commailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com wrote:
Testing

Re: [AFMUG] CNUT?

2015-01-16 Thread That One Guy

nevermind it turned up


On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:37 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Is it gone/ Im not seeing it in the support downloads

 --
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925




-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

2015-01-16 Thread Dan Petermann

we are seeing some locations with signal strength ratios 20.0 dB V - H dB and 
I’m trying to figure out why.


On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:

 If you convert from the original PMP100 RD25 dishes to RCL-2 dishes you will
 experience a +4dB signal gain. So it depends on if you need that margin.
 
 Peter Kranz
 Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
 www.UnwiredLtd.com
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:30 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes
 
 We are converting one of our oldest sites to 450.
 
 Does anyone know if the older dishes have problems with the 450 SMs?
 
 Some of these dishes are 10 years old. I wouldn't think so, but you never
 know until you ask.

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

Had a link over 16 miles, have not had one issue even through heavy rains.
It has 3ft Radiowaves dishes.  Apex Plus. 56Mhz channel.  Don't be scared
Ken...


On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous?

 I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel than
 to find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6 GHz,
 mainly because of antenna size.  Yes the FCC did relax the antenna rules to
 allow down to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you enough
 gain unless it’s a short link, especially given that 6 GHz is subject to
 multipath fades.  So bottom line I haven’t kept up with what you can do in
 6 GHz, so I could easily be wrong or behind the times.

  *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

  30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6
 GHz...  IIRC.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

  I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel
 widths can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist
 in 6 GHz, and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need
 to license 2 adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that
 does 80 MHz channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe
 having consistent equipment across your network to simplify sparing.


  *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

  11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz!
 Should I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 wrote:

   11 ghz integra



 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



 From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?


 I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz
 radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
 On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the
 most economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much
 besides 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking
 about trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are
 my options that won't cost an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

Sure it wasn’t a muskrat?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:19 AM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

The big rat came when I was working on my brother-in-law's farm when I was a 
teenager.  A mother rat had somehow taken up residence in a corn silo.  She 
made a whole family/nest inside that giant silo.

We were pulling out corn to feed the cattle, when her whole nest came out the 
hopper.  She was bigger than a cat!  Yow!  She was running around trying to 
figure out where to go, and all I could think of was how to hit her with the 
shovel!  Geeze was she big.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/16/2015 9:03 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  Sounds like you have some rats on HGH trying to get swoll for the Arnold 
Classic. :)

  On January 16, 2015 7:59:34 AM AKST, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com 
wrote: 
Snakes don't bother me at all.  But those dang 20 lb rats scare the crap 
out of me...

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/16/2015 8:05 AM, That One Guy wrote:

  The mice dont bother me, unless theyre eating my cables. The rats on the 
other hand, Unless theyre being fed to a snake, I dont have much use for them. 
Miniature evil possums.

  On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

Damn, you reminded me, I have a battery box I need to open up because 
I’ve seen mice going in and out.  I was not looking forward to that, probably 
why it slipped my mind.  At least it’s not snakes.  In fact, if we had snakes, 
that would probably take care of the mice.  Especially climbing snakes like in 
the photo.

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 7:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

I have learned to ignore the mice in the elevator.   The time I tried 
to stomp one it disappeared into my laptop bag - ARG!   

Mark

  On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:29 AM, That One Guy 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  we have a manlift at one of the elevators that is infamous for rats 
jumping out on you when you get moving. We have learned to shake the shit out 
of the cage before we get in

  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jaime Solorza 
losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

Yikes.  

Jaime Solorza

On Jan 15, 2015 1:53 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

  Snakes on a tower? http://i.imgur.com/ap0VRTd.jpg

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard 
mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:

No... they'd probably take a bomb along for good measure and 
start wrecking all our towers.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
wrote:

  Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all jihadists to do 
this.

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

  Darwinism.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan 
installe...@foxvalley.net wrote:

Scary thing is, there are lightly secured tower sites all 
over America.  Some 15 year old will eventually try this.

On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  Heh.

  Video just hit the front page of CNN.

  On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: 
I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't 
given, since it's on GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I 
would bet that the guy that got killed watched this video before he went out 
and tried it.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce 
jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote:

  Why does everyone assume permission was not given?

  On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of 
GoPro to have it on their Youtube channel.  

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM
To: WISPA General List; af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] holy crap...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY

A little too close to those guy wires

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  Guys,



 We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.
 It will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the
 event.   You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from
 it or our API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no
 good work around for that as everything ties through the API to work with
 Amazon)



 So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!



 Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove
 the list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be
 accessed until such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is
 acceptable)



 SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If
 have any immediate questions, please email
 probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com



 Paul J



 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net

[AFMUG] Tower monitoring

Looking for tower monitoring, with 4 dry contacts, ethernet connectivity
and built-in alerting, any solutions, besides ITWatchdogs?  Low cost.

Re: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

mFi? 

PacketFlux? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:54:05 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring 


Looking for tower monitoring, with 4 dry contacts, ethernet connectivity and 
built-in alerting, any solutions, besides ITWatchdogs? Low cost.

Re: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

Built-in alerting.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower Consulting
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 mFi?

 PacketFlux?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 16, 2015 2:54:05 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Tower monitoring

 Looking for tower monitoring, with 4 dry contacts, ethernet connectivity
 and built-in alerting, any solutions, besides ITWatchdogs?  Low cost.

Re: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

Tycon?

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Erich Kaiser 
er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com wrote:

Built-in alerting.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower Consulting
er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Mike Hammett 
af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
mFi?

PacketFlux?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: Erich Kaiser 
er...@northcentraltower.commailto:er...@northcentraltower.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:54:05 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

Looking for tower monitoring, with 4 dry contacts, ethernet connectivity and 
built-in alerting, any solutions, besides ITWatchdogs?  Low cost.

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

2015-01-16 Thread Jon Langeler

compression yields a lot at 64byte packet, but yields much less at 256byte and 
larger...it's a curve. 

Also if your upgrading a long 5GHz link with 6Ghz, you'll probably be slightly 
better off even if the calcs say 'low uptime'. 11GHz will 'swing' during rains 
more than 6GHz obviously so the higher gain from the same size dishes helps 
there. Licensing a wide single polarity is always cheapest...

-Jon

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 16, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
 That sounds backwards.  Why would smaller packets net you greater throughput?
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's really 60.  Ours does 1.4Gbps, 700Mbps full duplex (if every packet was 
 a VoIP packet)...500Mbps FDX is a more realistic real-world TCP throughput 
 that you can expect.
 
 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote:
 It’s really 60!
 
  
 
 60 MHz
 
 CH
 
 N(
 
 G(
 
 1
 
 5960.0250
 
 6212.0650
 
 2
 
 6019.3250
 
 6271.3650
 
 3
 
 6078.6250
 
 6330.6650
 
 4
 
 6137.9250
 
 6389.9650
 
  
 
 As far as XPIC on 30 MHz vs. 60 MHz it all depends on the environment.  If 
 x-pol is needed to clear a channel, it isn’t going to be available on the 
 orthogonal polarization.
 
  
 
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:59 PM
 
 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
  
 
 In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous?
 
  
 
 I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel than 
 to find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6 GHz, 
 mainly because of antenna size.  Yes the FCC did relax the antenna rules to 
 allow down to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you enough 
 gain unless it’s a short link, especially given that 6 GHz is subject to 
 multipath fades.  So bottom line I haven’t kept up with what you can do in 
 6 GHz, so I could easily be wrong or behind the times.
 
  
 
 From: Mike Hammett
 
 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM
 
 To: af@afmug.com
 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
 
  
 
 30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6 
 GHz...  IIRC.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
  
 
 From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
 
 I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel 
 widths can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist 
 in 6 GHz, and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need 
 to license 2 adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that 
 does 80 MHz channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe 
 having consistent equipment across your network to simplify sparing.
 
  
 
  
 
 From: TJ Trout
 
 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM
 
 To: af@afmug.com
 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
 
  
 
 11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! 
 Should I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?
 
  
 
 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 
 11 ghz integra
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 Gino A. Villarini
 
 President
 
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 
 www.aeronetpr.com  
 
 @aeronetpr
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
 
  
 
 I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz 
 radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
 
 On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
 
 So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the most 
 economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much besides 
 2+0 right now (maybe that's  my best option?) So I was thinking about 
 trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are my 
 options that won't cost an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

Jay uses WEB600.

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

Looking for tower monitoring, with 4 dry contacts, ethernet connectivity and 
built-in alerting, any solutions, besides ITWatchdogs?  Low cost.

Re: [AFMUG] Tower monitoring

Does it have dry contacts?

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower Consulting
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  Tycon?

 Gino A. Villarini
 @gvillarini



 On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
 wrote:

   Built-in alerting.

  Erich Kaiser
 North Central Tower Consulting
 er...@northcentraltower.com
 Office: 630-621-4804
 Cell: 630-777-9291

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  mFi?

 PacketFlux?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
  *From: *Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 16, 2015 2:54:05 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Tower monitoring

 Looking for tower monitoring, with 4 dry contacts, ethernet connectivity
 and built-in alerting, any solutions, besides ITWatchdogs?  Low cost.

Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

There was some discussion that because of the way the metalization was done 
inside the old fiberglass 27RD dishes, it would not work with dual 
polarization.  I'm pretty sure we must have changed out some FSK for 450 
though on the old fiberglass dishes by now and have not seen that problem.


I have seen what you describe I think when I had FW 13.1.2 on the AP and 
13.2 on the SM.  It would resolve upon running a linktest but then come 
back.  Went away by making sure everything was on 13.2.  Might have been a 
fluke though, FW upgrade involves a reboot, never know if that was what did 
it.



-Original Message- 
From: Dan Petermann

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

we are seeing some locations with signal strength ratios 20.0 dB V - H dB 
and Iï¿½m trying to figure out why.



On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:

If you convert from the original PMP100 RD25 dishes to RCL-2 dishes you 
will

experience a +4dB signal gain. So it depends on if you need that margin.

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Old Canopy Dishes

We are converting one of our oldest sites to 450.

Does anyone know if the older dishes have problems with the 450 SMs?

Some of these dishes are 10 years old. I wouldn't think so, but you never
know until you ask.

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

It will be a manual subscription….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  It will be a manual subscription….



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup



 Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

 Guys,



 We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.
 It will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the
 event.   You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from
 it or our API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no
 good work around for that as everything ties through the API to work with
 Amazon)



 So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!



 Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove
 the list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be
 accessed until such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is
 acceptable)



 SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If
 have any immediate questions, please email
 probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com



 Paul J



 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

2015-01-16 Thread James Howard

A friend of mine grew up in New York and says they had sewer rats that big all 
over the place when he was a kid.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

Sure it wasn’t a muskrat?

From: Bill Princemailto:part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:19 AM
To: Motorola IIImailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

The big rat came when I was working on my brother-in-law's farm when I was a 
teenager.  A mother rat had somehow taken up residence in a corn silo.  She 
made a whole family/nest inside that giant silo.

We were pulling out corn to feed the cattle, when her whole nest came out the 
hopper.  She was bigger than a cat!  Yow!  She was running around trying to 
figure out where to go, and all I could think of was how to hit her with the 
shovel!  Geeze was she big.

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/16/2015 9:03 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Sounds like you have some rats on HGH trying to get swoll for the Arnold 
Classic. :)
On January 16, 2015 7:59:34 AM AKST, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com 
wrote:
Snakes don't bother me at all.  But those dang 20 lb rats scare the crap out of 
me...

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/16/2015 8:05 AM, That One Guy wrote:
The mice dont bother me, unless theyre eating my cables. The rats on the other 
hand, Unless theyre being fed to a snake, I dont have much use for them. 
Miniature evil possums.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Ken Hohhof 
af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Damn, you reminded me, I have a battery box I need to open up because I’ve seen 
mice going in and out.  I was not looking forward to that, probably why it 
slipped my mind.  At least it’s not snakes.  In fact, if we had snakes, that 
would probably take care of the mice.  Especially climbing snakes like in the 
photo.

From: Mark Radabaughmailto:m...@amplex.net
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 7:17 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

I have learned to ignore the mice in the elevator.   The time I tried to stomp 
one it disappeared into my laptop bag - ARG!

Mark

On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:29 AM, That One Guy 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

we have a manlift at one of the elevators that is infamous for rats jumping out 
on you when you get moving. We have learned to shake the shit out of the cage 
before we get in

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jaime Solorza 
losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

Yikes.

Jaime Solorza
On Jan 15, 2015 1:53 PM, Chuck Hogg 
ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
Snakes on a tower? http://i.imgur.com/ap0VRTd.jpg

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard 
mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
No... they'd probably take a bomb along for good measure and start wrecking all 
our towers.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof 
af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Maybe we need a fake ISIS tweet telling all jihadists to do this.

From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] holy crap...

Darwinism.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 15, 2015 11:28 AM, Brian Sullivan 
installe...@foxvalley.netmailto:installe...@foxvalley.net wrote:
Scary thing is, there are lightly secured tower sites all over America.  Some 
15 year old will eventually try this.
On 1/15/2015 10:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Heh.

Video just hit the front page of CNN.
On January 15, 2015 7:17:16 AM AKST, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com 
wrote:
I think it's pretty unlikely that permission wasn't given, since it's on 
GoPro's youtube channel... but it was still a bad idea. I would bet that the 
guy that got killed watched this video before he went out and tried it.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Jon Bruce 
jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.commailto:jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote:
Why does everyone assume permission was not given?

On 1/15/2015 10:34 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
Idiots…. And, yeah, also pretty irresponsible of GoPro to have it on their 
Youtube channel.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM
To: WISPA General List; af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] holy crap...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3q3ZC5fcnY

A little too close to those guy wires for my blood.

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Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread James Howard

Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually reading 
Paul’s email…….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
It will be a manual subscription….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
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Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Josh,

Bro… did you actually read the whole first email?   LOL

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
It will be a manual subscription….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

+1 LOL

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually reading 
Paul’s email…….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
It will be a manual subscription….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
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Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

2015-01-16 Thread James Howard

Depends on how they’re cooked.  They can be really sticky sometimes or hard if 
they’re not cooked enough….  Aside from that, I don’t know what’s wrong with 
noodles.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

What's wrong with noodles?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 4:33 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
+1 LOL

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually reading 
Paul’s email…….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
It will be a manual subscription….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Guys,

We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.  It 
will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the event. 
  You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from it or our 
API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no good work 
around for that as everything ties through the API to work with Amazon)

So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!

Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove the 
list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be accessed until 
such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is acceptable)

SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If have any 
immediate questions, please email 
probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.commailto:probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com

Paul ☺

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
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Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

What is my least expensive option for getting  more bandwidth in 6ghz or
11ghz ? Right now I have 366mbps (56mhz 256qam) would like double or better?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net
wrote:

 compression yields a lot at 64byte packet, but yields much less at 256byte
 and larger...it's a curve.

 Also if your upgrading a long 5GHz link with 6Ghz, you'll probably be
 slightly better off even if the calcs say 'low uptime'. 11GHz will 'swing'
 during rains more than 6GHz obviously so the higher gain from the same size
 dishes helps there. Licensing a wide single polarity is always cheapest...

 -Jon

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 16, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 That sounds backwards.  Why would smaller packets net you greater
 throughput?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's really 60.  Ours does 1.4Gbps, 700Mbps full duplex (if every packet
 was a VoIP packet)...500Mbps FDX is a more realistic real-world TCP
 throughput that you can expect.

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote:

  It’s really 60!



 *60 MHz *

 *CH*

 *N(*

 *G(*

 1

 5960.0250

 6212.0650

 2

 6019.3250

 6271.3650

 3

 6078.6250

 6330.6650

 4

 6137.9250

 6389.9650



 As far as XPIC on 30 MHz vs. 60 MHz it all depends on the environment.
 If x-pol is needed to clear a channel, it isn’t going to be available on
 the orthogonal polarization.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 2:59 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous?



 I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel
 than to find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6
 GHz, mainly because of antenna size.  Yes the FCC did relax the antenna
 rules to allow down to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you
 enough gain unless it’s a short link, especially given that 6 GHz is
 subject to multipath fades.  So bottom line I haven’t kept up with what you
 can do in 6 GHz, so I could easily be wrong or behind the times.



 *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net

 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6
 GHz...  IIRC.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


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 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

 I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel
 widths can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist
 in 6 GHz, and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need
 to license 2 adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that
 does 80 MHz channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe
 having consistent equipment across your network to simplify sparing.





 *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com

 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz!
 Should I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?



 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 wrote:

 11 ghz integra







 Gino A. Villarini

 President

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 www.aeronetpr.com

 @aeronetpr







 *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Date: *Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
 *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz
 radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?

 On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the
 most economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much
 besides 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking
 about trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are
 my options that won't cost an arm and a leg ?

Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup

Usually very tasty!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 4:46 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote:

 Depends on how they’re cooked.  They can be really sticky sometimes or
 hard if they’re not cooked enough….  Aside from that, I don’t know what’s
 wrong with noodles.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 3:42 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup



 What's wrong with noodles?!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jan 16, 2015 4:33 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

 +1 LOL



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 4:32 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup



 Looks like Josh is asking for a wet noodle lashing for not actually
 reading Paul’s email…….



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 3:21 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup



 OK, please post to the list when/how if you wouldn't mind =)




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

 It will be a manual subscription….



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 3:51 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF2015 List setup



 Are you putting people in it or do we need to subscribe manually?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jan 16, 2015 3:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

 Guys,



 We are going to be setting up a separate list for the AFMUG conference.
 It will be called AF2015 and be active to sign up for a few days before the
 event.   You will need to subscribe to AF2015, but do NOT unsubscribe from
 it or our API will unsubscribe you from the main AFMUG list as well.  (no
 good work around for that as everything ties through the API to work with
 Amazon)



 So…  You can join but you can never leave, haha!



 Seriously, after the event when people stop posting, we will just remove
 the list.  There will be an archive for the AF2015 group that can be
 accessed until such time as Chuck says to stop it (indefinitely is
 acceptable)



 SPECIFIC DETAILS FOR SIGNUP WILL BE ANNOUNCED on Monday, Feb 2nd.  If
 have any immediate questions, please email
 probablynotgonnagetarespo...@bepatientplease.com



 Paul J



 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net




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Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

Are you buying everything new?  Ask SAF what bands work with your proposed
link.  Consider dish size.

Now with possible bands, see what are available from a frequency
coordinator.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 4:48 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 What is my least expensive option for getting  more bandwidth in 6ghz or
 11ghz ? Right now I have 366mbps (56mhz 256qam) would like double or better?

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net
 wrote:

 compression yields a lot at 64byte packet, but yields much less at
 256byte and larger...it's a curve.

 Also if your upgrading a long 5GHz link with 6Ghz, you'll probably be
 slightly better off even if the calcs say 'low uptime'. 11GHz will 'swing'
 during rains more than 6GHz obviously so the higher gain from the same size
 dishes helps there. Licensing a wide single polarity is always cheapest...

 -Jon

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 16, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 That sounds backwards.  Why would smaller packets net you greater
 throughput?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's really 60.  Ours does 1.4Gbps, 700Mbps full duplex (if every packet
 was a VoIP packet)...500Mbps FDX is a more realistic real-world TCP
 throughput that you can expect.

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com
 wrote:

  It’s really 60!



 *60 MHz *

 *CH*

 *N(*

 *G(*

 1

 5960.0250

 6212.0650

 2

 6019.3250

 6271.3650

 3

 6078.6250

 6330.6650

 4

 6137.9250

 6389.9650



 As far as XPIC on 30 MHz vs. 60 MHz it all depends on the environment.
 If x-pol is needed to clear a channel, it isn’t going to be available on
 the orthogonal polarization.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 2:59 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous?



 I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel
 than to find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 6
 GHz, mainly because of antenna size.  Yes the FCC did relax the antenna
 rules to allow down to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you
 enough gain unless it’s a short link, especially given that 6 GHz is
 subject to multipath fades.  So bottom line I haven’t kept up with what you
 can do in 6 GHz, so I could easily be wrong or behind the times.



 *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net

 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6
 GHz...  IIRC.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


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 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?

 I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel
 widths can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist
 in 6 GHz, and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you need
 to license 2 adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a radio that
 does 80 MHz channels if that’s not what you license, other than maybe
 having consistent equipment across your network to simplify sparing.





 *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com

 *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz!
 Should I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to go?



 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 wrote:

 11 ghz integra







 Gino A. Villarini

 President

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 www.aeronetpr.com

 @aeronetpr







 *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
 *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Date: *Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
 *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?



 I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz
 radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?

 On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the
 most economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much
 besides 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking
 about trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are
 my options that won't cost an arm and a

Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?