[AFMUG] Scientists Build A Working 'Star Trek' Tractor Beam - In Miniature - Forbes. I want one

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bridaineparnell/2015/10/28/star-trek-tractor-beam/

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Scientists Build A Working 'Star Trek' Tractor Beam - In Miniature - Forbes. I want one

[Jaime Solorza]

Cool way to get my beer

Jaime Solorza
On Oct 28, 2015 8:28 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/bridaineparnell/2015/10/28/star-trek-tractor-beam/
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

[Chuck McCown]

Reminds me of the Boeing shop that had to use electricians to turn on welders.  
The welders could not start and top their own machine.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

My first job out of college was at the manufacturing arm of GTE.  It was a 
union shop, even the secretaries were union.  I was an engineer and non union, 
but we got whatever COL increase the union got.

Every couple years the contract would come up for renewal, and the whole 
factory would work overtime to stockpile enough product for a 2 week strike.  
Then there would be a strike, which was like a vacation for the workers, who 
had all that overtime money banked.  Then the union would settle for pretty 
much the original offer, and everyone would go back to work.

One year while I was there, there was no strike.  So there had to be a 2 week 
layoff while they worked off all that inventory they had stockpiled.  I guess 
it worked out the same in the end.

As a new guy, I got my hand slapped a couple times.  Had to learn not to give 
typing to a secretary, that went to a clerk-typist.  And one time I took off a 
wallplate to check if the outlet was grounded, and nearly had a union grievance.

From: James Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

I thought that was the typical union attitude.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

 

jesus christ are you fucking nuts, could you imagine that attitude with union 
backing?

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:00 PM, James Howard  wrote:

Sounds like they need to unionize.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

 

my guys would have taken 2 days to assemble, one day to put up the section, a 
half a day to load the gear in the van, which would make it too late to hang 
the gear, theyd get out by noon the next day to hang it, get half done by 4, 
even though we quit at 5, another day to finish installing, and id have to send 
them back the next day because they forgot it needed cables

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

Oh that makes more sense =P




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

To add a section.   Yes i did

Jaime Solorza

On Oct 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

You used a gin pole for that?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Installed 2.4GHz omni with Rocket 2. A Nanobeam AC.  120 Degree sector with M5 
and 45 Degree sector with Rocket ACi moved all sectors to the top...

Jaime Solorza

 

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




Total Control Panel
   Login
   
 
  To: ja...@litewire.net
 
  From: 
0150ab14df34-d2e26598-8520-4383-95ef-425a782d20d7-000...@amazonses.com
 
   Remove amazonses.com from my allow list
 
   
 
You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on 
your allow list.
   
 

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




Total Control Panel
   Login
   
 
  To: ja...@litewire.net
 
  From: 
0150ab1b6f7a-fc17d00c-66a8-48a9-a5db-0f06089ee0ba-000...@amazonses.com
 
   Remove amazonses.com from my allow list
 
   
 
You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on 
your allow list.
   
 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Power Supplies for PTP400

[Lewis Bergman]

You could use Chuck's power inserter series and a standard 48 VDC supply.
At least I think you could. If I remember right, those have 0VDC pins 4 and
7 and 55 (max) VDC on 5 and 8.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015, 12:57 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> We have a bunch of PTP400s we acquired without power supplies.
>
>
>
> Is there an alternative to the Standard Motorola model?
>
>
>
> Or is someone sitting on a bunch of power supplies they want to part with ?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

[D. Ryan Spott]

A friend of mine worked for a very large telco as an non-represented IT guy 
working on local LANs. 

One of his co-workers was friendly with an IBEW telco guy and let him watch the 
install of a Cisco 2500 series router with a T1.

IBEW declared that work to be Union work. They demanded, and got, the previous 
7 years of hourly pay that !2! Union employees would have gotten for ALL the 
router installs nationwide. Not a single Union member got any part of those 
monies. :(

They tried to make it so Union members would need to plug and unplug hard 
drives inside machines after a nonunion person unscrewed and opened them. 

Silly Union things. I am the son of a Union mason/carpenter. I love wearing my 
grandfathers 50 year IBEW pin when I go to the power company to talk about 
poles. ;) eyes bug out. 

ryan

-- 
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

> On Oct 27, 2015, at 14:44, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> My first job out of college was at the manufacturing arm of GTE.  It was a 
> union shop, even the secretaries were union.  I was an engineer and non 
> union, but we got whatever COL increase the union got.
>  
> Every couple years the contract would come up for renewal, and the whole 
> factory would work overtime to stockpile enough product for a 2 week strike.  
> Then there would be a strike, which was like a vacation for the workers, who 
> had all that overtime money banked.  Then the union would settle for pretty 
> much the original offer, and everyone would go back to work.
>  
> One year while I was there, there was no strike.  So there had to be a 2 week 
> layoff while they worked off all that inventory they had stockpiled.  I guess 
> it worked out the same in the end.
>  
> As a new guy, I got my hand slapped a couple times.  Had to learn not to give 
> typing to a secretary, that went to a clerk-typist.  And one time I took off 
> a wallplate to check if the outlet was grounded, and nearly had a union 
> grievance.
>  
> From: James Howard
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:15 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done
>  
> I thought that was the typical union attitude.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done
>  
> jesus christ are you fucking nuts, could you imagine that attitude with union 
> backing?
>  
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:00 PM, James Howard  wrote:
> Sounds like they need to unionize.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On  Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done
>  
> my guys would have taken 2 days to assemble, one day to put up the section, a 
> half a day to load the gear in the van, which would make it too late to hang 
> the gear, theyd get out by noon the next day to hang it, get half done by 4, 
> even though we quit at 5, another day to finish installing, and id have to 
> send them back the next day because they forgot it needed cables
>  
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> Oh that makes more sense =P
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Jaime Solorza  
> wrote:
> To add a section.   Yes i did
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> 
> On Oct 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:
> You used a gin pole for that?
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza  
> wrote:
> Installed 2.4GHz omni with Rocket 2. A Nanobeam AC.  120 Degree sector with 
> M5 and 45 Degree sector with Rocket ACi moved all sectors to the top...
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the  team.
> Total Control Panel
> Login
> To: ja...@litewire.net
> From: 
> 0150ab14df34-d2e26598-8520-4383-95ef-425a782d20d7-000...@amazonses.com
> Remove amazonses.com from my allow list
> You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow 
> list.
>  
> 
> 
>  
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the  team.
> Total Control Panel
> Login
> To: ja...@litewire.net
> From: 
> 0150ab1b6f7a-fc17d00c-66a8-48a9-a5db-0f06089ee0ba-000...@amazonses.com
> Remove amazonses.com from my allow list
> You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow 
> list.
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

[Paul Stewart]

I have seen so many companies get destroyed by unions that are out of control 
.. not a fan of unions at all personally …

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 12:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

 

A friend of mine worked for a very large telco as an non-represented IT guy 
working on local LANs. 

 

One of his co-workers was friendly with an IBEW telco guy and let him watch the 
install of a Cisco 2500 series router with a T1.

 

IBEW declared that work to be Union work. They demanded, and got, the previous 
7 years of hourly pay that !2! Union employees would have gotten for ALL the 
router installs nationwide. Not a single Union member got any part of those 
monies. :(

 

They tried to make it so Union members would need to plug and unplug hard 
drives inside machines after a nonunion person unscrewed and opened them. 

 

Silly Union things. I am the son of a Union mason/carpenter. I love wearing my 
grandfathers 50 year IBEW pin when I go to the power company to talk about 
poles. ;) eyes bug out. 

 

ryan

-- 

D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc

broadband | telco | colo | communities

PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294

425-939-0047


On Oct 27, 2015, at 14:44, Ken Hohhof  
> wrote:

My first job out of college was at the manufacturing arm of GTE.  It was a 
union shop, even the secretaries were union.  I was an engineer and non union, 
but we got whatever COL increase the union got.

 

Every couple years the contract would come up for renewal, and the whole 
factory would work overtime to stockpile enough product for a 2 week strike.  
Then there would be a strike, which was like a vacation for the workers, who 
had all that overtime money banked.  Then the union would settle for pretty 
much the original offer, and everyone would go back to work.

 

One year while I was there, there was no strike.  So there had to be a 2 week 
layoff while they worked off all that inventory they had stockpiled.  I guess 
it worked out the same in the end.

 

As a new guy, I got my hand slapped a couple times.  Had to learn not to give 
typing to a secretary, that went to a clerk-typist.  And one time I took off a 
wallplate to check if the outlet was grounded, and nearly had a union grievance.

 

From: James Howard   

Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:15 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

 

I thought that was the typical union attitude.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

 

jesus christ are you fucking nuts, could you imagine that attitude with union 
backing?

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:00 PM, James Howard  > wrote:

Sounds like they need to unionize.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

 

my guys would have taken 2 days to assemble, one day to put up the section, a 
half a day to load the gear in the van, which would make it too late to hang 
the gear, theyd get out by noon the next day to hang it, get half done by 4, 
even though we quit at 5, another day to finish installing, and id have to send 
them back the next day because they forgot it needed cables

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Oh that makes more sense =P




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:

To add a section.   Yes i did

Jaime Solorza

On Oct 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "Josh Luthman"  > wrote:

You used a gin pole for that?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:

Installed 2.4GHz omni with Rocket 2. A Nanobeam AC.  120 Degree sector with M5 
and 45 Degree sector with Rocket ACi moved all sectors to the top...

Jaime Solorza

 

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


  _  



Total Control Panel

Login  




To: ja...@litewire.net 

 


From: 

Re: [AFMUG] MIT Using RF To See Through Walls, ID People etc

[Steve]

About 5 years ago I remember an article they were testing using microwaves to 
bound off doors and walls to see around corners or take pictures somehow.  

Ahh yes here it is.  

http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/20/2888137/mit-media-lab-laser-camera-shoot-around-corners

- Original Message -
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 1:54:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MIT Using RF To See Through Walls, ID People  etc

I think I saw this in a Dick Tracy Cartoon back in the 90's


On 10/28/2015 12:52 PM, Steve wrote:
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/10/mit-uses-wireless-signals-to-identify-people-through-walls/
>
> MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab is developing a device 
> that uses wireless signals to identify human figures through walls. Called 
> RF-Capture, the technology “can trace a person’s hand as he writes in the air 
> and even distinguish between 15 different people through a wall with nearly 
> 90 percent accuracy,” MIT said in an announcement today.

Re: [AFMUG] New Speedtest.net server for us

[Peter Kranz]

Got this from my desktop.

 



 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Bug outages

[Eric Muehleisen]

We keep our equipment in enclosures so they are protected and not tampered
with.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Any of you guys have bugs causing outages?  Our boxes are all pretty well
> sealed, but our commercial tower site that we lease space on is packed full
> of Box Elder bugs, stink bugs, wasps, ladybugs, and mice.  They all seem to
> be seeking warmth for the coming winter.  We lost two major switches in two
> days, I believe due to bugs climbing inside and shorting out the switches.
> I've screened the replacement.  Here's hoping that it works!!!
>

Re: [AFMUG] MIT Using RF To See Through Walls, ID People etc

[Nate Burke]

I think I saw this in a Dick Tracy Cartoon back in the 90's


On 10/28/2015 12:52 PM, Steve wrote:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/10/mit-uses-wireless-signals-to-identify-people-through-walls/

MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab is developing a device 
that uses wireless signals to identify human figures through walls. Called 
RF-Capture, the technology “can trace a person’s hand as he writes in the air 
and even distinguish between 15 different people through a wall with nearly 90 
percent accuracy,” MIT said in an announcement today.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium RMA Form still broke?

[Josh Luthman]

Yell on this forum.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Oct 28, 2015 1:51 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> I've filled out the RMA Form online twice now for some bad EPMP radios (2
> weeks ago, and again yesterday), but have not heard anything back on either
> one.  How can I tell if the form is actually working?
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bug outages

[Josh Luthman]

We don't get bugs in the enclosures normally.  Maybe a spider or two, but
that's about the worst of it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Any of you guys have bugs causing outages?  Our boxes are all pretty well
> sealed, but our commercial tower site that we lease space on is packed full
> of Box Elder bugs, stink bugs, wasps, ladybugs, and mice.  They all seem to
> be seeking warmth for the coming winter.  We lost two major switches in two
> days, I believe due to bugs climbing inside and shorting out the switches.
> I've screened the replacement.  Here's hoping that it works!!!
>

[AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

[Ken Hohhof]

I have always heard of PCI compliance in terms of a business like a gas 
station where customers swipe cards at the pumps.


But I have a customer with a credit card reader terminal in their office 
that is making this big fuss because they annually do a PCI audit apparently 
to avoid a $20/month fee from their credit card processor.  Maybe I don't 
even realize we pay that, there is some $200/year PCI compliance fee we pay.


Anyway, this is not where some auditors show up, but rather a cloud based 
scan they run from one of their computers until they pass, then they print 
out the report and send it in.


And apparently the customer decided to have us replace Frontier and then do 
their annual scan the next day.  They claim they passed every year previous, 
hard to believe the Frontier modem they were using as their router having 
username/password set to admin/admin was not an issue.  Their first 
complaint to us was their WiFi password was not complex enough.  Well, we 
just set it to what you were already using.  Then they had some complaint 
about DNS.


Now they are saying they have to report that we manage the router remotely, 
and that may be a problem.  Is it?  We close off everything but Winbox.  It 
seems a lot more secure to me than having a web interface with admin/admin. 
I told the customer they are welcome to supply and manage their own router, 
but if they get a leased, managed router from us, well ... we manage it. 
Remotely.


Has anyone dealt with this issue already? 

[AFMUG] MIT Using RF To See Through Walls, ID People etc

[Steve]

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/10/mit-uses-wireless-signals-to-identify-people-through-walls/

MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab is developing a device 
that uses wireless signals to identify human figures through walls. Called 
RF-Capture, the technology “can trace a person’s hand as he writes in the air 
and even distinguish between 15 different people through a wall with nearly 90 
percent accuracy,” MIT said in an announcement today.

[AFMUG] Cambium RMA Form still broke?

[Nate Burke]

I've filled out the RMA Form online twice now for some bad EPMP radios 
(2 weeks ago, and again yesterday), but have not heard anything back on 
either one.  How can I tell if the form is actually working?


Nate

[AFMUG] OT: Okay you gun loving dudes....here is your chance

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/28/2-fighter-jets-track-jlens-blimp-that-has-broken-free-its-tether-in-maryland/

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

Re: [AFMUG] Bug outages

[Ken Hohhof]

Which NEMA classification?  I would expect bugs could get into a NEMA 3R but 
not a NEMA 4, unless they are getting in through vents or glands.

Oh, and I can verify that mice can get through the holes in the back of 
Routerboard enclosures intended for antennas.  Need to put goof plugs in those.

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bug outages

A NEMA will keep out rain, but not bugs.  I just had a sealed NEMA box filled 
with Ants (The little tiny ones).  Lucky I happened to be at the site just 
after they moved in before they caused any damage.  There's also a big giant 
spider that lives in there, but he doesn't cause me any problems, so I just let 
him watch while I'm working on it.



On 10/28/2015 2:01 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

  We see equipment failures from bugs occasionally. Generally in the spring and 
then some this time of year. Seems to be mostly ants. Not so much on our major 
tower sites, but on small repeaters we usually put a small plastic electrical 
enclosure and seal the cables with silicon. Ants seem to be able to chew right 
through it and start to nest inside the router (usually a RB750UP). Also lose a 
few CPE per year due to the same problem. We started putting some sort of ant 
poison granules in the boxes this year, seems to work but too early to know for 
sure. 

  On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

We keep our equipment in enclosures so they are protected and not tampered 
with.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

  Any of you guys have bugs causing outages?  Our boxes are all pretty well 
sealed, but our commercial tower site that we lease space on is packed full of 
Box Elder bugs, stink bugs, wasps, ladybugs, and mice.  They all seem to be 
seeking warmth for the coming winter.  We lost two major switches in two days, 
I believe due to bugs climbing inside and shorting out the switches.  I've 
screened the replacement.  Here's hoping that it works!!!

Re: [AFMUG] Bug outages

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

at least youre not dealing with these guys:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/attack-crazy-ants-ant-species-arrives-taste-electronics/story?id=19246157

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Which NEMA classification?  I would expect bugs could get into a NEMA 3R
> but not a NEMA 4, unless they are getting in through vents or glands.
>
> Oh, and I can verify that mice can get through the holes in the back of
> Routerboard enclosures intended for antennas.  Need to put goof plugs in
> those.
>
> *From:* Nate Burke 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 2:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bug outages
>
> A NEMA will keep out rain, but not bugs.  I just had a sealed NEMA box
> filled with Ants (The little tiny ones).  Lucky I happened to be at the
> site just after they moved in before they caused any damage.  There's also
> a big giant spider that lives in there, but he doesn't cause me any
> problems, so I just let him watch while I'm working on it.
>
>
> On 10/28/2015 2:01 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>
> We see equipment failures from bugs occasionally. Generally in the spring
> and then some this time of year. Seems to be mostly ants. Not so much on
> our major tower sites, but on small repeaters we usually put a small
> plastic electrical enclosure and seal the cables with silicon. Ants seem to
> be able to chew right through it and start to nest inside the router
> (usually a RB750UP). Also lose a few CPE per year due to the same problem.
> We started putting some sort of ant poison granules in the boxes this year,
> seems to work but too early to know for sure.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
>> We keep our equipment in enclosures so they are protected and not
>> tampered with.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> Any of you guys have bugs causing outages?  Our boxes are all pretty
>>> well sealed, but our commercial tower site that we lease space on is packed
>>> full of Box Elder bugs, stink bugs, wasps, ladybugs, and mice.  They all
>>> seem to be seeking warmth for the coming winter.  We lost two major
>>> switches in two days, I believe due to bugs climbing inside and shorting
>>> out the switches.  I've screened the replacement.  Here's hoping that it
>>> works!!!
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Does it get gigabit with the cambium power supply?

Have you tried a different port on the injector?  (To rule out a bad port
somehow missed in testing here)
On Oct 28, 2015 2:01 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> I have a PacketFlux SyncInjector Gigabit that goes to the 450i.  It's got
> a 48v power supply.  There is no syncpipe, nor would anything work in the
> lab.  The test PC has two Intel gigabit NICs.
>
> My issue is that I can only get a 100 Mbit here.
>
> I have it set to generate sync right now and I can access it just fine.
> If I have it set for autosync + free run I get some problems accessing the
> device (ping works for a few seconds on, then off, web interface is not
> responsive at all, CNUT flat out doesn't work).  The ethernet link does not
> go down/up with sync at all.
>
> Any other clues or things to look at?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bug outages

[Nate Burke]

A NEMA will keep out rain, but not bugs.  I just had a sealed NEMA box 
filled with Ants (The little tiny ones).  Lucky I happened to be at the 
site just after they moved in before they caused any damage. There's 
also a big giant spider that lives in there, but he doesn't cause me any 
problems, so I just let him watch while I'm working on it.



On 10/28/2015 2:01 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
We see equipment failures from bugs occasionally. Generally in the 
spring and then some this time of year. Seems to be mostly ants. Not 
so much on our major tower sites, but on small repeaters we usually 
put a small plastic electrical enclosure and seal the cables with 
silicon. Ants seem to be able to chew right through it and start to 
nest inside the router (usually a RB750UP). Also lose a few CPE per 
year due to the same problem. We started putting some sort of ant 
poison granules in the boxes this year, seems to work but too early to 
know for sure.


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Eric Muehleisen > wrote:


We keep our equipment in enclosures so they are protected and not
tampered with.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jeremy > wrote:

Any of you guys have bugs causing outages?  Our boxes are all
pretty well sealed, but our commercial tower site that we
lease space on is packed full of Box Elder bugs, stink bugs,
wasps, ladybugs, and mice.  They all seem to be seeking warmth
for the coming winter.  We lost two major switches in two
days, I believe due to bugs climbing inside and shorting out
the switches.  I've screened the replacement. Here's hoping
that it works!!!

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium RMA Form still broke?

[Ray Savich]

Hi Nate,
No need to yell.  We are here. Please contact me at 
soluti...@cambiumnetworks.com any time.

Ray

Join the Conversation
Cambium Networks Community Forum

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium RMA Form still broke?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

Ray,

 

Just my two cents.

It seemed like two months from the RMA contact date until we got our
replacement 450 unit last time.  That is a long time.

I have another bad 450 AP radio that we are submitting this week.  IT sure
would be nice to have either advance replacement options or a faster turn
over time.

 

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



What can ICI do for you? 


Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. 
  
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the 
addressee shown. It contains information that is 
confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, 
dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by 
unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly 
prohibited. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ray Savich
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:16 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium RMA Form still broke?

 

Hi Nate,

No need to yell.  We are here. Please contact me at
soluti...@cambiumnetworks.com   any
time.

 

Ray

 

Join the Conversation

Cambium Networks Community Forum  

 

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com  
Version: 2016.0.7163 / Virus Database: 4457/10903 - Release Date: 10/28/15

[AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

[Josh Luthman]

I have a PacketFlux SyncInjector Gigabit that goes to the 450i.  It's got a
48v power supply.  There is no syncpipe, nor would anything work in the
lab.  The test PC has two Intel gigabit NICs.

My issue is that I can only get a 100 Mbit here.

I have it set to generate sync right now and I can access it just fine.  If
I have it set for autosync + free run I get some problems accessing the
device (ping works for a few seconds on, then off, web interface is not
responsive at all, CNUT flat out doesn't work).  The ethernet link does not
go down/up with sync at all.

Any other clues or things to look at?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] New Speedtest.net server for us

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, that’s nice to know, thanks!!


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 12:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Speedtest.net server for us

Got this from my desktop.

[http://www.speedtest.net/result/4784525000.png]

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

[Lewis Bergman]

Friday a friend who had our service before we sold described his experience
having Verizon fiber installed. He said it took a ton of people and about
10 weeks. According to him:
1 to trench the duct from the hand hold to the end of the ROW
2 to trench the duct from the ROW to the entry point
1 to run duct from the entry point to end point
2 to run the fiber in said ducts
1 to terminate the fiber
1 to plug it in
1 to turn it on and configure it.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:01 AM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:

> A friend of mine worked for a very large telco as an non-represented IT
> guy working on local LANs.
>
> One of his co-workers was friendly with an IBEW telco guy and let him
> watch the install of a Cisco 2500 series router with a T1.
>
> IBEW declared that work to be Union work. They demanded, and got, the
> previous 7 years of hourly pay that !2! Union employees would have gotten
> for ALL the router installs nationwide. Not a single Union member got any
> part of those monies. :(
>
> They tried to make it so Union members would need to plug and unplug hard
> drives inside machines after a nonunion person unscrewed and opened them.
>
> Silly Union things. I am the son of a Union mason/carpenter. I love
> wearing my grandfathers 50 year IBEW pin when I go to the power company to
> talk about poles. ;) eyes bug out.
>
> ryan
>
> --
> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
> broadband | telco | colo | communities
> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
> 425-939-0047
>
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 14:44, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> My first job out of college was at the manufacturing arm of GTE.  It was a
> union shop, even the secretaries were union.  I was an engineer and non
> union, but we got whatever COL increase the union got.
>
> Every couple years the contract would come up for renewal, and the whole
> factory would work overtime to stockpile enough product for a 2 week
> strike.  Then there would be a strike, which was like a vacation for the
> workers, who had all that overtime money banked.  Then the union would
> settle for pretty much the original offer, and everyone would go back to
> work.
>
> One year while I was there, there was no strike.  So there had to be a 2
> week layoff while they worked off all that inventory they had stockpiled.
> I guess it worked out the same in the end.
>
> As a new guy, I got my hand slapped a couple times.  Had to learn not to
> give typing to a secretary, that went to a clerk-typist.  And one time I
> took off a wallplate to check if the outlet was grounded, and nearly had a
> union grievance.
>
> *From:* James Howard 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done
>
>
> I thought that was the typical union attitude.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done
>
>
>
> jesus christ are you fucking nuts, could you imagine that attitude with
> union backing?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:00 PM, James Howard  wrote:
>
> Sounds like they need to unionize.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done
>
>
>
> my guys would have taken 2 days to assemble, one day to put up the
> section, a half a day to load the gear in the van, which would make it too
> late to hang the gear, theyd get out by noon the next day to hang it, get
> half done by 4, even though we quit at 5, another day to finish installing,
> and id have to send them back the next day because they forgot it needed
> cables
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Oh that makes more sense =P
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> To add a section.   Yes i did
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Oct 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> You used a gin pole for that?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Installed 2.4GHz omni with Rocket 2. A Nanobeam AC.  120 Degree sector
> with M5 and 45 Degree sector with Rocket ACi moved all sectors to the
> top...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> --
>
> *Total Control Panel*
>
> Login 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bug outages

[Chris Fabien]

We see equipment failures from bugs occasionally. Generally in the spring
and then some this time of year. Seems to be mostly ants. Not so much on
our major tower sites, but on small repeaters we usually put a small
plastic electrical enclosure and seal the cables with silicon. Ants seem to
be able to chew right through it and start to nest inside the router
(usually a RB750UP). Also lose a few CPE per year due to the same problem.
We started putting some sort of ant poison granules in the boxes this year,
seems to work but too early to know for sure.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> We keep our equipment in enclosures so they are protected and not tampered
> with.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> Any of you guys have bugs causing outages?  Our boxes are all pretty well
>> sealed, but our commercial tower site that we lease space on is packed full
>> of Box Elder bugs, stink bugs, wasps, ladybugs, and mice.  They all seem to
>> be seeking warmth for the coming winter.  We lost two major switches in two
>> days, I believe due to bugs climbing inside and shorting out the switches.
>> I've screened the replacement.  Here's hoping that it works!!!
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We have a manufacturer here, they had 2 plants, one here, one in mexico.
The union was always a problem, they went on strike, half the guys were in
the bar when they were supposed to be on strike duty laughing about it. It
came to a point the company told the union, either give a little or we will
close the doors, in true union fashion, the union dug in. The plant closed.
It was shortly bought up by another company ( I assume the trail of
ownership leads back to the same owners) which opened up, offered the union
guys their jobs back, with cuts of course, in a non union shop. The
majority of them refused. A lot of those guys ended up losing their homes
when the unemployment extensions ran out. That's the union mentality.
UAW recently got the new staff to vote on organizing, luckily, most of the
staff there now are younger guys who didn't grow up in the nonsense of a
union shop and overwhelmingly voted it down.

One other plant here when I was in my teens went on an 18 month strike,
there were roads everybody knew not to drive on because these winners kept
dropping nails (they did something with them to ensure they weren't
technically jackrocks) That plant never has recovered, its like something
around 18% union, the rest was all legally replaced with outsourced staff
since even the unions cant protect your job when you don't show up to it
for a year and a half. I heard that early next year theyre laying off
another 200

I reroofed that plant one year. looking from the top down at the campus, it
really used to be something, now the whole facility is in decay, two whole
subdivisions in this town were built solely to house these employees, now
both are one crack dealer away from being ghettos.. thanks unions

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Friday a friend who had our service before we sold described his
> experience having Verizon fiber installed. He said it took a ton of people
> and about 10 weeks. According to him:
> 1 to trench the duct from the hand hold to the end of the ROW
> 2 to trench the duct from the ROW to the entry point
> 1 to run duct from the entry point to end point
> 2 to run the fiber in said ducts
> 1 to terminate the fiber
> 1 to plug it in
> 1 to turn it on and configure it.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:01 AM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine worked for a very large telco as an non-represented IT
>> guy working on local LANs.
>>
>> One of his co-workers was friendly with an IBEW telco guy and let him
>> watch the install of a Cisco 2500 series router with a T1.
>>
>> IBEW declared that work to be Union work. They demanded, and got, the
>> previous 7 years of hourly pay that !2! Union employees would have gotten
>> for ALL the router installs nationwide. Not a single Union member got any
>> part of those monies. :(
>>
>> They tried to make it so Union members would need to plug and unplug hard
>> drives inside machines after a nonunion person unscrewed and opened them.
>>
>> Silly Union things. I am the son of a Union mason/carpenter. I love
>> wearing my grandfathers 50 year IBEW pin when I go to the power company to
>> talk about poles. ;) eyes bug out.
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> --
>> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>> broadband | telco | colo | communities
>> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>> 425-939-0047
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 14:44, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> My first job out of college was at the manufacturing arm of GTE.  It was
>> a union shop, even the secretaries were union.  I was an engineer and non
>> union, but we got whatever COL increase the union got.
>>
>> Every couple years the contract would come up for renewal, and the whole
>> factory would work overtime to stockpile enough product for a 2 week
>> strike.  Then there would be a strike, which was like a vacation for the
>> workers, who had all that overtime money banked.  Then the union would
>> settle for pretty much the original offer, and everyone would go back to
>> work.
>>
>> One year while I was there, there was no strike.  So there had to be a 2
>> week layoff while they worked off all that inventory they had stockpiled.
>> I guess it worked out the same in the end.
>>
>> As a new guy, I got my hand slapped a couple times.  Had to learn not to
>> give typing to a secretary, that went to a clerk-typist.  And one time I
>> took off a wallplate to check if the outlet was grounded, and nearly had a
>> union grievance.
>>
>> *From:* James Howard 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done
>>
>>
>> I thought that was the typical union attitude.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:02 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done
>>
>>
>>
>> jesus christ are you fucking nuts, could you imagine that attitude 

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Brian Webster]

It’s actually pretty complex to figure out. Many factors such as if you are 
near the end, or the side of the runway come in to play. Other issues such as 
submitting a good 1A survey letter to have a ground elevation for the tower so 
the FAA will not add a margin of error to your height make a big difference. I 
used to do a lot of this work for a tower company about 17 years ago. Had some 
real advanced software to calculate the instrument approaches to see the 
maximum heights we could build towers. Different types of approaches are 
approved for various airfields. Our towers near airports always rented well J. 
TOWAIR is a good first pass for the easy stuff. If you need to do some harder 
work I recommend that you work with the folks at www.airspaceusa.com. The 
founder is a retired FAA guy and knows the best way to get things done.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

 

Towair says I'm good, but what are the distance requirements before it is an 
issue?

I'd like some ballpark guidelines at least. Any tips? Something not in this 
horrible FCC tech/legaleze nonsense?

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Glen Waldrop   

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:56 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

 

There is one at 140ft closer to the airport than my planned one will be, only 
looking for a 50ft mini pop to hit a few houses behind a hill.

 

I'll check out the site.

Thanks guys.

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sean Heskett   

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:35 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

 

i like safely landing rather than getting snagged outa the air by a tower ;-) 

 

seriously though, the FCC and the FAA work together to make sure the national 
airspace is safe for everyone.  

 

there are ways to get a tower near an airport if they are in the right spot 
and/or not too tall as to create a problem.

 

-sean

 

 

 

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

It is quite a distance away where you are still required to pass the glide 
slope, and notify them of any frequency changes.  I know that every tower that 
I have looked into building within a couple miles has failed the test in 
towair.  Still looking for alternatives.  I just hate all the red tape.

 

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.

 

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop  wrote:

What is the legality of towers near airports?

How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

[Ken Hohhof]

If the non-compliance fee is $20/month, I think it would be cheaper to pay the 
fee.  Hell, I pay $50/month now for a check scanner.  My bank wants a minimum 
of $25/month to handle ACH payments (which I don’t pay).  $20/month is chump 
change, compared to the effort I see this customer putting into passing the 
yearly audit.  (No auditor comes out, they do a questionnaire and run some kind 
of scanning program.)

I just have to laugh that they passed last year with the Frontier modem/router 
credentials set to admin/admin.


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

I think it was Visa processors that are causing this stink, Visa is trying to 
have CYA

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

  traffic between their credit card terminal and the processor should be 
end-to-end encrypted. Audits of their network equipment would be required for 
PCI compliance if they were storing card info in plaintext anywhere on their 
LAN, which they are not.


  On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I have always heard of PCI compliance in terms of a business like a gas 
station where customers swipe cards at the pumps.

But I have a customer with a credit card reader terminal in their office 
that is making this big fuss because they annually do a PCI audit apparently to 
avoid a $20/month fee from their credit card processor.  Maybe I don't even 
realize we pay that, there is some $200/year PCI compliance fee we pay.

Anyway, this is not where some auditors show up, but rather a cloud based 
scan they run from one of their computers until they pass, then they print out 
the report and send it in.

And apparently the customer decided to have us replace Frontier and then do 
their annual scan the next day.  They claim they passed every year previous, 
hard to believe the Frontier modem they were using as their router having 
username/password set to admin/admin was not an issue.  Their first complaint 
to us was their WiFi password was not complex enough.  Well, we just set it to 
what you were already using.  Then they had some complaint about DNS.

Now they are saying they have to report that we manage the router remotely, 
and that may be a problem.  Is it?  We close off everything but Winbox.  It 
seems a lot more secure to me than having a web interface with admin/admin. I 
told the customer they are welcome to supply and manage their own router, but 
if they get a leased, managed router from us, well ... we manage it. Remotely.

Has anyone dealt with this issue already? 







-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Glen Waldrop]

Just to get the info out there, you guys might say its a nothing question 
anyway, 4+ miles from a tiny rural airport, 50ft tower at 77ft higher 
elevation, probably won't even break the tree tops.



  - Original Message - 
  From: Brian Webster 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 8:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports


  It’s actually pretty complex to figure out. Many factors such as if you are 
near the end, or the side of the runway come in to play. Other issues such as 
submitting a good 1A survey letter to have a ground elevation for the tower so 
the FAA will not add a margin of error to your height make a big difference. I 
used to do a lot of this work for a tower company about 17 years ago. Had some 
real advanced software to calculate the instrument approaches to see the 
maximum heights we could build towers. Different types of approaches are 
approved for various airfields. Our towers near airports always rented well J. 
TOWAIR is a good first pass for the easy stuff. If you need to do some harder 
work I recommend that you work with the folks at www.airspaceusa.com. The 
founder is a retired FAA guy and knows the best way to get things done.

   

  Thank You,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

  www.Broadband-Mapping.com

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
  Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:00 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

   

  Towair says I'm good, but what are the distance requirements before it is an 
issue?

  I'd like some ballpark guidelines at least. Any tips? Something not in this 
horrible FCC tech/legaleze nonsense?

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Glen Waldrop 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:56 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

 

There is one at 140ft closer to the airport than my planned one will be, 
only looking for a 50ft mini pop to hit a few houses behind a hill.

 

I'll check out the site.

Thanks guys.

 

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Sean Heskett 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:35 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

   

  i like safely landing rather than getting snagged outa the air by a tower 
;-) 

   

  seriously though, the FCC and the FAA work together to make sure the 
national airspace is safe for everyone.  

   

  there are ways to get a tower near an airport if they are in the right 
spot and/or not too tall as to create a problem.

   

  -sean

   

   

   

  On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

  It is quite a distance away where you are still required to pass the 
glide slope, and notify them of any frequency changes.  I know that every tower 
that I have looked into building within a couple miles has failed the test in 
towair.  Still looking for alternatives.  I just hate all the red tape.

   

  On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

  Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.

   

  On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop  
wrote:

  What is the legality of towers near airports?

  How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?

   

   

   

   

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Jaime Solorza]

You can't assume.  They look at primary secondary and emergency flight
pathsits not linearwe had to reduce a tower 10 ft. in Laredo even
though it was only 150 ft tall and three miles from airport!!!

Jaime Solorza
On Oct 28, 2015 8:36 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

> Just to get the info out there, you guys might say its a nothing question
> anyway, 4+ miles from a tiny rural airport, 50ft tower at 77ft higher
> elevation, probably won't even break the tree tops.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Brian Webster 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 8:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports
>
> It’s actually pretty complex to figure out. Many factors such as if you
> are near the end, or the side of the runway come in to play. Other issues
> such as submitting a good 1A survey letter to have a ground elevation for
> the tower so the FAA will not add a margin of error to your height make a
> big difference. I used to do a lot of this work for a tower company about
> 17 years ago. Had some real advanced software to calculate the instrument
> approaches to see the maximum heights we could build towers. Different
> types of approaches are approved for various airfields. Our towers near
> airports always rented well J. TOWAIR is a good first pass for the easy
> stuff. If you need to do some harder work I recommend that you work with
> the folks at www.airspaceusa.com. The founder is a retired FAA guy and
> knows the best way to get things done.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports
>
>
>
> Towair says I'm good, but what are the distance requirements before it is
> an issue?
>
> I'd like some ballpark guidelines at least. Any tips? Something not in
> this horrible FCC tech/legaleze nonsense?
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Glen Waldrop 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:56 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports
>
>
>
> There is one at 140ft closer to the airport than my planned one will be,
> only looking for a 50ft mini pop to hit a few houses behind a hill.
>
>
>
> I'll check out the site.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports
>
>
>
> i like safely landing rather than getting snagged outa the air by a tower
> ;-)
>
>
>
> seriously though, the FCC and the FAA work together to make sure the
> national airspace is safe for everyone.
>
>
>
> there are ways to get a tower near an airport if they are in the right
> spot and/or not too tall as to create a problem.
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> It is quite a distance away where you are still required to pass the glide
> slope, and notify them of any frequency changes.  I know that every tower
> that I have looked into building within a couple miles has failed the test
> in towair.  Still looking for alternatives.  I just hate all the red tape.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:
>
> What is the legality of towers near airports?
>
> How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

[Mike Hammett]

To me REALLY long uptimes mean device without security patches and are possibly 
outdated and should be replaced. :-p 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:06:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime 


what? sounds as the llke you are guys are going to pull out your dongs to see 
who has the longest one..EPWU has SCADA radios working since 1993 in one 
subdivision. Same old licensed 9600 bps serial modems in the 928.xxx/952.xxx 
Mhz bands..now that impresses me... 




Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect 
915-861-1390 

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Inline image 1







Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



I guess if it's not broke, don't try to fix it... 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

[Chuck McCown]

Party Pooper!

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

To me REALLY long uptimes mean device without security patches and are possibly 
outdated and should be replaced.  :-p




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:06:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime


what?   sounds as the llke you are guys are going to pull out your dongs to see 
who has the longest one..EPWU has SCADA radios working since 1993 in one 
subdivision.   Same old licensed 9600 bps serial modems in the 928.xxx/952.xxx 
Mhz bands..now that impresses me...

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:






  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

I guess if it's not broke, don't try to fix it...

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

[Josh Luthman]

I wonder if this unit is capable of doing gigabit with 450i?  It does
gigabit on the ePMP.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Matt  wrote:

> > I have a PacketFlux SyncInjector Gigabit that goes to the 450i.  It's
> got a
> > 48v power supply.  There is no syncpipe, nor would anything work in the
> lab.
> > The test PC has two Intel gigabit NICs.
> >
> > My issue is that I can only get a 100 Mbit here.
> >
> > I have it set to generate sync right now and I can access it just fine.
> If
> > I have it set for autosync + free run I get some problems accessing the
> > device (ping works for a few seconds on, then off, web interface is not
> > responsive at all, CNUT flat out doesn't work).  The ethernet link does
> not
> > go down/up with sync at all.
> >
> > Any other clues or things to look at?
>
> FYI, I am seeing same thing.  It passes through a GigE-APC-HV on way
> to 450i AP.  AP is getting sync from daisy chained syncpipe source
> hooked too Gigabit SyncInjector powered by 48 volt.  AP is working
> fine just at 100mbps ethernet.
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

[Eric Kuhnke]

(not my screenshot).


​

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> But there was another security hole up to 5.6.1...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Well, at least airOS 5.5 is post-Skynet.
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:08 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime
>>
>> To me REALLY long uptimes mean device without security patches and are
>> possibly outdated and should be replaced.  :-p
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:06:54 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime
>>
>> what?   sounds as the llke you are guys are going to pull out your dongs
>> to see who has the longest one..EPWU has SCADA radios working since
>> 1993 in one subdivision.   Same old licensed 9600 bps serial modems in the
>> 928.xxx/952.xxx Mhz bands..now that impresses me...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 I guess if it's not broke, don't try to fix it...





>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

[Josh Luthman]

I don't have a Cambium power supply =(

Ports 1 and 4 on the injector are both 100 meg.  Is it worth trying 2/3?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Does it get gigabit with the cambium power supply?
>
> Have you tried a different port on the injector?  (To rule out a bad port
> somehow missed in testing here)
> On Oct 28, 2015 2:01 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a PacketFlux SyncInjector Gigabit that goes to the 450i.  It's got
>> a 48v power supply.  There is no syncpipe, nor would anything work in the
>> lab.  The test PC has two Intel gigabit NICs.
>>
>> My issue is that I can only get a 100 Mbit here.
>>
>> I have it set to generate sync right now and I can access it just fine.
>> If I have it set for autosync + free run I get some problems accessing the
>> device (ping works for a few seconds on, then off, web interface is not
>> responsive at all, CNUT flat out doesn't work).  The ethernet link does not
>> go down/up with sync at all.
>>
>> Any other clues or things to look at?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

[Josh Luthman]

>From past emails it was as simple as "positive and negative on any pair".
I'm just using normal cables.  I'm not sure why the CMM4 would need any pin
changes, but I'm curious as to what the logic behind it was.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:40 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Did you do any wire swapping? Does the 450i need to be swapped when going
> into the SyncInjector?
>
> Matt posted on the community site that you swap pins 5 and 7 at one end of
> the run for connecting to a CMM4. The CMM4 isn't GigE, but I imagine that
> pin swap would break GigE. ??
>
> On 10/28/2015 3:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Probably not.
>
> Do you have any 802.3af or at injectors? They should work as well... at
> for sure, af should work too.
> On Oct 28, 2015 2:17 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't have a Cambium power supply =(
>>
>> Ports 1 and 4 on the injector are both 100 meg.  Is it worth trying 2/3?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does it get gigabit with the cambium power supply?
>>>
>>> Have you tried a different port on the injector?  (To rule out a bad
>>> port somehow missed in testing here)
>>> On Oct 28, 2015 2:01 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a PacketFlux SyncInjector Gigabit that goes to the 450i.  It's
 got a 48v power supply.  There is no syncpipe, nor would anything work in
 the lab.  The test PC has two Intel gigabit NICs.

 My issue is that I can only get a 100 Mbit here.

 I have it set to generate sync right now and I can access it just
 fine.  If I have it set for autosync + free run I get some problems
 accessing the device (ping works for a few seconds on, then off, web
 interface is not responsive at all, CNUT flat out doesn't work).  The
 ethernet link does not go down/up with sync at all.

 Any other clues or things to look at?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

[Jaime Solorza]

what?   sounds as the llke you are guys are going to pull out your dongs to
see who has the longest one..EPWU has SCADA radios working since 1993
in one subdivision.   Same old licensed 9600 bps serial modems in the
928.xxx/952.xxx Mhz bands..now that impresses me...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I guess if it's not broke, don't try to fix it...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

[Ty Featherling]

I imagine Josh checks this unit every morning over coffee and looks at it
just like in this GIF

.

-Ty





-Ty

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I guess if it's not broke, don't try to fix it...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

[Josh Luthman]

But there was another security hole up to 5.6.1...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Well, at least airOS 5.5 is post-Skynet.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime
>
> To me REALLY long uptimes mean device without security patches and are
> possibly outdated and should be replaced.  :-p
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:06:54 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime
>
> what?   sounds as the llke you are guys are going to pull out your dongs
> to see who has the longest one..EPWU has SCADA radios working since
> 1993 in one subdivision.   Same old licensed 9600 bps serial modems in the
> 928.xxx/952.xxx Mhz bands..now that impresses me...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess if it's not broke, don't try to fix it...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] 430APC-HV

[Matt]

What is difference between 430APC-HV and GigE-APC-HV?  I have a 56
volt licensed link with a gigabit ethernet port going through the
430APC-HV without issue.  I guess I should be using the GigE instead?

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

[George Skorup]

Did you do any wire swapping? Does the 450i need to be swapped when 
going into the SyncInjector?


Matt posted on the community site that you swap pins 5 and 7 at one end 
of the run for connecting to a CMM4. The CMM4 isn't GigE, but I imagine 
that pin swap would break GigE. ??


On 10/28/2015 3:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


Probably not.

Do you have any 802.3af or at injectors? They should work as well... 
at for sure, af should work too.


On Oct 28, 2015 2:17 PM, "Josh Luthman" > wrote:


I don't have a Cambium power supply =(

Ports 1 and 4 on the injector are both 100 meg.  Is it worth
trying 2/3?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:

Does it get gigabit with the cambium power supply?

Have you tried a different port on the injector?  (To rule out
a bad port somehow missed in testing here)

On Oct 28, 2015 2:01 PM, "Josh Luthman"
> wrote:

I have a PacketFlux SyncInjector Gigabit that goes to the
450i.  It's got a 48v power supply.  There is no syncpipe,
nor would anything work in the lab.  The test PC has two
Intel gigabit NICs.

My issue is that I can only get a 100 Mbit here.

I have it set to generate sync right now and I can access
it just fine.  If I have it set for autosync + free run I
get some problems accessing the device (ping works for a
few seconds on, then off, web interface is not responsive
at all, CNUT flat out doesn't work).  The ethernet link
does not go down/up with sync at all.

Any other clues or things to look at?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The 320 and 430 used a mixed pair arrangement. ..  that is,  both positive
and negative on the same pair... one on each wire.  The swapping is to
enable a cmm4 to power a 450i which only supports power arrangements which
have the same polarity on both wires in the pair.

The only other thing I would check on the syncinjector is to make sure it's
really a gigabit injector inside, since it is possible that the wrong board
got put in the case.   But that's just my paranoia talking-we've never had
one shipped with the wrong board to my knowledge.  If you want to check
this, the cover should come off with no tools,  only a fingernail.The
board should say gigabit in it.
On Oct 28, 2015 2:44 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> From past emails it was as simple as "positive and negative on any pair".
> I'm just using normal cables.  I'm not sure why the CMM4 would need any pin
> changes, but I'm curious as to what the logic behind it was.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:40 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Did you do any wire swapping? Does the 450i need to be swapped when going
>> into the SyncInjector?
>>
>> Matt posted on the community site that you swap pins 5 and 7 at one end
>> of the run for connecting to a CMM4. The CMM4 isn't GigE, but I imagine
>> that pin swap would break GigE. ??
>>
>> On 10/28/2015 3:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> Probably not.
>>
>> Do you have any 802.3af or at injectors? They should work as well... at
>> for sure, af should work too.
>> On Oct 28, 2015 2:17 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have a Cambium power supply =(
>>>
>>> Ports 1 and 4 on the injector are both 100 meg.  Is it worth trying 2/3?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Does it get gigabit with the cambium power supply?

 Have you tried a different port on the injector?  (To rule out a bad
 port somehow missed in testing here)
 On Oct 28, 2015 2:01 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

> I have a PacketFlux SyncInjector Gigabit that goes to the 450i.  It's
> got a 48v power supply.  There is no syncpipe, nor would anything work in
> the lab.  The test PC has two Intel gigabit NICs.
>
> My issue is that I can only get a 100 Mbit here.
>
> I have it set to generate sync right now and I can access it just
> fine.  If I have it set for autosync + free run I get some problems
> accessing the device (ping works for a few seconds on, then off, web
> interface is not responsive at all, CNUT flat out doesn't work).  The
> ethernet link does not go down/up with sync at all.
>
> Any other clues or things to look at?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

[Josh Luthman]

[image: Inline image 1]


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I guess if it's not broke, don't try to fix it...
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

[Jaime Solorza]

i hate autocorrect

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> what?   sounds as the llke you are guys are going to pull out your dongs
> to see who has the longest one..EPWU has SCADA radios working since
> 1993 in one subdivision.   Same old licensed 9600 bps serial modems in the
> 928.xxx/952.xxx Mhz bands..now that impresses me...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess if it's not broke, don't try to fix it...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, at least airOS 5.5 is post-Skynet.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

To me REALLY long uptimes mean device without security patches and are possibly 
outdated and should be replaced.  :-p




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:06:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime


what?   sounds as the llke you are guys are going to pull out your dongs to see 
who has the longest one..EPWU has SCADA radios working since 1993 in one 
subdivision.   Same old licensed 9600 bps serial modems in the 928.xxx/952.xxx 
Mhz bands..now that impresses me...

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:






  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

I guess if it's not broke, don't try to fix it...

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

[Chuck McCown]

I think there was a 450 AP that may have followed the same power pinout as 
the 430 SM too.  Not totally sure about that.


-Original Message- 
From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

What is difference between 430APC-HV and GigE-APC-HV?  I have a 56
volt licensed link with a gigabit ethernet port going through the
430APC-HV without issue.  I guess I should be using the GigE instead? 

Re: [AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

[Eric Kuhnke]

traffic between their credit card terminal and the processor should be
end-to-end encrypted. Audits of their network equipment would be required
for PCI compliance *if* they were storing card info in plaintext anywhere
on their LAN, which they are not.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have always heard of PCI compliance in terms of a business like a gas
> station where customers swipe cards at the pumps.
>
> But I have a customer with a credit card reader terminal in their office
> that is making this big fuss because they annually do a PCI audit
> apparently to avoid a $20/month fee from their credit card processor.
> Maybe I don't even realize we pay that, there is some $200/year PCI
> compliance fee we pay.
>
> Anyway, this is not where some auditors show up, but rather a cloud based
> scan they run from one of their computers until they pass, then they print
> out the report and send it in.
>
> And apparently the customer decided to have us replace Frontier and then
> do their annual scan the next day.  They claim they passed every year
> previous, hard to believe the Frontier modem they were using as their
> router having username/password set to admin/admin was not an issue.  Their
> first complaint to us was their WiFi password was not complex enough.
> Well, we just set it to what you were already using.  Then they had some
> complaint about DNS.
>
> Now they are saying they have to report that we manage the router
> remotely, and that may be a problem.  Is it?  We close off everything but
> Winbox.  It seems a lot more secure to me than having a web interface with
> admin/admin. I told the customer they are welcome to supply and manage
> their own router, but if they get a leased, managed router from us, well
> ... we manage it. Remotely.
>
> Has anyone dealt with this issue already?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Probably not.

Do you have any 802.3af or at injectors? They should work as well... at for
sure, af should work too.
On Oct 28, 2015 2:17 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> I don't have a Cambium power supply =(
>
> Ports 1 and 4 on the injector are both 100 meg.  Is it worth trying 2/3?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Does it get gigabit with the cambium power supply?
>>
>> Have you tried a different port on the injector?  (To rule out a bad port
>> somehow missed in testing here)
>> On Oct 28, 2015 2:01 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a PacketFlux SyncInjector Gigabit that goes to the 450i.  It's
>>> got a 48v power supply.  There is no syncpipe, nor would anything work in
>>> the lab.  The test PC has two Intel gigabit NICs.
>>>
>>> My issue is that I can only get a 100 Mbit here.
>>>
>>> I have it set to generate sync right now and I can access it just fine.
>>> If I have it set for autosync + free run I get some problems accessing the
>>> device (ping works for a few seconds on, then off, web interface is not
>>> responsive at all, CNUT flat out doesn't work).  The ethernet link does not
>>> go down/up with sync at all.
>>>
>>> Any other clues or things to look at?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

[Josh Luthman]

No 802.3at switches/POEs...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Probably not.
>
> Do you have any 802.3af or at injectors? They should work as well... at
> for sure, af should work too.
> On Oct 28, 2015 2:17 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't have a Cambium power supply =(
>>
>> Ports 1 and 4 on the injector are both 100 meg.  Is it worth trying 2/3?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does it get gigabit with the cambium power supply?
>>>
>>> Have you tried a different port on the injector?  (To rule out a bad
>>> port somehow missed in testing here)
>>> On Oct 28, 2015 2:01 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a PacketFlux SyncInjector Gigabit that goes to the 450i.  It's
 got a 48v power supply.  There is no syncpipe, nor would anything work in
 the lab.  The test PC has two Intel gigabit NICs.

 My issue is that I can only get a 100 Mbit here.

 I have it set to generate sync right now and I can access it just
 fine.  If I have it set for autosync + free run I get some problems
 accessing the device (ping works for a few seconds on, then off, web
 interface is not responsive at all, CNUT flat out doesn't work).  The
 ethernet link does not go down/up with sync at all.

 Any other clues or things to look at?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

[Josh Luthman]

Yup.  Except my Redline has the latest firmware available =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> To me REALLY long uptimes mean device without security patches and are
> possibly outdated and should be replaced.  :-p
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:06:54 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime
>
> what?   sounds as the llke you are guys are going to pull out your dongs
> to see who has the longest one..EPWU has SCADA radios working since
> 1993 in one subdivision.   Same old licensed 9600 bps serial modems in the
> 928.xxx/952.xxx Mhz bands..now that impresses me...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess if it's not broke, don't try to fix it...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

[Chuck McCown]

430 splits the power polarity on 4-5 as well as 7-8.
It was built for the 430 product line and has LEDs showing power is 
presence.


GigE puts power on whichever pair you want in whichever polarity you want 
but power pairs are electrically bonded (4/5) (1/2) (3/6) (7/8)


You cannot use a GigE to power a 430 radio.  It will power almost every 
other kind of radio.


-Original Message- 
From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

What is difference between 430APC-HV and GigE-APC-HV?  I have a 56
volt licensed link with a gigabit ethernet port going through the
430APC-HV without issue.  I guess I should be using the GigE instead? 

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

[Sean Heskett]

You want the GigE-APC-HV because it will work with everything.

-Sean


On Wednesday, October 28, 2015, Matt  wrote:

> Confusing.
>
> So, I want something that works with Cambium PMP100 FSK, PMP450,
> PMP450i, Cambium licensed, SAF licensed and ePMP.  Which one do I use?
>  Is there a model that has each pin separately clamped at 60 volt?
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
> > I think there was a 450 AP that may have followed the same power pinout
> as
> > the 430 SM too.  Not totally sure about that.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Matt
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:30 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com 
> > Subject: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV
> >
> > What is difference between 430APC-HV and GigE-APC-HV?  I have a 56
> > volt licensed link with a gigabit ethernet port going through the
> > 430APC-HV without issue.  I guess I should be using the GigE instead?
>

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

[Josh Luthman]

+1


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> You want the GigE-APC-HV because it will work with everything.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015, Matt  wrote:
>
>> Confusing.
>>
>> So, I want something that works with Cambium PMP100 FSK, PMP450,
>> PMP450i, Cambium licensed, SAF licensed and ePMP.  Which one do I use?
>>  Is there a model that has each pin separately clamped at 60 volt?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> > I think there was a 450 AP that may have followed the same power pinout
>> as
>> > the 430 SM too.  Not totally sure about that.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Matt
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:30 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV
>> >
>> > What is difference between 430APC-HV and GigE-APC-HV?  I have a 56
>> > volt licensed link with a gigabit ethernet port going through the
>> > 430APC-HV without issue.  I guess I should be using the GigE instead?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

[Matt]

Confusing.

So, I want something that works with Cambium PMP100 FSK, PMP450,
PMP450i, Cambium licensed, SAF licensed and ePMP.  Which one do I use?
 Is there a model that has each pin separately clamped at 60 volt?


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> I think there was a 450 AP that may have followed the same power pinout as
> the 430 SM too.  Not totally sure about that.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:30 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV
>
> What is difference between 430APC-HV and GigE-APC-HV?  I have a 56
> volt licensed link with a gigabit ethernet port going through the
> 430APC-HV without issue.  I guess I should be using the GigE instead?

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

[Daniel White]

But that isn’t SAF approved (ducks)



I can make those jokes now right :-D



Thank you,



Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:  
 Twitter



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV



You want the GigE-APC-HV because it will work with everything.



-Sean



On Wednesday, October 28, 2015, Matt  > wrote:

Confusing.

So, I want something that works with Cambium PMP100 FSK, PMP450,
PMP450i, Cambium licensed, SAF licensed and ePMP.  Which one do I use?
 Is there a model that has each pin separately clamped at 60 volt?


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Chuck McCown  > 
wrote:
> I think there was a 450 AP that may have followed the same power pinout as
> the 430 SM too.  Not totally sure about that.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:30 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV
>
> What is difference between 430APC-HV and GigE-APC-HV?  I have a 56
> volt licensed link with a gigabit ethernet port going through the
> 430APC-HV without issue.  I guess I should be using the GigE instead?



---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I miss that!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Oct 28, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
> 
> But that isn’t SAF approved (ducks)
>  
> I can make those jokes now right :-D
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Daniel White
> afmu...@gmail.com
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn: Twitter
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:43 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV
>  
> You want the GigE-APC-HV because it will work with everything.
>  
> -Sean
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015, Matt  wrote:
> Confusing.
> 
> So, I want something that works with Cambium PMP100 FSK, PMP450,
> PMP450i, Cambium licensed, SAF licensed and ePMP.  Which one do I use?
>  Is there a model that has each pin separately clamped at 60 volt?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> > I think there was a 450 AP that may have followed the same power pinout as
> > the 430 SM too.  Not totally sure about that.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Matt
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:30 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV
> >
> > What is difference between 430APC-HV and GigE-APC-HV?  I have a 56
> > volt licensed link with a gigabit ethernet port going through the
> > 430APC-HV without issue.  I guess I should be using the GigE instead?
> 
> 
>   
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
> www.avast.com
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

[Matt]

> You want the GigE-APC-HV because it will work with everything.

 but power pairs are electrically bonded (4/5) (1/2) (3/6) (7/8)

Will that make it not work with something?

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i lack of gigabit

[George Skorup]

Stupid question Does the 450i have this like 13.x on the regular 
450? Default is auto 100f/100h/10f/10h.




On 10/28/2015 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I wonder if this unit is capable of doing gigabit with 450i?  It does 
gigabit on the ePMP.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Matt > wrote:


> I have a PacketFlux SyncInjector Gigabit that goes to the 450i.  It's got 
a
> 48v power supply.  There is no syncpipe, nor would anything work
in the lab.
> The test PC has two Intel gigabit NICs.
>
> My issue is that I can only get a 100 Mbit here.
>
> I have it set to generate sync right now and I can access it
just fine.  If
> I have it set for autosync + free run I get some problems
accessing the
> device (ping works for a few seconds on, then off, web interface
is not
> responsive at all, CNUT flat out doesn't work).  The ethernet
link does not
> go down/up with sync at all.
>
> Any other clues or things to look at?

FYI, I am seeing same thing.  It passes through a GigE-APC-HV on way
to 450i AP.  AP is getting sync from daisy chained syncpipe source
hooked too Gigabit SyncInjector powered by 48 volt.  AP is working
fine just at 100mbps ethernet.

[AFMUG] we're on the map!!!!

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Well, pretty much anyone who owns land around this location has my service...
good to be in rural alabama, eh?

http://www.wvtm13.com/news/millions-of-dollars-worth-of-marijuana-seized-in-cullman-county/36012980

Re: [AFMUG] PCI Compliance- who has it?

[Ken Hohhof]

I think only a masochist would pay to do that, unless someone made you.


-Original Message- 
From: Scott Vander Dussen

Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PCI Compliance- who has it?

Just saw Ken's post about PCI compliance and didn't want to hijack that 
thread.  PCI compliance when it first came out was mandated by the credit 
card processor, about $20/mo and included some quarterly scans for 
vulnerabilities or exploits.  We've switched processors a few times and 
realized that no one has asked us about PCI compliance for years.  Looked 
into purchasing PCI auditing from McAfee and it's $1k a year, and involves 
an extremely intensive questionnaire of the company plus serious internal 
documentation of policy etc.  Basically, PCI compliance got a lot more legit 
and expensive.  Just wondering what everyone else is doing?  Grandfathered 
the old low-tech quarterly scan, nothing at all, or are you on board with 
this newer intense PCI compliance?


Thanks,
`S

Re: [AFMUG] we're on the map!!!!

[Ken Hohhof]

Long story arcs through multiple seasons, you have to start with Season 1 
Episode 1 and watch them in order!

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] we're on the map


Good questionI'll have to watch justified and let you know

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] we're on the map
Date: Wed, Oct 28, 2015 6:38 PM

Is life in Cullman County like an episode of Justified?

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 
Subject: [AFMUG] we're on the map



Well, pretty much anyone who owns land around this location has my service...
good to be in rural alabama, eh?

http://www.wvtm13.com/news/millions-of-dollars-worth-of-marijuana-seized-in-cullman-county/36012980

[AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Glen Waldrop]

What is the legality of towers near airports?

How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?

Re: [AFMUG] we're on the map!!!!

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep

Jaime Solorza
On Oct 28, 2015 6:02 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Long story arcs through multiple seasons, you have to start with Season 1
> Episode 1 and watch them in order!
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] we're on the map
>
>
> Good questionI'll have to watch justified and let you know
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] we're on the map
> Date: Wed, Oct 28, 2015 6:38 PM
>
> Is life in Cullman County like an episode of Justified?
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] we're on the map
>
>
>
> Well, pretty much anyone who owns land around this location has my
> service...
> good to be in rural alabama, eh?
>
>
> http://www.wvtm13.com/news/millions-of-dollars-worth-of-marijuana-seized-in-cullman-county/36012980
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] we're on the map!!!!

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Of courseI wouldn't have it any other way :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] we're on the map
Date: Wed, Oct 28, 2015 7:02 PM

Long story arcs through multiple seasons, you have to start with Season 1 
Episode 1 and watch them in order!




From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] we're on the map




Good questionI'll have to watch justified and let you know

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: Subject: [AFMUG] we're on 
the mapDate: Wed, Oct 28, 2015 6:38 PM



Is life in Cullman County like an episode of Justified?




From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 
Subject: [AFMUG] we're on the map




Well, pretty much anyone who owns land around this 
location has my service...
good to be in rural alabama, eh?

http://www.wvtm13.com/news/millions-of-dollars-worth-of-marijuana-seized-in-cullman-county/36012980

Re: [AFMUG] we're on the map!!!!

[Ken Hohhof]

Is life in Cullman County like an episode of Justified?

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 
Subject: [AFMUG] we're on the map



Well, pretty much anyone who owns land around this location has my service...
good to be in rural alabama, eh?

http://www.wvtm13.com/news/millions-of-dollars-worth-of-marijuana-seized-in-cullman-county/36012980

Re: [AFMUG] we're on the map!!!!

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha.   Good show

Jaime Solorza
On Oct 28, 2015 5:38 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Is life in Cullman County like an episode of Justified?
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] we're on the map
>
>
>
> Well, pretty much anyone who owns land around this location has my
> service...
> good to be in rural alabama, eh?
>
>
> http://www.wvtm13.com/news/millions-of-dollars-worth-of-marijuana-seized-in-cullman-county/36012980
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] we're on the map!!!!

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Good questionI'll have to watch justified and let you know

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] we're on the map
Date: Wed, Oct 28, 2015 6:38 PM

Is life in Cullman County like an episode of Justified?




From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 
Subject: [AFMUG] we're on the map




Well, pretty much anyone who owns land around this 
location has my service...
good to be in rural alabama, eh?

http://www.wvtm13.com/news/millions-of-dollars-worth-of-marijuana-seized-in-cullman-county/36012980

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Jeremy]

Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop 
wrote:

> What is the legality of towers near airports?
>
> How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Jeremy]

It is quite a distance away where you are still required to pass the glide
slope, and notify them of any frequency changes.  I know that every tower
that I have looked into building within a couple miles has failed the test
in towair.  Still looking for alternatives.  I just hate all the red tape.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:
>
>> What is the legality of towers near airports?
>>
>> How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Sean Heskett]

i like safely landing rather than getting snagged outa the air by a tower
;-)

seriously though, the FCC and the FAA work together to make sure the
national airspace is safe for everyone.

there are ways to get a tower near an airport if they are in the right spot
and/or not too tall as to create a problem.

-sean



On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> It is quite a distance away where you are still required to pass the glide
> slope, and notify them of any frequency changes.  I know that every tower
> that I have looked into building within a couple miles has failed the test
> in towair.  Still looking for alternatives.  I just hate all the red tape.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What is the legality of towers near airports?
>>>
>>> How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PCI Compliance- who has it?

[Tyler Treat]

My day job is in healthcare and because we take cc, we're subject to all this.  
Across half a dozen or so merchant IDs.  It's a huge pain, but from a risk 
management perspective, it's not much more over the stuff we're doing to meet 
HIPAA.  

All the new compliance generations (HIPAA, GLBA, SOX, PCI) seem to be circling 
the drain on the same concepts of best practices.  NIST/COBIT etc.  

Like I said, it's all a huge pain, but if you're subject to one, it's usually 
not a huge stretch when one of the others come into play.  That is, if you have 
a semi mature risk/compliance program in play. 

For small shops, it seems like do your best, or ignore it.  Main takeaway is: 
least compliant entity pays for fraud charges since after the beginning of this 
month.  

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


> On Oct 28, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I think only a masochist would pay to do that, unless someone made you.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Scott Vander Dussen
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:35 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] PCI Compliance- who has it?
> 
> Just saw Ken's post about PCI compliance and didn't want to hijack that 
> thread.  PCI compliance when it first came out was mandated by the credit 
> card processor, about $20/mo and included some quarterly scans for 
> vulnerabilities or exploits.  We've switched processors a few times and 
> realized that no one has asked us about PCI compliance for years.  Looked 
> into purchasing PCI auditing from McAfee and it's $1k a year, and involves 
> an extremely intensive questionnaire of the company plus serious internal 
> documentation of policy etc.  Basically, PCI compliance got a lot more legit 
> and expensive.  Just wondering what everyone else is doing?  Grandfathered 
> the old low-tech quarterly scan, nothing at all, or are you on board with 
> this newer intense PCI compliance?
> 
> Thanks,
> `S
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Glen Waldrop]

There is one at 140ft closer to the airport than my planned one will be, only 
looking for a 50ft mini pop to hit a few houses behind a hill.

I'll check out the site.

Thanks guys.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Sean Heskett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports


  i like safely landing rather than getting snagged outa the air by a tower ;-)


  seriously though, the FCC and the FAA work together to make sure the national 
airspace is safe for everyone.  


  there are ways to get a tower near an airport if they are in the right spot 
and/or not too tall as to create a problem.


  -sean






  On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

It is quite a distance away where you are still required to pass the glide 
slope, and notify them of any frequency changes.  I know that every tower that 
I have looked into building within a couple miles has failed the test in 
towair.  Still looking for alternatives.  I just hate all the red tape.


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

  Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.


  On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop  
wrote:

What is the legality of towers near airports?

How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?

Re: [AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I think it was Visa processors that are causing this stink, Visa is trying
to have CYA

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> traffic between their credit card terminal and the processor should be
> end-to-end encrypted. Audits of their network equipment would be required
> for PCI compliance *if* they were storing card info in plaintext anywhere
> on their LAN, which they are not.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I have always heard of PCI compliance in terms of a business like a gas
>> station where customers swipe cards at the pumps.
>>
>> But I have a customer with a credit card reader terminal in their office
>> that is making this big fuss because they annually do a PCI audit
>> apparently to avoid a $20/month fee from their credit card processor.
>> Maybe I don't even realize we pay that, there is some $200/year PCI
>> compliance fee we pay.
>>
>> Anyway, this is not where some auditors show up, but rather a cloud based
>> scan they run from one of their computers until they pass, then they print
>> out the report and send it in.
>>
>> And apparently the customer decided to have us replace Frontier and then
>> do their annual scan the next day.  They claim they passed every year
>> previous, hard to believe the Frontier modem they were using as their
>> router having username/password set to admin/admin was not an issue.  Their
>> first complaint to us was their WiFi password was not complex enough.
>> Well, we just set it to what you were already using.  Then they had some
>> complaint about DNS.
>>
>> Now they are saying they have to report that we manage the router
>> remotely, and that may be a problem.  Is it?  We close off everything but
>> Winbox.  It seems a lot more secure to me than having a web interface with
>> admin/admin. I told the customer they are welcome to supply and manage
>> their own router, but if they get a leased, managed router from us, well
>> ... we manage it. Remotely.
>>
>> Has anyone dealt with this issue already?
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Glen Waldrop]

Towair says I'm good, but what are the distance requirements before it is an 
issue?

I'd like some ballpark guidelines at least. Any tips? Something not in this 
horrible FCC tech/legaleze nonsense?


  - Original Message - 
  From: Glen Waldrop 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports


  There is one at 140ft closer to the airport than my planned one will be, only 
looking for a 50ft mini pop to hit a few houses behind a hill.

  I'll check out the site.

  Thanks guys.


- Original Message - 
From: Sean Heskett 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports


i like safely landing rather than getting snagged outa the air by a tower 
;-) 


seriously though, the FCC and the FAA work together to make sure the 
national airspace is safe for everyone.  


there are ways to get a tower near an airport if they are in the right spot 
and/or not too tall as to create a problem.


-sean






On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

  It is quite a distance away where you are still required to pass the 
glide slope, and notify them of any frequency changes.  I know that every tower 
that I have looked into building within a couple miles has failed the test in 
towair.  Still looking for alternatives.  I just hate all the red tape.


  On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop  
wrote:

  What is the legality of towers near airports?

  How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Lewis Bergman]

In general, it is 1 foot elevation for every 100 foot within a 30 degree
arc off the end of the runway. The FAA also has a tool that you can enter
the coordinates and it will give you a pads fail.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015, 7:35 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> i like safely landing rather than getting snagged outa the air by a tower
> ;-)
>
> seriously though, the FCC and the FAA work together to make sure the
> national airspace is safe for everyone.
>
> there are ways to get a tower near an airport if they are in the right
> spot and/or not too tall as to create a problem.
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> It is quite a distance away where you are still required to pass the
>> glide slope, and notify them of any frequency changes.  I know that every
>> tower that I have looked into building within a couple miles has failed the
>> test in towair.  Still looking for alternatives.  I just hate all the red
>> tape.
>>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
> Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.
>>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> What is the legality of towers near airports?

 How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?


>>>

Re: [AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

[Tyler Treat]

With the new rules, whether you store the data or not is not a deciding factor 
of whether or not it applies to you.
Even if you simply only transmit to a 3rd party processor, you're still in 
scope.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Oct 28, 2015, at 7:59 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:

I think it was Visa processors that are causing this stink, Visa is trying to 
have CYA

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
traffic between their credit card terminal and the processor should be 
end-to-end encrypted. Audits of their network equipment would be required for 
PCI compliance if they were storing card info in plaintext anywhere on their 
LAN, which they are not.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
I have always heard of PCI compliance in terms of a business like a gas station 
where customers swipe cards at the pumps.

But I have a customer with a credit card reader terminal in their office that 
is making this big fuss because they annually do a PCI audit apparently to 
avoid a $20/month fee from their credit card processor.  Maybe I don't even 
realize we pay that, there is some $200/year PCI compliance fee we pay.

Anyway, this is not where some auditors show up, but rather a cloud based scan 
they run from one of their computers until they pass, then they print out the 
report and send it in.

And apparently the customer decided to have us replace Frontier and then do 
their annual scan the next day.  They claim they passed every year previous, 
hard to believe the Frontier modem they were using as their router having 
username/password set to admin/admin was not an issue.  Their first complaint 
to us was their WiFi password was not complex enough.  Well, we just set it to 
what you were already using.  Then they had some complaint about DNS.

Now they are saying they have to report that we manage the router remotely, and 
that may be a problem.  Is it?  We close off everything but Winbox.  It seems a 
lot more secure to me than having a web interface with admin/admin. I told the 
customer they are welcome to supply and manage their own router, but if they 
get a leased, managed router from us, well ... we manage it. Remotely.

Has anyone dealt with this issue already?





--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.