Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Excavation costs

[Chuck McCown]

In theory.  The problem with trenching is that unless things go perfect, you 
get spots in the trench that have to be cleaned out by hand.  

And it is no good in muddy earth.  It is no good in hard and rocky earth.  It 
is no good for deep trenches.  So as much as I would like to trench it is a 
last resort for me.  I prefer to plow first if that is an option.  HDD second.  
Excavate.  

Trenching does not even show up on my list of options.  

And in my case I have to do an excavation greater than 12” wide due to power 
being in the same ditch.  



From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Excavation costs

What if you have a trencher & backhoe combination?  Isn't the chain driven 
trencher faster than the excavator?  Just switch to back hoe when you hit a big 
rock. 

That's my theory anyway.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/21/2018 8:53:00 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: Excavation costs

  Lets say  you have an equipment operator that earns $20/hour.  I always 
double that for loaded cost.
  That operator can dig probably 50 foot/hour reliably.  So say 320 feet/day 
with start up and shut down inefficiencies.  8 x 40 = $320.  So $1/foot just 
for the labor.  More if we pay for a health insurance plan.  

  Then equipment allowance.  $100K used excavator.  10% time value of money = 
$10K/year
  Depreciation expense, say $20K/year.  
  So $30K/year.  If you kept it busy half the time, say 1000 hours, that is 
$30/hour.  
  $240 per day.

  We are up to $560/day for 300 feet of ditch.  Round it up to $600 and you 
have a minimum of $2/foot.
  And knowing my estimates are generally off by half or 3x, perhaps $5/foot is 
a good planning figure for the true cost of digging a ditch.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:33 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Excavation costs

  Anyone figured out what it costs them per foot for excavation using their own 
machine?
  I am working to figure out the real cost.  
  What does it cost to have a contractor do it?

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Excavation costs

[Adam Moffett]

What if you have a trencher & backhoe combination?  Isn't the chain 
driven trencher faster than the excavator?  Just switch to back hoe when 
you hit a big rock.


That's my theory anyway.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/21/2018 8:53:00 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: Excavation costs

Lets say  you have an equipment operator that earns $20/hour.  I always 
double that for loaded cost.
That operator can dig probably 50 foot/hour reliably.  So say 320 
feet/day with start up and shut down inefficiencies.  8 x 40 = $320.  
So $1/foot just for the labor.  More if we pay for a health insurance 
plan.


Then equipment allowance.  $100K used excavator.  10% time value of 
money = $10K/year

Depreciation expense, say $20K/year.
So $30K/year.  If you kept it busy half the time, say 1000 hours, that 
is $30/hour.

$240 per day.

We are up to $560/day for 300 feet of ditch.  Round it up to $600 and 
you have a minimum of $2/foot.
And knowing my estimates are generally off by half or 3x, perhaps 
$5/foot is a good planning figure for the true cost of digging a ditch.


From:Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:33 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Excavation costs

Anyone figured out what it costs them per foot for excavation using 
their own machine?

I am working to figure out the real cost.
What does it cost to have a contractor do it?

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Mike Hammett]

That's why I said most clients. Most clients are the various default app on 
phones and then probably Outlook or Windows Mail. Those should all work with 
auto discover. 

It's not fool proof (they will always make better fools), but it takes away a 
lot of those issues. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:44:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 


Lmao, because autodiscover always works, and everybody wants imaps. 


This includes scanner copiers.. wait, nope. Grandmas old xp machine running her 
mail program noones ever heard of, nope. 


Oh wait, its the end users respinsibility to have devices that comply with the 
autodiscover configuration, and thats geek squads responsibility. 




Oh, and about geek squad, nobody has a workaround for them, ever 


On Feb 21, 2018 6:13 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




If you've set your service up correctly, there's nothing to walk them though. 
It autodiscovers the settings they need and just prompts them for e-mail 
address and password. 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Jeremy" < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:57:52 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 



These customers want us to come out and setup their Outlook when they have a 
new computer, walk them through setting up their phones, tell them where the 
emails went when they pressed deleteetc., etc. 



On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > 
wrote: 






WE only host for ISPs anymore, and those questions are sent to the ISP< if they 
wish to open a ticket with us we charge them for it. Simple as that, 99% of the 
time once they open 1-2 tickets they know better and tell the customer. Lol. J 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:52 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 


"Im having problems with emails getting to people quickly. I send an email to 
myself and its there immediately, but I send it to my gmail, it takes 1-3 
minutes. There is something wrong here that needs fixed, These delays are just 
too much" 

"I sent some customers emails that they didnt get" "how many customers?" "350, 
also Alot of people arent getting emails from me now, and I keep seeing these 
emails about delivery fail" 



On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 




On 2/21/18 9:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote: 


"I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for tonight, 
but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email that I sent her?" 

"3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I can't 
find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?" 

"I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back. Get it back now!" 

None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support time, even 
to tell them "No, go away" 




Do you actually tell people no though? I do, and it does signal that we expect 
our email users to be self-service and only contact us for issues with the 
tools we give them for self service. 

I also never mention we have an email service to any of our customers and 
discourage the ones that do see it thinking we'll be their email support, 
because we won't and I'm upfront about that. 

~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Excavation costs

[Jaime Solorza]

Yikes.  Where's my Tecate?  Need to wash Steve's post from my brain..

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 21, 2018 7:03 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> whats your operator and equipment doing when hes not costing you? are you
> pimping him to the other boys on the street?
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Lets say  you have an equipment operator that earns $20/hour.  I always
>> double that for loaded cost.
>> That operator can dig probably 50 foot/hour reliably.  So say 320
>> feet/day with start up and shut down inefficiencies.  8 x 40 = $320.  So
>> $1/foot just for the labor.  More if we pay for a health insurance plan.
>>
>> Then equipment allowance.  $100K used excavator.  10% time value of money
>> = $10K/year
>> Depreciation expense, say $20K/year.
>> So $30K/year.  If you kept it busy half the time, say 1000 hours, that is
>> $30/hour.
>> $240 per day.
>>
>> We are up to $560/day for 300 feet of ditch.  Round it up to $600 and you
>> have a minimum of $2/foot.
>> And knowing my estimates are generally off by half or 3x, perhaps $5/foot
>> is a good planning figure for the true cost of digging a ditch.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Excavation costs
>>
>> Anyone figured out what it costs them per foot for excavation using their
>> own machine?
>> I am working to figure out the real cost.
>> What does it cost to have a contractor do it?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Excavation costs

[Steve Jones]

whats your operator and equipment doing when hes not costing you? are you
pimping him to the other boys on the street?

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Lets say  you have an equipment operator that earns $20/hour.  I always
> double that for loaded cost.
> That operator can dig probably 50 foot/hour reliably.  So say 320 feet/day
> with start up and shut down inefficiencies.  8 x 40 = $320.  So $1/foot
> just for the labor.  More if we pay for a health insurance plan.
>
> Then equipment allowance.  $100K used excavator.  10% time value of money
> = $10K/year
> Depreciation expense, say $20K/year.
> So $30K/year.  If you kept it busy half the time, say 1000 hours, that is
> $30/hour.
> $240 per day.
>
> We are up to $560/day for 300 feet of ditch.  Round it up to $600 and you
> have a minimum of $2/foot.
> And knowing my estimates are generally off by half or 3x, perhaps $5/foot
> is a good planning figure for the true cost of digging a ditch.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Excavation costs
>
> Anyone figured out what it costs them per foot for excavation using their
> own machine?
> I am working to figure out the real cost.
> What does it cost to have a contractor do it?
>

[AFMUG] Fw: Excavation costs

[Chuck McCown]

Lets say  you have an equipment operator that earns $20/hour.  I always double 
that for loaded cost.
That operator can dig probably 50 foot/hour reliably.  So say 320 feet/day with 
start up and shut down inefficiencies.  8 x 40 = $320.  So $1/foot just for the 
labor.  More if we pay for a health insurance plan.  

Then equipment allowance.  $100K used excavator.  10% time value of money = 
$10K/year
Depreciation expense, say $20K/year.  
So $30K/year.  If you kept it busy half the time, say 1000 hours, that is 
$30/hour.  
$240 per day.

We are up to $560/day for 300 feet of ditch.  Round it up to $600 and you have 
a minimum of $2/foot.
And knowing my estimates are generally off by half or 3x, perhaps $5/foot is a 
good planning figure for the true cost of digging a ditch.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Excavation costs

Anyone figured out what it costs them per foot for excavation using their own 
machine?
I am working to figure out the real cost.  
What does it cost to have a contractor do it?

Re: [AFMUG] Excavation costs

[Adam Moffett]

The last contractor I asked said he couldn't give me a real number 
without seeing the site, but $10/foot as a safe guideline.


He could plow a drop cable for $4/foot.

At those prices, I immediately concluded I should buy a trencher and a 
plow :)




-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/21/2018 8:36:07 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Excavation costs

Anyone figured out what it costs them per foot for excavation using 
their own machine?

I am working to figure out the real cost.
What does it cost to have a contractor do it?

[AFMUG] Excavation costs

[Chuck McCown]

Anyone figured out what it costs them per foot for excavation using their own 
machine?
I am working to figure out the real cost.  
What does it cost to have a contractor do it?

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Chuck McCown]

They do.  You lose lots of capacity at low temps.
Especially bad for electric cars.  Not only do you lose battery discharge 
capacity, but cold cells will not accept a full charge either.  So a double 
whammy.


-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

For some reason I thought Lithium-ion had problems with low/freezing 
temperatures?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

If you are talking AC we have been using APC BG500 for small sites.
Lithium-ion battery.  Has ethernet built in, you can remotely switch a 
couple of ports and off load some ports if on battery.


Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:49 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios 
at around 10W peak each.


So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[George Skorup]

Yeah, that's the same price I got. So, uh, nevermind. Not for $700 a 
pop. I'll find something else for smaller sites that need >200W. I 
imagine we'll be moving lots of sites to 19" cabinets and full 
rectifiers. I'm just done with running out of cabinet space.


On 2/21/2018 2:03 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

From Alpha directly.  ~$700 or so.  They are -48VDC.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


Where are you sourcing the cordex units? What's the pricing like?

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, George Skorup
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we
seem to be right at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at
nearly every site.

On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

There is always this:


https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu



For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS
solution.  For 150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four
external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches
and maybe 3-6 radios at around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network
manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Sterling Jacobson]

For some reason I thought Lithium-ion had problems with low/freezing 
temperatures?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

If you are talking AC we have been using APC BG500 for small sites.
Lithium-ion battery.  Has ethernet built in, you can remotely switch a couple 
of ports and off load some ports if on battery.

Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:49 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios at 
around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Steve Jones]

Lmao, because autodiscover always works, and everybody wants imaps.

This includes scanner copiers.. wait, nope. Grandmas old xp machine running
her mail program noones ever heard of, nope.

Oh wait, its the end users respinsibility to have devices that comply with
the autodiscover configuration, and thats geek squads responsibility.


Oh, and about geek squad, nobody has a workaround for them, ever

On Feb 21, 2018 6:13 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

If you've set your service up correctly, there's nothing to walk them
though. It autodiscovers the settings they need and just prompts them for
e-mail address and password.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 




Midwest Internet Exchange 



The Brothers WISP 




--
*From: *"Jeremy" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:57:52 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

These customers want us to come out and setup their Outlook when they have
a new computer, walk them through setting up their phones, tell them where
the emails went when they pressed deleteetc., etc.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> WE only host for ISPs anymore, and those questions are sent to the ISP< if
> they wish to open a ticket with us we charge them for it.  Simple as that,
> 99% of the time once they open 1-2 tickets they know better and tell the
> customer. Lol.  J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
>
>
> "Im having problems with emails getting to people quickly. I send an email
> to myself and its there immediately, but I send it to my gmail, it takes
> 1-3 minutes. There is something wrong here that needs fixed, These delays
> are just too much"
>
> "I sent some customers emails that they didnt get" "how many customers?"
> "350, also Alot of people arent getting emails from me now, and I keep
> seeing these emails about delivery fail"
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
>
> On 2/21/18 9:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> "I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for
> tonight, but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email that
> I sent her?"
>
> "3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I
> can't find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?"
>
> "I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back.  Get it back now!"
>
> None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support time,
> even to tell them "No, go away"
>
>
>
> Do you actually tell people no though? I do, and it does signal that we
> expect our email users to be self-service and only contact us for issues
> with the tools we give them for self service.
>
> I also never mention we have an email service to any of our customers and
> discourage the ones that do see it thinking we'll be their email support,
> because we won't and I'm upfront about that.
>
> ~Seth
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Mike Hammett]

If you've set your service up correctly, there's nothing to walk them though. 
It autodiscovers the settings they need and just prompts them for e-mail 
address and password. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:57:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 


These customers want us to come out and setup their Outlook when they have a 
new computer, walk them through setting up their phones, tell them where the 
emails went when they pressed deleteetc., etc. 


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > 
wrote: 





WE only host for ISPs anymore, and those questions are sent to the ISP< if they 
wish to open a ticket with us we charge them for it. Simple as that, 99% of the 
time once they open 1-2 tickets they know better and tell the customer. Lol. J 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:52 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 


"Im having problems with emails getting to people quickly. I send an email to 
myself and its there immediately, but I send it to my gmail, it takes 1-3 
minutes. There is something wrong here that needs fixed, These delays are just 
too much" 

"I sent some customers emails that they didnt get" "how many customers?" "350, 
also Alot of people arent getting emails from me now, and I keep seeing these 
emails about delivery fail" 



On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 




On 2/21/18 9:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote: 


"I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for tonight, 
but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email that I sent her?" 

"3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I can't 
find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?" 

"I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back. Get it back now!" 

None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support time, even 
to tell them "No, go away" 




Do you actually tell people no though? I do, and it does signal that we expect 
our email users to be self-service and only contact us for issues with the 
tools we give them for self service. 

I also never mention we have an email service to any of our customers and 
discourage the ones that do see it thinking we'll be their email support, 
because we won't and I'm upfront about that. 

~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Steve Jones]

no, what makes sense is things lining up as expected. Remember a time when
things lining up mattered?  pepperidge farm remembers

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 5:49 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> OK, so that H section is helping with the 22.5 degree twist.  Makes
> sense.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 4:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt
>
> FYI, this was all me
>
> when I asked about the label, this was the response
>
>
> "They should be guided by the position of the waveguide itself, not the
> label. Vertical position of WG indicates Horizontal polarization,
> Horizontal position of WG indicates Vertical polarization."
>
>
>
> coupled with the assumption waveguide slots have to align, which is wrong
>
>
>
> they do sit like 22.5 degrees or something perpendicularish
>
>
>
> It shows it right there in their pictures
>
>
>
> Even explains it
>
>
>
> This is like the third time on this link where words didnt register in my
> head. Im pretty sure at this point Im on SAFs "Fuck that Guy" list
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> That is all out the window now, a V can self identify as H  and heck even
>> circular if they want to.  You cannot even refer to them as V and H
>> anymore.  It is a brave new world.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 2:58 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt
>>
>> The sticker and the stamp are opposite the horizontal side of the sticker
>> is stampe vertical, and vice versa. I found the issue (my lack of knowlege)
>> This sticker mismatch caused me to send an email, the response to which i
>> misinterpreted. It all went downhill from there.
>> I always assume in life that holes of an identical shape align to that
>> shape, something about pegs and holes growing up
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2018 3:23 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> The T stem part of this device has circular waveguide with both V&H in it
>> at the same time.
>>
>> Where the two rectangular waveguides come together, there is a cattle
>> sorting chute, shoving all the steers one way and all the heifers the other
>> way.
>>
>> So the waveguide marked with the V has V polarized signals coming and
>> going to and from the antenna.
>>
>> The waveguide marked with the H has H polarized signals coming and going
>> to and from the antenna.
>>
>> Both those waveguides are exactly the same, just performing the same
>> function as a piece of coax.  Think of them as being N connectors.  One N
>> connector with the V signal and one N connector with the H signal.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:50 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt
>>
>> To add to the confusion i have, look at the face stamps as compared to
>> the background sticker. It this just standard stuff i should defaultly
>> understand? This is the first time ive ever seen an OMT in person, but it
>> seems something is off or im making things to complicated, either are equal
>> candidates.
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2018 1:57 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> Attachments
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying
 issue probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0
 system. There are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface
 and the OMT interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have
 very little marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface,
 and the omt antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with
 screwdrivers, there are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded
 holes that dont look like they would align.

 Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin
 allowed. We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval
 because the pcn was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give

>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Mike Hammett]

Your backend should discover IPs making attempts and block them. 

Should also be systems to sense outbound spam and peculiar traffic patterns and 
block or rate limit those. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Dennis Burgess"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:26:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 



99% of the time, it’s a compromised account sending out spam, however, our spam 
system caches those and blocks the offender until we can either change the 
account password or remove the account. That’s 99% of what we do. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 


What are people doing to cause an administrative burden? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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- Original Message -


From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 

We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to customers 
years ago. We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our in-house emails. 
These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the amount of time that we 
spend dealing with email issues every year. I would never even consider going 
back to providing email, and we are considering cancelling these ten. 



On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > 
wrote: 




We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of 
servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go down 
and nothing stops working. We also backup everything on a daily basis, pricing 
starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the scale increases. We 
offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF and DMARK if you are so 
inclined to do so. Remote administration and simple migration. All of our 
pricing is here . 
https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in case 
someone wanted to know or wished us to host it. J Just a FYI. 

Dennis Burgess 
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 

I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they 
would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i 
required $20 a month paid annually. 


On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 





We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate and 
we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5 bucks a box 
per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your email after 
leaving our service. Figured that would get them to go away, but a suprising 
number keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have dialup customers that 
churn cash with zero support each month. 



On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk" < la...@serverplus.com > wrote: 


We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have a 
grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service. We used to run our 
own servers and found that we could provide better service at a lower cost (and 
wa less headaches). 

Layne Sisk 
ServerPlus 
801.426.8283, ext 102 






-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server 

For those of you still providing your users with an email account what 
platforms are you using? 

Re: [AFMUG] How to test your license protection?

[Steve Jones]

I am not sure if this was a PCN complaint, or part of the coordination
process, Im not versed enough to know what the coordinator is doing. I just
know that the carrier folk wanted us to back off by that amount to get the
channel set, That may be standard negotiation or whatever. I guess I should
have been more clear. This isnt a deployed link, it was the process of
getting more mhz on an existing path..

anyhow, I dont know whether I got marketed and played based on this email,
but we had a flag come up on a PCN, Comsearch notified us.

end of the day, its just not worth it for a small outfit like us to monitor
PCNs, like I was telling him, i have 1049 unread emails in my PCN folder,
and I actually look at the bulk of them. I dont have the GIS or propagation
tools to watch all PCNs and alert.

Pricing isnt bad for the service on all our links, and we intend on
backboning everything in licensed. The after the fact lawyer cost for us
not catching a PCN isnt worth it.

Comsearch is old and trusted, Im pretty sure they have reliable software,
or they just have that Roger fella who knows a little about operating radio
mobile locked in the basement profiling every PCN, Either way, I guess im
pretty comfortable, boss didnt flinch at the price, so thats good

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> These are both informative and insightful emails, and I for one thank you
> both for sharing.
> -Adam
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Black" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/16/2018 8:48:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How to test your license protection?
>
> While I agree with a lot of what Tim has written, I might add a bit of
> balance from the point of view of a smaller coordinator:
>
>
>
> Yes, there are coordinators that use the "shotgun" approach, or as we
> refer to it, coordination by proxy.  They release basic path parameters on
> a PCN, gather feedback from protection agents or individual operators, then
> adjust as necessary and repeat.  One coordinator that comes to mind seems
> to release every new PCN with radios configured for maximum TX power, only
> to follow-up days later with a modification to reduce that power to more
> modest levels.  As the other path parameters often don't change, I can only
> assume this modification is based on feedback from existing operators or
> their protection representatives, and not due to a change requested by the
> prospective licensee.  How you coordinate a path without considering TX
> power is beyond me.
>
>
>
> But not all PCN modifications are due to shoddy work by the originating
> coordinator as Tim suggests.  Taking Steve's example of a complaint from a
> major carrier, you can fairly safely assume that the major carrier's path
> was originally coordinated and is now protected by a major coordinator
> because that is how the carriers operate.  If the carrier's path was
> actually licensed there should be sufficient data in public records to
> avoid interference, so the error would legitimately be on Steve's
> coordinator.  On the other hand, major carriers are known for coordinating
> paths and sitting on them, unlicensed, for years on end by simply renewing
> their PCNs every six months.  Technically there is nothing wrong with this
> according to the FCC rules, but it probably stretches the spirit of the
> rule.
>
>
>
> If the interfered system in Steve's case was indeed being held in reserve
> on perpetual PCN, the real problem may originate with the carrier's
> coordinator -- the major coordinators are very stingy about who they
> distribute PCNs to, limiting distribution to licensees, applicants and
> designated protection agents.  If Steve's coordinator wasn't in one of
> these categories they may never have received the PCN from the carrier's
> coordinator, and thus may not have had any way of knowing that they had to
> avoid interfering with the carrier's link.  This raises costs all around:
> the major coordinator needs to pay protection staff to generate case
> letters protecting PCNs which they themselves failed to adequately
> distribute during their coordination task, and Steve's coordinator needs to
> re-analyze his path with a new, more complete picture of the interference
> situation, then redistribute his PCN.  Meanwhile, all the other
> coordinators need to re-analyze the re-distributed PCN.  Why the major
> coordinators limit PCN distribution has always puzzled us.  A cynic may
> interpret this as a blatant attempt to stifle competition in the
> coordination space or perhaps as a way to pad their stats on their monthly
> protection reports making the protection service seem more effective than
> it really is.  Smaller coordinators generally seem much better at notifying
> all "potentially affected parties".
>
>
>
> So the ultimate reward for going with a licensed link is getting that
> piece of paper from the FCC saying you have exclusive use of the
> frequencies for 10 years.  Assuming your coordinator finds yo

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Chuck McCown]

OK, so that H section is helping with the 22.5 degree twist.  Makes sense.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 4:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

FYI, this was all me 

when I asked about the label, this was the response



"They should be guided by the position of the waveguide itself, not the label. 
Vertical position of WG indicates Horizontal polarization, Horizontal position 
of WG indicates Vertical polarization."



coupled with the assumption waveguide slots have to align, which is wrong



they do sit like 22.5 degrees or something perpendicularish



It shows it right there in their pictures



Even explains it



This is like the third time on this link where words didnt register in my head. 
Im pretty sure at this point Im on SAFs "Fuck that Guy" list




On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  That is all out the window now, a V can self identify as H  and heck even 
circular if they want to.  You cannot even refer to them as V and H anymore.  
It is a brave new world.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 2:58 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

  The sticker and the stamp are opposite the horizontal side of the sticker is 
stampe vertical, and vice versa. I found the issue (my lack of knowlege) 
  This sticker mismatch caused me to send an email, the response to which i 
misinterpreted. It all went downhill from there.
  I always assume in life that holes of an identical shape align to that shape, 
something about pegs and holes growing up

  On Feb 21, 2018 3:23 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

The T stem part of this device has circular waveguide with both V&H in it 
at the same time.  

Where the two rectangular waveguides come together, there is a cattle 
sorting chute, shoving all the steers one way and all the heifers the other 
way.  

So the waveguide marked with the V has V polarized signals coming and going 
to and from the antenna.  

The waveguide marked with the H has H polarized signals coming and going to 
and from the antenna.  

Both those waveguides are exactly the same, just performing the same 
function as a piece of coax.  Think of them as being N connectors.  One N 
connector with the V signal and one N connector with the H signal.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

To add to the confusion i have, look at the face stamps as compared to the 
background sticker. It this just standard stuff i should defaultly understand? 
This is the first time ive ever seen an OMT in person, but it seems something 
is off or im making things to complicated, either are equal candidates.

On Feb 21, 2018 1:57 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

  Attachments

  On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying 
issue probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system. 
There are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the OMT 
interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very little 
marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the omt 
antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with screwdrivers, there 
are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded holes that dont look like 
they would align. 

Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin 
allowed. We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval 
because the pcn was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Steve Jones]

FYI, this was all me

when I asked about the label, this was the response


"They should be guided by the position of the waveguide itself, not the
label. Vertical position of WG indicates Horizontal polarization,
Horizontal position of WG indicates Vertical polarization."


coupled with the assumption waveguide slots have to align, which is wrong


they do sit like 22.5 degrees or something perpendicularish


It shows it right there in their pictures


Even explains it


This is like the third time on this link where words didnt register in my
head. Im pretty sure at this point Im on SAFs "Fuck that Guy" list


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> That is all out the window now, a V can self identify as H  and heck even
> circular if they want to.  You cannot even refer to them as V and H
> anymore.  It is a brave new world.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 2:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt
>
> The sticker and the stamp are opposite the horizontal side of the sticker
> is stampe vertical, and vice versa. I found the issue (my lack of knowlege)
> This sticker mismatch caused me to send an email, the response to which i
> misinterpreted. It all went downhill from there.
> I always assume in life that holes of an identical shape align to that
> shape, something about pegs and holes growing up
>
> On Feb 21, 2018 3:23 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> The T stem part of this device has circular waveguide with both V&H in it
> at the same time.
>
> Where the two rectangular waveguides come together, there is a cattle
> sorting chute, shoving all the steers one way and all the heifers the other
> way.
>
> So the waveguide marked with the V has V polarized signals coming and
> going to and from the antenna.
>
> The waveguide marked with the H has H polarized signals coming and going
> to and from the antenna.
>
> Both those waveguides are exactly the same, just performing the same
> function as a piece of coax.  Think of them as being N connectors.  One N
> connector with the V signal and one N connector with the H signal.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt
>
> To add to the confusion i have, look at the face stamps as compared to the
> background sticker. It this just standard stuff i should defaultly
> understand? This is the first time ive ever seen an OMT in person, but it
> seems something is off or im making things to complicated, either are equal
> candidates.
>
> On Feb 21, 2018 1:57 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Attachments
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying
>>> issue probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0
>>> system. There are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface
>>> and the OMT interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have
>>> very little marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface,
>>> and the omt antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with
>>> screwdrivers, there are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded
>>> holes that dont look like they would align.
>>>
>>> Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin
>>> allowed. We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval
>>> because the pcn was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, but the gain is too low on the LW... it's only good for like 50 feet!

...I know it can actually do better than 50', but still, distance is pretty
limited with the LW to a sector/omni. I'm assuming that most of the PtMP
clients we do will be using the 60-19.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Harold Bledsoe 
wrote:

> We're working on it.  LW comes in at $299 - we'll keep driving it down!
>
> Another option possibly is to do a mix of 60GHz and pure 5GHz clients.
> Sell 50M plans on 5GHz and 1G plans on 60GHz at a premium.  ;-)
>
> Thanks,
> -Hal
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:25 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
>> This looks sweet, the AP is at a good price point.   The CPE at 4500 will
>> not work for us, needs to be at $120 to $150.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:27 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>
>>
>>
>> Not 50 feet.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/
>> MetroLinq-10G-Omni-datasheet.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> The range depends on the client used so it ranges from 150m to 700m.
>> Keep in mind this isn't a 120 degree fixed sector - it has beamforming so
>> the actual beam is 8 degrees horizontal by 32 degrees vertical - it moves
>> to the client it is talking to at that particular moment in time.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Hal
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:04 PM Robert Andrews 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 50 feet... :)
>>
>> On 02/20/2018 09:59 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> > Yikes. What is the range on the 60GHz @ 120 degrees?
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Bill Prince > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > 3 * 120° at 60 GHz
>> >
>> > 1 360°  at 5 GHz
>> >
>> > 1 360° at 2.4 GHz
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> > On 2/20/2018 9:13 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> >
>> > What's the beamwidth on this?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Chuck McCown]

That is all out the window now, a V can self identify as H  and heck even 
circular if they want to.  You cannot even refer to them as V and H anymore.  
It is a brave new world.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 2:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

The sticker and the stamp are opposite the horizontal side of the sticker is 
stampe vertical, and vice versa. I found the issue (my lack of knowlege) 
This sticker mismatch caused me to send an email, the response to which i 
misinterpreted. It all went downhill from there.
I always assume in life that holes of an identical shape align to that shape, 
something about pegs and holes growing up

On Feb 21, 2018 3:23 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  The T stem part of this device has circular waveguide with both V&H in it at 
the same time.  

  Where the two rectangular waveguides come together, there is a cattle sorting 
chute, shoving all the steers one way and all the heifers the other way.  

  So the waveguide marked with the V has V polarized signals coming and going 
to and from the antenna.  

  The waveguide marked with the H has H polarized signals coming and going to 
and from the antenna.  

  Both those waveguides are exactly the same, just performing the same function 
as a piece of coax.  Think of them as being N connectors.  One N connector with 
the V signal and one N connector with the H signal.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:50 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

  To add to the confusion i have, look at the face stamps as compared to the 
background sticker. It this just standard stuff i should defaultly understand? 
This is the first time ive ever seen an OMT in person, but it seems something 
is off or im making things to complicated, either are equal candidates.

  On Feb 21, 2018 1:57 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Attachments

On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

  Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying issue 
probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system. There 
are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the OMT 
interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very little 
marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the omt 
antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with screwdrivers, there 
are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded holes that dont look like 
they would align. 

  Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin 
allowed. We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval 
because the pcn was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Chuck McCown]

I didn’t take a close look at that circular waveguide until just now.  There is 
a considerable size mismatch it appears.  Those holes should be closer in size 
than that.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

hmm I am not an expert.. but from the pictures it would appear that you are 
missing a set of mounting plates..


The first set of pictures look like a mounting plate for the Antenna side, 
where the OMT will attach to.. (they wave guide is circular, to all for both 
polarities, mounting direction would not be relevant).


The 2nd picture shows  the OMT flage and the radio.. so some how the radio has 
to attach to  each side of the OMT flage.

H & V are marked properly .. if you can read the letter properly (straight) 
then the slot is in the appropriate direction. 


The Integra radios apparently attach at  45degree angel .. so where are the 
plates which should attach to each of the two flanges (H & V) so that you can 
mount (screw) the radio on them ?


:)  my two cents worth !


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Steve Jones" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:50:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

  To add to the confusion i have, look at the face stamps as compared to the 
background sticker. It this just standard stuff i should defaultly understand? 
This is the first time ive ever seen an OMT in person, but it seems something 
is off or im making things to complicated, either are equal candidates.

  On Feb 21, 2018 1:57 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Attachments

On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

  Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying issue 
probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system. There 
are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the OMT 
interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very little 
marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the omt 
antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with screwdrivers, there 
are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded holes that dont look like 
they would align. 

  Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin 
allowed. We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval 
because the pcn was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[SmarterBroadband]

This looks sweet, the AP is at a good price point.   The CPE at $500 will not 
work for us, needs to be at $120 to $150.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

 

Not 50 feet.  ;-)

 

https://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/MetroLinq-10G-Omni-datasheet.pdf

 

The range depends on the client used so it ranges from 150m to 700m.  Keep in 
mind this isn't a 120 degree fixed sector - it has beamforming so the actual 
beam is 8 degrees horizontal by 32 degrees vertical - it moves to the client it 
is talking to at that particular moment in time.

 

-Hal

 

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:04 PM Robert Andrews mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

50 feet... :)

On 02/20/2018 09:59 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> Yikes. What is the range on the 60GHz @ 120 degrees?
>
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Bill Prince   
>  >> wrote:
>
> 3 * 120° at 60 GHz
>
> 1 360°  at 5 GHz
>
> 1 360° at 2.4 GHz
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/20/2018 9:13 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> What's the beamwidth on this?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[Harold Bledsoe]

We're working on it.  LW comes in at $299 - we'll keep driving it down!

Another option possibly is to do a mix of 60GHz and pure 5GHz clients.
Sell 50M plans on 5GHz and 1G plans on 60GHz at a premium.  ;-)

Thanks,
-Hal

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:25 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> This looks sweet, the AP is at a good price point.   The CPE at 4500 will
> not work for us, needs to be at $120 to $150.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:27 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>
>
>
> Not 50 feet.  ;-)
>
>
>
>
> https://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/MetroLinq-10G-Omni-datasheet.pdf
>
>
>
> The range depends on the client used so it ranges from 150m to 700m.  Keep
> in mind this isn't a 120 degree fixed sector - it has beamforming so the
> actual beam is 8 degrees horizontal by 32 degrees vertical - it moves to
> the client it is talking to at that particular moment in time.
>
>
>
> -Hal
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:04 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
> 50 feet... :)
>
> On 02/20/2018 09:59 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> > Yikes. What is the range on the 60GHz @ 120 degrees?
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Bill Prince  > > wrote:
> >
> > 3 * 120° at 60 GHz
> >
> > 1 360°  at 5 GHz
> >
> > 1 360° at 2.4 GHz
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/20/2018 9:13 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> >
> > What's the beamwidth on this?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support

[Dave]

+1
 I have been with them since the beginning and really never had any 
serious issues with them on response or response time.



On 02/21/2018 02:57 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
The few times that I've needed support, I just posted the problem on 
the Cambium forum... everytime I've done that, an actual engineer has 
responded within a couple hours and then I just dealt with them 
directly (I'm talking about actual hardware problems of firmware bugs 
though... not just me doing something stupid). The only times that 
I've used the normal support was for RMA's.


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Ryan Ray > wrote:


I've also never really had issues. If you find you're not getting
the response you need out of tier 1 just ask to be escalated. I've
gone through RMA's, licensing issues, etc, always answered quickly
and with proper information.

If you're looking for help with epmp go look on the forums.
There's lots of info there, although poorly laid out (especially
all the pinned topics that are out of date, and hard to
differentiate between other topics)

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:

I have had very little issue with support, but like many other
companies these days, e-mail through
support.cambiumnetworks.com
 web portal always gets
answered very quickly. Other companies prefer e-mail support
as well these days.  I have filled out support tickets with
Cambium and received calls back within the hour.  I try to put
as much relevant information to minimize the back and forth as
possible like Adam says.

Last issue I had was some licensing issues.  Had a resolution
within an hour of filling out the request.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net 

www.mtin.net 
www.midwest-ix.com 


On Feb 20, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've almost never needed them.
When I did call support one time, I had the same complaint as
you.  I was advised by someone higher up the chain to open
the ticket online.  That's essentially what the phone
answerer is doing, but they're transcribing your words and
may be mangling them.  Fill out the online ticket request and
you can describe the issue in your own words and get some of
the dumb questions out of the way immediately.



-- Original Message --
From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/20/2018 7:31:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support


Also. How do I get American support that can solve my issue
while on the phone?  The few times I’ve called in someone
takes my info down and just opens a ticket.


On Feb 20, 2018, at 19:26, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

Why does Cambium Support suck so bad?

Why do they not have access to my cnMaestro account?

Every time I open a ticket I’m asked 10 questions that
could all be answered if the tech had access to my
cnMaestro cloud account.

What firmware version?  How is it configured? Etc etc.

Instead of getting solutions when I open a ticket I get
question after question back.

I’ve had nothing but issues since embarking on my Cambium
adventures a month ago.

Latest issue is a cnPilot device that was connected and
working fine for several weeks, now it shows connected and
stats but won’t let me change the SSID from the cloud.








--

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Steve Jones]

The sticker and the stamp are opposite the horizontal side of the sticker
is stampe vertical, and vice versa. I found the issue (my lack of knowlege)
This sticker mismatch caused me to send an email, the response to which i
misinterpreted. It all went downhill from there.
I always assume in life that holes of an identical shape align to that
shape, something about pegs and holes growing up

On Feb 21, 2018 3:23 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

The T stem part of this device has circular waveguide with both V&H in it
at the same time.

Where the two rectangular waveguides come together, there is a cattle
sorting chute, shoving all the steers one way and all the heifers the other
way.

So the waveguide marked with the V has V polarized signals coming and going
to and from the antenna.

The waveguide marked with the H has H polarized signals coming and going to
and from the antenna.

Both those waveguides are exactly the same, just performing the same
function as a piece of coax.  Think of them as being N connectors.  One N
connector with the V signal and one N connector with the H signal.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

To add to the confusion i have, look at the face stamps as compared to the
background sticker. It this just standard stuff i should defaultly
understand? This is the first time ive ever seen an OMT in person, but it
seems something is off or im making things to complicated, either are equal
candidates.

On Feb 21, 2018 1:57 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> Attachments
>
> On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying issue
>> probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system.
>> There are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the
>> OMT interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very
>> little marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the
>> omt antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with
>> screwdrivers, there are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded
>> holes that dont look like they would align.
>>
>> Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin
>> allowed. We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval
>> because the pcn was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Jeremy]

These customers want us to come out and setup their Outlook when they have
a new computer, walk them through setting up their phones, tell them where
the emails went when they pressed deleteetc., etc.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> WE only host for ISPs anymore, and those questions are sent to the ISP< if
> they wish to open a ticket with us we charge them for it.  Simple as that,
> 99% of the time once they open 1-2 tickets they know better and tell the
> customer. Lol.  J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
>
>
> "Im having problems with emails getting to people quickly. I send an email
> to myself and its there immediately, but I send it to my gmail, it takes
> 1-3 minutes. There is something wrong here that needs fixed, These delays
> are just too much"
>
> "I sent some customers emails that they didnt get" "how many customers?"
> "350, also Alot of people arent getting emails from me now, and I keep
> seeing these emails about delivery fail"
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
>
> On 2/21/18 9:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> "I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for
> tonight, but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email that
> I sent her?"
>
> "3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I
> can't find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?"
>
> "I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back.  Get it back now!"
>
> None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support time,
> even to tell them "No, go away"
>
>
>
> Do you actually tell people no though? I do, and it does signal that we
> expect our email users to be self-service and only contact us for issues
> with the tools we give them for self service.
>
> I also never mention we have an email service to any of our customers and
> discourage the ones that do see it thinking we'll be their email support,
> because we won't and I'm upfront about that.
>
> ~Seth
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Mark Radabaugh]

I think somebody put the sticker on top on the wrong way. 

The flange stamped H is really H, and the V is really V.On rectangular 
waveguide the dimensions are opposite of what you would think - the wide slot 
being parallel with the ground is vertical.   Make sure the slots on the radios 
line up.Since these don’t have pins to align the flanges you might want to 
align the antennas using standard methods of RF alignment, and then when done 
go back and try rolling the radios on the flanges to see if you can get any 
better signal through the waveguide.

Mark

> On Feb 21, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> To add to the confusion i have, look at the face stamps as compared to the 
> background sticker. It this just standard stuff i should defaultly 
> understand? This is the first time ive ever seen an OMT in person, but it 
> seems something is off or im making things to complicated, either are equal 
> candidates.
> 
> On Feb 21, 2018 1:57 PM, "Steve Jones"  > wrote:
> Attachments
> 
> On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones"  > wrote:
> Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying issue 
> probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system. 
> There are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the 
> OMT interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very little 
> marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the omt 
> antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with screwdrivers, 
> there are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded holes that dont look 
> like they would align.
> 
> Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin 
> allowed. We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval 
> because the pcn was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give
> <20180221_142427.jpg><20180221_142414.jpg>

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Layne Sisk]

We actually provide the support for most of the ISPs that we provide email 
hosting for so the support calls come to us and there is not an additional cost 
to most ISPs (except the per call ones).  But because our main business is 
customer support we were very picky about finding a hosted email solution that 
does NOT generate calls.  In the rare occasion when we get the calls our techs 
usually remote in and fix the issue for the customer instead of trying to talk 
them through it.  Less time, less pain, less frustration.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

"Im having problems with emails getting to people quickly. I send an email to 
myself and its there immediately, but I send it to my gmail, it takes 1-3 
minutes. There is something wrong here that needs fixed, These delays are just 
too much"
"I sent some customers emails that they didnt get" "how many customers?" "350, 
also Alot of people arent getting emails from me now, and I keep seeing these 
emails about delivery fail"

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Seth Mattinen 
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
On 2/21/18 9:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
"I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for tonight, 
but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email that I sent her?"

"3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I can't 
find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?"

"I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back.  Get it back now!"

None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support time, even 
to tell them "No, go away"


Do you actually tell people no though? I do, and it does signal that we expect 
our email users to be self-service and only contact us for issues with the 
tools we give them for self service.

I also never mention we have an email service to any of our customers and 
discourage the ones that do see it thinking we'll be their email support, 
because we won't and I'm upfront about that.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Jon Langeler]

What’s a BCMU setup look like?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Feb 21, 2018, at 2:14 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> BCMU

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Faisal Imtiaz]

hmm I am not an expert.. but from the pictures it would appear that you are 
missing a set of mounting plates.. 

The first set of pictures look like a mounting plate for the Antenna side, 
where the OMT will attach to.. (they wave guide is circular, to all for both 
polarities, mounting direction would not be relevant). 

The 2nd picture shows the OMT flage and the radio.. so some how the radio has 
to attach to each side of the OMT flage. 
H & V are marked properly .. if you can read the letter properly (straight) 
then the slot is in the appropriate direction. 

The Integra radios apparently attach at 45degree angel .. so where are the 
plates which should attach to each of the two flanges (H & V) so that you can 
mount (screw) the radio on them ? 

:) my two cents worth ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:50:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

> To add to the confusion i have, look at the face stamps as compared to the
> background sticker. It this just standard stuff i should defaultly understand?
> This is the first time ive ever seen an OMT in person, but it seems something
> is off or im making things to complicated, either are equal candidates.

> On Feb 21, 2018 1:57 PM, "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> Attachments

>> On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>> Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying issue
>>> probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system. 
>>> There
>>> are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the OMT
>>> interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very little
>>> marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the omt
>>> antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with screwdrivers, 
>>> there
>>> are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded holes that dont look like
>>> they would align.

>>> Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin 
>>> allowed.
>>> We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval because the 
>>> pcn
>>> was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Chuck McCown]

The rectangular orientation of the two rectangular waveguides are at right 
angles only to simplify the mechanical design.  

The fact they are one way or the other just means you have to match the 
connecting device with their orientation.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

To add to the confusion i have, look at the face stamps as compared to the 
background sticker. It this just standard stuff i should defaultly understand? 
This is the first time ive ever seen an OMT in person, but it seems something 
is off or im making things to complicated, either are equal candidates.

On Feb 21, 2018 1:57 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

  Attachments

  On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying issue 
probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system. There 
are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the OMT 
interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very little 
marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the omt 
antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with screwdrivers, there 
are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded holes that dont look like 
they would align. 

Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin 
allowed. We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval 
because the pcn was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Chuck McCown]

The T stem part of this device has circular waveguide with both V&H in it at 
the same time.  

Where the two rectangular waveguides come together, there is a cattle sorting 
chute, shoving all the steers one way and all the heifers the other way.  

So the waveguide marked with the V has V polarized signals coming and going to 
and from the antenna.  

The waveguide marked with the H has H polarized signals coming and going to and 
from the antenna.  

Both those waveguides are exactly the same, just performing the same function 
as a piece of coax.  Think of them as being N connectors.  One N connector with 
the V signal and one N connector with the H signal.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

To add to the confusion i have, look at the face stamps as compared to the 
background sticker. It this just standard stuff i should defaultly understand? 
This is the first time ive ever seen an OMT in person, but it seems something 
is off or im making things to complicated, either are equal candidates.

On Feb 21, 2018 1:57 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

  Attachments

  On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying issue 
probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system. There 
are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the OMT 
interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very little 
marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the omt 
antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with screwdrivers, there 
are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded holes that dont look like 
they would align. 

Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin 
allowed. We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval 
because the pcn was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support

[Mathew Howard]

The few times that I've needed support, I just posted the problem on the
Cambium forum... everytime I've done that, an actual engineer has responded
within a couple hours and then I just dealt with them directly (I'm talking
about actual hardware problems of firmware bugs though... not just me doing
something stupid). The only times that I've used the normal support was for
RMA's.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> I've also never really had issues. If you find you're not getting the
> response you need out of tier 1 just ask to be escalated. I've gone through
> RMA's, licensing issues, etc, always answered quickly and with proper
> information.
>
> If you're looking for help with epmp go look on the forums. There's lots
> of info there, although poorly laid out (especially all the pinned topics
> that are out of date, and hard to differentiate between other topics)
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>
>> I have had very little issue with support, but like many other companies
>> these days, e-mail through support.cambiumnetworks.com web portal always
>> gets answered very quickly.   Other companies prefer e-mail support as well
>> these days.  I have filled out support tickets with Cambium and received
>> calls back within the hour.  I try to put as much relevant information to
>> minimize the back and forth as possible like Adam says.
>>
>> Last issue I had was some licensing issues.  Had a resolution within an
>> hour of filling out the request.
>>
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>>
>> www.mtin.net
>> www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> I've almost never needed them.
>> When I did call support one time, I had the same complaint as you.  I was
>> advised by someone higher up the chain to open the ticket online.  That's
>> essentially what the phone answerer is doing, but they're transcribing your
>> words and may be mangling them.  Fill out the online ticket request and you
>> can describe the issue in your own words and get some of the dumb questions
>> out of the way immediately.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/20/2018 7:31:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support
>>
>> Also. How do I get American support that can solve my issue while on the
>> phone?  The few times I’ve called in someone takes my info down and just
>> opens a ticket.
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2018, at 19:26, Matt Hoppes 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Why does Cambium Support suck so bad?
>>
>> Why do they not have access to my cnMaestro account?
>>
>> Every time I open a ticket I’m asked 10 questions that could all be
>> answered if the tech had access to my cnMaestro cloud account.
>>
>> What firmware version?  How is it configured? Etc etc.
>>
>> Instead of getting solutions when I open a ticket I get question after
>> question back.
>>
>> I’ve had nothing but issues since embarking on my Cambium adventures a
>> month ago.
>>
>> Latest issue is a cnPilot device that was connected and working fine for
>> several weeks, now it shows connected and stats but won’t let me change the
>> SSID from the cloud.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Chuck McCown]

No attachment, but you can have quite a bit of alignment mismatch on 
rectangular waveguide without causing it to fail.  As long as the long axis 
aligns with the long axis of the other part you should be good.

This also assume that the two waveguides are the same or very similar 
frequency/size.  You can mate on series of waveguide with the next series up or 
down in frequency with a loss of returnloss but again, it will still work.  
Waveguide is pretty forgiving stuff.  You can even have a gap at the flanges 
and they will pretty much work.  You don’t really need to tighten them down.  
Just get them close or in contact.  

Not talking lab quality stuff here.  Just practical what works in the field.  
In the lab of course all the flanges are cleaned with alcohol and the flanges 
are torqued.  But that is because you are trying to get those super good 
numbers to publish in your catalog.  

In the field +/-3dB generally is just fine

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying issue 
probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system. There 
are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the OMT 
interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very little 
marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the omt 
antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with screwdrivers, there 
are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded holes that dont look like 
they would align. 

Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin allowed. 
We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval because the pcn 
was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give

Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Chuck McCown]

Interesting... yeah match up the short walls with each other.  

That little area that is routed out is a section of lower frequency ridged 
waveguide.  Not totally sure what it is doing, probably some kind of high pass 
or low pass filter effect.  There are all kind of choke flange tricks different 
companies use to get a tiny bit of better performance.  

So, pretend that H section thingy does not exist.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

Attachments

On Feb 21, 2018 1:53 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

  Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying issue 
probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system. There 
are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the OMT 
interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very little 
marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the omt 
antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with screwdrivers, there 
are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded holes that dont look like 
they would align. 

  Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin 
allowed. We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval 
because the pcn was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Dennis Burgess]

WE only host for ISPs anymore, and those questions are sent to the ISP< if they 
wish to open a ticket with us we charge them for it.  Simple as that, 99% of 
the time once they open 1-2 tickets they know better and tell the customer. 
Lol.  ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

"Im having problems with emails getting to people quickly. I send an email to 
myself and its there immediately, but I send it to my gmail, it takes 1-3 
minutes. There is something wrong here that needs fixed, These delays are just 
too much"
"I sent some customers emails that they didnt get" "how many customers?" "350, 
also Alot of people arent getting emails from me now, and I keep seeing these 
emails about delivery fail"

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Seth Mattinen 
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
On 2/21/18 9:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
"I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for tonight, 
but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email that I sent her?"

"3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I can't 
find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?"

"I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back.  Get it back now!"

None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support time, even 
to tell them "No, go away"


Do you actually tell people no though? I do, and it does signal that we expect 
our email users to be self-service and only contact us for issues with the 
tools we give them for self service.

I also never mention we have an email service to any of our customers and 
discourage the ones that do see it thinking we'll be their email support, 
because we won't and I'm upfront about that.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[George Skorup]

I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we seem to be 
right at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at nearly every site.


On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

There is always this:

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu

For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.  
For 150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:


I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe
3-6 radios at around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Jason McKemie]

Yup, I've been using Gmail/Google Apps for years and it has worked great.

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> God bless gmail.
>
> *From:* Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:46 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> "I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for
> tonight, but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email that
> I sent her?"
>
> "3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I
> can't find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?"
>
> "I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back.  Get it back now!"
>
> None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support time,
> even to tell them "No, go away"
>
> On 2/21/2018 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Username and password is all they need. If you've set your backend up
> correctly, most mail clients will autodiscover all other required settings.
>
> It really isn't that complicated.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Brandon Yuchasz" mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:53:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> My guess is “ I cant get email to work on my new iphone” J
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
>
>
> What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Jeremy" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to
> customers years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our
> in-house emails.  These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the
> amount of time that we spend dealing with email issues every year.  I would
> never even consider going back to providing email, and we are considering
> cancelling these ten.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of
> servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go
> down and nothing stops working.  We also backup everything on a daily
> basis, pricing starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the
> scale increases.   We offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF
> and DMARK if you are so inclined to do so.  Remote administration and
> simple migration.  All of our pricing is here .
> 
> https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in
> case someone wanted to know or wished us to host it.J  Just a FYI.
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103
> <%28314%29%20735-0270> – dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
>
>
> I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they
> would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i
> required $20 a month paid annually.
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate
> and we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5
> bucks a box per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your
> email after leaving our service. Figured tha

Re: [AFMUG] FCC licensing common carrier or non-common carrier?

[Carl Peterson]

I seem to remember it is like a grand or so but we did it years ago.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

> How much does that cost anyways?
>
> Keefe
>
>
>
> On 2/21/2018 12:11 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
>> So I'm in the process of applying for the non-exclusive nationwide
>> license that we apparently need for e-band links... as a plain ordinary
>> WISP, should I be checking the "common carrier" or "non-common carrier"
>> check box?
>>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/21/18 10:30, Chuck McCown wrote:

Do they do a hit-less transfer?



The Smart 750XL is not a double online UPS, no.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Chuck McCown]

Some inverter systems keep the inverter running all the time powering the 
load so there is never a transfer from mains to inverter power.


Most have a transfer switch of some kind.  Relays take some time to switch 
and you will be without power for some amount of time.


But many devices can keep running for a few cycles of sine wave before 
crashing.  I guess it all depends on the load.


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

Not sure what you mean by Hitless, but I've never had a problem with
things rebooting when switching on/off battery.   We ran into an
instance at one of our sites where the power company had 2 HV wires
before the transformer that were bouncing into each other.  Caused
multiple power issues per second (the fluorescent lights in the building
were acting like strobes)  The UPS didn't seem to care, and none of the
equipment rebooted.

On 2/21/2018 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Do they do a hit-less transfer?


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

I've been very happy with APC SmartUPS 750XL units.  Hook up as much or
as little battery as you want.  Internal 18AH or multiple 100+AH (in 24V
strings)  Haven't had a failure other than from an external source
(Water, Mice) through multiple Chicago winters/summers.  I know it's not
as efficient as a pure DC plant, but I'm only putting out ~$70 for the
UPS + batteries and don't have to worry about multiple voltages for
different equipment.

On 2/21/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 
radios at around 10W peak each.


So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[SmarterBroadband]

This looks sweet, the AP is at a good price point.   The CPE at 4500 will not 
work for us, needs to be at $120 to $150.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

 

Not 50 feet.  ;-)

 

https://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/MetroLinq-10G-Omni-datasheet.pdf

 

The range depends on the client used so it ranges from 150m to 700m.  Keep in 
mind this isn't a 120 degree fixed sector - it has beamforming so the actual 
beam is 8 degrees horizontal by 32 degrees vertical - it moves to the client it 
is talking to at that particular moment in time.

 

-Hal

 

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:04 PM Robert Andrews mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

50 feet... :)

On 02/20/2018 09:59 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> Yikes. What is the range on the 60GHz @ 120 degrees?
>
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Bill Prince   
>  >> wrote:
>
> 3 * 120° at 60 GHz
>
> 1 360°  at 5 GHz
>
> 1 360° at 2.4 GHz
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/20/2018 9:13 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> What's the beamwidth on this?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support

[Ryan Ray]

I've also never really had issues. If you find you're not getting the
response you need out of tier 1 just ask to be escalated. I've gone through
RMA's, licensing issues, etc, always answered quickly and with proper
information.

If you're looking for help with epmp go look on the forums. There's lots of
info there, although poorly laid out (especially all the pinned topics that
are out of date, and hard to differentiate between other topics)

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> I have had very little issue with support, but like many other companies
> these days, e-mail through support.cambiumnetworks.com web portal always
> gets answered very quickly.   Other companies prefer e-mail support as well
> these days.  I have filled out support tickets with Cambium and received
> calls back within the hour.  I try to put as much relevant information to
> minimize the back and forth as possible like Adam says.
>
> Last issue I had was some licensing issues.  Had a resolution within an
> hour of filling out the request.
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> www.mtin.net
> www.midwest-ix.com
>
> On Feb 20, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I've almost never needed them.
> When I did call support one time, I had the same complaint as you.  I was
> advised by someone higher up the chain to open the ticket online.  That's
> essentially what the phone answerer is doing, but they're transcribing your
> words and may be mangling them.  Fill out the online ticket request and you
> can describe the issue in your own words and get some of the dumb questions
> out of the way immediately.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/20/2018 7:31:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support
>
> Also. How do I get American support that can solve my issue while on the
> phone?  The few times I’ve called in someone takes my info down and just
> opens a ticket.
>
> On Feb 20, 2018, at 19:26, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> Why does Cambium Support suck so bad?
>
> Why do they not have access to my cnMaestro account?
>
> Every time I open a ticket I’m asked 10 questions that could all be
> answered if the tech had access to my cnMaestro cloud account.
>
> What firmware version?  How is it configured? Etc etc.
>
> Instead of getting solutions when I open a ticket I get question after
> question back.
>
> I’ve had nothing but issues since embarking on my Cambium adventures a
> month ago.
>
> Latest issue is a cnPilot device that was connected and working fine for
> several weeks, now it shows connected and stats but won’t let me change the
> SSID from the cloud.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC licensing common carrier or non-common carrier?

[Mathew Howard]

$545 for the FCC license. There may also be a fee for registering the
individual links, but I haven't gotten that far yet.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

> How much does that cost anyways?
>
> Keefe
>
>
>
> On 2/21/2018 12:11 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
>> So I'm in the process of applying for the non-exclusive nationwide
>> license that we apparently need for e-band links... as a plain ordinary
>> WISP, should I be checking the "common carrier" or "non-common carrier"
>> check box?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Nate Burke]

Not sure what you mean by Hitless, but I've never had a problem with 
things rebooting when switching on/off battery.   We ran into an 
instance at one of our sites where the power company had 2 HV wires 
before the transformer that were bouncing into each other.  Caused 
multiple power issues per second (the fluorescent lights in the building 
were acting like strobes)  The UPS didn't seem to care, and none of the 
equipment rebooted.


On 2/21/2018 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Do they do a hit-less transfer?


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

I've been very happy with APC SmartUPS 750XL units.  Hook up as much or
as little battery as you want.  Internal 18AH or multiple 100+AH (in 24V
strings)  Haven't had a failure other than from an external source
(Water, Mice) through multiple Chicago winters/summers.  I know it's not
as efficient as a pure DC plant, but I'm only putting out ~$70 for the
UPS + batteries and don't have to worry about multiple voltages for
different equipment.

On 2/21/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 
radios at around 10W peak each.


So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Steve Jones]

"Im having problems with emails getting to people quickly. I send an email
to myself and its there immediately, but I send it to my gmail, it takes
1-3 minutes. There is something wrong here that needs fixed, These delays
are just too much"
"I sent some customers emails that they didnt get" "how many customers?"
"350, also Alot of people arent getting emails from me now, and I keep
seeing these emails about delivery fail"

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 2/21/18 9:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
>> "I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for
>> tonight, but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email that
>> I sent her?"
>>
>> "3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I
>> can't find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?"
>>
>> "I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back.  Get it back now!"
>>
>> None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support time,
>> even to tell them "No, go away"
>>
>
>
> Do you actually tell people no though? I do, and it does signal that we
> expect our email users to be self-service and only contact us for issues
> with the tools we give them for self service.
>
> I also never mention we have an email service to any of our customers and
> discourage the ones that do see it thinking we'll be their email support,
> because we won't and I'm upfront about that.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Chuck McCown]

Do they do a hit-less transfer?


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

I've been very happy with APC SmartUPS 750XL units.  Hook up as much or
as little battery as you want.  Internal 18AH or multiple 100+AH (in 24V
strings)  Haven't had a failure other than from an external source
(Water, Mice) through multiple Chicago winters/summers.  I know it's not
as efficient as a pure DC plant, but I'm only putting out ~$70 for the
UPS + batteries and don't have to worry about multiple voltages for
different equipment.

On 2/21/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 
radios at around 10W peak each.


So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Josh Baird]

Reach out to Alpha directly.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:42 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Where will you buy them?
>
>
>
> A google search brings up Anixter where it says;
>
>
>
> This item has been discontinued and is unavailable for purchase. Contact
> an Anixter representative for possible alternatives.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS
>
>
>
> I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we seem to be
> right at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at nearly every site.
>
> On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> There is always this:
>
>
>
> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-
> catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu
>
>
>
> For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.  For
> 150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.
>
> I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.
>
> What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?
>
> I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6
> radios at around 10W peak each.
>
> So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.
>
> Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC licensing common carrier or non-common carrier?

[Sean Heskett]

Non common carrier...unless you like red tape, then go for the common
carrier ;)



On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:11 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> So I'm in the process of applying for the non-exclusive nationwide license
> that we apparently need for e-band links... as a plain ordinary WISP,
> should I be checking the "common carrier" or "non-common carrier" check box?
>

[AFMUG] Waveguide slot alingnment with integra ws to omt

[Steve Jones]

Im having a communication breakdown with SAF. I know the underlying issue
probably has to do with why integra WS is not advertised as a 2+0 system.
There are no alignment markers or pins between the radio interface and the
OMT interface. Im assuming when aligning waveguide slots you have very
little marging for error. Attached are the radio and omt interface, and the
omt antenna interface, the alignment pins are pointed out with
screwdrivers, there are no pins for the radio side and theyre threaded
holes that dont look like they would align.

Anybody have advice on making sure these line up. Or is there a margin
allowed. We had to give up our power margin on this link to get approval
because the pcn was contested, i dont have any spare dbs to give

Re: [AFMUG] Af Digest, Vol 42, Issue 455

[Mathew Howard]

I wonder if that UPS can handle recharging that much battery... to put
things in perspective, we're talking about roughly ten car battery-sized
batteries to get that much capacity.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> What he said.
>
> 270 x 48 = 12960
>
> 12960 watt hours x 10 cents per watt hour = $1296.00
> And that is cheap for batts.
>
> Figure on spending twice that or more for really good batts.
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:48 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Af Digest, Vol 42, Issue 455
>
> Steady/constant load would mean that it's drawing roughly 270 watts all
> day long, or is 270 watts the maximum load and it's running lower for part
> of the day. If you have a constant (or average) load of 270 watts, you're
> going to need about 13000 watt hours of battery for 48 hours of run
> time that's going to be a pretty big pile of batteries.
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Darrick Potter 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, 5500 is incorrect. Sorry just getting my feet wet with this stuff.
>> The load is roughly 270 watts. Chuck, can clarify what you mean by
>> steady/constant?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Darrick Potter
>> DMCI Broadband LLC
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> > From: af-requ...@afmug.com
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Date: 02/21/18 11:52 am
>> > Subject: Af Digest, Vol 42, Issue 455
>> >
>> > Send Af mailing list submissions to
>> >  af@afmug.com
>> >
>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> >  http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af
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>> >  af-requ...@afmug.com
>> >
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>> >
>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> > than "Re: Contents of Af digest..."
>> >
>> >
>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> >1. Re: Batteries for backup power. (Chuck McCown)
>> >2. Re: Batteries for backup power. (Adam Moffett)
>> >3. Re: Pledge drive (Craig Schmaderer)
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:59:43 -0700
>> > From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> > To: 
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
>> > Message-ID: 
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> > Not sure exactly what you mean.
>> > Is your load 5500 watts or do you need 5500 watt hours?
>> >
>> > Let?s start with the load.  Is the load steady/constant?
>> > If so, what is the wattage?
>> > If not, what is the peak wattage?
>> >
>> > From: Darrick Potter
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:56 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a
>> Tripp-Lite APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our current
>> power needs are about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at least two
>> days of run time. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> > Darrick Potter
>> > DMCI Broadband LLC
>> > -- next part --
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>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 15:59:48 +
>> > From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
>> > Message-ID: 
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>> >
>> > I think there's a typo here somewhere.
>> >
>> > If you need to run 5500 watts for 2 days then you need 264,000
>> > watt-hours of battery.
>> > If that's right, then better look at generator and a big fuel tank
>> > instead, and get only enough battery for an hour or so.
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Original Message --
>> > From: "Darrick Potter

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[SmarterBroadband]

If you are talking AC we have been using APC BG500 for small sites.
Lithium-ion battery.  Has ethernet built in, you can remotely switch a
couple of ports and off load some ports if on battery.

Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:49 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios
at around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Josh Baird]

>From Alpha directly.  ~$700 or so.  They are -48VDC.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Where are you sourcing the cordex units? What's the pricing like?
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we seem to be
>> right at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at nearly every site.
>>
>> On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> There is always this:
>>
>> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/
>> standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu
>>
>> For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.
>> For 150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson > > wrote:
>>
>>> I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.
>>>
>>> I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.
>>>
>>> What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?
>>>
>>> I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6
>>> radios at around 10W peak each.
>>>
>>> So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.
>>>
>>> Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC licensing common carrier or non-common carrier?

[Keefe John]

How much does that cost anyways?

Keefe


On 2/21/2018 12:11 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
So I'm in the process of applying for the non-exclusive nationwide 
license that we apparently need for e-band links... as a plain 
ordinary WISP, should I be checking the "common carrier" or 
"non-common carrier" check box?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support

[Justin Wilson]

I have had very little issue with support, but like many other companies these 
days, e-mail through support.cambiumnetworks.com 
 web portal always gets answered very 
quickly.   Other companies prefer e-mail support as well these days.  I have 
filled out support tickets with Cambium and received calls back within the 
hour.  I try to put as much relevant information to minimize the back and forth 
as possible like Adam says.

Last issue I had was some licensing issues.  Had a resolution within an hour of 
filling out the request.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Feb 20, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I've almost never needed them.
> When I did call support one time, I had the same complaint as you.  I was 
> advised by someone higher up the chain to open the ticket online.  That's 
> essentially what the phone answerer is doing, but they're transcribing your 
> words and may be mangling them.  Fill out the online ticket request and you 
> can describe the issue in your own words and get some of the dumb questions 
> out of the way immediately.
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/20/2018 7:31:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support
> 
>> Also. How do I get American support that can solve my issue while on the 
>> phone?  The few times I’ve called in someone takes my info down and just 
>> opens a ticket.
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2018, at 19:26, Matt Hoppes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why does Cambium Support suck so bad?
>>> 
>>> Why do they not have access to my cnMaestro account?
>>> 
>>> Every time I open a ticket I’m asked 10 questions that could all be 
>>> answered if the tech had access to my cnMaestro cloud account.
>>> 
>>> What firmware version?  How is it configured? Etc etc.
>>> 
>>> Instead of getting solutions when I open a ticket I get question after 
>>> question back.
>>> 
>>> I’ve had nothing but issues since embarking on my Cambium adventures a 
>>> month ago.
>>> 
>>> Latest issue is a cnPilot device that was connected and working fine for 
>>> several weeks, now it shows connected and stats but won’t let me change the 
>>> SSID from the cloud.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[SmarterBroadband]

Where will you buy them?

 

A google search brings up Anixter where it says;

 

This item has been discontinued and is unavailable for purchase. Contact an 
Anixter representative for possible alternatives.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

 

I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we seem to be right 
at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at nearly every site.

On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

There is always this: 

 

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu

 

For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.  For 150W 
@ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.

 

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios at 
around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.



 

 

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Jason McKemie]

Where are you sourcing the cordex units? What's the pricing like?

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, George Skorup 
wrote:

> I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we seem to be
> right at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at nearly every site.
>
> On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> There is always this:
>
> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-
> catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu
>
> For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.  For
> 150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.
>>
>> I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.
>>
>> What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?
>>
>> I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6
>> radios at around 10W peak each.
>>
>> So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.
>>
>> Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Dennis Burgess]

99% of the time, it’s a compromised account sending out spam, however, our spam 
system caches those and blocks the offender until we can either change the 
account password or remove the account.  That’s 99% of what we do.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?


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From: "Jeremy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to customers 
years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our in-house emails.  
These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the amount of time that we 
spend dealing with email issues every year.  I would never even consider going 
back to providing email, and we are considering cancelling these ten.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of 
servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go down 
and nothing stops working.  We also backup everything on a daily basis, pricing 
starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the scale increases.   
We offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF and DMARK if you are so 
inclined to do so.  Remote administration and simple migration.  All of our 
pricing is here . 
https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in case 
someone wanted to know or wished us to host it.☺  Just a FYI.

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 
x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they 
would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i 
required $20 a month paid annually.
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate and 
we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5 bucks a box 
per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your email after 
leaving our service. Figured that would get them to go away, but a suprising 
number keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have dialup customers that 
churn cash with zero support each month.

On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk" 
mailto:la...@serverplus.com>> wrote:
We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have a 
grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service.  We used to run our 
own servers and found that we could provide better service at a lower cost (and 
wa less headaches).

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server

For those of you still providing your users with an email account what 
platforms are you using?

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/21/18 10:51, Steve Jones wrote:
"Im having problems with emails getting to people quickly. I send an 
email to myself and its there immediately, but I send it to my gmail, it 
takes 1-3 minutes. There is something wrong here that needs fixed, These 
delays are just too much"


I always refer people to gmail...which is I know is a dick move because 
nobody there is actually going to help, but if gmail said 250 ok we're done.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC licensing common carrier or non-common carrier?

[Mathew Howard]

Thanks! That's about what I thought, but I couldn't find a clear answer
anywhere.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Non common carrier...unless you like red tape, then go for the common
> carrier ;)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:11 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> So I'm in the process of applying for the non-exclusive nationwide
>> license that we apparently need for e-band links... as a plain ordinary
>> WISP, should I be checking the "common carrier" or "non-common carrier"
>> check box?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Chuck McCown]

Paul did,  offlist.  

It is costing him $212/month roughly to keep us alive.  

From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Did Paul ever let us know what the current cost and deficit is?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

 

We used to allow all AnimalFarm sponsors to do exactly this.  Every Friday 
morning.  Perhaps a time to revisit the issue...  Good way to build a kitty for 
Paul.  

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:51 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

 

Chuck could consider allowing vendors to post ad's on a specific day and time 
for a specific fee, but that's a whole other animal to deal with, the plus 
would be he could add like *SPONSORED AD* to the title which we can all filter 
straight to spam if desired 😎

 

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  Its is Overkill, providing your time has no value to chase down why X Mail 
server can’t be delivered to, or why X mail server has undefined bounces or x 
firewall system thinks it’s spam, etc. etc.  

   

  Amazon never goes down, never gets blacklisted.

   

  If you are cool with bulk mailserver drama, then have a go at switching, and 
managing that aspect.   😊  

   

  AES is not the cheapest option no doubt.  This was a choice Chuck and I made 
to make sure it “just worked” because we all have businesses that, hopefully, 
are successful enough to not want to fuss with it.

   

  Paul

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

   

  What is SES?  Amazon?

   

  That seems overkill for a mailing list. 


  On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett  wrote:

SES



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Support of what???

 

What the heck costs that much?

 

Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that. 


On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray  wrote:

   

  Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
support, $1800 not including support. 

   

  On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

Can it really be more than $5

 

How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when 
virtualized?


On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John  wrote:

  Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?

  On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown  
wrote:

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.Please clean out your 
couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to paulm@pdmnet.netPaul, what is 
the current status of our deficit?
  -- 
  Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

   

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/21/18 9:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
"I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for 
tonight, but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email 
that I sent her?"


"3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I 
can't find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?"


"I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back.  Get it back now!"

None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support 
time, even to tell them "No, go away"



Do you actually tell people no though? I do, and it does signal that we 
expect our email users to be self-service and only contact us for issues 
with the tools we give them for self service.


I also never mention we have an email service to any of our customers 
and discourage the ones that do see it thinking we'll be their email 
support, because we won't and I'm upfront about that.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Nate Burke]

I've been very happy with APC SmartUPS 750XL units.  Hook up as much or 
as little battery as you want.  Internal 18AH or multiple 100+AH (in 24V 
strings)  Haven't had a failure other than from an external source 
(Water, Mice) through multiple Chicago winters/summers.  I know it's not 
as efficient as a pure DC plant, but I'm only putting out ~$70 for the 
UPS + batteries and don't have to worry about multiple voltages for 
different equipment.


On 2/21/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios at 
around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

[AFMUG] FCC licensing common carrier or non-common carrier?

[Mathew Howard]

So I'm in the process of applying for the non-exclusive nationwide license
that we apparently need for e-band links... as a plain ordinary WISP,
should I be checking the "common carrier" or "non-common carrier" check box?

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, we are...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

I heard hes on an afmug funded cruise

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Not yet.  

  From: Craig Schmaderer 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:19 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

  Did Paul ever let us know what the current cost and deficit is?



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:51 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive



  We used to allow all AnimalFarm sponsors to do exactly this.  Every Friday 
morning.  Perhaps a time to revisit the issue...  Good way to build a kitty for 
Paul.  



  From: TJ Trout 

  Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:51 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive



  Chuck could consider allowing vendors to post ad's on a specific day and time 
for a specific fee, but that's a whole other animal to deal with, the plus 
would be he could add like *SPONSORED AD* to the title which we can all filter 
straight to spam if desired 😎



  On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Its is Overkill, providing your time has no value to chase down why X Mail 
server can’t be delivered to, or why X mail server has undefined bounces or x 
firewall system thinks it’s spam, etc. etc.  



Amazon never goes down, never gets blacklisted.



If you are cool with bulk mailserver drama, then have a go at switching, 
and managing that aspect.   😊  



AES is not the cheapest option no doubt.  This was a choice Chuck and I 
made to make sure it “just worked” because we all have businesses that, 
hopefully, are successful enough to not want to fuss with it.



Paul







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive



What is SES?  Amazon?



That seems overkill for a mailing list. 


On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  SES



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Matt Hoppes" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

  Support of what???



  What the heck costs that much?



  Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that. 


  On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray  wrote:



Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
support, $1800 not including support. 



On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  Can it really be more than $5



  How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when 
virtualized?


  On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John  wrote:

Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?

On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.Please clean out your 
couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to paulm@pdmnet.netPaul, what is 
the current status of our deficit?
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Chuck McCown]

God bless gmail.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

"I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for tonight, 
but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email that I sent her?" 
 

"3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I can't 
find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?"

"I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back.  Get it back now!"

None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support time, even 
to tell them "No, go away"


On 2/21/2018 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  Username and password is all they need. If you've set your backend up 
correctly, most mail clients will autodiscover all other required settings.

  It really isn't that complicated.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Brandon Yuchasz" mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:53:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server


  My guess is “ I cant get email to work on my new iphone” J





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server



  What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jeremy" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

  We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to customers 
years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our in-house emails.  
These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the amount of time that we 
spend dealing with email issues every year.  I would never even consider going 
back to providing email, and we are considering cancelling these ten.



  On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess  
wrote:

  We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of 
servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go down 
and nothing stops working.  We also backup everything on a daily basis, pricing 
starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the scale increases.   
We offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF and DMARK if you are so 
inclined to do so.  Remote administration and simple migration.  All of our 
pricing is here . 
https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in case 
someone wanted to know or wished us to host it.J  Just a FYI.  



  Dennis Burgess

  www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server



  I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they 
would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i 
required $20 a month paid annually.

  On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate 
and we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5 bucks a 
box per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your email after 
leaving our service. Figured that would get them to go away, but a suprising 
number keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have dialup customers that 
churn cash with zero support each month.



On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk"  wrote:

  We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have a 
grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service.  We used to run our 
own servers and found that we could provide better service at a lower cost (and 
wa less headaches).

  Layne Sisk
  ServerPlus
  801.426.8283, ext 102




 

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server

  For those of you still providing your users with an email account what 
platforms are you using?

Re: [AFMUG] Af Digest, Vol 42, Issue 455

[Chuck McCown]

What he said.  

270 x 48 = 12960

12960 watt hours x 10 cents per watt hour = $1296.00  
And that is cheap for batts.

Figure on spending twice that or more for really good batts.  




From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:48 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af Digest, Vol 42, Issue 455

Steady/constant load would mean that it's drawing roughly 270 watts all day 
long, or is 270 watts the maximum load and it's running lower for part of the 
day. If you have a constant (or average) load of 270 watts, you're going to 
need about 13000 watt hours of battery for 48 hours of run time that's 
going to be a pretty big pile of batteries.


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Darrick Potter  wrote:

  Yeah, 5500 is incorrect. Sorry just getting my feet wet with this stuff. The 
load is roughly 270 watts. Chuck, can clarify what you mean by steady/constant?







  Darrick Potter
  DMCI Broadband LLC
   
  -Original Message-
  > From: af-requ...@afmug.com
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Date: 02/21/18 11:52 am
  > Subject: Af Digest, Vol 42, Issue 455
  >
  > Send Af mailing list submissions to
  >  af@afmug.com
  >
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  >  http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af
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  >
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  >
  > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
  > than "Re: Contents of Af digest..."
  >
  >
  > Today's Topics:
  >
  >1. Re: Batteries for backup power. (Chuck McCown)
  >2. Re: Batteries for backup power. (Adam Moffett)
  >3. Re: Pledge drive (Craig Schmaderer)
  >
  >
  > --
  >
  > Message: 1
  > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:59:43 -0700
  > From: "Chuck McCown" 
  > To: 
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
  > Message-ID: 
  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
  >
  > Not sure exactly what you mean.  
  > Is your load 5500 watts or do you need 5500 watt hours?
  >
  > Let?s start with the load.  Is the load steady/constant?
  > If so, what is the wattage?
  > If not, what is the peak wattage?
  >
  > From: Darrick Potter
  > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:56 AM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a 
Tripp-Lite APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our current 
power needs are about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at least two days 
of run time. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
  >
  > Darrick Potter
  > DMCI Broadband LLC
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  > From: "Adam Moffett" 
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
  > Message-ID: 
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  >
  > I think there's a typo here somewhere.
  >
  > If you need to run 5500 watts for 2 days then you need 264,000
  > watt-hours of battery.
  > If that's right, then better look at generator and a big fuel tank
  > instead, and get only enough battery for an hour or so.
  >
  >
  > -- Original Message --
  > From: "Darrick Potter" 
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: 2/21/2018 10:56:32 AM
  > Subject: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
  >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a
  > >Tripp-Lite APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our
  > >current power needs are about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at
  > >least two days of run time. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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  > >Darrick Potter
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Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Josh Baird]

There is always this:

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu

For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.  For
150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.
>
> I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.
>
> What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?
>
> I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6
> radios at around 10W peak each.
>
> So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.
>
> Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Steve Jones]

rackspace has an excellent self help page. We point every customer that
calls in to it, never deal with them anymore except to reset passwords
through powercode for them

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:33 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> Indeed... the administrative burden isn't caused by running the email
> server itself, it comes from dealing with people that expect you to teach
> them how to use email, and explaining the same thing a hundred different
> times to the same customer (like say, why they can't find all of the
> messages that they deleted three years ago, or why an email won't go
> through when you keep trying to send it to an address that doesn't exist...
> ). For the majority of customers, sure, there's nothing to it, but it only
> takes a tiny percentage to make it very much not worth dealing with.
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
>> My guess is “ I cant get email to work on my new iphone” J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>>
>>
>>
>> What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jeremy" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>>
>> We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to
>> customers years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our
>> in-house emails.  These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the
>> amount of time that we spend dealing with email issues every year.  I would
>> never even consider going back to providing email, and we are considering
>> cancelling these ten.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of
>> servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go
>> down and nothing stops working.  We also backup everything on a daily
>> basis, pricing starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the
>> scale increases.   We offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF
>> and DMARK if you are so inclined to do so.  Remote administration and
>> simple migration.  All of our pricing is here .
>> https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in
>> case someone wanted to know or wished us to host it.J  Just a FYI.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess
>>
>> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> –
>> dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>>
>>
>>
>> I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found
>> they would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing
>> when i required $20 a month paid annually.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate
>> and we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5
>> bucks a box per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your
>> email after leaving our service. Figured that would get them to go away,
>> but a suprising number keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have
>> dialup customers that churn cash with zero support each month.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk"  wrote:
>>
>> We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have a
>> grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service.  We used to run
>> our own servers and found that we could provide better service at a lower
>> cost (and wa less headaches).
>>
>> Layne Sisk
>> ServerPlus
>> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server
>>
>> For those of you still providing your users with an email account what
>> platforms are you using?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] UPS

[Sterling Jacobson]

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios at 
around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] Af Digest, Vol 42, Issue 455

[Mathew Howard]

Steady/constant load would mean that it's drawing roughly 270 watts all day
long, or is 270 watts the maximum load and it's running lower for part of
the day. If you have a constant (or average) load of 270 watts, you're
going to need about 13000 watt hours of battery for 48 hours of run
time that's going to be a pretty big pile of batteries.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Darrick Potter 
wrote:

> Yeah, 5500 is incorrect. Sorry just getting my feet wet with this stuff.
> The load is roughly 270 watts. Chuck, can clarify what you mean by
> steady/constant?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Darrick Potter
> DMCI Broadband LLC
>
> -Original Message-
> > From: af-requ...@afmug.com
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Date: 02/21/18 11:52 am
> > Subject: Af Digest, Vol 42, Issue 455
> >
> > Send Af mailing list submissions to
> >  af@afmug.com
> >
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> >  http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >  af-requ...@afmug.com
> >
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> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Af digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >1. Re: Batteries for backup power. (Chuck McCown)
> >2. Re: Batteries for backup power. (Adam Moffett)
> >3. Re: Pledge drive (Craig Schmaderer)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:59:43 -0700
> > From: "Chuck McCown" 
> > To: 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Not sure exactly what you mean.
> > Is your load 5500 watts or do you need 5500 watt hours?
> >
> > Let?s start with the load.  Is the load steady/constant?
> > If so, what is the wattage?
> > If not, what is the peak wattage?
> >
> > From: Darrick Potter
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:56 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a
> Tripp-Lite APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our current
> power needs are about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at least two
> days of run time. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Darrick Potter
> > DMCI Broadband LLC
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 15:59:48 +
> > From: "Adam Moffett" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> >
> > I think there's a typo here somewhere.
> >
> > If you need to run 5500 watts for 2 days then you need 264,000
> > watt-hours of battery.
> > If that's right, then better look at generator and a big fuel tank
> > instead, and get only enough battery for an hour or so.
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Darrick Potter" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: 2/21/2018 10:56:32 AM
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a
> > >Tripp-Lite APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our
> > >current power needs are about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at
> > >least two days of run time. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > >Darrick Potter
> > >DMCI Broadband LLC
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> > --
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:13:56 +
> > From: Craig Schmaderer 
> > To: "af@afmug.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
> > Me

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Steve Jones]

https://www.rackspace.com/en-us/email-hosting/webmail looks like around 2
bucks now

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Matt  wrote:

> What is the pricing for rackspace email?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>
>> Only 10 minutes?  Consider yourself lucky!  Getting stuck on long email
>> support calls is frustrating, but then I look at the numbers and its still
>> a profitable service for us.  We charge $5/month or $50/annually for e-mail
>> account.  We have customers that have moved away, or switched providers,
>> but keep the e-mail active, we still have some revenue there.
>>
>> We switched from in house to Rackspace several years ago, been happy with
>> them.
>>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does it matter?  If you spent 10 minutes answering an email support
>>> question, you'll never get those 10 minutes back.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/21/2018 10:41:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>>>
>>> What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Nate Burke]

"I just sent an email to my girlfriend with dinner reservations for 
tonight, but now I want to break up with her, can you delete the email 
that I sent her?"


"3 years ago I bought a widget, and now I want to buy it again, but I 
can't find it in my inbox, can you find it for me?"


"I just deleted all my email, but now I want it back.  Get it back now!"

None of these are configuration problems, but will all take support 
time, even to tell them "No, go away"


On 2/21/2018 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Username and password is all they need. If you've set your backend up 
correctly, most mail clients will autodiscover all other required 
settings.


It really isn't that complicated.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Brandon Yuchasz" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:53:30 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

My guess is “ I cant get email to work on my new iphone” J

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Jeremy" mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to 
customers years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from 
our in-house emails.  These 10 customers are not really profitable due 
to the amount of time that we spend dealing with email issues every 
year.  I would never even consider going back to providing email, and 
we are considering cancelling these ten.


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:


We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number 
of servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers 
physically go down and nothing stops working.  We also backup 
everything on a daily basis, pricing starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but 
goes down from there as the scale increases.   We offer secure 
webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF and DMARK if you are so 
inclined to do so.  Remote administration and simple migration.  All 
of our pricing is here 
.https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in 
case someone wanted to know or wished us to host it. JJust a FYI.


Dennis Burgess

www.linktechs.net  – 314-735-0270 x103 
 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] 
*On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found 
they would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started 
fleeing when i required $20 a month paid annually.


On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na
inexpensivish rate and we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we
should, we set it at 5 bucks a box per month with required annual
payment if you want to keep your email after leaving our service.
Figured that would get them to go away, but a suprising number
keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have dialup
customers that churn cash with zero support each month.

On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk" mailto:la...@serverplus.com>> wrote:

We have lots of ISPs that outsource email host

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Steve Jones]

cant use the words "all" and "most" in the same sentence :-)

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Username and password is all they need. If you've set your backend up
> correctly, most mail clients will autodiscover all other required settings.
>
> It really isn't that complicated.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Brandon Yuchasz" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:53:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> My guess is “ I cant get email to work on my new iphone” J
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
>
>
> What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Jeremy" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to
> customers years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our
> in-house emails.  These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the
> amount of time that we spend dealing with email issues every year.  I would
> never even consider going back to providing email, and we are considering
> cancelling these ten.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of
> servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go
> down and nothing stops working.  We also backup everything on a daily
> basis, pricing starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the
> scale increases.   We offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF
> and DMARK if you are so inclined to do so.  Remote administration and
> simple migration.  All of our pricing is here . https://www.linktechs.net/
> productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in case someone wanted to know
> or wished us to host it.J  Just a FYI.
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> –
> dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
>
>
> I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they
> would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i
> required $20 a month paid annually.
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate
> and we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5
> bucks a box per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your
> email after leaving our service. Figured that would get them to go away,
> but a suprising number keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have
> dialup customers that churn cash with zero support each month.
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk"  wrote:
>
> We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have a
> grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service.  We used to run
> our own servers and found that we could provide better service at a lower
> cost (and wa less headaches).
>
> Layne Sisk
> ServerPlus
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> For those of you still providing your users with an email account what
> platforms a

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Steve Jones]

I heard hes on an afmug funded cruise

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Not yet.
>
> *From:* Craig Schmaderer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:19 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>
>
> Did Paul ever let us know what the current cost and deficit is?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>
>
>
> We used to allow all AnimalFarm sponsors to do exactly this.  Every Friday
> morning.  Perhaps a time to revisit the issue...  Good way to build a kitty
> for Paul.
>
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2018 8:51 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>
>
>
> Chuck could consider allowing vendors to post ad's on a specific day and
> time for a specific fee, but that's a whole other animal to deal with, the
> plus would be he could add like *SPONSORED AD* to the title which we can
> all filter straight to spam if desired 😎
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Its is Overkill, providing your time has no value to chase down why X Mail
> server can’t be delivered to, or why X mail server has undefined bounces or
> x firewall system thinks it’s spam, etc. etc.
>
>
>
> Amazon never goes down, never gets blacklisted.
>
>
>
> If you are cool with bulk mailserver drama, then have a go at switching,
> and managing that aspect.   😊
>
>
>
> AES is not the cheapest option no doubt.  This was a choice Chuck and I
> made to make sure it “just worked” because we all have businesses that,
> hopefully, are successful enough to not want to fuss with it.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>
>
>
> What is SES?  Amazon?
>
>
>
> That seems overkill for a mailing list.
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> SES
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]
> [image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>
> Support of what???
>
>
>
> What the heck costs that much?
>
>
>
> Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that.
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>
>
> Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including
> support, $1800 not including support.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> Can it really be more than $5
>
>
>
> How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John  wrote:
>
> Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
>
> On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
>
> I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the
> not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
>
> Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Mathew Howard]

Indeed... the administrative burden isn't caused by running the email
server itself, it comes from dealing with people that expect you to teach
them how to use email, and explaining the same thing a hundred different
times to the same customer (like say, why they can't find all of the
messages that they deleted three years ago, or why an email won't go
through when you keep trying to send it to an address that doesn't exist...
). For the majority of customers, sure, there's nothing to it, but it only
takes a tiny percentage to make it very much not worth dealing with.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> My guess is “ I cant get email to work on my new iphone” J
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
>
>
> What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Jeremy" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to
> customers years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our
> in-house emails.  These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the
> amount of time that we spend dealing with email issues every year.  I would
> never even consider going back to providing email, and we are considering
> cancelling these ten.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of
> servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go
> down and nothing stops working.  We also backup everything on a daily
> basis, pricing starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the
> scale increases.   We offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF
> and DMARK if you are so inclined to do so.  Remote administration and
> simple migration.  All of our pricing is here . https://www.linktechs.net/
> productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in case someone wanted to know
> or wished us to host it.J  Just a FYI.
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> –
> dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
>
>
> I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they
> would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i
> required $20 a month paid annually.
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate
> and we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5
> bucks a box per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your
> email after leaving our service. Figured that would get them to go away,
> but a suprising number keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have
> dialup customers that churn cash with zero support each month.
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk"  wrote:
>
> We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have a
> grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service.  We used to run
> our own servers and found that we could provide better service at a lower
> cost (and wa less headaches).
>
> Layne Sisk
> ServerPlus
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> For those of you still providing your users with an email account what
> platforms are you using?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Matt]

What is the pricing for rackspace email?


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:

> Only 10 minutes?  Consider yourself lucky!  Getting stuck on long email
> support calls is frustrating, but then I look at the numbers and its still
> a profitable service for us.  We charge $5/month or $50/annually for e-mail
> account.  We have customers that have moved away, or switched providers,
> but keep the e-mail active, we still have some revenue there.
>
> We switched from in house to Rackspace several years ago, been happy with
> them.
>
>
> -Rob
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Does it matter?  If you spent 10 minutes answering an email support
>> question, you'll never get those 10 minutes back.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/21/2018 10:41:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>>
>> What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Mike Hammett]

Username and password is all they need. If you've set your backend up 
correctly, most mail clients will autodiscover all other required settings. 

It really isn't that complicated. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Brandon Yuchasz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:53:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 



My guess is “ I cant get email to work on my new iphone” J 




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 


What are people doing to cause an administrative burden? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Jeremy" < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 

We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to customers 
years ago. We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our in-house emails. 
These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the amount of time that we 
spend dealing with email issues every year. I would never even consider going 
back to providing email, and we are considering cancelling these ten. 



On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > 
wrote: 


We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of 
servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go down 
and nothing stops working. We also backup everything on a daily basis, pricing 
starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the scale increases. We 
offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF and DMARK if you are so 
inclined to do so. Remote administration and simple migration. All of our 
pricing is here . 
https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in case 
someone wanted to know or wished us to host it. J Just a FYI. 

Dennis Burgess 
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 

I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they 
would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i 
required $20 a month paid annually. 


On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 





We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate and 
we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5 bucks a box 
per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your email after 
leaving our service. Figured that would get them to go away, but a suprising 
number keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have dialup customers that 
churn cash with zero support each month. 



On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk" < la...@serverplus.com > wrote: 


We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have a 
grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service. We used to run our 
own servers and found that we could provide better service at a lower cost (and 
wa less headaches). 

Layne Sisk 
ServerPlus 
801.426.8283, ext 102 






-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server 

For those of you still providing your users with an email account what 
platforms are you using? 

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Rob Genovesi]

Only 10 minutes?  Consider yourself lucky!  Getting stuck on long email
support calls is frustrating, but then I look at the numbers and its still
a profitable service for us.  We charge $5/month or $50/annually for e-mail
account.  We have customers that have moved away, or switched providers,
but keep the e-mail active, we still have some revenue there.

We switched from in house to Rackspace several years ago, been happy with
them.


-Rob


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Does it matter?  If you spent 10 minutes answering an email support
> question, you'll never get those 10 minutes back.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/21/2018 10:41:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Af Digest, Vol 42, Issue 455

[Darrick Potter]

Yeah, 5500 is incorrect. Sorry just getting my feet wet with this stuff. The 
load is roughly 270 watts. Chuck, can clarify what you mean by steady/constant? 







Darrick Potter
DMCI Broadband LLC
 
-Original Message- 
> From: af-requ...@afmug.com 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 02/21/18 11:52 am 
> Subject: Af Digest, Vol 42, Issue 455 
> 
> Send Af mailing list submissions to
>  af@afmug.com
> 
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>  http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>  af-requ...@afmug.com
> 
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>  af-ow...@afmug.com
> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Af digest..."
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>    1. Re: Batteries for backup power. (Chuck McCown)
>    2. Re: Batteries for backup power. (Adam Moffett)
>    3. Re: Pledge drive (Craig Schmaderer)
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:59:43 -0700
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Not sure exactly what you mean.  
> Is your load 5500 watts or do you need 5500 watt hours?
> 
> Let?s start with the load.  Is the load steady/constant?
> If so, what is the wattage?
> If not, what is the peak wattage?
> 
> From: Darrick Potter 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:56 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a Tripp-Lite 
> APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our current power needs 
> are about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at least two days of run 
> time. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Darrick Potter
> DMCI Broadband LLC
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> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 15:59:48 +
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> 
> I think there's a typo here somewhere.
> 
> If you need to run 5500 watts for 2 days then you need 264,000 
> watt-hours of battery.
> If that's right, then better look at generator and a big fuel tank 
> instead, and get only enough battery for an hour or so.
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Darrick Potter" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/21/2018 10:56:32 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a 
> >Tripp-Lite APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our 
> >current power needs are about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at 
> >least two days of run time. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Darrick Potter
> >DMCI Broadband LLC
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> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:13:56 +
> From: Craig Schmaderer 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
> Message-ID:
>  
> 
>  
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Did Paul ever let us know what the current cost and deficit is?
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:51 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
> 
> We used to allow all AnimalFarm sponsors to do exactly this.  Every Friday 
> morning.  Perhaps a time to revisit the issue...  Good way to build a kitty 
> for Paul.
> 
> From: TJ Trout
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:51 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
> 
> Chuck could consider allowing vendors to post ad's on a specific day and time 
> for a specific fee, but that's a whole other animal to deal with, the plus 
> would be he could add like *SPONSORED AD* to the title which we can all 
> filter straight to spam 

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Chuck McCown]

Not yet.  

From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Did Paul ever let us know what the current cost and deficit is?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

 

We used to allow all AnimalFarm sponsors to do exactly this.  Every Friday 
morning.  Perhaps a time to revisit the issue...  Good way to build a kitty for 
Paul.  

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:51 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

 

Chuck could consider allowing vendors to post ad's on a specific day and time 
for a specific fee, but that's a whole other animal to deal with, the plus 
would be he could add like *SPONSORED AD* to the title which we can all filter 
straight to spam if desired 😎

 

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  Its is Overkill, providing your time has no value to chase down why X Mail 
server can’t be delivered to, or why X mail server has undefined bounces or x 
firewall system thinks it’s spam, etc. etc.  

   

  Amazon never goes down, never gets blacklisted.

   

  If you are cool with bulk mailserver drama, then have a go at switching, and 
managing that aspect.   😊  

   

  AES is not the cheapest option no doubt.  This was a choice Chuck and I made 
to make sure it “just worked” because we all have businesses that, hopefully, 
are successful enough to not want to fuss with it.

   

  Paul

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

   

  What is SES?  Amazon?

   

  That seems overkill for a mailing list. 


  On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett  wrote:

SES



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Support of what???

 

What the heck costs that much?

 

Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that. 


On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray  wrote:

   

  Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
support, $1800 not including support. 

   

  On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

Can it really be more than $5

 

How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when 
virtualized?


On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John  wrote:

  Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?

  On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown  
wrote:

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.Please clean out your 
couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to paulm@pdmnet.netPaul, what is 
the current status of our deficit?
  -- 
  Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

   

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Brandon Yuchasz]

My guess is “ I cant get email to work on my new iphone” J

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

 

What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Jeremy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to customers 
years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our in-house emails.  
These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the amount of time that we 
spend dealing with email issues every year.  I would never even consider going 
back to providing email, and we are considering cancelling these ten.

 

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:

We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of 
servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go down 
and nothing stops working.  We also backup everything on a daily basis, pricing 
starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the scale increases.   
We offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF and DMARK if you are so 
inclined to do so.  Remote administration and simple migration.  All of our 
pricing is here . 
https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in case 
someone wanted to know or wished us to host it.J  Just a FYI.  

 

Dennis Burgess

www.linktechs.net   – 314-735-0270 x103 
  – dmburg...@linktechs.net 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

 

I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they 
would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i 
required $20 a month paid annually.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate and 
we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5 bucks a box 
per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your email after 
leaving our service. Figured that would get them to go away, but a suprising 
number keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have dialup customers that 
churn cash with zero support each month.

 

On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk"  wrote:

We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have a 
grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service.  We used to run our 
own servers and found that we could provide better service at a lower cost (and 
wa less headaches).

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102  




   

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server

For those of you still providing your users with an email account what 
platforms are you using?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Adam Moffett]

Does it matter?  If you spent 10 minutes answering an email support 
question, you'll never get those 10 minutes back.




-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/21/2018 10:41:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server


What are people doing to cause an administrative burden?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Jeremy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to 
customers years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our 
in-house emails.  These 10 customers are not really profitable due to 
the amount of time that we spend dealing with email issues every year.  
I would never even consider going back to providing email, and we are 
considering cancelling these ten.


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:
We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number 
of servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers 
physically go down and nothing stops working.  We also backup 
everything on a daily basis, pricing starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but 
goes down from there as the scale increases.   We offer secure 
webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF and DMARK if you are so 
inclined to do so.  Remote administration and simple migration.  All 
of our pricing is here 
.https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in 
case someone wanted to know or wished us to host it.J  Just a FYI.




Dennis Burgess

www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103  – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server



I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found 
they would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started 
fleeing when i required $20 a month paid annually.


On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:


We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish 
rate and we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set 
it at 5 bucks a box per month with required annual payment if you 
want to keep your email after leaving our service. Figured that would 
get them to go away, but a suprising number keep it. Its pure cash, 
like people who still have dialup customers that churn cash with zero 
support each month.




On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk"  wrote:

We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have 
a grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service.  We 
used to run our own servers and found that we could provide better 
service at a lower cost (and wa less headaches).


Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102 






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server

For those of you still providing your users with an email account 
what platforms are you using?

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Craig Schmaderer]

Did Paul ever let us know what the current cost and deficit is?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

We used to allow all AnimalFarm sponsors to do exactly this.  Every Friday 
morning.  Perhaps a time to revisit the issue...  Good way to build a kitty for 
Paul.

From: TJ Trout
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Chuck could consider allowing vendors to post ad's on a specific day and time 
for a specific fee, but that's a whole other animal to deal with, the plus 
would be he could add like *SPONSORED AD* to the title which we can all filter 
straight to spam if desired 😎

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Its is Overkill, providing your time has no value to chase down why X Mail 
server can’t be delivered to, or why X mail server has undefined bounces or x 
firewall system thinks it’s spam, etc. etc.

Amazon never goes down, never gets blacklisted.

If you are cool with bulk mailserver drama, then have a go at switching, and 
managing that aspect.   😊

AES is not the cheapest option no doubt.  This was a choice Chuck and I made to 
make sure it “just worked” because we all have businesses that, hopefully, are 
successful enough to not want to fuss with it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

What is SES?  Amazon?

That seems overkill for a mailing list.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
SES


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
Midwest Internet Exchange
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
Support of what???

What the heck costs that much?

Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
support, $1800 not including support.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Can it really be more than $5

How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John 
mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:
Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.

Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to
pa...@pdmnet.net

Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?


--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.

[Adam Moffett]

I think there's a typo here somewhere.

If you need to run 5500 watts for 2 days then you need 264,000 
watt-hours of battery.
If that's right, then better look at generator and a big fuel tank 
instead, and get only enough battery for an hour or so.



-- Original Message --
From: "Darrick Potter" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/21/2018 10:56:32 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.






Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a 
Tripp-Lite APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our 
current power needs are about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at 
least two days of run time. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.


Darrick Potter
DMCI Broadband LLC

Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.

[Chuck McCown]

Not sure exactly what you mean.  
Is your load 5500 watts or do you need 5500 watt hours?

Let’s start with the load.  Is the load steady/constant?
If so, what is the wattage?
If not, what is the peak wattage?

From: Darrick Potter 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.





Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a Tripp-Lite 
APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our current power needs are 
about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at least two days of run time. Any 
insight would be greatly appreciated.

Darrick Potter
DMCI Broadband LLC

Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.

[Dave]

At that expense I would reduce my UPS size and install a small generator.


On 02/21/2018 09:56 AM, Darrick Potter wrote:




Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a 
Tripp-Lite APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our 
current power needs are about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like 
at least two days of run time. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.


Darrick Potter
DMCI Broadband LLC


--

[AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.

[Darrick Potter]

Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a Tripp-Lite 
APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our current power needs are 
about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at least two days of run time. Any 
insight would be greatly appreciated. 

Darrick Potter 
DMCI Broadband LLC

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Mike Hammett]

What are people doing to cause an administrative burden? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:36:15 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 


We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to customers 
years ago. We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our in-house emails. 
These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the amount of time that we 
spend dealing with email issues every year. I would never even consider going 
back to providing email, and we are considering cancelling these ten. 


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > 
wrote: 





We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of 
servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go down 
and nothing stops working. We also backup everything on a daily basis, pricing 
starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the scale increases. We 
offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF and DMARK if you are so 
inclined to do so. Remote administration and simple migration. All of our 
pricing is here . 
https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in case 
someone wanted to know or wished us to host it. J Just a FYI. 

Dennis Burgess 
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server 

I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they 
would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i 
required $20 a month paid annually. 


On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 





We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate and 
we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5 bucks a box 
per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your email after 
leaving our service. Figured that would get them to go away, but a suprising 
number keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have dialup customers that 
churn cash with zero support each month. 



On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk" < la...@serverplus.com > wrote: 


We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have a 
grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service. We used to run our 
own servers and found that we could provide better service at a lower cost (and 
wa less headaches). 

Layne Sisk 
ServerPlus 
801.426.8283, ext 102 






-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server 

For those of you still providing your users with an email account what 
platforms are you using? 

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Jeremy]

We use Zimbra (and I love it!), but gave up on providing emails to
customers years ago.  We have a few (maybe 10) remaining aside from our
in-house emails.  These 10 customers are not really profitable due to the
amount of time that we spend dealing with email issues every year.  I would
never even consider going back to providing email, and we are considering
cancelling these ten.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of
> servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go
> down and nothing stops working.  We also backup everything on a daily
> basis, pricing starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the
> scale increases.   We offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF
> and DMARK if you are so inclined to do so.  Remote administration and
> simple migration.  All of our pricing is here . https://www.linktechs.net/
> productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in case someone wanted to know
> or wished us to host it.J  Just a FYI.
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> –
> dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
>
>
> I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they
> would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i
> required $20 a month paid annually.
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate
> and we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5
> bucks a box per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your
> email after leaving our service. Figured that would get them to go away,
> but a suprising number keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have
> dialup customers that churn cash with zero support each month.
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk"  wrote:
>
> We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have a
> grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service.  We used to run
> our own servers and found that we could provide better service at a lower
> cost (and wa less headaches).
>
> Layne Sisk
> ServerPlus
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server
>
> For those of you still providing your users with an email account what
> platforms are you using?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rackinjector "Cambium Style" sync over power cards available in quantity.

[Dave]

Who makes the pick and place machine?


On 02/20/2018 08:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
We've been shipping the RackInjector cards which do the new "Cambium 
Style" sync over power for a few weeks now. This is the style of sync 
over power which is required by the 450m and can be used by the 450i.


We've been selling them in stealth mode since we were hand-placing 
more than a few components on each injector card.  This was a time 
consuming process and we really didn't want a surge of orders until 
this was rectified. Last week the additional feeders for our Pick and 
Place machine arrived and now everything is being machine-placed, 
which is much faster.  So I guess it's time to be a bit more vocal 
about the availability of these.


In other words, if you've been waiting for me to announce that these 
are available on the list, your wait is over. Like everything else, 
they're available on the store, either as a option during a 
RackInjector purchase, or individually to add to an existing rackinjector.


--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 





--

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

[Harold Bledsoe]

5GHz has electrical downtilt.

Thanks,
-Hal

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 6:20 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Btw Hal, do the units have electrical downtilt?
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
> hbledso...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 5:53 PM
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>
> Imperialist!
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 3:51 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yes, but is it tested to the more rigorous –40F?
>>
>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>> It's tested to -40C.  If that makes you feel better.  :-)
>>
>> -Hal
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 2:10 PM Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Speed and price look extremely impressive... but it's not rated to
>>> operate in cold weather (only down to -30 Celsius) therefore not an option
>>> for us in why-are-you-living-there central Canada.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Stefan Englhardt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Still everything on plain 802.11 or is tdma done?





>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mathew Howard
 *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 20. Februar 2018 19:45
 *An:* af 
 *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector



 Pricing isn't bad at all, the AP is only about $1k, which is actually
 cheaper than a lot of 5ghz systems when you consider that it covers 360
 degrees, and there aren't any other antennas involved. The clients are a
 bit pricey though... ranging from around $300-$600... realistically,
 probably around $500 for most customers.

 I have one sitting here ready to go up as soon as the weather is good
 enough that I can get myself to climb up a tower... one of our service
 techs lives close enough to the tower that I'm planning on putting it on to
 work at 60ghz, so that should be a good test.

>>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM,  wrote:

>>> Nice.  How does the price compare to other PMP solutions?



 *From:* Mathew Howard

 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:25 AM

 *To:* af

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector



 It is dual frequency. It's got a built in 5ghz omni as well as the
 three 60ghz radio... it actually has a 2.4ghz radio in there to, although I
 can't imagine actually using that.

 On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM,  wrote:

 Please forgive me for being ignorant about this product, but is it a
 dual freq with fail over to 5.8GHz during 60 GHz fades/outages or do you
 put up the 60 GHz and hope for the best?



 *From:* Gino A. Villarini

 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:29 AM

 *To:*af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector



 2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector



 *From: *Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
 *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
 *Date: *Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM
 *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector



 What's the beamwidth on this?

 On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini 
 wrote:





 *Gino A. Villarini*

 President

 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

 [image: image001.png]



 *Gino A. Villarini*

 President

 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

 [image: image001.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

[Dennis Burgess]

We host quite a few mailboxes, can’t tell you how many, it’s a number of 
servers in redundant configuration, we can have two servers physically go down 
and nothing stops working.  We also backup everything on a daily basis, pricing 
starts at 2 bucks a mailbox but goes down from there as the scale increases.   
We offer secure webmail, secure POP/IMAP as well as SPF and DMARK if you are so 
inclined to do so.  Remote administration and simple migration.  All of our 
pricing is here . 
https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47 in case 
someone wanted to know or wished us to host it.☺  Just a FYI.

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Email Server

I tried the same thing. I thought nobody would pay that much. I found they 
would happily do it. I kept raising it. They finally started fleeing when i 
required $20 a month paid annually.
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 7:22 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We went to rackspace, never turned back, we are ona na inexpensivish rate and 
we dont pimp the isp email. Though maybe we should, we set it at 5 bucks a box 
per month with required annual payment if you want to keep your email after 
leaving our service. Figured that would get them to go away, but a suprising 
number keep it. Its pure cash, like people who still have dialup customers that 
churn cash with zero support each month.

On Feb 20, 2018 5:32 PM, "Layne Sisk" 
mailto:la...@serverplus.com>> wrote:
We have lots of ISPs that outsource email hosting to us, but we have a 
grandfathered deal and use BlueTie to provide the service.  We used to run our 
own servers and found that we could provide better service at a lower cost (and 
wa less headaches).

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102






-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Email Server

For those of you still providing your users with an email account what 
platforms are you using?