Re: [AFMUG] OT - which religion should I join (was which gun toby)...

[Jeremy]

ze.  I have it (unloaded and trigger locked) in my survival pack
>>> that
>>> >> stays in my airplane incase of an emergency landing in the back
>>> country ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >> i'm also a Progressive Libtard (registered independent) that thinks we
>>> >> should ban assault rifles and large magazines just as we have banned
>>> hand
>>> >> grenades, bombs, rocket launchers and other military style/grade
>>> weapons.
>>> >> I've had my Hunter's safety card since I was 12 and I also went to
>>> high
>>> >> school next to Columbine in CO.  My younger sister had friends who
>>> died in
>>> >> the attack.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2 cents.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Sean
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net
>>> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ja...@litewire.net');>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me.  Mostly the diamond
>>> >>> pattern just didn’t feel good in my hands.  I just did a bit of
>>> looking now
>>> >>> though and it looks like there are some options for fixing that.  I
>>> might
>>> >>> have to look into them again.  I really like the Sig P938 so far
>>> though.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I missed your comment about Glock fanboys.  Shocking we haven’t had
>>> any
>>> >>> so far but the thread devolved into politics from a simple question
>>> of what
>>> >>> brand/model of pistol we like.  For the record, I’ve yet to meet a
>>> Glock
>>> >>> that I’d want to own.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
>>> Reynolds
>>> >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM
>>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to
>>> buy
>>> >>> and why
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> XDS has replaceable grip backstraps.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net
>>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ja...@litewire.net');>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sig P938 is 9mm and almost exactly the same size as a P238.  I’ve got
>>> >>> the SAS model (anti snag).  I’ve also got a S M Shield in 9mm
>>> and have
>>> >>> looked at the Springfield XDS many times.  I just can’t get over the
>>> fact
>>> >>> that I don’t like the grips on the XDS.  Prime reason to go with the
>>> XDS is
>>> >>> that you can get it in 45ACP.  There are a lot of cheaper brands out
>>> there
>>> >>> too.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you have a place where you can do it, go and test fire all the
>>> >>> different options.  My father-in-law bought a Glock 36 because
>>> several
>>> >>> people told him how great they were.  The problem is that it doesn’t
>>> fit
>>> >>> his hand well at all and the trigger digs into his finger so he
>>> shoots
>>> >>> terrible with it.  His accuracy is greatly improved using my M
>>> Shield.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> No matter what you get though.  A major key to carrying it safely is
>>> >>> practice and being comfortable with it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Simon
>>> >>> Westlake
>>> >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 10:09 AM
>>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to
>>> buy
>>> >&g

Re: [AFMUG] Recommended platform for voip service platform?

[Jeremy]

I have really liked Netsapiens.  I don't have experience with anything else
though.  I mostly chose it over ipiphony for the ability to host it
in-house.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> When you say intgrate do you mean auto import of billing data or can you
> provision from within power code?
>
> Craig schmaderer
> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 5:09 AM -0800, "Jon Bruce" <
> jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Ipifony, plus they integrate with Powercode
>
> On 12/7/2015 7:17 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> We loved ipfony.
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015, 4:48 AM Eric Kuhnke < 
> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> that doesn't answer the question, what capacity of system are you looking
>> for?
>>
>> resale to end users or to other smaller voip providers?
>>
>> (eg: the relationship voxbeam might have to a company that sells enduser
>> business PBX systems)
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Gino Villarini < 
>> ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> for us to do voip resale
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Eric Kuhnke < 
>>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 how many active extensions, DIDs, trunks and simultaneous calls are we
 talking about?

 On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Gino Villarini < 
 ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What would be the recommended choice for business class voip service
> platform?
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Jeremy]

Not since 1968

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Can you legally own hand grenades?
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 9:15 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
> and why
>
> you do if you want to conceal it... :P
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> You don’t need a CC to carry a Springfield 30-06
>>
>> *From:* Paul McCall 
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 9:03 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and
>> why
>>
>>
>> I am getting my CC permit (Florida) in a week or so.  I took an
>> absolutely excellent class from the main trainer at the Brevard county
>> sheriff’s office.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, I am looking for an excellent CC gun to use, as my long barrel Colt
>> 38 is not a good fit for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am certain that this group probably has a LOT of expertise (and many
>> opinions) on THE gun to use.
>>
>>
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 office
>>
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!!

[Jeremy]

Yeah, it was pretty basic when I saw it at AF.  He talked about it like a
blank slate.  He will add whatever functionality you want to it.  He builds
it for each personor at least that was how it sounded to me.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
wrote:

> I think it is still pretty early on.
>
> On 12/4/2015 6:22 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> So I guess it does that...lol.  I wasn't really expecting it to be like
> that.
>
> It's not very baked ?  or am I missing something?
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> I meant for the admin side?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <
>> <fai...@snappytelecom.net>fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Just guessing
>>>
>>> Drop down on top right, select signup/create account !
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" < <ch...@shelbybb.com>ch...@shelbybb.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Friday, December 4, 2015 4:25:07 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!!
>>>
>>> Anyone know how to login to his demo?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Simon Westlake < <simon@sonar.software>
>>> simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://github.com/spencerlambert/wisp-central-control
>>>>
>>>> On 12/4/2015 10:08 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Isn't Spencer Lambert's web front-end free?  Last time I saw him at
>>>> Animal Farm he was touting it and said he would help with setup and
>>>> customization at a flat rate of $100/hr.  He is located in Utah, also.  If
>>>> you want something cheap or free that may be an option.  It would probably
>>>> be worth contacting him.  I recommend Powercode.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Craig Schmaderer <
>>>> <cr...@skywaveconnect.com>cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been looking at <https://www.whmcs.com/>https://www.whmcs.com/
>>>>> I have a friend that uses it for his ventrillo voice business and it
>>>>> does auto billing and ticketing and is cheap.  I think you can get a 
>>>>> hosted
>>>>> solution if you don't want to install it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig schmaderer
>>>>> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:41 AM -0800, "Brett A Mansfield" <
>>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com>li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what I've always said about quality, cheap and fast.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can only pick two. You will never have all three.
>>>>>
>>>>> For this I need fast and quality. Cheap is relative in this case. I
>>>>> don't have a lot of customers so the $200/mo min that visp requires is
>>>>> about $100-150 too much for me. I'm fine with a reasonable one time fee,
>>>>> but it must be reasonable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to use waveapps to just invoice and then customers could pay
>>>>> using the invoice. But if they didn't get the email or lost it, they
>>>>> couldn't pay their bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate everyone's input on this. I think I'm going with platypus
>>>>> and pay someone to set it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like powercode, I just cannot justify the initial cost for my small
>>>>> size operation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Chris Fabien < <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>>>> ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good, cheap,  and fast? You know what they say about that.
>>>>>
>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!!

[Jeremy]

He also said that he could add functionality to your existing platform
(Powercode in my case), using html code, say in the 'Notes' section of each
account and such.

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, it was pretty basic when I saw it at AF.  He talked about it like a
> blank slate.  He will add whatever functionality you want to it.  He builds
> it for each personor at least that was how it sounded to me.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
> wrote:
>
>> I think it is still pretty early on.
>>
>> On 12/4/2015 6:22 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> So I guess it does that...lol.  I wasn't really expecting it to be like
>> that.
>>
>> It's not very baked ?  or am I missing something?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I meant for the admin side?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <
>>> <fai...@snappytelecom.net>fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just guessing
>>>>
>>>> Drop down on top right, select signup/create account !
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>>
>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" < <ch...@shelbybb.com>ch...@shelbybb.com>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Friday, December 4, 2015 4:25:07 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!!
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know how to login to his demo?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Simon Westlake <
>>>> <simon@sonar.software>simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/spencerlambert/wisp-central-control
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/2015 10:08 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't Spencer Lambert's web front-end free?  Last time I saw him at
>>>>> Animal Farm he was touting it and said he would help with setup and
>>>>> customization at a flat rate of $100/hr.  He is located in Utah, also.  If
>>>>> you want something cheap or free that may be an option.  It would probably
>>>>> be worth contacting him.  I recommend Powercode.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Craig Schmaderer <
>>>>> <cr...@skywaveconnect.com>cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been looking at <https://www.whmcs.com/>https://www.whmcs.com/
>>>>>> I have a friend that uses it for his ventrillo voice business and it
>>>>>> does auto billing and ticketing and is cheap.  I think you can get a 
>>>>>> hosted
>>>>>> solution if you don't want to install it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig schmaderer
>>>>>> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:41 AM -0800, "Brett A Mansfield" <
>>>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com>li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is what I've always said about quality, cheap and fast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can only pick two. You will never have all three.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For this I need fast and quality. Cheap is relative in this case. I
>>>>>> don't have a lot of customers so the $200/mo min that visp requires is
>>>>>> about $100-150 too much for me. I'm fine with a reasonable one time fee,
>>>>>> but it must be reasonable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to use waveapps to just invoice and then customers could pay
>>>>>> using the invoice. But if they didn't get the email or lost it, they
>>>>>> couldn't pay their bill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate everyone's input 

Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!!

[Jeremy]

Isn't Spencer Lambert's web front-end free?  Last time I saw him at Animal
Farm he was touting it and said he would help with setup and customization
at a flat rate of $100/hr.  He is located in Utah, also.  If you want
something cheap or free that may be an option.  It would probably be worth
contacting him.  I recommend Powercode.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> I've been looking at https://www.whmcs.com/
> I have a friend that uses it for his ventrillo voice business and it does
> auto billing and ticketing and is cheap.  I think you can get a hosted
> solution if you don't want to install it.
>
> Craig schmaderer
> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:41 AM -0800, "Brett A Mansfield" <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Here is what I've always said about quality, cheap and fast.
>
> You can only pick two. You will never have all three.
>
> For this I need fast and quality. Cheap is relative in this case. I don't
> have a lot of customers so the $200/mo min that visp requires is about
> $100-150 too much for me. I'm fine with a reasonable one time fee, but it
> must be reasonable.
>
> I used to use waveapps to just invoice and then customers could pay using
> the invoice. But if they didn't get the email or lost it, they couldn't pay
> their bill.
>
> I appreciate everyone's input on this. I think I'm going with platypus and
> pay someone to set it up.
>
> I like powercode, I just cannot justify the initial cost for my small size
> operation.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
> Good, cheap,  and fast? You know what they say about that.
>
> We are reasonably happy with Powercode. Few gripes but it has never double
> or triple charged our customers.
> On Dec 4, 2015 1:35 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a good billing solution that is cheap and I can have up
>> in running immediately.
>>
>> I've had far too many issues with my current billing system.
>>
>> I need something turnkey and cheap. My WISP is a fairly small operation.
>>
>> I am not willing to pay per sub, especially if there is a minimum like
>> visp. I don't want to buy any new hardware. I looked at platypus, but it
>> cannot be deployed easily or quickly. I looked at powercode, but I don't
>> want to buy any new hardware.
>>
>> Is there anything out there that might fit my needs? Or should I just go
>> back to manual invoicing with quickbooks?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF2 question

[Jeremy]

It would allow back-to-back frequency reuse.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> What does the GPS do for a 2.4GHz point to point ?  I have not played with
> OS so I have no idea.   Thanks in advance.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday

[Jeremy]

Double speed permanently or for how long?

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> double speed on the basic plan (7/1 to 14/2) $59.95 plus free install
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> What was the promo?
>> On Dec 1, 2015 8:11 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>>
>>> anyone ran any cybermonday sales?
>>>
>>> we did a Facebook promo, 90 new sales
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday

[Jeremy]

Next year!

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Good idea.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “Messages can be sent by text or an inside pitch” – Baseball Wisdom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2015 8:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday
>
>
>
> What was the promo?
>
> On Dec 1, 2015 8:11 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
> anyone ran any cybermonday sales?
>
>
>
> we did a Facebook promo, 90 new sales
>

Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I realize that Comcast has the capability.  The thing is, they don't
provide service to about 40% of the county.  That doesn't stop them from
claiming that they do though.  They claim 1Gbps at my house and the entire
neighborhood was never wired for cable.  Census blocks blah blah, but WISPs
have always been expected to provide a more accurate map.  The Utah
Broadband Mapping program director said it was "too difficult" for them to
provide an accurate map.  I would think that having physical lines in the
ground would be much easier to map than RF propagation mapsbut what do
I know?  Hey, on the bright side, if they have 1Gbps on the mountaintop
then I guess that means they will never get funding for rural development.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
wrote:

> For the last round of mapping Comcast reported the ability to deliver
> download of 100 meg up to 1 gig, with DOCSIS 3.1 this is very possible.
>
>
>
> For Illinois if you want to see a listing of who is serving a spot on the
> map you can still use this site
> http://www.broadbandillinois.org/maps/index.html#find-me
>
>
>
> You can search by address or coordinates, it will take a while to run the
> query bet then you will get the listing of carriers, on the right you can
> click on “see expanded results and you will see a map with that particular
> block highlighted along with the results.
>
>
>
> Also you can download GeoPDF maps for each carrier in the state from this
> page http://www.broadbandillinois.org/maps/Carrier-Maps.html, just above
> all the carrier listings there is a link to download the GeoPDF plugin for
> adobe which gives you a lot of features and layer control of these PDF maps.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS
>
>
>
> Well Chatham is I think around 10k population.  Probably not the same
> census block.  Cwlp is the Springfield Municipal power/water/electric that
> also happens to have fiber.
>
> They've got fiber into Springnet/EOS's data center on the north side of
> town, but that's as far south as it goes afaik.
>
> Not saying Brian's assessment is wrong, but it will be eye opening if the
> mapping is accurate to coverage for that particular situation.
>
> ___
>
> Mangled by my iPhone.
>
> ___
>
>
>
> Tyler Treat
>
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
>
> ___
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> wrote:
>
> Using the census block method was as close as we were going to get to the
> carrier disclosing their network capabilities without actually disclosing
> their full plant details. It’s not perfect but it is a whole lot better
> than nothing. The method and the national broadband map did so much to
> allow the WISP industry to play a defensive game in Washington with regards
> to USF and the new CAF rules. If it were not for the mapping program so
> many WISP’s would have been overbuilt by USF/CAF funded networks where they
> had already built adequate unsubsidized systems. WISPA did a lot of
> fighting in DC on the industry behalf and these maps/data were a huge part
> of being able to prove where these funds should not go.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS
>
>
>
> Like Brian Webster explained earlier:  If they service a road touching
> that census block, then then entire census block is "covered".  That's even
> if it includes uninhabited mountaintop peaks.
>
> It is not particularly accurate, but I'm sure they had their reasons for
> doing it that way.
>
>
> On 11/28/2015 7:59 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>
> Comcast claims the same thing for the entire state of Utah...including on
> mountaintop peaks.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Tyler Treat <tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah I'm not sure how CWLP claims gigabit in the entirety of Chatham.
>
> ___
>
> Mangled by my iPhone.
>
> ___
>
> Tyler Treat
>
> Corn Belt 

Re: [AFMUG] Work boots

[Jeremy]

I have been wearing Danner boots for the last year, and loved them.
Looking to get a new pair for XMAS (are you listening Santa??)

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> No, I always stuck with Caterpillar for years… last pair I bought (last
> year) took about a week though to work in .. previous pair never seemed to
> need breaking in (my feet were never ever sore wearing them)
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:47 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Work boots
>
>
>
> For years I have worn Caterpillar or Wolverine boots.  Today my wife got
> me a pair of Chinook Tarantulas ...let's see how they feel after a few
> days... Right know they are comfortable but stiff.  My get some Dr Scholls
> inserts later... My feet have been aching so hope these help.   Has anyone
> had any of these before?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS

[Jeremy]

Comcast claims the same thing for the entire state of Utah...including on
mountaintop peaks.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Tyler Treat 
wrote:

> Yeah I'm not sure how CWLP claims gigabit in the entirety of Chatham.
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> These maps seem pretty inaccurate in my area.  Specifically the DSL and
> fiber coverage.  It doesn't even show my fiber network, but lists one where
> one does not exist.  Also, it shows DSL reaching far beyond where it is
> offered.
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> www.broadbandmap.gov
>>
>> At the top of the map you can turn different technologies on and off. The
>> underlying map is not the greatest for visual references once zoomed in but
>> it should save you a lot of work.
>>
>> http://broadbandnow.com/Florida analysis of the state
>>
>> https://www.fcc.gov/maps/connect-compete-home-broadband-coverage-map
>> this map from the FCC is a little more useable but these are only the
>> carrier who participate in the connect to compete program.
>>
>>
>> http://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/fcc.connect2compete/page.html#10/28.5417/-81.8303
>> full screen version of the map above
>>
>> http://wireless-isp.info/FL.html A listing of WISP's in Florida, not
>> real accurate
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 8:32 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS
>>
>> The issue is we found the WISP map and where all the coverage is.  The
>> areas we are looking at do not have coverage or anyone nearby really.
>> However I'm pretty sure they have DSL there.  So its a bit of a scouting
>> party looking for somewhere to start up where things are needed to provide
>> a service to people or improve service in an area where DSL is really bad.
>> We also don't want to step on anyone's toes and respect others territory.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tyler Treat" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:48:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS
>>
>> Sign me up.  What I'd give for some sustainable green field areas..
>>
>> ___
>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>> ___
>> Tyler Treat
>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
>> ___
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 25, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Steve  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Any Florida WISPS out there?  Around the Naples area?  Just curious
>> because we have been looking for a startup area but it looks pretty covered
>> by Cable/DSL.  But so much of it is spread out and treed I imagine its a
>> difficult gig to get started down there.  Any success stories? What sort of
>> hardware are you using etc?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS

[Jeremy]

http://floridabroadband.com/

...not sure if Paul covers Naples or not.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Steve  wrote:

>
> Any Florida WISPS out there?  Around the Naples area?  Just curious
> because we have been looking for a startup area but it looks pretty covered
> by Cable/DSL.  But so much of it is spread out and treed I imagine its a
> difficult gig to get started down there.  Any success stories? What sort of
> hardware are you using etc?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a Ticketing System

[Jeremy]

SugarCRM?  I have no ideas about their pricing model.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I think Dennis meant http://www.librenms.org/
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>> Last update was 2002?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:37 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a Ticketing System
>>
>> http://liberum.org/
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>> den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 x103 - www.linktechs.net
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 6:10 PM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for a Ticketing System
>>
>> This is for a personal project, but I think most of the things are the
>> same
>> that a WISP would use.  I'm looking for a Ticketing/Asset tracking
>> application for building management.  Something where people could submit
>> tickets, like 'The Door to room 200 won't close correctly'  that can be
>> tracked, logged and closed.  Also managing things like Emergency lighting
>> battery replacement, so be able to query something like 'show all
>> Emergency
>> lights with batteries older than 3 years'
>>
>> Money/accounting side of things is not really important, unless it's like
>> to
>> associate a cost to closing out a ticket.  Like in the example above 'Room
>> 200 needed a new door handle, $12.95 at Home Depot'
>>
>> I really have no idea what's out there for ticketing/management these
>> days,
>> so places to start looking would be helpful.  Or is there a better way to
>> manage/control a building?
>>
>> The Person I'm replacing (at my church) currently keeps all these things
>> in
>> his head, and I think it's going to be a pretty rough transition.  So as
>> long as there is a paradigm shift happening, getting a sustainable system
>> in
>> place for tracking and management I think will really help going forward.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Powercode dead?? No answer

[Jeremy]

Anyone tried to call Powercode lately?  Both sales and support immediately
fail "call transfer failed - no answer" - of course I have an outage an
need assistance.  No option to transfer to after hours support...nothing.
Just call transfer failed.

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode dead?? No answer

[Jeremy]

They fixed it.  Thanks Josh!

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:58 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Their requests site was down too, but someone is there, they have been
> poking around on an email fetching issue on our system today
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> I called someone's cell phone and made them aware of it.  Their phone
>> application had just crashed and he's on it "now".
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So how do you explain your earlier response?
>>>
>>> Tushar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Josh so are you on support staff of power code?
>>>>
>>>> Tushar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Try again in a minute...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone tried to call Powercode lately?  Both sales and support
>>>>> immediately fail "call transfer failed - no answer" - of course I have an
>>>>> outage an need assistance.  No option to transfer to after hours
>>>>> support...nothing.  Just call transfer failed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode dead?? No answer

[Jeremy]

I was mostly worried that they had been attacked by terrorists.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It could also be that simon eliminated the competition with his mad
> quickscope skillz from his COD time
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> When faced with the following possibilities:
>>
>> a)  temporary phone system problem
>> b)  out of business
>>
>> which is more likely?  Why do people immediately jump to (b)?
>>
>> It’s like when people get our voicemail and assume nobody is here.  Is
>> that the only possibility?  How about we’re on the phone with someone
>> else?  Or went across the hall to the bathroom?
>>
>> It’s like they say, when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2015 12:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powercode dead?? No answer
>>
>> I called someone's cell phone and made them aware of it.  Their phone
>> application had just crashed and he's on it "now".
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So how do you explain your earlier response?
>>>
>>> Tushar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Josh so are you on support staff of power code?
>>>>
>>>> Tushar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Try again in a minute...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone tried to call Powercode lately?  Both sales and support
>>>>> immediately fail "call transfer failed - no answer" - of course I have an
>>>>> outage an need assistance.  No option to transfer to after hours
>>>>> support...nothing.  Just call transfer failed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode dead?? No answer

[Jeremy]

I wasn't jumping to (b).  I was getting attention in order to get the issue
resolvedand it worked.  I know they aren't out of business.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> When faced with the following possibilities:
>
> a)  temporary phone system problem
> b)  out of business
>
> which is more likely?  Why do people immediately jump to (b)?
>
> It’s like when people get our voicemail and assume nobody is here.  Is
> that the only possibility?  How about we’re on the phone with someone
> else?  Or went across the hall to the bathroom?
>
> It’s like they say, when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2015 12:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powercode dead?? No answer
>
> I called someone's cell phone and made them aware of it.  Their phone
> application had just crashed and he's on it "now".
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com> wrote:
>
>> So how do you explain your earlier response?
>>
>> Tushar
>>
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> No
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh so are you on support staff of power code?
>>>
>>> Tushar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Try again in a minute...
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone tried to call Powercode lately?  Both sales and support
>>>> immediately fail "call transfer failed - no answer" - of course I have an
>>>> outage an need assistance.  No option to transfer to after hours
>>>> support...nothing.  Just call transfer failed.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode dead?? No answer

[Jeremy]

Jackie to the rescue!  Disaster averted.  We are no longer accepting
comments from the peanut gallery.  Move along.  Nothing to see here.
On Nov 24, 2015 12:27 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> I think he was talking about the subject - "powercode dead"
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wasn't jumping to (b).  I was getting attention in order to get the
>> issue resolvedand it worked.  I know they aren't out of business.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When faced with the following possibilities:
>>>
>>> a)  temporary phone system problem
>>> b)  out of business
>>>
>>> which is more likely?  Why do people immediately jump to (b)?
>>>
>>> It’s like when people get our voicemail and assume nobody is here.  Is
>>> that the only possibility?  How about we’re on the phone with someone
>>> else?  Or went across the hall to the bathroom?
>>>
>>> It’s like they say, when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2015 12:48 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powercode dead?? No answer
>>>
>>> I called someone's cell phone and made them aware of it.  Their phone
>>> application had just crashed and he's on it "now".
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So how do you explain your earlier response?
>>>>
>>>> Tushar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Tushar Patel <tpa...@ecpi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Josh so are you on support staff of power code?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tushar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Try again in a minute...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone tried to call Powercode lately?  Both sales and support
>>>>>> immediately fail "call transfer failed - no answer" - of course I have an
>>>>>> outage an need assistance.  No option to transfer to after hours
>>>>>> support...nothing.  Just call transfer failed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

[Jeremy]

We work in all weather.  From -18 degrees to 4' of snowhere in Utah.
We work rain or shine.  However, it is up to the installer to determine if
each install is safe or not, and he can reschedule if he isn't
comfortable.  Usually we work off of a ladder or we get on at the peak and
'scoot' along the top straddling the peak.  We wear thermals, flannel lined
pants, and Carhart coveralls.  If we held up installs for weather, we'd
never get anything done.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> I think he's worried about his rooster.  Must be a big shoe to hold both
> his foot and a whole chicken.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Not sure I got the shoe and splinters bit...
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 22, 2015 6:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?
>>
>> A moment with Steve.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2015 8:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>> It really depends on the estrogen content of your installers, When
>> I was installing there was one time only I didnt go out and that
>> was because the boss forced me not to, I had the van loaded and
>> was heading out, we had black ice everywhere and it was negative
>> dick drop out. But I dressed for the weather and have to stuff my
>> cock in my shoe just to avoid picking up splinters on wood floors.
>> Fast forward to pussies running the trucks and I kept them in
>> house last thursday because of the wind, If it "might be" white
>> out, they dont go out, if its freezing rain they dont go out, If
>> its in the negatives, they tend to not go out, if they dont have a
>> fresh tampax in they dont go out.
>> You kind of need to find the middle ground there
>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul McCall > > wrote:
>>
>> We supply plenty of high SPF sunscreen and make sure the guys
>> are well hydrated.  Our temperature cut-off is about 95
>> degrees.  Anything above that and the install would have to wait
>>
>> :)
>>
>> /ducking
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
>> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?
>>
>> Do any of you guys in the winter time install CPE's? If so
>> what is your temperature cut off time and what you wear during
>> the install?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
>> the team.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] is the nanobeam m5 400 and PBE-M5-500ac mounting hardware the same?

[Jeremy]

Yes, the 500s are the same, the 620s are the super heavy duty mounts.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> As far as I can remember, it is the same.
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Tim Reichhart <
> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>
>> Guys
>> I just wanted to know if the nanobeam m5 400 and PBE-M5-500ac mounting
>> hardware the same?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Issue With Helpers

[Jeremy]

Start debating creationism with them.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Some of them will just follow you around no matter what you do... not a
> lot you can do other than just deal with it.
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> hand the customer paperwork or documents to sign or a welcome pamphlet
>> etc.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This past couple of weeks a couple of our installers have been having
>>> issues with installing equipment at a customer’s location (not because it
>>> didn’t work, but because the customer is following them absolutely
>>> everywhere they go) and it is adding a lot of time/frustration to their
>>> jobs. Has anyone else on here come up with a nice way to deal with these
>>> kind of situations? They don’t come up all of the time but when they do it
>>> is very frustrating.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> Fourway.net
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Issue With Helpers

[Jeremy]

Yeah, that was bad advice.  Don't do that.  In reality, I try to remain as
amicable as possible, while doing a lot of the up and down the ladder
thing.  I knock it out fast and move to the next job as quickly as I can.

If they are really talkative (as I am), then it starts to take excessive
time.  I usually say something along the lines of "OH!, Look at the time
(while looking at my cell phone).  I just get so carried away talking, that
it takes me twice as long to do anything.  I sure am a talker!"  Then they
usually say "I better let you get back to work", or "I'm sorry, am I
holding you up?"  Then you can usually (again blaming yourself) say, "Yeah,
no problem.  I just get distracted easily, not your fault."

You can also act like you are getting an important call or email, and step
away.  Then, say "I've got to hurry up and get finished up, and go help out
another employee, it sure has been good chatting with you." Then duck your
head and go straight to work...fast.  This may buy you enough time to
finish and go.  Hahaha.  This is an art form that takes years to master.
Also, it doesn't work on everyone.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If they're the type to follow you around, that's very likely to
> backfire :P
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Start debating creationism with them.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Some of them will just follow you around no matter what you do... not a
>>> lot you can do other than just deal with it.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hand the customer paperwork or documents to sign or a welcome pamphlet
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Ryan <bearma...@fourway.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This past couple of weeks a couple of our installers have been having
>>>>> issues with installing equipment at a customer’s location (not because it
>>>>> didn’t work, but because the customer is following them absolutely
>>>>> everywhere they go) and it is adding a lot of time/frustration to their
>>>>> jobs. Has anyone else on here come up with a nice way to deal with these
>>>>> kind of situations? They don’t come up all of the time but when they do it
>>>>> is very frustrating.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>
>>>>> Fourway.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ultra flexible CAT5 patch cable source?

[Jeremy]

Stranded, not solid.  Right?

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

>
> What you want is pur jacket cat5 or cat6.  You can buy spools of it as
> well for ~$4 per ft
>
> On Nov 16, 2015, at 3:40 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> how about the flat ones? they pretty much fit what your asking for, but
> they only flex in 2 directions, no side to side flex?
>
>
> http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=102_id=10208_id=1020810_id=9553=1=2
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I've slowly come to the conclusion that the most useful cables for my
>> test bench are the ultra flexible type with very little if any memory.
>> They don't get kinked, they stay put, and they don't get tangled as
>> easily.When you hang them on a cable holder, they even hang nice and
>> straight.
>>
>> I've slowly been replacing all of my test cables with this type of
>> cable.   I'm still looking for a cat5 patch cable which is of this type.
>> Any ideas where I might find such a beast?
>>
>> Oh, and yes, I've looked at those little roll up toys they sell for
>> travel use.  Not really what I'm looking for, just because of the fragility
>> of the cable and questionable cat5 compliance.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

[Jeremy]

I'd definitely argue that.  You *think* they are mostly sane until you come
to Utah and attempt to order a 'double' Jack and Coke.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Well, our evangelical, agnostic and atheistic friends would probably want
> to argue the “mostly sane” part...
>
> *From:* Patrick Leary 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 12:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français
>
>
> That’s be nice. Mormons value education, ethics, and are practical people,
> so if they did get preferential treatment, at least I’m confident as a
> taxpayer I’d be supporting mostly sane people...
>
>
>
> Patrick Leary, Telrad
>
> 727-501-3735
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 11:20 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
> français
>
>
>
> Aren't Mormons an oppressed minority?
>
> On 11/16/2015 11:16 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> If “I identify as a black woman” can I get some of this?
>
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 9:15 AM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français
>
>
>
> Jaime,
>
> That screwed up mess of contracting is 100% due to the set asides the US
> government uses to assure they spend more money. Oh yea, they spend more
> with minorities, but just more money would make them happy I think. I would
> be shocked if that wasn't awarded though the SEWP V contract. Not a
> completely bad deal but I think it would be cheaper just to fly over and
> throw money out the window.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> BBC CCTV and Univision news offer a different slant on things.but
> very few programs are 100% not biased.  I prefer NPR for daily driveI
> only watch FOX to get idea what my two extreme buddies watch but only for
> seconds at a time
>
> anyways  Hi Ho Hi Ho off to work I go for a Native American company from
> Alaska installing two way radios for a federal contractor working on a
> federal location in El Paso with a team from another native American
> nationfrom Dakota area and Filipino team ...only in America
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:
>
> You're right on one thing, politics is not as cut and dried as all of that.
>
> Obama is a jackass.
>
> Fox news is far from perfect.
>
> As a businessman though I recommend not calling your potential customers
> dumb though. Fox may be a group of liars, but at this point in time they
> are the least biased news source in the US (50% biased vs 100%). Pretty
> much all of the rest of them are brown nosing the left so bad I can't see
> how they haven't suffocated themselves.
>
> When I want news with little BS I tend to lean towards BBC myself.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Patrick Leary 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 7:24 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français
>
>
>
> The world is such a simple place when everything is Obama’s fault.
>
>
>
> Somebody smashes a glass to the ground. 12 years later, people blinded by
> partisanship blame the person who tried to glue some of the pieces back
> together, but the glass still won’t hold water so it must be his fault.
> Extremely disordered cognitive functioning.
>
>
>
> …Never mind the real subtleties all the “informed” people on the Right
> seem to forget, chief among them that the IRAQI POLITICIANS SAID THE ONLY
> WAY WE COULD KEEP OUR TROOPS IN COUNTRY WAS TO REMOVE THEIR IMMUNITY AND
> MAKE THEM SUBJECT TO LIABILITY AND PROSECUTION. No one on this side of the
> pond wanted that, from the DoD to BOTH parties. Of course, FOX viewers
> either are too dumb to know this or intentionally pretend that was not the
> reality, in order to take yet another “it’s Obama’s fault” grade school
> insult. It’s just way more satisfying or simpler for their juvenile world
> view to believe “it’s Obama’s fault!” What, are you 10 years old?
>
>
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/world/middleeast/iraqis-say-no-to-immunity-for-remaining-american-troops.html?_r=0
>
>
>
> People really need to educate themselves before spewing childish partisan
> memes.
>
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 8:53 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
> français
>
>
>
> We had our chance to stop it in Iraq, we cut and run.
>
>
>
> And you are right, we didn’t do the right bombing in Vietnam to stop that
> war.  

Re: [AFMUG] link problems

[Jeremy]

Yeah, that is strange.  Are these all LOS shots?  I can't get the M2 to go
through a single tree.  I think it is multipathing working to our advantage
because of the wider beamwidth.  We don't have near the amount of trees
that you have, but I have literally had to go back to every Nanobeam M2
install and swap them out because of service issues.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Opposite here...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 15, 2015 10:16 AM, "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have not been impressed with the Nanobeam M2.  I see way better
>> performance to a M2 Nanostation and reflector.  The TX rate always suffers
>> (like the link you just put in).  This is in contrast to a M5 400 where I
>> see better performance than a M5 Nanostation and reflector.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I generally set them for whatever is the opposite that AP is on.
>>>
>>> They pretty much all come set auto out of the box and I won't find out
>>> someone got a new router until they complain about the speed or latency.
>>>
>>> Most of them we don't have any problems, but there are always a few.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 7:15 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] link problems
>>>
>>> When we were doing 2.4GHz, we set all the routers in the houses to
>>> channel 6, no options.  Then we used 1 and 11 for outdoor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:08 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] link problems
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've done some playing with the routers recently. I've noticed that auto
>>> almost always chooses the same channel that my customer's CPE is on.
>>>
>>> It appears that the router is looking for the lowest noise level,
>>> ignoring the fact that the 802.11 signal is strong, but isn't registered as
>>> noise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My working theory as to why *every* router on auto hits the channel that
>>> feeds my customers.
>>>
>>> I guess one hitch is I'm running 10MHz channels now, so realistically
>>> the routers shouldn't be able to see it, though I suppose the sub carriers
>>> are still the same.
>>>
>>> If anyone has any input that'd be awesome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:08 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] link problems
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Customer routers used to mostly default to WiFi channel 6, but now they
>>> typically are set by default to AUTO and in many cases to use an extension
>>> channel, so 6+11 or 1+6.  We try to change the customer’s router to a fixed
>>> 20 MHz channel on channel 6, then we avoid using the middle of the band for
>>> our APs.  If your CPE setup is such that customers can hook up a new router
>>> and it just works, over time they will migrate back to AUTO 20/40 MHz.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, actually we avoid using 2.4 GHz anymore, but that’s what we’ve done
>>> on our legacy 2.4 GHz sites.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:01 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] link problems
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't decide that for you. You really need to know what the noise is
>>> like at each sector. However, when I use 10 MHz channels, I try to take
>>> advantage of the fact that you're only using a 1/2 channel. You're goig to
>>> get better results (most of the time) when you're at the edges.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/14/2015 1:52

Re: [AFMUG] link problems

[Jeremy]

I have not been impressed with the Nanobeam M2.  I see way better
performance to a M2 Nanostation and reflector.  The TX rate always suffers
(like the link you just put in).  This is in contrast to a M5 400 where I
see better performance than a M5 Nanostation and reflector.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Glen Waldrop 
wrote:

> I generally set them for whatever is the opposite that AP is on.
>
> They pretty much all come set auto out of the box and I won't find out
> someone got a new router until they complain about the speed or latency.
>
> Most of them we don't have any problems, but there are always a few.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 7:15 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] link problems
>
> When we were doing 2.4GHz, we set all the routers in the houses to channel
> 6, no options.  Then we used 1 and 11 for outdoor.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] link problems
>
>
>
> I've done some playing with the routers recently. I've noticed that auto
> almost always chooses the same channel that my customer's CPE is on.
>
> It appears that the router is looking for the lowest noise level, ignoring
> the fact that the 802.11 signal is strong, but isn't registered as noise.
>
>
>
> My working theory as to why *every* router on auto hits the channel that
> feeds my customers.
>
> I guess one hitch is I'm running 10MHz channels now, so realistically the
> routers shouldn't be able to see it, though I suppose the sub carriers are
> still the same.
>
> If anyone has any input that'd be awesome.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:08 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] link problems
>
>
>
> Customer routers used to mostly default to WiFi channel 6, but now they
> typically are set by default to AUTO and in many cases to use an extension
> channel, so 6+11 or 1+6.  We try to change the customer’s router to a fixed
> 20 MHz channel on channel 6, then we avoid using the middle of the band for
> our APs.  If your CPE setup is such that customers can hook up a new router
> and it just works, over time they will migrate back to AUTO 20/40 MHz.
>
>
>
> OK, actually we avoid using 2.4 GHz anymore, but that’s what we’ve done on
> our legacy 2.4 GHz sites.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince 
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:01 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] link problems
>
>
>
> I can't decide that for you. You really need to know what the noise is
> like at each sector. However, when I use 10 MHz channels, I try to take
> advantage of the fact that you're only using a 1/2 channel. You're goig to
> get better results (most of the time) when you're at the edges.
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 11/14/2015 1:52 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>
> Bill
> my other sectors at the same tower is on 6,9 should I go with 1 and 11
> with 10mhz?
>
> Tim
>
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 11/14/15 04:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems
>
> Get it off channel 7. Poke around at the sub end and see what else is on
> what channel. Typically, there will be less noise at channel 1 or 11. Most
> SOHO routers are going to be on channel 6, and putting your stuff on 7 will
> get local interference most of the time.
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/14/2015 1:34 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>
>
> Josh
> these stats are at the CPE and I even have the rf shields on the AP's and
> the ap's are up 150ft up the air. So it sounds like I am going have to
> probably switch it to 5ghz.
>
> Tim
>
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 11/14/15 04:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems
>
> Looks like noise at the AP being my first thought. Assuming those stats
> are from the CPE.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Nov 14, 2015 4:27 PM, "Tim Reichhart" 
> wrote:
>
> The customer is wanting 8 meg but is only getting 3-4 meg there josh
>
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 11/14/15 04:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] link problems
>
> What's the problem..?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 937-552-2340
> 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 

Re: [AFMUG] Steer customers to ACH (vs CC)?

[Jeremy]

I originally loved ACH, for the cost savings.  Now I have realized that it
is the only way that a customer can defraud us with our current billing
method.  They login and run an ACH on a delinquent account, get it turned
back on automagically, and then it bounces, we add a fee, they repeat the
process, we turn it off, add another fee, rinse, lather, repeat.  Finally
we give up and go get the equipment and now we're out like $250.  Being a
prepaid service we usually shut them off after 20 days and so that would be
the most that anyone could possibly hit us for (20 days of service).  With
checks they can bounce the install and then play the re-activation game for
two months before we get frustrated and pull out.

We have yet to start sending customers to collections.  For those of you
that are, how does it work out?  Are the reclamation of these minor amounts
worth the slanderous hate speech that is sure to come from that customer
for life after you hit their credit?  We have been eating the cost, cutting
ties, and moving on.

As far as how we push them toward ACH, I simply explain how bad bill pay
sucks.  It is like sending cash in the mail and it goes through a third
party.  If they are late mailing it then service gets shut off, and late
fees get added.  I also tell them that credit cards cost us more to process
than checks.  I basically just tell them that we prefer ACH, but we will
take anything.  I regularly question whether ACH is a good idea or not.  We
have more problem customers on ACH than any other payment method.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Our bank wants a $25/mo minimum fee for us to process ACH payments, so we
> don’t accept ACH.  The per transaction fee is not bad, but the minimum is a
> problem.
>
> *From:* Justin Wilson - MTIN 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Steer customers to ACH (vs CC)?
>
> Give them a discount.  Much of it depends on the bank. We had folks who
> absolutely hated ACH because their bank would charge an overdraft if the
> ACH failed.  They like the CC, even if it was a debit card, because if the
> money wasn’t there it just declines it.  No $30 fee or whatever.   But, it
> depends on the bank. This is what wasn’t attractive to us was banks treated
> it different.  Credit card either runs or it doesn’t.  ACH typically is not
> as smooth for a variety of reasons.
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net
> 
> Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> 
> COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Christopher Gray 
> wrote:
>
> For the people who accept both ACH and CC payments, do you do anything to
> promote the use of ACH (to reduce your costs)?
>
> Thanks - Chris
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

[Jeremy]

I know that you've dealt with it Chuck, because you run fiber.  Have you
ever heard of a wireless company being required to have a franchise?  Did
you just bill it line item like a tax? ie. XYZ City Franchise Agreement Fee
- 5% - $2.25

They are consulting the city attorney and getting back with me.  If they
determine that it is in fact required for wireless then I will obviously be
seeking counsel before making any determination on which route to take.  I
had just never heard such a thing.  The determinations made in the cases
and appeals of Qwest vs. Oregon seem to point at it as purely an issue for
cities to be able to control their public ROW.  It is hard for me to find
any basis for requiring this fee for any other reason than that.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I wouldn’t sweat it.  Generally the fees are 2-5% of revenue.  You tack it
> on the bill, blame the city, then raise holy hell with the city about other
> companies operating there without a franchise.  I have ran into this
> multiple times.
>
> *From:* Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2015 11:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city
>
> I found a law on the books that says any company selling telecommunication
> services within the city must have a franchise license with the city.  None
> of my competitors have ever done this.  I thought it must just be on the
> books from a time when all telecom was ran in the ROW, and therefore it
> would make sense.
>
> Against my better judgement, I contacted the city about leasing space at a
> few of their properties.  Now, they want a franchise agreement for me to
> even offer service within the city at all.  I have not had a chance to view
> this agreement yet.  How does this make sense?  Is a franchise agreement a
> profit sharing type of scenario?  Does anyone have a franchise agreement
> with their city to provide wireless service?  What does the agreement
> usually entail?
>
> Would it make sense to just cease operations within city limits and then
> get all of the customers that want service to sign a petition?  Is this
> worth fighting them over?  You don't see McDonalds or WalMart signing
> franchise agreements with the city, why would any private entity have to
> have an agreement with the city to do business?  Is this standard practice?
>

[AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

[Jeremy]

I found a law on the books that says any company selling telecommunication
services within the city must have a franchise license with the city.  None
of my competitors have ever done this.  I thought it must just be on the
books from a time when all telecom was ran in the ROW, and therefore it
would make sense.

Against my better judgement, I contacted the city about leasing space at a
few of their properties.  Now, they want a franchise agreement for me to
even offer service within the city at all.  I have not had a chance to view
this agreement yet.  How does this make sense?  Is a franchise agreement a
profit sharing type of scenario?  Does anyone have a franchise agreement
with their city to provide wireless service?  What does the agreement
usually entail?

Would it make sense to just cease operations within city limits and then
get all of the customers that want service to sign a petition?  Is this
worth fighting them over?  You don't see McDonalds or WalMart signing
franchise agreements with the city, why would any private entity have to
have an agreement with the city to do business?  Is this standard practice?

[AFMUG] UBNT stock

[Jeremy]

Up 15% today!  It seems like investors found the EPS increase favorable.
 2nd quarter earnings were up, and forward-looking statements are
positive.  Maybe it will keep climbing back to $55??  Someday

Re: [AFMUG] OT Craigslist

[Jeremy]

Molly and Lucy?  Who sells Ecstasy and LSD on Craigslist???  That's some
crazy stuff right there.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> My advice to Chuck would be to separate the two things.  Look for a house
> cleaner, and look for a boarder.
>
> At least around here, lots of moms clean houses part time to make some
> extra money.  It’s a job you can do during the day while the kids are in
> school, or on weekends as a second job.  I don’t think you’ll have a hard
> time finding someone.  Then if you really want to take in a boarder, find a
> boarder who pays rent.  If you were someplace like France, I’d say look for
> a nice young Mormon on a mission.  But seriously, would the local church
> possibly know someone looking to clean houses part time or someone looking
> for room?
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 7:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Craigslist
>
>
> Check out the best of category. It can be hilarious.
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015, 7:50 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Craigslist is a whole other world of debauchery and outright criminality
>> mixed with puppy dogs for sale.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Got an account and am perusing the content.  I see a listing that says
>>> “Molly and Lucy are in town. “  I have to assume this is a drug reference?
>>>
>>> Man there is some weird crap there.  Have never really looked into it
>>> before.  Always assumed it was folks selling surplus lawnmowers.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Checking Comcast Availability on a Per Address Basis?

[Jeremy]

In my state Comcast claims they have 1Gbps speeds everywhere...even in the
mountains.  I complained to the local broadband development office when
they wanted my map, and they said "it's difficult to make a detailed map of
their exact network".  I said "No doubt!  I just made one!"  I would argue
that making a map of wireless coverage is way harder, since we do not have
a MAP of physical cables in the ground!!!  Comcast doesn't even have lines
in my neighborhood and never will.  However, pull it up on the map and they
claim 1Gbps at my house.  BAH!

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Christopher Gray  wrote:

> In this area the National Broadband Map significantly overstates coverage
> of DSL and Cable.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> National Broadband Map?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Christopher Gray" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 4, 2015 7:16:01 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Checking Comcast Availability on a Per Address Basis?
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know of a way to check Comcast service availability on a
>> per-address basis? I'd like to be able to check a list of addresses (text
>> file) and get information on the services available (text file with added
>> information).
>>
>> I can do this with Verizon services, but I'm considering moving into some
>> Comcast areas and would like to know the extent of their coverage.
>>
>> [When moving into an area, I like to check which competing services are
>> available. I only have to to deal with Verizon and Comcast, and they have
>> limited coverage in my area (typically only centers of towns, but not the
>> outskirts).]
>>
>> Thanks - Chris
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Testing APC units - probably a dumb question

[Jeremy]

Yes, they require batteries to even power on.  Also, many of the larger
APCs are 48v instead of 24v.  Make sure to check the data sheet.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Wonder what would happen if you put a big cap in place of the batt.
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 1:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Testing APC units - probably a dumb question
>
>
> Yes, they probably do need the batteries to even respond.
>
>
>
> At least the few that I’ve used over the years, they don’t do anything,
> even if plugged in, if the batts are dead or removed.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, November 2, 2015 12:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Testing APC units - probably a dumb question
>
>
>
> We have a bunch of surplus larger (2K plus)  110v APCs that we acquired
> without batteries, part of a larger lot of “stuff”.
>
>
>
> Do they have to have batteries in them to even power on?   First few we
> tried don’t power up, and before I chase my tail or jump to conclusions, I
> figured I would ask.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] All units on a tower lost GPS sync

[Jeremy]

I've seen GPS antennas die before, seen water in a type-N conenctor, and
have seen the sync source die (daughter board on a CMM3, or whatever on
CMM4.  There are a few points of failure that could cause that.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> What radios?  What's giving them sync?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 2, 2015 9:18 AM, "Justin Wilson - MTIN"  wrote:
>
>> What would cause GPS sync to drop on 5 units on a tower? Have 3 sectors
>> and 2 backhauls which keep losing GPS sync. Can reboot the units or turn
>> gps off and on by selecting a different source and then changing it back
>> GPS. It then works for a short time before it stops again.  On phone with
>> Cambium but there seems to be a language barrier at the moment. :-)
>>
>> These have been rock solid for months until about 8am EST this morning.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>>
>> ---
>> http://www.mtin.net
>> 
>> Owner/CEO
>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>>
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>> 
>>  COO/Chairman
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Best laptop for battery and price

[Jeremy]

I use a Lenovo X230 convertible.  I love it, but not for $1,200.  We use
Nexus 7 or Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 tablets for installs.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Buy them used. They're so much cheaper and a fantastic value.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> I finally switched over to Thinkpads after using Dell Latitudes for
>> nearly 10 years.  My current laptop is a 440s, and it's by far the best
>> laptop that I have ever owned.  It's light, and the keyboard/display are
>> great.  I get ~6 hours typically.  It's not exactly a budget laptop, though.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We use Samsung because Sprint gives them away for free with a $10 data
>>> plan.  We got a bunch of them because of that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Langeler
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2015 12:29 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Best laptop for battery and price
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have two of the latest Tecra z30, and they are light, fast, and last
>>> like 6hrs+. But they are too fragile for the average installer...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:46 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Toshiba Tecra is what I use, 4-8 hour battery depending on what im
>>> doing, I havent looked at one in 4 or 5 years, cause this ones a horse,
>>> hopefully they have gone the thin route. they always standard has serial
>>> port too. not cheap, but not bank breaker for something that stands to 4 or
>>> five years of dirty abuse
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>> My problem is the keys are in the wrong spots (not the alphanumeric
>>> ones, obviously).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, October 31, 2015 8:49:23 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Best laptop for battery and price
>>>
>>> The Thinkpad contoured keys are nice, the trackpads are hit or miss
>>> depending on model.  I like the keyboard and trackpad on my 5 year old Sony
>>> VAIO Z-series, but of course Sony got out of the PC business.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2015 8:37 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Best laptop for battery and price
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You mean the best keyboard of all laptops?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2015 8:45 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't stand the Thinkpad's keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Friday, October 30, 2015 5:36:15 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Best laptop for battery and price
>>>
>>> Ever since I started using Thinkpads I haven't gone back.  They're not
>>> as durable as a Toughbook, but they're the best quality/durability for the
>>> price that I've found.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For budget reasons, we use used Lenovo 420's off eBay.  Cheap, easy to
>>> repair, and all the accessories are cheap.  They are also rather tough
>>> although not like a Toughbook.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:30 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: 

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Jeremy]

Great info, thanks!  I've lived here my whole life but I've never really
dealt with rain fade or snow fade.  I just assumed that snow would be worse
when it is coming down thick.  We really don't get many torrential rains
like you guys back East do.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> You know what really sucks for multipath?  Heavy rain on frozen ground,
> sits there and freezes into a big skating rink out in the fields, and stays
> there until spring thaw.  Like a big RF mirror.
>
> Other than that, RF seems to like winter.
>
>
> *From:* Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2015 6:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
>
> +1.  The other benefit to snow vs. rain is the droplet size (a rain drop
> is closer to the wavelengths we use vs. a snowflake).
>
>
>
> Snow actually causes two different issues typically than fade thru Free
> Space.  First, depending on the geometry of the link, may cause multipath
> where snowless conditions do not have it and two (and more likely) melting
> snow built up on the antenna and re-freezing builds ice on the radome and
> causes fade.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: Twitter
> <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 9:44 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
>
>
> Snow in the air actually causes a lot less fade at =>11 GHz than the
> equivalent amount of rain. Even wet snow is relatively "dry" when it's in
> the air until it hits surfaces and starts congealing.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Seriously though, how does that perform in wet, heavy snow at 3.5 miles?
> I can't imagine it would be good.  I am in Utah too.  Am I wrong for
> engineering all of my 24GHz links at less than one mile?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Work <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dont know if @UBNT-Chuck wants to chime in here but you may want to take a
> look at what going on with the 3.2 beta on the forum it might be more just
> for AFX though not real clear on that
>
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
> Cannot speak for the link calculator, but  I can share with you the
> following:-
>
>
>
> 1) -64/-65 is the right signal level for a link distance of 3.5 miles
>
> 2) yes the chains should be balanced (all of them the same  or +/- 1-2db),
> your one side is rather off ...
>
> (when you have them just right, it does take a bit of patience, each
> side of the chain should be similar or the same +/- 1db
>
> 3) you might want to reduce the RX gain to low, and or if you leave the
> gain high, try reducing the power one 1db at a time... to get the full 8x
> modulation...
>
>
>
> Best of Luck
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:30:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Ooops, wrong image, lol!
>
>
>
> This is the one that I thought I attached, but didn’t show up as an
> attachment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
>
>
> You Sure ?
>
>
>
> Here is attached proof... doing max of 47G x 9.42G on a 100meg port !
>
>
>
> LOL!
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:15:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Somehow I really doubt you got 8.4gbps on a

Re: [AFMUG] Weirdest network issue

[Jeremy]

This is going to be a setting in the ProCurves I would say.  The AF should
essentially be acting as a transparent bridge.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
wrote:

> We replaced 3x Dragonwaves in LACP with a single AF 24HD, also updated
> switches on both sides with newer HP Procurves.
>
>
>
> Before:
>
> Me – (Procurve 1810) – (3X Dragonwave HC in LACP) - (3X Dragonwave in
> LACP) – (Procurve 2848) – (APs & BHs)
>
>
>
> After:
>
> Me – (Procurve 1920-24G) – (Ubiquiti AirFiber 24 HD) - (Ubiquiti AirFiber
> 24 HD) – (Procurve 1920-48G) – (APs & BHs)
>
>
>
> Everything works as expected with the exception of subscribers behind
> three different Trango M900APs.
>
> The M900APs are manageable, but the connected clients are not.
>
> The M900AP can always ping the clients but the Procurve 1920-48G switch
> and other devices further back cannot either.
>
> The M900AP clients also are not able to establish PPPoE sessions.
>
>
>
> Its gets weird-
>
> If we reboot the M900AP all the clients become manageable and establish
> PPPoE connections but this only lasts unpredictably anywhere from 10
> minutes to 3-ish hours.
>
>
>
> Weirder-
>
> Only this tower that received the Procurve 1920-48G has problems with the
> M900APs.  Other towers that are backhauled off this switch and also
> received new Procurve 1920-24Gs switches and have M900APs do NOT have this
> same problem.
>
>
>
> I’m running out of ideas to try :/  Nothing else changed in the network.
> Basically it’s something with the AF or the Procurves, I think?
>
>
>
> Incidentally, we put these 3 APs on the old Procurve 2848 and routed them
> back over the Dragonwave and it worked just fine for a few days.
>
>
>
> Ideas?
>
> `S
>

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Jeremy]

t;>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:56 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is one at 140ft closer to the airport than my planned one will be,
>>> only looking for a 50ft mini pop to hit a few houses behind a hill.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll check out the site.
>>>
>>> Thanks guys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2015 7:35 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> i like safely landing rather than getting snagged outa the air by a
>>> tower ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> seriously though, the FCC and the FAA work together to make sure the
>>> national airspace is safe for everyone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> there are ways to get a tower near an airport if they are in the right
>>> spot and/or not too tall as to create a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is quite a distance away where you are still required to pass the
>>> glide slope, and notify them of any frequency changes.  I know that every
>>> tower that I have looked into building within a couple miles has failed the
>>> test in towair.  Still looking for alternatives.  I just hate all the red
>>> tape.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the legality of towers near airports?
>>>
>>> How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> Lewis Bergman
> 325-439-0533 Cell
>

Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV

[Jeremy]

Do you think that Cambium was like, "These techy types are so enthusiastic
about proprietary formats like Apple and everything, we should follow suit
and ignore all of the IEEE standards!??"  Or was it "Maybe we can MAKE them
buy our CMM!"  Either way, I call it a POE failure.  Glad that I never
deployed 430.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yes, it bonds the positive or 4/5 with the positive of 7/8 whichever one
> that is.  It is the split pair powering version.  The others don't split
> the power pair.
>
> The most universal one is the GigE-XXX-POE.  Unless you need split pair
> powering...
>
> -Original Message- From: Matt
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:45 AM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV
>
> Does the 430APC-HV bond any pairs?  Would it be the more universal one?
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Right, it electrically bonds the pairs for powering.  That will not work
>> for
>> a 430 and a few others.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Matt
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 5:10 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 430APC-HV
>>
>> You want the GigE-APC-HV because it will work with everything.
>>>
>>
>>
>> but power pairs are electrically bonded (4/5) (1/2) (3/6) (7/8)
>>
>
>>
>> Will that make it not work with something?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] When you want 4.8 kbps at -115 signal or thereabouts

[Jeremy]

This technology seems like it would be perfect for SCADA stuff wouldn't
it?  We provide service to our local irrigation company and they have
terrible connections, but only need a few kbps every few minutes so it
still works great.  They are just sensors that monitor water flow through
canal systems.  I can see a ton of uses for this technology as the IOT
takes off.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> maxstream. Makes some.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Oct 29, 2015 8:07 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> There was a company that had a 2.4GHz narrow band unit that would go 7
>> miles.  I looked for them a few months ago and couldn’t find them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 2:42 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] When you want 4.8 kbps at -115 signal or thereabouts
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.lora-alliance.org/
>>
>>
>> https://medium.com/@dconrad/how-new-long-range-radios-will-change-the-internet-of-things-ed8e6b5e367f#.6oj7erk51
>>
>> Here's a manufacturer with a datasheet:
>>
>> http://www.semtech.com/images/datasheet/sx1276_77_78_79.pdf
>>
>> http://www.semtech.com/apps/product.php?pn=SX1276
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Jeremy]

Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop 
wrote:

> What is the legality of towers near airports?
>
> How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Towers near airports

[Jeremy]

It is quite a distance away where you are still required to pass the glide
slope, and notify them of any frequency changes.  I know that every tower
that I have looked into building within a couple miles has failed the test
in towair.  Still looking for alternatives.  I just hate all the red tape.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Put it in to the towair website and see if it passes or fails.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Glen Waldrop <gwl...@cngwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
>> What is the legality of towers near airports?
>>
>> How high, how far does it need to be from the airport, etc?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New Speedtest.net server for us

[Jeremy]

Works for me, but my test was 43ms 2.5Mbps down x 20Mbps up.  I get 6ms &
50x70 to UEN in SLC on this same WiFi.  I'll have to try testing to you on
a wired connection next time I have a chance.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Ok, I think we got it fixed.
>
> http://avative.speedtest.net/
>
> This should come up with a speedtest.net screen that has the button Begin
> Test, Your Preferred Server.
> Which should use my server in Utah.
>
> Can anyone test it and let me know?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 9:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Speedtest.net server for us
>
> Nothing special, this was the parts list, used:
>
> HP DL360 G5, 8GB RAM, Dual 2.5GHz Quad core, 3 146GB drives(1 hot spare),
> redundant PSUs - $200 Intel 10GB SFP+ NIC - $110
>
> So for that, I got a machine capable of doing 7800Mbps to my desktop.
> It's not on-net, but it's a very short loop through one router.
>
> In a week or two I'll have it through a different router and see if
> anything changes.
> I could probably even drop it on the same switching network and see if I
> get more throughput.
> That would be interesting.
>
> However at this moment it's not even showing up on speedtest.net anymore.
> Oh well, maybe I broke something with their system.
> I'll go check it again with a friends help.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 6:16 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Speedtest.net server for us
>
> What kind of CPU did you need for 10GB interface?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 26, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
> >
> > I 'moved' our speedtest.net server to our 10Gbps network.
> > It's actually on a 1U rack server now instead of a VM at the datacenter.
> >
> > I can get about 2500Mbps by 7800Mbps locally from it.
> >
> > Can any of you get over 1Gbps to it?
> >
> > http://avative.speedtest.net/
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tile satellite mount

[Jeremy]

No option to skip it and go for a fascia mount?

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> I’m looking for a roof mount that attaches to concrete tiles by clamping
> against it.  Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Progress always involves risks. You can't steal second base and keep
> your foot on first. “~Frederick B. Wilcox*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber

[Jeremy]

I do not see the direct DC connector on any of the marketing photos.  Do
these still need to be powered via POE?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:

> Thanks Mike.
>
> Yes the aggregates Mike quoted are roughly correct as well, but…it’s a bit
> different when you’re using our Auto-TDMA mode. Assuming you’re not fully
> loaded, users running speedtests get results at a Gigabit in up and down
> direction and around 1 ms RT latency, so it feels higher speed aggregate
> since we’re adapting to actual usage on the fly. In other words we fill up
> the underutilized directional demand with the direction that’s in demand
> (usually downstream of course).
>
> That’s opposed to locking down the MAC/PHY layer at 50/50 like FDD does,
> or 75/25 TDMA modes, etc.
>
> Jaime
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Mike Hammett <
> af...@ics-il.net>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 2:33 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber
>
> Yes.
>
> 1200 - 1500 aggregate.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:00:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber
>
> Jamie;
>
> Is the b11 based on 802.11 silicone?
>
> Is the b11 capable of 750fd or 1500fd?
>
> Thank you
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> And Mike quits sending you nasty emails because you think copper was sent
>> to us by an evil entity from another dimension.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:27 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber
>>
>>
>>
>> Two reasons:
>>
>> 1) Peace of mind regarding *future* EMI problems
>> 2) It's pretty sexy these days to tell people you have fiber to the
>> antenna,
>>
>> On 10/21/2015 1:35 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>>
>> Mimosa recommends these SFP modules:
>>
>> AFBR-5710APZ
>> ï¿1Ž2
>> 1.25 GBd MMF Transceiver for Gigabit Ethernet, SFP, Bail de-latch, Ext Temp
>> (-40 to 85C)
>>
>> AFCT-5715ALZ
>> 
>> 1.25 GBd SMF Transceiver with DMI for Gigabit Ethernet, SFP, Std de-latch,
>> Ext Temp (-40 to 85C)
>>
>> FTLF8519P3BTL
>> 
>> Fiber Optic Transmitters, Receivers, Transceivers GigE 1x/2x FC, 2.129 Gb/s
>> trnscvr, 550m
>>
>> FTLF1318P3BTL
>> 
>> Fiber Optic Transmitters, Receivers, Transceivers 1310nmFP GigE 1x FC
>> 1.25Gb/s trnscvr10km
>>
>> ï¿1Ž2
>>
>> Assuming cable length and EMI are not issues, is there any benefit to
>> using fiber over copper?
>>
>> ï¿1Ž2
>>
>> `S
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber

[Jeremy]

I can see your point, but it seems that you are missing part of the idea of
why we run direct DC and fiber, to avoid ESD issues frying the sensitive
Ethernet components.  We already have direct -48vdc and fiber sitting in
our tower box, ready for future expansion.  You simply needed one
additional small connector and you could have made everyone happy.  There
are already a number of manufacturers out there who not only support POE,
but also have direct DC connectors as well.  AFAIK, The connector part is
less than a buck.  Consider this my request for a future hardware revision
that adds the small direct DC connector as an option.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Jaime Fink <ja...@mimosa.co> wrote:

> Yes it is powered via 802.3at PoE. You do not need Ethernet PHY
> operational though once you've configured the SFP, it just accepts power
> through the circuit at that point.
>
> Unfortunately not everyone has gone to fiber yet so PoE is still needed
> for some transitionally.
>
> Jaime
>
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I do not see the direct DC connector on any of the marketing photos.  Do
> these still need to be powered via POE?
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Jaime Fink <ja...@mimosa.co> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mike.
>>
>> Yes the aggregates Mike quoted are roughly correct as well, but…it’s a
>> bit different when you’re using our Auto-TDMA mode. Assuming you’re not
>> fully loaded, users running speedtests get results at a Gigabit in up and
>> down direction and around 1 ms RT latency, so it feels higher speed
>> aggregate since we’re adapting to actual usage on the fly. In other words
>> we fill up the underutilized directional demand with the direction that’s
>> in demand (usually downstream of course).
>>
>> That’s opposed to locking down the MAC/PHY layer at 50/50 like FDD does,
>> or 75/25 TDMA modes, etc.
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Mike Hammett <
>> af...@ics-il.net>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 2:33 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> 1200 - 1500 aggregate.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:00:16 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber
>>
>> Jamie;
>>
>> Is the b11 based on 802.11 silicone?
>>
>> Is the b11 capable of 750fd or 1500fd?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And Mike quits sending you nasty emails because you think copper was
>>> sent to us by an evil entity from another dimension.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:27 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Two reasons:
>>>
>>> 1) Peace of mind regarding *future* EMI problems
>>> 2) It's pretty sexy these days to tell people you have fiber to the
>>> antenna,
>>>
>>> On 10/21/2015 1:35 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>>>
>>> Mimosa recommends these SFP modules:
>>>
>>> AFBR-5710APZ
>>> <http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Avago-Technologies/AFBR-5710APZ/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduhaC58MVLqFl44%252bx6hS5cz1YhojZqdUVyI7Wp%252bPDPG4Rg%3d%3d>ï¿1Ž2
>>> 1.25 GBd MMF Transceiver for Gigabit Ethernet, SFP, Bail de-latch, Ext Temp
>>> (-40 to 85C)
>>>
>>> AFCT-5715ALZ
>>> <http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Avago-Technologies/AFCT-5715ALZ/?qs=%2fha2pyFadujhJvt9bnk9ES81EX7WBD7ZrbBItK6kCZLHNEN0X0r%2fGA%3d%3d>
>>> 1.25 GBd SMF Transceiver with DMI for Gigabit Ethernet, SFP, Std de-latch,
>>> Ext Temp (-40 to 85C)
>>>
>>> FTLF8519P3BTL
>>> <http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Finisar/FTLF8519P3BTL/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduh7nd4n5kIrSHIvC1uJRiq8EwAcMil5upKcc76M2JIwDQ%3d%3d>
>>> Fiber Optic Transmitters, Receivers, Transceivers GigE 1x/2x FC, 2.129 Gb/s
>>> trnscvr, 550m
>>>
>>> FTLF1318P3BTL
>>> <http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Finisar/FTLF1318P3BTL/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduikXVilIKTQvJhiq4n%2fsUYWQAU7K0qEJnA1f%252bqIw1quUw%3d%3d>
>>> Fiber Optic Transmitters, Receivers, Transceivers 1310nmFP GigE 1x FC
>>> 1.25Gb/s trnscvr10km
>>>
>>> ï¿1Ž2
>>>
>>> Assuming cable length and EMI are not issues, is there any benefit to
>>> using fiber over copper?
>>>
>>> ï¿1Ž2
>>>
>>> `S
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber

[Jeremy]

Awesome.  Sounds like you guys are on top of it.  Not trying to rain on
anyone's parade, I am SUPER stoked that companies are starting to put SFP
ports on radios.  I just don't understand why everyone's implementation
isn't exactly like my own.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I'm not sure there are any practical implementations of fiber and DC that
> I haven't already gone over with Jaime...  more than once.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> --
> *From: *"Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 24, 2015 12:17:18 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber
>
> I can see your point, but it seems that you are missing part of the idea
> of why we run direct DC and fiber, to avoid ESD issues frying the sensitive
> Ethernet components.  We already have direct -48vdc and fiber sitting in
> our tower box, ready for future expansion.  You simply needed one
> additional small connector and you could have made everyone happy.  There
> are already a number of manufacturers out there who not only support POE,
> but also have direct DC connectors as well.  AFAIK, The connector part is
> less than a buck.  Consider this my request for a future hardware revision
> that adds the small direct DC connector as an option.
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Jaime Fink <ja...@mimosa.co> wrote:
>
>> Yes it is powered via 802.3at PoE. You do not need Ethernet PHY
>> operational though once you've configured the SFP, it just accepts power
>> through the circuit at that point.
>>
>> Unfortunately not everyone has gone to fiber yet so PoE is still needed
>> for some transitionally.
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I do not see the direct DC connector on any of the marketing photos.  Do
>> these still need to be powered via POE?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Jaime Fink <ja...@mimosa.co> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Mike.
>>>
>>> Yes the aggregates Mike quoted are roughly correct as well, but…it’s a
>>> bit different when you’re using our Auto-TDMA mode. Assuming you’re not
>>> fully loaded, users running speedtests get results at a Gigabit in up and
>>> down direction and around 1 ms RT latency, so it feels higher speed
>>> aggregate since we’re adapting to actual usage on the fly. In other words
>>> we fill up the underutilized directional demand with the direction that’s
>>> in demand (usually downstream of course).
>>>
>>> That’s opposed to locking down the MAC/PHY layer at 50/50 like FDD does,
>>> or 75/25 TDMA modes, etc.
>>>
>>> Jaime
>>>
>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Mike Hammett <
>>> af...@ics-il.net>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 2:33 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> 1200 - 1500 aggregate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:00:16 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B11 copper v fiber
>>>
>>> Jamie;
>>>
>>> Is the b11 based on 802.11 silicone?
>>>
>>> Is the b11 capable of 750fd or 1500fd?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And Mike quits sending you nasty emails because you think copper was
>>>> sent to us by an evil entity from another dimension.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Serving customers next door to tower

[Jeremy]

I don't always use Locos, but when I do, I use them with RF-Armor (for that
extra 3db of noise reduction).  Where are those damn Meme generators when I
need them??

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> That might be my only option...
>
> I guess I was hoping for a magical solution :)
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Oct 22, 2015 1:29 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> I would probably put them on 5160 in a narrow channel with the power
>> turned way down.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:15 PM
>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serving customers next door to tower
>>
>> If you're not doing anything else with 3.65ghz, 3.65ghz NanoStations work
>> pretty well for something like that. I personally wouldn't put a
>> Nano/LocoM5 on a tower with any other 5ghz radios... way too much noise
>> leaks out the backside of those things.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just use a band you’re not otherwise using.  2.4GHz, 3.65GHz, 5.1GHz,
>>> 900MHz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 24GHz or 60GHz if you need to deliver some capacity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>
>>> Skype: danieldwhite
>>> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: Twitter
>>> <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:13 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serving customers next door to tower
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the ones that I cannot get good signal I use a bare loco on both
>>> sides, one pointed up and one pointed down, on a 5MHz channel.  It will
>>> usually still get them 15Mbps, without sacrificing too much spectrum at the
>>> tower.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you have a cabinet or shelter at the bottom of the tower?  I have
>>> been considering just putting an omni down there, since it rarely works
>>> well shooting up at the APs.  At grain legs, I have sometimes done a low
>>> powered PTP link with something like NS5 Locos just for a scale house,
>>> maintenance shop, or house right at the leg.  Then you can tilt it down.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it’s more than just hearing all the APs, there seem to be
>>> problems being outside the main lobe of the antenna, plus reflections off
>>> tower steel, even once you get the signal level to an acceptable point, SNR
>>> and modulation can be disappointing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you’re convinced the only problem is too strong a signal, you could
>>> always use an external antenna and an inline coax attenuator.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:02 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Serving customers next door to tower
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any tips for this?
>>>
>>>
>>> My only thought process was to do an integrated radio *inside* the
>>> office building to keep from hearing every AP on the tower.  We've had some
>>> issues with nearby customers using a Force110/Beam hearing way too much of
>>> the tower so we moved to Integrated/Nano to solve their problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a business that needs service and it's literally the same address
>>> as the tower (150 feet up).  It's 60 feet away to the middle of the office
>>> but the ends are about 120 feet away.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ISPs "reminded" to not use government money for alcohol and vacations

[Jeremy]

What do you think those 'massages' were??

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Who says it isn't?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Oct 22, 2015 7:57 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow its suprising that list didn't include ludes and hookers
>> On Oct 22, 2015 4:00 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Emphasis on yourself. I want to go to Tahiti.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 He ought to be on a panel next year. He could give a class in his to
 "leverage" government funds to better serve your customers and yourself

 On Thu, Oct 22, 2015, 3:26 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Seems like the government might want to scrutinize the ownership of
> vendors of funding recipients.  It ought to send up a red flag when 
> they're
> buying lots of things from themselves.
>
>
> On 10/22/2015 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Sounds like this guy it for everyone.
>
>
> Since 2002, Sandwich Isles Communications has collected $242,489,940
> from the federal
> Universal Service Fund to serve no more than 3,659 customers.
> 2
> During that same time, Albert Hee, the
> owner of Sandwich Isles’s parent company Waimana Enterprises and
> affiliate ClearCom, apparently used
> the company as his family’s personal piggy bank. For example, the
> companies apparently paid $96,000
> so that Hee could receive two
> -
> hour massages twice a we
> ek; $119,909 for personal expenses, including
> family trips to Disney World, Tahiti, France, and Switzerland and a
> four
> -
> day family vacation at the
> Mauna Lani resort; $736,900 for college tuition and housing expenses
> for Hee’s three children;
> $1,300,000 for
> a home in Santa Clara, California for his children’s use as college
> housing; and
> $1,676,685 in wages and fringe benefits for his wife and three
> children.
> 3
> That’s not all. When the FCC last looked at Sandwich Isles’s corporate
> expenses, our staff found
> tha
> t it was spending $5,460,973 more on corporate operations each year
> than similarly sized companies,
> with significant management and leasing fees to affiliated companies
> (like Waimana and ClearCom) that
> benefited Hee and his family.
> 4
> On top of all that, sev
> en years ago, Sandwich Isles dropped a $1.9
> -
> million
> -
> a
> -
> year lease it had with
> an independent undersea cable network in favor of a $15
> -
> million
> -
> a
> -
> year lease for a cable network built by
> ClearCom and owned by Paniolo LLC.
> 5
> Unsurprisingly, Paniolo is itself ow
> ned by Blue Ivory LLC,
> which is wholly owned by Blue Ivory Hawaii Corporation, which in turn
> is owned by private trusts of
> Hee’s three children.
> 6
> What is worse, Sandwich Isles appears to no longer be paying what it
> owes to
> Paniolo
> —
> yet is still collecting
> payments from other rural telephone companies as if it were.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
>> Already trying to control the money.  This is why we opted out of
>> getting involved in any form of Government program.  It just allows them 
>> to
>> keep their fingers up your ass and use you as a puppet.
>>
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/isps-reminded-to-not-use-government-money-for-alchohol-and-vacations/
>>
>> Internet service providers who accept government funding in exchange
>> for providing Internet access in rural areas were "reminded" this week 
>> that
>> they're not allowed to use the money for food, alcohol, entertainment,
>> personal travel, and other expenses unrelated to providing Internet 
>> access.
>>
>> The Federal Communications Commission issued a public notice with a
>> "non-exhaustive list of expenditures" that cannot be reimbursed. The list
>> includes all of the above as well as political contributions, charitable
>> donations, scholarships, payment of penalties and fines, club membership
>> fees, sponsorships of conferences and community events, gifts to 
>> employees,
>> and personal expenses of employees and family members "including but not
>> limited to personal expenses for housing, such as rent or mortgages."
>>
>
>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?

[Jeremy]

Well you have to upgrade your M gear to the latest beta...which has those
rules as default doesn't it?  I was wondering the same thing.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I've only looked at airOS 6 a little, but the output power shouldn't
> change on M gear unless you activate the Revised UNII Rules.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Peter,
>>
>> Which version of the Rocket AC are you using on the AP side ?
>>
>> And how are you handling the 'missing channels' 
>>
>> Also, does the firmware reduce the power (as per new OOBE rules) on the M
>> gear ?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Peter Kranz" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 21, 2015 6:32:27 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>
>> Based on my experience so far, backwards compatible AC is a real game
>> changer for those running M networks. A simple AP swap is giving me massive
>> improvements in performance for legacy M clients. I need more data, but it
>> looks like I’m seeing 2x performance overall on loaded sectors. I think
>> this is due to:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.   Faster CPU and Hardware Airmax offload on AC access point
>>
>> 2.   Improved AC RF front-end filtering reducing noise floor on
>> channel
>>
>> 3.   Elimination of the software Airmax energy detect transmit defer
>> issue
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:54 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>
>>
>>
>> We are up and running.49Mbps At 7.3 miles out of a 50mbps feed.  Damn
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> Found them.  Thx
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2015 3:11 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It took some searching for me also...but it's there.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Can't find them. Arrrgh
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2015 2:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looking.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2015 2:23 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I thought B.C. meant before Christ !   so much for the history date
>> lesson.
>>
>> It is my understanding that you need to
>>
>> install the AirOS 8 (beta) on AC radio
>> and install AirOS 6 (beta) on the M Radios
>>
>> for the two to talk to each other.
>>
>> Check the Ubiquiti Beta Forum for more details.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:15:58 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>
>> > BC?
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Brett A Mansfield
>> >
>> >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> with the BC firmware.
>> >>
>> >>> On 10/21/2015 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyone try it?
>> >>>
>> >>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone know where to get the 25" j-mounts UMXL that streakwave carries?

[Jeremy]

Maybe they have improved.  I have never used a flimsier mast in my life.  I
bought 50 of them last year.  I have already had three service calls from
them bending out of alignment in wind, and the thin powder coating is
already turning to rust after only one year.  Plus they all have big ugly
yellow warning stickers on them.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> I've bought nearly all of mine from Skywalker.  They seem fine, in fact
> they're the favorite one to use because of the hole pattern in the base.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been happy with the long masts from Perfect10.tv, but I can
>> absolutely tell you don't ever buy masts from Skywalker!!!
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They are out of stock and no ETA.  Trying to find something equivalent
>>> without going to the DS-3000.  Those are a little more flimsy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>
>>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>>
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net <r...@triadwireless.net>*
>>>
>>> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“Progress always involves risks. You can't steal second base and keep
>>> your foot on first. “~Frederick B. Wilcox*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone know where to get the 25" j-mounts UMXL that streakwave carries?

[Jeremy]

I have been happy with the long masts from Perfect10.tv, but I can
absolutely tell you don't ever buy masts from Skywalker!!!

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> They are out of stock and no ETA.  Trying to find something equivalent
> without going to the DS-3000.  Those are a little more flimsy.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Progress always involves risks. You can't steal second base and keep
> your foot on first. “~Frederick B. Wilcox*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone know where to get the 25" j-mounts UMXL that streakwave carries?

[Jeremy]

These are the masts that come boxed individually, and then four boxes to a
box?

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Been the same for a couple of years to my recollection.  Never had them
> bend, but we don't get much (if any) >70 mph winds.  The powder coating
> seems fine after a couple of years, but it has a dusty feel.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe they have improved.  I have never used a flimsier mast in my life.
>> I bought 50 of them last year.  I have already had three service calls from
>> them bending out of alignment in wind, and the thin powder coating is
>> already turning to rust after only one year.  Plus they all have big ugly
>> yellow warning stickers on them.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've bought nearly all of mine from Skywalker.  They seem fine, in fact
>>> they're the favorite one to use because of the hole pattern in the base.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been happy with the long masts from Perfect10.tv, but I can
>>>> absolutely tell you don't ever buy masts from Skywalker!!!
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They are out of stock and no ETA.  Trying to find something equivalent
>>>>> without going to the DS-3000.  Those are a little more flimsy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>>>
>>>>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>>>
>>>>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>>>>
>>>>> *r...@triadwireless.net <r...@triadwireless.net>*
>>>>>
>>>>> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *“Progress always involves risks. You can't steal second base and keep
>>>>> your foot on first. “~Frederick B. Wilcox*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Serving customers next door to tower

[Jeremy]

On the ones that I cannot get good signal I use a bare loco on both sides,
one pointed up and one pointed down, on a 5MHz channel.  It will usually
still get them 15Mbps, without sacrificing too much spectrum at the tower.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Do you have a cabinet or shelter at the bottom of the tower?  I have been
> considering just putting an omni down there, since it rarely works well
> shooting up at the APs.  At grain legs, I have sometimes done a low powered
> PTP link with something like NS5 Locos just for a scale house, maintenance
> shop, or house right at the leg.  Then you can tilt it down.
>
> I think it’s more than just hearing all the APs, there seem to be problems
> being outside the main lobe of the antenna, plus reflections off tower
> steel, even once you get the signal level to an acceptable point, SNR and
> modulation can be disappointing.
>
> If you’re convinced the only problem is too strong a signal, you could
> always use an external antenna and an inline coax attenuator.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:02 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Serving customers next door to tower
>
> Does anyone have any tips for this?
>
> My only thought process was to do an integrated radio *inside* the office
> building to keep from hearing every AP on the tower.  We've had some issues
> with nearby customers using a Force110/Beam hearing way too much of the
> tower so we moved to Integrated/Nano to solve their problems.
>
> I have a business that needs service and it's literally the same address
> as the tower (150 feet up).  It's 60 feet away to the middle of the office
> but the ends are about 120 feet away.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Serving customers next door to tower

[Jeremy]

I usually throw up a bare loco and turn it all the way down to 4 or -4 or
whatever.  I don't know what you'd do for a EPMP (bare?)

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Same property, big concrete in the way.  Fiber would be way cost
> prohibitive (for their bandwidth needs).  Also, we have no network on the
> ground - it's all 150' up.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> Same property? Bury a fiber to them?
>>
>>
>> On 10/22/2015 12:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have any tips for this?
>>>
>>> My only thought process was to do an integrated radio *inside* the
>>> office building to keep from hearing every AP on the tower. We've had some
>>> issues with nearby customers using a Force110/Beam hearing way too much of
>>> the tower so we moved to Integrated/Nano to solve their problems.
>>>
>>> I have a business that needs service and it's literally the same address
>>> as the tower (150 feet up).  It's 60 feet away to the middle of the office
>>> but the ends are about 120 feet away.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Wages

[Jeremy]

We are a small shop, one installer, $17 per hour (40-hour week - gets time
and a half almost every week). We buy all his tools, fuel, and supply a
truck.  No Insurance benefits at this time. Paid holidays - vacation
probably after year one.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> What are of the US are you in and what is your average hourly rate for an
> installer? What about an installer and tower climber 15-20% of the time?
>
> Any benefits, etc.? Looking for a big picture of what they make in a year
> hourly and benefits they have as well.
>
> Thank you
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] adjustable DIN for rack

[Jeremy]

How about this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cisco-2955-Series-19-Catalyst-Rack-Mount-Kit-/311459329821?hash=item48846c371d:g:WtUAAOSwFnFWEueU

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:

> we use a 2 u wall rack bracket (about 20.00).
> mount backwards on rack, works well & cheap.
>
> roland
>
> > 83 bucks?!?!? Is it not possible to take a $9 stamped sheet steel, 2U or
> 3U
> rack blank panel and bolt a DIN rail to it? All you have to do is drill 3
> holes.
>
> https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=7263
>
> I get that the one you've linked is recessed... That's the main difference.
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:13 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>  wrote:
>
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816129064=N82E16816129
> 064
>
> This is a slick little item, a little pricey for just a din rail. Ive been
> looking for something to offset DIN products, like packetflux gear in our
> bigger enclosures where we have 18 inch deep racks, we can put the DIN on
> the
> front because the gear would hit the door, and putting it clear at the
> back of
> the enclosure would make it a bitch to get to.
>
> Any body know of an offset I'm the 20-30 dollar price range? I'm
> considering
> just cutting sections of rack and fastening it to the back of the front
> rack to
> get a backward offset.
>
> Another thing I'm looking for is 2-4u adjustable depth wall mount racks
> for our
> Hoffman enclosures that are 36x36x11. I have been cutting racks into 4u
> lengths
> and using the 10 billion tranzeo L brackets to set them out 6 inches, but
> it
> takes about 2 hours per rack assembly and looks like shit. plus the depth
> doesn't allow for the mikrotik to be rackmounted, I have shallow 10 inch
> shelves that I can set them on, but it makes the enclosure still sloppy
>
> I found one 6-12 inch 2u adjustable, but it was something like 200 bucks,
> I cant
> justify 400 bucks for 4u.
>
> any ideas?
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part
> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. <
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT

[Jeremy]

They had one at WISPAPALOOZA.  It is like 4 1/2' tall by 1' wide.  A beast
of a sector.

2015-10-15 11:53 GMT-06:00 Peter Kranz :

> https://www.ubnt.com/downloads/datasheets/RocketAC/Rocket_ac_Prism_DS.pdf
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>

Re: [AFMUG] Take down notices/Copyright infringement notices..

[Jeremy]

I forward every one.  I have found that these people usually freak out and
never do it againwhich frees up more bandwidth.  I actually love
catching these guys and forwarding the letters.  Their usage drops
dramatically after they get one.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Steve Discher 
wrote:

> I’m going to chime in because I have had many conversations about this
> with attorneys in my former life as a corporate pilot when I would fly them
> all the place.   I have repented since then.
>
> On the serious side, at the end of the day, consider how your actions of
> lack of action as an ISP look to a jury because that is what really
> matters, not the law per se.  Did you ignore all the notices and do
> nothing?  Probably won’t look good to a jury.  Did you email the customer
> each time, copy yourself, and tell them stop doing bad things or you will
> cut them off?  The latter is probably is considered a reasonable approach
> by a reasonably prudent person which you are right?
>
> My two cents.
>
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Most of them are ones which are not available legally at low or no cost.
> Game of thrones is properly the most common complaint.
>
> Unfortunately for them,  they don't seem to respond to my queries to
> change the email address to one which is correct, instead of sending them
> to my personal email address, which wouldn't be a problem except Google
> calls them spam.
> On Oct 14, 2015 10:26 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> Maybe notices of claimed infringement have entered new territory
>> recently, but I’m pretty sure every one we ever received was accurate.  But
>> I think it’s been a couple years since we received one.
>>
>> With the exception of a handful of cable network shows that are
>> unavailable for streaming, it’s so much easier now to just download it
>> legally.  Plus people want to stream instantly, not download via BT and
>> watch later.  And they want to watch on mobile devices and on their TV via
>> their Roku or Apple TV or streaming stick, not on their PC if they even
>> have one.  I think the few who are still pirating movies to store on their
>> home media server are using tech like VPNs and NNTP.
>>
>> What is different about your customer bases, that you are still getting
>> enough DMCA notices to worry about?  Is this on 900 MHz networks that are
>> too slow for live streaming?  Or is this related to bootleg porn movies?
>>
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:12 PM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Take down notices/Copyright infringement notices..
>>
>>
>> The LAW says that as a conduit we are not legally responsible for
>> infingement which occurs across our networks, as long as we meet some
>> simple requirements, none of which require us to take any action in these
>> notifications.
>>
>> Yes,  anyone can be sued any time.   But the reality is that these email
>> notifications are defective on so many levels that taking any action based
>> on them other than forwarding them onto their apparent recipient with a
>> disclaimer attached could open you up to real liability.  For instance,
>> lending any validity to any claim made by a scammer pretending to be a
>> copyright owner could be perceived by your customer as aiding and abetting
>> in an illegal activity.
>>
>> This discussion needs to be about legal requirements and how to protect
>> ourselves from claims.   I personally feel the piracy going on is wrong,
>> but quite frankly, the emails are allegations, not proof of activities.
>> For example, I've seen notices come in for ip addresses which aren't
>> possible to be  the source because they are from a block we've never had
>> active on our network.  How can I trust these as anything but what they
>> are...  automated detection of a possible infringement which regularly
>> contain errors.
>> On Oct 14, 2015 3:02 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Forrest,
>>>
>>> All things aside. the core basic boils down to the following:-
>>>
>>> First question:Do we agree that Sharing Copyright Content without
>>> the consent of the Copyright owner is against the law ?
>>>
>>> Second question: Do we have the resources, and the willingness to defend
>>> ourselves when named in a lawsuit related to DCMA violation ?
>>> (remember the law in the country allows anyone to be sued for
>>> anything, once you are named, then you have to defend yourself. Yes, the
>>> charges can be dismissed and thrown out of court, but you have to show up
>>> to court, and that costs time and money...)
>>>
>>> Depending how one answers the above two questions, the action required
>>> is pretty simple...
>>>
>>> If you answer the above two as YES, and NO.  Then simply contact your
>>> customer and ask them remove the copyright content, 

Re: [AFMUG] Best way to mount 2 1/2 emt pipe

[Jeremy]

We always called those 'hit pins'.  I like them, but it sucks that you can
never get them out without drilling them out.  I prefer to set expanding
anchors and then bolt to them.  That way you can always remove the nut if
needed.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I am really fond of these concrete anchors that have a lead/tin alloy
> shell with a concrete nail in the center.They have a flat round head and a
> skinny base. Once you pound them in you can't get them out. Very fast to
> install. They are shaped kind of like a round headed Phillips screw with a
> nail through the center. Damn I wish I could remember the name. Kind of
> like the below but bigger and beefier.
> http://www.confast.com/products/metal-hit-anchor.aspx
>
> I always enjoy using the Ramset as well. Probably the fastest but it takes
> two people on a vertical surface. One to hold and the other to set. Its the
> closest you can get to being on the firing range and still working.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Tim Reichhart <
> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>
>> Ok what can I use to attach the unstrut?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best way to mount 2 1/2 emt pipe
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Date: 2015/10/12 17:29:34
>>
>> Unistrut
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tim Reichhart
>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 9:26 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Best way to mount 2 1/2 emt pipe
>>
>> What's the best away to mount an 2 1/2 in emt 10ft pipe to concrete grain
>> silo?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Lewis Bergman
> 325-439-0533 Cell
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Guns etc

[Jeremy]

Wait...I am a far left liberal in red state Utah, but I completely agree
with the Republicans and Constitutionalists when it comes to guns and gun
rights.  So am I still a Libtard or just a Utard??

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 6:12 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Positive Points:
>
> * requiring covering preexisting conditions is, without a doubt, a good
> thing, no?
> (if anything should have been regulated, this is probably good)
>
> * Insurance until you're 26?  Maybe.  Probably as great thing when we
> didn't give kids jobs since there were no jobs, but when that improves
> (does it improve?) is that really a good thing?  For the most part it is
> positive.
>
> I agree, everything else is bad, but those are good points.
>
> That being said - I think Bernie Sanders is a little more socialist than
> the average democrat...
>
> Start cutting the budget, get things in line, and you're a horrible person
> for eliminating jobs that we certainly need.
> You're not a bad person until you take food off THAT guys table
>
> my 2 cents.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Philip Rankin 
> *To:* af 
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2015 3:52 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Guns etc
>
> Since many of you are calling me rude, how about we just reverse that
> logic???  How about all of the damage the liberal logic has done to this
> country in the past say 50 years  Is that not rude?  You know, actually
> it's so far beyond rude, that we can't measure it anymore.  Start with the
> debt, the credit ratings of the country, the backdoor payoff deals, the
> stupidity of laws that cover laws that should not have ever been written in
> the first place.  Or, the stupid recent healthcare law that the majority of
> the population don't want because we were lied to about it.  And then the
> RINOs bailing out their favorite companies after they got their kickbacks?
> And this isn't even the tip of the iceberg. It's all liberal stupidity.
> Notice I didn't say Democrat or Republican?  It's libtards! These folk have
> no concern for their country or their fellow man.  All they want is to line
> their pockets and control people!  Call me rude if you like!  I haven't
> even cracked the door on the rudeness these people have done to all of us
> including many generations to follow us!  And,  while were at it, how about
> all of those babies that will never have an opportunity to join us?  What a
> sickening shame!  No, Travesty!
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Philip Rankin 
> wrote:
>
>> Haven't made my point yet Lewis.  But, saw enough of those that were not
>> in agreement with you in the thread to know that they don't believe in
>> "Certain Inalienable Rights" with government here only to preserve those
>> rights, not impose someone else's stupidity on me.  And, that the libs want
>> someone else to take care of them all of the time.  To me, that's retarded
>> and just plain dumb.  Now that I look at those that have their crazy
>> position and compare that position to their past posts on here, I now
>> understand some of their past posts here!
>>
>> I am not about to let someone shoot me during a convenience store
>> holdup.  I will die with my 45 in hand before I let the bad guy take me or
>> anyone else easily.  Now, to shoot someone as he is driving away with my
>> dvd player as more libtardiness suggested  How dumb! To take a life
>> because someone is a thief???  That's just another liberal ploy adage to
>> try to make others believe that we shouldn't have those inalienable
>> rights.  Life is precious, things, not so much!  But my life is more
>> precious to me than to let someone else try to protect me from halfway
>> across the county (The Police)!
>>
>> So, to make my point about your comment "People assume you are out of
>> salient points to make."  No, I'm just trying to use a concise word that
>> describes all the stupidity that today's liberals have stooped to.  and
>> libtard pretty much does that!
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Come on now. Be civil. You only hurt your own argument when you resort
>>> to name calling. People assume you are out of salient points to make.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015, 1:09 PM Philip Rankin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Especially with all thee libtard views out there today!

 On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 12:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> It is also a great reminder that people in other parts of the country
> do not necessarily share your views.
> Also a great reminder that the founders of this country really did
> know what they were doing.
> For things to happen in this country you have to AGREE...which is
> becoming more and more difficult ;)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chuck McCown 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Guns etc

[Jeremy]

No, I drive jacked up gas guzzling pickup trucks.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 7:14 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net
> wrote:

>
> i don't know...do you use uber?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2015 7:41 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Guns etc
>
> Wait...I am a far left liberal in red state Utah, but I completely agree
> with the Republicans and Constitutionalists when it comes to guns and gun
> rights.  So am I still a Libtard or just a Utard??
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 6:12 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Positive Points:
>>
>> * requiring covering preexisting conditions is, without a doubt, a good
>> thing, no?
>> (if anything should have been regulated, this is probably good)
>>
>> * Insurance until you're 26?  Maybe.  Probably as great thing when we
>> didn't give kids jobs since there were no jobs, but when that improves
>> (does it improve?) is that really a good thing?  For the most part it is
>> positive.
>>
>> I agree, everything else is bad, but those are good points.
>>
>> That being said - I think Bernie Sanders is a little more socialist than
>> the average democrat...
>>
>> Start cutting the budget, get things in line, and you're a horrible
>> person for eliminating jobs that we certainly need.
>> You're not a bad person until you take food off THAT guys table
>>
>> my 2 cents.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Philip Rankin <wireless...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2015 3:52 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Guns etc
>>
>> Since many of you are calling me rude, how about we just reverse that
>> logic???  How about all of the damage the liberal logic has done to this
>> country in the past say 50 years  Is that not rude?  You know, actually
>> it's so far beyond rude, that we can't measure it anymore.  Start with the
>> debt, the credit ratings of the country, the backdoor payoff deals, the
>> stupidity of laws that cover laws that should not have ever been written in
>> the first place.  Or, the stupid recent healthcare law that the majority of
>> the population don't want because we were lied to about it.  And then the
>> RINOs bailing out their favorite companies after they got their kickbacks?
>> And this isn't even the tip of the iceberg. It's all liberal stupidity.
>> Notice I didn't say Democrat or Republican?  It's libtards! These folk have
>> no concern for their country or their fellow man.  All they want is to line
>> their pockets and control people!  Call me rude if you like!  I haven't
>> even cracked the door on the rudeness these people have done to all of us
>> including many generations to follow us!  And,  while were at it, how about
>> all of those babies that will never have an opportunity to join us?  What a
>> sickening shame!  No, Travesty!
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Philip Rankin <wireless...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Haven't made my point yet Lewis.  But, saw enough of those that were not
>>> in agreement with you in the thread to know that they don't believe in
>>> "Certain Inalienable Rights" with government here only to preserve those
>>> rights, not impose someone else's stupidity on me.  And, that the libs want
>>> someone else to take care of them all of the time.  To me, that's retarded
>>> and just plain dumb.  Now that I look at those that have their crazy
>>> position and compare that position to their past posts on here, I now
>>> understand some of their past posts here!
>>>
>>> I am not about to let someone shoot me during a convenience store
>>> holdup.  I will die with my 45 in hand before I let the bad guy take me or
>>> anyone else easily.  Now, to shoot someone as he is driving away with my
>>> dvd player as more libtardiness suggested  How dumb! To take a life
>>> because someone is a thief???  That's just another liberal ploy adage to
>>> try to make others believe that we shouldn't have those inalienable
>>> rights.  Life is precious, things, not so much!  But my life is more
>>> precious to me than to let someone else try to protect me from halfway
>>> across the county (The Police)!
>>>
>>> So, to make my point about your comment "People assume you are out of
>>> salient points to make."  No, I'm just trying to use a co

Re: [AFMUG] Netflix bandwidth

[Jeremy]

To watch 'free' Hulu on TV you have to use PlayOn from a home server to
transcode it.  Hulu Plus is the only one that allows TV viewing, and has
higher resolutions, more episodes (like a full season), and the pay version
actually has less TV shows (as the licensing doesn't allow certain shows on
a TV set).

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:42 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Hulu is only available in the US as well … Netflix is in many countries
> including for example Canada where streaming concentration is much higher.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 8, 2015 4:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netflix bandwidth
>
>
>
> hulu for tv series, Netflix for movies, series episodes are short compared
> to two hours on movies, 2-4x the capacity per item, so you binge watch your
> series, then watch 22 movies
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Popularity, it's got to be.  Netflix was the first to the game and they
> gobbled up the market real quick.  Why would you get Hulu when you have
> Netflix?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 4:13 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> SoI have to ask.  Is Hulu that more efficient than Netflix or does
> hulu just have a fraction of the popularity of Netflix?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netflix bandwidth
> Date: Thu, Oct 8, 2015 2:47 PM
>
>
>
> This article alone discounts the internet as a basic human right. 36
> percent of the infrastructure is dedicated to a single service provider.
> People have a problem making Netflix pay. But yet around here, where the
> windfarms go up, they have no problem demanding that the windfarm companies
> replace the roads and bridges they use.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
> Here's a quick story about the amount of bandwidth Netflix uses:
>
> http://fortune.com/2015/10/08/netflix-bandwith/?xid=yahoo_fortune
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] New to VoIP

[Jeremy]

Mostly residential...some commercial.  I want to do more commercial but the
amount of time spent on customer service changing pbx/phone/line/extension
configurations doesn't seem justified.  If we had a call center that
understood these issues and this platform it might make sense, but with me
still taking all the calls it definitely seems like a headache that I don't
want.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

> It's more stuff to troubleshoot definitely.   Jeremy, are your VOIP
> customers residential or commercial?
>
> Jeremy wrote:
>
>> We make a small amount of money, with fairly decent margins, but hardly
>> enough to be worth the additional tax burden and ridiculous amounts of
>> regulatory red tape.  I wonder why???  continuously.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com <mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The only advice I have is DON'T! There is no money in it! I
>> recommend Ooma Office to my business customers. Everyone who has
>> gone that route has been very happy with it. And it's really cheap
>> comparatively.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Jon Paul Kelley
>> <jpkel...@ckswireless.com <mailto:jpkel...@ckswireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> As the title states, I am inching closer to offer VoIP as a
>>> service through my WISP. I am wondering if any of you have some
>>> wisdom you might be willing to part with before I embark on this
>>> endeavor. I, of course, have some exposure to VoIP, but not a
>>> great deal. I have VoIP phones in my office, but someone else
>>> manages the server for me.
>>>
>>> What companies would you guys recommend using to get me setup and
>>> running. I have several businesses that are interested in phone
>>> service and I need to figure something out.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>
>>> CKS Wireless
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New to VoIP

[Jeremy]

We make a small amount of money, with fairly decent margins, but hardly
enough to be worth the additional tax burden and ridiculous amounts of
regulatory red tape.  I wonder why???  continuously.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> The only advice I have is DON'T! There is no money in it! I recommend Ooma
> Office to my business customers. Everyone who has gone that route has been
> very happy with it. And it's really cheap comparatively.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Jon Paul Kelley 
> wrote:
>
> As the title states, I am inching closer to offer VoIP as a service
> through my WISP. I am wondering if any of you have some wisdom you might be
> willing to part with before I embark on this endeavor. I, of course, have
> some exposure to VoIP, but not a great deal. I have VoIP phones in my
> office, but someone else manages the server for me.
>
>
>
> What companies would you guys recommend using to get me setup and running.
> I have several businesses that are interested in phone service and I need
> to figure something out.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jon Paul Kelley
>
> CKS Wireless
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade

[Jeremy]

I would not expect -86 and -89 to stay connected, on any firmware.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Justin Marshall  wrote:

> Sorry,
>
>
>
> That should have read:
>
> This AP originally had 6 SM’s connected at *5690*
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Justin Marshall
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 3:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Client can't connect since UBNT 5.6.2 Firmware upgrade
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
>
>
> I recently updated a UBNT Rocket M5 to 5.6.2 from 5.5.4. Since this
> update, one of the clients will not connect.
>
>
>
> This AP originally had 6 SM’s connected at 5490.  After the upgrade from
> 5.5.4 to 5.6.2, 2 of the SM’s didn’t come back.  These 2 were not at the
> best signal (-86 and -89).  If I swapped frequencies to 5740 the 1
> connected at -86 popped back up at an -88 and the other SM’s are ~-2 db.
> But still no sign of the one that was at -89.
>
>
>
> This led me to believe UBNT probably lowered the output power for DFS
> frequencies somewhere between 5.5.4 and 5.6.2…
>
>
>
> One would think that downgrading the SM’s and AP back down to 5.5.4 would
> put things back the way they were but that doesn’t seem to be the case.
>
>
>
> I even sent a tech onsite to swap out the unreachable SM with one that had
> 5.5.4 on it.  He said the one with 5.5.4 and the one with 5.6.2 both see
> the AP at -89 under “Site survey” but won’t register to the AP.
>
>
>
> I’m at a loss here… Does anyone have any suggestions of things to try, or
> a magic firmware version (folks on the UBNT forums say 5.5.4 is best for
> DFS frequencies) that might make this AP act the way it did prior to
> upgrading to 5.6.2?
>
> I’ve already tried every other 5 Ghz Frequency available (with a mix of
> different country codes), most with worse results.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Justin
>
> just...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bandwidth Overages

[Jeremy]

300GB per month, .50 cents per GB thereafter

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Matt  wrote:

> For those doing bandwidth quotas what and how are you charging for
> overages?
>

Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty

[Jeremy]

I think you are on to something there Chuck!  Interactive drone shooting.
It would definitely be a hit here in Utah...

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I see the hawk-vs-drone and kangaroo-vs-drone videos on Youtube, and think
> you just need a trained hawk.  Or kangaroo.  I don’t know what happened to
> that guy’s drone, officer, I think it had a run-in with some wildlife.
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 6:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty
>
> Also charge folks to be the drone pilot so  it pits human against human.
> I would pay...
>
> Hmmm, what do cheap drones cost?
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 5:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty
>
> Perhaps if you posted “no drone zone” like no trespassing signs
> I think it would be fun to shoot at them.  I am wondering if it would be
> possible to create a line of drones with titanium armor over the expensive
> bits (motors, batteries, electronics) and have lots of spare parts.  Make a
> shooting range where folks can pay to blast a drone out of the sky.  Costs
> more if they have a camera...
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 5:29 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty
>
> Seems to me just make them stay below real aircraft and make it legal to
> destroy or catch them if they're over private property without permission,
> and everyone is happy.
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 5:37 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Airport exclusion zone would be important.  I would like to limit them to
>> 250 feet.  If someone is practicing emergency landings in a rural area, 500
>> feet could ruin their day.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2015 4:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty
>>
>> As a pilot I really don't want a drone above 500 feet agl in my
>> airspace.  There is already a lot going on and it's hard enough to spot a
>> Cessna or even a king air let alone a tiny drone that can do a lot more
>> damage than a bird strike.
>>
>> We need the faa and nasa to define rules and design the necessary
>> equipment to keep the national airspace safe.  (Yes I said nasa...national
>> AERONAUTICAL  and space administration.  They help invent the technology
>> that the faa uses ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly my feelings. I'm perfectly fine with allowing them to do
>>> whatever they want following existing aircraft rules, but that means they
>>> stay above 500', be licensed and everything else that goes along with that.
>>> I'm also fine with commercial drones being allowed to follow the
>>> existing rules for private/hobby (which would mean they'd have to stay
>>> under 500', which it doesn't sound like was the case here) if, and only if,
>>> I'm allowed to shoot them down if they fly over my property without
>>> permission.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:13 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thatoneguyst...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>>
 If they had to follow existing aircraft rules, perfect with the caveat
 of them being over private property without consent, you should be able to
 destroy them

 On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Mike Hammett <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:

> I have the complete opposite position. Not trolling, that's just how I
> feel. Apply existing regulations where appropriate. Nothing new is 
> required.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thatoneguyst...@gmail.com');>
> *To: *javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 7, 2015 3:31:29 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FAA levies $1.9 M civil penalty
>
>
> good, I hope they go bankrupt. These drones need to get reigned in,
> and it needs to be legal to shoot them down. Assholes have been
> disrespectful with these things from day one
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Hardy, Tim <
> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tha...@comsearch.com');> wrote:
>
>> The Federal Aviation Administration wants to levy the “largest civil
>> penalty” it has proposed against an unmanned aircraft system
>> operator “for endangering the safety of our airspace” by operating drones
>> in a “careless or reckless manner,” the agency said in a Tuesday
>> announcement. The proposed $1.9 million civil penalty against SkyPan
>> International of Chicago alleges that 

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks

[Jeremy]

I found these, but again striking out on distribution
http://hyperline.com/product/category-5e-keystone-jack-rj-45-8p8c-tool-less-shielded/

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> shielded couplers that go into a keystone mount is what I do... it costs
> about the same and our techs know how to crimp an RJ45 on so it makes it
> easier for everyone.
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> I have tried many and hated them all.  Closest I found was some Signamax
>> jacks I bought from Accu-Tech in Romeoville, IL.
>>
>> I’m not sure I follow what Josh is saying, but maybe same as what I would
>> probably do.  I know how to crimp on a shielded RJ45 plug, and they make
>> shielded pass-through keystone jacks.  Basically a panel mount inline
>> coupler.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:07 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks
>>
>> If it's outside what I do is RJ45-ECS (they changed to shielded a while
>> back, same part number) and that goes to a WB SS.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer Union Special Tech keystone jacks, but holy crap they are hard
>>> to find in the US!  For their shielded jacks, they have a little lock ring
>>> that locks the cable down tight (strain relief), and provides an awesome
>>> ground.  That strain relief looks like this
>>> http://www.netkey.ru/content/img/wmc_pictures/2008/9/img/kj2-c6-sh-f-wh.jpg
>>>
>>> That model is KJ2-C5E-FS, and I am having an extremely difficult time
>>> finding it.  I have found these in the past for around $1 ea.  All I am
>>> finding now are these crappy ones that I can't stand for around $2-3 ea.
>>> https://www.firefold.com/cat5e-keystone-jack-110-shielded?gclid=CIztiaGOrsgCFc-FfgodwGsLwg
>>>
>>> What are you guys using for shielded keystone jacks?  Any good sources
>>> for them at reasonable prices?  I am looking to buy 1000.  I have contacted
>>> the manufacturer in Taiwan on multiple occasions and do not get a reply.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks

[Jeremy]

I prefer Union Special Tech keystone jacks, but holy crap they are hard to
find in the US!  For their shielded jacks, they have a little lock ring
that locks the cable down tight (strain relief), and provides an awesome
ground.  That strain relief looks like this
http://www.netkey.ru/content/img/wmc_pictures/2008/9/img/kj2-c6-sh-f-wh.jpg

That model is KJ2-C5E-FS, and I am having an extremely difficult time
finding it.  I have found these in the past for around $1 ea.  All I am
finding now are these crappy ones that I can't stand for around $2-3 ea.
https://www.firefold.com/cat5e-keystone-jack-110-shielded?gclid=CIztiaGOrsgCFc-FfgodwGsLwg

What are you guys using for shielded keystone jacks?  Any good sources for
them at reasonable prices?  I am looking to buy 1000.  I have contacted the
manufacturer in Taiwan on multiple occasions and do not get a reply.

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks

[Jeremy]

Yes, we do not install a surge suppressor at our installs.  The Ubiquiti
POE has some surge suppression, when installed correctly.  We drill a 3/8"
hole with grommet on the outside, and cut in a wallplate on the inside,
with a low voltage box.  We use a shielded patch cable to the POE and
unshielded out to the router.  This saves us countless service calls from
routers dying in lightning storms.  It also protects the radio from
near-field ESDs.  We expect to occasionally lose a POE but we haven't yet.
The ONLY issues with dead routers, NICs, and radios that we have ever had
have been the homes where we tied into the unshielded cat5 that was stubbed
out by the contractor, and lost the ground.

On those jobs we are considering adding a surge protector, but we have run
into many issues with how to go about that.  The previous company that I
worked for hit multiple gas lines and sprinkler lines before they gave up
pounding ground rods in.  So we could look at scheduling Blue Stakes before
every install, or require a site survey first, then determine if we need
Blue Stakes, then we are still likely to occasionally hit something.  This
adds a ton of wait time and multiple trips to every potential install.
Then comes the issue of meeting Electrical code.  Any ground that we add
needs to be bonded to the house ground, and only a master electrician who
is certified can legally make that connection.  Then comes the liability
involved with us just doing it anyway.  For now we go with this method, and
it works, looks clean, and saves equipment.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jeremy,
>
>
>
> I’m lost.  Why do you use shielded keystone jacks on every install?
>
>
>
> Use a surge suppressor on the outside of the house.  Shielded cable to
> that.  Unshielded cable from the surge suppressor to inside the house (I
> assume your installing a keystone jack in the wall, which is certainly
> above and beyond and a nice touch).
>
>
>
> I know most WISP’s pull the cable straight thru.  When I was an installer
> I was a contractor (Mesa Networks didn’t use employee installers) and I
> would charge customers $15 to install a keystone and a faceplate.  Took me
> maybe an additional 5 minutes, but customers loved how much nicer it looked
> and the ISP (Mesa) didn’t care.  Was an extra $45 to $60 I made a day (and
> materials are cheap).
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: Twitter
> <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks
>
>
>
> Nope, we use these on every install.  We need cheap.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> If this is for a high density patch panel application, I guess I would
> tend toward Panduit.  Good stuff, ain’t cheap though.
>
>
> http://www.panduit.com/heiler/InstallInstructions/N-COPN--399--RevG--ENG.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:26 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks
>
>
>
> Line from the radio goes to your RJ45-ECS.  The ECS in our case goes to
> our NEMA enclosure.
>
>
>
> If you're trying to a rackmounted patch panel the ECS isn't a solution,
> but I thought I'd offer my solution for this problem.
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> I have tried many and hated them all.  Closest I found was some Signamax
> jacks I bought from Accu-Tech in Romeoville, IL.
>
>
>
> I’m not sure I follow what Josh is saying, but maybe same as what I would
> probably do.  I know how to crimp on a shielded RJ45 plug, and they make
> shielded pass-through keystone jacks.  Basically a panel mount inline
> coupler.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:07 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks
>
>
>
> If it's outside what I do is RJ45-ECS (they changed to shielded a while
> back, same part number) and that goes to a WB SS.
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 133

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks

[Jeremy]

Does anyone here have any experience with the punchdown / quick termination
tools for keystone jacks?  Like this:

http://www.primuscable.com/store/p/9736-Punch-Down-Tool-Rapid-Termination-Tool-for-MIG-180-Keystone-Jacks.aspx

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, we do not install a surge suppressor at our installs.  The Ubiquiti
> POE has some surge suppression, when installed correctly.  We drill a 3/8"
> hole with grommet on the outside, and cut in a wallplate on the inside,
> with a low voltage box.  We use a shielded patch cable to the POE and
> unshielded out to the router.  This saves us countless service calls from
> routers dying in lightning storms.  It also protects the radio from
> near-field ESDs.  We expect to occasionally lose a POE but we haven't yet.
> The ONLY issues with dead routers, NICs, and radios that we have ever had
> have been the homes where we tied into the unshielded cat5 that was stubbed
> out by the contractor, and lost the ground.
>
> On those jobs we are considering adding a surge protector, but we have run
> into many issues with how to go about that.  The previous company that I
> worked for hit multiple gas lines and sprinkler lines before they gave up
> pounding ground rods in.  So we could look at scheduling Blue Stakes before
> every install, or require a site survey first, then determine if we need
> Blue Stakes, then we are still likely to occasionally hit something.  This
> adds a ton of wait time and multiple trips to every potential install.
> Then comes the issue of meeting Electrical code.  Any ground that we add
> needs to be bonded to the house ground, and only a master electrician who
> is certified can legally make that connection.  Then comes the liability
> involved with us just doing it anyway.  For now we go with this method, and
> it works, looks clean, and saves equipment.
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeremy,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m lost.  Why do you use shielded keystone jacks on every install?
>>
>>
>>
>> Use a surge suppressor on the outside of the house.  Shielded cable to
>> that.  Unshielded cable from the surge suppressor to inside the house (I
>> assume your installing a keystone jack in the wall, which is certainly
>> above and beyond and a nice touch).
>>
>>
>>
>> I know most WISP’s pull the cable straight thru.  When I was an installer
>> I was a contractor (Mesa Networks didn’t use employee installers) and I
>> would charge customers $15 to install a keystone and a faceplate.  Took me
>> maybe an additional 5 minutes, but customers loved how much nicer it looked
>> and the ISP (Mesa) didn’t care.  Was an extra $45 to $60 I made a day (and
>> materials are cheap).
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: Twitter
>> <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks
>>
>>
>>
>> Nope, we use these on every install.  We need cheap.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> If this is for a high density patch panel application, I guess I would
>> tend toward Panduit.  Good stuff, ain’t cheap though.
>>
>>
>> http://www.panduit.com/heiler/InstallInstructions/N-COPN--399--RevG--ENG.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:26 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks
>>
>>
>>
>> Line from the radio goes to your RJ45-ECS.  The ECS in our case goes to
>> our NEMA enclosure.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're trying to a rackmounted patch panel the ECS isn't a solution,
>> but I thought I'd offer my solution for this problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have tried many and hated them all.  Closest I found was some Sig

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks

[Jeremy]

Ok, it looks like the Hyperline are available for about $3.80 ea. if you
buy 1K.  The other ones are .10 - $1 each from Taiwan, but it is hard for
me to trust my credit card to most of the cheesy looking websites that I
cannot translate.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nope, we use these on every install.  We need cheap.
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> If this is for a high density patch panel application, I guess I would
>> tend toward Panduit.  Good stuff, ain’t cheap though.
>>
>> http://www.panduit.com/heiler/InstallInstructions/N-COPN--399--RevG--ENG.pdf
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:26 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks
>>
>> Line from the radio goes to your RJ45-ECS.  The ECS in our case goes to
>> our NEMA enclosure.
>>
>> If you're trying to a rackmounted patch panel the ECS isn't a solution,
>> but I thought I'd offer my solution for this problem.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have tried many and hated them all.  Closest I found was some Signamax
>>> jacks I bought from Accu-Tech in Romeoville, IL.
>>>
>>> I’m not sure I follow what Josh is saying, but maybe same as what I
>>> would probably do.  I know how to crimp on a shielded RJ45 plug, and they
>>> make shielded pass-through keystone jacks.  Basically a panel mount inline
>>> coupler.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:07 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks
>>>
>>> If it's outside what I do is RJ45-ECS (they changed to shielded a while
>>> back, same part number) and that goes to a WB SS.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I prefer Union Special Tech keystone jacks, but holy crap they are hard
>>>> to find in the US!  For their shielded jacks, they have a little lock ring
>>>> that locks the cable down tight (strain relief), and provides an awesome
>>>> ground.  That strain relief looks like this
>>>> http://www.netkey.ru/content/img/wmc_pictures/2008/9/img/kj2-c6-sh-f-wh.jpg
>>>>
>>>> That model is KJ2-C5E-FS, and I am having an extremely difficult time
>>>> finding it.  I have found these in the past for around $1 ea.  All I am
>>>> finding now are these crappy ones that I can't stand for around $2-3 ea.
>>>> https://www.firefold.com/cat5e-keystone-jack-110-shielded?gclid=CIztiaGOrsgCFc-FfgodwGsLwg
>>>>
>>>> What are you guys using for shielded keystone jacks?  Any good sources
>>>> for them at reasonable prices?  I am looking to buy 1000.  I have contacted
>>>> the manufacturer in Taiwan on multiple occasions and do not get a reply.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks

[Jeremy]

Nope, we use these on every install.  We need cheap.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> If this is for a high density patch panel application, I guess I would
> tend toward Panduit.  Good stuff, ain’t cheap though.
>
> http://www.panduit.com/heiler/InstallInstructions/N-COPN--399--RevG--ENG.pdf
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks
>
> Line from the radio goes to your RJ45-ECS.  The ECS in our case goes to
> our NEMA enclosure.
>
> If you're trying to a rackmounted patch panel the ECS isn't a solution,
> but I thought I'd offer my solution for this problem.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> I have tried many and hated them all.  Closest I found was some Signamax
>> jacks I bought from Accu-Tech in Romeoville, IL.
>>
>> I’m not sure I follow what Josh is saying, but maybe same as what I would
>> probably do.  I know how to crimp on a shielded RJ45 plug, and they make
>> shielded pass-through keystone jacks.  Basically a panel mount inline
>> coupler.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:07 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks
>>
>> If it's outside what I do is RJ45-ECS (they changed to shielded a while
>> back, same part number) and that goes to a WB SS.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer Union Special Tech keystone jacks, but holy crap they are hard
>>> to find in the US!  For their shielded jacks, they have a little lock ring
>>> that locks the cable down tight (strain relief), and provides an awesome
>>> ground.  That strain relief looks like this
>>> http://www.netkey.ru/content/img/wmc_pictures/2008/9/img/kj2-c6-sh-f-wh.jpg
>>>
>>> That model is KJ2-C5E-FS, and I am having an extremely difficult time
>>> finding it.  I have found these in the past for around $1 ea.  All I am
>>> finding now are these crappy ones that I can't stand for around $2-3 ea.
>>> https://www.firefold.com/cat5e-keystone-jack-110-shielded?gclid=CIztiaGOrsgCFc-FfgodwGsLwg
>>>
>>> What are you guys using for shielded keystone jacks?  Any good sources
>>> for them at reasonable prices?  I am looking to buy 1000.  I have contacted
>>> the manufacturer in Taiwan on multiple occasions and do not get a reply.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Jeremy]

Our state (Utah) has allocated funds and is continuing the Utah Broadband
Mapping Initiative (brodband.utah.gov/map/).  They called me recently for a
map update.  I mentioned that it is all on the 477 map now and she said
they were continuing to update the local map independently of the 477 map.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> The National Broadband Map program was funded through the ARRA program and
> was under the control of the NTIA. That grant funding did not get renewed
> so as of the end of 2014 that state and national broadband map program
> stopped. The solution to continue to collect broadband deployment data was
> rolled in to the FCC form 477 program. That is where you have the new
> additional requirement to report not only your customer my census tract,
> but that you now have to report by law your service areas by census block.
> The census block service area data will become public information but your
> customer tract data still remains protected under NDA.
>
>
>
> If the FCC only has one person on the mapping program that would explain
> why you all seem to get notices so long after a filing if there are issues
> AND it also explains why there have been to releases to date of the block
> level coverage data for carriers by the FCC. That means the most current
> broadband deployment data available is from the national broadband map and
> that last round of data was collected and turned in to the NTIA in
> September of last year. That data has been published.
>
>
>
> Some states have continued to work on their mapping programs by requesting
> from carriers their latest 477 block level data, but there is no national
> effort to do so outside of the FCC.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>
>
>
> I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map
> for "information".
>
> I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama
> broadband meeting / briefing today.
>
>
>
> At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with personnel
> from the FCC the National Broadband Map.
>
> Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* employee working on that map
> and to not expect it to be updated anytime soon.
>
>
>
> There was, and I quote, "little to no funding..." for the project.
>
>
>
> FYI.
>
> grain of salt.
>
> take it or leave it.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:28 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
>
>
> Ouch, that Farm Futures article is pretty awful.  Probably what passes for
> journalism today.
>
> I hope you weren't too harsh on her.  Probably some gig economy writer
> paid
> a penny a word or something?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Harnish
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> I contacted Peter Maher at Netwurx about the article.  They are close.
> Maybe that is who Matthew Howard works for.
>
> http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed
>
> I also wrote an email to Jessica Michael at Farm Futures about her lack of
> knowledge about the Wisp industry yesterday.  I haven't heard back from
> her
> yet.
>
> http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
> 260-307-4000 cell
> Skype: rick.harnish.Twitter:
> @rharnish
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:43 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
> >
> > Contact Ars... have them update the site saying that Wireless can solve
> a
> > lot
> > of these problems for a fraction of the price.   It'll be a good piece
> > they can do
> > on the wireless industry.  Find the name of the guy who wrote the
> article.
> > ahhh his email is  jon.brod...@arstechnica.com
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mathew Howard" 
> > To: "af" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:28:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
> >
> > I'll just skimmed through the article... We might be able to get there,
> > I'll see if
> > I can figure out where exactly it is.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Steve  

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Jeremy]

Actually, radio stations do pay for non-exclusive rights to broadcast the
songs that they play.  They have their own licensing model similar to many
other types of broadcasts.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
> without license.
>
> That's a different animal.  Presumably you lose a sale for every sale of
> the counterfeit unit.  Unauthorized public performances might raise
> awareness of an artist's work and conceivable *increase* sales.  A radio
> station doesn't need license to play music on the air.  The artists and
> recording companies recognize that being on the radio makes them more
> popular and thus helps them sell tickets and/or recordings.  In theory,
> being on some Company's hold music should have the same effect.
>
> Mind youI do my best to follow the law.  I even come to a complete
> stop at stop signs.  I encourage customers to follow the law as well,
> especially when I'm speaking as an agent of my employer.  I'm just pointing
> out that sometimes following the law feels silly.
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2015 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.
> But that is a practical tangible physical answer.
>
> The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual property is a
> “market replacement” and they have suffered financial harm, they were
> damaged.
>
> If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other than going
> to the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they would not be able to
> get it.  In those days the control of the property was pretty easy.
>
> Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance.  Mazak got into hot
> water along with some of their customers in the early days of these IP wars
> too.  The artist deserves to be compensated for the use of their creation.
> Just like a patent.
>
> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
> without license.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> I had the same issue with some PBX customers.
>
> I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick from
> it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist playing some
> of those 18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.
>
> At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob Marley
> CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can lead a horse
> to water, but you can't stop him from peeing in it.or something like
> that.
>
>
>
> in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them to
> understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost per
> track or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea of
> shelling out any money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their
> time and yours is free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending
> time obsessing over it, but spending something like $129 for an unlimited
> subscription to a catalog of on hold music is too much money to do it
> legally?
>
> My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they get
> sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something about your
> hold times?  Or record your own content, like if you have radio
> commercials.  But really, the purpose of MOH is to be non-intrusive while
> telling the caller they have not been disconnected.  Not to compete with
> Pandora and Spotify.
>
> Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> Ha!
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> (For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip
> server temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)
>
> Image attached
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR

[Jeremy]

Blanket licensing for radio stations:
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-licensing3.htm

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Case in point, which might even be back on the original topic, Is Rick
> Astley damaged by "Rick Roll" videos?
> He was out of the public eye for years until Rickrolling became a thing on
> 4Chan and then suddenly the very next year he has a gig in the Macy's
> Thanksgiving Parade.
>
> On 10/2/2015 12:15 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
> without license.
>
> That's a different animal.  Presumably you lose a sale for every sale of
> the counterfeit unit.  Unauthorized public performances might raise
> awareness of an artist's work and conceivable *increase* sales.  A radio
> station doesn't need license to play music on the air.  The artists and
> recording companies recognize that being on the radio makes them more
> popular and thus helps them sell tickets and/or recordings.  In theory,
> being on some Company's hold music should have the same effect.
>
> Mind youI do my best to follow the law.  I even come to a complete
> stop at stop signs.  I encourage customers to follow the law as well,
> especially when I'm speaking as an agent of my employer.  I'm just pointing
> out that sometimes following the law feels silly.
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2015 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.
> But that is a practical tangible physical answer.
>
> The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual property is a
> “market replacement” and they have suffered financial harm, they were
> damaged.
>
> If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other than going
> to the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they would not be able to
> get it.  In those days the control of the property was pretty easy.
>
> Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance.  Mazak got into hot
> water along with some of their customers in the early days of these IP wars
> too.  The artist deserves to be compensated for the use of their creation.
> Just like a patent.
>
> How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger antennas
> without license.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> I had the same issue with some PBX customers.
>
> I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they pick from
> it.  One customer was a church that recorded their own pianist playing some
> of those 18th century hymns that nobody owns anymore.
>
> At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their Bob Marley
> CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked.  You can lead a horse
> to water, but you can't stop him from peeing in it.or something like
> that.
>
>
>
> in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is getting them to
> understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be licensed.  The cost per
> track or for a subscription is usually pretty small, but the idea of
> shelling out any money at all seems to be a showstopper.  (Of course, their
> time and yours is free.)  Seriously, the owner of the business is spending
> time obsessing over it, but spending something like $129 for an unlimited
> subscription to a catalog of on hold music is too much money to do it
> legally?
>
> My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold they get
> sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do something about your
> hold times?  Or record your own content, like if you have radio
> commercials.  But really, the purpose of MOH is to be non-intrusive while
> telling the caller they have not been disconnected.  Not to compete with
> Pandora and Spotify.
>
> Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> Ha!
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing asterisk IVR
>
> (For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of my voip
> server temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)
>
> Image attached
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Jeremy]

The state is so much easier than the FCC.  I just send them a basic .kmz
file

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
wrote:

> Since the FCC has yet to release any of the 477 public data, you could
> easily send the state your census blocks file. They would at least keep the
> state map updated that way. They can easily process that same file.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 10:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>
>
>
> Our state (Utah) has allocated funds and is continuing the Utah Broadband
> Mapping Initiative (brodband.utah.gov/map/).  They called me recently for
> a map update.  I mentioned that it is all on the 477 map now and she said
> they were continuing to update the local map independently of the 477 map.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> wrote:
>
> The National Broadband Map program was funded through the ARRA program and
> was under the control of the NTIA. That grant funding did not get renewed
> so as of the end of 2014 that state and national broadband map program
> stopped. The solution to continue to collect broadband deployment data was
> rolled in to the FCC form 477 program. That is where you have the new
> additional requirement to report not only your customer my census tract,
> but that you now have to report by law your service areas by census block.
> The census block service area data will become public information but your
> customer tract data still remains protected under NDA.
>
>
>
> If the FCC only has one person on the mapping program that would explain
> why you all seem to get notices so long after a filing if there are issues
> AND it also explains why there have been to releases to date of the block
> level coverage data for carriers by the FCC. That means the most current
> broadband deployment data available is from the national broadband map and
> that last round of data was collected and turned in to the NTIA in
> September of last year. That data has been published.
>
>
>
> Some states have continued to work on their mapping programs by requesting
> from carriers their latest 477 block level data, but there is no national
> effort to do so outside of the FCC.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>
>
>
> I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map
> for "information".
>
> I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama
> broadband meeting / briefing today.
>
>
>
> At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with personnel
> from the FCC the National Broadband Map.
>
> Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* employee working on that map
> and to not expect it to be updated anytime soon.
>
>
>
> There was, and I quote, "little to no funding..." for the project.
>
>
>
> FYI.
>
> grain of salt.
>
> take it or leave it.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:28 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
>
>
> Ouch, that Farm Futures article is pretty awful.  Probably what passes for
> journalism today.
>
> I hope you weren't too harsh on her.  Probably some gig economy writer
> paid
> a penny a word or something?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Harnish
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> I contacted Peter Maher at Netwurx about the article.  They are close.
> Maybe that is who Matthew Howard works for.
>
> http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed
>
> I also

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Jeremy]

I do the export from my billing system for the FCC, but it doesn't yet
support VoIP.. So those customers have to be accounted for and put into
each tract and entered manually.  Come on Powercode!  Add a VoIP export
option!

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Billing system export to the FCC, that is.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> ------
> *From: *"Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, October 2, 2015 5:08:44 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>
> The state is so much easier than the FCC.  I just send them a basic .kmz
> file
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Since the FCC has yet to release any of the 477 public data, you could
>> easily send the state your census blocks file. They would at least keep the
>> state map updated that way. They can easily process that same file.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
>>
>> Cooperstown, NY 13326
>>
>> (607) 643-4055 Office
>>
>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>>
>> (208) 692-1898 Fax
>> Skype: Radiowebst
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 10:14 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>>
>>
>>
>> Our state (Utah) has allocated funds and is continuing the Utah Broadband
>> Mapping Initiative (brodband.utah.gov/map/).  They called me recently
>> for a map update.  I mentioned that it is all on the 477 map now and she
>> said they were continuing to update the local map independently of the 477
>> map.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The National Broadband Map program was funded through the ARRA program
>> and was under the control of the NTIA. That grant funding did not get
>> renewed so as of the end of 2014 that state and national broadband map
>> program stopped. The solution to continue to collect broadband deployment
>> data was rolled in to the FCC form 477 program. That is where you have the
>> new additional requirement to report not only your customer my census
>> tract, but that you now have to report by law your service areas by census
>> block. The census block service area data will become public information
>> but your customer tract data still remains protected under NDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> If the FCC only has one person on the mapping program that would explain
>> why you all seem to get notices so long after a filing if there are issues
>> AND it also explains why there have been to releases to date of the block
>> level coverage data for carriers by the FCC. That means the most current
>> broadband deployment data available is from the national broadband map and
>> that last round of data was collected and turned in to the NTIA in
>> September of last year. That data has been published.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some states have continued to work on their mapping programs by
>> requesting from carriers their latest 477 block level data, but there is no
>> national effort to do so outside of the FCC.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map
>>
>>
>>
>> I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map
>> for "information".
>>
>> I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama
>> broadband meeting / briefing today.
>>
>>
>>
>> At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with
>> personnel from the FCC the National Broadband Map.
>>
>> Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* emp

Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers

[Jeremy]

Ok, the stacks are abandoned and not in use.  Crane with a man basket for a
day is $800, half a day is $400.  The inside is pretty dirty, and I have no
intention of going inside of it.  I am planning to run shielded liquitite
up the side.  I don't want to put breakout boxes every 10-15' like I do on
towers, so I'll probably run a steel cable with the wire attached through
the conduit, to support the cable weight.

So the trolley idea is for changing the light at the top, if required?
That seems like it would work.  The whole thing may turn out to exceed the
cost of just going up on the commercial towers next to it.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I would build a rubber tired trolley that will roll up the side of the
> smokestack.  You can lower it to work on the radios and use the cable to
> pull it back up.  Then you only need to go up and attach the pulley one
> time.  If there is no activity in the smokestack, you can run the cable up
> the inside.  Depending on the diameter, you could build some kind of spider
> type of thing with spring loaded legs to span the inside and get pulled up
> too.  Then it would be stealthy.
>
> I would love to work on this idea.
>
> I did a tower like this.  Used one of those lighting fixtures common at
> major freeway interchanges.  The whole lighting structure lowers on a
> trolly.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers
>
>
> The biggest lift I’ve seen is around 180’.  From there you are looking at
> a crane for $10K per day.   Almost cheaper to get a helicopter at that
> point.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers
>
>
>
> You can build a 300 for tower cheaper than putting a caged last on that
> thing. I think you are on the right track. Insurance and backups. Insurance
> should be cheap adding it to what you already have. Maybe a cheaper
> alternative if you want to be able to climb it are pegs and a safety climb.
> Pegs with epoxy would take about two minutes each, one every eighteen
> inches, a hard full days work.
>
> I did something similar using industrial sized concrete anchor screws on
> the face of a brick building years ago. I climbed it last Friday and it is
> still solid.
>
> I think the least effort would obviously be the lift but I have no idea
> how easy it is to get a lift that big, or expensive.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 2:41 AM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You price out 200' of caged ladder and installation on a 120 year old
> brick structure???
>
> On Sep 28, 2015 7:40 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Get a mason to inspect it, have them install a caged ladder if its safe
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have the opportunity to go up on some of the tallest structures around,
> but they are smokestacks built in the late 1800s.  They are probably 300'
> tall.  I can find a ton of examples of where companies have done this by
> searching 'smokestack cell tower' on Google Image search, but I have some
> real concerns.  One concern, the stacks in this area seem to have been
> grandfathered in, as they have no warning lights on top.  Two, we live in
> an earthquake zone.  It is not a matter of 'if', but 'when'.  So, these
> will likely come tumbling down.  When that happens, are people going to
> point fingers at the company who added weight to the structure when it
> crushes someone?
>
>
>
> There are some obvious engineering hurdles (renting a crane every time
> there is an issue, or mounting low enough to rent a man lift, adding backup
> equipment in case of failure, etc.), but those can be overcome.  I am
> primarily concerned about liability, and the potential for having to update
> the structure to include lighting.  Has anyone on this list ever attempted
> something on the scale of a 300' smokestack from the turn of the century?
> Any pointers, or specific law firms that I should contact?  Seriously
> debating just scrapping the idea
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers

[Jeremy]

Yes, that is a small lift.  That is the cheapest alternative.  I am just
covering options.  We have rented a crane on numerous occasions.  I am just
looking at turnaround time in the case of an outage.  If we have to wait on
scheduling the 300' crane it is going to take a few days.  I can get the
Genie anytime, within a day.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Isn't that a small lift, not a crane?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Sep 29, 2015 10:33 AM, "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We must have great deals on cranes around here.  I can get a 60' Genie
>> for $45 an hour, or $925 a week locally, and then just go up 60'.  Not sure
>> that is going to be high enough though.  That includes delivery and
>> dropoff/pickup with a semi.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Come to think of it, we pay more than that for an 85’ man-life in
>>> Phoenix.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:20 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, we paid $5G’s 5 years ago for 180’.  For $800, get the crane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Jeremy
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 6:57 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, the stacks are abandoned and not in use.  Crane with a man basket
>>> for a day is $800, half a day is $400.  The inside is pretty dirty, and I
>>> have no intention of going inside of it.  I am planning to run shielded
>>> liquitite up the side.  I don't want to put breakout boxes every 10-15'
>>> like I do on towers, so I'll probably run a steel cable with the wire
>>> attached through the conduit, to support the cable weight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So the trolley idea is for changing the light at the top, if required?
>>> That seems like it would work.  The whole thing may turn out to exceed the
>>> cost of just going up on the commercial towers next to it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would build a rubber tired trolley that will roll up the side of the
>>> smokestack.  You can lower it to work on the radios and use the cable to
>>> pull it back up.  Then you only need to go up and attach the pulley one
>>> time.  If there is no activity in the smokestack, you can run the cable up
>>> the inside.  Depending on the diameter, you could build some kind of spider
>>> type of thing with spring loaded legs to span the inside and get pulled up
>>> too.  Then it would be stealthy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would love to work on this idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I did a tower like this.  Used one of those lighting fixtures common at
>>> major freeway interchanges.  The whole lighting structure lowers on a
>>> trolly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:24 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The biggest lift I’ve seen is around 180’.  From there you are looking
>>> at a crane for $10K per day.   Almost cheaper to get a helicopter at that
>>> point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:14 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can build a 300 for tower cheaper than putting a caged last on that
>>> thing. I think you are on the right track. Insurance and backups. Insurance
>>> should be cheap adding it to what you already have. Maybe a cheaper
>>> alternative if

Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers

[Jeremy]

We must have great deals on cranes around here.  I can get a 60' Genie for
$45 an hour, or $925 a week locally, and then just go up 60'.  Not sure
that is going to be high enough though.  That includes delivery and
dropoff/pickup with a semi.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
wrote:

> Come to think of it, we pay more than that for an 85’ man-life in Phoenix.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:20 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers
>
>
>
> Wow, we paid $5G’s 5 years ago for 180’.  For $800, get the crane.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 6:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers
>
>
>
> Ok, the stacks are abandoned and not in use.  Crane with a man basket for
> a day is $800, half a day is $400.  The inside is pretty dirty, and I have
> no intention of going inside of it.  I am planning to run shielded
> liquitite up the side.  I don't want to put breakout boxes every 10-15'
> like I do on towers, so I'll probably run a steel cable with the wire
> attached through the conduit, to support the cable weight.
>
>
>
> So the trolley idea is for changing the light at the top, if required?
> That seems like it would work.  The whole thing may turn out to exceed the
> cost of just going up on the commercial towers next to it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I would build a rubber tired trolley that will roll up the side of the
> smokestack.  You can lower it to work on the radios and use the cable to
> pull it back up.  Then you only need to go up and attach the pulley one
> time.  If there is no activity in the smokestack, you can run the cable up
> the inside.  Depending on the diameter, you could build some kind of spider
> type of thing with spring loaded legs to span the inside and get pulled up
> too.  Then it would be stealthy.
>
>
>
> I would love to work on this idea.
>
>
>
> I did a tower like this.  Used one of those lighting fixtures common at
> major freeway interchanges.  The whole lighting structure lowers on a
> trolly.
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:24 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers
>
>
>
> The biggest lift I’ve seen is around 180’.  From there you are looking at
> a crane for $10K per day.   Almost cheaper to get a helicopter at that
> point.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smokestack towers
>
>
>
> You can build a 300 for tower cheaper than putting a caged last on that
> thing. I think you are on the right track. Insurance and backups. Insurance
> should be cheap adding it to what you already have. Maybe a cheaper
> alternative if you want to be able to climb it are pegs and a safety climb.
> Pegs with epoxy would take about two minutes each, one every eighteen
> inches, a hard full days work.
>
> I did something similar using industrial sized concrete anchor screws on
> the face of a brick building years ago. I climbed it last Friday and it is
> still solid.
>
> I think the least effort would obviously be the lift but I have no idea
> how easy it is to get a lift that big, or expensive.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 2:41 AM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You price out 200' of caged ladder and installation on a 120 year old
> brick structure???
>
> On Sep 28, 2015 7:40 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Get a mason to inspect it, have them install a caged ladder if its safe
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have the opportunity to go up on some of the tallest structures around,
> but they are smokestacks built in the late 1800s.  They are probably 300'
> tall.  I can find a ton of examples of where companies have done this by
> searching 'smokestack cell tower' on Google Image search, but I have some
> real concerns.  One concern, the stacks in this area seem to have been
> grandfathered in, as they have no warning lights on top.  Two, we live in
> an earthquake zone.  It is not a matter of 'if', but 'when'.  So, these
> will likely come tu

Re: [AFMUG] DC power for AF5x

[Jeremy]

I am using power on all four pair with them, and it is working great.  I
haven't tried without.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> Standard two pair works fine on AF5x, supposedly they need all four if
> it's a long cable run, but I've run them on as much as 100' of cable with
> only two pairs with no problems.
>
> I have AF5x's running on both PacketFlux and WBMFG injectors that are
> working just fine (either works with power on all four pairs).
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Well if standard two pair works I'd be super excited to see it work on
>> the Packetflux POE injector!!!
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Standard:
>>>
>>> http://www.netonix.com/wisp-switch/ws-12-250a.html
>>>
>>> Yes, it's gigabit from what I have read.  My switches are en route.  You
>>> can check the Netonix forums for more info.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Does Netonix do 24v on all 8 pins?  Or just the standard?  Does it link
 up at gigabit if the latter?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Josh Baird 
 wrote:

> A Netonix 24V (.75A) port will power it fine up to ~150-160ft.
>
> For longer runs, you may need a 24VH port (1.5A).
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Right but it's also gigabit and the + is pins 1/2/3/6 with return on
>> 4/5/7/8.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Josh Baird 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's +19-29VDC PoE.  A Netonix will power this at 24V, or a
>>> Packetflux PoE injector.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Are there any solutions for this yet?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

>>>
>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DC power for AF5x

[Jeremy]

Yes, I mean that model number.  It is working exceptionally at gigabit, and
has been for months.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> You mean this?  Model is backwards.
> http://www.mccowntech.com/gige-poe-apc-ethernet-surge-suppressor-protector/
>
> Working great at gigbit?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I use GIGE-APC-POE to power them currently.  I have a couple Netonix, but
>> haven't had time to test them out yet.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Standard:
>>>
>>> http://www.netonix.com/wisp-switch/ws-12-250a.html
>>>
>>> Yes, it's gigabit from what I have read.  My switches are en route.  You
>>> can check the Netonix forums for more info.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does Netonix do 24v on all 8 pins?  Or just the standard?  Does it link
>>>> up at gigabit if the latter?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A Netonix 24V (.75A) port will power it fine up to ~150-160ft.
>>>>>
>>>>> For longer runs, you may need a 24VH port (1.5A).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Right but it's also gigabit and the + is pins 1/2/3/6 with return on
>>>>>> 4/5/7/8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's +19-29VDC PoE.  A Netonix will power this at 24V, or a
>>>>>>> Packetflux PoE injector.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are there any solutions for this yet?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DC power for AF5x

[Jeremy]

I use GIGE-APC-POE to power them currently.  I have a couple Netonix, but
haven't had time to test them out yet.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> Standard:
>
> http://www.netonix.com/wisp-switch/ws-12-250a.html
>
> Yes, it's gigabit from what I have read.  My switches are en route.  You
> can check the Netonix forums for more info.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Does Netonix do 24v on all 8 pins?  Or just the standard?  Does it link
>> up at gigabit if the latter?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> A Netonix 24V (.75A) port will power it fine up to ~150-160ft.
>>>
>>> For longer runs, you may need a 24VH port (1.5A).
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Right but it's also gigabit and the + is pins 1/2/3/6 with return on
 4/5/7/8.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Josh Baird 
 wrote:

> It's +19-29VDC PoE.  A Netonix will power this at 24V, or a Packetflux
> PoE injector.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Are there any solutions for this yet?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Smokestack towers

[Jeremy]

I have the opportunity to go up on some of the tallest structures around,
but they are smokestacks built in the late 1800s.  They are probably 300'
tall.  I can find a ton of examples of where companies have done this by
searching 'smokestack cell tower' on Google Image search, but I have some
real concerns.  One concern, the stacks in this area seem to have been
grandfathered in, as they have no warning lights on top.  Two, we live in
an earthquake zone.  It is not a matter of 'if', but 'when'.  So, these
will likely come tumbling down.  When that happens, are people going to
point fingers at the company who added weight to the structure when it
crushes someone?

There are some obvious engineering hurdles (renting a crane every time
there is an issue, or mounting low enough to rent a man lift, adding backup
equipment in case of failure, etc.), but those can be overcome.  I am
primarily concerned about liability, and the potential for having to update
the structure to include lighting.  Has anyone on this list ever attempted
something on the scale of a 300' smokestack from the turn of the century?
Any pointers, or specific law firms that I should contact?  Seriously
debating just scrapping the idea

Re: [AFMUG] A cross section of an undersea cable

[Jeremy]

Awesome!


On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> [image: undersea cable]
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...*
>
> *unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] water tank mounting

[Jeremy]

Spring nuts?

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Washers could stop the horizontal strut from hitting the side of the tank,
> but the two vertical struts will be rotated away from each other.
>
> Are there fittings to connect them at an angle to each other rather than
> perpendicular?
>
>
> On 9/24/2015 9:39 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
>> Huh - that’s awesome.
>>
>> I have a tank like that I have been trying to figure out a better mount
>> for.  Never thought of using unistrut vertical on the rails.
>>
>> Look in the unistrut catalog and you should find enough parts to build
>> something close.
>>
>> I’m thinking two struts vertical with beam clamps to clamp them to the
>> horizontal banding, and then horizontal strut across with spacers (square
>> washers) to compensate for the radius.  Pipe clamps to hold the round pipe
>> vertical.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
>>> I need to attach to a water tank identical to the one in the Sprint
>>> installation in the attachments.
>>>
>>> I noticed the drawing doesn't match the as-built photo.  In the drawing
>>> they're calling for galvanized angle bent around the curvature of the
>>> tank.  In the photo it's flat plates.  Gee, I wonder which one bent easier.
>>>
>>> Does anyone sell ready made hardware for this, or is it going to be
>>> custom fab stuff?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] A cross section of an undersea cable

[Jeremy]

Sounds like TE SubCom is the go to company if you want a quote on a deep
sea cable.  I found their promo video to be extremely interesting.
https://youtu.be/Q61DHtgFqa0

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Take a gander at these: http://tinyurl.com/ooqrg7d
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 9/25/2015 6:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> You can put 30 kF of fiber on a spool.  Put about 5 spools on a truck.  So
> 100 kF of fiber like we use on a truck.  Or 20 miles.
>
> I don’t know how you ship a 100 mile spool of fiber, let alone undersea
> fiber which is larger in diameter.  No way a power line this big.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 5:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] A cross section of an undersea cable
>
> The spools are 100 mile increments.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 9/25/2015 8:53 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I'd love to see the spool that comes on...
>
> On Friday, September 25, 2015, Rory Conaway < 
> r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
>> [image: undersea cable]
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> * r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> * 
>> www.triadwireless.net
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“There are two theories on catching the knuckleball...*
>>
>> *unfortunately, neither of the theories work. - Charlie Lau:"*
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Tower Structural Analysis Vendors

[Jeremy]

I thought a structural was always more than $3K?

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> We have tower drawings and original structural analysis from tower owners.
> They just want an analysis done on our additional load. I was hoping to
> find a vendor to do this under 1k since it should be quick and easy with
> all the info we can provide.
>
> So far, only one vendor has been recommended. Anyone else have someone
> they work with that they like?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:42 AM, alex phillips 
> wrote:
>
>> plan on 2k but yes you need previous structural from when it was
>> installed.
>>
>> *Alex Phillips*
>> CEO and General Manager
>> RBNS.net
>> HighSpeedLink.net
>> *WISPA.org Board of Directors ** (2011-2016)*
>> *WISPA President (2015-2016)*
>> *540-908-3993 <540-908-3993>*
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Jacques Fluker 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From my experience, if you do not have the initial engineering drawings
>>> provided by the company that engineered the tower (like Sabre), the costs
>>>
>>> are through the roof.
>>>
>>> The load ratings at various points on the tower are spelled out and an
>>> engineer then needs to audit current equipment on tower, locations,
>>>
>>> windload, etc to provide the structural.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacques L. Fluker
>>>
>>> Chief Technology Officer
>>>
>>> Pixius Communications, LLC
>>>
>>> 301 N. Saint Francis Street
>>>
>>> Wichita, KS 67202
>>>
>>> Email: jflu...@pixius.com
>>>
>>> Ofc   (316) 219-8554
>>>
>>> Fax   (316) 219-8600
>>>
>>> Cell  (316) 651-6301
>>>
>>> Res   (316) 755-2407
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2015 9:47 PM
>>> *To:* memb...@wispa.org
>>> *Cc:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Tower Structural Analysis Vendors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How about asking the Tower owner who was the last engineer who did the
>>> structural on that tower.. and contacting them..
>>>
>>> If they are cooperative, it could be the least expensive option than
>>> going to someone new..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com, "memb...@wispa.org" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 23, 2015 9:21:23 PM
>>> *Subject: *[WISPA Members] Tower Structural Analysis Vendors
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> One of our new tower site owners is requiring us to have a structural
>>> analysis done even though we have a very small load on the tower.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any reasonably priced vendors you recommend to perform the
>>> analysis that don't cost a fortune?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Darin Steffl
>>>
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>>
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>>
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>
>>>  Like us on Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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>>> Members mailing list
>>> memb...@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>>>
>>>
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>>> memb...@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ___
>> Members mailing list
>> memb...@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF24HD

[Jeremy]

Well here in Utah I have competitors that seem to think the standard AF24
can go 7 to 11 miles.   I can't imagine the multi-state shots that they'll
do with theseMy furthest shoots less than a mile.  No experience with
the HD yet, but I'd probably be willing to push it up to almost two miles.
Here is a guy doing 12 miles
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/AF24HD-12-Mile-Link/cns-p/1179062

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Where?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 12:06 PM, SmarterBroadband <
> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> What kind of real world distances are you seeing with AF24HD compared
>> with AF24?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF24HD

[Jeremy]

LOL, exactly!!!

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 9/14/15 09:42, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>> That’s just crazy, unless you can tolerate outages whenever it rains.
>> Whatever number you use for rain fade per mile, let’s say 10 dB/mile at
>> 24 GHz, multiply by 12.  No way you are going to get 120 dB fade
>> margin.  The only way would be if your weather is such that it never
>> rains over more than a very small area at the same time.
>>
>
>
> There's a competitor in my area with outages or degraded service as normal
> ops (it's a feature not a bug) and their customers largely seem to accept
> it.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] School me on AF5X

[Jeremy]

I modified all of the AF5X dishes before the kits were released.  Now we
use the cross-pol kits on all of the Rocket dishes.  We haven't had any
issues.  I deployed a 18.5 mile link yesterday (3' on both sides), getting
256 QAM.  75% duty cycle, pulling 300Mbps by 100Mbps on 5225.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:48 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I thought about that too. Good to know that will work. I'd like to keep
> the existing UBNT pigtails with the silicone boots to make swapping the
> radios over as fast as possible (no weather sealing).
>
>
> On 9/10/2015 9:46 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
>
>> FWIW I had to get a 90deg SMA connector so the GPS would fit.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:54 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a link on 2' Rocket dishes that just runs like crap. Can the AF5x
>>> simply swap in place? I don't need the slant conversion, but is it
>>> required? I thought someone mentioned that the V port of the feedhorn is in
>>> the way of the GPS connector on the radio, or did they change that?
>>>
>>> Also, the Rockets are powered from regular PacketFlux 10/100 injector
>>> ports fed from the 24V DC rail. I'm not worried about gigabit right now.
>>> Can the 5X be powered from the two unused pairs only, or does it require
>>> all four?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4 hour spider viagra

[Jeremy]

(walked right into that one)

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A big pussy with a four hour hard-on??  Seems like a perfect match to
> me
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> No way ...ESE...after having millions well thousands well hundreds well
>> too many daddy long legs on me in attic of Castle AFB I am big pussy when
>> it comes to spiders
>> On Sep 11, 2015 7:16 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That’s gotta be an agonizing 3 hours and 57 minutes.
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2015 6:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ok Josh. Happy now?
>>>
>>> Yes, spiders can be very dangerous:
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1363810/Spider-venom-cause-hour-erections-new-Viagra.html
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2015 7:11 PM
>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ok Josh. Happy now?
>>>
>>> Best to hit it with a shovel... just in case.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like some kind of orb weaver spider - they're pretty scary
>>>> looking, but I don't think they're particularly dangerous.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 11, 2015, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A!
>>>>>
>>>>> What kind is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2015 6:21 PM
>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ok Josh. Happy now?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And lazy assistant
>>>>> On Sep 11, 2015 5:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On water tank railing and tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4 hour spider viagra

[Jeremy]

A big pussy with a four hour hard-on??  Seems like a perfect match to me

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> No way ...ESE...after having millions well thousands well hundreds well
> too many daddy long legs on me in attic of Castle AFB I am big pussy when
> it comes to spiders
> On Sep 11, 2015 7:16 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> That’s gotta be an agonizing 3 hours and 57 minutes.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2015 6:23 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ok Josh. Happy now?
>>
>> Yes, spiders can be very dangerous:
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1363810/Spider-venom-cause-hour-erections-new-Viagra.html
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2015 7:11 PM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ok Josh. Happy now?
>>
>> Best to hit it with a shovel... just in case.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like some kind of orb weaver spider - they're pretty scary
>>> looking, but I don't think they're particularly dangerous.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 11, 2015, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 A!

 What kind is that?

 *From:* Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2015 6:21 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ok Josh. Happy now?


 And lazy assistant
 On Sep 11, 2015 5:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> On water tank railing and tank.
>

>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Jeremy]

Ahh, I see.  I didn't understand.  I thought you were talking antenna size.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We are going up at 100 ft its a relay tower for Alabama public tv
> --
> From: Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 10:08 AM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question
>
> Depends. Maybe if he needs to be at 500 feet it isn't worth $1k.
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015, 10:05 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well that seems like a deal not even worth questioning isn't it?  Am I
>> missing something here?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Per foot of height is what I was presuming he meant.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2.50 a foot  per antenna  per month
>>>> --
>>>> From: Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 9:50 AM
>>>>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question
>>>>
>>>> $2.00 a foot?  Is this per day?  Crown Castle is $100 per foot of dish
>>>> and $75 per sector, per month.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's in a rural backwoods area  but fiber is right beside it and we
>>>>> can feed from our existing network
>>>>> --
>>>>> From: Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:50 AM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are 1 foot each right? That doesn't sound out of line if it
>>>>> isn't completely in the middle of nowhere. If it is, maybe $2 a foot.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2-force 110 dishes
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> From: Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line,
>>>>>> both? what sizes? anything else going up there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv
>>>>>>> station  is 2.50 a foot  a bad price or is it too high?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Lewis Bergman
>>>>>> 325-439-0533 Cell
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Lewis Bergman
>>>>> 325-439-0533 Cell
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lewis Bergman
>>> 325-439-0533 Cell
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Jeremy]

Well that seems like a deal not even worth questioning isn't it?  Am I
missing something here?

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Per foot of height is what I was presuming he meant.
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 2.50 a foot  per antenna  per month
>> ------
>> From: Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 9:50 AM
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question
>>
>> $2.00 a foot?  Is this per day?  Crown Castle is $100 per foot of dish
>> and $75 per sector, per month.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's in a rural backwoods area  but fiber is right beside it and we can
>>> feed from our existing network
>>> --
>>> From: Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:50 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question
>>>
>>> Those are 1 foot each right? That doesn't sound out of line if it isn't
>>> completely in the middle of nowhere. If it is, maybe $2 a foot.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2-force 110 dishes
>>>> --
>>>> From: Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question
>>>>
>>>> Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line,
>>>> both? what sizes? anything else going up there?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh <bwireless...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station
>>>>> is 2.50 a foot  a bad price or is it too high?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Lewis Bergman
>>>> 325-439-0533 Cell
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lewis Bergman
>>> 325-439-0533 Cell
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Lewis Bergman
> 325-439-0533 Cell
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question

[Jeremy]

$2.00 a foot?  Is this per day?  Crown Castle is $100 per foot of dish and
$75 per sector, per month.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Joseph Marsh  wrote:

> It's in a rural backwoods area  but fiber is right beside it and we can
> feed from our existing network
> --
> From: Lewis Bergman 
> Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:50 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question
>
> Those are 1 foot each right? That doesn't sound out of line if it isn't
> completely in the middle of nowhere. If it is, maybe $2 a foot.
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Joseph Marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> 2-force 110 dishes
>> --
>> From: Lewis Bergman 
>> Sent: ‎9/‎9/‎2015 8:40 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower collocation question
>>
>> Depends on what you are putting up there. Is that per antenna, line,
>> both? what sizes? anything else going up there?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Joseph Marsh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We are wanting to co locate on a tower which is owned by a tv station
>>> is 2.50 a foot  a bad price or is it too high?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lewis Bergman
>> 325-439-0533 Cell
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lewis Bergman
> 325-439-0533 Cell
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pipe Mounting Kit

[Jeremy]

I have used these guys before and was extremely impressed by the products.
They are way bigger and more heavy duty than you would think from the
pictures though.
http://www.ciwireless.com/product-category/tower-applications/tower-dish-mounts/

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I don't like chain mounts.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
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> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
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> 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:05:39 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pipe Mounting Kit
>
> Don't folks normally use a chain mount for those?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 7:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pipe Mounting Kit
>
> A skinny monopole.
>
>
> On 9/2/2015 9:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Wow, 8".  Was that a tower leg?
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:12 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pipe Mounting Kit
> >
> > Well I just bought a bunch of these:
> >
> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/andrew/product_details.aspx?id=2241=3
> > because I needed to mount to a member that was 8" diameter.
> >
> > The larger side of the clamp goes 4-9".  The smaller side goes up to
> 3.5".
> > The most bizarre thing was they did not include the other half of the
> > smaller clamp.  We had to buy another clamp set to get the missing
> > pieces.  I thought it was a mistake at first, but every single box was
> > the same.
> >
> > I looked at your stuff first Chuck, but the size of the poles we were
> > working with necessitated going a different route.
> >
> >> You guys are killing me.
> >> The ONLY place for pipe mounting kits (several different varieties) is
> >> here:
> >>
> >> http://www.mccowntech.com/products.cfm?CID=3
> >>
> >> (And to think, I let you come to the party and drink my punch and you
> are
> >> still trying to chat up my wife...)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Justin Wilson - MTIN
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:32 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pipe Mounting Kit
> >>
> >> http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list=632
> >>
> >>
> >> Justin Wilson
> >> j...@mtin.net
> >>
> >> ---
> >> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> >> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> >>
> >> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> >> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
> >>
> >>> On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Matt  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What is everyone using for heavier pipe mounts?  Such as clamping a 3
> >>> inch pipe to a 4 inch tower leg?
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
>