Re: [AFMUG] Small PC for remote Troubleshooting

[Jon Auer]

+1 for the concept.
We use Banana Pi's running Debian for smokeping remotes and iperf. They
have gig ports and have enough CPU to take advantage of them. We started
with rPi's but their Ethernet couldn't keep up.
Costs under $100 for a board, box, and sd card.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> If all you want is something to connect to remotely and don't need an
> actual Windows desktop, you could use a Raspberry Pi Zero with a USB
> Ethernet adapter attached for the whopping sum of about $40. Of course you
> would need -some- linux know how as well unless someone was willing to
> write up a basic interface or test suite for easy consumption. Makes for a
> very inexpensive tap.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sean Heskett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 4:19:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small PC for remote Troubleshooting
>
> this was mentioned on slashdot last week:
> https://www.solid-run.com/product/solidpc-q4-carrier/#configuration
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> > What you guys suggest for a remote displayless PC that we can use at
> > remote sites for troubleshooting/remote access via 4g?
> >
> > Case is that sometimes its quicker for our engineers to have remote
> access
> > to equipment via a remote desktop session than going step by step with
> our
> > field techs or tower crews.
> >
> > we just need browser, winbox, terminal
> >
> > lan port should be able to have vlan configured
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Throttling bandwidth over a gig

[Jon Auer]

I'm using Ciena 3930s as CPE for our customers with 10G ports and, for
those that have subrate services, using them for shaping/policing.
It's a switch targetted at carrier ethernet demarc so it has many useful
QoS and OAM options.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> What is the best way to throttle a customer to a specific bandwidth
> threshold when they are using over 1G of bandwidth?
>
> Should this be done at the switch? I have a feeling that a simple queue
> probably won't work...
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cogent...

[Jon Auer]

Sometimes sh*t happens.
The Level3 we have for one of our ASNs was flaking out regularly from a
faulty linecard in MSP a few months back.
Last summer the HE we have on the other ASN was going down for 6-12 hours
at a time multiple times per week for a month because their POP transport
was a single unprotected wave going along a highway that was being moved.

We still use all of them.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How is cogent still operating at the level they do. It's like I'm the guy
> in charge of their network.
>
> On Sep 19, 2016 6:03 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
>> On 9/19/16 13:48, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody hear what's going on with Cogent..??   Lots' of packet loss on
>>> all their cross connects.  I am hearing a lot of people having problems
>>> with financial transactions ( IP CC readers ) failing and connectivity
>>> to Citrix and such failing..   IS this the new world order?
>>>
>>
>>
>> They're fubar for the last 3 days for different reasons. Today it's a
>> (another?) fiber cut in LA. Had to pull routes away from Charter to get
>> traffic away from Cogent.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Visualizing BIND

[Jon Auer]

i dunno man. apparently some people like it when a asshat is in charge. see
also: trump.

Seriously though, we stuck with mainline Observium and have been quite
happy with it.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:02 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> is the observium asshattery resolved completely yet? I had given it
> consideration but that guy sullied it. If him and patrick leary were to
> have a fistfight, i would love it
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I want to criticise your choice of ANCIENT tools, but I'm setting in a
>> room with xymon up right now :(
>>
>> Give Observium a shot Steve.
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2016 10:54 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I use Xymon.  I'd recommend it for server status and things
>>> like this.
>>>
>>> Assuming this is Bind you can use retds.pl
>>> https://wiki.xymonton.org/doku.php/monitors
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:51 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Powercode is the primary, so real time, nope, nope and NOPE.
 SNMPc probably will, but Id have to turn it back on and build the probes
 Ive got cacti, but never had the time to actually sit and learn it
 enough to call it production.

 On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> The question is what is your current monitoring server?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>> Your existing monitoring server doesn't have the ability to monitor
>> that?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, September 12, 2016 10:43:02 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Visualizing BIND
>>
>> Im using DNSTOP to monitor real time activity on these servers I made
>> live (interesting to see just how perverse some of our customers are) but
>> is there a good tool for monitoring visually statistics, queries, cache,
>> errors, etc that doesnt involve building yet another server to monitor
>> these?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] network device map/wiki/management/database/documentation system

[Jon Auer]

Coming from mediawiki, Confluence has been worth every penny (and we're
paying way more than the $10/yr tier). And no, it's not in some third party
cloud. Our server in our datacenter...
The user-friendliness means we have more staff participation in
documentation.
The calendar and Gliffy (network diagramming) plugins are pretty great too.



On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Yeah, No. Confluence costs money, a really solid mediawiki platform is
> based entirely on BSD/GPL/Apache licensed software.
>
> I bite my thumb at thee!  https://www.atlassian.com/licensing/confluence
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Try Confluence over MediaWiki.. It's much easier to use and has an
>> extensive library of add-ons that will make your life mo' easier.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Install a full instance of mediawiki on a LAMP type server, learn how to
>>> use it (it's really easy, and has great documentation), and create a
>>> template for each of your POPs...
>>>
>>> Documentation and management should also include IP address tracking and
>>> provisioning with a shared intranet type tool, such as a VM instance
>>> running NIPAP:
>>>
>>> http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Hey guys and gals,

 I don't know if something like this already exists so i thought i'd ask
 y'all before i went and created it. I basically need a complete
 documentation system for our network infrastructure.

 -we have our network mapped in visio
 -we have our network monitored in intermapper
 -we have our network graphed in cacti
 -i'm working on creating a wiki type page for all devices that has some
 static info (like date put in service, a link to it's manual) and some
 dynamic info (like Tx frequency)
 -the devices all typically have a web config page

 I want to turn our visio maps into HTML so that you can click on the
 device and bring up it's wiki page that either links to all the other pages
 or includes the info on that wiki page etc.

 it seems like this is probably just a custom documentation database.
 When i search on the google there are systems kind of like this but they
 seem to be either too narrow minded (geared towards data center and server
 infrastructure) or too broad...nothing seems to be "just right"

 does something like this currently exist?  what do you use to keep
 track of all this information?  what would you recommend?

 Thanks!

 -Sean




>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FWD: ATTENTION: Ransom request!!!

[Jon Auer]

Right, and that's not the intention :)
You filter at the edge (facing your customers) to block spoofed traffic
from your customers so your network doesn't participate in attacks on
others.

Implementing BCP38 and blocking ports used for amplification attacks is a
herd immunity strategy, not a defense strategy. Remove the ability for
booters to spoof or amplify traffic on your network and you've reduced the
amount of traffic that can be thrown at other networks. At some point, the
pool of abusable hosts is reduced and booters don't have enough hosts to
launch effective attacks.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> BCP38 is not going to help you with a 1Tbps attack if you're on less
> than a 1Tbps pipe.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net> wrote:
> > There have been a couple flavors of this. One uses a common bitcoin
> address
> > and is a scam of the scam, the other uses unique wallet addresses per
> target
> > so they can tell which target pays up. Since the wallet address doesn't
> show
> > up in search results I'd assume this is the latter...
> >
> > FWIW I've seen their stunts max out Cogent's pipes feeding a metro POP
> (not
> > a lit building in a metro, the main POP for a metro).
> >
> > So, everyone is doing BCP38 filtering on their networks, right?
> > Maybe also using a service like Qrator Radar to monitor your netblocks
> for
> > abusable services?
> > This is one of those things where everyone that isn't part of the
> solution
> > is part of the problem :)
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Pay and we'll know it's you, don't reply we won't read...
> >>
> >> Well if you are a sucker and make a new btc wallet, and pay, how do they
> >> know what website or set of IPs is associated with which payment if they
> >> don't take incoming communications?
> >>
> >> It's a scam.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 29, 2016 6:46 PM, "Roland Houin" <rho...@fourway.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> anyone else get this?
> >>>
> >>> roland
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Forwarded Message --
> >>>
> >>> FROM: Armada Collective <armada.collect...@gmail.com>
> >>> TO:   i...@fourway.net
> >>> CC:
> >>> DATE: 29 Jul 2016 23:21:10 -
> >>>
> >>> RE:   ATTENTION: Ransom request!!!
> >>>
> >>> FORWARD THIS MAIL TO WHOEVER IS IMPORTANT IN YOUR COMPANY AND CAN MAKE
> >>> DECISION!
> >>>
> >>> We are Anonymous.
> >>>
> >>> All your servers will be DDoS-ed starting Sunday (Jul 31 2016) if you
> >>> don't pay 5 Bitcoins @ 1PR8naoESWCbNzeTYK8TbL87CnBgchZexf
> >>>
> >>> When we say all, we mean all - users will not be able to access sites
> >>> host with you at all.
> >>>
> >>> Right now we will start 15 minutes attack on your site's IP
> >>> 208.95.136.26. It will not be hard, we will not crash it at the moment
> to
> >>> try to minimize eventual damage, which we want to avoid at this
> moment. It's
> >>> just to prove that this is not a hoax. Check your logs!
> >>>
> >>> If you don't pay by Sunday, attack will start, price to stop will
> >>> increase by 1 BTC for every day of attack.
> >>>
> >>> If you report this to media and try to get some free publicity by using
> >>> our name, instead of paying, attack will start permanently and will
> last for
> >>> a long time.
> >>>
> >>> This is not a joke.
> >>>
> >>> Our attacks are extremely powerful - sometimes over 1 Tbps per second.
> >>> So, no cheap protection will help.
> >>>
> >>> Prevent it all with just 5 BTC @ 1PR8naoESWCbNzeTYK8TbL87CnBgchZexf
> >>>
> >>> Do not reply, we will probably not read. Pay and we will know its you.
> >>> AND YOU WILL NEVER AGAIN HEAR FROM US!
> >>>
> >>> Bitcoin is anonymous, nobody will ever know you cooperated.
> >>>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Antispam Appliances/Solutions

[Jon Auer]

If you find something, I'd like to hear about it.
At one point we were doing 1.2M inbounds per day on a cluster of Barracuda
appliances but the $/box didn't work once you included hardware refresh.
Last time we looked around it seemed like everyone had a pet project that's
fine for small scale but as soon as you want multi-tenant + clustering the
cost went through the roof.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Hey folks…
>
>
>
> You guys/gals always have great suggestions and this time I’m wondering
> about email antivirus/antispam appliances (outsourcing not an option) of
> mid sized scale…
>
>
>
> Today at $$$job we run Ironport appliances for antispam/antivirus
> protection.  One of the appliances is end of life and needs to be replaced
> and the other two are coming up for maintenance renewal.  These boxes, from
> what I understand, are very expensive.  I have a call into Cisco for
> pricing but they usually take weeks to call back if they ever call back at
> all … enough about them….
>
>
>
> So wondering if we should continue down the road with Ironport or consider
> something else.  The number of email accounts continues to drop off over
> time with folks moving to Gmail, Hotmail etc.   These boxes work *
> *extremely** good … right now seeing about 3.5% of email is legit and
> rest is spam/virus etc.  Very rare for a spam message to make it through …
>
>
>
> Outbound email messages per day approximately 100,000 (varies but average
> number)
>
> Inbound email messages per day approximately 2.6 million on average
>
>
>
> Anyone use anything on similar scale to provide insight into what they are
> using and how it works?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name

[Jon Auer]

This. We were a party to a 5-figure domain transaction that used Escrow.com
- https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow - and it went
smoothly. There are a ton of scammers out there and escrow keeps everyone
protected.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Actually, Paypal CAN take it back out of your bank. I've had it happen
> before.
>
> Just use an escrow service and be done with it. Jeez.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 6/22/2016 5:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> You don't get the funds immediately sometimes.  What the conditions are I
> don't know exactly, it seems like Paypal has a "when we feel like it"
> attitude.
>
> If you can transfer it to your bank and give them the domain you should be
> fine.  Paypal can't really withdraw the funds back as you can just say it
> was fraud/unauthorized.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
> sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
>> I think with PayPal I get the money immediately in my PayPal account,
>> then I transfer it asap to my bank.
>>
>> Once that clears, THEN I allow the domain transfer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does that sound more reliable?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 5:03 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name
>>
>>
>>
>> In case the buyer says "I never got the domain" and then your money is
>> tied up for weeks or monthsor you never get it and lose your domain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Rory Conaway < 
>> r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> Why avoid paypal other than the fees?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:44 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Private Sale of Domain Name
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you do a check instead of PayPal?  Or ACH?
>>
>> I would avoid PayPal, even with a personal transfer.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2016 6:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" < 
>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have a buyer for one of my defunct domain names I own.
>>
>> I was thinking I would just have them process the domain transfer request.
>>
>> Then when I received that, have them pay me via PayPal personal transfer
>> so I don't have to pay fees on the funds.
>>
>> Then process the transfer request.
>>
>> Anyone see anything wrong with that?
>>
>> They seem legit.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

[Jon Auer]

Adtran NetVanta 1544 Ethernet switches (24xGigE, 4xSFP) have been 2.5G
capable since 2009.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage
> array applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used
> in ethernet speaking routers/switches.
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
>
>> Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP, not
>> sure why they did not go 10G
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model
>>> appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all
>>> three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it?
>>>
>>> Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra
>>> to unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 2200Mbps.
>>> Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet
>>> buffer.. seems low.
>>>
>>> Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?
>>>
>>> -c
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

[Jon Auer]

https://xkcd.com/936/

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> My oldest son is a computer security specialist / forensic guy.
>
> He was telling my my super complicated password was not so secure.
> He cracked it pretty easy.  He suggested I add an alt code.
>
> So I did.  Now, neither one of us can open the file.
> Guess alt codes in passwords for some Office products cause big problems.
>
> Arrgh.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives

[Jon Auer]

Home version supports multiple discrete users.
You invite family members (different Microsoft/Live ID) through the web
page where you download the installer and change your payment info.
On May 24, 2016 17:35, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Does that mean concurrent logins?  That is pretty important in my
> application.
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
> The home version covers 5 seats and is only $99 a year…..
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> No, $12/month total for 5 seats.
>
> They say 5 computers.  One would hope concurrent logins.
>
>
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:20 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> That is $12 per seat?
>
> Yes, 5 PC but I think only one login?
>
>
>
> · One license covers 5 phones, 5 tablets, & 5 PCs or Macs per user
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 8:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> I looked at those.  Not thrilled.  I may just go with 365.  $12/month for
> 5 seats.  Not terrible.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
>
> http://www.isunshare.com/blog/how-to-open-and-edit-mdb-file-without-microsoft-access/
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
> We’ve an Office365 for this. Keeping Office up to
>
> date is more expensive than renting it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Chuck McCown
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 24. Mai 2016 17:30
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* [AFMUG] OT MS Access alternatives
>
>
>
> I tried to open and edit an mdb file with Libre and it keeps crashing.
> Hate to go buy access.  Any alternatives that actually work?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] gee, thanks netflix

[Jon Auer]

I have 10G to a Netflix OCA.
When I run the test it pulls from Ashburn which is ~1k miles away :( that
said the speeds have been pretty accurate (and sometimes higher than
speedtest.net).
On May 19, 2016 12:22, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> What’s interesting though is that the test is performed via the closest
> Netflix “servers” to you … that part in itself is handy in my opinion.
>
>
>
> I did several tests with hit and found it very accurate …
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
> *Sent:* May 19, 2016 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] gee, thanks netflix
>
>
>
> I don’t like that one.
>
> I’m connected directly to the second hop in my network. 50Mbps at my
> disposal (old hardware).
>
> I get 3.6Mbps on their test.
>
>
>
> Uh... no.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:32 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] gee, thanks netflix
>
>
>
>
>
> just what we need. another speedtest site :)
>
>
>
>
>
> www.fast.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Strict NAT message on Xbox One?

[Jon Auer]

It seems to vary by game.
Playing first person shooters I noticed that audio wouldn't work reliably &
I'd get dropped into games with undesirable latency characteristics. Pretty
similar to VoIP and issues with one way audio, not being able to do
reinvites, etc.

I wish they'd just bypass all the NAT issues by using native v6 with a
fallback to Teredo. Then I'd have no problem with the blame the ISP part.
Extra lag? Ask your ISP about IPv6 Today!

On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Also, is it true this is only an issue for peer-to-peer games, not cloud
> hosted games?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Strict NAT message on Xbox One?

[Jon Auer]

Yes, that's what we do for customers with Canopy SM NAT.

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Ty Featherling <tyfeatherl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Can you out them in the DMZ behind that radio?
> On May 7, 2016 1:30 AM, "Jon Auer" <j...@tapodi.net> wrote:
>
>> For game consoles you basically enable UPnP or deal with a bunch of port
>> forwarding.
>> Xbox One is fairly sane. WiiU literally wants all of UDP forwarded.
>>
>> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Michael Gawlowski <
>> m...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone had this issue? The customer is behind a ubiquiti running NAT
>>> with the ubiquiti using a public IP behind one of our Mikrotik's. The
>>> Mikrotik does not have any ports blocked, either. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Michael Gawlowski
>>> Triad Wireless, LLC
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Strict NAT message on Xbox One?

[Jon Auer]

For game consoles you basically enable UPnP or deal with a bunch of port
forwarding.
Xbox One is fairly sane. WiiU literally wants all of UDP forwarded.

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Michael Gawlowski 
wrote:

> Anyone had this issue? The customer is behind a ubiquiti running NAT with
> the ubiquiti using a public IP behind one of our Mikrotik's. The Mikrotik
> does not have any ports blocked, either. Any ideas?
>
> Thank you,
> Michael Gawlowski
> Triad Wireless, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] Contacts for fiber - Windstream, US Signal, Zayo

[Jon Auer]

When we started working with US Signal I just filled out the contact form
on their web site and waited a couple days. That got me in touch with a
local sales rep who's been pretty reasonable (we're in a different
territory or I'd send you his info).

Re: other comments, I've found their VES service to be pricy but aside from
that they were able to get us connected to random things in AT land where
no one was willing to work with us: Example: "here's a AT LOA/CFA. Yes,
one end is in a CO where you have colo. Please just order it." and they
did.
Their pricing on waves between truly on-net buildings (where they own/lease
dark fiber) has been unbeatable. I've tried national aggregators and they
seem to come in with prices a few points higher than I can get directly
from regional transport providers, but this is mostly minimum 1G circuits
at a minimum. Maybe it's different in the 10-100M bracket.

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Looking for transport pricing from these three carriers.  Does anyone have
> a human I can talk to in order to get a quote?  I'm trying to avoid the 2
> hours of hold times and transfers.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] abuse reports on customer IPs

[Jon Auer]

If you run a rwhois server (or maybe whatever that new restful stuff) you
can note down to a /32.

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 9:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> isnt SWIP a minimum /29 though?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> If it is a customer that operates a open public wifi AP like a coffee
>> shop, bar, restaurant, there is not a lot that you can do. Customer won't
>> stop running open wifi, people won't stop bringing in infected laptops. No
>> way to find out who has the infected laptops/devices.
>>
>> One possible solution if sufficient ARIN IP space is available is to put
>> all such customers in their own special swamp netblock as static
>> assignments. Consider that block forever sullied.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 6:54 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I know its bad practice, I normally enjoy turning customers off, it
>>> makes me feel godlike and powerful, alot of times when i get to shut one
>>> off i go upstairs and drag mu woman from her bed by her hair to the kitchen
>>> to make me a sammich. but for whatever reason i like this customer
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Spam and botnet activity is far more harmful to the health of your
 network and the IP reputation of your netblocks than anything DMCA related.


 torrents and DMCA notifications don't hurt the network. Knowingly
 leaving something that is a repository of virii/worms/trojans online is
 just bad practice.


 On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:09 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We have a particular customer, We have been getting tons of abuse
> reports on their static IP, I assume we will never be able to wash this
> sullied IP clean. Theyre not really doing any harm to our network, or
> impacting others on the network, they are in full breach of our TOS, thats
> for sure. suprisingly, its primarily spam and botnet activity, but no 
> DMCA.
>
> Is there any liability on us as an ISP to not address this
> affirmatively with the customer. Im going to contact them, may offer a
> leased fortigate UTM option. But if there isnt a resolution, other than
> their static IP residing on every blacklist can we get nailed?
>
> Its a good customer, pays their bill on time, worked with us through a
> service issue without the usual "gimme discounts and free shit or im going
> elsewhere" I dont want to HAVE to disconnect them if im not required to 
> and
> theyre not impacting others if they cant or wont resolve the issues
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] door access control

[Jon Auer]

Axis A1001 is ~$500 and PoE powered. Each unit will handle 2 doors BUT
additional A1001s link up so there's unified config/provisioning/management.
By PoE powered I mean the controller runs off PoE, powers the strike, and
the reader. No separate power system needed.
The Web UI is fast, unlike the lag on HID EdgeSolo.

The cool thing is that, in addition to traditional Weigand, these work with
the new reader standard so the reader-controller link is encrypted and you
can do mutual authentication with RF smartcards (should you care about
that).

We're using these after getting annoyed with HID VertX (and associated
Windows-based controller) and HID EdgeSolo (not sufficiently flexible).

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I'm dying here. Every single system I can find is shit or costs an arm
> and a leg, to the point where I'm considering starting a company to
> make a better system. I just need an embedded, web based, IP access
> control system. It needs to be able to control the individual door
> access controllers to electronic striker or maglock to the keypad. POE
> here is best. If it requires software running on a windows PC then I
> don't want anything to do with it, even for those of you who are like
> "put it in a vm"... no. Those resources are reserved for properly
> functioning operation systems (and LXC containers!).
>
> I've got 3 doors at one location, then 2 more doors at 2 other locations.
>
> If it has a mobile app, that's even better.
>
> I've installed a couple of HID Global and DoorKing systems in the past
> and nothing about this is hard, but the chinese systems are only made
> for a single location.
>
> Any suggestions?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net Server

[Jon Auer]

Some local people have been data mining speedtest data for a few years,
they might have some useful techniques in these slides:
http://eng.5nines.com/~tkapela/lolpreso/big-data-meetup-11-2014/tk-jf-speedtest-wankery.pdf
pretty friendly folks. At one point they were hitting people up to
contribute data in exchange for analysis. You might want to hit them up.

I'm curious what kind of pipe/server, config you are using for your
speedtest server. We haven't set one up yet but need to soon because...
aside from the people doing that data mining and some area universities the
speedtest servers around us have woefully inadequate connectivity for FTTn
customers.
E.g. I can interpolate their network utilization by running speedtests. We
had one local speedtest host that caps out between ~300Mbps and the test
induces ~100ms latency + 1% packet loss somewhere in their network.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> It doesn't show much actually.
>
> I want more analytics, and I thought there would be a whole host of
> API/Data based charting you could get off of this data.
>
> But I can't find anything directly linking to their data.
>
> I was able to download my entire data set for my server in CVS though.
>
> With Tableau you can make some interesting charts and views, but on static
> data only.
>
> Here is one showing download in my city (relative to my Speedtest.net
> server only of course, so heavily weighted towards my own ISP).
>
> The larger red circles are around 1Gbps download test results.
> The smaller circles are actually the 100Mbps customers test results.
> The puny colored circles on the edges are all of the other ISPs in my city.
>
> We obviously dominate average speed test on download, lol!
> Upload is much worse for the competition.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 10:06 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net Server
>
> If you are hosting a speedtest.net server you should have a web interface
> where you can see all the data.
>
> On 3/26/2016 11:03 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> > Is there any third party web sites or apps that can give visuals on the
> data my speedtest.net server is collecting?
> >
> > Anyone seen anything like that? Or is it a closed platform?
> >
> > Seems like it has some scripting to store the data my server is
> collecting, maybe locally.
> >
> > But I want to see which ISPs have what speed ranges in what areas etc.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Interview

[Jon Auer]

Adtran has made managed switches with 2.5G-Capable SFP ports for several
years.
On Mar 17, 2016 08:59, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> there are no 2.5 gbps capable switches...  why is everyone missing the
> boat on this?
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:47 AM, John Seaman  wrote:
>
>> 2.5 Gbps Gino.  (And 2 1 Gbps)
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>>> no 10G sfp?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Gino Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 can you periscope the conferences?

 On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz-Shnyz6N0
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>


>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee

[Jon Auer]

I filled out that survey and then realized that most of the burden comes
down to the shi**y state of ticketing systems / backoffice tooling (aside
from not being able to file the registered agent form online).

Pretty much all the DMCA notices come with ACNS XML. It's easy enough to
parse, open tickets on customers, and handle as automatically or manually
as you want. For a industry-to-industry self-policing mechanism it's pretty
painless.

The only DMCA notice we've received *without* ACNS XML came from CitiBank's
SOC when one of our shared hosting customers got hacked and was hosting a
phishing page with their logo on it.

Like most things ISPish the pain comes in the valley between when you start
and have so few customers that it's a novelty/doesn't take too much time
and when you have so many customers/it's enough of a pain that you automate
it.
Of course, when the valley is everything between some guy with like 200
subs and Comcast there's a lot of people feeling the pain, but the pain
shouldn't be there--we should be demanding that our back office
ticketing/billing venders provide ACNS parsing.

We need to get our collective ducks in a row and manage DMCA well enough
that the rights-holders don't get any more bent out of shape and we end up
getting served with complaints that have teeth-subpoenas and whatnot.

Can't identify customers because NAT?
Log the port translations. ACNS includes port numbers.
Got people whining about costs of storing NAT logs? C'mon. Storage is
cheap. There's no such thing as free lunch and that's the cost of not
assigning public addresses to customers.

I got 99 problems with DMCA but the takedown process (on the service
provider side) ain't one.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Daniel White  wrote:

> WISPA will be filling comments on the recent request for information from
> the US Copyright Office – specifically on the burden of DMCA.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 2, 2016 2:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee
>
>
>
> And it should prove that we did everything possible to keep our hands
> clean.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeremy 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2016 2:05 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee
>
>
>
> So you actually made them follow up on the message with the copyright
> holder?  That seems even more hardcore than disconnecting them.  I guess it
> does have the advantage of not losing the customer though.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I had excellent luck in immediate shutdown until they got the copyright
> holder to give me an all clear.  I don’t think I ever lost a customer.
> Some of them were down for a week or so at times.
>
>
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2016 1:49 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee
>
>
>
> We send the notice and call them after to make sure they ack it.  On the
> third strike, we suspend their service until they call in. Letting them
> know at that time if we receive future notices it’ll be a $100
> administrative fee per notice we receive.  They usually decide to go
> elsewhere at that point.
>
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>
>
> Usually we send a couple notices and never hear about it again.  They
> usually quit the offending activity, or encrypt their traffic.  When they
> just keep going and going we have to do something.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I will never forget the first time I shut somebody off for pirating a
> movie.  Porn movie.  Turns out to be the kid of a principal of a local
> school.  Dad was pretty hot for being shut down until I explained the
> reason.  I told him once he makes nice with the copyright holder we can
> turn him back on.  I think he was worried it would leak into the press or
> the schoolboard would become aware.  That never happened.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeremy 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2016 1:41 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee
>
>
>
> Yeah, we expect them to switch.  We are uninstalling the equipment.  I am
> just trying to figure out how long we should ban them for.  I really don't
> care if they ever come back.  Pirates are a hassle for me, and could
> potentially land any of us in front of a judge.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> Realistically if you shut me off I would switch to a new provider within a
> day. I don't know 

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Repeaters

[Jon Auer]

Yeah, I'd think such a thing would be incompatible with GPS since the
repeating would add delay and GPS works on differences in delay.

For indoors, if you need GPS signal for something but it doesn't have to be
"real" there are GPS test sets / satellite simulators. Last time I looked
they were crazy expensive. Unless you are testing gear or hijacking drones*
I'm not sure why someone would want one.
* A famous example was Iran using fake GPS signals to trick a US spy drone
into landing at one of their airports.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:33 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> No such thing, I think. Probably a localized gps signal for tractors,
> which isn't a gps repeater
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Gents:
>> Any of you blokes ever install a GPS repeater system for commercial use?
>>
>> I got a call from my cousin who is an engineer in Chihuahua and is flying
>> down here to look a project using these.  I told him the install part is
>> pretty straight forward, much like a DAS or OTA cell repeater design but I
>> know in USA you need a license.  Not sure about Cd. Juarez or Chihuahua,
>> Mexico requirements.
>> Any feedback appreciated.   muchas garcias en minifaldas
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Repeaters

[Jon Auer]

Wow. That's actually affordable. On to hijacking drones! I mean... testing
radio timing in our well shielded test room :)

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spirent-GSS6100-GPS-Signal-Simulator-Calibrated-23-Oct-2015-30-Day-Warranty/172024671227?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3D4b46d7f2e77944be96ecc6bcd88c84c8%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D8%26rkt%3D17%26sd%3D331764301867
>
> *From:* Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 04, 2016 2:58 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS Repeaters
>
> Yeah, I'd think such a thing would be incompatible with GPS since the
> repeating would add delay and GPS works on differences in delay.
>
> For indoors, if you need GPS signal for something but it doesn't have to
> be "real" there are GPS test sets / satellite simulators. Last time I
> looked they were crazy expensive. Unless you are testing gear or hijacking
> drones* I'm not sure why someone would want one.
> * A famous example was Iran using fake GPS signals to trick a US spy drone
> into landing at one of their airports.
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:33 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
>> No such thing, I think. Probably a localized gps signal for tractors,
>> which isn't a gps repeater
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Gents:
>>> Any of you blokes ever install a GPS repeater system for commercial use?
>>>
>>> I got a call from my cousin who is an engineer in Chihuahua and is
>>> flying down here to look a project using these.  I told him the install
>>> part is pretty straight forward, much like a DAS or OTA cell repeater
>>> design but I know in USA you need a license.  Not sure about Cd. Juarez or
>>> Chihuahua, Mexico requirements.
>>> Any feedback appreciated.   muchas garcias en minifaldas
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Best long range cost effective hotspot gear

[Jon Auer]

We've found that the marketing coverage/range is not a very useful number
when it comes to hotspots. You'll be limited by the client radio long
before that matters.

The more interesting metric (if you are expecting any decent amount of
people) is number of clients per AP under load.
First gen UniFi seems to max out CPU around 30 users and enabling traffic
shaping or captive portal makes that worse.
On Feb 3, 2016 1:59 PM, "Josh Corson"  wrote:

> We are looking at doing 4 separate hot spot set ups; one for a state park,
> campground, and two very small cities.
>
> Assumptions/ Details:
> Going off of a 300-600ft separation on them in our planning (according to
> UniFi APs they will go 600').
>
> My main question is which vendor is the best when it comes to not only
> hardware but the management systems for a captive splash page, billing,
> management, etc.
>
> Three names come to mind (cost effective ones):
> UniFi
> Cambium's new WiFi products
> Open-Mesh
>
> Open-Mesh seems to be too good to be true...mesh outdoor radios for under
> $100 that will go 400-600ft and comes with lifetime CloudTrax software??
> Has anyone used them?
>
> Looking for any and all input on best equipment to use, but not while
> spending $1,000's per node.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
>
> *Josh Corson*
> Operations Manager
> BlueBit Networks
> bluebitnetworks.com
> o. 573.355.5381 c. 573.259.3073
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Jon Auer]

+1. We're using the Yealink T4-series phones. Our office is all T46G &
T48G. We went from Cisco 7940s and these are a world of difference (for the
better), both in voice quality and tolerance/interop for NAT.

I personally prefer the T41P/T42P as the 46 & 48 have a slight digit input
lag that bugs me.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Take a look at the higher end Yealink phones.
> On Jan 25, 2016 11:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that
>> doesn’t like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They
>> also want a DECT wireless option.
>>
>> Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make
>> front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key
>> system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have
>> been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t
>> fit the switchhook of the sip phones.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

[Jon Auer]

May not be related, but just want to mention the chance that it's part of a
DDoS.
We've seen Mikrotik routers with DNS cache turned on be used in DNS
Amplification DDoS attacks.
My solution has been to add a firewall rule on the WAN port to block UDP/53
traffic that's not from hosts on our dns-server address-list.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Nailed the problem down to the Mikrotik router having a problem with DNS
> caching whether it’s Cox or Google.  Not sure where to go from there since
> the other 12 don’t have a problem.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 4:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
>
>
>
> We had raons bit no dangling cables.  Level 3 says no errors to the modem
> and we had a tech out already.  We are changing the 2011 to a 450 just to
> confirm before we eacalate further.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway
>
> Triad Wireless
>
>
>
> Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
>
> Date: 1/11/2016 10:38 AM (GMT-07:00)
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
>
>
>
> If it just started and youre in an area hit by storms, some of the
> neighbors, mostly the empty houses with no tenants at this point, cable was
> busted down by tree limbs and is dangling terminated byt the mud now
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:
>
> Likely an RF issue on the cable side.
>
> I see this sort of thing with the company I consult for. They’ll have me
> going through the router, trying to shut down the “virus” or peer to peer
> when it is thousands and thousands of retransmits and broken packets.
>
>
>
> Just like our wireless it can have good quality until loaded, then watch
> the quality drop to nearly nothing and loose connection.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:25 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
>
>
>
> The Netgear router has nothing to do with it, I was just using their
> website as an example of downloading a file.  It’s computer, 2011, cable
> modem, the world.  I just can’t download anything from any sites.  What’s
> weird is they just drop.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
>
>
>
> You mention Netgear, is this a Netgear router?  They used to have a
> problem with downloads stalling, but that was quite a few years ago.  The
> fix was to disable SPI Firewall.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:06 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download
>
>
>
> We have a cable circuit that can do everything except download.  There is
> a Mikrotik router between the computer and the cable modem.  Haven’t tested
> taking the router out yet but we have tried 2 routers, same results.
> Basically, downloads either don’t start or start and then just crash.  Game
> machines can’t update, even downloading a 20MB file from netgear fails.
> Everything else seems to work.  Any ideas would be helpful.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “Life is full of unfair calls, missed plays, and bad catches.  But true
> baseball players keep on playing”  - Lessons from Baseball
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing

[Jon Auer]

Do they seem to be doing anything once they get to the site? Looking at
datasheets or something like that?
It could be that the Bing Ads platform is just more susceptible to
clickfraud.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I do too, but as far as buying clicks, I get more clicks and cheaper
> clicks from Bing.  Same keywords same everything.  Lately have seen a large
> uptick.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2015 9:34 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Marketing
>
>
> First thing I do on new PCs is get rid of Bing...I set Chrome and Google
> as default.makes my simple mind happy
> On Dec 2, 2015 9:31 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Lately, Bing Ads has been kicking Google Adwords’ butt.   And at half the
>> price.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] how far can we go in capturing and investigating data?

[Jon Auer]

Re: if you capture...
That's actually a matter of federal law:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2258A?quicktabs_8=2#quicktabs-8

If you don't report, $150,000 fine the first time, $300,000 after that.

National Center For Missing And Exploited Children had a booth the last
time I was at HostingCon.
On Oct 12, 2015 08:37, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> IANAL, but I would think you could capture and investigate any traffic you
> want on your network.  The problem would be what you do with that data, for
> example disclosing to third parties, disclosing to law enforcement without
> a valid warrant or court order pertaining to that customer, or using it to
> block or throttle legal content without a permitted network management
> purpose.
>
> Oddly, if you capture kiddie porn, you may be required by state law to
> disclose that to law enforcement.
>
> Once you have accomplished your troubleshooting, I would probably delete
> any records of the captured data.  If you don’t have it, you can’t disclose
> it.
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2015 12:53 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] how far can we go in capturing and investigating data?
>
> what is the legality of us capturing and reviewing data for
> troubleshooting. Is there a clearly defined line? I assume we cant capture
> encrypted traffic and try to decrypt it and get to the underlying data.
> Is there a set of words that we can put in our TOS that give us a pass?
>
> This is a concern thats come up because im troubleshooting an issue on a
> customer who is a prick. The type that would say "how did you find out
> whats happenning" And then trying to sue us when we tell them we captured
> and reviewed traffic. Im tempted to have the boss get a release drawn up
> for this douchebag to sign.
>
> Is this something we are covered over since it falls under the blanket of
> troubleshooting? Are we technically required to notify a customer if we are
> capturing their data?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

[Jon Auer]

The funny thing is the truly technically ignorant (or technically clueful,
but bonafide country folk) that can't get fixed-wireless just use 4G or
Satellite and don't stream video (buy DirecTV or something) to avoid
blowing data caps.

The semi tech people that move out to new build homes in the country with
their sweet techie wages and want to keep their urban lifestyle of cheap
bandwidth powering cord cutting tend to have the hard time with it.
You know, the people that don't realized that the FCC's rural broadband
price target is $60/mo.
Often they get upset because they see the fiber marker posts and decided
that "they have fiber in their backyard" without realizing that it's
longhaul (CO to CO, things like that) and the phone company won't crack it
for them.

IMO the best hard to serve customers are net eng/ops techs for
national/global telcos and execs that have had responsibility for telco
service ordering and delivery, generally director level or higher at a
medium to large company or institution, they are the best because they know
these things and appreciate it when you get them Netflix bandwidth without
a $25k build cost on a 36mo term.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Steve  wrote:

> Try having a little empathy! Put yourself in his shoes. Imagine you are a
> technically stupid dufus who just spent a wad of money on a house after
> spending ages picking the right property and design and being promised
> their internet would be there only to move in and have crap..  Of course
> you'd complain and try to point blame at others for not doing the research.
> Also could think it was false advertising and trusting the ISP.
>
> You and I would have researched it a little more but the average public
> will not think of such things.  They'll think of the color of their tile
> floors, and countertops before they'll think of internet connection.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "James Howard" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:55:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> I can confidently say from past experience with this type of customer that
> we do not want him.
>
> Yes it would be great to get some PR, but this customer will be nothing
> but a problem.  He will constantly complain about anything and everything
> and will jump ship at the very first opportunity that he can switch to
> something with a lower price per month.  Notice he holds up his Charter ad
> with $29.99 per month displayed.  It doesn't matter that he would have to
> pay $117k to get that price (and also pay for 2 other services with a
> total bill of $100-250 per month), he will complain constantly that the
> price is higher than $29.99.
>
> It never fails that the ones that beg the loudest and convince you to go
> out of your way for them ALWAYS come back to bite you and are the loudest
> complainers about everything.
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> Rise above the douchebaggery and focus on the issue. We want to be the
> hero. Collect the rewards of making WISPs as viable alternatives in these
> situations. It'll grow our industry.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  thatoneguyst...@gmail.com%3e>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:36:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> Fuck that guy in the story. Piece of shit fuckbats like him are the problem
> with the world, not the only problem, but a big one. Ignorant twat. He need
> ballbat to the gonads to help ensure he doesn't breed anymore entitled ass
> hats.
> On Oct 1, 2015 8:45 AM, "Seth Mattinen"  se...@rollernet.us%3e> wrote:
>
> > On 10/1/15 6:13 AM, Steve wrote:
> >
> >> Well the goal here is to get us some good PR as "problem solvers" with
> >> the people.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Wasn't it also on Ars recently about the guy complaining about lack of
> > competition and being stuck with Comcast? Then he gets Sonic to jump
> > through all kinds of hoops to install service just so he can turn around
> to
> > use it as leverage to stay with Comcast.
> >
> > I've had people want me to solve their "problem" of AT taking too long
> > by expecting me to go out pocket many thousands of dollars to set them up
> > with a DIA microwave as a "trial" for a few months free of charge until
> > their AT order comes through.
> >
> > ~Seth
> >
>
> 
> Total Control Panel
>
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>  

Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

[Jon Auer]

Yeah, I'm paying ~$180/mo for my Frontier DSL @40M/10M + static /29.
That's my "just in case backup" if my primary 40/40M connection via myself
goes down.
It's solid. I'm paying through the nose for it for the upload and because
Charter's always doing maintenance when I'm trying to do maintenance.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> "absurd"... ha. They make it sound like it's a total of $53.78 for both
> DSL lines. If that's the case, it's hardly absurd... in fact, I'd say it's
> a pretty darn good deal for where he is - assuming they actually work,
> which I admit is questionable judging from what I've heard from other
> Frontier DSL customers.
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/15 09:33, James Howard wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/cable-company-charges-man-117000-for-internet-to-extend-network-2015-9
>>>
>>>
>> "Marshall pays an absurd $53.78 for two DSL lines"
>>
>> Wow. Whoever mentioned the whining about costing more than $29.99 was
>> spot on. Are you a wizard?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

[Jon Auer]

Because that's the only way to get >5Mbps upload on a Home/Smallbiz
connection from someone other than $WORK.
Why so much upload? Because sometimes getting a file from here to there 10x
faster means I can fix a problem/complete maintenance and go to sleep
faster.
Why a /29? Keep work, home, etc totally separate.
Why home on a backup connection? Have you tried to concentrate on fixing
something when wife/so doesn't have netflix/facebook?

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:

> If it's just a backup connection, why do you have so much bandwidth with
> Frontier? Why not just use their 7/1M package for $49.99 a month?
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I'm paying ~$180/mo for my Frontier DSL @40M/10M + static /29.
>> That's my "just in case backup" if my primary 40/40M connection via
>> myself goes down.
>> It's solid. I'm paying through the nose for it for the upload and because
>> Charter's always doing maintenance when I'm trying to do maintenance.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "absurd"... ha. They make it sound like it's a total of $53.78 for both
>>> DSL lines. If that's the case, it's hardly absurd... in fact, I'd say it's
>>> a pretty darn good deal for where he is - assuming they actually work,
>>> which I admit is questionable judging from what I've heard from other
>>> Frontier DSL customers.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/1/15 09:33, James Howard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/cable-company-charges-man-117000-for-internet-to-extend-network-2015-9
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> "Marshall pays an absurd $53.78 for two DSL lines"
>>>>
>>>> Wow. Whoever mentioned the whining about costing more than $29.99 was
>>>> spot on. Are you a wizard?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

[Jon Auer]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> That's not a connection I'd want to put in if it was in the least bit
> questionable though, seeing as he calls 3/1Mbps unusable...
>

Hell, These days I don't like putting in anything less than 10/5Mbps.
And yes, we only have legacy Canopy 900 hitting that area, and we try very
very hard not to sell Canopy 900.

Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?

[Jon Auer]

And here I thought my ears were burning from the fall breeze (just got back
from turning up a 11Ghz link as part of our network upgrades heading
towards that area...).

We have ePMP, PMP450, and AirMax ac (variously) to the north and east of
Sun Prairie (within 20 minutes drive), and PTP stuff in Madison proper (to
the southwest).
South of there is still largely PMP100 that we're working towards replacing
but there's little point in upgrading access without upgrading backhaul so
that's moving a bit like a freight train. Slow to get rolling but when it
arrives it comes with a ton of coal, I mean bandwidth...

Now, standard (but useless) disclaimer for the following political thoughts
when a random reporter finds this in google: I'm talking as random tech
person and not on behalf of any company I may or may not be associated with.

Sun Prairie has had muni acting as ISP for a long time, 10+ years.
Initially with fixed wireless and then transitioned into fiber. As usual
they are cherrypicking the high ARPU customers (businesses & MDUs) and
leaving the normal people behind (I see this around with ARRA/etc
projects).:
http://www.sunprairieutilities.com/fiberCMSpage.cfm?cms=87=0
There's a similar problem/situation in Madison with MUFN fiber. There just
seems to be too much drama around towns where muni department people have
ambitions of ISPhood.

So, I don't see us building out that way ever. I mean, if this dude poppped
a 160' 45G or SSV tower in his back yard, got all the zoning approvals, and
served up a long term lease on a silver platter, then sure, in a heartbeat.
PMP450 fed by 11Ghz from our fiber POP @222 in Madison coming right up.
Otherwise, the risk/reward doesn't make sense.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Jon Auer is Netwurx last I heard
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Sep 30, 2015 8:00 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nope, I'm not from Netwurx, but they are around there too... I'm not sure
>> if they get closer to Sun Prairie than we do or not.
>>
>> That's not a connection I'd want to put in if it was in the least bit
>> questionable though, seeing as he calls 3/1Mbps unusable...
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Rick Harnish <
>> rharn...@fibertothefarm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I contacted Peter Maher at Netwurx about the article.  They are close.
>>> Maybe that is who Matthew Howard works for.
>>>
>>> http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed
>>>
>>> I also wrote an email to Jessica Michael at Farm Futures about her lack
>>> of knowledge about the Wisp industry yesterday.  I haven't heard back from
>>> her yet.
>>>
>>> http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Rick Harnish
>>> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
>>> 260-307-4000 cell
>>> Skype: rick.harnish.​
>>> Twitter: @rharnish
>>>
>>>
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:43 PM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>>> >
>>> > Contact Ars... have them update the site saying that Wireless can
>>> solve a lot
>>> > of these problems for a fraction of the price.   It'll be a good piece
>>> they can do
>>> > on the wireless industry.  Find the name of the guy who wrote the
>>> article.
>>> > ahhh his email is  jon.brod...@arstechnica.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:28:01 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>>> >
>>> > I'll just skimmed through the article... We might be able to get
>>> there, I'll see if
>>> > I can figure out where exactly it is.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Would be a good followup Ars story if someone with a 450 was able to
>>> > > hit this guy up with faster than DSL speeds!  Good PR for the WISP
>>> industry.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds-
>>> > ou
>>> > > t-cable-internet-will-cost-117000/
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Generic optics for Juniper?

[Jon Auer]

I've been using Fiberstore SFPs in EX & MX without any problems.

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> For those of you running Juniper (EX/MX), are you using generic SFPs?  If
> so, can you recommend a brand?  Will MT SFPs work?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh
>

Re: [AFMUG] Strange DOS attack

[Jon Auer]

We've run into things like this before, but between our flow data--seeing
it come in different upstreams, and it being sourced from UDP there's a
good chance that the source IP was spoofed and it was actually coming from
multiple sources->smallish DDoS

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Had an interesting DOS attack today, All sourced from a single IP Address
> to UDP Port 80 of the customer, running about 100mb/s and 160,000 pps.
> Coming from a Comcast Business IP, destined to a customer off an FSK
> Radio.  Mitigating the traffic was easy, just drop the source at my network
> edge, but I've never seen a DOS where it's only from a single IP Address.
> And it's been going on for like 30 min.  Usually see it coming in from
> 100's of Source IP's.
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT eCommerce

[Jon Auer]

Huh. I must have missed them.
I've been using Telect's ELF panel system in a handful of situations lately
and they nail the listing (except for some characterset issues in their
descriptions). Example:
http://www.amazon.com/TELECT-Multifunction-Connectivity-Module-ELF-9716-2300/dp/B00KVLHLCS/

Amazon prime (in their warehouse) so I know it will get to me quickly and
that quantity is accurate, picture of the actual item, and
description/features help me feel confident that what I'm ordering matches
my expectations.

I don't know if it makes business sense because margin or volume (telco
gear that people want to order outside the normal disty chain might be too
niche).

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:53 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I actually had a handful of our products on Amazon and got zero sales.
>
> *From:* Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 2, 2015 1:32 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT eCommerce
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't discount just adding your products to amazon and the like.
>>
>
> I love it when manufacturers do this (and use Amazon's warehouses). I've
> been seriously tempted to just do it with /someone's/ very awesome
> APC-compatible surge cards...
>
> I was very happy when Telect was doing that with fuse panels and fiber
> trays. There's so much less cognitive load and time spent in going to
> Amazon, searching part number, and clicking buy now instead of emailing
> Power or CTI, getting a quote, approving the quote, placing the order,
> etc.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT eCommerce

[Jon Auer]

I'm fairly happy with CTI (our rep: James until last year I think, and now
Jonte) for cases where high-touch is OK.
Ordering everything for a tower being built 3-4 months out with a licensed
backhaul is a good example.
In those cases a few clarifying phone calls and a email thread isn't the
end of the world. They're pretty good to us and I have reasons to want to
send them business.
It's ordering the one-off/small project items that can be irritating.

My usual order cycle is: email what I want (include exact part numbers),
get a quote back, make sure the price is sane and part number is correct
(if it's even listed), then email back saying yes, and it hopefully(1)
shows up next day.

1) That's the part where things break down. I'm never sure if they have
stock, are sending from a 3rd party (maybe a warehouse further away, maybe
stock levels aren't in sync). Cambium is never a problem. Ubiquiti is hit
and miss, other things, vary wildly. The uncertainty is frustrating.
Although lately Jonte has gotten really good about letting me know when
items have long lead times or are out of stock and finding alternate items.
I do appreciate that.

Aside from stock uncertainties, it feels wasteful of my time and theirs to
have to go through a "traditional" sales rep interaction cycle for
small/uncomplicated orders.

At this point if we're replenishing stock by ordering a case of UBNT gear
and we haven't run out yet, we'll order it from CTI.
If it's for a small project (e.g. AF5x link+spare or some UniFi APs) I'll
order from Baltic because the stock levels on their website are
accurate--if they show it in stock and I order before 3 PM I know that it
will be in my office by noon the following day.

Inaccurate stock levels on Streakwave's web store have bitten me on nearly
every order I've placed with them...

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> If it wasn't for Jeff Broadwick, i wouldn't do business with CTI...  too
> complicated.
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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>
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> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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> *From: *"Jon Auer" <j...@tapodi.net>
> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 2:32:38 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT eCommerce
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't discount just adding your products to amazon and the like.
>>
>
> I love it when manufacturers do this (and use Amazon's warehouses). I've
> been seriously tempted to just do it with /someone's/ very awesome
> APC-compatible surge cards...
>
> I was very happy when Telect was doing that with fuse panels and fiber
> trays. There's so much less cognitive load and time spent in going to
> Amazon, searching part number, and clicking buy now instead of emailing
> Power or CTI, getting a quote, approving the quote, placing the order,
> etc.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT eCommerce

[Jon Auer]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Don't discount just adding your products to amazon and the like.
>

I love it when manufacturers do this (and use Amazon's warehouses). I've
been seriously tempted to just do it with /someone's/ very awesome
APC-compatible surge cards...

I was very happy when Telect was doing that with fuse panels and fiber
trays. There's so much less cognitive load and time spent in going to
Amazon, searching part number, and clicking buy now instead of emailing
Power or CTI, getting a quote, approving the quote, placing the order,
etc.

Re: [AFMUG] voip inadequacies

[Jon Auer]

We have a customer that has dial-up from us running over a TWC VoIP that
they seem to be happy with. Yes... I know...

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:

 My mum has TWC VoIP service and it sucksI have never embraced it.
 On Aug 11, 2015 5:10 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Oh, yeah, Elevator Alarms too...

 *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:08 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] voip inadequacies

 I am compiling a list of sip/voip issues I have run into over the years.
 I am going to get beaten up by some bureaucrats tomorrow morning and I want
 to have a list to defuse them before the oral part of the proceedings start.

 I am going to say that ATA/SIP/VOIP is not suitable for the following:

 Fax Machines (don’t even get me started on this, tried to do a doctor’s
 office and pharmacy once)

 TDD  The teminal that deaf people use.  Does anyone know if a TDD will
 work on a garden variety ATA?  I don’t have one I can test with.

 Dial up modems

 Fire Alarm control panels (the monitoring companies refuse to even hook
 it up if you tell them it is VOIP).
 Burglar Alarms  ditto

 I wonder about heart monitors that you wear and have the results phoned
 in.

 Dial phones.  I have never tried to use a pulse dial phone on an ATA/SIP
 unit.  I wonder if it would work.

 Any others?

Re: [AFMUG] what tier provider is Hurricane?

[Jon Auer]

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 The tier system is utterly meaningless anymore.


+1
I mean, I'm a Tier 2 network by the wikipedia definition(1) so at that
point you know it's useless :)
At one point it may have made sense to be a Tier 3 and only buy from T1/T2
but with some much CDN traffic peering is a must.
1: A network that peers with some networks, but still purchases IP transit
or pays settlements to reach at least some portion of the Internet.

Re: [AFMUG] DC POE Switches

[Jon Auer]

TBH I prefer the flexibility of choosing my own switch.
Whether or not the patching from shielded punchdown to surge to poe to
switch becomes a rats nest is up to operator discipline.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:06 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 Is there really no gigabit poe switches on the market available now? I
 just really don't understand why there aren't a bunch of types of these on
 the market already!

 I posed the question to Forrest at afmug and he stated that no one wants
 to be locked into a specific switch, really guys?

 Using a midspan injector that requires power cabling to each port, fusing,
 and a rats nest of ethernet cables seems so 2006, do you guys really see it
 that way?

 Yes I know about netonix, but how are they the first to market, it's
 2015!???

Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Jon Auer]

Since you're doing 802.3at, any chance of adding IEEE 1588 support for
standardized timing over ethernet?
There are a number of switch/router platforms designed for small cell
environments that do both and we could greatly simplify our tower builds if
we could use them.

E.g. slap a Juniper ACX500-O-PoE on a pole, cable in the backhaul and AP,
and you're done. No more cabinet, no more poe/sync injector, stand-alone
switch, etc.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

  Good questions.



 Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i.  True, the 6-pin port became a
 RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different.



 For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE,
 you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP
 450i AP has a different pinout.



 These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides.



 PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP.



 Matt



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Sullivan
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i



 It has an AUX port that is Rj-45.  No more Rj-11.

 On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote:

  Sync only via CMM  ?



 UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ?







 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis 
 matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com:

  These are two different products, addressing different markets.  Cambium
 is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all
 with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses…



 Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which
 was just released this morning:



 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases



 Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also:




 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199



 Matt



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i



 Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of
 each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a
 dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the
 traditional form factors?







 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

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 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
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Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i

[Jon Auer]

Roughly 4k more or less depending on partner level, greed, and juni's need.

It doesn't make sense everywhere, but if you add parts up, $2k cabinet, $1k
CTM/CMM, $1k switch, etc it can be cheaper (not just simpler).
Realistically I'd probably use the non-outdoor version and add to existing
cabinets which takes a couple $k off the price.
Though, to enable GPS or NAT/VPN features there are additional
license/unlock fees.  Still not bad for a router that's temp hardened,
MPLS-capable, and supported by a major vendor that knows how to do quality
assurance, etc

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Jason McKemie 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 How much are those?

 On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote:

 E.g. slap a Juniper ACX500-O-PoE on a pole, cable in the backhaul and AP,
 and you're done. No more cabinet, no more poe/sync injector, stand-alone
 switch, etc.

Re: [AFMUG] 13.4. This may be an old issue; site name anomaly

[Jon Auer]

I'm going to say that's my fault :)
Back on 7.x (maybe early 8.x) one of our techs (Eamon) discovered that
whatever you entered on the SM was displayed on the AP in the session list.
His proof of concept was putting a img tag that loaded one of those early
shocker images in the site name on a SM. You loaded the AP session list and
got a hilarious visual that you couldn't unsee :-)
He tried reporting it to Moto and got nowhere fast.

At the next AF I asked some Moto people and they were like, so what? So I
reworked it with a javascript tag in the site name on a SM for a little
show  tell. Loaded the AP session list and you got a popup. I was like,
you know since this is javascript I can manipulate the DOM* and hijack
things, right? and they noted it and it was fixed pretty soon after. I
think in the security release that added RADIUS support.

*DOM being the browser's internal representation of the web page.
Essentially you could cause the browser to take any action on your behalf
that the browser's user could take.
Example being for those of you that don't use RADIUS/BAM (this was
pre-RADIUS) (cough powercode users cough) one could register a SM with the
right payload in the site name to a competitor's AP, call them up for
support and get them to look at the session list, and then your payload
would make config changes to the AP.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 6:19 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

  That has been around since I think v8 and has always annoyed me. I come
 across No Site Name SMs from time to time. Go look in the IP database and
 the customer's name is usually O' something. Shows you how much people pay
 attention.


 On 7/9/2015 6:10 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

 I posted this on the Cambium forum too. I thought I'd put single quotes in
 the Site Name field in the past. So I think this might be some corner
 case with the text-based config file.

 I had a site that required a single quote (e.g. O'Hara).



 When I saved the change, the display stayed as No Site Name, but did not
 give an error.



 So I tried to put the site name in via the configuration file. When that
 configuration was applied, the GUI indicated that Site Name had an error
 1.



 So I re-entered the name as OHara, and it took.



 So the GUI should indicate that the single quote (and possibly other
 characters) are not allowed, instead of passively going back to No Site
 Name. Or maybe it could just drop the illegal characters.



 --

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth

[Jon Auer]

Cogent's intro rate for 1G is $700, so I'd hold out for that even if you're
going to use a radio that only moves 100Mbps.
If the cost is the same, why not get more bandwidth so it's one less thing
to worry about when you need it?

Also, once you become a Cogent customer they are very reluctant to let you
have the 1G/$700 price.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:09 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
wrote:

 We are wanting quality bandwidth

 Isn't gig e have to be transported on licensed radios or do they make
 unlicensed Radios for gig e
 On Jun 24, 2015 8:59 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:

 Are you after quality bandwidth or cheap bandwidth?  Not dropping names,
 just thinking it’s a reasonable question and both answers are correct …



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 9:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth



 The price of bandwidth is what is attracting me to the idea

 He quoted. 100/100 for less than 700/mo

 I'm paying that for 20/20 and almost to my max now

 On Jun 24, 2015 8:50 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cogent rep brought this up and said it would be a few days for him to
 find me contact info to ask that my self
 Just trying to see what other places allow or don't

 On Jun 24, 2015 8:44 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:

 On 6/24/15 6:41 AM, joseph marsh wrote:

 I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
 attaching a ptp radio in top of building to.



 Why not ask them?

 ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Site Database Management

[Jon Auer]

+1
We added a tag field to issues in Jira for the POP name and tag all POPs
affected by the issue.
We have a page in Confluence for each POP with site info, image gallery,
access info, etc  with a dynamic search for the POP tag so any issues
affecting/involving the POP show up.

We outgrew the 10 users for $10 license and are now paying ye olde
enterprise rates and it's still so very worth it.
 On Jun 18, 2015 5:10 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 You should look at Confluence (wiki) + Jira (issue tracking).  Both can be
 integrated with each other.

 Josh

 On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 That would work for managing just documents. It is pretty much what I do
 right now.

 I wanted/needed a place where I could put all the information at once,
 plus issue tracking for the site (power outages, power surges, lightning
 strikes etc). Plus I also wanted to add information to the wiki part that
 would be useful to other technicians who may go to the site in the future.

 We have enough sites now that if I had to hand off tasks to another
 person, while I know them in my head, I would like one cohesive resource to
 point them to.

 Vince West
 Tower Hand
 Technical Support
 Shelby Broadband
 148 Citizens Blvd
 Simpsonville, KY 40067
 Phone: 1-888-364-4232

 On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 4:38 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@ngc457.com wrote:

  Dropbox? A folder for each location and documents inside the folder?

 ryan

 On 6/18/15 1:24 PM, Vince West wrote:

 Right now I am currently setting up Redmine for this. I am the primary
 tower hand and have lots of information about our sites from the past 8
 years that I think would be useful to everyone.

  I honestly do not know if this is the proper tool for the job, but it
 has specific options I am looking for.

  For example:

  Documents (tower agreements, POCs etc.), a Wiki (to add information
 about equipment on tower and add important information specific to the
 site) and Files (for photo upload) are all things I am looking for that
 Redmine supports. There are some things that need to be changed or added
 such as email notifications and issue tracking. All the changes I have made
 are rather simple.

  I can't speak for iOS, but there are some decent third party apps for
 Android out there that also make it easy to do this from the field when a
 data connection is not available.

  I won't say it is the perfect option, but it works for me and the other
 hands that work these sites regularly.

  Vince West
 Tower Hand
 Technical Support
 Shelby Broadband
 148 Citizens Blvd
 Simpsonville, KY 40067
 Phone: 1-888-364-4232

 On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:

 Wispmon does this as I'm sure most of the management platforms do.
  On Jun 17, 2015 5:43 PM, Cassidy B. Larson c...@infowest.com wrote:

 Anybody use anything spectacular for managing a list of all your
 sites?  Apart from a Wiki/Excel sheet/plain text file.

 I’d like for a tower monkey to be able to take pictures of
 deployments/changes and associate it with the site.
 Same goes with accessing and updating details about things like:
  access to a site, contact numbers, GPS coordinates, list of equipment,
 IP addresses, WiFi passwords, Power Meter Number, custom notes, etc.

 Of course the above could be a big text box that gets changed, but then
 people will forget things to add. I’d prefer nice fields that you can
 populate.. When there’s data in them you can click the phone number to
 call, click the GPS coordinates to pull up maps, etc.

 Plus I want it to look pretty and be usable by someone rolling up with
 a phone and who happened to forget the gate code.

 Any suggestions?

 -c




 --
 D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
 broadband | telco | colo | communities
 PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294425-939-0047

Re: [AFMUG] Cisco pissing me off

[Jon Auer]

Huh? I doubt the WISP market even registers to them. Their gear is
generally solid...

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

 Why on earth would you use a Cisco anything when they hate WISPs

 We have completely removed all Cisco from our network

 2 cents

 -Sean

 On Saturday, June 13, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 This should be a trivial Cisco switch question. Apparently I don't use
 these turds enough to remember everything.

 show config says:

 interface FastEthernet0/3
 switchport access vlan 777
 switchport mode access
 speed 100
 duplex full
 no cdp enable
 !

 However, when trying to convert it to a tagged port with the following
 commands, it doesn't change.

 config terminal
 int Fa0/3
 switchport mode trunk
 switchport trunk allowed vlan 777

 No errors, just no change. I even tried just setting the description.
 Same result.

 I also tried removing the vlan via:

 interface FastEthernet 0/3
 no switchport mode access
 no switchport access vlan 777



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates

[Jon Auer]

No functionality (no ability to log in, etc) as opposed to AirOS7 where you
can log in but get a blank grey page.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  What happens if you noScript the page? :D

 Josh Reynolds
 CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com

 On 06/05/2015 04:49 PM, Jon Auer wrote:

 Yeah... And pretty much painful if it's a BH link that's freaking out and
 you need to get into the far side to fix something or whatever.

 I watched a ePMP page load in Chrome Dev tools and it's pretty apparent
 why: they have a ton of included css  js (mostly js) that should be
 combined and minified. I see 102 different file requests from logging in to
 the main page, mostly js fragments.

  It's puzzling. There's leading-edge webdev stuff to save bandwidth e.g.
 using webfont glyfs instead of image icons and then there's badness like
 tons of requests for little js here, little js there instead of having it
 bundled up into one big js that's been minified.

  It adds up to a few meg just to open the UI which is a bit nuts, besides
 all the back and forth requesting resources until it's all settled out.

 On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 I think it got worse actually.  Feels slower...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
   On Jun 5, 2015 4:36 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote:

 Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet?  We've been at 2.4.2
 for a Month now.

 The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are
 just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.

Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Tools

[Jon Auer]

We're using LiquidPlanner: http://www.liquidplanner.com
I was using MSProject which IMO was better but LQ has nice mobile apps for
time tracking, etc.

(we also use JIRA, but for change management, PM)

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 and I don't mean the people.

 What are you guys using for project management tools? I've had JIRA
 recommended to me by a few people, but it seems focused on software
 development. One of my partners asked us to check out Producteev and
 Planbox. Neither Planbox nor Producteev has responded to any of my
 inquiries.

 Producteev doesn't support templates (seems like a must-have) and hasn't
 had any blog or Twitter posts in nine months. Seems like a dead product.
 Otherwise, it seems to support rather simple projects just fine.

 Planbox does support templates, though the functionality seems broken.
 They seem to be active (other than a lack of response to direct inquiries),
 but also seems to require more complex projects with their four tiered
 approach.

 There are more project management platforms than wifi vendors, so I was
 hoping for some qualified leads.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP GUI Updates

[Jon Auer]

Yeah... And pretty much painful if it's a BH link that's freaking out and
you need to get into the far side to fix something or whatever.

I watched a ePMP page load in Chrome Dev tools and it's pretty apparent
why: they have a ton of included css  js (mostly js) that should be
combined and minified. I see 102 different file requests from logging in to
the main page, mostly js fragments.

It's puzzling. There's leading-edge webdev stuff to save bandwidth e.g.
using webfont glyfs instead of image icons and then there's badness like
tons of requests for little js here, little js there instead of having it
bundled up into one big js that's been minified.

It adds up to a few meg just to open the UI which is a bit nuts, besides
all the back and forth requesting resources until it's all settled out.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 I think it got worse actually.  Feels slower...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 5, 2015 4:36 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote:

 Has there been any advancement on the EPMP GUI yet?  We've been at 2.4.2
 for a Month now.

 The Boss want's to start billing Cambium for the time that the guys are
 just sitting staring at the screen waiting for the GUI to load.

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[Jon Auer]

Too pragmatic for fashion  trendiness? :)

I think there's room in the middle for those of us that just want to get
things done using whatever works: haul the bits, write the code, and move
on.

There's a gulf between Random Joe MSP dude that doesn't know anything about
a network beyond what he configures in Active Directory and Tony the ops
tiger that testing  tuning things to death and then writing a paper about
it.
I see a lot of people in the middle with envy for the top and doing the
apple thing, but not all of them...

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

 What about those who use linux as their daily driver on their laptop,
 use BSD/vyatta/mikrotik/edgeOS for routing, have a RB2011 at home, a
 Ubiquiti CPE to the office, a garage full of various
 routers/switches/network devices, multiple android phones, android tablets,
 and who buys their wife chromebooks? (which she LOVES btw)

 ...where do I fit in? :(


 On 2015-05-16 2:33 pm, Jon Auer wrote:

 You know, I think Chuck is on to something with his Apples vs Dells
 comparison, just with a twist: Apple devices are used by a large
 portion of the elites and those that aspire to join them (with some
 obvious limitations e.g. EDA/CAD space). In that sense yes, there's a
 large number of idiots buying them to fit in or for conspicuous
 consumption.

 Beyond that,

 Everyone I know that is truly excellent in IT (be it ISP,MSP,dev) uses
 a high-res macbook pro and a iphone. Everyone I know that doesn't
 stand out that much or is just punching a clock uses a windows pc.

 By truly excellent I mean the people doing things at mind-bending
 scale: event wifi for a stadium of nerds+setup in days+with 4x10G
 internet handoff or leading-edge routing research.

 Not trying to be a platform fanboy here. I use  abuse whatever's best
 for the job. Currently rocking: android phone, juniper router, aruba
 wifi, windows pc (because visual studio), high-res macbook pro
 (sidestep the linux systemd/gnome3/whatever bs), and a chromebook
 (serial console, ssh, web browser).

 I prefer the chromebook.

 On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

  The only thing that works best on Apple products are idiots.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com [1]

 -

 FROM: Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com
 TO: af@afmug.com
 SENT: Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:11:41 PM
 SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment


 I'm the farthest right wing conservative you're likely to ever meet,
 not rich but not poor, and white. I only use PC if there is an
 absolute reason for it...and that is extremely rare. All of the best
 networking tools work best on mac.

 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield

  On May 16, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com

 wrote:


 Apples, (black)Lincolns and Birkenstocks are for rich liberal

 democrats.


 PCs (specifically Dells), white Cadillacs and Ostrich Boots are

 for rich conservative republicans.


 Republican boys like to date democrat girls but marry republican

 girls (and later cheat with democrat divorcees).


 Democrat girls like to date democrat boys but they are all too

 poor and stoned and majoring in liberal arts or political science.


 Republican girls just run around with each other getting drunk

 until some republican boy sobers up enough to ask them for marriage.


 Poor republican boys get reality shows involving guns, mud,

 moonshine and wrestling animals in a swamp.


 Poor democrat boys wear shirts with political causes printed on

 them, hang out with Goth cutter girls and smoke cigarettes.


 Give a republican boy a welder and he will make a swamp buggy out

 of an old VW.

 Give a democrat boy a welder and he will turn it into an objet

 d'art symbolizing the military industrial oppression of the worker.


 And that is why there are so many apple haters here...

 -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 12:43 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

 I buy all of my groceries at Walmart and most of my electronics at

 apple. There are a lot of apple haters on here it seems.


 I can walk a customer through setting up their AirPort Extreme a

 lot easier than Asus, netgear, or dlink. The Apple interface never
 changes. It's the same for every model. The others change their gui
 quite frequently.


 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield

  On May 16, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 I remember telling a customer he should either learn how to

 configure his AirPort himself, get AppleCare, or get a regular
 router like a Linksys or Netgear with a web GUI if he expected his
 ISP to provide step-by-step phone support.


 He said he would go out and buy a non-Apple router.

 He came back with a TimeMachine.

 That's another thing I hate about Apple, they have to use special

 names for ordinary things, so people don't

Re: [AFMUG] OT - ultrawide displays

[Jon Auer]

I found the AOC 29 IPS monitors to be a good upgrade from my 22ers. ~$350
per: http://www.amazon.com/AOC-Q2963PM-29-inch-IPS-Resolution/dp/B00BLZAYHC

5 years ago I was using 4x22 but now I'm down to 1x29. You can fit a
spreadsheet and mail client side by side without getting crunched and I'm
not moving my head as much so my neck is happy.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Christopher Tyler ch...@totalhighspeed.net
wrote:

 For $1199.00... EACH...
 I think I'll stick with my four(4) standard 22 side-by-side monitors.

 --
 Christopher Tyler
 MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
 Total Highspeed Internet Services
 417.851.1107

 - Original Message -
 From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 5:56:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - ultrawide displays

 Pretty $ure

 Jaime Solorza
 On Apr 6, 2015 4:47 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
 geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

   I can buy those!?
 
  On 4/6/2015 4:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
 
  most impressive ones I have seen were
   at ATT Stadium
 
   Jaime Solorza
  Wireless Systems Architect
  915-861-1390
 
  On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 
  I did not know such things existed.  21:9 aspect ratio and curved
 screen.
  3440 x 1440 pixels.
 
 
 
 http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=usl=ens=dhscs=19sku=210-ADTR
 
  I figured this would be the answer for those of you who put 2 monitors
  side-by-side.  But of course they show 2 of THESE side-by-side.
 
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Jon Auer]

It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of
fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device
type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things,
logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium
returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing.

That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like
Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates.

I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few
months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty
much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time
constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness
to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be
perceived as self-entitled communication from some users.

The hostile reaction to WISP gear:
CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB - Work done to
support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other
Enterprise/Wireline devices.

Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev
instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to
match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what
happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS
complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug
reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard
way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You
just can't win.

I digress
So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I
write what I need. I may not  appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm
being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there
is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see
supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll
look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need
to monitor all the things.

There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness 
saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous
things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me,
allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM).
You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be
insightful.
/I digress

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to
 track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like
 hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote:

 Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us may
 have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy
 other products you want to support.


 The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send
 the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is
 available and work on adding support.

 Thanks,

 Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Jon Auer]

, Apr 4, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net
 *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of
 fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device
 type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things,
 logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium
 returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing.

 That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like
 Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates.

 I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few
 months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty
 much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time
 constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness
 to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be
 perceived as self-entitled communication from some users.

 The hostile reaction to WISP gear:
 CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB - Work done to
 support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other
 Enterprise/Wireline devices.

 Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev
 instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to
 match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what
 happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS
 complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug
 reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard
 way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You
 just can't win.

 I digress
 So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so
 I write what I need. I may not  appreciate the politics of Observium but
 I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support
 there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see
 supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll
 look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need
 to monitor all the things.

 There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness
  saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous
 things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me,
 allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM).
 You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be
 insightful.
 /I digress

 On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to
 track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like
 hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

 On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote:

 Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :)  Some of us may
 have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy
 other products you want to support.


 The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to
 send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what
 data is available and work on adding support.

 Thanks,

 Neil

Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

[Jon Auer]

Fair enough, there are soup nazi aspects, though I've come to appreciate
them after I got past my initial surprise. Ports that are enabled but
unused being in alarm was the big one for me.

Also, it does not require reverse DNS, only forward. I suspect syslog
collection needs reverse DNS to match up with hosts but I don't use that...

There are good non-soup-nazi reasons to require hostnames as identifiers
instead of IPs, not the least of which is if you're using IPs now you make
IPv6 compatability a problem. I could go on about the many benefits of
hostname as device ID as opposed to IP or integer but I'm not trying to
sell anything  :)


On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   I stopped caring about Observium when someone said it wouldn’t monitor
 something by IP address, it required both forward and reverse DNS.  Even
 though Mike tried to defend that.  It’s “Soup Nazi” logic.  Everything else
 in the world accepts an IP address in place of a hostname, I suspect you
 have to write extra code to NOT do that.


  *From:* Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net
 *Sent:* Saturday, April 04, 2015 5:52 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS

  Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear
 has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet
 equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and
 grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like,
 that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on.
 Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the
 drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint.

 That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's
 volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
 We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are
 the client from hell.

 What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from...
  [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely
 understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes.
 period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction?
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking
 idea
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true.
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take
 no for an answer
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look
 away from the screen?
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS
 OF USERS, PLZ
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you?
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay.
 if he doesn't, ignore?
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] *oh, they all say they
 want to pay*
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:49] Ah.
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:10] *but when they realise it
 costs more than $5...*
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:20:15] Right.
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems
 to be rammed full of overly entitled douches
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally
 justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:00] every new MODEL they
 release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:04] it's ridiculous
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own
 success.
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:23] and none of these people
 will ever listen when you tell them
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming
 back and coming back
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:35] *he's asked here a few
 times*
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:40] *and we've had these
 conversations on the mailing list*
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:44] *and god knows what else*
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:02] and you'd think
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:03] when someone says
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:07] fuck off, it's not going
 to happen
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:13] you'd realise that was,
 well, that
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the
 advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market
 penetration... over your express wishes (-:
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his
 own pet hardware supported
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:23:12] That too.
 [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama

Re: [AFMUG] Google Maps

[Jon Auer]

Have you looked at the Spatial extensions for SQL Server?
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb933790.aspx?f=255MSPPError=-2147217396

That should take care of all the querying once you get the shape/polygon
from Google Maps API.

Plat uses lat+lon columns of (iirc) float instead of the proper point type
in one column so I ended up adding a point column and populating it from
the lat/lon.



On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net
wrote:

  I’m sticking it in Microsoft SQL as additional tables to my Platypus SQL
 stuff.





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *D. Ryan Spott
 *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 5:05 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Maps



 What is your database? I have some PHP code I wrote a while ago that maps
 things.

 ryan

 On 3/30/15 3:50 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

 Anyone ever tied in a database to google maps and earth?



 I want to define a boundary area on the map and then take address fields from 
 a database and put them in there, on the map as I'm viewing it.

Re: [AFMUG] calix 726GE ONT

[Jon Auer]

My parents have a Calix indoor ONT.
At install time the tech from little local ILEC told them it would lock up
from time to time and need to be power cycled.
They have to power cycle it (not their router) anywhere from four times a
week to twice a month.

Very surprised since I've never heard anything bad about Calix. I suspect
bad firmware combo/misconfig, but not my network so...

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

 Looking for horror stories :)


 On March 18, 2015 4:38:49 AM AKDT, Craig Schmaderer 
 cr...@skywaveconnect.com wrote:

 We use all of there products.  The 700 series onts are rock solid.  For 
 residential we now use the 800 series indoor onts with AC routers.  What 
 specific questions do you have?



  On Mar 18, 2015, at 6:00 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  We use the indoor ONTs.  They seem to work perfectly fine.

  -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 
 2015 8:28 PM To: af@afmug.com ; fi...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG] calix 
 726GE ONT
  Is anybody here using Calix 726GE ONTs or similar models?

  What has been your experience with them? Offlist replies are fine.

  Thanks

  --
  --
  Josh Reynolds
  CIO, SPITwSPOTS
  www.spitwspots.com


 --
 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading

[Jon Auer]

The ban on throttling is necessary both to fulfill the reasonable
expectations of a customer who signs up for a broadband service that
promises access to all of the lawful Internet, and to avoid gamesmanship
designed to avoid the no-blocking rule by, for example, rendering an
application effectively, but not technically, unusable. It prohibits the
degrading of Internet traffic based on source, destination, or content.

Seems pretty clear.

I have a competitor that was using a Procera device to degrade Youtube by
throttling streams back to SD (though it seems like they stopped sometime
since I last checked the Youtube VQR). Seems like that wouldn't be
considered reasonable network management under this.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

  Not sure why.

 If you talk to the man on the street, they're going to interpret this as
 everyone should get 1 Gbps to every device in the nation, and that the
 cost should be $9.99 per month.

 That's not the reality. So in reality, ISPs will continue to do bandwidth
 management to accommodate what is actually possible on a case-by-case basis.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On 3/12/2015 9:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Procera is gonna hate this I think.

  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Light Reading

 Something to do this weekend.

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Jon Auer]

Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems
like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code
so they could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with
making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus
Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio
(maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX
 software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own
 mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what
 Mercury would say now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not
 LTE) version now?  I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

 I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury,
 not the part that went to Redline.

 If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different
 software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


 -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)



  PW is not SDR based


 So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
 Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.

Re: [AFMUG] poll: do you do your own DNS entirely in house?

[Jon Auer]

Work:
Authoritative: Yes, working on anycast via different datacenters with
different ASNs instead of your ns3 example.
Recursive: Yes, anycasted from multiple datacenters.

Personal/consulting authoritative: Amazon Route53.

I got back and forth on putting all authoritative on Route53. We host
enough domains that the per-domain fixed costs aren't anything to sneeze at.
Recursive is so easy and is a quick performance improvement for page load
(watch how many different hosts are contacted for the average web page.
Latency matters).

No matter what, maintain the ability to change records without say, opening
a ticket for a 3rd party.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:16 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com 
e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:

   Ex:

  Authoritative ns1 and ns2 for your domains, ns3 authoritative in a
 different geographical location?

  Recursive/caching for clients?

  Control all your own MX and SPF records?

Re: [AFMUG] Aruba Networks?

[Jon Auer]

They target the enterprise market. Way easier to work with than Cisco's
enterprise WiFi system IMO.

My apartment is a RF mess in 2.4Ghz. I've been cycling through WiFi vendors
every quarter or two for the past couple of years to see how their products
behave between my work, my wife's streaming  work, etc.

I have a pair of the Ruckus IAP93 (embedded controller, APs on same LAN
work it out, otherwise all their stuff wants a controller) and they
tag-team finding clear channels and shifting clients and AP channels around
to dodge the neighbor's microwave, WiFi (my neighbors include
appliance/telco service people that bring their trucks home at night with
onboard WiFi hotspots), etc.
Shorter range than UniFi at it's best but it's winning at it just works
all the time.

They have some interesting features too.
The APs can build a VPN per SSID back to different endpoints so your cash
registers go on the SSID that VPNs back to the billing system, staff VPNs
to somewhere else, etc.

They have neat teleworker/remote office boxes to send home with staff. One
box VPNs back to your main office, does WiFi just like in the office for
staff devices, and does PoE out to a desk phone. It tracks MOS score for
the phone inside the VPN, etc.

Built-in username/password for WPA2-Enterprise if you want (username/pass
per employee) so you get the ease of WPA2-PSK with WPA2-Enterprise's
per-user control.

We still like UniFi for low to medium density in unchallenging
environments, though I'm getting tired of hacking up UniFi controller
config files to make handoff sorta work.
I hear Xirrus is the best for high-density from people that do WiFi at
large events (e.g. basketball stadium full of gamers) but haven't had a
need/chance to play with it yet...

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   I see HP bought them.  Never heard of them.  I would have thought that
 if they were any good this crowd would have been talking about this at some
 time or other.

Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Forwarding Engines

[Jon Auer]

NSE has hardware acceleration for packet forwarding. It's your best bet for
general routing. I use them and like them.

NPE has a faster CPU but doesn't have the PXF accelerator. It's slower for
raw routing but faster at broadband agg, route reflector, features.
IMO you'd normally chose a NPE-Gsomething in a 7200 instead of NPE in 7304
unless you want the route engine redundancy option or other line cards.
On Feb 22, 2015 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
wrote:

 What are the specific applications where I might want a C7304-NSE-150 over
 a C7304-NPE-G100? The side-by-side comparison chart makes the NSE look
 better, but I'm not sure what the more specialized processor(s) in the NSE
 does/does not do well.

 -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 477 question, reseller lines

[Jon Auer]

That's how it works for voice/USF but (IANAL) not how I read the filing
instructions for 477.

http://transition.fcc.gov/form477/WhoMustFileForm477.pdf

Facilities-Based Provider: An entity is a facilities-based provider if any
of the following conditions are met: (1) it owns the portion of the
physical facility that terminates at the enduser premises or obtains the
right to use dark fiber or satellite transponder capacity as part of its
own network to complete such terminations; (2) it obtains unbundled network
element (UNE) loops, special access lines, or other leased facilities that
terminate at the end-user premises and provisions/equips them as broadband;
(3) it provisions/equips a broadband wireless channel to the end-user
premises over licensed or unlicensed spectrum; or (4) it provides
terrestrial mobile wireless service using its own network facilities and
spectrum for which it holds a license, manages, or has obtained the right
to use via a spectrum leasing arrangement.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 If you bill for it, you're responsible to file for it.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




 - Original Message -
 From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:58:12 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: [AFMUG] 477 question, reseller lines

 We resell some copper and some fiber, but we dont own it, maintain it, or
 support it, we just bill for it. do these rates need to be included in 477?

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
 part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] GEPON OLT SFP

[Jon Auer]

Erm, Topic oops. OMCI is a GPON thing, not, AFAIK, a GEPON thing.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote:

 Optics designed for use with OLTs assume that the OLT will handle OMCI
 which is why they won't work with Mikrotik/whatever.

 Something like
 http://www.nucom.hk/index.php/products/gpon/item/nu-gp6-gpon-sfp-ont
 should work.
 It presents as a standard ethernet interface to the host and is managed by
 the OLT.
 You want to look for something that supports OMCI onboard instead of
 assuming the device it's plugged into handles OMCI.

 If you've seen a DOCSIS HWIC in a Cisco router it's the same concept. The
 card extends the reach of the service provider environment into a otherwise
 untrusted end-user device.

 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Jason Pond p...@grizzlyinternet.com
 wrote:

 According to mikrotik forums the SFP version of the ONT will not work
 with their devices.

 With that being said it would be great if they did make them work.  Even
 through indoor ONT's are already inexpensive they just lack the feature
 sets we are used to.

 Sincerely,

 Jason Pond
 Grizzly Internet, Inc

 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 I think I know what Gino is asking...

 There are regular SFP's that have GPON built into it that can be plugged
 into a switch.  It can turn any standard SFP port into a GPON port on the
 ONU side, not OLT.

 Here's a video example...
 http://www.finisar.com/products/optical-modules/pon/FTGN2117P2xUN

 http://www.finisar.com/blogs/lightspeed/ofc-2012-finisar-gpon-stick-product-demonstration/

 These should work in a MikroTik and make it an ONU.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:54 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   But Mikrotik could totally own the cheap and dirty GPON space if
 they did do such a thing.

  *From:* Jason Pond p...@grizzlyinternet.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 9, 2015 9:47 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GEPON OLT SFP

  Chuck is correct. they are not the same size.  There are no SFP's for
 GPON that work in any Mikrotik units.

  Sincerely,

 Jason Pond
 Grizzly Internet, Inc


 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Does it even fit physically?

  *From:* Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 9, 2015 8:15 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] GEPON OLT SFP

Anyone tried this? Is it doable?

 Thinking OLT into SW SFP ports



 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr

Re: [AFMUG] GEPON OLT SFP

[Jon Auer]

Also, OLT vs ONU. The link I included was for a ONT SFP.
OLTs need similar OMCI functionality.
This is why I shouldn't post to lists while getting caught up on Blacklist.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote:

 Erm, Topic oops. OMCI is a GPON thing, not, AFAIK, a GEPON thing.

 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote:

 Optics designed for use with OLTs assume that the OLT will handle OMCI
 which is why they won't work with Mikrotik/whatever.

 Something like
 http://www.nucom.hk/index.php/products/gpon/item/nu-gp6-gpon-sfp-ont
 should work.
 It presents as a standard ethernet interface to the host and is managed
 by the OLT.
 You want to look for something that supports OMCI onboard instead of
 assuming the device it's plugged into handles OMCI.

 If you've seen a DOCSIS HWIC in a Cisco router it's the same concept. The
 card extends the reach of the service provider environment into a otherwise
 untrusted end-user device.

 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Jason Pond p...@grizzlyinternet.com
 wrote:

 According to mikrotik forums the SFP version of the ONT will not work
 with their devices.

 With that being said it would be great if they did make them work.  Even
 through indoor ONT's are already inexpensive they just lack the feature
 sets we are used to.

 Sincerely,

 Jason Pond
 Grizzly Internet, Inc

 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 I think I know what Gino is asking...

 There are regular SFP's that have GPON built into it that can be
 plugged into a switch.  It can turn any standard SFP port into a GPON port
 on the ONU side, not OLT.

 Here's a video example...
 http://www.finisar.com/products/optical-modules/pon/FTGN2117P2xUN

 http://www.finisar.com/blogs/lightspeed/ofc-2012-finisar-gpon-stick-product-demonstration/

 These should work in a MikroTik and make it an ONU.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:54 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   But Mikrotik could totally own the cheap and dirty GPON space if
 they did do such a thing.

  *From:* Jason Pond p...@grizzlyinternet.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 9, 2015 9:47 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GEPON OLT SFP

  Chuck is correct. they are not the same size.  There are no SFP's
 for GPON that work in any Mikrotik units.

  Sincerely,

 Jason Pond
 Grizzly Internet, Inc


 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Does it even fit physically?

  *From:* Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 9, 2015 8:15 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] GEPON OLT SFP

Anyone tried this? Is it doable?

 Thinking OLT into SW SFP ports



 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing airFiber X

[Jon Auer]

Seems like a perfect niche to me.
Should fill the gap between rocket / epmp PTP and licensed quite nicely and
for a lot less $$$ than ptp3/5/600.

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  Too late!

  So only 500 Mbps total!

 Gino A. Villarini
 @gvillarini



 On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:

   ;-)  What link?

 On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote:

 WOW! Ubiquiti sure pulled that link down fast.  It’s no longer found.

  Thank you,
 Brett A Masnfield
 Silver Lake Internet, LLC


  On Feb 3, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

  So, how much are the dishes that they require?

  ---

  The airFiber AF-5X radio operates only with an airFiber
 antenna or a retrofitted RocketDish™ antenna.
 airFiber antenna models:

  • AF-5G23-S45
 • AF-5G30-S45
 • AF-5G34-S45

  Retrofit accessory for RocketDish (RD-5G30/RD-5G34):
 • AF-5G-OMT-S45

 On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote:

 Looks like you were right:
 http://dl.ubnt.com/guides/airfiber/airFiber_AF-5X_QSG.pdf

 On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  I'm guessing 5 GHz connectorized. $399 sure can't have as much
 material as the larger units. It looks to be small, like a standard radio.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

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 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, February 2, 2015 1:47:29 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] FW: Introducing airFiber X


  Here is a copy of the email.

 Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] FW: Introducing airFiber X

[Jon Auer]

Looks like you were right:
http://dl.ubnt.com/guides/airfiber/airFiber_AF-5X_QSG.pdf

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 I'm guessing 5 GHz connectorized. $399 sure can't have as much material as
 the larger units. It looks to be small, like a standard radio.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

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 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, February 2, 2015 1:47:29 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] FW: Introducing airFiber X


 Here is a copy of the email.

 Adam



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Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[Jon Auer via Af]

Busybox is just the shell/utility bundle for userland on embedded devices.
Ubiquiti is built on OpenWRT and OpenWRT has had multi-SSID for ages. UniFi
has multi-SSID so their toolchain has it/hardware supports it.
My guess would be they see AirX as part of the AirMax development process
and there's something in their custom drivers for AirMax that makes them
not want to do it.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:30 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 somthing newer then busybox linux had?

 On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 What kernel was Mikrotik using 10 years ago?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:12:00 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers
 and AirGateways.

 last I heard they needed to update the Kernal to get multi SSID's to work
  I think they did not in 5.6Beta but I'm sure they want to get 5.6 Final
 out fast as they can Multi SSID's i'm sure will get more antenntion after
 5.6 final is out its on beta6 right now..

 On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:42 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 UBNT amazes me with this, Im pretty sure the multi ESSID thread is the
 longest running active thread on their forum, yet they cant do it.
 Users have found ways to somewhat get it to happen, but not cleanly, but
 they dont have programmatic access to the device

 I know this is not a complicated thing, almost every single wireless
 product on the market these days supports it in some form or another.

 I could see hiding behind the well, it wont work with our proprietary
 wireless algorithm I can see that on the commercial side, but the home
 devices? I doubt anyone on this list is turning that on on airrouters or
 gateways for customers since most customers end devices arent ubiquiti
 products.

 I think they dont do it strictly out of spite now

 On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 They'll say, We weren't aware anyone wanted that. That's what the
 vendors say when they don't want to actually tell us why they haven't done
 something.

 I haven't been too excited about multi-SSID in the macro network, but
 auto-associated and provisioned CPE would be nice.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:53:17 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers
 and AirGateways.


 Make that on all of the products.   Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’
 SSID that the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we
 use to lock the CPE to the sector once it’s installed.

 What is so hard about this?   Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years
 ago.

 Mark

 On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 +1
 On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID
 for guests for example, is becoming a problem.  I had 3 people in the last
 2 weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them.  Come on 
 guys,
 we’ve been asking for this for 5 years.  It’s time.



 Rory Conaway
 Triad Wireless
 4226 S. 37th Street
 Phoenix, Az.  85040
 602-426-0542
 r...@triadwireless.net
 www.triadwireless.net



 “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”








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 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
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Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

[Jon Auer via Af]

Like this?
http://ce.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/docs/pdf/misc/das-hybrid-flyer.pdf
I just saw a Ad for it on the second page of OSP magazine (which is free
and full of interesting Ads).

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:02 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra
 copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's
 possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its
 own jacket?

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