Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
That looks like a ghetto version of IPOQUE. On December 30, 2014 11:03:02 PM AKST, Ryan Ray via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Here's what a Palo Alto will get you. [image: Inline image 1] You can drill down into any of the categories to get more detailed info on who or what or add a filter for a specific ip. [image: Inline image 2] [image: Inline image 3] On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I've been batting around doing something with a managed router that would show internal usage. Still won't show where they were going, but would show how much each device in their network was using. So, they could see that little Bobby's ipad have 2 Gig of download between 2am and 3am. Had some nice stuff working on a mikrotik with a openwrt metarouter running, just wasn't stable enough. Had one trial with a raspberry pi doing the tracking. Worked great, but didn't like having two devices. Next step is the cloud. Tried it once before on a virtual machine running XP. Just didn't scale right. Going to try again with more horsepower. Attached is the Alpha screen I was testing with. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Friday, December 26, 2014, 12:01:54 PM, you wrote: WAvA Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to WAvA providea customer a detailed report on Internet usage. Iￜm WAvA talking about theability to show a customer, on usage based WAvA billing, what caused theconsumption.ￜ My thought would be to WAvA route the customers IP through aspecialized process for a WAvA limited period of time so details could becollected.ￜ A sort of WAvA debug mode. WAvA ￜ WAvA Steve B WAvA ￜ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - grandstream analog trunk
Twice yesterday it started working and then stopped again with no user intervention. Think it may be time to rerun the building lines from the panel. On December 30, 2014 9:59:08 AM AKST, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Did this get fixed? From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 3:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - grandstream analog trunk Gotta be a config somewhere that needs to be twiddled. Is the POTS into the device at 48/56 volts on hook? If not it may think the line is off hook. If you get POTS from an ILEC it will probably have that voltage, but if you get it from an ATA or some other method it may be too low. From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - grandstream analog trunk Yes. I'm assuming it can since calls to the office go to the phone correctly. This is an in-office setup only. No sip trunks, just a few analog devices on FXS ports on sip gateways, and some sip android clients that register directly with the UCM6104. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/29/2014 12:36 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Is the trunk (FXO) actually connected to a POTS line? Does it try, like can you monitor the POTS line and hear it go off hook? Can you make calls to a sip trunk? From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] offtopic - grandstream analog trunk Anybody here have any tricks for getting a UCM6104 to use the damn analog trunk? The trunk is configured, no password on it (have tried with and without). Basic call routes have been configured including a catch-all, but whatever I do no phone will actually use the analog trunk(s). Any pointers? -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling
SNMP polling is normally UDP as well :P
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
On 12/29/2014 09:19 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
Poll for data, use traps for emergencies or unusual events that you
don't want to wait around for.
Belt and suspenders I guess. Poll to collect all your data;
historical and otherwise. Use traps for alert situations. Important
caveat is that traps are UDP, and so may get lost when bad things are
happening on the network.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/29/2014 8:46 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
When attempting to collect system wide status and alarm data
real-time, are traps reliable enough or should you just poll
everything on a regular basis?
Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3565975/why-is-snmp-usually-run-over-udp-and-not-tcp-ip
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
On 12/29/2014 09:43 AM, Simon Westlake via Af wrote:
Yeah, but at least you can treat a failed poll response as a failure.
On 12/29/2014 12:37 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
SNMP polling is normally UDP as well :P
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
On 12/29/2014 09:19 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
Poll for data, use traps for emergencies or unusual events that
you don't want to wait around for.
Belt and suspenders I guess.� Poll to collect all your data;
historical and otherwise.� Use traps for alert situations.
Important caveat is that traps are UDP, and so may get lost when bad
things are happening on the network.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/29/2014 8:46 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
When attempting to collect system wide status and alarm data
real-time, are traps reliable enough or should you just poll
everything on a regular basis?
Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling
This. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/29/2014 09:47 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote: On 12/29/14 10:19, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Important caveat is that traps are UDP, and so may get lost when bad things are happening on the network. Use an SNMP inform instead of a trap, if the device supports it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT need apple help
Google? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/29/2014 10:05 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: One of our office ladies bought an Apple laptop and it has a recovery or firmware password on it. That's all that was explained to me. Is there any way to make this thing work? I haven't touched an Apple since high school, and I think that was pre OSX.
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!
what the fu josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/29/2014 10:51 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Six core, actually, but it's a 5 year old six core processor running on a system with 321 processes happening at the moment and 90% of my 16 GB of RAM filled. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:49:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! you must have a quad core processor, try it from a slower machine Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Dec 29, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: When did you last use it? I'm clicking around a backhaul I've got running 2.2 and it seems awfully responsive. Loading each screen is damn near instantaneous. It doesn't require the reboot that UBNT requires when changing anything not involving the radio. I'm not sure what everyone's beef is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:11:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Just because it's better than something worse doesn't justify leaving it as bad as it is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Use ArcMap. You'll have a new metric for non-responsive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:08:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! The interface is pretty clunky. It needs to be made more responsive. The alignment functionality is a an absolute joke. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote They're not perfect, but they're far from that bad. Ignoring the mechanics of the Force 100, 10 minutes to upgrade and configure? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those radios I would be jumping off the roof myself. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I was a relatively early adopter. Not believing my techs, I went to the field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle with me! After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a desist. We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs out now. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better, Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back. Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save us all Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
[AFMUG] offtopic - grandstream analog trunk
Anybody here have any tricks for getting a UCM6104 to use the damn analog trunk? The trunk is configured, no password on it (have tried with and without).Basic call routes have been configured including a catch-all, but whatever I do no phone will actually use the analog trunk(s). Any pointers? -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - grandstream analog trunk
Yes. I'm assuming it can since calls to the office go to the phone correctly. This is an in-office setup only. No sip trunks, just a few analog devices on FXS ports on sip gateways, and some sip android clients that register directly with the UCM6104. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/29/2014 12:36 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Is the trunk (FXO) actually connected to a POTS line? Does it try, like can you monitor the POTS line and hear it go off hook? Can you make calls to a sip trunk? From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] offtopic - grandstream analog trunk Anybody here have any tricks for getting a UCM6104 to use the damn analog trunk? The trunk is configured, no password on it (have tried with and without). Basic call routes have been configured including a catch-all, but whatever I do no phone will actually use the analog trunk(s). Any pointers?
Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] UBNT equipment - Atlanta
UBNT does actually have an Atlanta office... and Chicago, Los Angeles, San Diego, Taiwan, and a few otherplaces... :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/28/2014 05:40 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Matt lives down there... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 28, 2014 9:32 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: I need help. Who here has some UBNT equipment in Atlanta ? Came down to my brother in laws. They moved to another house in Cobb County. Have a three story home with a Belkin. Wifi sucks. Will never be able to work here ! Doesn't UBNT have a downtown Atlanta office ? Sent from my iPhone ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS
Let's start a riot, a riot. Let's start a riot... On December 27, 2014 8:20:45 PM AKST, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: come on fanboys, defend the sync! On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m impressed with the new AC 60 degree sectors so far.. You might want to give them a try.. As far as sync goes, as others have mentioned the currently available UBNT 802.11N sync solution just does not cut it operationally, I would stamp AVOID on it. May get better with the AC hardware based sync, but that’s not available yet, so time will tell. -Peter -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
[AFMUG] Ghana
How did you get involved in this? -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ghana
j...@spitwspots.com On December 26, 2014 4:28:29 AM AKST, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What's your email address? Since the list change this is unlike any common sort of email list software, hiding all the senders... On Dec 26, 2014 12:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How did you get involved in this? -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] OT? Work-as-life
I was blown away with the continued number of emails on this list over the past three days. I'll check emails, but I'm not doing a damn thing work related unless a few hundred subs are offline. If I worked any more than I already do I'd be divorced and my kids wouldn't know my name. On December 26, 2014 12:19:03 PM AKST, Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Less than an hour ago I went on a rare FB visit and, seeing what others were doing, posted a thought: Today I will not be doing any work, paid or volunteer projects, other than house cleaning. I don't know this feeling. Now it seems that may have been a lie as I'm helping troubleshoot router issues a country away and sorting a big Monoprice order of A/V gear I received for a client. It seems a number of the more involved people on this list live in the same manner: their job/projects are their life... I have also lived and struggled with roommates who spent entire months doing nothing. Is that difference in people based more on personality or the environment? Does it get easier or more difficult as you get older? (from physical AF I noticed many here were in their 40s-50s) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission
I went through the Army Combat Lifesaver course in a former life, then went through some impromptu combat medical training with 3rd BN 75th Ranger Regiment for a few weeks during deployment - nothing official, but incredibly valuable. I still keep a red medical bag in my jeep just for emergencies. I've always wanted to go through official EMT training, just don't want the response burden that goes along with it. I enjoy being able to help in an emergency under good samaritan laws. On December 25, 2014 6:29:23 PM AKST, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was an EMT in a former life. Hated it. Not my cup of postum. From: Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission Hello guys, Merry Christmas! I'm currently in Accra, Ghana working on getting a new visa for Sierra Leone. For the first quarter of this year I'm contracting with an international NGO which is providing WAN connectivity to other agencies responding to the Ebola crisis. We are using a mixture of satellite based and terrestrial PTP/PtMP technologies to accomplish the last mile access. Over the next few weeks you may see me posting photos from Freetown, Sierra Leone to the afmug list. If it becomes excessive please let me know. Communicating with you guys back in the US is a big stress relief for me. If anyone wants my direct contact info, please email and I will send back my iridium number and local SIM cards' numbers. REQUEST: If anyone knows a fearless EMT/Paramedic who wants to accompany a tower climbing team for multi month periods of time, in exchange for good financial compensation, please get in touch. No Ebola treatment unit entry required. To date, zero aid agency workers who do not have direct personal contact with Ebola patients have contracted the disease. Adventure and relatively low risk. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Boobs! On December 25, 2014 7:44:13 PM AKST, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste Those are usually the movies I prefer. That and stuff with boobs or things that blow up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:41:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Yea, it was sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste. I watched it out of pure patriotism. J Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:13 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Neither actor interest me. Actually none of the movie fare piques my interest all. We always go to movies on Christmas Day. Oh well. Enjoy the movie Jaime Solorza On Dec 25, 2014 9:03 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are watching it now. Rory From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review The Interview. Exactly what you would expect from Rogan and Franco. Pineapple Express in North Korea. Instead of video killed the radio star I think it now is - streaming has killed the distribution company. Odd that my wife bought me a book for Christmas. Half way through it I watched the move on YouTube. The book is “Escape from Camp 14”. Biography of a kid that was born in a North Korean prison camp. He grew up and escaped. So far he is the only one they know about. I have read Victor Frankl, Anne Frank and others. Have seen “Night and Fog” multiple times. North Korea is worse in some ways. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Care too post it? On December 25, 2014 8:12:50 PM AKST, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I just got a DPRK takedown notice! TorrentFreak says over 750K people have already pirated it. I didn't think it would be an issue... On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Boobs! On December 25, 2014 7:44:13 PM AKST, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste Those are usually the movies I prefer. That and stuff with boobs or things that blow up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:41:56 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Yea, it was sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste. I watched it out of pure patriotism. J /p Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza via Af *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:13 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Neither actor interest me. Actually none of the movie fare piques my int erest all. We always go to movies on Christmas Day. Oh well. Enjoy the movie Jaime Solorza On Dec 25, 2014 9:03 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are watching it now. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:38 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Movie Review The Interview. Exactly what you would expect from Rogan and Franco. Pineapple Express in North Korea. Instead of video killed the radio star I think it now is - streaming has killed the distribution company. Odd that my wife bought me a book for Christmas. Half way through it I watched the move on YouTube. The book is “Escape from Camp 14”. Biography of a kid that was born in a North Korean prison camp. He grew up and escaped. So far he is the only one they know about. I have read Victor Frankl, Anne Frank and others. Have seen “Night and Fog” multiple times. North Korea is worse in some ways. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?
If ease of upgrading the thin client is the problem, then it would seem to make sense to design better management tools. On December 25, 2014 9:48:11 PM AKST, Ryan Ray via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't think that regaining control is the right term. I worked for companies where it made total sense to do a vdi type solution and not for snooping on data but the ease of upgrading a thin client is a lot better than going and replacing a couple thousand desktops. Not to mention the ease of having a virtual machine that can be backed up centrally and restored within 20 minutes if need be. Sent while mobile On Dec 25, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Long ago, people had dumb terminals that were useless without the mainframe, while a centralized organization decided what software you could run, and snooped on your data. Luckily the PC was invented to free us from the tyranny of IT and the mainframe. The IT people tried to regain their control over us with thin clients, but we didn't fall for that trick. Now everything old is new again, and we have the cloud and devices and SaaS which basically means renting software. And if the cloud goes down, the devices are bricks. Even game consoles, even school textbooks, even Belkin routers. Can you imagine a book publisher going out of business, and the books on your shelves suddenly have blank pages? Pontiac goes out of business, and your Firebird stops running? -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down? On 12/25/14 11:30 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: Xbox? is that just because the game is stupidly made, or is it everything? That's how it all works now. Things call home to authorize you're allowed to use it. ~Seth -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS
I don't know anyone using GPS on ubnt On December 23, 2014 4:23:20 PM AKST, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our region is pretty noisy and getting noisier. Currently we are using Ubnt Rocket 90deg sectors although I have considered these to really be more like 75 degrees due UBNT using -6dB as the rolloff point. We have seen a dramatic improvement with a Titanium sector and plan on replacing the other rockets with Titaniums and considering going to 60deg or maybe even 45 degree and using GPS sync to reuse channels. What if any have been your experiences with going to narrower sectors for a given area? I would expect to see ~3dB improvement in links just by reducing the antenna pattern, and ~3dB due to power density. Additional gains might be made from improved F/B rejection and improved shielding, possibly another ~3dB? This could mean anywhere from 6-9dB improvement on every link. What are your experiences with UBNT GPS? We would not use dynamic, but rather fixed downlink %. I know we will give up some B/W but better spectrum management might be worth the trade. The link improvements should push the radios into higher modulation further mitigating the loss by using GPS Thoughts? Comments? Jerry -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video?
I would argue that 155mm artillery with proximity fuses with create enough heat/pressure to level most structures and individuals, and excalibur rounds can take out those pesky customers in-between two good ones :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: Why armor piercing, why not high explosive(HE) rounds? You're average customer is not likely to have any armored vehicles. HE would take out a house or building much more efficiently than depleted uranium rounds.
Re: [AFMUG] Siklu EH-1200FX
What freqs? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 04:38 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Many of you deploying the Siklu EH-1200FX radios yet? Marketing material looks good: 1 Gbps full duplex for around the price of an AF-24 link. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
[AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff
The start of the video shows invisible A/B pillars.. but I like this part better. http://youtu.be/c98h41TkREA?t=1m -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Who makes popcorn in the bathroom? You guys are crazy. There's tigers in
there.
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
On 12/11/2014 06:48 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
I think we've established that you do make popcorn in the bathroom...
or at least Ken does.
*From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af
[af@afmug.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:33 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
Amazonstreaming4Know.
But you don't make popcorn in the bathroom...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 11, 2014 9:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Chuck probably has one of those 96 inch 8K televisions. I saw a
report on the LG 8K TV at some show saying it was still old
technology because it was LCD not OLED.
The real story will probably be that if 4K TVs are now affordable,
1080p TVs are probably VERY affordable. Hence the people putting
them in every room of the house, streaming Netflix. Even the
bathroom. So you can watch while making popcorn.
*From:* Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
Amazonstreaming4Know.
You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the
picture to straighten up, right?
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
Amazonstreaming4Know.
i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what
4ktv is. i honestly don't even...
- Original Message -
*From:* Ryan Ghering via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
Amazon streaming4Know.
It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap
off brand 4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big
sale this week.
I've already had calls this morning if customers current
bandwidth will stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what
package we do offer that will support it and they freek out.
Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an
issue we dont offer that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get
the tv, and the subscription and call in, and CS will keep
saying, well isnt there anything we can do for this guy in
the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run? and
Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably
the boy, Im kind of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and
Playlater. It does not appear to be rocket science.
*From:* Jason McKemie via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our
bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the
movies from RAM, they could also figure out a way to
capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in
RAM, and someone would figure out a way to be able
to download them and put them on the Internet for
free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming
is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per
hour. Why not stick in a 32GB memory and be
done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
That's the only reason I like the LCD on the RB2011. I am currently using several as demarcs for commercial customers. I have the touchscreen portion disabled and locked to showing the wan port throughout. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/11/2014 07:06 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: We need tools to allow the customer to see what is happening in their house. Call support. Your service is slow? What does your XYZ utility say is happening now? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:29:05 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I don’t disagree, but it presents some marketing and tech support issues dealing with customers. If 4K streaming requires 25M as Netflix says, that’s around 15 times what SD requires and 6 times what HD (720p) requires. I don’t think customers think of it that way, and they certainly don’t want to pay 6 or 15 times as much, more like 1.5X or 2X if anything. Add this to the trend of having 2, 3, 5 or more streams going at once and in their head it’s a binary thing, can I stream on your service or can’t I? As someone posted the other day, 6M does not mean 6M per device. I already get a fair amount of calls from people either watching Netflix while others in the house are watching Youtube, or they are watching streams on their Apple TV or via Amazon or Hulu that take more bandwidth than Netflix. In some cases I think those services are optimized for download and watch later rather than live streaming. You’d think people would observe Netflix works but Vudu doesn’t, and blame it on the streaming service. But everything these days is “my Internet is slow”. I had someone yesterday who had managed to both turn off WiFi on their router and unplug the Internet cable, but the reported problem was “my Internet is slow”. Add in the binary choice “can I stream or can’t I”, and I think we need some really good talking points and phone support scripts to explain to people why they need to upgrade to a higher more expensive plan, rather than saying I used to be able to stream Netflix SD, now I can’t stream 4K, you need to send someone out to fix my Internet connection, it doesn’t work like it used to, I’m not getting what I’m paying for. As far as pricing, my rule of thumb is price goes up as the square root of bandwidth, so 2X speed is around 1.4X price. But that would make 15X speed around 4X price, which I think is fair, but customers will think is outrageous. From their perspective, 4K is incrementally better looking than SD, plus everyone knows additional bandwidth costs ISPs next to nothing. This is gonna take some slick marketing. *From:* Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:59 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I’m looking at this as the reason to raise prices. I don’t see a downside but I don’t have towers. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:24 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to straighten up, right? *From:*CBB - Jay Fuller via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is. i honestly don't even... - Original Message - *From:*Ryan Ghering via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know. It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand 4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week. I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: This is going to make for an ugly christmas season. If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont offer that speed currently but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we
Re: [AFMUG] simulating interference
I would just setup a pair of nano locos with dfs and lower band enabled, and have them frequency hop every 500ms. Even if they don't connect it doesn't matter (500ms is a very fast hop time), the AP will beacon and the client is going into active scanning mode, where it tries to associatewith an SSID (that may or may not be hidden). Should create sporadic interference throughout the band. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 03:49 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: Try some Non UBNT 5GHz products like canopy or cambium ...a 5GHz video transmitter will be noticed in the normal US 5.7/5.8GHz channels be most geardo you have an old Tsunami FD 5GHz radio lying around? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What is the easiest way to simulate noise in a lab environment. I would like to play with a couple Rocket AC Lites I have here and see what throughput looks like with some noise adjacent to their channel. Can I just turn up another AP on the necessary channel or does it need a client associated? If so, does their need to be traffic passing to the client? Does an AP get noisier when talking to more clients or with more throughput? -Ty
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM *To:* Josh Luthman via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point. *Von:*Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com I hope Cambium is listing on this point. Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point. They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. Tushar -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Yes no maybe. I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
I'd guess there's going to be... a least3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I don’t know what you are talking about. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM *To:* Josh Luthman via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point. *Von:*Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com I hope Cambium is listing on this point. Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point. They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. Tushar -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Yes no maybe. I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
Re: [AFMUG] simulating interference
Same thing happens with an AF5and unshielded radios :/ josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:17 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I remember something like that, but I have no idea. I know one thing though, just put a Canopy FSK AP next to whatever you want to test interference on. Doesn't even need an SM registered, just the beacon will be enough to cause trouble. Never, ever put an FSK radio next to an UBNT radio if you value your time and sanity. On 12/10/2014 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: The old Trango multipoint radios had a hidden CLI command to transmit constant RF, I can’t find it, something like “pn”. I’ll bet George remembers. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] simulating interference Lol ya ptp650 has ruin the spectrum mode to take things out. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 10, 2014 7:49 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Try some Non UBNT 5GHz products like canopy or cambium ...a 5GHz video transmitter will be noticed in the normal US 5.7/5.8GHz channels be most geardo you have an old Tsunami FD 5GHz radio lying around? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What is the easiest way to simulate noise in a lab environment. I would like to play with a couple Rocket AC Lites I have here and see what throughput looks like with some noise adjacent to their channel. Can I just turn up another AP on the necessary channel or does it need a client associated? If so, does their need to be traffic passing to the client? Does an AP get noisier when talking to more clients or with more throughput? -Ty
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp. Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other bands they could release equipment for. Maybe licensed? Hr... One can hope, right? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I'd guess there's going to be... a least3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I don’t know what you are talking about. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM *To:* Josh Luthman via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point. *Von:*Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com I hope Cambium is listing on this point. Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point. They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. Tushar -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Yes no maybe. I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now.
Netflix says 25Mbps sustained. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/09/2014 02:56 PM, Chris Wright via Af wrote: Sustained? I can imagine Netflix hitting those speeds right now, but only to fill the buffer. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ghering via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:42 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now. about that from my testing, but I have seen my Netfilx go as high as 28 meg On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What's the bandwidth requirement for 4k streaming? I've heard around 10 to 15 meg. Ryan Ghering via Af wrote: http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 tel:970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 tel:970-630-1879 -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879
Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: [Observium] Wireless Support (Aruba, Ruckus, Trapeze, Cisco, etc)
(sent to wispa/wireless) That's good news... to a certain extent. Observium is (fairly) excellent at monitoring wired infrastructure. It's interface also moves us out of the Dark Ages of Nagios and others, which is a plus. What Observium is not good at: it's not very flexible in monitoring it's not very flexible in alerting it doesn't support broken snmp mibs that work with cacti and a few others it can't control devices it can't upgrade devices it doesn't bring any new features to the table for any specific product line it is a very talkative and network inefficient protocol - a single device can easily cause 500 round-trips very 5 minutes, that doesn't scale well new device support and feature graphing has to be explicitly coded in josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/08/2014 05:04 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: It looks like Observium is expanding a bit. In what direction, I'm not certain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *ad...@observium.org *To: *Observium Network Observation System observ...@observium.org *Sent: *Monday, December 8, 2014 4:35:44 AM *Subject: *[Observium] Wireless Support (Aruba, Ruckus, Trapeze, Cisco, etc) Hi All, Could those of you who are interested in wireless support email me off-list? I've totally lost track of who has offered to financially sponsor development and/or provide access to test hardware. Please include the following information : Contact/Company/Subscriber information What type of support you'd be willing to provide What type of hardware you use What you use the hardware for (WISP, Enterprise, etc) Additionally if you already use some other platform with your wireless kit, perhaps some screenshots and description of how you use the platform would be useful, as would any suggestions on how a wifi infrastructure management interface might be structured. We're not wireless infrastructure experts, but you guys might be! :) Depending upon the level of interest when everyone is accounted for, we might consider building specific wireless support into Observium. Please reply to this mail but change the to field to ad...@observium.org. If you use a different subject, your mail might be lost forever :) Thanks, adam. ___ observium mailing list observ...@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
Re: [AFMUG] Now that's a lot of GPS Satellites
Not us. GLONASS works better up here :/ josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/08/2014 11:05 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: You have an interesting GPS system up north. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 13.2 (Build 40). How come I can only see 8 out of 1.8 million? Mark
Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup
LOL josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 07:50 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Liz Keyser Soze... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I have not seen her post any cat videos, but maybe she has aliases I don't know of. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, December 5, 2014 10:46:22 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup It's my go to frequency coordinator. There are others like Comsearch (Tim). http://www.intelpath.com/ As far as I know she doesn't do any cat videos. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What do you mean? I assume the vendor we paid to do the FCC process handled that based on what the FCC says, we had to do a different polarity because there is another 11ghz link in a similar path. What does this liz lady do, is she the one who puts up all the cat videos on the internet? Im always suspicious of women named liz. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Who is responsible for figuring out your frequencies? While a vendor can do it, I'd suggest calling Liz @ IntelPath. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:35 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I know the vendor sent me documentation on cabling/grounding, but I cant find it anywhere. We are using the SAF POE injector/splitter. Both components have surge suppression, but we also have an ALPU surge suppressor and a DC surge suppressor, Im not sure where in the mix these go, top/bottom etc. We did the expedited FCC approval, but dont have a PCN, does that come directly to us or to the vendor that did it and is relayed to us. I dont recall providing our FRN, so where will this license be applied? Is there a way to get it into our FRN portal (the one for managing the 3.65 stuff) or is that a separate type of license? On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 35 miles since we're in 'merica. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Hardy, Tim via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Also, make sure that FCC Applications have been filed before turning these on in the field (even for alignment or testing). The PCN does not provide authorization to transmit, but you can operate under Conditional Authority as long as the FCC Applications have been accepted for filing at the FCC, the applications did not request a waiver, you are not located in a quiet zone, and you are not located within 56.3 kilometers of an international border. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:07 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup Yes, you are going to want to have the PCN in hand for configuring to make sure you get frequencies on the right side, TX power, polarity and all that right... I would think
Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available
There is a very prominent come and takethem sticker on the back of my jeep, right next to a sergeant rank sticker. I don't think I'd like that guy. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af wrote: So now I was interested in who he is. I disagree about him being cool. Here’s a quote from him. Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve had an “open carry” law for years. It’s legal to carry a firearm (assuming you are of legal age and aren’t a felon). There are lots of other quotes from him as well but this shows his regard for the law IMO. My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s irresponsible to send a message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available We never hear anything about him here in Wisconsin. I actually had to look up who he is. I see that he had a 100% no confidence vote from the police union but was backed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett recently (being backed by Tom Barrett isn’t necessarily a good thing IMO). Oh…. He’s the one that was on his cell phone during a meeting. I didn’t realize that was in Milwaukee. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available Hes cool too, but Im talking about Edward Flynn On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m guessing you’re thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David Clarke. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:13 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available Milwaukee has a cool police chief On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Ethoplex, a Milwaukee-based fixed-wireless operator serving the enterprise, education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking candidates to fill the following positions: - Installation / Tower Technician - Network Engineer - Network Operations Manager Interested candidates can email resumes to j...@ethoplex.com mailto:j...@ethoplex.com. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014a1b71080f-59d9519f-185a-4eda-a739-cdeac9f7c87c-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2891652547domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2891652547domain=litewire.net amazonses.com http://amazonses.com from my allow list /You received this message because the domain amazonses.com http://amazonses.com is on your allow list./ -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014a1b815182-4ef89749-b229-4e7e-95d7-4be0f2f9eeed-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2891720285domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2891720285domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list /You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list./ *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014a1b88175c-51f9a97d-a893-43f5-9331-381c29db0341-000...@amazonses.com
Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available
If you're going to carry (and I do), carryconcealed as possible. Here in Alaska there is concealed carry without a license (which is *awesome*btw). You'd be amazed at how much nicer it makes people. That said,walking around with a visable piece is just asking for trouble. Itgives you quick access to the weapon, but removes the element of surprise. It alsocan make you a target if somebody wants your weapon to commit a crime. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 10:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: It is all how you “carry” a weapon. Holstered weapons should not be a reason for a takedown. Pulling it out and pointing it around is a different thing. Deer rifle slung across your back during hunting season is one thing. Deer rifle being use as a spotting scope around people is a different thing... And so on. 50 shades of gray. No bright lines in my opinion. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 12:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available There is a very prominent come and takethem sticker on the back of my jeep, right next to a sergeant rank sticker. I don't think I'd like that guy. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af wrote: So now I was interested in who he is. I disagree about him being cool. Here’s a quote from him. Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve had an “open carry” law for years. It’s legal to carry a firearm (assuming you are of legal age and aren’t a felon). There are lots of other quotes from him as well but this shows his regard for the law IMO. My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s irresponsible to send a message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available We never hear anything about him here in Wisconsin. I actually had to look up who he is. I see that he had a 100% no confidence vote from the police union but was backed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett recently (being backed by Tom Barrett isn’t necessarily a good thing IMO). Oh…. He’s the one that was on his cell phone during a meeting. I didn’t realize that was in Milwaukee. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available Hes cool too, but Im talking about Edward Flynn On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m guessing you’re thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David Clarke. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:13 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available Milwaukee has a cool police chief On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Ethoplex, a Milwaukee-based fixed-wireless operator serving the enterprise, education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking candidates to fill the following positions: - Installation / Tower Technician - Network Engineer - Network Operations Manager Interested candidates can email resumes to j...@ethoplex.com mailto:j...@ethoplex.com. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014a1b71080f-59d9519f-185a-4eda-a739-cdeac9f7c87c-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2891652547domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2891652547domain=litewire.net amazonses.com http://amazonses.com from my allow list /You received this message because the domain amazonses.com http://amazonses.com is on your allow list./ -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do
Re: [AFMUG] The Dream of a Unified SM
They should hire Clippy. He's always very helpful. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 11:21 AM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: They obviously need a new spreadsheet author. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I think you hit the nail on the head. Everything we've seen about cambium says that they're purely driven by a spreadsheet. Just think how many more 450 SM's they could sell if the AP price were $500 instead of $2000. Even if the SM price went up slightly (Hey Cambium, I said SLIGHTLY!) In reality, why isn't it buy 25 SM's get a free AP? Oh yea, the spreadsheet has a column for that $2000/ap and it would disappear if that happened, nevermind that another column would significantly go up. On 12/5/2014 8:08 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: I forgot to include the connectorized SM options - we carry those around as well. Cambium decided about 8 months ago to get rid of the distributor/VAR model and make all the VAR’s distributors. I suspect the idea was that Cambium would keep the profit margin they pulled from the distributors, and to force the VAR’s to carry a lot of inventory to temporarily push up sales numbers. Combine the 3 familles (FSK, 430, 450) x the 7 potential frequency bands (900, 2.4, 3.5, 3.65, 5.2, 5.4, 5.7) x integrated/connectorized x 4 speed tiers = 168 items to stock (and I didn’t take into account DES/AES in the earlier product lines). Get rid of speed keys and that number is 42. Cambium wonders why there are product shortages and difficulties with distribution. The next brilliant idea was to make it much easier to purchase/manage speed keys. This is going to be really interesting since Cambium’s reason for keeping the (useless) 4Mb SM is that they sell a lot of $200 4Mb 450 product overseas, and they don’t want to give up the profit margin. There are a couple of things wrong with this: Cambium can obviously make money on a 450 CPE at less then $200. You wouldn’t justify keeping a money losing product. North America is subsidizing the bottom line - nobody in the US is buying 4Mb CPE in any quantity. As Ken pointed out a while ago - if Cambium is smart they are not going to make the key process less painful. If I can stock only one part number (4Mb, $200CPE), and easily move/buy keys I’m going to quit buying 20Mb CPE and purchase keys only when I need them. That will save me a lot of money. Make a $200 CPE without speed keys and the money you save on managing 42 part numbers versus 168 and the much greater market share for 450 will more than make up for any loss of margin. Unfortunately Cambium can’t figure that out. Every now and then I get a wild hare up my ass and think going back to school for a MBA would be a good idea, and then I look at shit like this. Mark On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium wants to make it more difficult than Motorola when it comes to part numbers, too. I'm told the new ptp850 had 700 part numbers to inventory. That's just flat out stupid. EPMP has some insanely stupid part number problems as well. Oh well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 5, 2014 8:14 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: +1000 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/ @aeronetpr On 12/5/14, 8:39 AM, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: It is getting difficult to carry lot of radios on each truck. Regarding keys, I agree with you 100%. But cambium is not listing. May be we should invite one of the person who came up with idea to spend 1 month and let them see how cumbersome it gets managing this stupid keys. Tushar On Dec 4, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: That¹s one of the reasons we settled on 450. Having to carry 900FSK, 2.4FSK, 5.7FSK, 5.2FSK, 5.4FSK, 5.7 430, 2.4 450, 3.65 450, 5.7 450, 2.4 ePMP, 5.7ePMP, 3.65 Wimax, NanoBridges, NanaStations, Rockets, UbiquWhatevers was getting really truly ugly. And then Cambium wants us to keep track of speed keys on radios. That¹s still completely dumb, but they are stuck on it. Mark
[AFMUG] ePMP working for freq reuse?
Anybody have ePMP setup and working in the field for freq reuse? Can you share some info about it? Speeds, number of subs per AP, etc. Thanks -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP working for freq reuse?
Can you explain what their instructions are, or point me in the right direction? How many subs do you have connected to this 2.4 cluster? Channel widths? Thanks. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 12:41 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: yes only 3 APs so we are doing ABA but my point with the ABAB guide is that if you follow their instructions it works great, if you deviate...then you can have issues. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You mean four APs? That would be ABAB. Three APs would be ABA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: i have a tower with 3 2.4Ghz APs using 2 channels. works great as long as you follow the freq reuse and ABAB deployment guides on the cambium epmp website. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody have ePMP setup and working in the field for freq reuse? Can you share some info about it? Speeds, number of subs per AP, etc. Thanks -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP working for freq reuse?
I was going to do that until I saw I had to register Now I am no longer interested. FFS Cambium :/ josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 12:58 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ scroll down and grab these two documents..they explain everything in detail ePMP ABAB frequency reuse deployment ePMP Configuration in a Frequency Reuse Deployment we are using 20Mhz channels. currently have about 10 subs per AP (adding more each day) after about 3-5 subs per AP we started to notice some problems and reconfigured the APs per these guides and now everything is working as expected. one of the main things was changing the Subscriber Module Target Receive Level to -50. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Can you explain what their instructions are, or point me in the right direction? How many subs do you have connected to this 2.4 cluster? Channel widths? Thanks. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 12:41 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: yes only 3 APs so we are doing ABA but my point with the ABAB guide is that if you follow their instructions it works great, if you deviate...then you can have issues. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You mean four APs? That would be ABAB. Three APs would be ABA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: i have a tower with 3 2.4Ghz APs using 2 channels. works great as long as you follow the freq reuse and ABAB deployment guides on the cambium epmp website. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody have ePMP setup and working in the field for freq reuse? Can you share some info about it? Speeds, number of subs per AP, etc. Thanks -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP working for freq reuse?
You don't? :) josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 01:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: You must have a lot of noise in 2.4! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ scroll down and grab these two documents..they explain everything in detail ePMP ABAB frequency reuse deployment ePMP Configuration in a Frequency Reuse Deployment we are using 20Mhz channels. currently have about 10 subs per AP (adding more each day) after about 3-5 subs per AP we started to notice some problems and reconfigured the APs per these guides and now everything is working as expected. one of the main things was changing the Subscriber Module Target Receive Level to -50. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Can you explain what their instructions are, or point me in the right direction? How many subs do you have connected to this 2.4 cluster? Channel widths? Thanks. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 12:41 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: yes only 3 APs so we are doing ABA but my point with the ABAB guide is that if you follow their instructions it works great, if you deviate...then you can have issues. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You mean four APs? That would be ABAB. Three APs would be ABA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: i have a tower with 3 2.4Ghz APs using 2 channels. works great as long as you follow the freq reuse and ABAB deployment guides on the cambium epmp website. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody have ePMP setup and working in the field for freq reuse? Can you share some info about it? Speeds, number of subs per AP, etc. Thanks -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] ARGH! FCC AP (4900 MHz) java application
Semi-Off Topic Who are you getting the license for? Yourself, or are you doing coordination for another entity? If it's for yourself, who granted you the sub-license for use? What channel width? What range and gear are you using? Thanks josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 01:07 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Attempting to submit a license in 4900 MHz (public safety). The ULS site dumps you into a java application that doesn't seem to want to run. I've tried both chrome (latest), as well as IE (version 11). The java app starts with a blank screen, and several buttons. You can click on any button. Once. After that nothing happens. Anyone else gone through this? What trick am I missing?
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP working for freq reuse?
LOL :D josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 01:58 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: so register as Robert Pera like the rest of us ;-) On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I was going to do that until I saw I had to register Now I am no longer interested. FFS Cambium :/ josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 12:58 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ scroll down and grab these two documents..they explain everything in detail ePMP ABAB frequency reuse deployment ePMP Configuration in a Frequency Reuse Deployment we are using 20Mhz channels. currently have about 10 subs per AP (adding more each day) after about 3-5 subs per AP we started to notice some problems and reconfigured the APs per these guides and now everything is working as expected. one of the main things was changing the Subscriber Module Target Receive Level to -50. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Can you explain what their instructions are, or point me in the right direction? How many subs do you have connected to this 2.4 cluster? Channel widths? Thanks. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 12:41 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: yes only 3 APs so we are doing ABA but my point with the ABAB guide is that if you follow their instructions it works great, if you deviate...then you can have issues. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You mean four APs? That would be ABAB. Three APs would be ABA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: i have a tower with 3 2.4Ghz APs using 2 channels. works great as long as you follow the freq reuse and ABAB deployment guides on the cambium epmp website. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody have ePMP setup and working in the field for freq reuse? Can you share some info about it? Speeds, number of subs per AP, etc. Thanks -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP working for freq reuse?
I don't have any to deploy, I'm just interested in how their design works and their design guidelines. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 01:53 PM, Josh Baird via Af wrote: Then you must not care if they are deployed correctly. If you really need the documents, just register! I promise, it won't kill you. On Dec 5, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I was going to do that until I saw I had to register Now I am no longer interested. FFS Cambium :/ josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 12:58 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/ scroll down and grab these two documents..they explain everything in detail ePMP ABAB frequency reuse deployment ePMP Configuration in a Frequency Reuse Deployment we are using 20Mhz channels. currently have about 10 subs per AP (adding more each day) after about 3-5 subs per AP we started to notice some problems and reconfigured the APs per these guides and now everything is working as expected. one of the main things was changing the Subscriber Module Target Receive Level to -50. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Can you explain what their instructions are, or point me in the right direction? How many subs do you have connected to this 2.4 cluster? Channel widths? Thanks. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/05/2014 12:41 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: yes only 3 APs so we are doing ABA but my point with the ABAB guide is that if you follow their instructions it works great, if you deviate...then you can have issues. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You mean four APs? That would be ABAB. Three APs would be ABA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: i have a tower with 3 2.4Ghz APs using 2 channels. works great as long as you follow the freq reuse and ABAB deployment guides on the cambium epmp website. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody have ePMP setup and working in the field for freq reuse? Can you share some info about it? Speeds, number of subs per AP, etc. Thanks -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] ESPN3
From wikipedia: ESPN3 is only available to Internet providers who pay fees to ESPN. ESPN3 is not carried by traditional cable and satellite providers, as it is not a single channel, but streams multiple live events at the same time; however, ESPN includes a listing for a linear ESPN3 channel (which only includes one event at a time) in the television listings on its website. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/03/2014 07:00 PM, Brett A Mansfield via Af wrote: I've seen a lot of ISPs and WISPs offering ESPN3 for free now. Nobody can seem to or is willing to tell me how they get that set up. I'd really like to offer that to my customers. Anyone able and willing to tell me how to do that? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] ESPN3
GCI is an affiliate in our area. We're going to contact them to see if we can partner I think. http://espn.go.com/espn3/affList josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/03/2014 07:05 PM, Brett A Mansfield via Af wrote: Thanks Josh. I've actually seen that, but I haven't found anything on how to set it up with ESPN. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: From wikipedia: ESPN3 is only available to Internet providers who pay fees to ESPN. ESPN3 is not carried by traditional cable and satellite providers, as it is not a single channel, but streams multiple live events at the same time; however, ESPN includes a listing for a linear ESPN3 channel (which only includes one event at a time) in the television listings on its website. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com On 12/03/2014 07:00 PM, Brett A Mansfield via Af wrote: I've seen a lot of ISPs and WISPs offering ESPN3 for free now. Nobody can seem to or is willing to tell me how they get that set up. I'd really like to offer that to my customers. Anyone able and willing to tell me how to do that? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking
hahaha josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/02/2014 08:53 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: My wife is watching that new show Gotham and now I’m scared of Radio Shack and Geek Squad employees because they remind me of that Penguin character. *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking If they want free I point them to security essentials, all the free products are worthless, security essentials is the lightest, so malwayre has less probability of taking advantage of taxed processor/cpu ala anything norton. malwarebytes seems to be the best at catching things if they want paid AV its always kasperky though it causes notable slowness on the interwebs, since it actually scans stuff Geek squad is actually a great solution, send them there, then you dont have to worry about it since their computer no longer works, better than telling them to unplug the power cord On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I haven't decided to integrate my idea with SPAM prevention, but I've been thinking about it. ;-) I'll get the other stuff working first. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:24:59 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking I've had a similar discussion with customers who manually block the email address of everyone who sends them spam. So they have a blacklist of thousands of random fictitious email addresses that sound like the real names of Batman villains. They feel good blocking the spammers, so I've given up trying to talk them out of it. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:36 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking I can't force the abuse contact to do anything. If you don't try something, you're just as complicit. Fail2Ban with custom rules and actions is what I'm working on. Just because it is a dynamic pool doesn't mean people don't perpetually have the same IP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:27:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking Just when you put all that effort into it, and talk about throwing violators into a BGP blackhole, and forcing abuse contacts to take action, it seemed inconsistent with the reality. Plus the fact that a lot of those will be dynamic pool addresses. If you’re talking about something like Fail2ban and blocking SSH for 60 minutes, that makes sense. SSH and RDP dictionary attacks are a big problem, as are DNS amplification attacks. But rarely does the source IP actually identify who is behind the attack, just one of millions of bots. It seems a futile exercise to block them one IP address at a time. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking Yes and I stated so in that e-mail. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:46:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking You do understand most of those IPs will be infected computers with a bot doing the scanning, not a bad guy sitting at his own computer, right? As far as customers, we tell them they need to at a minimum have Microsoft Security Essentials or the free version of a commercial AV. If they ask for a recommendation of a commercial AV product, we tell them we use ESET. Nothing will protect someone who engages in risky online activity or clicks before thinking. Those people need a good local computer shop (not Geek Squad) to rescue their computer and data and to install security software. And amazingly, I still need to tell people that securing their WiFi is not optional, and 1234 is not an acceptable email password. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:39 AM To: af@afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Showdown coming on Ethernet standard to serve faster Wi-Fi | PCWorld
You're telling me... josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/02/2014 08:31 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: It would be nice to have access to that amount of cheap bandwidth. I'd be paying crazy amounts for it around here. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: That’s pretty cool. I’m ready to deliver 10Gbps SFP+ to the side of customer’s houses. But since it tranceives to copper, I was going to be limited. This would help, esp if a cheap transceiver is made between SFP+ and the new copper standard. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:08 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Showdown coming on Ethernet standard to serve faster Wi-Fi | PCWorld http://www.pcworld.com/article/2854692/showdown-coming-on-ethernet-standard-to-serve-faster-wifi.html Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ?
This info may be a bit outdated with MSTP, I haven't looked, but it used to be that the size of your tree should beno larger than 7 nodes. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 01:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Do you really need something faster than one of the spanning tree variants? The topology at Montana Internet is to have a layer 3 switch at each site and a big flat rapid spanning tree ring for all of the OSPF speaking layer 3 switches (Aka routers) to talk on. If I yank a ring cable, I lose about a second on two is all. -forrest On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Looking to add Ethernet ring protection switching into our network. I've attached a PDF demonstrating the topology of the test tower set. I'm leaning toward a G.8032v2 implementation simply because it's ITU standards based and not vendor specific. Other options include Brocade MRP, Moxa Turbo Chain, etc. Any shared wisdom would be greatly appreciate before we get ourselves pot committed. Scott
Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ?
I've never seen a protocol that handled flapping well :/ I really wish somebody would design a routing protocol with extensions fordetermining bandwidth tho (sound familiar? :/ ) josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 07:03 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: The biggest issue we have with MSTP is the inability to deal with unstable links. A high capacity backhaul flapping is disastrous with MSTP due to the constant bridge table flushing. G.8032 should be able to deal with this type of failure more gracefully. I think MPLS also has ways of dealing with it but I have not investigated that route as much of our existing equipment does not support MPLS. We have to deploy new equipment at the tower sites so MPLS would be an option, but so far we are thinking MEF over MPLS solutions. Mark On Dec 1, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: This info may be a bit outdated with MSTP, I haven't looked, but it used to be that the size of your tree should beno larger than 7 nodes. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 01:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Do you really need something faster than one of the spanning tree variants? The topology at Montana Internet is to have a layer 3 switch at each site and a big flat rapid spanning tree ring for all of the OSPF speaking layer 3 switches (Aka routers) to talk on. If I yank a ring cable, I lose about a second on two is all. -forrest On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Looking to add Ethernet ring protection switching into our network. I've attached a PDF demonstrating the topology of the test tower set. I'm leaning toward a G.8032v2 implementation simply because it's ITU standards based and not vendor specific. Other options include Brocade MRP, Moxa Turbo Chain, etc. Any shared wisdom would be greatly appreciate before we get ourselves pot committed. Scott
Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ?
They decided to stay with Juniper and MPLS-TE I believe. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 07:23 AM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af wrote: Josh- Did your upstream engineer find an alternative solution or pursue a new protocol? Scott *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 00:08 *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ? Scott, I had been talking to our upstream's primary network engineer a few weeks back. They tested G8032v2 stuff from several vendors, and ended up pulling it completely after a full year of testing. Ring topology is a pretty dead design when mesh type options are available with OSPF/IS-IS/MPLS. Some of the things about 8032v2 are nice, but they will also be found in SPB. What we need is for Accedian to sell the continuous-throughput-testing patent they have to another vendor. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/30/2014 09:17 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af wrote: Seems like the new AFMUG list scraped my PDF attachment off that last email, here's a dropbox link:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6582330/WebJunk/ERPS_Towers.pdf Scott -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 22:11 To: 'AF Cambium List (af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com)' Subject: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ? Looking to add Ethernet ring protection switching into our network. I've attached a PDF demonstrating the topology of the test tower set. I'm leaning toward a G.8032v2 implementation simply because it's ITU standards based and not vendor specific. Other options include Brocade MRP, Moxa Turbo Chain, etc. Any shared wisdom would be greatly appreciate before we get ourselves pot committed. Scott
Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ?
I think another problem is that most WISP gear lacks the proper *tools* to troubleshoot and diagnose problems at layer2. That's been one of my beefs for awhile with layer2 designs, as the tools to monitor and test them aren't prevalent in networks that aren't 'metro. A long time ago I proposed to Accedian's upper management that they come out with a version of rflo but based on SPB. I wish someone would pick up that torch. Sure, you'll have vendor lock in (which I am not a fan of), but if the ITU/IEEE/ITF/whoever isn't going to design a standard protocol to work with our types of networks... well, we have to do what we have to dotoacquire and maintain acompetitive advantage. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 08:01 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: It�s a tough one. MEF/ITU/IEEE Ethernet standards do have a lot of the mechanisms from SONET that allows you to specify reversion time on circuits to limit damage from flapping. Performant was the only one who seems to have tried to do anything with automated bandwidth detection and making forwarding decisions. Unfortunately it�s such a niche market that I doubt there was an economic case for it. Everyone else just throws fiber and bandwidth at the problem. WISP�s have a somewhat unique problem in that it�s very easy for us to make mesh type backhaul networks yet difficult to logically segment the network at the Ethernet level. G8032.v2 attempts to solve the issue but I don�t think there is a great deal of demand from the bigger carriers for the mesh design given that bigger carriers can just throw another fiber or wavelength at the problem to segregate the network. Mark On Dec 1, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I've never seen a protocol that handled flapping well :/ I really wish somebody would design a routing protocol with extensions fordetermining bandwidth tho (sound familiar? :/ ) josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 07:03 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: The biggest issue we have with MSTP is the inability to deal with unstable links. �A high capacity backhaul flapping is disastrous with MSTP due to the constant bridge table flushing. �G.8032 should be able to deal with this type of failure more gracefully. �I think MPLS also has ways of dealing with it but I have not investigated that route as much of our existing equipment does not support MPLS. � We have to deploy new equipment at the tower sites so MPLS would be an option, but so far we are thinking MEF over MPLS solutions. Mark On Dec 1, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: This info may be a bit outdated with MSTP, I haven't looked, but it used to be that the size of your tree should beno larger than 7 nodes. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 01:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Do you really need something faster than one of the spanning tree variants? The topology at Montana Internet is to have a layer 3 switch at each site and a big flat rapid spanning tree ring for all of the OSPF speaking layer 3 switches (Aka routers) to talk on. � If I yank a ring cable, I lose about a second on two is all. -forrest On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Looking to add Ethernet ring protection switching into our network.� I've attached a PDF demonstrating the topology of the test tower set.� I'm leaning toward a G.8032v2 implementation simply because it's ITU standards based and not vendor specific.� Other options include Brocade MRP, Moxa Turbo Chain, etc.� Any shared wisdom would be greatly appreciate before we get ourselves pot committed. Scott
Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ?
Agreed. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 08:44 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: A mix of SPB with Bandwidth Detection would be the bomb! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ? It�s a tough one. MEF/ITU/IEEE Ethernet standards do have a lot of the mechanisms from SONET that allows you to specify reversion time on circuits to limit damage from flapping. Performant was the only one who seems to have tried to do anything with automated bandwidth detection and making forwarding decisions. Unfortunately it�s such a niche market that I doubt there was an economic case for it. Everyone else just throws fiber and bandwidth at the problem. WISP�s have a somewhat unique problem in that it�s very easy for us to make mesh type backhaul networks yet difficult to logically segment the network at the Ethernet level. G8032.v2 attempts to solve the issue but I don�t think there is a great deal of demand from the bigger carriers for the mesh design given that bigger carriers can just throw another fiber or wavelength at the problem to segregate the network. Mark On Dec 1, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I've never seen a protocol that handled flapping well :/ I really wish somebody would design a routing protocol with extensions fordetermining bandwidth tho (sound familiar? :/ ) josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 07:03 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: The biggest issue we have with MSTP is the inability to deal with unstable links. �1�2A high capacity backhaul flapping is disastrous with MSTP due to the constant bridge table flushing. �1�2G.8032 should be able to deal with this type of failure more gracefully. �1�2I think MPLS also has ways of dealing with it but I have not investigated that route as much of our existing equipment does not support MPLS. �1�2 We have to deploy new equipment at the tower sites so MPLS would be an option, but so far we are thinking MEF over MPLS solutions. Mark On Dec 1, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: This info may be a bit outdated with MSTP, I haven't looked, but it used to be that the size of your tree should beno larger than 7 nodes. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 01:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Do you really need something faster than one of the spanning tree variants? The topology at Montana Internet is to have a layer 3 switch at each site and a big flat rapid spanning tree ring for all of the OSPF speaking layer 3 switches (Aka routers) to talk on. �1�2 If I yank a ring cable, I lose about a second on two is all. -forrest On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Looking to add Ethernet ring protection switching into our network.�1�2 I've attached a PDF demonstrating the topology of the test tower set.�1�2 I'm leaning toward a G.8032v2 implementation simply because it's ITU standards based and not vendor specific.�1�2 Other options include Brocade MRP, Moxa Turbo Chain, etc.�1�2 Any shared wisdom would be greatly appreciate before we get ourselves pot committed. Scott
Re: [AFMUG] Router alternatives
pFsense on custom hardware and support from Electric Sheep Fencing (who is actually ran by the developers) might work for you josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 09:15 AM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af wrote: Does anyone know of any decent medium-cost routing solutions out there that handle PPPoE, BGP etc that do not involve Mikrotik, Cisco, Juniper or Imagestream? Before I start needle-searching through the haystack, I was curious to know what you guys have had experience with that works or worked well. We�re not necessarily going to replace the equipment we have but I am investigating what is out there for the time being. Timothy McNabb Network Administrator Velociter Wireless, Inc (209)838-1221 x107
Re: [AFMUG] OT - amazed what local Microcenter store has on shelf
www.slickdeals.net has the 840evo's on sale, 256 for $80 and 512 for like $200 Today only. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 01:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I needed a replacement HDD for a server and was surprised to find my local Microcenter store had Western Digital RE series drives and Samsung 850 PRO series SSDs in stock. Not online or deliver to store, actually on the shelf in the store. I was impressed, those are enterprise level drives, not what you'll find at Best Buy or Frys.
Re: [AFMUG] support call logging
We're about to outsource our level 1 support, 24/7. They will be able to have read-only into aircontrol for seeing if the client radio is up, as well as troubleshooting basic router issues. Everything else gets elevated to us during normal business hours. Commercial calls will get sent to our PBX and a ring group. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 08:13 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried this, or has it working, before I waste my time. I'm talking about automatically opening a ticket for all inbound calls. Say something like osTicket and a SIP client registered to the PBX listening for incoming calls.
Re: [AFMUG] IP Management
Don't you have some Cambium stuff? :) josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 11/29/2014 04:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Do you know how much 6Connect is? It doesn't have to be free, but anything that's enterprise or carrier is going to be priced above my willingness to pay. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:06:47 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IP Management 6Connect is good. Men Mice is also good (but doesn't SWIP or do ARIN). Solarwinds also has an IPAM offering. There really isn't a good -free- solution that I know of (especially one that hasn't turned to vaporware). Many people will suggest IPPlan, but I hated it (although it can be easily customized and/or modified if you have any PHP clue). Josh On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address_management What are you guys doing for IP management? Ideally, the system I used would be free, support ARIN's RESTful API, IPv4 and IPv6, building of DNS zones. The only one I've seen that does the ARIN stuff doesn't meet the free qualification. There's no price listed anywhere, only scheduling a demo. (6Connect) Trying to forge ahead with IPPlan, but there's been no updates in 4.5 years and the documentation available doesn't seem to be for the beta version that supports IPv6. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz
Saw a funny picture yesterday on the topic of picking up girls... It was a picture of some chick with a sentence at the bottom of the picture that saidIf you're talking to a woman and her voice raises in pitch as she is talking to you, it means she likes you! Someone had a comment below the picture that said WOW This explains so much. Every woman I talk to sounds like the fucking Batman. On 11/24/2014 09:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Isn’t “your loss” what guys with bad pickup lines say when rebuffed by the girl at the bar? *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 12:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz I figured the subject was enough of a description, if not accurate. Your loss? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 24, 2014 12:32:21 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz At least when you rickroll someone, you provide a plausible reason why someone should follow the link. Wanting someone to log in with their credentials and then join a group, without a couple lines of what’s behind Door #1 - give me a break. Is this the modern equivalent of “open your mouth and close your eyes and you will get a big surprise”? Or “here take this pill, all the cool kids are doing it”? Even without the login requirement, I don’t follow obfuscated links without some explanation where the link will take me. If you’re going to post a link to the list, take a few seconds and describe what lies on the other side and why someone would want to click on the link, otherwise some will, but a lot will just delete and move on. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 12:21 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz It isn't Mike's content... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Let's avoid the practice of becoming dependent upon facebook for professional purposes... I'm not going to join a group. My facebook account is just about as privacy restricted as it's possible to be, and only exists for the purpose of communicating with technology-clueless family members who think Facebook = Front Page of the Internet. If we have the knowledge and technical capability to host our own photos on domain names and httpd fully under our control, why not do that? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Need to be logged in and wait for an admin to admit you to the group. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Link broke? Just takes me to a Facebook login screen. On 11/24/2014 11:05 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: http://on.fb.me/11Pp5lV - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing
Ours are normally the opposite. We have more climbs for shorted/water in cables than we do for dead radios. We might have 1-2 dead APs a year. On 11/24/2014 11:11 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: If it's Ubnt it's probably a dead radio. Probably 1/10 chance the cable shorted. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yep, could either be a dead AP or a shorted cable... I don't think there's any way to tell from the ground. It is a lot harder to make that decision when someone else is doing the climbing... I wouldn't ask anyone to go up in weather I wouldn't climb in myself, but then again, I've also climbed in weather I wouldn't tell someone else to go up in. I don't think there really is a good rule of thumb, a lot depends on what the climber is comfortable with, and experience. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 12:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing The radio is pulling too much current. Probably it is an overload/short. It will fade out and then come on full brightness. This was the green LED and may not exist with the LED anymore, especially since it's a different type of LED. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve never seen a flashing UBNT power supply, what does that mean? Overload/short? *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 10:55 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing its only 100 feet, but its a shitty tower to climb, all angled, one of those tripod ones that suck when theyre wet. Ive slipped on this tower new as in this would be his first unattended climb since training im assuming its just a bad radio (flashing ubnt power supply, but could be a failed cable) on an omni On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I would worry more about gusts than steady wind, especially for rope work or complex positioning. Might need additional ground crew and taglines, maybe a second climber. When you say new climber, how new? What kind of training/certification? Ultimately you are depending on the climber to call it off if it’s not safe, and a newbie might not have the experience to know when it’s not safe. If you’re talking about today, at least it’s been way above freezing the past 2 days, so the likelihood of rain freezing to the tower should be minimized. Also, how high are you sending him? Big difference between 100 and 300 feet. *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 10:36 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing fun wintery rain sleet snow mix, new climber 38mph wind gusts, ap outage On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Brian Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Depends what i'm climbing for. Repair or upgrade? Is there rain/sleet/snow mixed with the wind? On 11/24/2014 10:31 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: whats everybodys rule of thumb for cutting off climbing -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
That's fine. We'll go back to running the same wisp that is taking both the cable co and clec's in-town customers and has been for the past 10 years... without sync. On 11/21/2014 06:39 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Those are very compelling, but not enough bits without bigger channels, which then need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 7:19:14 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium Or you can swap it out with -AC and get 65Mbps on a 10MHz channel, realtime airview, and much better selectivity :P On 11/21/2014 03:10 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: you can swap it all out with epmp On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: It may work, but it will tank your throughput. On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: Has anyone successfully implemented? � Jerry -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
It may work, but it will tank your throughput. On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: Has anyone successfully implemented? Jerry -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
Or you can swap it out with -AC and get 65Mbps on a 10MHz channel, realtime airview, and much better selectivity :P On 11/21/2014 03:10 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: you can swap it all out with epmp On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: It may work, but it will tank your throughput. On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: Has anyone successfully implemented? � Jerry -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] ubnt test2.cgi stress test?
#!/sbin/cgi
?
include(lib/settings.inc);
if ($action!=test) {
if ($feature_poe_passthrough == 1) {
if (!isset($poe_test)) {
$poe_test=on;
}
}
if (!isset($stress_test)) {
$stress_test=on;
}
}
if (!isset($poe_cnt)) {
$poe_cnt=10;
}
if (!isset($stress_dur)) {
$stress_dur=5;
}
POE related. There is no temp sensor in UBNT gear.
On 11/18/2014 08:00 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
anybody know what this does?
I have an AP that has 6 clients, 5hz channels, decent links for all,
the AP is reachable fine, but the clients are all having throughput
problems and most of the time are inaccessible
Im wondering if the AP hasnt gotten too cold so Ive been trying to
force it to heat up, running the builtin speedtest to the colocated AP
browsing the /usr/www folder there is the test.cgi and the test2.cgi,
test2 lets you initiate a stress test, I dont know what that does, but
top shows the processor in heavy use. I assume this would generate heat.
Does ubnt have any temp sensor?
what does this stress test actually do?
I do not want to climb up and replace this AP today, I left my heavy
pants at home
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Off I go
LOL just saw the pic. Nice :) On 11/14/2014 01:36 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: We were roughing out there Jaime Solorza On Nov 14, 2014 2:24 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: My office this morning. On 11/14/2014 12:09 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: My office this morning Jaime Solorza On Nov 14, 2014 1:28 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We came We saw We kicked ass!! Coverage even in valleys shadowed by two hillsVHF headed home Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390 meow Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve seen worse (or better, depending on your point of view). Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:59 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Off I go Here kitty kitty Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqZ2sEOe5K0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKnclFxWLWg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:03:32 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Off I go We have WiFi out here via DSL ...no cell service...I will set up booster tomorrow...we worked all afternoon setting up solar panels and battery enclosure Wait till you guys see the pictures of the game room,,,here is one coming down from mesa Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I will share pics as I take them when I have service. ..approaching Van Horn.. Jaime Solorza On Nov 12, 2014 10:46 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Sounds like a fun trip. *From:*Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:23 AM *To:*Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Off I go reference 11-12-Web-Marfa Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Good morning boys and gals: I am off to the mountains near Marfa and Big Bend country again. I will have cell coverage into Marfa and then nada. I am taking my Shireen cell amp to test from where we install the solar system and two way repeater. Looks tough but might be able to skip or bounce.. Cya Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390 -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review - not positive - some spoiler info
Happy Birthday! On 11/14/2014 06:31 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: Any ways thx. My birthday in a few hours. Playing at Bistros tonight. My skynard look Jaime Solorza On Nov 14, 2014 7:44 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Sorry for spoiling it but I wish now that I had waited for it to be on satellite TV. The story itself is OK. I just cannot turn off my tech OCD spotting of familiar stuff. And the energy management/Newtonian physics have to be within the realm of possibility. Military robots are not metal boxes stuffed with green circuit boards that are connected with ribbon cable and just loosely floating around inside. If they had use the CGI people that made Gravity it would have been much better. Gravity had great effects but a silly implausible story. At least this story works if the technology was there. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 7:38 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review - not positive - some spoiler info Damn. Thanks for saving me a couple hours, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 14, 2014 9:29 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Interstellar meh Cheap ass sets. Old HP test gear (circa 1975) in the wall of a space station, also primary flight instruments from an airplane. Wrinkles on the outside of the spacecraft and the ablative fabric. Cheap weightless effects. Robots with CLI screens scrolling text. Robots that interface with spacecraft that was built 100 years apart. Setting green corn fields ablaze. Having lots of new tires and gasoline in a dire survival of mankind situation. Farmer just happening to have a laptop, RF gear, antenna etc to take control of a random drone that appears in the sky. Then he guts the drone for a controller for his tractor... Landing only type craft having enough fuel to take off again and get back to a space station. Two astronauts walk a mile or so but it takes a spacecraft several minutes to get there. Something the size of a Saturn V taking off inside a missile silo with lots of people in it. Ceramic tile on the hibernation tanks on a space station and space craft. All of the spacecraft bobs and weaves like it is in turbulence or a rough sea. The relative motion between spacecraft is ridiculous. Flags surviving the wind for 20 years. Other than that it was great. My wife loved it. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up
USA: WWI WWII Back-To-Back Champs On 11/13/2014 03:56 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: WWII came out better than most people expected. bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService On 11/13/2014 4:29 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What hasn't the government fucked up? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:10:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up considering that mark cuban's hero is Ayn Rand: https://www.google.ca/search?q=mark+cuban+ayn+randie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-achannel=sbgfe_rd=crei=NUhlVKGZJKibkgLHhoGgDA Juvenile philosophy. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/13/markcuban-on-net-neutrality-the-governme - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2' dish
rf elements is making a smaller one, 22dBi I think w/ twistport, that will work with epmp On 11/12/2014 12:59 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: So I guess this doesn't exist. Or nobody cares. On 11/12/2014 10:15 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Is there a 2' dish that has an integrated radio mount like the Rocket dish for ePMP radios? And that possibly uses the same radome that fits on Laird/UBNT style parabolics? I thought I remember seeing this somewhere but I'm having no luck finding it. Maybe I'm imagining the Force100 dish or something? I guess I can always use a Pac/Laird HD dish, but integrated radio mount would be nice. -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] FCC article on Fox News
This On 11/12/2014 02:43 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Yep, I agree with some of the net neutrality arguments, but am wholly against common carrier unless subsidies come along with it. *From:* Bill Prince via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:40 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC article on Fox News Of course, net neutrality and the common carrier question are two completely unrelated issues. You can agree with one without agreeing to the other (regardless of which side you're on). bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService On 11/12/2014 3:21 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I’m planning on sending Tom a sympathy card. He is caught between his boss, Democratic donors, and his past and future clients. FCC HEAD MAY BREAK WITH OBAMA ON NET NEUTRALITY While many liberal Democrats are falling in line behind President Obama’s call for the Federal Communications Commission to reclassify the Internet to be regulated like a public utility, the commission’s head is signaling he may not be on board with the president’s more hardline approach to net neutrality. WaPo: “[A]gency Chairman Tom Wheeler said he preferred a more nuanced solution. His approach would deliver some of what Obama wants but also would address the concerns of the companies that provide Internet access to millions of Americans, such as Comcast, Time Warner Cable and ATT. ‘What you want is what everyone wants: an open Internet that doesn’t affect your business,’ a visibly frustrated Wheeler said at [a Monday] meeting, according to four people who attended. ‘What I’ve got to figure out is how to split the baby.”’ Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Viva Kari Byron
heh Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/11/2014 06:02 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: Yep. I agree...bodacious set of . grant is a dr. Jaime Solorza On Nov 11, 2014 7:50 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Screw Jamie and Adam, we watch for Kari: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/889/445/308/bring-kari-byron-and-the-build-team-back-to-mythbusters/ I like Grant too, partially due to the fact he is the only one with an actual degree in science. Tory has a degree of Steve-O in him.
[AFMUG] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs
Has anybody had one of these done before? Do you know any resources specific to our industry that could help with this? Thanks -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs
Weclimb towers and are on roofs all day, which is why I asked. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/11/2014 02:15 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Yes, but for manufacturing, not the WISP. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2014 2:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com ; WISPA General List mailto:wirel...@wispa.org *Subject:* [AFMUG] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs Has anybody had one of these done before? Do you know any resources specific to our industry that could help with this? Thanks -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
[AFMUG] FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015
from: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/11/11/2345213/fcc-confirms-delay-of-new-net-neutrality-rules-until-2015 /The Federal Communications Commission will abandon http://www.dailydot.com/politics/net-neutrality-fcc-tom-wheeler-delayed-obama/itsearlier promise https://www.fcc.gov/blog/setting-record-straight-fcc-s-open-internet-rulesto make a decision on new net neutrality rules this year. Instead, FCC Press Secretary Kim Hart said, there will not be a vote on open internet rules on the December meeting agenda. That would mean rules would now be finalized in 2015. The FCC's confirmation of the delay came just as President Barack Obamalaunched a campaign http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/10/statement-president-net-neutralityto persuade the agency to reclassify broadband Internet service as a public utility./Opensource.com is alsorunning an interview with a legal advisor at the FCC http://opensource.com/government/14/11/fcc-advisor-talks-net-neutrality. He says, There will be a burden on providers. The question is, 'Is that burden justified?' And I think our answer is 'Yes.' -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm 9
So also say people who end up in Vegas for 1-2 weeks :P Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/11/2014 04:54 PM, Jeremy via Af wrote: Thus far I only hit AF because I cannot seem to make time for any of the out of state shows and I am local to Utah. Plus, it rules. I usually have a differing opinion the morning after but that has more to do with the choices I make the night after the event than the event itself. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: SAF and the team will be there! Platinum Sponsors! We love both organizations, and their shows while different, also make them unique and stand on their own. I don't think one would ever be able to replicate the other and vice versa. Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Kohler via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:45 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Animal Farm 9 Hi, The folks at WB manufacturing emailed me about the Animal Farm 9 show in February (4th-5th). We haven't been to an AF show in a couple years. Other than the date, there isn't any 2015 specific information on the site yet, such as this year's agenda or sponsors. What do you all think of the show? Will you be going this year? Do you also go to WISPA (or other shows) or only AF? Thanks for your input. Feel free to have be opinionated. :) -- Ivan Kohler President and Head Geek Freeside Internet Services, Inc. http://www.freeside.biz/
Re: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create
Josh's Monday Morning Thought: What if Bob Ross was Tyler Durden Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/10/2014 07:00 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I think everybody stops when channel surfing and they come across bob ross. That guy could have shot your grandmother and made you feel calm and happy about it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Happy little trees... On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: LOL :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/09/2014 06:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Did he beat the devil out of a little brush? *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create Watching Bob Ross on Create while enjoying a few Tecates...damn its kind of transcendental... Jaime Solorza -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create
Oh my god, Bob Ross has an android app. http://www.bobross.com/ Count me in. Today's Forecast: Productivity low to none. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/10/2014 07:32 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Josh's Monday Morning Thought: What if Bob Ross was Tyler Durden Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/10/2014 07:00 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I think everybody stops when channel surfing and they come across bob ross. That guy could have shot your grandmother and made you feel calm and happy about it On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Happy little trees... On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: LOL :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/09/2014 06:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Did he beat the devil out of a little brush? *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create Watching Bob Ross on Create while enjoying a few Tecates...damn its kind of transcendental... Jaime Solorza -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create
LOL :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/09/2014 06:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Did he beat the devil out of a little brush? *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create Watching Bob Ross on Create while enjoying a few Tecates...damn its kind of transcendental... Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower
Bout to say, our company has been doing installs with super88 and good quality zip ties in Alaska for about 10 years now. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/08/2014 07:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: If you use quality zip ties they are just fine. On Saturday, November 8, 2014, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I need to find my old pics of a company that used Zip ties on towers instead of hangers or cable tray. A 400' run of lmr400 came loose during a winter storm and the Electric company thought it was a guy wire flappin in the wind from a distance and had everyone pacing the floor and trying to get to the site to look to see what needs to be done. Needless to say as a standard policy we do not allow for any zip ties anywhere on any of our towers including metal ones unless they are rated for outdoor use and only for short distances. As for type of hybrid cable we use. We use Bestronics to customize the ends for good terminations. On 11/8/2014 4:26 PM, Craig House via Af wrote: We have purchased outdoor rated unarmored fiber to run up many towers over the last 2 to 3 years I have not yet had a problem with any of it wearing through and we do not put it in conduit As long as you zip tie it frequently so that it is not rubbing around on anything it shouldn't be a problem We have been buying our fiber preterminated from discount low-voltage.com http://low-voltage.com I have never had anything sent to me that was not as we ordered it or that didn't work when we installed everything is been top-quality from them It even comes with a Kevlar Pullhook and plastic shroud over the pull in so you don't hang it on anything as you pull it up Craig Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2014, at 16:19, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I don’t know much if anything about fiber, but I see lots of options here: http://ce.superioressex.com/products/communications/osp-cable/fiber/ I would think armor would provide gopher protection in direct burial applications and cut resistance in tower and grain leg applications, but I also see several rugged non-armored types listed there including: double jacket non-armor (series 1G) ADSS 100/200/400 heavy duty LT (series 1H) *From:* Darin Steffl via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 3:57 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower So you're saying don't go armored fiber at all but just outdoor rated fiber and make sure nothing can rub through the jacket? We're looking for something tougher that can withstand the pull up the tower and then the elements since we don't want to run conduit. On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I cannot imagine a benefit to having armored/shielded on a fiber up the tower other than mechanical protection. It would not offer any electrical benefits and could actually pick up and transfer RF and induced impulses from lightening. *From:* Darin Steffl via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 1:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower Hey guys, For fiber runs to a switch or radio on top of the tower, do you recommend non-armored fiber or armored with the metal shield? If there a way to have armored fiber without metal inside? I'm wondering how some of you run fiber up to the top now and if having metal in the fiber is alright or if it's a bad idea because of lightning or grounding issues. Looking for best practices here. Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi --
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower
Whatever it is the local electric outlet sells TBH. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/08/2014 09:29 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: What are the good zip ties you use? It's very hard finding some that don't snap below 55 degrees. On Sunday, November 9, 2014, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Bout to say, our company has been doing installs with super88 and good quality zip ties in Alaska for about 10 years now. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/08/2014 07:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote: If you use quality zip ties they are just fine. On Saturday, November 8, 2014, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I need to find my old pics of a company that used Zip ties on towers instead of hangers or cable tray. A 400' run of lmr400 came loose during a winter storm and the Electric company thought it was a guy wire flappin in the wind from a distance and had everyone pacing the floor and trying to get to the site to look to see what needs to be done. Needless to say as a standard policy we do not allow for any zip ties anywhere on any of our towers including metal ones unless they are rated for outdoor use and only for short distances. As for type of hybrid cable we use. We use Bestronics to customize the ends for good terminations. On 11/8/2014 4:26 PM, Craig House via Af wrote: We have purchased outdoor rated unarmored fiber to run up many towers over the last 2 to 3 years I have not yet had a problem with any of it wearing through and we do not put it in conduit As long as you zip tie it frequently so that it is not rubbing around on anything it shouldn't be a problem We have been buying our fiber preterminated from discount low-voltage.com http://low-voltage.com I have never had anything sent to me that was not as we ordered it or that didn't work when we installed everything is been top-quality from them It even comes with a Kevlar Pullhook and plastic shroud over the pull in so you don't hang it on anything as you pull it up Craig Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2014, at 16:19, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don’t know much if anything about fiber, but I see lots of options here: http://ce.superioressex.com/products/communications/osp-cable/fiber/ I would think armor would provide gopher protection in direct burial applications and cut resistance in tower and grain leg applications, but I also see several rugged non-armored types listed there including: double jacket non-armor (series 1G) ADSS 100/200/400 heavy duty LT (series 1H) *From:* Darin Steffl via Af *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 3:57 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower So you're saying don't go armored fiber at all but just outdoor rated fiber and make sure nothing can rub through the jacket? We're looking for something tougher that can withstand the pull up the tower and then the elements since we don't want to run conduit. On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I cannot imagine a benefit to having armored/shielded on a fiber up the tower other than mechanical protection. It would not offer any electrical benefits and could actually pick up and transfer RF and induced impulses from lightening. *From:* Darin Steffl via Af *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 1:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fiber to top of tower Hey guys, For fiber runs to a switch or radio on top of the tower, do you recommend non-armored fiber or armored with the metal shield? If there a way to have armored fiber without metal inside? I'm wondering how some of you run fiber up to the top now and if having metal in the fiber is alright or if it's a bad idea because of lightning or grounding issues. Looking for best practices here. Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com
[AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply
Need some part numbers for cheap 24VDC - 48VDC ~72W din mount step-up/power supplies. Throw some part numbers out there :) -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
[AFMUG] 4.9 for medical records transfer from hospital to clinic
Could 4.9GHz be used for medical records transfer from hospital to clinic if license was passed from county to hospital? It's a long shot, but I have to ask. -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply
I don't see a 48v output RSD model on meanwell's site Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 12:50 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I would not use the SD. Get an RSD instead. On 11/7/2014 3:46 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote: 24V - 48V DC/DC converter 200WSD-200B-48Meanwell https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_1953911_-1 This is from my parts list. More than you are asking for and about $80 but I bet you can look at others in that series to find a better fit. -Ty On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Need some part numbers for cheap 24VDC - 48VDC ~72W din mount step-up/power supplies. Throw some part numbers out there :) -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply
+24/+48 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 01:01 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: +24 to +48? or +24 to –48? Dumb question, if it’s +24 to +48, would it be kosher to use a 24V to 24V converter with isolated input/output and connect the negative output terminal to +24 so they are in series? Seems like this would improve efficiency and cut the power requirement in half, so that a 60W Traco should be adequate. http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/datasheets/bm/Traco/70062693.pdf *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 3:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply I would not use the SD. Get an RSD instead. On 11/7/2014 3:46 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote: 24V - 48V DC/DC converter 200WSD-200B-48Meanwell https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_1953911_-1 This is from my parts list. More than you are asking for and about $80 but I bet you can look at others in that series to find a better fit. -Ty On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Need some part numbers for cheap 24VDC - 48VDC ~72W din mount step-up/power supplies. Throw some part numbers out there :) -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply
Thanks Quite a bit bigger than I was looking for and way more power than I need, but it should work. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 01:02 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: RSD-200B-48 *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 4:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply I don't see a 48v output RSD model on meanwell's site Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 12:50 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I would not use the SD. Get an RSD instead. On 11/7/2014 3:46 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote: 24V - 48V DC/DC converter 200WSD-200B-48Meanwell https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_1953911_-1 This is from my parts list. More than you are asking for and about $80 but I bet you can look at others in that series to find a better fit. -Ty On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Need some part numbers for cheap 24VDC - 48VDC ~72W din mount step-up/power supplies. Throw some part numbers out there :) -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply
Well, here's a question... If one of those dies in-line, will it fry my SAF POE? :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 01:10 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: The RSD-200B-48 will definitely work, but it’s not DIN rail. The TL 060-124 DC is DIN rail, and I don’t see why you couldn’t stack its output on top of your existing +24 to get +48. I haven’t actually done it though. The input/output isolation spec is 1500V so you wouldn’t be violating any specs. The wiring might confuse somebody working on the equipment later. I have used the TL 060-124 DC a bunch of places, like to get regulated 24V (for fussy devices) from battery 24V, or to down convert 48V to 24V. It’s useful in enough situations that you can stock a few and not feel it’s an odd item you will never use again. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 4:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply +24/+48 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 01:01 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: +24 to +48? or +24 to –48? Dumb question, if it’s +24 to +48, would it be kosher to use a 24V to 24V converter with isolated input/output and connect the negative output terminal to +24 so they are in series? Seems like this would improve efficiency and cut the power requirement in half, so that a 60W Traco should be adequate. http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/datasheets/bm/Traco/70062693.pdf *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 3:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply I would not use the SD. Get an RSD instead. On 11/7/2014 3:46 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote: 24V - 48V DC/DC converter 200WSD-200B-48Meanwell https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_1953911_-1 This is from my parts list. More than you are asking for and about $80 but I bet you can look at others in that series to find a better fit. -Ty On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Need some part numbers for cheap 24VDC - 48VDC ~72W din mount step-up/power supplies. Throw some part numbers out there :) -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply
Then again, this might be a better bet: TP-VRHP-2456 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 02:14 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Checking with SAF to see if I can just use a TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP . Then feed that 48v from the meanwell. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 02:13 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: That sort of sounds like it might work. Half the current on each 24V supply. I bet if one of them failed, the output would go to zero because of the isolation. bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService On 11/7/2014 2:01 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: +24 to +48? or +24 to –48? Dumb question, if it’s +24 to +48, would it be kosher to use a 24V to 24V converter with isolated input/output and connect the negative output terminal to +24 so they are in series? Seems like this would improve efficiency and cut the power requirement in half, so that a 60W Traco should be adequate. http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/datasheets/bm/Traco/70062693.pdf *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 3:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply I would not use the SD. Get an RSD instead. On 11/7/2014 3:46 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote: 24V - 48V DC/DC converter 200WSD-200B-48Meanwell https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_1953911_-1 This is from my parts list. More than you are asking for and about $80 but I bet you can look at others in that series to find a better fit. -Ty On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Need some part numbers for cheap 24VDC - 48VDC ~72W din mount step-up/power supplies. Throw some part numbers out there :) -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply
Looks like in 55v output mode, it will only take 30-50VDC input:/ Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 01:28 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: My experience with two 24VDC power supplies in series (like inside a CTM2) is that if one of them dies, the 48V drops to 24V. Is this a DC site with batteries? Will the SAF POE accept up to 60V? If so, maybe build the site for 48V and downconvert to 24V for stuff that needs 24V. That also eliminates any worries about 24V equipment that might get fried by 30V. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 4:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply Well, here's a question... If one of those dies in-line, will it fry my SAF POE? :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 01:10 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: The RSD-200B-48 will definitely work, but it’s not DIN rail. The TL 060-124 DC is DIN rail, and I don’t see why you couldn’t stack its output on top of your existing +24 to get +48. I haven’t actually done it though. The input/output isolation spec is 1500V so you wouldn’t be violating any specs. The wiring might confuse somebody working on the equipment later. I have used the TL 060-124 DC a bunch of places, like to get regulated 24V (for fussy devices) from battery 24V, or to down convert 48V to 24V. It’s useful in enough situations that you can stock a few and not feel it’s an odd item you will never use again. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 4:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply +24/+48 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 01:01 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: +24 to +48? or +24 to –48? Dumb question, if it’s +24 to +48, would it be kosher to use a 24V to 24V converter with isolated input/output and connect the negative output terminal to +24 so they are in series? Seems like this would improve efficiency and cut the power requirement in half, so that a 60W Traco should be adequate. http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/datasheets/bm/Traco/70062693.pdf *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 3:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] dc-dc step up / power supply I would not use the SD. Get an RSD instead. On 11/7/2014 3:46 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote: 24V - 48V DC/DC converter 200WSD-200B-48Meanwell https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_1953911_-1 This is from my parts list. More than you are asking for and about $80 but I bet you can look at others in that series to find a better fit. -Ty On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Need some part numbers for cheap 24VDC - 48VDC ~72W din mount step-up/power supplies. Throw some part numbers out there :) -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 for medical records transfer from hospital to clinic
That's what I understood as well, just trying to see if anybody else has done this. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/07/2014 03:00 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote: While the band is reserved for city and county, I believe it’s use is at the discretion of the local government. If the city and county signoff on it, it’s probably not going to be an issue (but fact-check that). Jerry *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 11:59 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 4.9 for medical records transfer from hospital to clinic Could 4.9GHz be used for medical records transfer from hospital to clinic if license was passed from county to hospital? It's a long shot, but I have to ask. -- Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
UBNT has made it what, 10 years now? By looking at their quarterly statements and a few things down the pipe -- I'm gonna go with Yes. Cambium? *shrug* Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/05/2014 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: So, does UBNT have legs? Will it still exist in 10 years? Will Cambium? *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 2:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses If UBNT gets in the smart meter business, Chuck M better be the only guy on it from that company. I can only imagine the disasterous consequenses if they let the other UBNT promisers loose on anything that matters On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Hmmm, Chuck M is showing a lot of interest in smart meters. I'm calling it right now: UniMeter. Cloud-based 900Mhz meshed smart meters. I'll license you the use of that name for a nominal fee. On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: In fact...the smart grid can help eliminate rolling brownouts/blackouts by carefully managing the power delivered to customers on the end of the lines by controlling the delivered voltage. Basically, these meters give power companies the ability to measure the voltage delivered to meet the minimum requirements at the end of each feed... Substation transformers can then be set to deliver lower voltage (= lower power usage) thus avoiding brownouts...of course, load control (turning off your A/C) doesn't hurt either. Pre-smart grid, the main way the power company knew about lines going down (storms, trees, etc) was when they got a phone call. These meters will tell them where they have issues so they can route around much much much faster; other parts of the smart grid can allow power to be rerouted from a control panel rather than a power company truck and a guy with an insulated stick throwing a switch in the rain. It is a fascinating topic... Chuck On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The smartgrid does have the benefit off allowing essential services to stay up in the event of rolling black/brownouts I watched a PBS show about the power situation over in India or one of those places, its crazy, people steal power left and right just tying onto the wires. The transformers are always catching fire and people dump water on them. As much as I hate US power companies, I cant imagine living over there. Linemen get beat up alot You could tell the show was geared at it being a humanitarian issue, these poor people losing their power... how will they survive, but the majority of the background images were of people powering consumer electronics... not a justifiable theft IMHO... I did not know TV was a basic human right On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Smart meters certainly can shut you off remotely. That is a huge safety benefit to the power companies - it turns out that turning the power off to a customer that has not paid their bill is not always a pleasant experience. Chuck On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: From ComEd smartmeter FAQ: Smart meters for residential customers will have remote switching capabilities that can be used when a customer closes an account, then reconnects when the customer starts a new account. One of the benefits of this remote switching capability is that ComEd can provide electrical service to customers more quickly, after the customer has contacted ComEd to initiate service. ComEd can also expedite the transfer of electrical service when a customer moves from one location to another within the ComEd service territory. I see a post on the Mike Holt electrician forum about whether calling the electric company and having them remotely shut off the power makes it safe to work on, as opposed to pulling the meter. (hell no) -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses Well, maybe some of them. I don't think the ones around here have that capability. Wouldn't they have to have some large contactors and a relay? I think that alone
Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
They're about to start the 2.0 launch for Canada and other parts of the world I believe? I haven't been keeping up with it, but that was the last thing I heard about. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/05/2014 01:46 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: So what’s up with UWN? Have not heard anything about it lately. *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 3:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses I think at some point Ubiquiti will have to prune their product line or spin some stuff off as standalone companies. Maybe not be quite as ruthless as Google, but I think they risk losing focus. I don’t shop at Newegg anymore because of that, and I think Amazon is flirting with it. Keep the winners, flush the losers, consolidate some of the almost-the-same-as products, and make some of the non microwave stars their own business unit or company. Oh, and call UWN a grand experiment and turn it off. Google wouldn’t hesitate. You’re welcome for the free advice, it’s worth every penny. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 4:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses UBNT has made it what, 10 years now? By looking at their quarterly statements and a few things down the pipe -- I'm gonna go with Yes. Cambium? *shrug* Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/05/2014 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: So, does UBNT have legs? Will it still exist in 10 years? Will Cambium? *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 2:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses If UBNT gets in the smart meter business, Chuck M better be the only guy on it from that company. I can only imagine the disasterous consequenses if they let the other UBNT promisers loose on anything that matters On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Hmmm, Chuck M is showing a lot of interest in smart meters. I'm calling it right now: UniMeter. Cloud-based 900Mhz meshed smart meters. I'll license you the use of that name for a nominal fee. On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: In fact...the smart grid can help eliminate rolling brownouts/blackouts by carefully managing the power delivered to customers on the end of the lines by controlling the delivered voltage. Basically, these meters give power companies the ability to measure the voltage delivered to meet the minimum requirements at the end of each feed... Substation transformers can then be set to deliver lower voltage (= lower power usage) thus avoiding brownouts...of course, load control (turning off your A/C) doesn't hurt either. Pre-smart grid, the main way the power company knew about lines going down (storms, trees, etc) was when they got a phone call. These meters will tell them where they have issues so they can route around much much much faster; other parts of the smart grid can allow power to be rerouted from a control panel rather than a power company truck and a guy with an insulated stick throwing a switch in the rain. It is a fascinating topic... Chuck On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The smartgrid does have the benefit off allowing essential services to stay up in the event of rolling black/brownouts I watched a PBS show about the power situation over in India or one of those places, its crazy, people steal power left and right just tying onto the wires. The transformers are always catching fire and people dump water on them. As much as I hate US power companies, I cant imagine living over there. Linemen get beat up alot You could tell the show was geared at it being a humanitarian issue, these poor people losing their power... how will they survive, but the majority of the background images were of people powering consumer electronics... not a justifiable theft IMHO... I did not know TV was a basic human right On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Smart meters certainly can shut you off remotely. That is a huge safety benefit to the power companies - it turns out that turning the power off to a customer that has not paid their bill is not always a pleasant experience. Chuck On Wed, Nov 5, 2014
Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup
Well, there's the community.x.com Then there's the lithium backend, that UBNT is moving away from because it wasn't customizable enough. Forums, Knowledge Base,Stories section -- in the same order (granted, it's alphabetized...). Latest Topics / Latest Posts (same order), and therest of the layout (again, lithium backend). I agree with the Apple/Microsoft look.. as well as their licensing methods (or lack of), and product design. Kind of funny actually once you put it in that light. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/05/2014 04:43 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Mike, you mean naming it community.domain.com? Or making it attractive to hang out? Why does it feel like Cambium=Microsoft and Ubiquiti=Apple? And community.ubnt.com has kind of a white-on-white Apple look to it, while community.cambiumnetworks.com with the colored tiles has kind of a Microsoft look to it. I am reminded of Stephen Colbert’s quip the other day that in 2 years, Microsoft’s CEO will come out as gay. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup Like Ubiquiti? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Mangriotis via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:13:05 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup But we are trying to make it more attractive to hang out there J We finally have a fully functional forum site with tons of information, direct feedback areas, discussions, knowledge base articles, and as Ben mentions an “Ideas” section… It just launched this week, so we’re just getting rolling, but we’re working hard to make that the “go to” place for all things Cambium Networks. Please check it out if you haven’t yet. http://community.cambiumnetworks.com Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2014 4:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium setup The manufacturer hangs out here. *From:*Ben Royer via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:*Wednesday, November 05, 2014 3:30 PM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*[AFMUG] New Cambium setup Just wanted to follow up to that link I posted. Pretty cool new site Cambium has now, I’ve been looking around on it. The ‘Idea’ section I think could benefit a lot of us on here because the more new product ideas and/or changes they get the more influenced they may be to develop those ideas. Just thought I’d mention it since I read a lot of good concepts and ideas on this list but now we at least have a means to direct those ideas straight to a manufacturer. http://community.cambiumnetworks.com Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net http://www.royell.net
Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.
We use observium for monitoring routers, servers, and switches. It can do auto discovery if you want it to, but we don't. We do *not* use it for monitoring radios, we just point it to a dns entry for a site (say sw1.k0x.internaldnsnamehere) to monitor traffic and latency. It integrates with ntop, rancid, smokeping, and a few other things to pull that data right into the observium interface. You can *not* specify certain OIDs and things to monitor, it does all of this on it's own. If there isn't a device specific MIB or if the OIDs don't follow a the SNMP standards to a T, then it won't workfor that device very well. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/03/2014 09:38 AM, Joshua Heide via Af wrote: Besides prtg and cacti is there anything else out there worth looking into. Currently we use prtg to monitor all of our towers and things at our noc. Then we use cacti to monitor our customers. Just curious what you guys use and if there anything new coming out. Thanks, Josh Heide Velociter Wireless (office) 209-838-1221 (fax) 209-838-1800 www.velociter.net http://www.velociter.net/
Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.
oops forgot about syslog! :) We have all of our observium monitored devices sending syslog info to it as well Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/03/2014 10:54 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Observium and LibreNMS are what the cool kids are running these days. A friend of mine put out a series of blog posts regarding how to install Observium and then how to integrate it with various other services like syslog, Rancid, etc. http://bit.ly/1qmtAKW - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Joshua Heide via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 12:38:00 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Network monitor. Besides prtg and cacti is there anything else out there worth looking into. Currently we use prtg to monitor all of our towers and things at our noc. Then we use cacti to monitor our customers. Just curious what you guys use and if there anything new coming out. Thanks, Josh Heide Velociter Wireless (office) 209-838-1221 (fax) 209-838-1800 www.velociter.net http://www.velociter.net/
Re: [AFMUG] OT outlook becomes intermittent in satellite office
same here :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/03/2014 11:45 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: Daemons are benign spirits from classical mythology. Demons want to tempt you to sin so you'll join the bad guys' team. Or so I thought.I don't know why they're pronounced the same. I still say day-mun in my head when I read the word because I learned the word long before I heard it pronounced. OK, someone tell me, why is daemon pronounced demon and why cannot we simply spell it demon? Always seemed pretentious to me. -Original Message- From: Shayne Lebrun via Af Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] outlook becomes intermittent in satellite office Ok, well, there's not many places SMTP email can fail silently. 1: your mail server cannot/does not accept the mail. Your email program will display *some* sort of error message. 2: Your mail server cannot/will not forward the message to the MX for the domain in question. You'll almost invariably get a mailer daemon notification about this, though your email program/spam filter/anti virus might do something stupid and hide it from you. 3: The MX for the address cannot/will not accept the message. Again, it will respond with a reason, and your mail server will almost invariably forward that along to you. 4: The recipient's email program cannot/will not get the email from their mail server. And number 4 is likely what's happening here. The email is getting where it needs to go, then getting shunted to somebody's spam folder or something. Mail server logs will tell you exactly what's happening. Telneting to your mail server's submission port (usually 25 or 587) and making with the ESMTP commands might also shed some light. From memory, and it's been a while since I did direct SMTP support: EHLO enter MAIL FROM: myaddr...@mydomain.com enter RCPT TO: youraddr...@yourdomain.com enter DATA enter Hello this is a message. It will look odd in most mail programs, because you're skipping some of the headers that aren't strictly necessary, but most email programs will expect. Still, you'll get back SMTP status codes, as well as a brief description of any problems encountered.enter .enter quit enter -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 2:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] outlook becomes intermittent in satellite office I haven't looked at it in person. According to the tech on site, the email goes out without error. They've talked to their email provider (Globat), and they've been told that the email gets to the email server (and I don't know if it's exchange or sendmail). Different people in the office use different email clients. Just so happens that the people in the satellite office all use Outlook. I've asked about logs going out of the email server, but they have not had that information yet. bp On 10/31/2014 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I don't know, my experience with SMTP is, if you don't get an error message, it went and you need to look at the mailserver logs to see what happened. Although Outlook is pretty bad about useful error messages. When you say it only occurs with Outlook, I take it you don't mean that particular email client, but rather it works if you use webmail. Have you tried temporarily a different email client from the problem computer, like Thunderbird or Windows Live Mail? The most useful thing, especially if you or the customer controls the mailserver, is to look at the logs right after sending an email. Was the message received? Was it relayed and did it go to the right mailserver according to MX records and to the right recipient? Was it accepted by the recipient's mailserver, and if not, what SMTP error codes were logged? Is it still in the mailserver queue being retried? If you had packet loss so bad that outgoing email didn't work, I'd expect trouble with incoming mail, webmail, web browsing, etc. And if Outlook is unable to send the email, you should get an error message, and the message should be stuck in the Outlook outbox. Unless some antivirus program is spoofing to Outlook that it was sent. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 10:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] outlook becomes intermittent in satellite office It was doing this on 5.21; we upgraded to 5.26 as a test. No difference. And, it's the same router whether it's local (main office) or remote (satellite office). The symptom is that some email never reaches the destination only when sent from a computer in the satellite office, and only when using outlook. If the email is sent from web mail from a computer in the satellite office, it works fine. Received email is fine. Likewise, if the computer is moved from the satellite office to the
Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.
Miller's blog? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/03/2014 02:51 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Missing anything from Miller's blog? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 5:45:28 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor. oops forgot about syslog! :) We have all of our observium monitored devices sending syslog info to it as well Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/03/2014 10:54 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Observium and LibreNMS are what the cool kids are running these days. A friend of mine put out a series of blog posts regarding how to install Observium and then how to integrate it with various other services like syslog, Rancid, etc. http://bit.ly/1qmtAKW - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Joshua Heide via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 12:38:00 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Network monitor. Besides prtg and cacti is there anything else out there worth looking into. Currently we use prtg to monitor all of our towers and things at our noc. Then we use cacti to monitor our customers. Just curious what you guys use and if there anything new coming out. Thanks, Josh Heide Velociter Wireless (office) 209-838-1221 (fax) 209-838-1800 www.velociter.net http://www.velociter.net/
Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.
Didn't look. goes to look... We're not using rancid at this time. Everything I've configured I've done using this: http://www.observium.org/wiki/Configuration_Options Or via the observium mailing list... like setup a ramdisk to push all of the .rrd's to before syncing witha folder on the SSD array(every 6 hrs). I've been on there with Robbie Wright, Chris Ruschman, and a few others trying to get them to support certain products. I guess I'll just have to push a pile of cash their way. I really like observium as a whole. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/03/2014 04:08 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Link I posted earlier. 1:53 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 7:07:49 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor. Miller's blog? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/03/2014 02:51 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Missing anything from Miller's blog? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 5:45:28 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor. oops forgot about syslog! :) We have all of our observium monitored devices sending syslog info to it as well Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/03/2014 10:54 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Observium and LibreNMS are what the cool kids are running these days. A friend of mine put out a series of blog posts regarding how to install Observium and then how to integrate it with various other services like syslog, Rancid, etc. http://bit.ly/1qmtAKW - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Joshua Heide via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 12:38:00 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Network monitor. Besides prtg and cacti is there anything else out there worth looking into. Currently we use prtg to monitor all of our towers and things at our noc. Then we use cacti to monitor our customers. Just curious what you guys use and if there anything new coming out. Thanks, Josh Heide Velociter Wireless (office) 209-838-1221 (fax) 209-838-1800 www.velociter.net http://www.velociter.net/
Re: [AFMUG] Random Oberservation
You joke, but one of our customers does a *lot* of systems design work for the auto industry. He runs his own company from homevia skype with 2-3 other developers. It's all linux. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 11/02/2014 05:41 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: Must be industrial grade computers running Linux...ducking Jaime Solorza How come my Nissan Leaf boots up faster than any computer I’ve ever had? That thing is ready to drive in like 5 seconds and it has multiple computers. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 tel:602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
Our customers just have to pay the setup fee and first month before the install date. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 06:38 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Do you guys also require customers to give the installer the upfront payment? I don’t have the installers handle money (unless the customer gives them a tip) because I don’t want to be in the situation where the customer says I gave the installer a check but I didn’t get a check. Or someone trying to pay the installer in cash or chickens. Or kittens, they are always trying to give us kittens. *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork you dont have a website or email? They can fill ours out or download them from the website they can scan and email them back in or postal mail/hand deliver it would seem to me additional work for office staff whos job it is to shuffle paperwork would be better than additional work for field crews who arent paper jockeys. that just my opinion, and thats based on the fact that we hire retards most of the time, I assume thats where mileage varies. but to the original OP if you have mediacom in your area, their vans all have printers in them, theyre in the back end behind the cage, probably because of too many mustard packets in the print head. You ought to snatch one of those guys up off the street and find out what printer theyre using On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: For me, having them sign ahead of time would require extra work. I would have to have them print it and then I'd either be back on paperwork or I'd have to scan it and upload it to their account back at the office. I can't 'push' a contract to them if they aren't on my network. On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:24 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: seriously, why do you guys not get your contracts signed ahead of time? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We use digital contracts through Powercode. They added this feature last year. I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and cannot access the net until they are signed. We have them sign at the time of the install. I have only had two who sat there and read the entire thing. Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm. Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's account. This has really simplified the process for us. Thanks Powercode! On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:46 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware . The cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready to sign. I say the writing is on the wall :) On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 tel:217-965-3699 www.royell.net http://www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
So, I had a suspicion about some TDMA stuff that I was talking to other people in Vegas about... I just got an email from someone to confirm my hypothesis. So if you define the time it takes to poll all clients in a TDMA system as 1 round, and you know that the longer the round is, the more total throughput but higher latency you have, you can already make some decent decisions off of that. Another metric that would be nice to have, is actually how long each client is being polled- either in actual time measurement, or as a percentage of total round time. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 10:55 AM, Ben Moore via Af wrote: Hey Mike - So you want something with total airtime, actual capacity in both directions and airtime distribution per CPE ? Thanks, Ben On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters
SoftIRQ % is a pretty good indicator of how busy the radio is. You can see that in top on the radio. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 11:09 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below). bp On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using what percent, etc. I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how many bits are flowing through it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
F that. Wear and tear on CPEs. We don't use them, but many swear they will only let their installers use EZ-RJ45. If that's the case, I wouldn't want those people punching down radios. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Punch down
RJ45 is secured via locking clip. Punch-downs are secured strictly via friction. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/30/2014 01:26 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Could that wind\vibration not knock out an RJ45? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:23:50 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Punch down I am not a fan. Especially in an environment where wind could move wires or there is vibration etc. And repeated punchdown wears out whatever the punchdown is attached to. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:11 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Punch down What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
