Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

[Rory Conaway]

Mimosa B5c can pull 500Mbps to 1Gbps on that type of link depending on how much 
spectrum you want to use.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 2:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

Well, that explains everything.

From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 3:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

3ft... Jirous on one side and one of the WB Optic on the other actually!

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 5:17 PM  wrote:
Wow, what size dishes?

From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

Chuck we just did a 13 mile link using AF5XHD, getting about 350mbps in both 
directions using 60mhz and 50/50 ratio.

On Jun 6, 2018 2:42 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
Yeah, if you go with 3' dishes you might be getting close to $1500 in cost, but 
that'll easily cover it with 2 footers.

The only parts involved are going to be the dishes and the radios, so it's 
pretty simple to price... well, I suppose mounts and surge suppressors too, but 
I assume you know where to get those...


On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:14 PM,  wrote:
Thanks, that is what I am looking for.  Actually not sure yet what up down 
ratio the customer will be buying yet.

If I tell the owners $1500 for parts then I should be good to go?

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 11:47 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

That's because airfibers use a fixed up/down ratio (75/25, in this case). If 
you needed 50/50, this link would only be get you somewhere around 140Mbps each 
way.
Signal is just a little too low to get 8X (256qam) on this case, but I probably 
could if I changed them to the new HD version, since they can get a little 
higher power at any given modulation, and they can achieve higher modulations 
at lower signal levels... it might even be able to do 1024qam (it probably 
could with 3' dishes anyway). going to a 50mhz channel would also add some 20% 
capacity (50mhz is the max for the standard af-5x, but the hd can go up to 
100mhz if you have lots of spectrum to burn).

An entire link with 2' dishes should come to router around $1000. I haven't 
priced the 3' dishes recently, but they are quite a bit pricier.


On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 11:21 AM,  wrote:
Is the 65 Mbps a limitation of the link or system settings or ??

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:16 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

Here's an example of a 25km AF-5x link using 2' dishes. I'd probably use 
AF-5xHD radios these days, and I'd use the airFiber dishes (the only difference 
between them and the RocketDish LW is that they're slant vs H/V).


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On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
Which is better, Rocket 5AC + RocketDish LW
or
AF5X + AF-5G34-S45

?

Or some other brand.  Hauling out PTP to a customer.  Like to keep the 
bandwidth up but they are not currently asking for more than 100 Mbps.

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Rory Conaway]

The B24 also uses a lot less power and is smaller/lighter.

Rory

From: Af  On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

The B24 is solid up to about 1.5 miles in dry weather.  Past that, it’s going 
to be affected more by the weather than the AF24 but it also starts off with a 
higher throughput rate.  Will be interesting to see how that pans out in the 
real world.

Rory

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Mike 
Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.


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From: "Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?

On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Sam 
Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

Hey all,

Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.

Thanks

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com<http://www.newmex.com>



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

[Rory Conaway]

The B24 is solid up to about 1.5 miles in dry weather.  Past that, it’s going 
to be affected more by the weather than the AF24 but it also starts off with a 
higher throughput rate.  Will be interesting to see how that pans out in the 
real world.

Rory

From: Af  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?

On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24 replacement, 
but… works for the application

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Sam 
Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

Hey all,

Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and these 
fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is sweet too.

Thanks

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[Rory Conaway]

We use the wall anchor pins with Unistrut and then just clamp to the pipe.  
Drill a hole for the pin, tap it down with a washer to expand it and they lock 
solid.

rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

So long as they dont use pine logs should be ok :)

On 05/15/2018 07:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to hold it in place.

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to mount it 
vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal runs.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie  wrote:
Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?

If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see what all 
can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit myself to that 
one store, though.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6' section of 
1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was thinking of 
just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a bracket of some type, 
possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred. I'll need to source it from 
a local hardware store.





--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

--
[cid:image001.jpg@01D3EDFA.064B9560]

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[Rory Conaway]

https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/fasteners/Anchors/Hammer-Drive-Anchors/red-head-1-4-x-2-hammer-set?infoParam.campaignId=T9F=EAIaIQobChMIwb7h4fKN2wIVwz2BCh1nIQ3hEAQYASABEgKdUPD_BwE

use washers to hold in the unistrut.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

So long as they dont use pine logs should be ok :)

On 05/15/2018 07:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to hold it in place.

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to mount it 
vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal runs.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie  wrote:
Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?

If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see what all 
can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit myself to that 
one store, though.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6' section of 
1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I was thinking of 
just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a bracket of some type, 
possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred. I'll need to source it from 
a local hardware store.





--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

--
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Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance

[Rory Conaway]

We have some very hard rains during monsoon seasons.  The AF24 will go down at 
2.5m with the heaviest of rains for up to 30 minutes twice a year.  That same 
rain won’t take down the AF24 at 2 miles though.

We are banking on the B24 to be solid like that at about ½ mile less.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance

Got two PTP550 connectorized links up. Single 40MHz channels, no bonding. 75/25 
TDD split. Getting random session drops on 4.1.1-RC1. Slave GUI stops 
responding under heavy traffic (pushing about 175 downlink). Going to try RC4 
later today if I have time and see what happens.
On 5/14/2018 12:34 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
They’ve made a major software update, but all the bells and whistles aren’t 
there yet.
Jeff Broadwick
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On May 14, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Dave 
> wrote:
Has anyone deployed the new cambium ptp550 radio yet? if so what are you seeing?

On 05/14/2018 10:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yes, you can get 2-ish miles out of 24ghz reasonably well, but I wouldn't go 
anywhere near that far with a Mimosa B24 link - keep in mind that these are 
tiny antennas, not 2' dishes like you can get with some of the other radios out 
there.
I haven't used a B24 yet, but I don't think I'd want to try anything much 
beyond a mile with them.

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Max is 2-ish Miles.

SAF has freemile and integra 24ghz radios too

-Sean


On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 7:20 PM Andreas Wiatowski 
> wrote:
Hi all,

It’s been a while since I’ve posted.  Wondering who has used the Mimosa 24Ghz 
product in a heavy rain zone.  What is your max distance? I really wish Cambium 
had a 24Ghz option!

Cheers,

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Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://silo.ca
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Growth channel ruling

[Rory Conaway]

Time to take a look closely at these.  Thanks.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Hardy
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Growth channel ruling

GovNet and Telink have numerous paths that were coordinated on every available 
frequency and polarization.  Some of these were coordinated originally as long 
as seven years ago and they have been renewing and protecting these with a 
vengeance ever since.

Take a look at the pleadings attached to this application (link below) for a 
typical example.  Click the ADMIN tab and then look down the page at the 
pleadings.  This one is awaiting FCC action.

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/ApplicationSearch/applMain.jsp;JSESSIONID_APPSEARCH=VN1yhhlGR0NxvY9pBThRvrj2yD92gR1NyJ1H4TlQ6rYvMv59wPvp!372345583!484783045?applID=10340856


Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 21:54:23 +
From: Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Growth channel ruling
Message-ID: 
<f3dbb563c7e74021b603705a86072...@triadwireless.net<mailto:f3dbb563c7e74021b603705a86072...@triadwireless.net>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Interesting.  Are you suggesting Govnet also or someone else?

Rory

Sent from my iPad

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Growth channel ruling

[Rory Conaway]

Interesting.  Are you suggesting Govnet also or someone else?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Hardy
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Growth channel ruling

There’s hope for those of you in the HFT corridors (or even in Arizona where a 
certain licensee is laying claim to all of the spectrum) where companies have 
been warehousing spectrum for years by abusing the coordination process:

https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2018/db0419/DA-18-400A1.pdf

Tim
Sent from my iPad

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[Rory Conaway]

So what was the purpose of purchasing licenses today?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration


Actually, to get grandfathering protection when the CBRS band opens up, you had 
to re-register in a new "clean" database by August 7th, 2016.  Here is a list 
of those who obtained Grandfathering Protection.  
https://opendata.fcc.gov/Wireless/ULS-3650-Locations-Default-View/dpvg-tvcx


Respectfully,

-[BaiCells_Tiny3]-
Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies North America, Inc.
Mobile:  (260) 307-4000

rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
www.facebook.com/baicells


Respectfully,

-[BaiCells_Tiny3]-
Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies North America, Inc.
Mobile:  (260) 307-4000

rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
www.facebook.com/baicells


From: Af > On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 10:29 AM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

If you do an ABAB channel plan, you can do four sectors per tower on 20mhz 
channels using GPS sync, but that pretty much gives you no room to work with if 
you into interference, so in practice, more using larger that 10mhz channels 
probably isn't going to be realistic long term for most of us.

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Dave 
> wrote:
50Mhz is not a lot of room for even 2 providers in a county wide area. Because 
customer wants 4k tv to work so either 15mhz or 20mhz wide
channel spacing is needed how many channels can be squeezed out of that 
including reuse with gps?
Scaling can become a major problem as well for both neighbors. Just another 
band turned to crap after everyone becomes a wisp in your area.

Medusa save us from the nether regions of UHD4k LOL
On 04/01/2018 11:01 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
The problem is that it was impractical to register every subscriber location.  
I registered 60 locations one night and it took me several hours.  There was no 
way I was going to invest that much labor into registrations.  They needed both 
a bulk registration method and to make their registration page respond faster.


That said, I have had coordination conversations with another registrant.  It 
was friendly, but it was only marginally productive.  We were not able to agree 
on TDD ratios or a plan for dividing the available 50mhz, so basically we kept 
doing our own thing and resolving interference cases individually as they came 
up.  It sounds like some of you have bad neighbors.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" >
To: "af" >
Sent: 3/31/2018 9:48:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

From what I've seen, most people are just registering every radio for the 
entire 50mhz, so it's not like you can use the information in the database to 
actually coordinate anything (and I think that really is the best option in the 
current climate, since there's a good chance your going to have to change 
channels at some point because of newcomers to the area)... then there are also 
the people that never bother to register anything, or register a few radios and 
then give up because it's too much work...

I'm aware of at least four other companies in our general area that have 
AP/base stations registered, but last I checked only one of them had any 
customer locations registered... for some reason, a lot of people seem to be 
under the Impression that you only need to register the AP (or eNB, in LTE 
speak), but that's not the case and never was - everything is supposed to be 
registered (there is an exception for mobile devices, but that doesn't apply to 
anything a WISP would be using).

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:05 PM, David Coudron 
> wrote:
You need to register the stations, but there is no requirement to coordinate.   
However, depending on how many folks are in your area it still might be a good 
idea to make sure they are up to date on all their registrations.   Sometimes 
we find folks don’t always update their information on the FCC site and you can 
still run into interference.   If there are too many folks in the area, it is 
easier to find open channels and then register.


David Coudron



From: Af > On Behalf Of TJ 
Trout
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

I have a NN license but have never used it, 

Re: [AFMUG] Employee communication

[Rory Conaway]

Way too much noise outside.  Need boom mic as close to the mouth as possible 
with a wind screen.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Lee
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 3:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee communication

@Rory, you can also use a Bluetooth lapel mic.

-Jon
Off-Grid Networks

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 7:45 AM Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Very cool.  I’m going to check it out.  Along those lines, we have all of our 
guys use blue-tooth headsets.  They either get Blue-Parrot or Seinnheiser 
MB-Pros.

Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 6:51 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee communication

Hello +1
Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 12:53 PM Jon Lee 
<j...@off-gridnetworks.com<mailto:j...@off-gridnetworks.com>> wrote:
Just wanted to share something that has helped us out tremendously.

Zello Walkie Talkie app (free)
www.zello.com<http://www.zello.com>
Android, iOS and even PC for dispatch.

Very similar to the old Nextel system. You can talk one to one or one to many.

Hope this helps some of you guys out.

If you want a demo. Look me up, KJ7ON (yeah I am an amateur radio nerd as well)

-Jon
Off-Grid Networks

Re: [AFMUG] Employee communication

[Rory Conaway]

Very cool.  I’m going to check it out.  Along those lines, we have all of our 
guys use blue-tooth headsets.  They either get Blue-Parrot or Seinnheiser 
MB-Pros.

Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 6:51 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee communication

Hello +1
Jaime Solorza

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 12:53 PM Jon Lee 
> wrote:
Just wanted to share something that has helped us out tremendously.

Zello Walkie Talkie app (free)
www.zello.com
Android, iOS and even PC for dispatch.

Very similar to the old Nextel system. You can talk one to one or one to many.

Hope this helps some of you guys out.

If you want a demo. Look me up, KJ7ON (yeah I am an amateur radio nerd as well)

-Jon
Off-Grid Networks

Re: [AFMUG] metal roof mount

[Rory Conaway]

We do too.  Home Depot sells them in various sizes with threads already built 
in.

rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 2:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] metal roof mount

I've always just used angle adapter clamps (the ones that screw in from both 
sides) and then bolted channel or a sled) to them.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 29, 2018, at 4:57 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
https://www.perfect-10.tv/WebStore/ProductDetail.aspx?ID=8201

Has anybody used these? do they fasten pretty well?

Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Rory Conaway]

It would add more cost to a price sensitive product and require our techs to 
carry more equipment.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:48 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the Chicago 
metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, and train station 
seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These units just hang on their 
aerial coax cable, and get their power and data just off a single RG-6 coax run 
off the nearest splitter.  Drawing the power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a 
picture of a typical installation. 
http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0

So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are we still 
using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a installation, RF 
Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, using coax would be the far 
better choice.  Anyone can be taught to terminate a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  
No Colors to remember. Any couplers are inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs 
or broken clips.  Cheap cheap cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default. 
 It just seems that there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios.  
Obviously a licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 
or UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine.  Instead of having to 
deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a tower, just run 
up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.

Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too much, or 
is there another technical aspect I'm missing.  Docsis version
3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync, Docsis 
3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP Clusters for at least a 
few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax products 
built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for the tower base. Feed 
it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding splitters and radios until you run 
out of power budget.

It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure why.  
Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but maybe 
there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So vendor Inter-op 
prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Rory Conaway]

It's pretty hard to write a PHY Layer for the 450 that even comes close to some 
of the capabilities of LTE.  It's even harder and would be insanely expensive 
to try and mimic that in an FPGA.  They are doing the right thing.  

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I cant understand why Cambium opens up another additional platform. Why not 
develop 450 line further implementing some physical layer goodies of LTE. I've 
seen this step with Wimax/PMP320 and all know where this ended up.

Once they implemented LTE stuff it is outdated as 5G is moving in. 


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af  Im Auftrag von Matt Hoppes
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. März 2018 20:37
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
> 
> What’s known about the Cambium LTE product so far?

Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

[Rory Conaway]

Some of us are too busy working to join your coffee klatch :).

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 6:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] list dead?

Did the list dieded or is it just me?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Rory Conaway]

Track car is a road racing car, closed circuit.  Drag car would be the Dodge 
Demon.  At least the way I meant it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 9:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

This may have been said but define "track car" because nothing beats a Dodge 
Demon in the 1/4 mile.

On 3/8/2018 11:59 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy 
specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new 
Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars 
available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).

Travis

On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice race 
track nearby.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

Travis

On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert 
> wrote:
The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund his 
businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" >>
 wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Rory Conaway]

My wife wanted one until she saw the price.  Electric is the future, but the 
battery weight has to come down to be an effective track car.  I’d also be 
curious how those motors handle running full out all the time.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 8:40 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

But all that only really matters if you're racing it... if somebody is just 
paying to go drive a cool car around in circles really fast, they aren't going 
to care that much about lap times - they're just going to want to drive the 
coolest car.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
0-60 does not a track car make.  Most of these cars we are talking about can 
corner at about 1.1-1.2+gs.  That’s a big advantage on a race track.  And they 
all weight a lot less than the Tesla will with the entire car designed for 1 
thing, lower lap times.  If you want a race car, it’s going to drive like crap 
on the street.  If you want a drag car, it’s going to drive like crap on a road 
track.  If you want a car that can do all 3, that’s a compromise car.  The 
Tesla roadster is built for the street first, road race cars will beat it.  
Drag only cars like a Demon will beat it in ¼ mile when prepped, they are 
already hitting sub 9’s.

But seriously, how many of us are going to spend $250K on a car.  I got hives 
thinking of spending $80K on a street Tesla.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is going to 
blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla has a 0-60 of less 
than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net<mailto:t...@ida.net>> 
wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy 
specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new 
Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars 
available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).

Travis
On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice race 
track nearby.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

Travis
On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert 
<i...@avantwireless.com<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund his 
businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com%20%3cmailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>>
 wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Rory Conaway]

0-60 does not a track car make.  Most of these cars we are talking about can 
corner at about 1.1-1.2+gs.  That’s a big advantage on a race track.  And they 
all weight a lot less than the Tesla will with the entire car designed for 1 
thing, lower lap times.  If you want a race car, it’s going to drive like crap 
on the street.  If you want a drag car, it’s going to drive like crap on a road 
track.  If you want a car that can do all 3, that’s a compromise car.  The 
Tesla roadster is built for the street first, road race cars will beat it.  
Drag only cars like a Demon will beat it in ¼ mile when prepped, they are 
already hitting sub 9’s.

But seriously, how many of us are going to spend $250K on a car.  I got hives 
thinking of spending $80K on a street Tesla.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is going to 
blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla has a 0-60 of less 
than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson > 
wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy 
specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new 
Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars 
available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).

Travis

On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice race 
track nearby.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

Travis

On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert 
> wrote:
The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund his 
businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" >>
 wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Rory Conaway]

The ACR and GT350r are about as close to track cars as you can buy under $140K. 
 I think he meant the Ford GT though, not the 350r.  Even the new Camaro ZL1 
1LE is a pretty hot track car.  Me, I’m going to have to live with my 240sx 
Lemons car.  This way when it gets wrecked on the track, it’s only $5K to 
replace it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Dodge Viper ACR smokes the GT350r (65k often with 40k markup, not sure where 
you see 500k) and Z06 road cars.  None of them are track cars.

918 is faster than the ACR on the track by a good 5 seconds.

HPDE insurance isn't crazy expensive - a single day is $300 and if you bundle a 
handful of events it drops pretty steeply.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Travis Johnson 
> wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy 
specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new 
Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars 
available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).

Travis

On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice race 
track nearby.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

Travis

On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert 
> wrote:
The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund his 
businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" >>
 wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Rory Conaway]

Many of those countries don’t give a crap who runs what.  You may need a 
license but for the most part, nobody is there to enforce it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 8:41 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

Friend of mine bought 10 Brand New Stratex 38GHz for $1500.00 in an auction and 
sold them someone in Brazil.   Not sure if 39GHz is a popular band there. Might 
look at surplus resellers.
Jaime Solorza

On Mar 3, 2018 7:02 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> 
wrote:
Yeah, wouldn't be so bad if the equipment had any residual value, I'm not sure 
it does though.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
On 3/3/18 01:00, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining a bit.


The whole thing was fishy with leases that can be canceled on a whim. Totally 
unsuitable for any serious deployment, it was just a spectrum grab and hope 
someone big would buy it.

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Rory Conaway]

Not any more.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 7:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

Yeah, wouldn't be so bad if the equipment had any residual value, I'm not sure 
it does though.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
On 3/3/18 01:00, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining a bit.


The whole thing was fishy with leases that can be canceled on a whim. Totally 
unsuitable for any serious deployment, it was just a spectrum grab and hope 
someone big would buy it.

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Rory Conaway]

We tell our customers to turn off their 5GHz modes just so we don't have to 
track it down.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2.5 GHz?  I'm not the sharpest bulb in the box or something like that so maybe 
I missed something.

https://www.airebeam.com/dualband/

"Dual Band Routers – Not on AireBeam’s Network Routers – Dual Band Prohibited

Dual Band routers broadcast on two frequencies, 2.5 GHz and 5 Ghz. 
AireBeam’s network uses the 5GHz spectrum.  When you operate a dual band router 
on the 5 Ghz frequency, you will create Radio Frequency Interference which will 
impair the quality of the signal that AireBeam broadcasts to your home and also 
those of your neighbors.

Using the 5 GHz frequency will NOT improve your wireless device’s performance. 
It will, in fact, degrade it.  So, AireBeam’s policy is to prohibit customer 
use of 5 GHz wireless equipment.  We cannot enforce this policy without the 
willing cooperation of our customers.  So, we respectfully solicit your support 
and compliance with this policy.

If you have a working, configured 5 GHz wireless router, we would like to offer 
you two solutions:

If it was purchased recently, please return it to the place of purchase and buy 
a 2.4Ghz router.
Alternatively, AireBeam will come to your home and we will trade you one of our 
2.4 GHz wireless routers (brand new out of the box) for your 5 GHz wireless 
router at no cost and we’ll configure the 2.4 GHz wireless router for you for 
free!"

Jay Weekley wrote:
> Yeah, they offered to take their dual band router off of their hands 
> and replace it with one of their 2.4 routers free of charge.
>
> Steve Jones wrote:
>> They essentially did that. One of rhe many hateful facebook threads 
>> was about how they were twlling customers not to use dual band 
>> routers and only ever use 2.4 routers
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2018 4:55 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com 
>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> They better start sending those letters to residential 5 GHz
>> transmitters and business transmitters too...   I mean Omni's
>> potentially only a 100 feet away from a CPE!!!
>>
>> On 03/02/2018 10:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any
>> technical claims. Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're
>> making a contract interference case.
>>
>> The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL 
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>><https://plus.google.com/+Intelligen
>> tComputingSolutionsDeKalb 
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> ://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>><https://www.linkedin.com/company
>> /midwest-internet-exchange 
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>><https://twitter.com/mdwestix
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/
>>     <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
>> 
>> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net
>> <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>>
>> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are
>> just fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m
>> going to make an inquiry to the Attorney General’s office
>> tomorrow.
>>
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] what was the process for WISPA email lists to get reinstated

[Rory Conaway]

Cool.  Thanks.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what was the process for WISPA email lists to get 
reinstated

i had to call and get them to straighten it out that way.  i had everything 
checked correctly in the web portal but i wasn't getting any messages.  phone 
call fixed it all.

-sean


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:22 PM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Something keeps kicking me out but I went in, checked all my accounts, no 
problem.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37=gmail=g>th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542<tel:(602)%20426-0542>
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

[AFMUG] what was the process for WISPA email lists to get reinstated

[Rory Conaway]

Something keeps kicking me out but I went in, checked all my accounts, no 
problem.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

"Yesterdays Home Runs don't win todays games!"

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Rory Conaway]

I’d still be shocked if it passes either specification and it has an FCC number.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 6:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet


That's a good point but I think they are using some DBII 4.9 certified card.

Keefe

On 3/1/2018 4:57 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
The first problem with this is the system probably isn’t even legal.  Mikrotik 
doesn’t have any certifications in 4.9Ghz, let alone high-power mask.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 2:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

and it never will.   But science and politicians don’t seem to go together very 
well.

Mark



On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Keefe John 
<keefe...@ethoplex.com<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:

There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz Mikrotik's to 
service mobile police cars.  They've been working on it for the better part of 
7 years and have invested over a million dollars into the project.  It still 
doesn't work.
Keefe

On 3/1/2018 2:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us up and 
threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we were supposedly 
interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi to communicate with 
police cars all over town.

Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their jurisdiction - or 
even any 2.4 in use.

Mark



On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."


bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again in the 
future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, and he has no 
intention of actually suing anybody.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw that 
stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of the day, 
the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some sanctions against 
the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for the 
recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get 
to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off though... 
I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if the new guys 
know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to want to go through 
the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.
Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with the stuff 
you have up would be a lot more effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and 
incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the 
people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting to 
see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh caselaw. The 
new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if 
they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble dough in their 
pockets too.

On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien" 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything in this 
country right?

In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs and 
how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business due to 
provable radio interference, may be two totally different situations.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their old 
customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are backed up.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com<

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Rory Conaway]

Not with their equipment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...

[https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]

Virus-free. 
www.avast.com


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz Ceragon 
IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight Path and 
intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G wireless, and 
they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.

That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 that 
won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's anything I 
can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it overseas.  Is there a 
non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?

-Adam

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Rory Conaway]

The first problem with this is the system probably isn’t even legal.  Mikrotik 
doesn’t have any certifications in 4.9Ghz, let alone high-power mask.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 2:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

and it never will.   But science and politicians don’t seem to go together very 
well.

Mark


On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Keefe John 
<keefe...@ethoplex.com<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:

There's a whole county in Wisconsin who's trying to get 4.9 ghz Mikrotik's to 
service mobile police cars.  They've been working on it for the better part of 
7 years and have invested over a million dollars into the project.  It still 
doesn't work.
Keefe

On 3/1/2018 2:05 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department called us up and 
threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we were supposedly 
interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi to communicate with 
police cars all over town.

Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their jurisdiction - or 
even any 2.4 in use.

Mark


On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."


bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening again in the 
future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty threat, and he has no 
intention of actually suing anybody.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh caselaw that 
stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see at the end of the day, 
the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets with some sanctions against 
the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in the industry for the 
recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get 
to a ruling.

where johnny Cochran

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare people off though... 
I assume they'd eventually lose an actual lawsuit, but even if the new guys 
know that, there's a good chance that they're not going to want to go through 
the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.
Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering with the stuff 
you have up would be a lot more effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and 
incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the 
people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting to 
see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh caselaw. The 
new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if 
they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble dough in their 
pockets too.

On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien" 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue anybody for anything in this 
country right?

In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules on unlicensed freqs and 
how a judge might interpret a case for damages due to lost business due to 
provable radio interference, may be two totally different situations.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their old 
customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are backed up.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

all you need to know about this outfit

" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to 
another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also have 
horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an issue. 
(and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Rory Conaway]

They use a lot of Ubiquiti equipment.  Would be very hard to cut them off from 
Amazon for example.  I know they have a large inventory of M series radios 
because our guys have taken them off the roof.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I'd like to see the vendors decide that it's not in their interest to continue 
to do business with them due to the possible liabilities...

On 03/01/2018 09:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."
> 
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
> On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this from happening 
>> again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an empty 
>> threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like caselaw, fresh
>> caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to see
>> at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams
>> assets with some sanctions against the attorneys office. We should
>> do a gofundme in the industry for the recipients to afford the
>> litigation, no settlement, no dismissal, make it get to a ruling.
>>
>> where johnny Cochran
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard
>> <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder how often this kind of thing works to just scare
>> people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual
>> lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's a good
>> chance that they're not going to want to go through the whole
>> mess of getting sued, and just try to keep out of their way.
>>
>> Personally, I think asking nicely to try to avoid interfering
>> with the stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>> Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about
>> willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc
>> talk os what theyre probably expecting the people to focus
>> on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
>> to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to
>> get fresh caselaw. The new operators in the area may
>> suffer a bit if injunctions are in play, but if they
>> weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and trouble
>> dough in their pockets too.
>> On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien"
>> <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>>
>> They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can sue
>> anybody for anything in this country right?
>> In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC rules
>> on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might interpret a
>> case for damages due to lost business due to provable
>> radio interference, may be two totally different
>> situations.
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza
>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop you.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"
>> <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we
>> can’t install over their old customers fast
>> enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times
>> what we are backed up.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
>>   

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Rory Conaway]

We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their old 
customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are backed up.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

all you need to know about this outfit

" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to 
another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also have 
horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an issue. 
(and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my opinion, Greg 
does not take the responsibility of owning a business and providing quality 
seriously.
Follow up note:
When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated equipment 
that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I explained to him 
that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead of finding a 
solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than happy to return 
their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their abusive employees."

https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city

not that BBB is legit, but there is this 
https://www.bbb.org/phoenix/business-reviews/internet-providers/airebeam-broadband-in-arizona-city-az-133070/reviews-and-complaints

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.

wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of cause its 
too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of dumb in the 
judiciary

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:


Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing.  
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542<tel:(602)%20426-0542>
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Rory Conaway]

We do but who knows, maybe Simon is right.  I think a cease and desist letter 
from a couple manufacturers and WISPS is in order.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

We all know 5ghz is unlicensed and there's nothing they can do about it.

Ignore the letter and deploy where you want. Just don't purposefully go on the 
same channel they're on when you can scan and pick a clean channel if available.

The letter is a scare tactic and nothing more.

On Feb 28, 2018 9:39 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:


Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing.  
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542<tel:(602)%20426-0542>
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

[AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

[Rory Conaway]

I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get ahead of this 
quickly so it doesn't spread to every law office that thinks they are going to 
make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in Arizona got these 
today.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

"Yesterdays Home Runs don't win todays games!"

Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's

[Rory Conaway]

I just bought one off eBay.  I’d check there first if price sensitive.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's

Why do you need a PC specifically?  
http://copperhilltech.com/blog/raspberry-pi-proven-to-withstand-extended-temperature-range/
Lanner does industrial PCs. http://www.lannerinc.com/other/products-page

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
Are there any suggestions for a PC that can live in a box on the side of the 
road?  It could be 1U, or DIN, or other small form factorI'm not picky.
The box would be heated and ventilated, but not air conditioned.  The workload 
for the PC would be light, I just need it to be small, reliable, and not 
require air conditioning.

I can Google this of course, and have done so.  I'm just wondering if someone 
has a favorite thing that they know and love already.

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa c5c 80MHz channel ptp

[Rory Conaway]

Yes.  It will peak out higher than that but no problems.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 11:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa c5c 80MHz channel ptp

500 Mbps real world IP traffic, mostly flowing one direction?

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:16 PM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Usually I run B5-Lites for these and it’s about 680Mbps.Got one that runs 
up to 500Mbps every night in just that scenario right now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa c5c 80MHz channel ptp

Anyone have real world IP speed tests they could share from a short distance, 
strong signal c5c link, in an 80MHz channel?

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

[Rory Conaway]

Matt just emailed me and said that the way Viva was set up was fine.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are 
transporting to one of use via VPN?

I think the chance is low.
Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?

When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN 
method.

How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to 
you.

Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?

From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your 
customers and you won’t make anything.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

That's how technology is.

Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to 
find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange
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The Brothers WISP
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From: "Clint Wiley" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to 
choose the wrong technology/solution.
Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet


On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
The statement of the week...


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
The Brothers WISP
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]




From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
Maybe. Time will tell.

On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same 
lineup.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

[Rory Conaway]

I meant to check on that.  I'm pretty sure the content is home-runned in the 
U.S..  The parent company is from the Phillipines.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

I’m pretty sure bringing US content that was destined for the Philippines back 
into the US is not legal. 

> On Feb 23, 2018, at 23:12, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> 
> We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with 
> commissions.
> 
> Rory
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are 
> any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? 
> Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either 
> provider? 
> 
> Thanks,
> _
> Clint Wiley
> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa c5c 80MHz channel ptp

[Rory Conaway]

Usually I run B5-Lites for these and it’s about 680Mbps.Got one that runs 
up to 500Mbps every night in just that scenario right now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa c5c 80MHz channel ptp

Anyone have real world IP speed tests they could share from a short distance, 
strong signal c5c link, in an 80MHz channel?

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

[Rory Conaway]

We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with 
commissions.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

Hi,

I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are 
any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can 
any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? 

Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Rory Conaway]

I would do all the shots less than 7 miles in 18GHz if you can’t get 11GHz.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

For the shorter(4-5 mile) links you could do something like the Siklu EX2500 
with 2' antennas and a hot fall over (This is a licensed feature but its cheap) 
 They also have an antenna with integrated 5GHz so if you were doing the backup 
in 5GHz you could do it all on one antenna.  The backup radio plugs into the 
Siklu and it does the fall over for you so you don't need to do that in routing 
etc.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's going 
to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the existing 1 
gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably doesn't really 
need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then it can be done a 
lot cheaper, and with a lot less spectrum. An 11ghz radio on a single 80mhz 
channel can do over 600Mbps, and can be had relatively cheap.
The cheapest way to get something that's close enough to a gig that won't 
matter to most people would be using B11's, but that's not full duplex, and it 
would burn up a LOT of spectrum... actually, I'm not sure if it would even be 
possible to run 4 B11 links that close to the same direction, even if the 
entire band is completely clear...

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
so.. here is how things will break down for you 

to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be 
looking at roughly $15k / link
 ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to 
$15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new 
radios).

Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you have a few 
more options
which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link

Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is needed.

Best of luck.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>
To: "Animal Farm" >
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
Not familiar with this productwill download specs
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" 
> wrote:
Bang it out with PTP820C ring
Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into the ODU 
if you go all outdoor.
They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.


On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I wonder 
if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring 
topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a 
redundant setup.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy 
> wrote:
I would assume that you can add a fourth location...

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy 
> wrote:
CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three 
locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they can 
get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together on a 
VLAN.
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from 
CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) 
from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored 
antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 
1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to 
provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what you guys would recommend?  I know 
it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they 
have good budget , dazzle me with your suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

[Rory Conaway]

Do you actually see that in the real world or is that theoretical capacity?  
Also, what is the maximum speed of the client radios?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

I have an aggregate capacity of 400 mbps+ on a single 450 Medusa sector
using 40 mhz channelsŠ

On 2/13/18, 11:26 AM, "Af on behalf of Rory Conaway" <af-boun...@afmug.com



Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D3A4D9.08879C80]
on behalf of r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

>You will be waiting several months or more for multi-user LTU, same as
>other products still coming out.
>
>We always looks at ROI.  Except for 1 rare case that we bought 900Mhz
>450's for, and even then my ROI is well over 16 months or more, starting
>from scratch makes the 450 a challenge for profitability.  I'm also not
>convinced that the 450 will keep up with the rest of the industry in
>terms of capacity without much more investment whereas 802.11 products
>are cheap to upgrade.
>
>As for capacity, not starting with 802.11ac is DOA.  New 802.11ac
>chipsets are already pushing on 1024QAM and some other amazing features
>that will change how we deploy on towers.  RF Elements horns have already
>done that.
>
>For example, you can run 12 Ubiquiti Prisms with 12 horns, each covering
>30-40 degrees (overlap and minimizing the dropoff) for less than $5K.
>Even if you use 50/50 on GPS, you are still talking about at least
>1.2Gbps of download capacity (40MHz channels, 200Mbps per customer
>average).  Need more, RF Elements is shipping an even more narrow horn to
>double that.  What's even more amazing is that the need for GPS goes down
>significantly depending on how you deploy the horns meaning even more
>capacity.
>
>We have found that deploying Mimosa with 2 antennas covering 60-120
>degrees or Ubiquiti covering 30 degrees per AP in the directions we
>needed, meant we didn't have to cover 360 degrees.  If we added users
>that weren't in the pattern, we just added more APs or in the case of
>Mimosa, swapped out the antenna with more narrow patterns and added more
>APs to expand coverage .  A single user pays for a Ubiquiti/Horn AP in
>the first 8 months and 2 users Mimosa.   I understand this doesn't work
>well for tower deployments with outsourced climbers or with towers that
>are billed by cable pulls, antenna square footage, number of APs, etc...
>which is also why we rarely use towers.  I'd rather find a few lower
>locations that have easy access than a single tower but that's not always
>realistic.
>
>Rory
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:59 AM
>To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
>At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Should soon
>arrive at US Beta store. An airfiber class radio mounted to horns may
>give a real boost. There would be a lot capacity even using them at
>smaller Channels. They will use power below 10W and will be much cheaper
>than 450m so you could install a 360 degree cluster which you might
>densify at the direction where most customers live. Using an EP-S16 you
>could aggregate them to 10GE and feed them with a Licensed gear right up
>there. You only need to bring 48V DC up to the tower.
>
>
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 09:34
>> An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>>
>> I agree, it makes sense if you already have a cambium network on 450.
>>
>> For greenfield? Probably not.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:42 AM, George Skorup
>> <george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
>> > One 450m = two 450i in cost (roughly), but delivers 3-4x the
>> > throughput based on real-world results. Yes, it *can* talk to 7 SMs
>> > in the
>> same frame.
>> > But even Cambium said 3-4 is realistic. Maybe 5 in the right
>> > conditions. And you don't have to visit a single customer site. And
>> > instead of pointing 3x 20MHz channels the same direction, you need
>> > only one. Plus there's 30 and 40MHz support. Like Sean said, just
>> > another
>> tool in the toolbox.
>> >
>> > On 2/13/2018 1:26 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I was saying one direction IS 90 degrees in the "st

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

[Rory Conaway]

So far, all of it.  We don’t have to worry about reusing frequencies with this 
kind of deployment.  We have such a dynamic and high-interference environment 
with competitors moving stuff around all the time, there is no channel we can 
use that may not have interference within 24 hours, hence the more narrow beam 
patterns.  We also have so many new customers going in that things that  
topologies are changing drastically.  We have migrated many APs to 40MHz as we 
understand more of where we have to cover and can plan better.  You have to 
take care with distances in DFS directions but that’s pretty much it.

That being said, as we get more APs per location, we are starting to migrate 
towards GPS and with Ubiquiti, 40MHz channels.  With Mimosa, we are moving 
towards 80MHz channels (more customers per AP due to range differences in 
deployment models).  This should set us up for next generation products also.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

How much total frequency are you using with 12 horns deployed at a site?  What 
does your frequency re-use pattern look like?



On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
You will be waiting several months or more for multi-user LTU, same as other 
products still coming out.

We always looks at ROI.  Except for 1 rare case that we bought 900Mhz 450's 
for, and even then my ROI is well over 16 months or more, starting from scratch 
makes the 450 a challenge for profitability.  I'm also not convinced that the 
450 will keep up with the rest of the industry in terms of capacity without 
much more investment whereas 802.11 products are cheap to upgrade.

As for capacity, not starting with 802.11ac is DOA.  New 802.11ac chipsets are 
already pushing on 1024QAM and some other amazing features that will change how 
we deploy on towers.  RF Elements horns have already done that.

For example, you can run 12 Ubiquiti Prisms with 12 horns, each covering 30-40 
degrees (overlap and minimizing the dropoff) for less than $5K.  Even if you 
use 50/50 on GPS, you are still talking about at least 1.2Gbps of download 
capacity (40MHz channels, 200Mbps per customer average).  Need more, RF 
Elements is shipping an even more narrow horn to double that.  What's even more 
amazing is that the need for GPS goes down significantly depending on how you 
deploy the horns meaning even more capacity.

We have found that deploying Mimosa with 2 antennas covering 60-120 degrees or 
Ubiquiti covering 30 degrees per AP in the directions we needed, meant we 
didn't have to cover 360 degrees.  If we added users that weren't in the 
pattern, we just added more APs or in the case of Mimosa, swapped out the 
antenna with more narrow patterns and added more APs to expand coverage .  A 
single user pays for a Ubiquiti/Horn AP in the first 8 months and 2 users 
Mimosa.   I understand this doesn't work well for tower deployments with 
outsourced climbers or with towers that are billed by cable pulls, antenna 
square footage, number of APs, etc...  which is also why we rarely use towers.  
I'd rather find a few lower locations that have easy access than a single tower 
but that's not always realistic.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Should soon 
arrive at US Beta store. An airfiber class radio mounted to horns may give a 
real boost. There would be a lot capacity even using them at smaller Channels. 
They will use power below 10W and will be much cheaper than 450m so you could 
install a 360 degree cluster which you might densify at the direction where 
most customers live. Using an EP-S16 you could aggregate them to 10GE and feed 
them with a Licensed gear right up there. You only need to bring 48V DC up to 
the tower.


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] Im Auftrag 
> von Josh Reynolds
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 09:34
> An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> I agree, it makes sense if you already have a cambium network on 450.
>
> For greenfield? Probably not.
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:42 AM, George Skorup
> <george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
> > One 450m = two 450i in cost (roughly), but delivers 3-4x the
> > throughput based on real-world results. Yes, it *can* talk to 7 SMs
> > in the
> same frame.
> > But even Cambium said 3-4 is realistic. Maybe 5 in the right
> >

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

[Rory Conaway]

You will be waiting several months or more for multi-user LTU, same as other 
products still coming out.

We always looks at ROI.  Except for 1 rare case that we bought 900Mhz 450's 
for, and even then my ROI is well over 16 months or more, starting from scratch 
makes the 450 a challenge for profitability.  I'm also not convinced that the 
450 will keep up with the rest of the industry in terms of capacity without 
much more investment whereas 802.11 products are cheap to upgrade.

As for capacity, not starting with 802.11ac is DOA.  New 802.11ac chipsets are 
already pushing on 1024QAM and some other amazing features that will change how 
we deploy on towers.  RF Elements horns have already done that.

For example, you can run 12 Ubiquiti Prisms with 12 horns, each covering 30-40 
degrees (overlap and minimizing the dropoff) for less than $5K.  Even if you 
use 50/50 on GPS, you are still talking about at least 1.2Gbps of download 
capacity (40MHz channels, 200Mbps per customer average).  Need more, RF 
Elements is shipping an even more narrow horn to double that.  What's even more 
amazing is that the need for GPS goes down significantly depending on how you 
deploy the horns meaning even more capacity.  

We have found that deploying Mimosa with 2 antennas covering 60-120 degrees or 
Ubiquiti covering 30 degrees per AP in the directions we needed, meant we 
didn't have to cover 360 degrees.  If we added users that weren't in the 
pattern, we just added more APs or in the case of Mimosa, swapped out the 
antenna with more narrow patterns and added more APs to expand coverage .  A 
single user pays for a Ubiquiti/Horn AP in the first 8 months and 2 users 
Mimosa.   I understand this doesn't work well for tower deployments with 
outsourced climbers or with towers that are billed by cable pulls, antenna 
square footage, number of APs, etc...  which is also why we rarely use towers.  
I'd rather find a few lower locations that have easy access than a single tower 
but that's not always realistic.

Rory   

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Should soon 
arrive at US Beta store. An airfiber class radio mounted to horns may give a 
real boost. There would be a lot capacity even using them at smaller Channels. 
They will use power below 10W and will be much cheaper than 450m so you could 
install a 360 degree cluster which you might densify at the direction where 
most customers live. Using an EP-S16 you could aggregate them to 10GE and feed 
them with a Licensed gear right up there. You only need to bring 48V DC up to 
the tower.


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 09:34
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
> 
> I agree, it makes sense if you already have a cambium network on 450.
> 
> For greenfield? Probably not.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:42 AM, George Skorup 
>  wrote:
> > One 450m = two 450i in cost (roughly), but delivers 3-4x the 
> > throughput based on real-world results. Yes, it *can* talk to 7 SMs 
> > in the
> same frame.
> > But even Cambium said 3-4 is realistic. Maybe 5 in the right 
> > conditions. And you don't have to visit a single customer site. And 
> > instead of pointing 3x 20MHz channels the same direction, you need 
> > only one. Plus there's 30 and 40MHz support. Like Sean said, just 
> > another
> tool in the toolbox.
> >
> > On 2/13/2018 1:26 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >>
> >> I was saying one direction IS 90 degrees in the "standard tower plan"
> >> :)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> how else would you suggest building a tower?!?!
> >>>
> >>> friends don't let friends use omni's ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:15 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> >>> 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  If you do the standard 4xAP so you can do 2 channels and back to 
>  back frequency reuse, 90 degrees is one direction...
> 
>  On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:12 AM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
> >
> > actually you don't want them all in one direction, you want the 
> > clients evenly spread in a 90* swath so that you can take 
> > advantage of the MU-MIMO.
> >
> > we have clients connected out to 8 miles running in 6x (which is 
> > 64qam).
> >
> > it actually saves on tower rent because to do the same thing 
> > with regular
> > 450 APs (which we were prior to deploying the 450m's) you would 
> > need 3 APs each using 20Mhz so 60Mhz total of spectrum used.
> >
> > win, win, win.
> >
> > but i also wouldn't install them at every tower.
> >
> > 2 cents
> >

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

[Rory Conaway]

How much bandwidth do you have to provide to the clients?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

What didn't you like about it? The interface came a long way since the early 
days of EPMP. We've got quite a bit deployed. A lot of people are having weird 
GPS situations come up with the on-board GPS, we have this problem once in a 
while too. Our packetflux sites are rock solid though. That is assuming density 
isn't more then 25 per AP, because then I don't exactly have enough experience 
with it. Most of our APs are sitting right around 25 customers, and according 
to airtime we still have quite a bit of room.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
I separated frequencies to three I found cleanest on AFx5s...On Rockets and 
Powerbeams I choose one frequency and shut off the rest on APs and on 
PowerBeams I only use two...this method has worked well since August of 2017 
when I replaced all the radios on this network and have had to change them 
since.  Two of the WISPs live in Fabens and work with us on issues.  The other 
one from El Paso uses my services once in a while and works with us as well.  
Texas Gas put up allot of 5GHz units around Fabens but still no issues. I used 
larger dishes at Wells and lift stations as well.
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 12, 2018 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
Two AF5x on same tower, One AP on second tower 20 ft away...all other radios 
within 4 mile radius...
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 12, 2018 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
All on the same tower, right?

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in 
Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues...

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp.  He is about 5.5 miles 
from a backbone connection.  I would suggest AF5X to him but he is gonna want 
to use 5 GHz for his wisp I presume.

Can an AF5X and some 5 GHz cambium (or others) access points peacefully coexist 
on a tower?
Very rural area.  Not expecting much interference other than home routers.

Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

[Rory Conaway]

That’s a good summary but I’ve negotiated a slightly high amount for WISPS.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

Basically with Viva you're clearing $3/month as a reseller.  The customer is 
theirs; they do billing and support.  No local channels unless you're in NYC.

Real Choice TV is earning you more like $10/month, and the customer is yours; 
you do billing and support.  You're also not tied to their MSRP price since 
you're doing billing.  If your local market can bear an additional $5/month for 
a given package then you can make $15 instead of $10 (as an example).  If I 
feel their $99 MSRP plan is worth $119 in my area then I could make $30/month 
on that.  You DO get your local channels.  You can white label it for an 
additional one time fee.

Viva has NO barrier to entry.  You email the address on their website and 
they'll have you set up same day.

Real Choice has a significant cost barrier to entry.  It's not ridiculous, but 
you do have to pay something for setup, buy a server from them, and you have to 
peer with their network.

I think if you can afford to get in with Real Choice then you have a better 
product and you will make more money on it.


-- Original Message --
From: "Al Rachide" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/11/2018 7:29:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

Looking at OTTV on TDAmeritrade, it does not look like it will survive 
financially. Is there something there that I am missing? The idea sounds great 
for our area, especially the Latino side of the equation. Does OTTV have a WISP 
re-seller plan? If so, how do we get info on that?
Thanks,
Al Rachide
Eastern Carolina Broadband


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Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

[Rory Conaway]

I have the reseller information.

The DVR feature should be up.  I’ll check.

I’ll also post the information for WISPS to sign up through us tomorrow.

Why do you think they won’t survive?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Al Rachide
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

Looking at OTTV on TDAmeritrade, it does not look like it will survive 
financially. Is there something there that I am missing? The idea sounds great 
for our area, especially the Latino side of the equation. Does OTTV have a WISP 
re-seller plan? If so, how do we get info on that?
Thanks,
Al Rachide
Eastern Carolina Broadband


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Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

[Rory Conaway]

Most of the Android boxes around $25-$40 work with them.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

CTI has a box that's supposed to do everything. Does anyone know if any of the 
WISP-focused IPTV providers work with it?


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To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:06:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment
It doesn’t get local channels.  We have tested a couple of Android devices and 
will probably include an outdoor antenna with customers that get Viva in a 
package deal.

We have a website set up for signing up and tracking all your customers that 
connect.  I’ll have that information out by the middle of next week.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 3:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

Hey Rory Conway:

I talked to Viva Entertainment today.  There's basically no barrier to entry 
and that's good.

The guy told me that network channels (ABC, NBC, FOX) would be from New York 
City.  That wouldn't normally be allowed in the content licensing, so I'm 
wondering if he was mistaken.  Do you get your local network channels on Viva?  
Are they are your actual locals, or are they from another market?

Thanks,
Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

[Rory Conaway]

We are getting ready to do a lot of these and will be using 18GHz.  I’m not 
agreeing with Steve on the Mimosa gear, I’ve got several B11’s up, one as far 
as 50 miles.  If you are limited to 40MHz, then Ubiquiti is more efficient.  If 
you have 80MHz, then Mimosa, at least until Bridgewave comes out with their new 
Navigator.  However, they were a year behind Mimosa so a lot of spectrum was 
used and reserved before that option became available.

11GHz is pretty much hammered in the areas that we are in so 18GHz looks a lot 
more attractive for 5-7 miles for now.

Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 7:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz

Hey guys,

Thanks a ton for the input.  Looks like we got oversold on the distance from 
the link planning tools for 24 GHz.   This conversation has been really 
helpful, although I had to call over 3 different people to help interpret 
Steve’s reply    Once they stopped laughing at this thread and the “tying down 
wires” reply, we got it figured out.

For us, our links are mostly in the 6 mile or a little over 6 mile range.  
Sounds like 11 GHz is the right move.

Much appreciated.

David Coudron


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 11:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24 GHz vs 11 GHz


Our experience has been we get more throughput and more reliability from the 
AF11 than the B11. The B11s always seemed to be choking on high throughput. We 
gave up on them, and the AF11s are easier to license in congested areas anyway.



bp




On 2/10/2018 5:12 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yes, the AF11 can do more throughput on the same spectrum compared to the B11, 
but the B11 can use more spectrum (a lot more, granted), so it can do more 
throughput than the AF11 can. You can get close to a full gig in one direction 
with the B11 (assuming you can license enough spectrum), but you can only get 
around 650Mbps in one direction with the AF11 (it's a real full duplex radio 
though, so aggregate isn't that much different if you need a 50/50 split).

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

What others have said about distance. Short (up to 3 miles or so) 24 GHz. 
Medium (up to 8-9 miles) 18 GHz. Long (up to 20 miles) 11 GHz. Longest 6 GHz.

I disagree with the B11 versus AF11. The AF11 will provide more throughput on 
less spectrum. Probably less expensive too.



bp




On 2/10/2018 2:57 PM, David Coudron wrote:
I know this topic has come up before, but thought I would throw it out again to 
hear additional thoughts as products continue to evolve.�� We have been 
doing primarily 5 GHz backhaul using Mimosa products for the last couple of 
years.�� Their frequency reuse has really helped us, but we are starting to 
see more locations that have lots of noise.�� We�d like to make the jump 
to higher frequencies and are looking at 11 GHz and 24 GHz for that.�� The 
links we need are fairly short, 6-10 miles max, which pushes the limits of the 
24 GHz solutions, but with a very clean line of site we think we are in range 
for the links we are looking at as far as the design tools tell us.�� For 
11 GHz, we would likely stay with the Mimosa product line, we know it pretty 
well and have all the management tools in place for it.�� For 24 GHz we�d 
likely go with the Ubiquiti AF 24 or AF 24 HD.�� We have worked with 
Ubiquiti stuff here and there, and just don�t have much familiarity with any 
other options outside of AirFiber.� Here is where we see the Pros and Cons of 
the two options:
�
Mimosa 11 GHz Pros:

  1.  Licensed, should be clean spectrum for the full term of the license and 
require less babysitting for interference
  2.  Should support longer links, but that isn�t a big consideration for us 
as it looks like everything we will need is under the limits of the HD for sure 
and likely the AF 24 as well
  3.  Little less susceptible to rain fade
�
Cons:

  1.  Have to mess around with the license and there is a cost associated with 
it
  2.  Have to buy the dish separately, and know which to use before applying 
for the license
  3.  Not quite as much throughput (when compared to the AF 24 HD)
  4.  More expensive that the AF 24 (but likely a little less than the HD)
�
�
Ubiquiti AF 24 Pros:

  1.  All in one unit, easy to figure out what to have on hand for all links
  2.  No messing around with licenses, making it much quicker to deploy
  3.  Higher throughput on the HD
�
Cons:

  1.  Unlicensed.� Might fight other noise out there, and even quiet links 
now might have noise later
  2.  Not as familiar with this tool set as we are with Mimosa, although this 
isn�t a big consideration as we have worked with lots of Ubiquiti 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Rory Conaway]

We are currently using Barracuda units.  By the end of next month, we be 
offering that service which will require secondary login for parents to get 
through to unfiltered internet.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

+2
Moral issues entirely aside, the business risk in making yourself no longer a 
neutral carrier of information,but something that has a "clean" internet 
service, is too high. Just wait until some religious zealot sues you because 
their 12 year old discovered a certain video of a boeing engineer and a horse.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

+1.

Agree.

This is a rat hole with no bottom.



bp




On 2/6/2018 6:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:
We're a dumb pipe, not the police, get off my lawn. How about you let people 
live their lives and make their own decisions.
On 2/6/2018 11:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the legislative 
working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).
�
�
�
Some random thoughts.
�
If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.� If you are 
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us 
whether it is porn or online banking.�
�
Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.� Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC
�
The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.� I could send porn via pings 
if I wanted.�
�
What is defined as harmful content?� Medical, artistic, Bible readings?� 
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.�
Language, if so what language?� Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.
�
How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.�
Do we have to police music.� Police Pandora.�
�
There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.
�
Filters can give parents a false sense of security.� Filters are gimmicks.� 
Snake oil.�
But we do offer them.� Not home grown.� They are 3rd party.�
�

Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

[Rory Conaway]

It doesn’t get local channels.  We have tested a couple of Android devices and 
will probably include an outdoor antenna with customers that get Viva in a 
package deal.

We have a website set up for signing up and tracking all your customers that 
connect.  I’ll have that information out by the middle of next week.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 3:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

Hey Rory Conway:

I talked to Viva Entertainment today.  There's basically no barrier to entry 
and that's good.

The guy told me that network channels (ABC, NBC, FOX) would be from New York 
City.  That wouldn't normally be allowed in the content licensing, so I'm 
wondering if he was mistaken.  Do you get your local network channels on Viva?  
Are they are your actual locals, or are they from another market?

Thanks,
Adam

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Rory Conaway]

Many politicians took office when their home TV’s were Black and White.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Again I say not our problem. Stop trying to force us to be the police. We're 
just a dumb pipe. I'm sure someone has countered that before by saying the 
gov't says only clean water can be put in your utility/city provided water 
pipe. There's an obvious physical danger with contaminated water. They say it's 
the same, but it's not the same, because politicians are technologically 
retarded. If anything, they should put this on the content providers. You know, 
the ones that said Net Neutrality was needed so their content can't be blocked.
On 2/7/2018 2:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Well, not really trying to force religious ideas on the population, just 
religious ideals.

The legislation is attempting to force ISPs to offer an in-house filtering 
product.

Hopefully the bigger ISPs will fight it off.  We have an exemption for the 
smaller ISPs.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Escape religious persecution in England to com to America. Establish new Mormon 
religion. Escape religious persecution in all kinds of places to finally settle 
in Missouri and Utah. Attempt to force religious ideas on population.

Fucking. Morons.

On Feb 7, 2018 10:23 AM, > wrote:
Proposed legislation in Utah.

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 9:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Where did this post come from? I need some backstory here.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:07 AM,  > 
wrote:
Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the
legislative working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are
attempting to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us
whether it is porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via
pings if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?????

[Rory Conaway]

With the opportunities we have in front of us and the equipment we can get our 
hands on today and within the next year, now is the time to invest in your 
company.  Much surer bet.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

I'm with you. I would rather put it in my own business. If I am going to gamble 
I'll go to Vegas.
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018, 11:14 AM Andreas Wiatowski 
> wrote:
Everything is too volatile…. Unless you have money to burn or are a gambling 
person, probably better to bet on your own business.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
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From: Af > on behalf of Steve 
Jones >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:11 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

The head of the CFTC, Christopher Giancarlo, and the chairman of the SEC, Jay 
Clayton, are testifying before the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs 
Committee on Tuesday. In prepared testimony, Clayton has identified 
cryptocurrency exchanges as a potential target for future regulation. - WSJ via 
Axios


regulation
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
Litecoin looking pretty cheap right now too
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
Was $5k this morning…

From: Af > on behalf of Kurt 
Fankhauser >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:00 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] Is this a good time to get in Bitcoin ?

Currently trading at $7,100 per bitcoin, thinking this may be a good time to 
get in?



Gino A. Villarini

President

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Falcon heavy

[Rory Conaway]

Hahahaha.  I’m dying to find out if they put any telemetry at all on that bad 
boy and if it will actually turn on.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Falcon heavy

Tesla is now the fastest car in historry

On Feb 6, 2018 4:51 PM, > wrote:
For a contractor that builds parts for them.

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Falcon heavy

For SpaceX?

On 2/6/18 2:38 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
No, he works on the engine side of things.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 
3:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Falcon 
heavy
Is his name one of the 6K names on the doormat?

On 02/06/2018 02:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Great day for spaceflight.� They should have played rocket man when the 
fairing separated and the car became visible.� Great day for my son too who 
has his fingerprints inside the spacecraft.

Re: [AFMUG] Streaming service included

[Rory Conaway]

We are working with Viva Entertainment right now and should have it on our 
website shortly.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:22 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Streaming service included

We are marketing "Netflix free for 1 year with new sign up on 1 year contract". 
We are accomplishing this by buying a Netflix gift card equivalent to 1 year 
standard Netflix service and giving it to the consumer to apply to their own 
Netflix account.

We cannot seem to find any ISP program with Netflix and those at Netflix we've 
talked to don't seem to know of one so it seems to be a back channel 
T-Mobile/Netflix thing.
Jesse DuPont
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
[cid:image001.png@01D39F8B.758FDF70]
On 2/6/18 4:13 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
T-Mobile gives away Netflix.  Sprint gives away Hulu.  Others will likely 
follow.
Has anyone here looked into including a streaming service for their customers?

Re: [AFMUG] Ford Transit Connect versus E150

[Rory Conaway]

How many miles do you have on them?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ford Transit Connect versus E150

I have been running them for about 4 years without issues.

From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 1:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ford Transit Connect versus E150

I had one and got rid of it after 50,000 miles. It just wouldn't go where we 
needed it. It was very small compared to any regular sized van.
I lease my feet from Enterprise and they have millions of vehicles in thier 
fleet. My account manager told me they are seeing failures with transmissions 
at about 60k.

There are lots of good options out there that compare favorably to the E class. 
We choose the Dodge Ram Promaster series but there are others. I think we get 
around 18 to 21. Not great compared to the roughly 25 the connect got. It 
really didn't matter how great the milage was. The clearance was so low and the 
trees so small it just want holding up and couldn't get to the sure we needed 
to get to. If you drive only in the city and highway it would probably be fine. 
Although a small the will cause a flat.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 11:41 PM Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
Is there much data yet?  They're pretty new here, might have to check overseas 
for long-term information.  Better get used to it though, the e-series isn't 
coming back.  I do like the Transits though, would love to trade my E250 for 
one.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:34 PM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
What kind of maintenance issues do you have on the Transit Connects and how 
well do they hold up versus the E-150s?  We have little maintenance although 
gas mileage is 14-17mpg.  I’m worried that the Transit Connects can’t hold up 
to dirt road life like the E-150.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37=gmail=g>th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542<tel:(602)%20426-0542>
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Lease

[Rory Conaway]

Saves cash flow and is an expense instead of a capital purchase.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Vehicle Lease

Lewis mentioned that he leases company vehicles.  What's the scenario where 
you'd rather lease than own a vehicle?

[AFMUG] Ford Transit Connect versus E150

[Rory Conaway]

What kind of maintenance issues do you have on the Transit Connects and how 
well do they hold up versus the E-150s?  We have little maintenance although 
gas mileage is 14-17mpg.  I'm worried that the Transit Connects can't hold up 
to dirt road life like the E-150.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

"Yesterdays Home Runs don't win todays games!"

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE?

[Rory Conaway]

Couple that with Baicells charging more for new features, I’m probably going to 
wait and see what they have.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE?

Code name cnRanger, starting in B41/2.5ghz around Q4. Announced in Vegas.

It sounded like they are going to gut the protocol and use the strengths of the 
wireless layer, so more like a LTE spin, so did not sound like it was going to 
be standards compliant if that matters to you.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
Somebody told me today that Cambium is expected to have an LTE product around 
Q4.
Fake news?

Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

[Rory Conaway]

Yea, that.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 6:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

I took him to mean that there was no explanation other than the change from one 
antenna to another.
-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
<fai...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 1/24/2018 8:15:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

.." we have seen improvements in reflectors that can’t be explained by anything 
else in both high and noise environments."

The explanation is very simple... just look at the physical position of how the 
radio is mounted..
The back side of the radio is pointing to the ground, and the reflector is only 
focusing the energy downwards..
Thus very little is picked up from the back side of the radio and the back side 
of the reflector.. Additionally there are pretty much no side lobes..

It's physics and geometry :)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:00:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
Thanks.  I’ll have to do more testing at specific frequencies to be more 
accurate but so far we have seen improvements in reflectors that can’t be 
explained by anything else in both high and noise environments.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Depends on the design.
If the gains are the same, then go to F/B ratio to decide.
If approx equivalent then check the look of side lobes.

Nothing magic about parabolas.  They are just highly characterized and easy to 
do.
A good patch array can be just as good for some applications.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 10:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

So Chuck, what’s your opinion?  Parabolic or reflector that the manufacturers 
spec out at approximately the same gain?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 8:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Gain of a parabolic reflector:
=10*LOG((0.55*((3.1415*Dia/Lamda)*(3.1415*Dia/Lamda))),10)

.55 is the efficiency factor.  Most of them range between .55 and .60
Diameter is in inches.  Lamda is in inches.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

If you are talking about the 2’ dishes, their gain in 5GHz is the same as the 
KP reflector.  We may test that but honestly, between the price difference 
which is more than $100, the weight, and the complexity, it would have to be 
significantly better and I doubt it is.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

They still work down there, just lose a couple dB. Their better rejection makes 
up for it.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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From: "Rory Cona

Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

[Rory Conaway]

Thanks.  I’ll have to do more testing at specific frequencies to be more 
accurate but so far we have seen improvements in reflectors that can’t be 
explained by anything else in both high and noise environments.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Depends on the design.
If the gains are the same, then go to F/B ratio to decide.
If approx equivalent then check the look of side lobes.

Nothing magic about parabolas.  They are just highly characterized and easy to 
do.
A good patch array can be just as good for some applications.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 10:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

So Chuck, what’s your opinion?  Parabolic or reflector that the manufacturers 
spec out at approximately the same gain?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 8:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Gain of a parabolic reflector:
=10*LOG((0.55*((3.1415*Dia/Lamda)*(3.1415*Dia/Lamda))),10)

.55 is the efficiency factor.  Most of them range between .55 and .60
Diameter is in inches.  Lamda is in inches.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

If you are talking about the 2’ dishes, their gain in 5GHz is the same as the 
KP reflector.  We may test that but honestly, between the price difference 
which is more than $100, the weight, and the complexity, it would have to be 
significantly better and I doubt it is.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

They still work down there, just lose a couple dB. Their better rejection makes 
up for it.


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From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:57:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
Most Jirous antennas aren’t good for under 5.4GHz though.  We started using 
them after being told more than 2 years ago they would have updated nose cones 
shortly.  I’m still waiting.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Jirous makes antennas with good patterns.


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Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

[Rory Conaway]

So Chuck, what’s your opinion?  Parabolic or reflector that the manufacturers 
spec out at approximately the same gain?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 8:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Gain of a parabolic reflector:
=10*LOG((0.55*((3.1415*Dia/Lamda)*(3.1415*Dia/Lamda))),10)

.55 is the efficiency factor.  Most of them range between .55 and .60
Diameter is in inches.  Lamda is in inches.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

If you are talking about the 2’ dishes, their gain in 5GHz is the same as the 
KP reflector.  We may test that but honestly, between the price difference 
which is more than $100, the weight, and the complexity, it would have to be 
significantly better and I doubt it is.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

They still work down there, just lose a couple dB. Their better rejection makes 
up for it.


-
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From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:57:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
Most Jirous antennas aren’t good for under 5.4GHz though.  We started using 
them after being told more than 2 years ago they would have updated nose cones 
shortly.  I’m still waiting.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Jirous makes antennas with good patterns.


-
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From: "David Coudron" 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:04:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven’t used them yet for 
backhaul.   Have you been using them for that as well?   We were worried the 
wider beamwidth would catch too much other noise.  Or maybe that hasn’t been an 
issue?

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP Perform

Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

[Rory Conaway]

If you are talking about the 2’ dishes, their gain in 5GHz is the same as the 
KP reflector.  We may test that but honestly, between the price difference 
which is more than $100, the weight, and the complexity, it would have to be 
significantly better and I doubt it is.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

They still work down there, just lose a couple dB. Their better rejection makes 
up for it.


-
Mike Hammett
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From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:57:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
Most Jirous antennas aren’t good for under 5.4GHz though.  We started using 
them after being told more than 2 years ago they would have updated nose cones 
shortly.  I’m still waiting.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Jirous makes antennas with good patterns.


-
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From: "David Coudron" 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:04:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven’t used them yet for 
backhaul.   Have you been using them for that as well?   We were worried the 
wider beamwidth would catch too much other noise.  Or maybe that hasn’t been an 
issue?

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP Performance 
antennas.  We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish 
for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz.   The have been OK, but we 
have a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time.   We are in 
that situation again.   They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the 
job, however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold 
of.   We have messed around wit

Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

[Rory Conaway]

Most Jirous antennas aren’t good for under 5.4GHz though.  We started using 
them after being told more than 2 years ago they would have updated nose cones 
shortly.  I’m still waiting.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 6:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Jirous makes antennas with good patterns.


-
Mike Hammett
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From: "David Coudron" 
<david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:04:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven’t used them yet for 
backhaul.   Have you been using them for that as well?   We were worried the 
wider beamwidth would catch too much other noise.  Or maybe that hasn’t been an 
issue?

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP Performance 
antennas.  We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish 
for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz.   The have been OK, but we 
have a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time.   We are in 
that situation again.   They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the 
job, however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold 
of.   We have messed around with the Ubiquiti RocketDish for CPE connectorized 
radios, but haven’t tried them out for backhaul as of yet.  The specs appear to 
be very similar and I expect they’d perform about the same other than the 
N-Type vs SMA connectors. Anyone have experience with both of these dishes?   
Or is there a better alternative that we should be looking at in the $120 range 
(dish only)?

Regard,

David Coudron

Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

[Rory Conaway]

Seriously.  Please explain where my conclusion violated physics?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

You can test as much as you like..
simple physics will still stay the same :)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>

____
From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:57:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
We have done a lot more testing than that and I’m probably late to the party 
but yes, they have turned out to be the best so far.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

If you are referring to the KP Performance Reflectors...
YES, Absolutely the best in noise rejection

and if you are wondering why ? just look at the direction the radio's back side 
tends to be when it is properly installed !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:26:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
It hasn’t been an issue.  They seem to reject noise better.  I just posted a 
recent comparison of them versus the PowerBeam 620/Prism on Facebook.  We 
already knew they were better than the AF-23 antenna since we did that test but 
that wasn’t a fair comparison due to the gain difference.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven’t used them yet for 
backhaul.   Have you been using them for that as well?   We were worried the 
wider beamwidth would catch too much other noise.  Or maybe that hasn’t been an 
issue?

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP Performance 
antennas.  We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish 
for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz.   The have been OK, but we 
have a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time.   We are in 
that situation again.   They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the 
job, however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold 
of.   We have messed around with the Ubiquiti RocketDish for CPE connectorized 
radios, but haven’t tried them out for backhaul as of yet.  The specs appear to 
be very similar and I expect they’d perform about the same other than the 
N-Type vs SMA connectors. Anyone have experience with both of these dishes?   
Or is there a better alternative that we should be looking at in the $120 range 
(dish only)?

Regard,

David Coudron

Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

[Rory Conaway]

We have done a lot more testing than that and I’m probably late to the party 
but yes, they have turned out to be the best so far.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

If you are referring to the KP Performance Reflectors...
YES, Absolutely the best in noise rejection

and if you are wondering why ? just look at the direction the radio's back side 
tends to be when it is properly installed !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>

____
From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:26:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30
It hasn’t been an issue.  They seem to reject noise better.  I just posted a 
recent comparison of them versus the PowerBeam 620/Prism on Facebook.  We 
already knew they were better than the AF-23 antenna since we did that test but 
that wasn’t a fair comparison due to the gain difference.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven’t used them yet for 
backhaul.   Have you been using them for that as well?   We were worried the 
wider beamwidth would catch too much other noise.  Or maybe that hasn’t been an 
issue?

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP Performance 
antennas.  We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish 
for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz.   The have been OK, but we 
have a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time.   We are in 
that situation again.   They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the 
job, however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold 
of.   We have messed around with the Ubiquiti RocketDish for CPE connectorized 
radios, but haven’t tried them out for backhaul as of yet.  The specs appear to 
be very similar and I expect they’d perform about the same other than the 
N-Type vs SMA connectors. Anyone have experience with both of these dishes?   
Or is there a better alternative that we should be looking at in the $120 range 
(dish only)?

Regard,

David Coudron

Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

[Rory Conaway]

I eliminate as many variables as possible and considering how much different 
equipment I have to deal with and the time I have to deal with it, I think our 
methodology of Meatball engineering has been pretty solid.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

>> I’ll stand by the conclusion based on our experience.

I am not countering your conclusion based on your experience.
I am suggesting that you look a bit more under the surface to determine the 
coarse parameters which are the actual cause for your experience and 
observation.
(and not just the mere freq /band )

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>

____
From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:40:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
Yea, next time I do a White Paper, I’ll let you know.  The reality is that few 
of us have the time to do a full engineering analysis so we extrapolate from 
the information we have.  I’ll stand by the conclusion based on our experience.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

if you want to understand the science behind it .. here is an excellent paper 
discussing all aspects ...

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

The reason I called your observation anecdotal because a lot of key important 
information is missing from your statement, and there is a lot of 'assumed' / 
presumed information left to the readers imagination.

Let me try to explain it further .. You are comparing to radios of different 
bands, with different TX powers, Different RX Gain Antennas, on two links, 
without any confirmation of your signal levels, rain fade loss, alignment, 
actual modulation drop etc etc etc .. and you are making a statement that 
higher freq is more stable at a shorter link than a lower freq on a longer link 
(which by itself as a general statement would be true, however you are 
expounding it by stretching both freq links to be of a size that will  be 
affected by Rain Fade, regardless).

Now if you were to actually look and understand the science behind it all, you 
will quickly find that your observation is in direct conflict of actual 
science, for the two links your are actually comparing.. Thus leading to a 
logical conclusion that in your observation, there is some other factor (such 
as the ones I mentioned above) must be creating the observed behavior. (and we 
are not even going to into the discussion of 'rain drop size, density, and even 
spread across any particular region).

Thus , I refer to your observation as being anecdotal !  :)

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:51:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
What are you talking about, anecdotal?  I’ll provide more complete information 
for you then.

I’ve got 5 AF24 links in the same area with varying distances from 800’ 
(although that one was replaced with a B5-Lite last year) to 2.47 miles.  The 
only one that goes down is the 2.47 mile link and even then it’s about twice a 
year for about 20 minutes during monsoon season.  I think I have some pretty 
objective data since they are all within 3 miles.  I don’t have a 2.5 mile 
80GHz link in that area so no effort was made to compare.  The 2 mile link on 
this particular 5-hop system has not gone down.  This has been up for 2 years 
so we have 2 summers of monsoon data.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

>> I’ve got an AF24 that will drop at 2.5 miles for about an hour a year.  I’ve 
>> got a 39GHz link at 2 miles that seems pretty solid also


This is exactly the type of anecdotal observations that I made reference to 
earlier :)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 

Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

[Rory Conaway]

It hasn't been an issue.  They seem to reject noise better.  I just posted a 
recent comparison of them versus the PowerBeam 620/Prism on Facebook.  We 
already knew they were better than the AF-23 antenna since we did that test but 
that wasn't a fair comparison due to the gain difference.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

We love the KP Performance antennas for the CPEs, but haven't used them yet for 
backhaul.   Have you been using them for that as well?   We were worried the 
wider beamwidth would catch too much other noise.  Or maybe that hasn't been an 
issue?

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP Performance 
antennas.  We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish 
for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz.   The have been OK, but we 
have a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time.   We are in 
that situation again.   They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the 
job, however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold 
of.   We have messed around with the Ubiquiti RocketDish for CPE connectorized 
radios, but haven't tried them out for backhaul as of yet.  The specs appear to 
be very similar and I expect they'd perform about the same other than the 
N-Type vs SMA connectors. Anyone have experience with both of these dishes?   
Or is there a better alternative that we should be looking at in the $120 range 
(dish only)?

Regard,

David Coudron

Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

[Rory Conaway]

Right now the best antenna we have tested at 30dBi has been the KP Performance 
antennas.  We will be testing the RF Elements antennas next.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless 30 dBi vs RocketDish RD-5G30

We have traditionally been using the Arc Wireless 30 dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish 
for our shorter backhaul links when using 5 GHz.   The have been OK, but we 
have a tough time getting them and the radomes from time to time.   We are in 
that situation again.   They are priced quite competitively, and seem to do the 
job, however we are looking for options since they are so spotty to get ahold 
of.   We have messed around with the Ubiquiti RocketDish for CPE connectorized 
radios, but haven't tried them out for backhaul as of yet.  The specs appear to 
be very similar and I expect they'd perform about the same other than the 
N-Type vs SMA connectors. Anyone have experience with both of these dishes?   
Or is there a better alternative that we should be looking at in the $120 range 
(dish only)?

Regard,

David Coudron

Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

[Rory Conaway]

I was only interested in Southern Arizona and I have the data.  It’s close 
enough for government work and guide our future deployments.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

Technically anecdotal if you don’t have availability/uptime logs over a year or 
so.
Good anecdotal, but not exactly a bunch of data from a bunch of different sites 
scattered over a bunch of climate regions.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

What are you talking about, anecdotal?  I’ll provide more complete information 
for you then.

I’ve got 5 AF24 links in the same area with varying distances from 800’ 
(although that one was replaced with a B5-Lite last year) to 2.47 miles.  The 
only one that goes down is the 2.47 mile link and even then it’s about twice a 
year for about 20 minutes during monsoon season.  I think I have some pretty 
objective data since they are all within 3 miles.  I don’t have a 2.5 mile 
80GHz link in that area so no effort was made to compare.  The 2 mile link on 
this particular 5-hop system has not gone down.  This has been up for 2 years 
so we have 2 summers of monsoon data.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

>> I’ve got an AF24 that will drop at 2.5 miles for about an hour a year.  I’ve 
>> got a 39GHz link at 2 miles that seems pretty solid also


This is exactly the type of anecdotal observations that I made reference to 
earlier :)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>

________
From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:02:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
I’m in Southern Arizona so heavy rain is pretty brief but also why I’m asking 
the question.  I’ve got an AF24 that will drop at 2.5 miles for about an hour a 
year.  I’ve got a 39GHz link at 2 miles that seems pretty solid also but I’m 
open to using that at 3.5 if that has a better chance too.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

Trango's initial 24 GHz radio could do that.


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From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 12:04:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
This is the first I've heard of adaptive channel sizes... I've been looking at 
both Siklu and Bridgewater, and nobody from either company ever mentioned that 
(that doesn't necessarily mean they can't do it though).

On Jan 20, 2018 11:58 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Adaptive channel sizes?



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Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

[Rory Conaway]

What are you talking about, anecdotal?  I’ll provide more complete information 
for you then.

I’ve got 5 AF24 links in the same area with varying distances from 800’ 
(although that one was replaced with a B5-Lite last year) to 2.47 miles.  The 
only one that goes down is the 2.47 mile link and even then it’s about twice a 
year for about 20 minutes during monsoon season.  I think I have some pretty 
objective data since they are all within 3 miles.  I don’t have a 2.5 mile 
80GHz link in that area so no effort was made to compare.  The 2 mile link on 
this particular 5-hop system has not gone down.  This has been up for 2 years 
so we have 2 summers of monsoon data.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

>> I’ve got an AF24 that will drop at 2.5 miles for about an hour a year.  I’ve 
>> got a 39GHz link at 2 miles that seems pretty solid also


This is exactly the type of anecdotal observations that I made reference to 
earlier :)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>

________
From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:02:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
I’m in Southern Arizona so heavy rain is pretty brief but also why I’m asking 
the question.  I’ve got an AF24 that will drop at 2.5 miles for about an hour a 
year.  I’ve got a 39GHz link at 2 miles that seems pretty solid also but I’m 
open to using that at 3.5 if that has a better chance too.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

Trango's initial 24 GHz radio could do that.


-
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From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 12:04:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
This is the first I've heard of adaptive channel sizes... I've been looking at 
both Siklu and Bridgewater, and nobody from either company ever mentioned that 
(that doesn't necessarily mean they can't do it though).

On Jan 20, 2018 11:58 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Adaptive channel sizes?



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Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

[Rory Conaway]

Yea, I’m going to now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

Do the math and you'll know all you need to know.


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From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 1:02:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
I’m in Southern Arizona so heavy rain is pretty brief but also why I’m asking 
the question.  I’ve got an AF24 that will drop at 2.5 miles for about an hour a 
year.  I’ve got a 39GHz link at 2 miles that seems pretty solid also but I’m 
open to using that at 3.5 if that has a better chance too.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

Trango's initial 24 GHz radio could do that.


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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 12:04:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
This is the first I've heard of adaptive channel sizes... I've been looking at 
both Siklu and Bridgewater, and nobody from either company ever mentioned that 
(that doesn't necessarily mean they can't do it though).

On Jan 20, 2018 11:58 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Adaptive channel sizes?



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

[Rory Conaway]

ain and Rx sensitivity.

If all things were exactly the same, then 80ghz would drop before 24ghz in Rain 
event.
But in reality, all things are not the same.. I believe 80ghz one is allowed 
more power, and higher antenna gain.


https://www.e-band.com/index.php?id=86

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dont-fall-siklu-overbuilds-distance-claims-david-theodore


at 3.5miles, one is pushing the limits of both 24gzh as well as 80ghz.. 
Depending on what you are trying to achieve, and the rainzone, you can make 
your choice based on what will perform better normally... cause both of them 
will go out in rain :)

Best of Luck

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:(305)%20663-5518>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:42:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24
I'd guess 24ghz would be slightly better, but either one is going to drop at 
that distance if you ever get heavy rain.

Somebody from Siklu told me at one time, that some of their customers have told 
then that their rainfade is slightly better than an AF24, but slightly worse 
than an AF24HD... how accurate that is, I don't know.

On Jan 19, 2018 6:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I haven’t run the numbers so please save me some time.  Which one has less fade 
margin at 3.5 miles?  I was going to use Siklu with a 2’ antenna.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37<https://maps.google.com/?q=4226+S.+37=gmail=g>th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542<tel:(602)%20426-0542>
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“"Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features 
yet."— Scott Adams

[AFMUG] Quick comparison between 80GHz and AF24

[Rory Conaway]

I haven't run the numbers so please save me some time.  Which one has less fade 
margin at 3.5 miles?  I was going to use Siklu with a 2' antenna.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

""Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features 
yet."- Scott Adams

Re: [AFMUG] competition

[Rory Conaway]

It is a 3G device that usually gets disconnected within 2-3 months.  It also 
doesn't do 24Mbps, he is full of crap.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] competition


Had a customer complaining about speed on a tower.  Not usual - but before we 
could reply (this was on facebook), a former customer replied with these 
comments...

"I got a att hotspot off ebay along with a att unlimited unthrottled sim card 
from drwireless and love it i have used 240 gb this month and het speeds up to 
24 mb download speed."

Our 2.4 can barely deliver 10 meg.EPMP can do a little more than that, but 
I know even the new 900 mhz or so can hold up to that
now i googled the whole drwireless and it appears to be an illegal hardware 
hack or somethingnot all that reliable.so although this guy is happy 
now maybe he won't be eventually

we have seen a higher volume of departures to competiting products like this.  
it might even force a redesign of some of our pricing.

anyone else seeing this?  What are your thoughts?

[AFMUG] Anybody cover this area

[Rory Conaway]

115 highview drive
Yorkville Illinois 60560

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

"Yesterdays Home Runs don't win todays games!"

[AFMUG] Tales from the Towers - Chapter 64 posted

[Rory Conaway]

http://muniwireless.com/2018/01/09/tales-towers-chapter-64-migrate-migraine/

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

"Yesterdays Home Runs don't win todays games!"

Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

[Rory Conaway]

We have a wholesale agreement with Viva and can set up WISPA members as 
subagents.  We are still working on the packages for our clients but anyone can 
sign up with us now and resell Viva.  There isn't a lot of markup in this 
product, kind of like some of the hardware we sell.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 11:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

Not sure how you can make money on something that the customer can buy retail 
for the same price you pay for it.  Can you explain?

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102<tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102>
[New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/>
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 11:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

You can make a little with them, $4-$8 per month would be a good average but 
you are correct, you can couple it with higher bandwidth packages.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 11:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

This is a bit misleading.  Most of these do not provide all of the Big4, 
particularly in the rural markets.  If your WISP is in LA or NYC yea, maybe you 
get those channels minus certain programming (such as national sporting 
events).  If you are in a rural market, which most WISPs are, these services 
will not provide the channels your customers want to watch.  Also important to 
note.. you can't make any money selling any of these services they just 
ride on your network and your only hope is to sell subs more bandwidth.


Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102<tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20102>
[New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/>
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

[Rory Conaway]

You can make a little with them, $4-$8 per month would be a good average but 
you are correct, you can couple it with higher bandwidth packages.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 11:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

This is a bit misleading.  Most of these do not provide all of the Big4, 
particularly in the rural markets.  If your WISP is in LA or NYC yea, maybe you 
get those channels minus certain programming (such as national sporting 
events).  If you are in a rural market, which most WISPs are, these services 
will not provide the channels your customers want to watch.  Also important to 
note.. you can't make any money selling any of these services they just 
ride on your network and your only hope is to sell subs more bandwidth.


Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

[Rory Conaway]

Yes.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 6:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

I will check them out.  Are they streaming via public internet?

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

This is good but you should add Viva Entertainment also.  We are moving forward 
with that in a few days.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

[Rory Conaway]

This is good but you should add Viva Entertainment also.  We are moving forward 
with that in a few days.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT TV Comparison.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

[Rory Conaway]

The 450M needs 50w?  I thought only the AirFiber needed that much power.   Keep 
in mind that this cable is 23G.  Without running the numbers, I'm pretty sure 
that still works and if it doesn't, Chuck's would.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Yeah but it requires over 50W iirc  vs a UBNT AP 8-10w

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, December 29, 2017 at 12:22 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Isn't the 450m 48v?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Power consumption from the 450M is very different form a UBNT Unifi AP... just 
saying!

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, December 29, 2017 at 12:04 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

If you use 23G Cat-6, you should be fine.  We just connected a Ubiquiti Unifi 
radio at 490' and it's running fine.  We used Primus direct burial cable for 
this run.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 7:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Good Morning,

We have a couple of large towers where we will be installing 450M with fibre.  
To power we, would like to use the CMM5 , but we are unsure if we can power the 
M sufficiently over such a long CAT 5 run.  Does anyone have the answer to 
this? We could see cat5 runs (Shielded and gell filled) of upto 500ft!

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com<http://www.silowireless.com/>
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce


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Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

[Rory Conaway]

Isn't the 450m 48v?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Power consumption from the 450M is very different form a UBNT Unifi AP... just 
saying!

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Rory 
Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, December 29, 2017 at 12:04 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

If you use 23G Cat-6, you should be fine.  We just connected a Ubiquiti Unifi 
radio at 490' and it's running fine.  We used Primus direct burial cable for 
this run.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 7:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Good Morning,

We have a couple of large towers where we will be installing 450M with fibre.  
To power we, would like to use the CMM5 , but we are unsure if we can power the 
M sufficiently over such a long CAT 5 run.  Does anyone have the answer to 
this? We could see cat5 runs (Shielded and gell filled) of upto 500ft!

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com<http://www.silowireless.com/>
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce


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Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

[Rory Conaway]

If you use 23G Cat-6, you should be fine.  We just connected a Ubiquiti Unifi 
radio at 490’ and it’s running fine.  We used Primus direct burial cable for 
this run.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 7:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Good Morning,

We have a couple of large towers where we will be installing 450M with fibre.  
To power we, would like to use the CMM5 , but we are unsure if we can power the 
M sufficiently over such a long CAT 5 run.  Does anyone have the answer to 
this? We could see cat5 runs (Shielded and gell filled) of upto 500ft!

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce


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Re: [AFMUG] DirecTV Now DVR

[Rory Conaway]

Our Viva Entertainment is the same price for a similar package for IP package.  
That must be pretty standard now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 11:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DirecTV Now DVR

Fake News costs extrajust kidding. I think the standard package is $35 and 
includes Fox News, business, sports, and the regular Fox I think.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 12:22 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
How much does DirecTV now cost for a package that includes FoxNews ???

On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

Luckily, I've never heard of most of those. I have heard of Homeland and Better 
Call Saul, but I've never actually watched any of those.



bp




On 12/25/2017 8:25 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
There are a few shows I enjoy enough to pay for:
Gold Rush
Billions
Homeland
Shameless
The Profit
Better Call Saul
Fargo

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 9:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DirecTV Now DVR


We get our TV through (1) DVR+, and (2) Roku.

We control everything with a Harmony remote (it does it all).

Monthly cost is $0, although we do have a Netflix account.

bp




On 12/25/2017 8:16 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I like the Roku.  I guess I can go get the appletv out of my TV room and move 
it to where I do most of my watching.
I hope they spin the Roku version soon.

From: can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] DirecTV Now DVR

So I just accepted the offer to beta test the DirecTV Now DVR feature and 
updated guide.
It doesn't work on Roku but does work on the Apple TV they gave me when I 
signed up.
I don't have time to play with it today but I'll probably schedule some shows 
to record
tomorrow to play with it.

I did test the pause feature and it worked as expected. Pretty excited about it 
since in
my area it includes ABC, CBS and NBC local channels. I've been using DirecTV Now
exclusively for about 4 months now and am pretty happy with it.

Very happy to have cut the cord.

Re: [AFMUG] Nissan Leaf

[Rory Conaway]

Ha, yea.  Notified the AG office consumer affairs to start.  Want to see what 
happens there.

I agree that the batteries should have gotten better.  We lost a cell with the 
24Kwh battery at 25,000 miles after 2 years.  Didn’t expect the 30Kwh battery 
to fail at 8800 miles and 8 months.  In my opinion, that’s defective or Lemon.  
Just need Nissan to let me walk away so I can get a Bolt or maybe a Tesla.  
Won’t buy another Nissan after this unless they really make this right quickly 
and show me something different than what they have so far.

Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nissan Leaf

Put some gas in it... that should do it. :)

Travis
On 12/22/2017 12:31 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
So you gotta lose 1/3rd of the capacity to get it fixed?
Figure out how to fail some more cells

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nissan Leaf

It’s 1/12 of the capacity or about 9 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nissan Leaf

How much capacity is one cell?

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 12:18 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
So how do you know if you lose a cell?

I am on my third leaf.  All of them leases.
There is enough improvement in the technology every two years that I am not 
planning to purchase.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Nissan Leaf

So got our new Leaf with the 2017 30Kw battery and lost a cell by 8800 miles.  
Talked to Nissan and they basically told me to pound sand.  Have to wait for 4 
cells to die before they do anything.  Glad we bought the car for the extended 
mileage over the 24Kw battery and then “it’s gone”.


Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542<tel:%28602%29%20426-0542>
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] Nissan Leaf

[Rory Conaway]

It’s 1/12 of the capacity or about 9 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nissan Leaf

How much capacity is one cell?

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 12:18 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
So how do you know if you lose a cell?

I am on my third leaf.  All of them leases.
There is enough improvement in the technology every two years that I am not 
planning to purchase.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Nissan Leaf

So got our new Leaf with the 2017 30Kw battery and lost a cell by 8800 miles.  
Talked to Nissan and they basically told me to pound sand.  Have to wait for 4 
cells to die before they do anything.  Glad we bought the car for the extended 
mileage over the 24Kw battery and then “it’s gone”.


Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542<tel:(602)%20426-0542>
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

[AFMUG] Nissan Leaf

[Rory Conaway]

So got our new Leaf with the 2017 30Kw battery and lost a cell by 8800 miles.  
Talked to Nissan and they basically told me to pound sand.  Have to wait for 4 
cells to die before they do anything.  Glad we bought the car for the extended 
mileage over the 24Kw battery and then "it's gone".


Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

"Yesterdays Home Runs don't win todays games!"

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Rory Conaway]

Mimosa was the first to market with Wave 2 and Mu-MIMO.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Wave 2, Mu-MIMO, SFP PORT, etc.


-
Mike Hammett
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:29:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
My point is that Ubiquiti is on Gen 2, Mimosa has been out 2 years, both 
companies have horn antenna options either internally or through RF Elements 
which reduces the need for GPS but they both have that option.  Both products 
are already delivering massive improvements over 802.11n and both companies 
have been bringing out firmware upgrades that are going to make it extremely 
difficult to want to add another company to the mix this late in the game.  Now 
you have Ubiquiti testing LTU and who knows what Mimosa will have by then.

It’s good to see Motorola, err, Cambium come out in 802.11ac but if it doesn’t 
walk on water or penetrate buildings, it’s going to be very hard to justify 
adding it to the tool box 3-4 years after the first 802.11ac products came to 
market.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:10 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out Q1 2018 
(I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially going to be 
PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the year.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

WAY better than prism!

-sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
So, better than Prism?

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making Cnmaestro.

It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Rory Conaway]

Local channels are $2-$3 per channel.  Nobody is going to want to add $20 per 
month to their bill but I understand.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

There are zero over the air channels available in our location (mountains of 
CO) so an an antenna isn’t an option for us.

-Sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that.


It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.
As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of functioning 
multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware as Rodeo 
over ePMP.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Rory Conaway]

Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that.

It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.

As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of functioning 
multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware as Rodeo 
over ePMP.



On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Rory Conaway]

My point is that Ubiquiti is on Gen 2, Mimosa has been out 2 years, both 
companies have horn antenna options either internally or through RF Elements 
which reduces the need for GPS but they both have that option.  Both products 
are already delivering massive improvements over 802.11n and both companies 
have been bringing out firmware upgrades that are going to make it extremely 
difficult to want to add another company to the mix this late in the game.  Now 
you have Ubiquiti testing LTU and who knows what Mimosa will have by then.

It’s good to see Motorola, err, Cambium come out in 802.11ac but if it doesn’t 
walk on water or penetrate buildings, it’s going to be very hard to justify 
adding it to the tool box 3-4 years after the first 802.11ac products came to 
market.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:10 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out Q1 2018 
(I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially going to be 
PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the year.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

WAY better than prism!

-sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
So, better than Prism?

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making Cnmaestro.

It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Rory Conaway]

802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

WAY better than prism!

-sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
So, better than Prism?

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making Cnmaestro.

It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Rory Conaway]

It works well.  We couldn’t do much until they finished the backend billing 
system for us but it’s done.  Let me know if there is anything you need.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

What is the deal with Viva?  What can they provide?  How well is it working…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

We are working with Viva Entertainment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Rory Conaway]

Viva doesn’t do local channels unfortunately.  It works pretty well though.  It 
also supports phones and Roku devices as well as any android device.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 12:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

can viva offer the denver local channels?

all we need is the denver broncos and the olympics honestly.  we have a lot of 
potential customers that don't want to switch from comcast because they still 
need them to get their TV.  by offering our own IPTV we can then go after that 
cable market more aggressively.  there is no over the air TV available in our 
area (mountains of CO).

-sean

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We are working with Viva Entertainment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
<ch...@lakenetmi.com<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Rory Conaway]

We are working with Viva Entertainment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

[AFMUG] Internet speed issues

[Rory Conaway]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/18/the_internet_is_really_slow_right_now.html

Had a customer complain about Starz but NetFlix is running fine.

Rory

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: What is latest firmware for Nanobeam to work with ACRocket AP?

[Rory Conaway]

6.13 works fine.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: What is latest firmware for Nanobeam to work with 
ACRocket AP?

We are also still running 6.0.4

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
Thanks!

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 8:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:

most stable to me is 6.0.4 - - there are newer out there but this one is 
working well
ap has to be on "mixed mode".
- Original Message -
From: Jaime Solorza
To: Animal Farm
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:35 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: What is latest firmware for Nanobeam to work with 
ACRocket AP?


Jaime Solorza
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>
Date: Dec 11, 2017 8:25 AM
Subject: What is latest firmware for Nanobeam to work with AC Rocket AP?
To: >
Cc:

We finished our White River Ranch project last week.   They have an existing 
Nanobeam to Nanobeam link from home to work area.   They want to aim those to 
our omni with Rocket AC and make one network, so I am wondering which is latest 
firmware that allows thme to play nice...Thanks
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

[Rory Conaway]

Ahhh, this explains buffets..

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 7:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

Al Franken = injured chicken   LOL


From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:15:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT slightly political

One of my aunts married a guy that had a small factory farm.  He raised fryers. 
 Those chickens you get at KFC.  They were allowed to run around in a very 
large room.  Thousands of them per room, maybe tens of thousands.   He had lots 
of buildings with rooms like that.
There was this tiny conveyer of chicken feed (maybe 3 inches wide) that snaked 
round the room so they were never farther than a dozen steps from food.  I 
think it took 6 or 8 weeks from hatching before they were ready for market.

Toward the end of their existence they would get so heavy they would just park 
and the conveyer and not really move.  I don’t recall
how they got water (this was 50 years ago).

If one got injured somehow, perhaps getting something caught in the conveyer or 
whatever, if there was a single spot of blood, the other chickens would notice 
and in short order peck the injured chicken to death.  Even a dot of red ink 
was enough.  They would pile on and do them in.

I see some parallels.  Humans are chickens sometimes.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Smart Antenna

[Rory Conaway]

Check amazon and ebay also.  Probably a lot cheaper.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 7:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Smart Antenna

http://www.l-com.com/coaxial-rp-sma-plug-to-rp-sma-plug-right-angle-pigtail-19-100-series

On 11/30/2017 11:50 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote:
They only have 1 right angled one and its SMA on one side and RPSMA on the 
other. I need reversed polarity on both sides.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Smart Antenna

Streakwave has right angle rpsma.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 30, 2017 12:09 PM, "Andy Trimmell" 
> wrote:
Anyone sell the replacement pigtails for this antenna? One side is 90 degree 
and other side is straight. RP-SMA

Andy Trimmell
Systems Engineer
PDS Connect
317-831-3000

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

[Rory Conaway]

Our target is that all infrastructure ROI’s within 8 months and all residential 
installations ROI in 4.  There are obviously exceptions but that’s the guiding 
principal.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

Well said.  There's definitely a market for the device.  I just might not be a 
member of that market.


-- Original Message --
From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 11/30/2017 12:53:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

It always comes down to budget and ROI.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

What, you mean you don't want to build carrier-grade five nines infrastructure 
out of USB dongles held in place with a hot-glue gun?

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I've been scared of IgniteNet MetroLinq ever since I saw the pictures of its 
insides.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 11/28/2017 9:00:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

Well, yeah, it depends what all he ends up feeding with it. If it needs more 
than what the current AF24 can handle, I wouldn't go to an AF24HD... An 80ghz 
link wouldn't even cost all that much more, and then it'll be able to handle 
enough bandwidth that you'll probably never have to mess with it again. There 
are also other 24ghz radios that would at least give you the option of smaller 
antennas, if nothing else. But I'd more than likely just use an ignitenet.

On Nov 28, 2017 7:48 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
But can't use the whole gig, so he's looking at AF24HD so he can...  which are 
$6k opposed to $1k and don't have SFPs.

Gig upstream - AF24 - multiple 11 GHz channels\polarities.

If he gets his wish and fixes the 11 GHz 1 gigabit issue, the AF24 is now the 
issue.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP



<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
Yeah, but if I'm understanding right, the AF24 link is already there.

On Nov 28, 2017 7:10 PM, "Chris Wright" 
<ch...@velociter.net<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
Everything works beautifully at 700’. At this distance it’s more about cost 
savings. Don’t waste your time with AF24 when a 60ghz link at 1/3 the cost and 
twice the throughput will fit the bill perfectly.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:59 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

I wouldn't use IgnetNet if I already had the airFibers there... if it's only 
going to be feeding an 11ghz link that's around 700ish meg, the AF24 link will 
handle that perfectly fine, and I see no reason to mess with it.

Ignitenets should work beautifully on a 700ft link, but if I only needed 
700Mbps, I'd rather have airFibers. If it gets to the point where ~700Mbps 
isn't enough, then yes, I'd use IgniteNet.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I'd use IgniteNet over airFiber for 700 feet.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP



From: "Steve Jones" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:28:11 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
We have a phenomenal saf lumina link we get 366 out of. I can 2+0 this to get 
to 732. using the existing 3 and 4 foot antennas

I wouldnt mind seeing a little more of our gigabit upstream connectivity 
utilized here, somewhere along the same price using the same antennas

Im not at all impressed with the mimosa gear, its not full duplex and putting 
that much variable latency into the network bringing our bandwidth into the 
core of our network just see

Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

[Rory Conaway]

It always comes down to budget and ROI.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

What, you mean you don't want to build carrier-grade five nines infrastructure 
out of USB dongles held in place with a hot-glue gun?

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
I've been scared of IgniteNet MetroLinq ever since I saw the pictures of its 
insides.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" >
To: "af" >
Sent: 11/28/2017 9:00:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

Well, yeah, it depends what all he ends up feeding with it. If it needs more 
than what the current AF24 can handle, I wouldn't go to an AF24HD... An 80ghz 
link wouldn't even cost all that much more, and then it'll be able to handle 
enough bandwidth that you'll probably never have to mess with it again. There 
are also other 24ghz radios that would at least give you the option of smaller 
antennas, if nothing else. But I'd more than likely just use an ignitenet.

On Nov 28, 2017 7:48 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
> wrote:
But can't use the whole gig, so he's looking at AF24HD so he can...  which are 
$6k opposed to $1k and don't have SFPs.

Gig upstream - AF24 - multiple 11 GHz channels\polarities.

If he gets his wish and fixes the 11 GHz 1 gigabit issue, the AF24 is now the 
issue.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
Yeah, but if I'm understanding right, the AF24 link is already there.

On Nov 28, 2017 7:10 PM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:
Everything works beautifully at 700’. At this distance it’s more about cost 
savings. Don’t waste your time with AF24 when a 60ghz link at 1/3 the cost and 
twice the throughput will fit the bill perfectly.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 4:59 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish

I wouldn't use IgnetNet if I already had the airFibers there... if it's only 
going to be feeding an 11ghz link that's around 700ish meg, the AF24 link will 
handle that perfectly fine, and I see no reason to mess with it.

Ignitenets should work beautifully on a 700ft link, but if I only needed 
700Mbps, I'd rather have airFibers. If it gets to the point where ~700Mbps 
isn't enough, then yes, I'd use IgniteNet.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
I'd use IgniteNet over airFiber for 700 feet.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP




From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 3:28:11 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 11 mile 11ghz gigabitish
We have a phenomenal saf lumina link we get 366 out of. I can 2+0 this to get 
to 732. using the existing 3 and 4 foot antennas

I wouldnt mind seeing a little more of our gigabit upstream connectivity 
utilized here, somewhere along the same price using the same antennas

Im not at all impressed with the mimosa gear, its not full duplex and putting 
that much variable latency into the network bringing our bandwidth into the 
core of our network just seems like moving backward.

before I give my blessing, for what its worth, to the boss to order the SAF 
gear, I just want to make sure there isnt a better option. Lumina is older and 
nearing EOL im guessing, we have other places the units can be used.

on the same note, we bring this bandwidth up from the fiber by AF24 700 feet, 
so probably should ask about a 24ghz (or anything) short link solution. Im 
assuming af24hd will meet that need

Re: [AFMUG] Inner City WISP In Detroit

[Rory Conaway]

I meant to say SkyPilot and Belair equipment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Inner City WISP In Detroit

It’s gone but it was Powerstations, nanostations, etc..  .  All the stuff we 
upgraded from N radios.  Still have a few of the Picostations left I think. The 
really sad throwing out session was the one was $150,000 worth of SkyPilot 
equipment

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Inner City WISP In Detroit

Rory, what type of gear are you throwing out?

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I just threw out enough to do a few blocks.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 9:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Inner City WISP In Detroit


Interesting video. I've often wondered if we should donate some of our older 
gear to a project like this.

- Original Message -
From: Steve<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>
To: af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:16 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Inner City WISP In Detroit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B0u6nvcTsI

This story looks familiar! I've seen and heard this story a dozen times from 
people at Wispapalooza but in rural settings.  This happening inside a city.  I 
know there are people in Chicago and other cities as well doing this, however 
this is a nice documentary.

--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)